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Monday, November 24, 2014

Casualty in the Cabinet

Obama fires his Secretary of Defense:
Chuck Hagel has been fired as defense secretary. We were critical of his appointment, and opposed his confirmation by the Senate. But let's be clear: Hagel has done what he was asked and what was expected of him at the Pentagon. To the degree he has deviated from the Obama White House line, he's been more right than wrong (e.g., on the threat the Islamic State poses).

So why has he been fired? Because the Obama White House needs a scapegoat. President George W, Bush fired Don Rumsfeld in connection with a change in strategy (the surge) and to bring in someone of independent stature. That's not the case today. President Obama continues to want a Pentagon with weak leadership and little independence. There's therefore no reason to expect the next two years of Obama foreign and defense policy to be any better than the past two.
He's fired an awful lot of generals too, come to think of it. I don't know if there have any bigger purges among the brass since pre-WWII Stalin.

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Blogger Josh November 24, 2014 12:06 PM  

The new SecDef will be much more of a hawk.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie November 24, 2014 12:09 PM  

The ones he didn't fire are on their knees promising to destroy what was an excellent fighting force. It's for the women and children ya-know.

HKC

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 12:20 PM  

The new SecDef will be much more of a hawk.

fauxhawk

Anonymous TLM November 24, 2014 12:21 PM  

O's overlord, Valerie Jarrett, ordered a 2 or 3 star general to fetch her another glass of wine as if he was some lowly waiter a few years ago at a dinner function. I bet their contempt for the military is legion. And that general was a pussy for complying with that spic bitch's order.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 12:25 PM  

If you're an enterprising sort living in NOVA, I think a theme bar featuring lesbian doritos night in Crystal City might be a good venture...

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia November 24, 2014 12:45 PM  

Betcha the new SecDef is either a woman or a vibrant (groid or hispanic)....

Blogger Owen November 24, 2014 12:48 PM  

He will pick someone under-qualified to pick another fight with Congress.

Congress will blink.

Obama will have another under-qualified lackey who dare not oppose him or leak disagreements to the press because he/she will have no clout with the press.

Anonymous bw November 24, 2014 12:51 PM  

We need some of those Stalin before and after pictures where the people around him were "erased".

OpenID spastic0plastic November 24, 2014 1:00 PM  

Will probably choose a woman. Not that he really believes in "the cause" but because fawning females are the only ones who take him seriously

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 1:07 PM  

Hegal followed Obola's orders right down the line, from weakening US military capabilities to purging competent officers to making the Army and Navy into a huge AA program, further gaying up the Air Force, putting pressure on Christian chaplins to toe the line on homogeny, and so forth. It cannot be that he disobeyed Obola, so he must be a sacrifice being tossed out of the sleigh.

But why now? Why does Obola and his inner circle suddenly feel the need to toss the SecDef out of the sleigh? Why didn't his happen in October, in order to try to retain some of the D voters? Or why not early next year, when IS will surely hammer the Iraqi's further into the dirt?

The action and the timing seems odd.

Anonymous DrTorch November 24, 2014 1:07 PM  

The ones he didn't fire are on their knees promising to destroy what was an excellent fighting force. It's for the women and children ya-know.

You must have read this too
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/11/18/air-force-moves-to-open-7-combat-jobs-to-women.html

If you're an enterprising sort living in NOVA, I think a theme bar featuring lesbian doritos night

Hmmm, I've been looking for the right opportunity

Blogger Tom Kratman November 24, 2014 1:09 PM  

Paraphrasing Wellington who was paraphrasing someone else, when the enemy sees the name of Hagel's replacement, I can only hope he trembles, as I will.

Blogger Chiva November 24, 2014 1:15 PM  

The question would be are they trembling in fear or in laughter. I am thinking the later.

Blogger YIH November 24, 2014 1:21 PM  

bw:
We need some of those Stalin before and after pictures where the people around him were "erased".

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 1:21 PM  

OT-Naomi "muh poozy"Wolf is a tinfoil hatter

Blogger Tom Kratman November 24, 2014 1:23 PM  

Ah, but that's not what I'll be hoping for.

Anonymous Red November 24, 2014 1:24 PM  

Hagel was against bombing Syria. Welcome to Obama's next war.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 1:29 PM  

Was it Wellington who once described his troops as the biggest collection of thieves, murderers, and pickpockets that Europe hade ver seen ("but Lord could they fight!")?

Anonymous 11B November 24, 2014 1:30 PM  

The new SecDef will be much more of a hawk.

He will definitely be much more friendly of the neocon worldview. Remember the GOPers in the Senate tried to block Hagel, a republican, in the first place because he was not sufficiently behind their war plans with Iran. Now that the GOP has control of the Senate, they are going to get a SecDef that is more in line with their views. They will probably shutdown the government, if necessary, to get a SecDef to their liking.

Of course they would never put up a fight like that over immigration.

Anonymous Rolf November 24, 2014 1:33 PM  

Hagel has been over his head for decades. Nothing new there. He's been a useful tool for Obama, now it's time to toss him under the bus in order to embroil congress in another confirmation fight, which will distract the media from all the other fiascos going on ("SQUIREL!!!") and attempt to embarrass the Rs. They will fall right into his trap I'm sure.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 24, 2014 1:33 PM  

Hagel was one of the two thing Obama has gotten right. The peace overtures with Iran being the other.The media and the NeoCons hate Hagel because he dared proclaim he was an American Senator not a rep for Israel.

As for firing flag officers, we are still way overstaffed in the top ranks, especially compared to the WWII make up of the top ranks. We need to fire a bunch more General officers.

Blogger IM2L844 November 24, 2014 1:47 PM  

But why now? Why does Obola and his inner circle suddenly feel the need to toss the SecDef out of the sleigh? Why didn't his happen in October, in order to try to retain some of the D voters? Or why not early next year, when IS will surely hammer the Iraqi's further into the dirt?

The action and the timing seems odd.


Let's look at the big picture. Within the last couple of days we've heard lots of buzz about Obama's signing statement on immigration policy, 30,000 Lois Lerner emails found, Ferguson Grand Jury's forthcoming decision...and practically nothing about yet another extension given to Iran on it's nuclear program. Now, let's put this in perspective. Think about it. We've been talking with Iran about this this for 12 years and they started with a 70-80 year advantage of advances in technology, science and engineering over what the United States had to work with back in the 1930s-1940s. This is newsworthy crap, people.

Not that this Hagel development is necessarily indicative by itself, but I used to be skeptical of and even poked subtle lighthearted fun at Vox's 2033 time frame. This just reminds me that things I once thought were farfetched are rapidly looking more plausible. I thought for sure we could squeeze another 50-60 years in before TSHTF. Now, considering the aggregate circumstances, I'm not so sure.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 1:52 PM  

I thought for sure we could squeeze another 50-60 years in before TSHTF. Now, considering the aggregate circumstances, I'm not so sure.

There is a reason that TPTB are so desperate to disarm the American people recently. The smarter leftists see it coming too. And they can count.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 24, 2014 1:54 PM  

I'm still personally skeptical of a break up. My money is on a period of unrest, maybe even a quasi-civil war of sorts, followed by strongmen in similar to the early Roman Empire. If there is the kind of collapse that everyone talks about, I do not see how the US, with it's very large and expansive military, goes from conquest lite to full blown bomb and pillage.

Anonymous ? November 24, 2014 1:55 PM  

Hegal followed Obola's orders right down the line, from weakening US military capabilities to purging competent officers to making the Army and Navy into a huge AA program, further gaying up the Air Force, putting pressure on Christian chaplins to toe the line on homogeny, and so forth. It cannot be that he disobeyed Obola, so he must be a sacrifice being tossed out of the sleigh.

But why now? Why does Obola and his inner circle suddenly feel the need to toss the SecDef out of the sleigh? Why didn't his happen in October, in order to try to retain some of the D voters? Or why not early next year, when IS will surely hammer the Iraqi's further into the dirt?


I kinda felt the same way about Bush firing Rumsfeld in 2006.

Rummy did what he was told, no matter how stupid. And then they got rid of him AFTER the election when doing so beforehand might have mitigated the electoral spanking.

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Blogger YIH November 24, 2014 2:23 PM  

OT: Heads up St. Louis, the balloon is about to go up.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother November 24, 2014 2:35 PM  

Keep off the streets tonight for sure. If you live in a city. Otherwise, look at the stars, listen to the sounds of nature, and get a good night's sleep.

Anonymous Trimegistus November 24, 2014 3:12 PM  

You don't get rid of a cabinet member before an election. Doing so means you weren't being super-perfect and smart. No, it's all smiles and handshakes and fawning coverage until the last "missing ballot" is printed out. Then you axe the people you don't want.

Blogger Danby November 24, 2014 3:16 PM  

"But why now? Why does Obola and his inner circle suddenly feel the need to toss the SecDef out of the sleigh? Why didn't his happen in October, in order to try to retain some of the D voters? Or why not early next year, when IS will surely hammer the Iraqi's further into the dirt? "

On Friday, Iran let it be known to the press that rhe nuclear limitation talks with the US had failed,and would be extended for 7 months. Literally 10 minutes later the rumor of Hagel's departure was deployed to the NYT, The POTUS press conference where he officially announced Hael's departure was this morning at 10:10. Kerry's presser about the Iran talks was at 10:30.

Which one are we talking about?

Squirrel successfully deployed.

Anonymous Musashi November 24, 2014 3:25 PM  

Mr. Magoo being shown the door is no great loss.

Anonymous Oblivious November 24, 2014 3:44 PM  

Ferguson cop... guilty.

Anonymous DavidK November 24, 2014 3:47 PM  

I kinda felt the same way about Bush firing Rumsfeld in 2006.

Rummy did what he was told, no matter how stupid. And then they got rid of him AFTER the election when doing so beforehand might have mitigated the electoral spanking.


What I heard was that spanking woke Bush up a little bit and pissed him off to the point that he wanted someone punished for all the failures. Cheney could normally talk Bush out of things and Rumsfeld was Cheney's man, but that time Bush was so mad that Cheney had to give in and Rumsfeld got canned.

That didn't stop Cheney from laying on the praise thick even as Rumsfeld was let go.

Blogger njartist November 24, 2014 3:47 PM  

No indictment - if Gateway Pundit is to be believed.

Blogger CarpeOro November 24, 2014 4:02 PM  

I seem to recall stories that there were a large number of generals that tried to resign when Clinton was elected. They were threatened with various means so that it didn't occur enmasse but was spread across a year or more. Mr Kratman would obviously know more about it, but it did have a ring of authenticity about it.

Blogger Franz Lionheart November 24, 2014 4:05 PM  

Can someone with constitutional procedures knowledge please enlighten me regarding the viability of that move? I was under the impression that cabinet ministers in the US, once appointed by the president and approved by the Senate, would run their resort in their own responsibility. So in that case, the president couldn't just fire them. I was led to believe that this was a key difference to European (parliamentary) democracies. I may be wrong.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 4:13 PM  

They were threatened with various means so that it didn't occur enmasse but was spread across a year or more. Mr Kratman would obviously know more about it, but it did have a ring of authenticity about it.

I personally knew a Marine Major General that resigned and did so specifically because of Clinton and his policies. He hinted to me of his plan and reasons for it in advance and later resigned and gave a public statement about his reasons. There were a number of conveniently timed retirements as well and rumors (as there always are) of encouraged retirements, but I'm not aware of a conspiracy like you describe.

Anonymous Rantor November 24, 2014 4:13 PM  

Franz, sorry, you are wrong. Senior executives in the administration all serve at the pleasure of the President.

Anonymous Anonymous November 24, 2014 4:41 PM  

"bring in somebody of independent stature." ? Srsly?
You remember who you're talking about right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld
Speaking as one who worked in DoD when Bush took office and appointed Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, think back to what they were trying to do before 9/11 eviscerated them.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 24, 2014 4:49 PM  

I saw this one coming for a while.

Obama's White House has become as isolated as the Forbidden City. Obama himself has become as utterly reliant on junior White House staffers as the Dowager Empress was on her court eunuchs.

These staffers are all cut from exactly the same cloth. Young, connected, north east progressives.

Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, never fit in with this crowd. Worse he actually started representing the interests his department. He was more or less publicly disagreeing with Obama. Clearly he had to go.

Here is the big thing. John McCain becomes chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee shortly. Obama's fourth SecDef in five years is going to have to have his approval.

Blogger Franz Lionheart November 24, 2014 5:00 PM  

Thanks Rantor

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 24, 2014 5:04 PM  

I'm not thinking that Overlord Obama is looking for a Neocon, in fact it's more likely he's looking for a compliant Sec Def who will help him strip down the military. I can think of three cases recently where the military bucked the president. He's intent on "hoping and changing" the fuck out of the military but they've resisted. He's been pushing hard for women in all jobs (but mainly the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs) and they've managed to hold off the prez and his funding cuts. The next Sec Def will be a woman with bright ideas and no practical experience... kinda like the Overlord his own self.

Anonymous Gregory Bender November 24, 2014 5:04 PM  

This was done so they could get the next SoD in before the Republicans have the majority come 2015. Pretty smart move.

I would nominate Colin Powell and then announce him as Hilary's running mate in 2016.

Or Obama should do the unexpected, and actually nominate a Democrat to hold the office.







Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 5:11 PM  

John McCain becomes chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee shortly. Obama's fourth SecDef in five years is going to have to have his approval.

So, whoever gets Feinstein's backing then?

Anonymous Dan in Tx November 24, 2014 5:19 PM  

I figured Hagel got tired of his decisions being constantly overridden by Susan Rice and Samantha power so he said to hell with it.

Anonymous Wyrd November 24, 2014 5:23 PM  

Kateesha Mowukuu for the next Secretary of Defense!

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 24, 2014 5:27 PM  

The rumor I heard is that Obama is asking Jim Webb.

Personally I don't think Webb will touch it. He's thinking about his own run for White House.

Admittedly the guys I got that one from are hardly juiced in with the White House, so big grain of salt here.

Blogger Josh November 24, 2014 5:38 PM  

I'm not thinking that Overlord Obama is looking for a Neocon, in fact it's more likely he's looking for a compliant Sec Def who will help him strip down the military.

Hagel was nominated as SecDef to strip down the military.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza November 24, 2014 6:01 PM  

the current administration now and in the past are hollow and so is Hagel. Wasn't John F Kerry doing that gig?

Yeah, sending our youth to death or perm disability stateside.

Boomers will judged of God, I pray for mercy not judgement, itsw just sick that our generation was aborted 30 million strong and then these insane motherfuckers wanna send us to war.

FUCK THEM, THEIR FRAUDULENT GI/EDU BULLSHIT PROGRAM.

Lies, Lies and Lies!

Blogger njartist November 24, 2014 6:26 PM  

@LP 999/Eliza November 24, 2014 6:01 PM
Abject silliness.
In 1973 - the year abortion became legal - the 1947 - the start - cohort was twenty-five years old; the youngest - born 1964 - was ten years old; and do you think no other generation participated in this infanticide, but only boomers? Do the damn math.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein November 24, 2014 7:06 PM  

John McCain becomes chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee shortly. Obama's fourth SecDef in five years is going to have to have his approval.

Oh noes!

Friend of McCain's
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Gird yourselves for the Charge of the Light [in the loafers] Brigade!!!

Blogger Robert What? November 24, 2014 7:22 PM  

Many people believe Obama is firing any top brass who he believes might hesitate if given the order to fire on civilians.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 24, 2014 7:36 PM  

Actually the timing isn't that surprising if you look at what lede the White House wanted to bury.

Today's flavor; the Iran nukes deal fell through...of course but nobody is talking about it.

Blogger Ragin' Dave November 24, 2014 8:41 PM  

Hagel did the job he was brought in to do - gut the military while giving Obama "Republican" cover.

Now that is set in motion, Hagel is expendable. He was a Useful Idiot for Obama, nothing more.

Blogger buzzardist November 24, 2014 10:34 PM  

I've landed in a bit of a debate with a progressive friend who found Robert Reich's take on this "interesting" for all the wrong reasons. Reich's view is laughably naive and utterly flies in the face of history, even elementary WWII history:

Why is Chuck Hagel being canned after having been Defense chief for less than two years? Competence aside, part of the answer is the White House has moved from seeing events in Iraq and Syria through the Vietnam lens to the Nazi Germany lens, and Hagel is still seeing them as Vietnam.

For the last fifty years, American foreign policy has swung between two polar-opposite views: Through the Vietnam lens, we don’t want to be dragged into foreign civil wars that can end up costing tens of thousands of American lives. But through the Nazi Germany lens, we must stop barbarous and aggressive fascist movements before they overwhelm civilization. Obama himself began with Vietnam lenses but he and his advisers view the Islamic State as more like Nazi Germany.

What do you think?



What exactly has Obama done suggesting that he wants to mobilize an entire nation and economy to defeat IS? What remotely suggests that Hagel was restraining Obama from more decisive action? Nothing and nothing.

Even if WWII is Obama's new model, this means Obama is going to dither for several more years while IS takes over most of the Middle East, at which point the U.S. will finally forcefully intervene only after the IS flag waves over Egypt, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, with Israel possibly still holding its borders and Iran playing a wild card in the region. Good grief.

Anonymous Corvinus November 25, 2014 12:03 AM  

Obama himself began with Vietnam lenses but he and his advisers view the Islamic State as more like Nazi Germany.

What do you think?


What exactly has Obama done suggesting that he wants to mobilize an entire nation and economy to defeat IS? What remotely suggests that Hagel was restraining Obama from more decisive action? Nothing and nothing.


@buzzardist
The crucial difference is that, while SJWs like the Obola Administration view fascism as pure evil -- which is why they won't have anything to do with Assad -- they view IS (and Muslims in general, wherever they act up) somewhat like a favored exotic pet tiger that has inexplicably gone on a rampage and started ripping people's heads off, and they don't know what to do.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box November 25, 2014 6:56 AM  

Don't worry, I'm sure the Khazar-Papist cabal has Yet ANOTHER bagel-munching Bol$hevik they want dumBO to install there.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 25, 2014 1:07 PM  

"Can someone with constitutional procedures knowledge please enlighten me regarding the viability of that move? I was under the impression that cabinet ministers in the US, once appointed by the president and approved by the Senate, would run their resort in their own responsibility."

Andrew Johnson fired Edward Stanton as SecWar, of which Thaddeus Stevens, the RadRepublican Speaker, did not approve. The House passed articles of impeachment, and the Senate did not convict (by a margin of one vote). It had been recognized prior, and since, that a member of the cabinet serves at the pleasure of whoever is POTUS.

The fight was actually over the fact that Johnson was a Democrat, not a Republican, and Stevens was looking for any way he could find to Get Johnson out of the WH.

Anonymous Anonymous November 30, 2014 7:07 PM  

Politics, you are right. All of Obamas' buffoonery is designed to usher in our hero, Mitt Romney! BWHHHHAAAA. 10,000,000 of Mitts money says he is going in 2016. It's about time you and your friends and family look into what Mormonism is all about. (Never mind the same doctrine that ISIS seems to follow.) These people aren't Godly. They are anit-God. They've been preparing this chaos for years.

Go check out the Denver Airport and look at their evil depictions of sheer evil against children of the world. Look at the statue of the emaciated blue horse with throbbing red veins around the anus. What does that tell you? Hope for the future???? You are that dumb!!! They got a Masonic symbol in stone right there too. They at the highest levels, are the largest murderers. This culling does NOT distinguish who is on the left or the right. They only care about the largest resource, slave, landholders and DNA. The rest of us will be sorted out through a conveyor belt type set-up and sorted out according to our specifications. It's gross and hideous, but it is coming true and spitting us in our faces 24/7. Face the damn facts. Start concentrating on collecting the staples to survive once they bust our ass. Food. Water. etc.

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