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Friday, November 28, 2014

Is this a satire too?

I invite the reader to compare the difference in the amount of effort McRapey has put in over the years in repeatedly denouncing me for what he imagines to be my White Supremacy, Dudebroism, Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, and general Dipshittery with his observed reluctance to similarly denounce his friend Jian Gomeshi, upon whose Canadian radio show he appeared to discuss my imaginary crimes:

The Toronto Police Sex Crimes Unit was rather less reticent:
On Friday, October 31, 2014, Toronto Police Service Sex Crimes started an investigation into several allegations of sexual assault. On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Jian Ghomeshi, 47, of Toronto, surrendered to police. He was charged with:

1) four counts of Sexual Assault

2) Overcome Resistance - Choking

He is scheduled to appear in court early this afternoon. We will notify the media of the court location well in advance of the appearance. 
Now, John Scalzi is a self-admitted rapist ("I’m a rapist. I’m one of those men who likes to force myself on women without their consent or desire and then batter them sexually.") so perhaps that might explain his reluctance to repeatedly and vociferously denounce an actual sex assailant. Again. One can observe that the list of sex criminals with whom he is known to be associated has grown rapidly in the last year:
  • Samuel Delany, SFWA Grand Master
  • Marion Zimmer Bradley, SFWA
  • Ed Kramer, SFWA
  • Jian Gomeshi
There will almost surely be more in the months and years to come. My money would be on a Jim Hines-related scandal, as he not only looks creepy, but has a passion for rape-counseling that strikes me as suspiciously akin to the single, forty-something Assistant Scoutmaster who loves nothing more than to take young boys camping. Perhaps it is merely a case of infelicitous physiognomy, but you have to admit, Hines looks like Central Casting's idea of a sexual offender. (Seriously, McCreepy, you absolutely need a new PR shot. About the only thing that would make it more damning would be books by Nabokov, Breen, and MZB on the bookshelf behind you.)  Nor can one excuse McRapey on the grounds of "guilt by association" because guilt by association with me is something to which he has repeatedly appealed in attempting to tar Larry Correia and others.

So, is this "satire" again or simply sweet irony?

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70 Comments:

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 28, 2014 5:37 AM  

FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

Anonymous Giuseppe November 28, 2014 5:37 AM  

I admittely am very new at having any idea of the mysterious ways of God, but it smells of Divine Truth to me. Or karmic consequence for the "New-Agey". And I find Divine Truth often has an exquisite flavour of justice to it.

Anonymous kh123 November 28, 2014 5:38 AM  

Amazed there aren't a few samples from The Shining near the end.

Blogger totenhenchen November 28, 2014 6:08 AM  

RE: McCreepy's photo...

Many years ago I accepted that male pattern baldness was my fate and began shaving my head twice a week. I'm a large man with tattoos and a couple of piercings and I'd much rather look like an outlaw biker than a pederast high school guidance counselor.

Blogger Tommy Hass November 28, 2014 6:42 AM  

Not sure if to mock this guy or be horrified at how Orwellian this is...

Blogger Tommy Hass November 28, 2014 6:43 AM  

"suspiciously akin to the single, forty-something Assistant Scoutmaster who loves nothing more than to take young boys camping."

Sorry for my ignorance, but does it make a difference if the Scoutmaster is 40+ or single? Would a 25 year old scoutmaster be less likely to be a pederast and if so, why?

Anonymous MendoScot November 28, 2014 6:59 AM  

Sorry for my ignorance, but does it make a difference if the Scoutmaster is 40+ or single?

Barring some physical or psychic deformity, if he likes being around children why is he still single at 40?

I have to say, Vox, that I originally thought that you were over-reaching with McRapey. Now it's looking more like frighteningly prescient.

Anonymous VD November 28, 2014 7:26 AM  

does it make a difference if the Scoutmaster is 40+ or single?

Yes, because it is much less common for a man to be married at 25 than 40+. A married man spending time with his son is much less inherently dubious than a 40+ single man who makes it a priority to spend with young boys. Most normal adult men find boys who are not their sons to be annoying and spend as little time with them as possible.

There are some saints with a genuine calling, of course, but they are, by definition, not normal.

I originally thought that you were over-reaching with McRapey. Now it's looking more like frighteningly prescient.

Remember, I'm an optimist. Things are usually worse than I think they are. At this point, nothing would surprise me on that front.

Anonymous :-) November 28, 2014 7:33 AM  

Why the scary photo Vox? Halloween has been over for a month.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 28, 2014 7:57 AM  

"I’m a rapist. I’m one of those men who likes to force myself on women without their consent or desire and then batter them sexually."

I honestly doubt if his wife would notice.

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 28, 2014 8:00 AM  

Considering that in 2009, 31 percent of men aged 45 to never married, this is a rather sizable group.

Anonymous Smokey November 28, 2014 8:00 AM  

Of course Scalzi has something sinister to hide. He's an SJW. Screeching, twisted "moralists" like him always have two dozen or more skeletons in their closet that they are desperate nobody find out about.

It's why I wasn't in the slightest bit surprised about Ghomeshi. It's not a matter of if, merely of what.

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 28, 2014 8:02 AM  

that should be "45 to 63". Sorry

Anonymous BB753 November 28, 2014 8:11 AM  

Now, this is creepy:

http://www.jimchines.com/cover-posing/

Blogger FALPhil November 28, 2014 8:18 AM  

Jeigh Di wrote:

Considering that in 2009, 31 percent of men aged 45 to never married, this is a rather sizable group.


Till you take away all the men in that age group that aren't involved in scouting, and then it is a minuscule, statistically insignificant number. That's why it is a red flag.

Stay focused.

Blogger Hd Hammer November 28, 2014 8:23 AM  

VD: "So, is this "satire" again or simply sweet irony?"

The chickens coming home to roost?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2014 8:29 AM  

Those denunciations are empty rhetorical devices, hell most of the cult couldn't define them with any degree of intellectual vigor. They usually depend on the conservative to legitimize and define them.

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 28, 2014 8:47 AM  

Why would those involved in scouting be more likely to be married than the general population?

Blogger Tommy Hass November 28, 2014 8:57 AM  

"Yes, because it is much less common for a man to be married at 25 than 40+. A married man spending time with his son is much less inherently dubious than a 40+ single man who makes it a priority to spend with young boys. Most normal adult men find boys who are not their sons to be annoying and spend as little time with them as possible."

I understand the second part but not the first. Aren't men in their twenties also normal adult men and therefore, probably annoyed by boys who aren't their sons?

Blogger Tommy Hass November 28, 2014 9:00 AM  

"Why would those involved in scouting be more likely to be married than the general population?"

Conservative, family values.

Blogger Markku November 28, 2014 9:12 AM  

Birds of a feather.

Not dot.

Blogger tweell November 28, 2014 9:14 AM  

"I understand the second part but not the first. Aren't men in their twenties also normal adult men and therefore, probably annoyed by boys who aren't their sons?"

Yes, so they will generally be involved in scouting along with their son(s). They may have cub scouts, but (unless they were Extremely precocious) not boy scouts.

Anonymous Harsh November 28, 2014 9:15 AM  

Scalzi himself would be a sex criminal of some sort but rumor has it that as part of his wedding vows he voluntarily self-castrated and his wife keeps his balls in a jar by the bed. I heard that anyway.

Anonymous trk November 28, 2014 9:19 AM  

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. We should do a 21 days of Scalzi meltdown song.

Anonymous Steve November 28, 2014 9:29 AM  

I thought this McRapey thing was some sort of in-joke. But then I googled it. Here are some other things John Scalzi said:

I like to control women and, also and independently, I like to remind them how little control they have. There’s just something about making the point to a woman that her consent and her control of her own body is not relevant against the need for a man to possess that body and control it that just plain gets me off. A guy’s got needs, you know? And my need is for control. Sweet, sweet control.

So, let’s say I’ve raped a woman, as I do, because it’s my thing. I’ve had my fun, reminding that woman where she stands on the whole “being able to control things about her life” thing. But wait! There’s more. Since I didn’t use a condom (maybe I’m confident I can get other people to believe it was consensual, you see, or maybe I just like it that way), one thing has led to another and I’ve gotten this woman pregnant.

Now, remember how I said the thing I really like about raping a woman is the control it gives me over her? Well, getting a woman pregnant is even better. Because long after I’m gone, she still has to deal with me and what I’ve done to her.


Now, granted, he doesn't look like he'd be able to overpower and rape an average, physically healthy woman... so does that means he picks on young girls and the handicapped?

Why is this self-described rapist and potential child predator allowed into conventions? I thought they were supposed to be safe spaces.

Anonymous Steve November 28, 2014 9:55 AM  

BB753 - Agreed. It is creepy, and not just because of the photographs of him caressing a giant teddy bear.

There's just something fundamentally wrong with a grown, nominally heterosexual man who sees normal, healthy heterosexual male appetites as "problematic".

The more they protest their male feminism, the more they roll their eyes, snark on Twitter, and speak with verbal fry like a 13 year old girl, the more repulsive they are.

They are empty men. Their words are twisted and feeble like an old woman's. Who knows what twisted psycho-sexual impulses drive them?

Anonymous Godfrey November 28, 2014 10:15 AM  

Scalzi's odd rape fantasies may be a common trait of fatherless boys that were brought by a domineering mothers.

Blogger pdwalker November 28, 2014 10:33 AM  

Given how much stronger his daughter is than him, I think the only thing he could overpower is a blow up sex doll, although it might still throw him off.

Anonymous Anton LaVey November 28, 2014 10:42 AM  

I am surprised that the BDSM* Community has not been up in arms over this. Did the guy not use "safe words"? Or don't they use "safe words" in Iran?

* BDSM = bondage/discipline/sadism/masochism

Blogger Markku November 28, 2014 10:47 AM  

He's Middle-Eastern, so it would be raciss to be up in arms.

What next, Crusades?

Blogger Markku November 28, 2014 10:50 AM  

No, Wheeler! NO! That was a rhetorical question! Not yet.

Blogger Zimri November 28, 2014 11:00 AM  

Is Delany a criminal though? Have any victims stepped forward? MZB was a criminal who - for whatever insane reason - wasn't caught; and Kramer was caught. Clarke was a criminal who convinced the Sri Lankans not to ask questions. I don't know if any charges have been brought against Delany.

Put it this way: if I have the urge to smash a window and steal some jewelry, I'm a thief in my heart I suppose, but if I walk away then I haven't committed any crime beyond wasting the security guard's time

Blogger Zimri November 28, 2014 11:01 AM  

-if I walk away INSTEAD, I meant.

Anonymous Steve November 28, 2014 11:12 AM  

Zimri - was anything ever proved against Clarke?

Blogger rycamor November 28, 2014 11:26 AM  

Of course we all know that Scalzi's rape article was not so much covert admission as fantasy wish-fulfillment of the converse: he wants to be on the receiving end.

Anonymous Viidad November 28, 2014 11:49 AM  

The entertainment never ends. This is truly hilarious.

Anonymous trev006 November 28, 2014 11:51 AM  

Zimri, you're missing the point. Do you know how people talk about "warning signs" every time a murderer walks into a schoolyard, and how people should obviously figure out how playing Doom/ listening to Marilyn Manson causes psychotic tendencies?

Well, Delany's book is called Hogg, and it's more deviant than the Marquis de Sade. Now, I urge you not to research that book unless you have a strong stomach for evil perversion. But if you can get through the description of the book without saying that this is a man with some horrifying issues, then it demonstrates the futility of trying to explain why a man with graphic and prolonged depictions of barbaric child torture just MAY be an actual pedophile.

Anonymous Godfrey November 28, 2014 11:57 AM  

Unprofessional arm chair psychological analysis...

Scalzi has been dominated by women (i.e. "The Matriarchy") his entire life. Thus the rape fantasies which represents the subconscious desire to "get even".


Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 11:59 AM  

Zimri - was anything ever proved against Clarke?

No conviction...but what's a prominent and world famous old white homosexual Englishman in the heart of a long-standing sex tourism capital who stocks his home with attractive Sri Lankan boys between friends?

And as far as Scalzi's rape admission goes, I don't consider myself to be among the "we all know" crowd. After his radio address defending his rape lifestyle, and the fact that he specifically and openly associated with three known rapists... even if he is somehow (and for what?) lying about being a rapist, it is pretty clear that he is a rape aspirant, which is bad enough on its own.

I mean, really. Being a rapist is reprehensible, but bragging about being a failed rapist? That's twisted. If he is a sane man, the best one can assume is that he is just a run of the mill rapist and proud of the lifestyle. Otherwise, one would be led to believe he is a tormented brain-damaged full eunuch, and the last thing any compassionate person should be doing is supporting his illness as a fantasist as a career.

That's like buying an alcoholic enough whiskey to get over his troubles.

Anonymous Steve November 28, 2014 12:23 PM  

Daniel - the circumstances surrounding Clarke's lifestyle did appear to be questionable and, if I were a gambling man, I'd have put money on some of the ugly rumours being true.

Clarke seemed to be an odd person with a rather cold personality. His books had a strangely impersonal aspect to them. Not always misanthropic - though "Childhood's End" is the most miserable, nihilistic sci fi book I've ever read - but not exactly celebrating humanity either.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 12:37 PM  

Speaking of rapists and friends, this reminds me of a very interesting conversation that was recorded at a recent Sane Fiction Writing Association annual business meeting. I happen to have a transcript but have no idea who the two speakers are:

Jim: John, I just wanted to remind you in a completely open and non-shaming way that I am a trained volunteer male rape counselor, and if there is ever anything you need to talk to me about, it will be held in relative confidence.

John: I am up to 100% fine, Jim. Really. But I do have this "friend..."

Jim: That's exactly it. This "friend" of yours...I promise that although I am a mandatory reporter, I will hold this conversation in confidence that some would consider strict...and you can feel safe to speak freely with me about your "friend" as if you weren't talking about him at all. If it helps, you can hold my hand. I know this is difficult.

John: My "friend" is...he's a...a...rapist.

Jim: There, there. I'm sure that was very difficult to admit. Sometimes the darkest part of a secret is keeping it to yourself. You understand that you have done nothing wrong by telling me this, right? In fact, you've done the right thing. Tell me about your friend. How many women has he raped?

John: None.

Jim: Oh, how sexist of me of course. How many men has he raped?

John: Oh God no! Boys are icky!

Jim: Ok, so has he actually raped anyone yet, John?

John: Well, not exactly. He tells me that he wants to. He just...can't.

Jim: Oh, he's impotent? What's wrong?

John: That word. "Impotent." It is so close to my favorite word "Important" and yet...and yet...it is missing something. This is so humiliating.

Jim: John, we've been talking about your "friend" but is your "friend" really your--

John: --Yes. My pee pee.

Jim: And what about him, John?

John: He's dead, Jim.

Jim: You know what? Maybe I should have a talk with him face-to-face. One thing I learned by avoiding Mil-SF covers is that I owe him that much. Uh, If it helps, you can hold my hand.

I know this is difficult. But with a little encouragement, I'm confident that your "friend" will return to a sex-positive rape environment in no time.

Now put on this dress.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 12:49 PM  

Not always misanthropic - though "Childhood's End" is the most miserable, nihilistic sci fi book I've ever read - but not exactly celebrating humanity either.

I think the word is "broken." Before I knew of Clarke's personal life in any way (literally, I knew "About the Author" material and that was it) Childhood's End struck me as profoundly broken. Where Clarke had touched on the loneliness and isolation in The Star and The Sentinel and 2001, it was Childhood's End that caused me to see Clarke as a sort of Opium Den genius: staring into the void, hoping for better but damned by his own sins.

It takes zero imagination for me to know realize that he was creating and re-creating his own nasty Childhood's End scenario over and over again in his secluded world. You can't write that book and not be living its aspirations in some way. The only question is were the childhood's he was ending real and exactly what did he view as evolution?

Let me be clear: I'm not saying he necessarily had to be a pedophile to have what is ultimately a fantasy in CE that lends itself to the twisted aspirations of pedophiles. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter: that is the form of broken that the story of CE is: the aspiration to progress beyond ever having to bear the burden of being anything close to human.

This was everything I thought before I became Christian. Afterward, I realized that CE is the only secular answer to the problem of sin: death by systemic annihilation. Rape the children if you feel like it because in the end, the slate and everyone on it is wiped black.

Anonymous Zippy November 28, 2014 12:56 PM  

I don't mean to be contrary, but . . .

Scalzi's "confession" to being a rapist was clearly intended as a rhetorical device. He wasn't actually confessing to rape, but arguing that rapists would favor laws banning abortion in the event of rape because rapists want control, and that's a way of controlling a woman long-term.

I don't agree with his argument, and I don't think the rhetorical technique works particularly well, but he wasn't seriously confessing to rape. I think Vox knows that full well -- being an intelligent man.

I also think it's irresponsible to publicly speculate about Mr. Hines. I do find him creepy, but absent actual evidence I don't think people should be accused of serious crimes.

I do wonder one thing. If you have an ugly mole on one side of your nose, why not have it removed? And if you don't want to have it removed, why not be photographed from the other side? So the mole is obscured, I mean. Unless he is even more seriously disfigured on the other side.

Blogger Tommy Hass November 28, 2014 12:59 PM  

"But if you can get through the description of the book without saying that this is a man with some horrifying issues, then it demonstrates the futility of trying to explain why a man with graphic and prolonged depictions of barbaric child torture just MAY be an actual pedophile."

You fail to distinguish between "sick fuck" and "evil". All pedos are sick fucks, because they get hard for kids, but not all pedos are evil, because, in theory, one can abstain from fucking children. As one should.

I think this is what he's getting at. That Delaney is a pedo but not yet a molester, at least not necessarily.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 1:02 PM  

I also think it's irresponsible to publicly speculate about Mr. Hines. I do find him creepy, but absent actual evidence I don't think people should be accused of serious crimes.

Why not?

Anonymous Zippy November 28, 2014 1:28 PM  

Daniel, because it's unfair, cruel, and irresponsible. I believe in treating people well, unless their own conduct or words justifies ill treatment.

Anonymous Mark McSherry November 28, 2014 1:31 PM  

Neil McAleer has revised and expanded his 1992 biography of Arthur C. Clarke. The update was published as an ebook in 2013---

Sir Arthur C. Clarke: Odyssey of a Visionary: The Biography

Amazon lists the kindle at $2.99
http://www.amazon.com/Sir-Arthur-Clarke-Visionary-Collection-ebook/dp/B00C5T1Z9O

The book does mention the more controversial aspects of his life. Including the Heinlein\Clarke flare-up concerning SDI in 1984 at the home of Larry Niven. The two men, long-time friends, would never to speak to each other again.

Blogger rcocean November 28, 2014 1:35 PM  

Could anyone explain the Scalizi obsession with asses and shit?

Seems rather Gay to me.

Blogger rcocean November 28, 2014 1:37 PM  

BTW, reading "Rabbit Run" by Updike - better than expected. The writing is excellent although the subject is mundane.

Blogger rycamor November 28, 2014 1:47 PM  

rcocean November 28, 2014 1:35 PM

Could anyone explain the Scalizi obsession with asses and shit?

Seems rather Gay to me.

This should answer your question.

Anonymous trev006 November 28, 2014 1:55 PM  

Tommy,

You fail to distinguish between "sick fuck" and "evil". All pedos are sick fucks, because they get hard for kids, but not all pedos are evil, because, in theory, one can abstain from fucking children. As one should.

True, but I wasn't trying to distinguish between anything: if I bring up pedophilia, it's because most of the SFWA would deny even that in their Grandmaster. Delany has seriously evil perversions on his mind, far and away beyond the degeneracy of the typical pederast. There's other types of evil beyond actively molesting young boys, though that is certainly the apex of sexual abomination. When he advertises that evil, it's a sign of complete moral abdication at a personal level. An unrepentant purveyor of such advertising being openly celebrated by men like John Scalzi indicates pervasive Sadism (in the original sense) and complete moral bankruptcy of an entire subculture.

Zippy,

I also think it's irresponsible to publicly speculate about Mr. Hines. I do find him creepy, but absent actual evidence I don't think people should be accused of serious crimes.

... You're obviously new here. He's not being accused of a crime, as he's not listed with the very well-known perverts above, but his "helpful" manner and unwholesome appearance is being cruelly mocked. There is such a concept as "hiding in plain sight" when it comes to Hines, Scalzi, and Ghomeshi, but I don't have the patience to explain it to you. For now, let me just comment that if you believe any of what you said, you can never say the phrase "rape culture" again. I do forbid it, by the granite throne of my people.

Blogger rycamor November 28, 2014 2:07 PM  

@Zippy @trev006

There's also the point that Vox doesn't generally mock people cruelly for such things as their facial characteristics unless those people have asked for it by attacking him or associates in typical SJW fashion. Hines has been making insults and snarky remarks in public for years.

Also it's quite obvious that there is a pattern to these guys, as we saw with P.Z. Myers recently. The thing they are likely to attack you about is almost always a case of projection in one way or another.

Anonymous trev006 November 28, 2014 2:12 PM  

Rycamor,

There's also the point that Vox doesn't generally mock people cruelly for such things as their facial characteristics unless those people have asked for it by attacking him or associates in typical SJW fashion.

I'm aware of that. I just don't care. If McCreepy hasn't learned the lessons of middle school by now, then I'm not such a sensitive flower that I demand "justified" taunting of the hideous goblin. Watching Scalzi's buddies come apart is immensely satisfying, and when people come up saying what a Good Guy Scalzi is, I love to remind them that Bill Cosby had that reputation for a while too.

Watching the expose of "America's dad" being a complete lie, one known to NBC for decades, is the kind of social justice I can get behind. I'm just sorry that it didn't happen during the 80's: it might have stemmed the growth of the racism industry, if not strangled it.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 2:19 PM  

Daniel, because it's unfair, cruel, and irresponsible. I believe in treating people well, unless their own conduct or words justifies ill treatment.

How is it unfair? How is it irresponsible?

I'll put it another way: what exactly is anyone responsible for in regard to speculating that a cross-dressing creepy rape counselor who goes out of his way to insult others may or may not fit the profile of other pedophiles in science fiction?

In other words: irresponsible toward what object?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit November 28, 2014 2:20 PM  

Why is this self-described rapist and potential child predator allowed into conventions? I thought they were supposed to be safe spaces.

As one of the SJW leaders (I know, they're desperate) he has the right to do whatever the fcuk he likes - its only the acolytes and the opposition who have to have standards. cf MZB, Delany et al.

Anonymous HalibetLector November 28, 2014 2:42 PM  

I'm surprised that the BDSM* Community has not been up in arms over this.

The BDSM community protects its public image, no matter what. They've covered up all sorts of sex crimes in the past and enforce something akin to the blue wall of silence. As a result, their community in rife with predation.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit November 28, 2014 2:50 PM  

@Zippy
...but he wasn't seriously confessing to rape.
I also think it's irresponsible to publicly speculate about Mr. Hines.


So they are allowed to say whatever they want about other people but are to remain above any kind of criticism (even satirical)? Pardon me but that doesn't seem very fair. SJW of their type flourish in an atmosphere where everyone else is polite and gives them the benefit of the doubt which they ruthlessly exploit to further their own interests

They operate without the same social restraints they try to impose on others - they should be treated as they treat others.

Blogger Outlaw X November 28, 2014 3:10 PM  

Looking at his picture reminds me of a dog that used to be in the neighborhood in which every time I saw him I had an almost uncontrollable urge to kick him.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 3:25 PM  

Interesting that the most prominent book in the background is about a lionized lifelong communist and defender of the Soviets.

Anonymous Anubis November 28, 2014 3:55 PM  

"A married man spending time with his son is much less inherently dubious than a 40+ single man who makes it a priority to spend with young boys. Most normal adult men find boys who are not their sons to be annoying and spend as little time with them as possible."

Isn't it still normal for adult males to not want to spend time around other people's children of either gender?

Anonymous Getaclue November 28, 2014 4:32 PM  

@Anubus

No.

Anonymous Daniel November 28, 2014 4:33 PM  

Central Casting, Exhibit A.

If that ain't a dead ringer, I don't know what is.

Blogger Markku November 28, 2014 5:31 PM  

OT, but Daniel's message brings to mind: still the best trailer ever.

Anonymous VD November 28, 2014 5:54 PM  

I don't agree with his argument, and I don't think the rhetorical technique works particularly well, but he wasn't seriously confessing to rape. I think Vox knows that full well -- being an intelligent man.

Given the rhetorical incompetence of the "satire", clearly this suggests the concept of "blown cover as cover". Think about it. What sort of mind thinks: I want to attack anti-abortion politicans and produces: I will pretend to confess to being a rapist? The subconscious is a tricky beast.

I also think it's irresponsible to publicly speculate about Mr. Hines. I do find him creepy, but absent actual evidence I don't think people should be accused of serious crimes.

Once anyone falsely accuses me of anything, I consider myself to have carte blanche to return the favor. It says right there in the rules of the blog: I will communicate with people in the style they have chosen to address me. And my experience is that people care a lot more about what I say about them than vice versa.

I'm like Steve Smith in that regard. Don't want long-term trouble? Then don't make eye contact and keep your mouth shut. I have a very good, very long memory... and I never get bored.

Anonymous Microphone Jones November 28, 2014 8:10 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in some sort of sexual assault/child porn ring. I'm sure something like that will come out in the months/years to come.

Anonymous Zippy November 29, 2014 12:22 AM  

Vox, you have valid points, and I shall ponder them. I'm not saying you're wrong, and certainly not trying to be rude to you on your own blog.

I guess what bugs me is that Scalzi didn't actually admit to being a rapist; it was clearly a rhetorical device. Granted, it was bad, not something one would expect from a Hugo! Award! Winning! Writer! The guy didn't actually admit to being a rapist. Well, he did sort of actually admit to being a rapist, but he did so in a way that made it clear his admission was not to be taken seriously -- it was a character he invented.

OK, here's an analogy. Remember when Bush II was talking about Iraq, and he said "the Mandalas are dead"? Now, clearly what he meant was that the sorts of people who would play the roll Mandala played in post-apartheid South Africa were dead, not that the actual Nelson Mandala was dead. But people deliberately misinterpreted him and acted as if he'd said Nelson was dead. That sort of deliberate obtuseness annoys me.

I think you know what Scalzi was trying to do in that case, and that you are intentionally taking him literally when he didn't intend to be so taken, and nobody as smart as you read it an thought he was actually a rapist. And, well, if given his stated level of physical strength, he probably isn't capable of raping any healthy woman between the ages of 14 and 64.

This does not mean that I have any objection to him being mocked. Mock him for bragging about how his daughter is stronger than him when she isn't even that strong, or for winning a Hugo for a piece of fan fiction, or for being an all-around putz. All that's fair. As is calling him out for his failure to admonish that Jian guy. (Who I must admit I'd never heard of before the current controversy.)

As for Hines, I am quite sure he has spoken ill of you, and I understand why you are disinclined to refrain from uncharitable speculations. I admit that, at first I thought you had no real basis for your surmise, but your speculation based on his conduct and apparent obsession with rape is something I had not even considered.

Oh, and trev: I don't accept your authority to bar me from using the term "rape culture," but honestly it's not a big part of my normal vocabulary. I don't actually think there is any such thing, except amongst inner city blacks and prison inmates, for whom rape is indeed a cultural practice.
I certainly think it's a question worth asking.

I will add that I don't condone any false accusations toward you. People are under no obligation to agree with you, but it is possible to disagree without being personally derogatory.

Blogger automatthew November 29, 2014 12:51 AM  

So zimri is Zippy the Catholic? A.k.a. the papist Ned Flanders?

You and jamsco should form a Power Flanders Team.

Anonymous Anubis November 29, 2014 3:15 PM  

"Isn't it still normal for adult males to not want to spend time around other people's children of either gender?
Anonymous Getaclue November 28, 2014 4:32 PM
@Anubus No."

I must admit to being a bit of a curmudgeon as I don't even want to pay for my "fair share" of Laqueefa's 21 illegitimate crack babies upkeep. Especially since I have never touched her.

Blogger Anthony November 30, 2014 10:22 PM  

Jeigh Di - 31% of men between 45 and 63 are *not married right now*, not "never married". The rate of never married men in that age group is closer to 10%. At the upper end of that age group are some widowers, but most of the difference between "not married right now" and "never married" is due to divorce.

See particularly Table 6 on page 16 of http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p70-125.pdf

OpenID zippycatholic December 10, 2014 11:14 PM  

So zimri is Zippy the Catholic?

The commenter going by the handle "Zippy" in this thread is not me.

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