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Monday, November 24, 2014

PZ Myers sabotaged an investigation

It's vastly amusing to see how the alleged sexual harasser/adulterer/rapist PZ Myers responds when he is treated the way he frequently treats others. And it is also worth noting that he has ignored five of the six examples cited that show him, by his own standards, to be a sexist. Not only has his story about being falsely accused of rape, among other things, changed multiple times, but it amounts to a public confession that, in the words of one commenter, he "deliberately sabotaged any chance of any investigation being conducted in line with official university policy."
PZ Myers has responded to part of my recent post about what would happen if he judged others’ sexism as he judges himself. He responded in a comment on his blog, complete with his now familiar personal abuse (he calls me a fuckhead, an asshole and a demented fuckwit) and misrepresentations of what I have written (he mistakenly says that my report of his own words on his own blog were “straight from the slymepit”, and he mistakenly says that I claimed what he did was sexist).

In his response, PZ ignored five of the six examples that I gave of behaviour by him that other people might consider sexist if they used PZ’s own standards — telling a conference host to do her belly dance and to get off his stage as he has work to do, linking to pornography involving women and octopuses, writing about a dream in which he turned his students into mermaids, publicly joking about rape, and endorsing a pornographic book that includes rape fantasies.

Instead he has focused only on my report of his own story about a student threatening to make a false rape allegation against him. He has written several times about this since 2010, and I am assuming that everything that he has written about it is true. He has now made two new assertions about the incident.

Firstly, PZ now says that he went to the chair “to invite an open investigation”, not to prevent one. Previously he had written that he “had to work fast” because “it could get dragged out into an investigation that would easily destroy my career,” and also that the woman had not gone to the authorities because he had brought in witnesses “to make her effort futile.”

Secondly, PZ now describes the investigation and says that he followed proper procedure. Previously he had written that this involved only the student, and not PZ himself, being questioned for only ten minutes about the severity of her accusation. I compare this below with the University of Minnesota’s official procedures for dealing with incidents of sexual assault and sexual harassment.
The inconsistencies in the various accounts are telling, although not necessarily damning of anything but shameless hypocrisy. As I have repeatedly observed, PZ Myers is simply not very intelligent. You may recall how he did not know that not all human beings are equally Homo sapiens sapiens despite his PhD in biology, now he can't even recognize when his own words are being directly quoted back to him. No wonder his readership has been consistently falling; he has nothing intelligent to say, he can't take the heat of criticism, he has a confirmed inability to engage in discourse at the dialectical level, and he lined up behind the SJWs of Atheism+ against most of his fellow atheists.

It is, of course, not at all surprising to see PZ misrepresenting what someone else has written, although I no longer think it is safe to assume that he is doing so intentionally. These days, it is more logical to conclude that he's simply not smart enough to correctly understand and summarize what someone else has written.

One former Pharyngulan has an interesting theory:
I remember how he’s described his father and grandfather and how behaves very much the same. Different core values. But the behavior is extremely similar to the behavior of those two role-models he has castigated in the past. In any case, I washed my hands of him and his blog years ago. I’m not interested in being part of a toxic ‘in-group’ that has abandoned skepticism, rationality, manners and the ability to think for oneself.
One would think an evolutionary biologist, of all people, would recognize the limits of one's willpower to surmount the limits of one's genetics and upbringing. And finally, just to observer the Fowl Atheist's shameless hypocrisy, consider the following statements:

"asshole Nugent is happily embracing slymepit lies and distortions to claim that what I did was sexist? Disgusting. He’s become a demented fuckwit."
- PZ Myers

"Actually, I hate the word ‘moron’ used as an insult, thank you very much.... I don’t like the word “moron” and wish we would all use something else non-ableist to express our disbelief at a person’s sheer wrongness."
- PZ Myers

So, "demented fuckwit" is non-ableist?

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27 Comments:

Anonymous kh123 November 24, 2014 4:42 AM  

He said, she said...

Ironic that an evolutionary biologist gets personally caught up in the one drama that symbolizes a narrative he's made a career lambasting.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 24, 2014 5:31 AM  

You may recall how he did not know that not all human beings are equally homo sapiens sapiens

Homo sapiens sapiens. Italicized or underlined, with the uppercase genus, lowercase species, and lowercase subspecies. Get the nomenclature right.

Soup intelligence.

Anonymous Difster November 24, 2014 5:38 AM  

Not that I have any interest in wasting my time doing so, but if a bunch of us were to play the SJW shame game and go straight to his employer with specific examples of how he treats people, etc.; a full court press, he'd probably get fired. Set up a blog to collect student testimony about belittling people, etc.

Could be fun. I don't have that kind of time though.

Anonymous ;-) November 24, 2014 5:43 AM  

"Soup intelligence."

You're one to talk you can't even spell super.

Anonymous daffy November 24, 2014 6:41 AM  

Comparisons between PZ and Bill Cosby?

Doesn't this show the preeminence of feminists... "rapehunts" = witchhunts... regret, now or later= rape?

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 6:50 AM  

Get the nomenclature right.

Corrected, thanks.

Anonymous Not John Scalzi November 24, 2014 7:00 AM  

...then the feminist SJWs came for White Male Atheists, and still I said nothing.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 November 24, 2014 7:41 AM  

Man wise wise.
So not just a wis guy, but a wise wise guy.

Enshrined on a tautology, having declared themselves wise, ......

It's not science, it's just dead man walking.

Blogger CM November 24, 2014 7:48 AM  

I love how "moron" is seen as degrading the disabled, yet "fuck" is not seen as encouraging and promoting rape culture.

These people are looney bins... but that's probably non-ablist of me.

Anonymous bw November 24, 2014 8:09 AM  

how he’s described his father and grandfather and how behaves very much the same.

Well I got drunk with Daddy just the other night
Said he was glad to see I turned out alright
I hear people sayin like father like son
Don't think about it much, but I worry bout it some...


- Chris Knight Heart of Stone

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 8:15 AM  

I used to read pharygula years ago. I went back a couple months ago and just couldn't believe what a sounding board it had become. It's like Orac nowadays. It's as if PZ Myers has gotten stupid, really stupid.

Nowadays out of that core cadre of sciencebloggers, I only read Tetzoo. The rest just aren't worth it.

Anonymous Smokey November 24, 2014 8:27 AM  

Shit, I'd honestly forgotten all about PZ Myers. That obnoxious little butterball has become so goddamn irrelevant my mind has effectively categorized him as "Error 404: Subject 'PZ Myers' does not exist."

Anonymous DrTorch November 24, 2014 8:32 AM  

Certainly the fact that Myers is a loudmouth is going to contribute to the probability of something like this happening to him. But I believe that being an evolutionary biologist also plays a role. If your discipline is based on a bunch of hand-waving arguments that amount to nothing more than "I'm smart so things must be the way I say" then you're going to take that mentality into everything, including harassment allegations. At this point he's defending himself in the exact way he defends whatever theory of evolution is popular today.

As for being very smart, he's a prof at a comm college, who got hired in at a great time to be in academia. My father used to tell me it was better to be luck than good.

Blogger alexamenos November 24, 2014 8:53 AM  

asshole Nugent is happily embracing slymepit lies and distortions to claim that what I did was sexist? Disgusting. He’s become a demented fuckwit.
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I'm disgusted by the vulgarity and hostility of sjw's and their kin. Completely disgusted.

Anonymous Crude November 24, 2014 9:13 AM  

So, what is PZ Myers saying? That we shouldn't automatically believe a woman when she makes a rape/assault/harassment allegation?

I want to be clear on what I'm hearing out of this font of wisdom.

Blogger Gordon November 24, 2014 10:20 AM  

He's an *associate* professor at UM Morris? That's like being the 3rd base coach for a Class A baseball franchise. Seriously, at his age, he oughta be a full professor, and would be if his colleages thought he was any good.

Anonymous Statists are so dull November 24, 2014 11:17 AM  

I'm disgusted by the vulgarity and hostility of sjw's and their kin.
Their vile world view is built on corruption and debasement - it is reflected in their vulgar language - oh, and the constant need to "shock" like some maladjusted teenager.

Anonymous Trimegistus November 24, 2014 11:48 AM  

Any why did he make up his own private spelling of "slime"? Does he think that makes him look clever, as opposed to illiterate? Or are there people out there who Google "slimepit" he's trying to avoid?

Blogger Retrenched November 24, 2014 1:54 PM  

Progressives have two standards - the one they live by, and the one they expect everyone else to live by.

Anonymous Boogeyman November 24, 2014 2:06 PM  

"Actually, I hate the word ‘moron’ used as an insult, thank you very much.... I don’t like the word “moron” and wish we would all use something else non-ableist to express our disbelief at a person’s sheer wrongness."
- PZ Myers

I like to use 'paste eating mouth breathers' myself.

Anonymous Andy November 24, 2014 2:40 PM  

I keep mentioning this but those who prattle on about how great science is are usually not very good at it. Myers is a good example.

Yes he is stupid, profoundly so.

Anonymous gasbag November 24, 2014 3:04 PM  

OT: Shifting attitudes at play in Cosby allegations

https://news.yahoo.com/shifting-attitudes-play-cosby-allegations-095044394.html

...this, say advocates for sexual assault victims, may be one reason why the allegations against Bill Cosby have exploded into public consciousness now so much more than they did when they emerged a decade ago: an evolving cultural understanding of the crime of sexual assault, and increased empathy toward those claiming to be victims.

"I think our society really has changed," says Wade, a data analyst who now mentors young assault victims. "Ten years ago, it was much harder for a victim to get an audience listening to her. Now there's less of a stigma, and that gives people more confidence to come forward."

A key element in the cultural shift, say some advocates, have been a series of high-profile cases like the Penn State molestation scandal, stories of abuse in the military or the Catholic Church, and cases of date rape at university campuses. Particularly when a number of people come forward, it's harder for the public to ignore, they say.

"People may have an easy time rationalizing away only one victim, but not when there are a number of them," says Scott Berkowitz, president of Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network in Washington, D.C.

Anonymous Peter November 24, 2014 3:16 PM  

He also regularly uses "insane" as an insult, disrespectfully trivializing the struggles of schizophrenia, psychosis, etc... Or maybe he considers himself insane and is just reclaiming the word from its negative and derogatory connotations. Maybe it's not an insult at all, but an expression of solidarity: one "insane" human recognizing another.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit November 24, 2014 3:31 PM  

@Peter
Nah, he's just a dick.

Blogger Eric November 24, 2014 3:41 PM  

evolving cultural understanding of the crime of sexual assault

I'm pretty sure drugging a girl senseless so you could have sense with her was always considered rape. The reason the allegations "weren't taken seriously" was he gave the woman a truckload of money to make her go away. I'm pushing 50 and there's never been a time in my life when a rape victim found it "much harder for a victim to get an audience listening to her".

It may even be harder now. We used to know what people meant when they said the word "rape". Now when a woman says she was raped nobody knows what the hell she's alleging until she's gets specific.

Anonymous tiredofitall November 24, 2014 5:02 PM  

"It's as if PZ Myers has gotten stupid, really stupid." - takin' a look

Gotten? No, it was always there in plain sight.

"We used to know what people meant when they said the word "rape". Now when a woman says she was raped nobody knows what the hell she's alleging until she's gets specific." - Eric

Yep, there's almost-rape (which every good feminist has experienced at least once) stare rape, morning after regrets rape, I got caught cheating rape, he broke up with me rape, he's rich and I want some of that money rape, and plain old vanilla rape.

Anonymous takin' a look November 25, 2014 2:49 PM  

-tiredofitall

On balance, it may well be I got wiser and more knowledgeable.

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