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Tuesday, November 18, 2014

Some thoughts on reading Israeli history

I've been reading an intriguing history, The Land of Blood and Honey by Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld, and a thought occurred to me. One thing that comes across very, very clearly throughout the book is that contra American and European assumptions, the Israelis are not a farsighted people. In fact, by European standards, they are unstable, prone to oscillating between overconfidence and despair, deeply paranoid, and arrogant. They are also brave, creative, hard-working, and intelligent, and their military strategists are competent, if not necessarily as brilliant as their public relations would have it.

(On that note, I was particularly amused to run across Israel's finest general, Moshe Dayan, making precisely the same observation I have made concerning the IDF's military accomplishments. As he observed in a manner obviously intended to deflate some of the more overly excitable cheerleaders after the Six-Day War, while the IDF was massively victorious, it was Arab divisions they defeated, not German ones.)

It's not just van Creveld's observations that led me to these conclusions either, as I read a piece about Israeli marketing that pointed in precisely the same direction. But it is also apparent that at the highest levels, the Israelis feel they cannot do anything without at least the tacit permission of the USA, and, to a lesser extent, the European nations. This is every bit as true today as it was when they were ordered back from the Suez Canal by President Eisenhower.

So here is the thought. Many Americans and Europeans have long regarded the Jewish support for flooding their nations with third worlders, particularly Africans and Arabs, to be fundamentally aimed at destroying the white nations. And there is some evidence for that on the basis of various statements that have been made by American Jews. But after reading more about Israel, I'm not so sure that is the true target. The Chinese are probably a more dangerous long-term competitor than the Europeans and there are no similar anti-Chinese campaigns on that front. Keep in mind that Israelis are not American Jews, in fact, they often appear to be mildly contemptuous of them, as they have been tested, and continue to be tested, in ways the American Jews have not. They tend to view American Jews in much the same way front-line troops regard support troops, as REMFs whose opinions are ignorant, misguided, and irrelevant.

And on that basis, my hypothesis is simultaneously less sinister and considerably more cynical. Ever since the first intifada, a majority of the Israeli people have wanted to push the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and claim the entirety of what they call "the Land". The religious hardliners have demanded that from the start, or at least since the 1967 war. However, Israelis know very well they can't seriously hope to do anything of the sort without at least tacit approval from the West.

So, what better way to get approval from the West for ethno-religious cleansing than for the West to be engaged in precisely the same activity on an even larger scale? Is it not possible that Israel (and therefore AIPAC, and therefore American Jewry) has been pushing for third world invasion of the West, particularly Muslim mass immigration, in order to spark the very reconquista that more and more Westerners are beginning to demand?

If this hypothesis is correct, then we should see American Jewry gradually shifting from a pro-immigration position to a pro-deportation one. I am not, of course, saying this is correct, nor am I privy to any information on the matter one way or the other. It's just a thought. But the more I learn about the Middle East, the more it seems to me that if Israel is ever going to successfully claim and colonize the entire Land, it is going to have to do so under the political cover of a second Western reconquista.

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Blogger Hazim November 18, 2014 7:28 AM  

Awaken to the news that Filistines attack Yahudis in a Synagogue with knives and axes, Israel to loosen restrictions on firearms for self - defense. If their American counterparts could throw their weight behind that concept... that would be AWESOME! And support your hypothesis.

Anonymous Peter Garstig November 18, 2014 7:29 AM  

That would be extremely long game, something you put in doubt in the first paragraph (about the Israeils having long game).

I doubt it's intentional in any way. But sometimes unintended strategies work best.

Anonymous DrTorch November 18, 2014 7:34 AM  

Then what explains their contempt for conservative Christians? Many evangelicals would gladly insist that all of Palestine be given to Israel.

Anonymous Matt Flannagan November 18, 2014 7:35 AM  

Nah, Jews just hate Whites.

Blogger sykes.1 November 18, 2014 7:37 AM  

At some point you might want to read Thomas L. Thompson's "Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel." He is a professional archaeologist who worked in Israel. He thinks the history told in the Old Testament, including Exodus and the Empire of David and Solomon and even Solomon's Temple are myth. That the ancient Jews were an indigenous Palestinian people in the Bronze Age.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben November 18, 2014 7:37 AM  

You are clearly right about the Israeli attitude towards American Jews. It's like a fan at your soccer games telling you how to play the game.

Every week there are numerous columns by American Jews about what Israel should do. They're filled with complaining, ranting, and a non-stop rehashing of the same talking points over and over again. It appeals to the bored yenta housewives.

Blogger stats November 18, 2014 7:51 AM  

Perhaps Netanyahu is waiting for the destruction of Iran. Then there is no real threat in the Middle East. America seems completely toothless. He got us to fight and destroy his foes in the Middle East at the cost of trillions of dollars. Surely he could convince occupied congress that the safety of the Jews is dependent on the expulsion of the remaining Palestinians.

Anonymous Michael November 18, 2014 8:01 AM  

Vox, your hypothesis is wishful thinking at best. American Zionists, hardliners for all things Israel, have been responsible for pushing us into war and are staunch supporters of every gun control, abortion, LGBT, feminist, and multicultural policy. Jews who do not support such policies are alienated. Zionism itself is a radical ideology of supremacy, advocating for hard-line military expansionism, even if it means staging false-flags or inciting violence from the side in order to 'legitimize' a military response.

This link should suffice:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/understandji-2.htm

Any retaliation by the Palestinians and the (Jewish) American MSM will portray it as though another Holocaust were in the making, despite Israel's rather obvious military supremacy and the fact that they kill far more Palestinians than the other way around. It is a serious humanitarian crisis.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:02 AM  

Nah, Jews just hate Whites.

That may be true in some cases, perhaps even the majority of the cases. I couldn't say. But I don't think even those who hate Whites are more interested in their hatred than they are in taking complete control of the Land from the Arabs, of whom they are not particularly fond either.

That would be extremely long game, something you put in doubt in the first paragraph (about the Israeils having long game).

As a people collectively, they don't. But exceptional Jews do, as the successful Zionist movement demonstrates. And if I assess two probabilities, namely, those exceptional Jews having a long game that involves a) something incredibly unlikely (the extermination of the European race) and b) something that has happened before (a second Reconquista), then I have to say that (b) appears considerably more credible.

And that is true regardless of what the short-sighted yappers think, say, and do. They will turn on a dime and support the precise opposite when encouraged to do so.

Anonymous Sensei November 18, 2014 8:04 AM  

He thinks the history told in the Old Testament, including Exodus and the Empire of David and Solomon and even Solomon's Temple are myth.

Then he's the latest in a long line of those who would selectively ignore ample archeological evidence in order to deny the veracity of old testament history? He can take a number.. not worth wasting serious time on.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:05 AM  

Vox, your hypothesis is wishful thinking at best.

It's not wishful thinking. It is straightforward logic.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 8:05 AM  

One thing that comes across very, very clearly throughout the book is that contra American and European assumptions, the Israelis are not a farsighted people. In fact, by European standards, they are unstable, prone to oscillating between overconfidence and despair, deeply paranoid, and arrogant.

Well, even a casual reading of the Bible gives exactly the same view. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:11 AM  

You gotta love kikes: forcefully rob land from a people who has been there for over 1000 years and yet not be satisfied with it even though they got away with murder.

And what is it with the whole "Reconquista" bullshit? I know why you're using that word: it makes you feel like you're "merely fighting back". The conquistadors called themselves that way to feel like the guys who fought against moorish invaders, even though THEY were "the moors" in the Americas.

Name one islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades. Protip: you can't. This is why all the talk about Reconquista is horseshit.

Your daughter being a stupid idiot who mudsharks around is not equivalent to her getting raped. Referring to pogroms against Muslims as Reqconquista is like referring to violence against your female familiy members' vibrant boyfriend as righteous violence against rapists.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 8:14 AM  

"So, what better way to get approval from the West for ethno-religious cleansing than for the West to be engaged in precisely the same activity on an even larger scale?"

Supporting the demographic dominance and general flourishing of Christian Zionists would be a much better way.

Starting with the end of WWII at latest, Jews could have pursued that strategy, building up the white nations and the Christian Zionist elements within them. If those who blessed Israel were visibly being blessed instead of cursed and destroyed, it would have made Christian Zionist dogma practically unquestionable. Those of us who just want white people to continue to exist would have accepted without question the Jews' right to rule in Palestine as in all white nations. This all would have been much easier to accomplish than what Jews actually have done, successfully imposing non-white mass immigration and all sorts of cultural and legal changes that force white temperament and culture against the joint.

Matt Flannagan: "Nah, Jews just hate Whites."

That explanation fits what has happened to us.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 18, 2014 8:15 AM  

"Awaken to the news that Filistines attack Yahudis in a Synagogue with knives and axes, Israel to loosen restrictions on firearms for self - defense."

The Washington Times is now claiming that 3 of the victims were Americans. All the better to stoke the fires.

Blogger Shimshon November 18, 2014 8:16 AM  

Why do you consider Dayan to be "Israel's finest general?" I don't know enough about the military history, so I am curious about this.

Regarding your hypothesis on Jews and mass immigration, Jews are not that clever and far-thinking. Besides, the mass of American Jewry, even today, is reflexively Democrat and pro-immigration (even if they don't want it locally). They are not even necessarily what you or I would consider "pro-Israel."

I also highly doubt your assertion that a majority of Israeli Jews want to kick out the Arabs and fully annex Gaza and the West Bank, and have for decades. Even today, I suspect support for such a move is a plurality at best.

Your take on the distinctions between Israeli and "chutznikim" (Jews who reside elsewhere, not just the US) is interesting and sounds reasonably accurate to me.

As an aside, I do find the absolute silence of the entire world, as Egypt creates and further expands its dead zone (first 500m and now 1km from the border) in Gaza, amusing. When I first read about this a month or so ago, I thought the media was wrong and that Egypt must be expelling Sinai Egyptians, not Gazans. But no. They have literally invaded a foreign land and are systematically expelling everyone in the affected area, with not a peep of protest. For obvious reasons, Israel does not protest. But what about everyone else?

Blogger Chris Mallory November 18, 2014 8:16 AM  

"Name one islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades. Protip: you can't."

Muslim immigration to Western nations is an attack.. Mohammedans do not belong in the West.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:17 AM  

In other words, immigration "invasion" is not military invasiosn. It's like equating forcible robbery and somebody taking advantage of your moronic generosity. Those guys whom Mike Tyson wasted his wealth on, his "friends", didn't rob him. Therefore, him shooting those guys would be unlike Bernie Goetz shooting the guys robbing him.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 8:18 AM  

Joshua Dyal: "Well, even a casual reading of the Bible gives exactly the same view."

One of many good reasons to doubt that Jews are just Khazars.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 8:20 AM  

For obvious reasons, Israel does not protest. But what about everyone else?

Because Israel isn't protesting.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 8:22 AM  

If those who blessed Israel were visibly being blessed instead of cursed and destroyed, it would have made Christian Zionist dogma practically unquestionable.

Christian Zionist dogma is practically unquestionable amongst vast swathes of white America, on both the democrat and republican sides.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:22 AM  

"Muslim immigration to Western nations is an attack."

No it's not, you mentally ill, bloodthirsty cocksucker. I know this will blow your mind, but words have meanings. You don't get to casually rewrite the semantics of them.

"Mohammedans do not belong in the West."

Yet I am here. What are you going to do about it?

Anonymous Michael November 18, 2014 8:23 AM  

VD, "It's not wishful thinking. It is straightforward logic."

How so? Every Jewish lobby group and politician is pro-immigration. It's been this way for over a century, in a thinly-concealed effort to replace Christian culture with Babylonian societies, stir up racial divisions to suppress the once-homogenous people and gradually institutionalize secular-communism.

Anonymous Starbuck November 18, 2014 8:25 AM  

You gotta love kikes: forcefully rob land from a people who has been there for over 1000 years and yet not be satisfied with it even though they got away with murder. - Tommy Haas

Hmmm... Irony. The land of Israel was given to them by God. Whether you or I believe that or not. It is a part of their religion/government of old. The Israelis believe it (at least a lot of them). That land includes Gaza all the way to the Euphrates rivers in Iraq. You can deny it all you want, won't change anything. It is what THEY believe to be true or accept. People demanding they give up land is people working behind the scenes using politics in an effort to destroy Israel.

Name one islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades. Protip: you can't. This is why all the talk about Reconquista is horseshit.

What are you? Some kind of raghead? You need to move over to a Jihadi website, there your comments would be received and praised. When you're there, tell mohammed the child bugger to piss off.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 8:25 AM  

Josh: "Christian Zionist dogma is practically unquestionable amongst vast swathes of white America, on both the democrat and republican sides."

Right. Think how much easier it would have been to build on that than to do what has been done.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 8:25 AM  

No it's not, you mentally ill, bloodthirsty cocksucker. I know this will blow your mind, but words have meanings. You don't get to casually rewrite the semantics of them.


If all the Kurds currently in Iraq, Iran, and Syria moved into eastern Turkey, would that be an invasion?

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:29 AM  

In other words, immigration "invasion" is not military invasiosn.

It's not. It's much worse. Soldiers eventually leave. Settlers don't.

Why do you consider Dayan to be "Israel's finest general?"

Because Van Creveld does. And I know Gen. Krulak thought highly of him, he met him in Vietnam.

I also highly doubt your assertion that a majority of Israeli Jews want to kick out the Arabs and fully annex Gaza and the West Bank, and have for decades.

It's not my assertion, Van Creveld cites a poll in his book. Support rose from 6 percent to a majority after the 1973 war. I expect it has dropped considerably again in light of Jenin and Gaza, but it will rise again when the IDF has success.

And what is it with the whole "Reconquista" bullshit?

It's not bullshit, Tommy, it is what is going to happen. Get used to it. Multiculturalism is dead and nationalism is rising. There is no place for Islam in the West. You yourselves call it the House of War. And war is coming.

Both sides are to blame. The current 50-year wave of Muslim expansion is the direct result of Western interference in the Levant. These are grand historical cycles at work and what you think, or what I think, or even what the presidents and prime ministers think is irrelevant. The mass migration of peoples has always been an ebb and flow.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 8:29 AM  

Right. Think how much easier it would have been to build on that than to do what has been done.

Why would they need to if they've already got the support of Christian Zionists?

If the goal is "make sure that the USA agrees with Christian Zionism," why are you so concerned about how they go about achieving their goal?

The point of football is to score touchdowns, not to score touchdowns in a way you find appealing.

Anonymous Trimegistus November 18, 2014 8:30 AM  

I think there's not nearly as much conscious planning behind it as everyone thinks. American Jews want to be accepted. They want to be part of the Blue Tribe because the Blue Tribe is dominant in the areas of America where most Jews live. The Blue Tribe favors immigration (mostly because the Red Tribe opposes it, plus cheap nannies). Therefore American Jews support immigration. It's all group think and tribal identity cheerleading.

If American Jews and Israelis really were manipulating American politics to benefit themselves, they'd have eradicated the squishy liberals from American politics a long time ago so that Teheran (and maybe Mecca) would be uninhabitable craters by now. The fact that they have mostly backed the opposite policy points to a complete absence of genuine strategy.

Anonymous zen0 November 18, 2014 8:30 AM  

So, what better way to get approval from the West for ethno-religious cleansing than for the West to be engaged in precisely the same activity on an even larger scale? Is it not possible that Israel (and therefore AIPAC, and therefore American Jewry) has been pushing for third world invasion of the West, particularly Muslim mass immigration, in order to spark the very reconquista that more and more Westerners are beginning to demand?

If not the actual plan, the Israelis certainly don't let such crises go to waste.

Example:



World Net Daily, Dec.3, 2001

At the same time, Yasser Arafat was given his last chance to prove himself
as Palestinian leader, despite the rising clamor in Israel to get rid of
the Palestinian leader as the ultimate root of the terror that left 26
Israelis dead and more than 200 injured in two devastating terrorist
attacks in Jerusalem and Haifa over the weekend.
What Sharon proposed to Bush – and will almost certainly put before the
full-scale Cabinet session scheduled for tonight, will be to assign Israel
Defense Forces the task of smashing Palestinian terrorist organs –
including the Palestinian Authority's preventive security and intelligence
branches, which answer to Arafat personally. Their targets will include
senior Palestinian officers engaged in terrorist activities – people such
as Gazan preventive security chief Muhamed Dahlan, the West Bank general
intelligence chief Col. Tawfiq Tirawi and the Tanzim militia leader Marwan
Barghouti. The immunity they and their following have hitherto enjoyed
from Israel attack is to be lifted.
Hezbollah's turn will come once the operational links between Arafat and
the Lebanese Shiite extremists are proven. The IDF is thus free to operate
outside Israeli and Palestinian territory.
Washington sources report that these conclusions – plus the need to act
promptly, without waiting for a Palestinian crackdown against terrorists –
were approved, albeit some only tacitly, by U.S. leaders.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:30 AM  

What are you? Some kind of raghead? You need to move over to a Jihadi website, there your comments would be received and praised. When you're there, tell mohammed the child bugger to piss off.

Settle down, Starbuck. There is no need for that sort of provocative language.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:31 AM  

"If all the Kurds currently in Iraq, Iran, and Syria moved into eastern Turkey, would that be an invasion?"

Not if we let them. If that happened, we would deny them entry. Everyone who enters afterwards, is an invader and subject to deadly force.

There is a reason why Japan doesn't have talk about reconquista or islamic invasions.

Anonymous indpndnt November 18, 2014 8:33 AM  

I wonder how this jives with the recent interest in 4GW. It sounds like the argument you are making is that Jews are working on a kind of insurgency plan that will bring them to the moral high ground. Perhaps ironically, this is the same tactic that Palestine uses/is accused of using with regards to civilian casualties and media coverage.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:38 AM  

No it's not, you mentally ill, bloodthirsty cocksucker. I know this will blow your mind, but words have meanings. You don't get to casually rewrite the semantics of them.

First, you need to settle down too. There is no need for that sort of language. And you clearly need to read your Clausewitz. Both the Clausewitzian framework and the 4GW framework both clearly recognize mass immigration as a form of warfare.

Yet I am here. What are you going to do about it?

Ideally, send you home peacefully with an education and a modest bit of capital that will allow you to prosper there. If not, the West will do to you what your people are presently doing to all the Jews and Christians in their lands.

Don't even bother waxing with the "Mother of all Battles" talk. Once the global elite decides to jump in front of popular opinion, Islam will be banned. Cosmetic bans are already happening in places like France and Switzerland, and they'll be followed by outright bans within a decade. And the worse people behave in protest, the faster the process will occur.

Anonymous trev006 November 18, 2014 8:39 AM  

The logic of sending a great many Muslim immigrants to your allies very much escapes me, even with a plausible explanation. In the extremely long-term, maybe it foments hatred of the Muslims by white cultures- but in the medium term, it runs the risk of Israel's allies starting to become more lukewarm in their support. A great many countries in the EU have populations that openly despise Israel now- and the UK's support of Israel is increasingly in question, which was unthinkable even two decades ago. Regardless, another long-term disadvantage is that Jewish people have been working for many, many years to promote attitudes favoring diversity and equality. A white population with an increasing awareness of racial issues is a major setback to that- they may start hating Arabs, but end hating Jews. In societies like France, open hatred of the latter is more common than the former! So while it makes the goal of ethnic cleansing a bit more likely to succeed, it also severely damages the standing of Jews and Israel, perhaps fatally so. Is it worth a 3% chance of success becoming a 6% one, let's say?

I would actually argue that neither white hatred or a long-term plan for Israel explains -by themselves- why so many Jews support deleterious Western policies. Instead, I'll point out that disastrously progressive intellectual movements usually have Jews at the front of the queue, simply because they are clever and have relentless ambition. Paradoxically, many seculat leftist Jews affect a policy of hating Israel (see: Chomsky, Klein, ad nauseaum), yet support the entry of other secular Jews into the leadership of their movements. It's ironic on at least two levels that I can see.

And, of course, racial characteristics that affect the people (wildly oscillating moods, short-sightedness, etc.) tend to affect their elites, so that's part of it as well. That was an excellent insight, for the record. I hadn't thought of the Jews as having lots of intelligence but little wisdom, and I really should have.

Anonymous Native Baltimoron November 18, 2014 8:41 AM  

I would guess that the support especially among secular Jewry for mass immigration is an emergent property of their aspiration to intellectualism. It's similar in many ways to liberalism in academia, which isn't conspiratorily husbanded, but rather the cumulative result of countless actors voicing and effecting politically correct ideals.

Leftism has, ironically enough, been an intellectual movement since the Jacobins. Of course, come the revolution, the leftists tend to kill off or imprison the intellectuals who originated their rhetoric.

I agree that, if mass deportations start, most will not be terribly vocal in opposition (because there is more than enough propaganda fodder to make illegals seem universally monstrous). Most people seem content to follow the crowd, and don't think in terms of decades, let alone centuries, even if they have a high IQ.

Anonymous PA November 18, 2014 8:42 AM  

It depends on what the "exceptional Jews'" long term strategy is: survival or supremacy.

If it's mere survival, then a healthy christian society is a better bet. But if you're gunning for supremacy, then you want to destroy the smart, ambitious people who would be your equals or even your superiors (in ways that the Chinese will never be).

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:43 AM  

"It's not. It's much worse. Soldiers eventually leave. Settlers don't."

The significant part is "consent". People who enter with the consent of the country cannot ever be invaders.

"It's not bullshit, Tommy, it is what is going to happen. Get used to it. Multiculturalism is dead and nationalism is rising. There is no place for Islam in the West. You yourselves call it the House of War. And war is coming."

I object to the usage of "Reconquista". It is a misuse of the word to elicit emotions of SELF DEFENCE HURR when no such thing is happening.

The reason why the actual Reconquista happened is because Muslims conquered Western territory. If they're going to call us conquerors even though we haven't been conquering shit, what's the point of not invading and plundering Christian countries?

I agree that multiculturalism is dead, good riddance.

With all due respect, who are you to determine whether or not Islam has a place in the west or not?

As for the war, can you be more specific?

"Both sides are to blame. The current 50-year wave of Muslim expansion is the direct result of Western interference in the Levant. These are grand historical cycles at work and what you think, or what I think, or even what the presidents and prime ministers think is irrelevant. The mass migration of peoples has always been an ebb and flow."

Are you referring to the creation of Israel?

Anonymous Alexander November 18, 2014 8:46 AM  

Tommy boy,

The west was a foolish landlord, who let you move in and shit up the neighborhood. As you say, our fault for being so stupid.

But the contract's up and we're not renewing - we want you out. If you continue to stay, you're no longer a visitor taking advantage - you're an invader.

Expect to be treated as one.

Or you know, wait until the Germans have to endure that final straw. A Rotherham style gangbang in Hamburg? A 7/7 attack in Berlin? Just a general refusal to submit another inch to a tide of Turks? I don't know - but I do know it won't matter a lick what rhetorical tales you spin about how it's not Muslims' faults for the way things are.

Anonymous Samuel Scott November 18, 2014 8:47 AM  

Vox,

Ever since the first intifada, a majority of the Israeli people have wanted to push the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and claim the entirety of what they call "the Land".

I'm pretty sure that's not factually accurate. It's nowhere near a majority of (Jewish) Israelis. Let me find some data.

Other thoughts later, when I have time.

Anonymous Scooter November 18, 2014 8:47 AM  

"If all the Kurds currently in Iraq, Iran, and Syria moved into eastern Turkey, would that be an invasion?" Not if we let them.

Define "we". The people themselves, or the bought and paid for rulers?
In the case of the US, "we" are not letting them in; "they" are, against our wishes.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 8:50 AM  

The significant part is "consent". People who enter with the consent of the country cannot ever be invaders.

Irrelevant. You don't have my consent. You don't have anyone's consent. The majority of the people do not want the collective you here in the West. Do you truly not understand that the State does not equal the People?

With all due respect, who are you to determine whether or not Islam has a place in the west or not?

A Westerner. A Christian living in Christendom. And, of course, a genuine Native American.

Are you referring to the creation of Israel?

I'm including that, although I had in mind more the Western interference on the part of England and France that created the current political states, as well as US interference in the oil-producing states. The West fully deserved the blowback it has experienced as a result.

But it is clear that the long hiatus ended 50-years ago. This is a conflict that will last several hundred years. Our great-grandchildren won't live to see the end of it. That's why there is no need to get emotional and take it personally. We are like plankton in a sea where whales are fighting. Try to look at it more philosophically and intellectually, it is what it is.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 8:51 AM  

Right. Think how much easier it would have been to build on that than to do what has been done.

Josh: "Why would they need to if they've already got the support of Christian Zionists?"

Many reasons, including natural gratitude and natural love, as those who love often have that feeling reciprocated.

Strategically, allies are good, and happy, healthy, powerful and flourishing allies are better.

Christian Zionists are all for the Jews? Great! Given a lack of Jewish animus, the obvious option would be for Jews to increase the numbers and the demographic dominance of Christian Zionists as much as possible, to prosper their nations so that the nations as a whole were being visibly blessed and increased, and raise them so high that other nations (such as European nations with no real history of Christian Zionism) would want to jump on the Christian Zionist bandwagon on order to receive the same blessings.

Nothing like that happened.


Josh: "If the goal is "make sure that the USA agrees with Christian Zionism," why are you so concerned about how they go about achieving their goal?"

What are you asking? Why do I, Titus Didius Tacitus, care? Because this is life and death for white people, of course.

Why would I, hypothetically as a Jewish ethnic strategist, care? Because it's the obvious winning move. The benefits would have been huge and the risk would have been nil.


Josh: "The point of football is to score touchdowns, not to score touchdowns in a way you find appealing."

This is a touchdown.


Besides, when it comes to human affairs, pleasing methods matter.

To give every good thing you can to those who adore you is pleasing. Or to me that would be the pleasing route. But I'm a white and have a white temperament. Jews, with Jewish temperaments, decisively preferred a contrary strategy.

Anonymous dh November 18, 2014 8:52 AM  

VD, how much do you think their military strategists reputation is based on the problem that their non-state foes are chaotic actors, and their state-based foes are either dealing with much longer timescales (i.e. the persians) or barely scraping by as states (i.e. the arabs)?

Anonymous Michael November 18, 2014 8:54 AM  

trev006, "Instead, I'll point out that disastrously progressive intellectual movements usually have Jews at the front of the queue, simply because they are clever and have relentless ambition."

The Weather Underground immediately springs to mind. One of their plans was to open reeducation centers (gulags) to force Americans into slave labor and estimated that they'd exterminate 25 million.

Starbuck, "People demanding they give up land is people working behind the scenes using politics in an effort to destroy Israel."

And Zionists demanding that we leave our borders open in order to displace us are working behind the scenes using politics in an effort to destroy America, Canada and Europe.

The difference being - and it's a HUGE difference - there is a rather large number of Zionists represented within our government and media, whereas in Israel there are no white Christians in positions of authority working to dismantle Israel's sovereignty.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 8:55 AM  

Well, even a casual reading of the Bible gives exactly the same view.

Or worse. In the Old Testament, as a people they come off like the worst caricature of modern vibrants: short-sighted, self-destructive, and easily distracted by shiny objects. As soon as they miss a meal, they forget whatever covenant they just made and start looking around for an easier gig. If Zionist Christians think the Jews are a superior race, that just tells me many Christians don't read the Bible nearly as much as they claim to (or just don't pay attention to what they're reading).

On the other hand, they turn out many impressive leaders who save them from destruction. Of course, even this is presented by Scripture as being entirely the work of God, not anything inherent in them or anything they deserve. Most of the time it's made clear that they don't deserve it, but God saves them anyway to make a point about the Messiah and salvation.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 8:55 AM  

"If not, the West will do to you what your people are presently doing to all the Jews and Christians in their lands."

That is highly variable and not exactly a thorough cleansing. It sucks but a far cry of what you seem to be predicting will happen. Plenty of Christians that don't get forced to move/killed, just treated like shit.

Also, what if I'm marries to a German girl. Would they force families to seperate? Germans hate us way too little for that to be realistic.

"Once the global elite decides to jump in front of popular opinion, Islam will be banned. Cosmetic bans are already happening in places like France and Switzerland, and they'll be followed by outright bans within a decade. And the worse people behave in protest, the faster the process will occur."

At least that's a prediction. I doubt it though. Religious freedom is one of the corner stones of recent western civilization. Large scale deportations are more likely than that.

I can believe Europe getting rid of fundamentalist muslims or all muslims before I believe in religious bans.

Btw you what about indigenous converts. They will be expelled too?

Anonymous Samuel Scott November 18, 2014 8:59 AM  

Vox, some data:

A majority of Israelis want a two-state solution BUT a majority of Israelis are in favor of official discrimination against Arabs in either Israeli proper or in any annexed West Bank land.

Couldn't find any data off-hand on what percentage of Israelis want to expel Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza. But I'll state that it's surely not a majority. I'd estimate perhaps 10%-15%.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 9:00 AM  

The significant part is "consent". People who enter with the consent of the country cannot ever be invaders.

Consent of whom? The ivory tower elites who are career politicians, or the disenfranchised masses who are increasingly at odds with their leadership?

With all due respect, who are you to determine whether or not Islam has a place in the west or not?

I suspect it is an observation, not a determination. Because nations and nationalism are the natural state of humanity, Islam has no place in the West. It's fundamentally opposed to it philosophically.

And historically, it has been at war with it since the foundation of Islam. The best it got for the West was after the Reconquistas were well and done, the Ottomans were sufficiently beat down and the scramble for Africa and the Barbary Wars had kept much of the Muslim population at bay from the West specifically. But things are turning again; Muslims are spreading into the West and increasingly coming into cultural and actual conflict with Westerners, who's patience for them is wearing thin.

It doesn't take a genius to plot the trajectory of that line.

Anonymous Nemo Maximus November 18, 2014 9:06 AM  

One factor that has to be taken into account is the pervasive Jewish myth of the Golden Age of Jewish Culture in Islamic Spain.

Here are a couple of links:

Wikipedia

A scholar emphasizes the reality vs. the myths

However, this myth reached the status of a foundational myth amongst 20th century jews, or at the very least conventional wisdom. I believe that belief in this myth led North American Jewry to reflexively support policies which would re-create these conditions in the badly mistaken belief that Muslims would be their allies in a multicultural society. The failure to recognize that a) the golden age was nearly 1,000 years ago and b) the founding of the state of Israel has dramatically changed the Muslim-Jewish calculus.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 9:08 AM  

In sum: actual Jewish strategies and their vital implications for whites from WWII on are massively inconstant with either the hypothesis that Jews have no special animus against whites, or that many Jews do have such an animus but that it has little strategic impact.

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2014 9:12 AM  

Tommy,

I got nothing against individual Moslems. In fact, in my youth, I visited a couple Moslem countries and found the people to be decent and hospitable. I felt safer walking the streets of a Moslem city than I would have in certain cities in the US. Needless to say this was before the US started dropping bombs on them.

But times are changing, it’s just the way history is shaped by human nature.

In Europe I believe this will result in a strong nationalist backlash against whoever doesn’t belong. It will France for the French, Germany for the Germans and so on.

In the US, I think we are on our way towards violent disintegration. There just aren’t that many nice clean borders to fracture peacefully.

What I am getting to, is that you need to be watchful and be prepared if necessary to return to your homeland. Most Jews in the 1930’s didn’t want to leave Germany and many stayed too late.

Maybe you’ve integrated enough that you’ll be fine, but don’t assume that it must be so.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 9:13 AM  

regarding the Jews lack of planning and exceptional intelligence/competence, the East Ramapo school board tapes are very revealing.

the Hasidim are not very intelligent and have zero long term planning abilities. short and mid term? pretty good.

social cohesion and willingness to break all laws and standards in order to get short term gains? in spades.

but what happens when their ( primarily non-white ) neighbors get tired of getting accused of anti-Semitism at the same time that the Hasidim are living down to all the worst Jewish stereotypes?

what happens when the state AG and comptroller step in and start examining books?

Anonymous cheddarman November 18, 2014 9:14 AM  

Vox, If you are correct, this is a very dangerous game they are playing. Israel will loose the American and European shield they have enjoyed since 1948. As nationalist movements emerge in the U.S. and Europe, they may very well identify the jews as the greatest enemy, as they were the vanguard of the cultural marxists promoting multiculturalism and immigration.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 9:17 AM  

"Irrelevant. You don't have my consent. You don't have anyone's consent. The majority of the people do not want the collective you here in the West. Do you truly not understand that the State does not equal the People?"

Fair enough, but why don't they vote for Nazi parties then? The parties that advocate against immigration are unpopular here. Even UKIP is in favor of ENDING immigration and not deporting people.

I think the population here is ok with the status quo as long as there are no new immigrants.

If they don't want us out, are you gonna declare war on Germany to force em?

"A Westerner. A Christian living in Christendom. And, of course, a genuine Native American."

But the other westerners don't necessarily agree. You seem outnumbered. The people who agree with you agree with you far less than you make it seem.

"Or you know, wait until the Germans have to endure that final straw. A Rotherham style gangbang in Hamburg? A 7/7 attack in Berlin? Just a general refusal to submit another inch to a tide of Turks? I don't know - but I do know it won't matter a lick what rhetorical tales you spin about how it's not Muslims' faults for the way things are."

Well, Turks are no longer immigrating, soo....

And you're out of your mind if you think Turks are like Pakis. I've never heard of such teenage grooming rings in Germany. The only Turk I know who fucked a 15 year old while being 24 was an atheist.

Also, what about those with citizenships? they are no longer renters. They are like home owners. Stripping them of citizenship is like stripping people of their homes. Utterly shits on the meaning of citizenship to begin with.

"Define "we". The people themselves, or the bought and paid for rulers?
In the case of the US, "we" are not letting them in; "they" are, against our wishes."

I get the idea that even nationalist populists only want to deport illegals and end immigration, not get rid of those who came there legally.

If the was a bifurcation between state and people in response to Kurds flooding into my country, the Kurds wouldn't necessarily be invaders.

Seriously, if American people are so against immigration, why is there no anti immigration party assraping the others like in France or Britiain?

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 9:20 AM  

That is highly variable and not exactly a thorough cleansing.

It will be different everywhere. The Germans and Scandinavians will be thorough, the Italians and Greeks less so. Look to Yugoslavia for an example of what is likely.

Also, what if I'm marries to a German girl. Would they force families to seperate? Germans hate us way too little for that to be realistic.

No idea. I'd suggest looking at how the Germans did it sixty years ago.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream November 18, 2014 9:21 AM  

That sounds like very long range thinking. Personally I don't believe it. Like you say, "the Israelis are not a farsighted people." No people is, even the Chinese.

Steve Sailer's explanation is the simplest one. The GOP is the party of the core Americans, the Democrats are the party of the non-core (the elites, the ethnic and religious minorities, the proles), so a group like Jews who are simultaneously an elite, and an ethnic and religious minority, are going to favor immigration because it expands their coalition.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 9:22 AM  

Also, what about those with citizenships? they are no longer renters. They are like home owners. Stripping them of citizenship is like stripping people of their homes. Utterly shits on the meaning of citizenship to begin with.

Actually, giving citizenship to non-integrated non-nationals destroyed the meaning of citizenship. So, it no longer means anything to a lot of people anymore. That's why you can now hold multiple citizenships, because it's just a piece of paper.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 9:23 AM  

Seriously, if American people are so against immigration, why is there no anti immigration party assraping the others like in France or Britiain?

Because we're not a Parliamentary system, of course. That said, anti-immigration was a major player in the elections we just had. If Republicans are too stupid to recognize that, and some of them are, they will be similarly held accountable eventually. From my perspective, anti-immigrant sentiment is rising, and rising fast.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler November 18, 2014 9:26 AM  

I find your coments interesting VD and certainly viable conclusions and observations. Your analysis about them being "unstable" and vacilitating is right on. After reading the small section of the Talmud and Gershom Scholem's book on Messianism in Judaism, I find that they are nutty and delusional. What figures most in the back of the Jewish mind is Messianism.

Messianism requires Tikkun. In regards to the Kabbalistic/Sabbatean Tikkun, you might be right but Tikkun stll requires the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 9:27 AM  

Besides, when it comes to human affairs, pleasing methods matter.

Nope. Chicks dig jerks.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 9:32 AM  

Tommy Hate, the Ataturk of the internet, is at it again. This time, he offers his own presence in a Western country as proof that Kufirs Never Do Nothin': "I am here, ", quoth he; "What are you going to do about it?"

The answer, of course, is "Nothing-- today. But tomorrow... Well..."

See you at Lepanto, Tommy.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 9:35 AM  

In sum: actual Jewish strategies and their vital implications for whites from WWII on are massively inconstant with either the hypothesis that Jews have no special animus against whites, or that many Jews do have such an animus but that it has little strategic impact.

Perhaps the Jews care far more about the fate of the Jews than the fate of the whites, and you're interpreting this indifference as hatred?

Jews do action a because it will further their goals. Action a has a negative impact on whites. Now you're screaming "THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY HATE WHITES". No, that was just a side effect. A side effect of a drug might be halitosis, that doesn't mean the doctor who prescribed it hates the patient.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 9:37 AM  

Steve Sailer's explanation is the simplest one. The GOP is the party of the core Americans, the Democrats are the party of the non-core (the elites, the ethnic and religious minorities, the proles), so a group like Jews who are simultaneously an elite, and an ethnic and religious minority, are going to favor immigration because it expands their coalition.

Absolutely.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 9:38 AM  

"See you at Lepanto, Tommy."

At least mention a battle that made a difference, like Vienna.

Blogger August November 18, 2014 9:39 AM  

I see Israel as run largely by atheist socialists who find the conflict politically beneficial. If they resolve the problem, then Israelis will start questioning their state. There are a lot of businesses that have sprung up around managing the conflict- keeping the Palestinians penned in, and protecting the elites, etc...- and naturally they want to expand their markets.
So, when it gets bad enough here, they or their American partners will sell us on building up militarized borders, using drones, whatever else. Think about Ferguson. The problem of militarized police was brought up, but it was probably buried in the minds of many Americans as the rioting continued and the autopsy report seemed to show an idiot who tried to charge a cop. I think it ended up promoting a militarized police in the minds of many impressionable Americans.
They want to sell to us- and I am not just talking about Jews here- anyone in the military industrial complex- and the politicians see the value of having us restricted by our own fear- and defenses. They can just as easily turn the drones on us, or not let us travel past the wall, but they've got to develop a pretext for it first.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 9:39 AM  

At least mention a battle that made a difference, like Vienna.

Do you even history, bro?

Blogger veinarmor November 18, 2014 9:39 AM  

I'm not convinced jews are human. If there is something perverted, depraved, just plain wrong—jews are behind it. As long as jews are in your country you will never know peace. There's only one way to deal with them, and it is not Hitler's way, because, as is plainly evident—he wasn't very good at jew killin'.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 9:40 AM  

Btw, I'm really interested in how the US are supposed to fall apart. What nations would emerge.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 9:41 AM  

"Do you even history, bro?"

The Battle of Lepanto was a moral blow, but didn't change the balance of power. The Battle of Vienna did.

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2014 9:43 AM  

Tommy,

One other thing, even if I had, while in those Moslem countries, managed to convert the entire population to Christianity; I still would not have belonged there. Likewise, if Germany converted to Islam, it would not mean that Turks or Paki’s belonged there.

Christian nations war on Christian nations and Moslem nations war on Moslem nations. Sadly real estate deals paid in blood is a human sport only slightly more popular than football (soccer).

Also, even though Turks share many common genetic features with Europeans, the difference in culture and the fact that there are so many of you in Germany (approx. 5 million), increases your risk of being targeted. Safety in numbers usually only applies to a majority.

So, for your own safety and that of your loved ones, keep a weather eye and have a plan. Remember Zyklon-B is still manufactured in the Czech Republic and people tend to be cruel to those who are different.

Blogger Dark Herald November 18, 2014 9:44 AM  

Many Americans and Europeans have long regarded the Jewish support for flooding their nations with third worlders, particularly Africans and Arabs, to be fundamentally aimed at destroying the white nations.

I'm not familiar enough with European Jews to draw conclusions about their opinions.

The opinions of American Jews remain a product of that least American city, New York. Not that I haven't enjoyed my stays in The City. There is an almost pseudo-libertarian vibe to it. A don't bother with that it aint none my business attitude that I rather like.

However, New York does lend itself to tribalism in a way no other US city does. In that process American Ghettos (ghettos in the old European sense of the word) are created.

Mind you, they are extremely well to do moneyed ghettos but in terms of isolation from the mainstream, ghettos none the less.

It is in this exclusive enclave that the opinions of American Jews appear to be formed.

They are some awfully strange opinions to be sure. None of them appear to be aimed at any kind of tribal self interest.

Through out their sojourn in Europe, Jews had endured persecution, pogroms and hardship. However in America...

For happily the Government of the United States gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. -- George Washington in his letter to the Jews of Newport

You would think under those circumstance they would be the most fanatical of pro-Americans. Yet most of the Jews I've met, are mostly just pro-New York City. I hate to use this term but they seem to look to New York for "thought leadership". Though I would be hard pressed to identify any actual thought leaders.

I think you are correct in your assessment. They are indeed brave, creative, hard-working, and intelligent but also unstable, prone to oscillating between overconfidence and despair, deeply paranoid, and arrogant.

But also they don't want to be noticed at all.

The opinions on immigration they are driving weren't created by them as far as I can tell. They just entered the Jewish echo chamber and flourished there.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 9:45 AM  

Mr. Tommy Hass:

You posted in part:

"Name one islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades.

Saudi Arabia on 9/11/01?

It was pointed out to me that 14 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia.

The gentleman I was talking to, very knowledgeable indeed, believed that the 9/11 attack could not have happened without the support of the Saudi government.

He further stated that neither the Iraqi nor the Afghan regimes had anything to do with 9/11.

Do you think he is on to something?

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous ? November 18, 2014 9:49 AM  

Where is scoobius doobius these days? His comments on die Judenfrage and die Schwartzenfrage are always incisive and entertaining.

Anonymous Starbuck November 18, 2014 9:50 AM  

Settle down, Starbuck. There is no need for that sort of provocative language._VD

Yea.. fair enough.

Question: Why do the Israelis keep trying to appease the Arabs. Do they figure they could get over run militarily? I have heard all my life how the IDF is the best and cannot be defeated, but the Yom Kippur War in 1973 poked a few holes in that theory. So did the last invasion of Lebanon.

Anonymous Feh November 18, 2014 9:51 AM  

Starting with the end of WWII at latest, Jews could have pursued that strategy, building up the white nations and the Christian Zionist elements within them. If those who blessed Israel were visibly being blessed instead of cursed and destroyed, it would have made Christian Zionist dogma practically unquestionable.

Yes but they, like the rest of the idiot Left, were (and are) convinced that the Nazis were hyper-Christians, which they certainly were not.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 9:55 AM  

But also they don't want to be noticed at all.

That doesn't jibe with the over-representation of them in extremely public fields like entertainment and politics, though.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 9:57 AM  

"Also, even though Turks share many common genetic features with Europeans, the difference in culture and the fact that there are so many of you in Germany (approx. 5 million), increases your risk of being targeted. Safety in numbers usually only applies to a majority."

You have a point but the fact that Germans have quietly made Turks leave makes me doubt that a genocide will be necessary. They've been too prescient.

Also, you won't believe it, but guys like me might be at a greater risk in my homeland than in Germany. I oppose the Islamist AKP government. They are far less likely to pussyfoot around with their enemies. (members of a soccer fan club that protested against him are being tried for "wanting to oust the government". on pain of life sentences)

My rejection of theocracy, I believe might make me or people like me palatable to the German population.

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2014 9:57 AM  

Tommy,

As far as the US goes, in my opinion, we are possibly one or two good ‘black swan’ events away from coming apart at the seams. When it happens it will be absolute chaos initially. When the dust settles, assuming it’s not radioactive, I expect there to be several new Nation States, some possibly quite small.

I see a Republica del Norte, in southern California.
I see a Republic of Texas
I see some form of Confederate States of America (Atlanta will burn a second time).
I see an independent New England that will likely be paleo-conservative (at least once the shooting stops).
I see a possibility for an African American homeland centered possibly on Detroit (sadly, I also think the African population in the old US will be no more than half what it is now).
I see a USA rump state that may or may not survive, it’s capitol may end up being Philadelphia or Minneapolis depending on how the fighting plays out.

At least the nations of the earth can rejoice that the global bully has shot himself in the head.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 18, 2014 9:59 AM  

Asians sue Harvard for discrimination in admissions and the best part is:

Harvard's discrimination against Asian-Americans is as deeply troubling today as was the discrimination against Jewish applicants that Harvard perpetrated in the name of 'holistic' admissions years ago.

Asians pushing back against Jews?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 18, 2014 10:04 AM  

Josh: "Perhaps the Jews care far more about the fate of the Jews than the fate of the whites, and you're interpreting this indifference as hatred?

Jews do action a because it will further their goals. Action a has a negative impact on whites. Now you're screaming "THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY HATE WHITES". No, that was just a side effect. A side effect of a drug might be halitosis, that doesn't mean the doctor who prescribed it hates the patient."


Josh, and VD... I showed that there was an alternative strategy available to organized Jewry that was far easier to implement, had all the same benefits and many more, and had none of the risks. But it would have required benevolence to whites. There's no evidence organized Jewry seriously considered such an option. The Protocols of the Elders of Wye were silent on it.

Instead, for half a century and more, in white countries around the world, organized Jewry has preferred a strategy that was harder and riskier to implement and had fewer benefits. But it has been devastating for white ethnic genetic interests.

I leave it to the wits of our host to decide for himself whether, practically speaking, that constitutes animus.


I understand perfectly well that Jews don't see anything unreasonable in how they act. Jews are just doing what's good for the Jews.

Any fault, in the relationship, as they see it, is from irrationally hostile whites. Even though the Christian Zionist whites all but worship Jews, this is how Jews see it.

Some Jews, who want whites g-worded by loss of family formation space and assimilation into masses of imported non-whites really believe that this is what's best for everyone.

My answer is: that doesn't do whites any good. No matter how reasonable and justified Jews consider their conduct, the consequences for whites are just as severe.

Anonymous Feh November 18, 2014 10:17 AM  

I understand perfectly well that Jews don't see anything unreasonable in how they act. Jews are just doing what's good for the Jews.

Crippling and dismantling America - a country that has done more for them than any other - is not good for them. Yet that's what they've been striving for.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 10:20 AM  

Josh, and VD... I showed that there was an alternative strategy available to organized Jewry that was far easier to implement, had all the same benefits and many more, and had none of the risks. But it would have required benevolence to whites. There's no evidence organized Jewry seriously considered such an option. The Protocols of the Elders of Wye were silent on it.

It wasn't a viable option for the simple reason that the American right didn't really start to care about Israel until 1967. By that point the immigration and civil rights acts had already been passed.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 10:23 AM  

"I see a Republica del Norte, in southern California.
I see a Republic of Texas
I see some form of Confederate States of America (Atlanta will burn a second time).
I see an independent New England that will likely be paleo-conservative (at least once the shooting stops).
I see a possibility for an African American homeland centered possibly on Detroit (sadly, I also think the African population in the old US will be no more than half what it is now).
I see a USA rump state that may or may not survive, it’s capitol may end up being Philadelphia or Minneapolis depending on how the fighting plays out."

What about places like Oregon, Washington, Colorado etc. They seem more like NYC and New England rather than Wyoming, Kansas etc

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 10:23 AM  

Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 9:41 AM
The Battle of Lepanto was a moral blow, but didn't change the balance of power.



in EVE, this would be an example of Band Of Brothers saying, "Didn't want that Dreadnought anyways. Do you know how expensive maintenance and operations on those things is?"

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 10:30 AM  

What about places like Oregon, Washington, Colorado etc. They seem more like NYC and New England rather than Wyoming, Kansas etc

Tommy, check out AMERICAN NATIONS.

It's a good overview of the national cultures of America.

Anonymous Carlotta November 18, 2014 10:42 AM  

Interesting premise which puts the last 13 years in a completely different context. And all the recent beheading videos of Americans.

Anonymous YIH November 18, 2014 10:44 AM  

Many Americans and Europeans have long regarded the Jewish support for flooding their nations with third worlders, particularly Africans and Arabs, to be fundamentally aimed at destroying the white nations.
I can only think of one jew in America that has without equivocation (such as Me-so's ''illegal, no, legal or 'refugees', yes '' or Ron Paul's ''end the welfare state and immigration doesn't matter''* qualifiers) called for immigration restriction - period. That would be Mark Levin.
All others I've heard are either ''no/minimal restriction'', the qualifiers already mentioned or increased/unlimited immigration - if they take any stand on it at all.
Ever since the first intifada, a majority of the Israeli people have wanted to push the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank and claim the entirety of what they call "the Land".
IMHO, probably even before that (Emanuel Celler). Even if you take the official account of 9/11 totally at face value, why were those 19 moslims here at all?
My cynical take is jews want moslims in the west so the west ''can feel Israel's pain'' (an effective tactic BTW).
*Another qualifier is ''private charity only'' as opposed to public assistance. In the past 100 years, there hardly is any genuine private charity left - it's either indirectly subsidized by tax offsets (deductions) or directly subsidized such as the USMC Toys For Tots who brag ''100% of donations are used!'' - because all other costs are covered by the USMC.

UPDATE: in the NFL thread Vox was hoping Adrian Peterson would return to action right away.
Sorry, not gonna happen.

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2014 10:47 AM  

Tommy,

Those parts of the country have some interesting complications of their own.

First you have Utah and the Mormon West, which may form a lovely little Theocracy.

Then you have states like Colorado, Washington, and Oregon where the rural and urban areas of the state are rather at odds with one another. Right now the cities dominate those states, but during the chaos will those cities maintain their dominance or will they be degraded in both population and power?

In Oregon and Washington, the coastal urban areas may remain loyal to the US government, but the areas east of the Cascade ranges, I don’t know.

Colorado, I would expect the rural areas to become dominant since the cities depend too much on national infrastructure for supply.

The Northern Plains of the US, which includes, Wyoming, the Dakotas, and Eastern Montana I expect to be heavily contested by the US government since that is where the missile fields are (ICBMs). It is possible that should the US government fall you will see Canada at the head of a UN force take possession of this area.

Hawaii, will probably either remain loyal to the US or go its own way, still dominated by Haole’s (Whites).

Alaska will probably be independent, but likely as a Russian protectorate.

Again, this all just my opinion.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 10:47 AM  

Germans hate us way too little for that to be realistic.

Germany was once a haven for the Jews of Europe. That ended well.

Tommy, you put great store in your assertion that you were invited into Germany, but if the invitation was valid, any revocation of that permission is equally valid. So what is the proper method for dealing with a guest who refuses to leave? Do the trains still run on time?

Anonymous Logo November 18, 2014 10:48 AM  

@VD

So here is the thought. ...

While your thought is certainly possibly true of some small portion of the Israeli-supporting Jewish population, it doesn't seem to me that the majority of them have any kind of intention to provoke pro-ethnic cleansing sentiments among the western peoples.

I say this because it seems to me that most Jews support open-borders policies for the west as purely a defensive measure on behalf of their own people. And that any calls for ethnic cleansing in the west would be seen as a threat to Jews.

I come to this conclusion by considering immigration in light of the thing that has become for secular Jews the cornerstone of their collective culture's modern mythology. I refer, of course, to the Holocaust.

Now the Holocaust was carried out by Nazis, and as a result, Jews hate Nazism. And they see Nazism as being but the latest poisoned fruit to drop from the bubonic branches of a vast tree of western antisemitism, whose roots reach back through the centuries and through all the countries of Europe. Western antisemitism is seen as something deeply ingrained, continually recurrent, and deadly to the Jewish people.

So quite naturally Jews take measures to try and prevent any resurgence of it. Now, what do most people associate Nazism with, if not white racial nationalism?

You can't have white racial nationalism if your nation state is composed of persons of a thousand different nonwhite nationalities. Nazism - or any nationalism among westerners of any nation - becomes politically impossible when the politics are decided by mass election dominated by blacks, Mexicans, and Asians.

Why else do Jews get bothered by closed borders in white western countries, but have little to say when such policies are enacted by nonwhites?

So we in the west get the usual refrain from Jews: Diversity is good! Diversity is a strength! Diversity is what makes the Middle-East so peaceful! It's got what plants crave! or something along those lines. We're told we must open our borders, and not doing so makes us racist. This is done ultimately to keep us from becoming antisemitic, to protect the Jewish people.

Meanwhile the same Jews support the right of Israel to restrict immigration. Again, what's best for the Jewish people.

I don't think the majority of Jews will ever support any sort of ethnic cleansing here in the west, for this reason. Speak of ethnic cleansing, and prison camps and Star-of-David armbands spring up in their mind. The fear so many of them have for Hitler, for antisemitism, for anything even resembling white nationalism - makes this plan seem impossible, to me.

But I suppose only time will tell.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 10:49 AM  

Do the trains still run on time?

Tommy, be careful if they tell you to take a shower!

Anonymous The other skeptic November 18, 2014 10:51 AM  

Do the trains still run on time?

In my experience they do ... and they seemed to be building some sort of large ovens when I was there last.

Anonymous Michael Falk: Autistic Reporter November 18, 2014 10:54 AM  

What's this about trains?

Anonymous The other skeptic November 18, 2014 11:02 AM  

and they seemed to be building some sort of large ovens when I was there last.

My mistake. They were coal-fired power plants.

Hmmm ... I wonder ... nah, they wouldn't lie about power plant furnaces, surely.

Blogger Dewave November 18, 2014 11:06 AM  

"The Battle of Lepanto was a moral blow, but didn't change the balance of power. The Battle of Vienna did."

It absolutely did. Before Lepanto the Ottoman Empire was continually expanding west across the med and their fleet enjoyed great success. After Lepanto that all changed.Was there ever afterwards a 'reverse Lepanto' where the entire Ottoman fleet engaged the entire allied fleets and sank them?

Anonymous Trial by Fire November 18, 2014 11:15 AM  

So, IV Reich it is. Better than International Socialism. Hell, Putin already sounds like a leader of the party.
Will the Anglos get the gas chamber propaganda right this time and at least get some Zyklon B traces on the walls?

Anonymous Bob November 18, 2014 11:19 AM  

A most interesting thread.

This Tommy guy seems to believe he belongs here but has kept almost all his attitudes and biases from his former homeland and is challenging us to do anything about it, a really bad idea.. Seems he still wants to be a Muslim, but in a new America that is totally open to his way of thinking and life and that we should just accept it all without a peep. He says - more or less - that his old country is not being run to his satisfaction so he does not want to return there. Too damn bad.

If that's his position today, he'd better learn to become a couple of things quickly: -1) A solid American citizen and/or -2) if he wishers to remain a Muslim, a very quiet Muslim.

Blogger Dewave November 18, 2014 11:28 AM  

"Btw, I'm really interested in how the US are supposed to fall apart. What nations would emerge."

As always, along historical and cultural lines. New England, the South, etc. Or you may just get burning cities and a countryside in revolt. A large portion of the southwest will doubtless go back to Mexico.

Speaking of which, that offers one of the clearest examples of invasion by immigration. Mexico let in a lot of American settlers, who did not assimilate at all, rebelled, and wound up taking not just Texas but a huge part of the rest of Mexico.

They probably consider the massive immigration into the US a delightful bit of poetic justice.

Note that Mexico let in all these American settlers because they were broke and needed more people to help repel Indian raids, provide rax revenue, etc. Once the US settlers began to greatly outnumber the actual Mexicans in Texas, Mexico banned further immigration, but US settlers continued to flood across the border illegally. Santa Anna attempted disarm the Texan militias, and we all know what happened next. Mexico wound up having vast territory forcibly stolen from them, all because they let in several thousand immigrants.

You would think history would inform our current immigration debate, but apparently not.

Letting in a huge influx of immigrants to solve your desparate problems has never worked out well.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 11:30 AM  

What about places like Oregon, Washington, Colorado etc. They seem more like NYC and New England rather than Wyoming, Kansas etc

Only the coastal urban areas in Oregon and Washington, and the Ivory Tower academic towns of Boulder and Denver, to some degree.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 11:31 AM  

Mr. Tommy Hass:

You posted in part:

"Name one Islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades.

I was thinking. Did not Muslim Albania attack Christian Serbia during the break up of Yugoslavia? And did not NATO intervene on behalf of the Muslims and against the Christians?

Or am I missing something?

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Blogger Feather Blade November 18, 2014 11:31 AM  

In Oregon and Washington, the coastal urban areas may remain loyal to the US government, but the areas east of the Cascade ranges, I don’t know.

The area between the Cascades and the Rockies (which includes north Idaho) is mostly rural agrarian with several universities, and (despite that) quite conservative,. I expect that the coastal cites would try to keep this area under their control, because Hanford and all of the Snake and Columbia River hydroelectric dams, but on the other hand, rural agrarian in means "armed", and there has been some effort, in Seattle especially, to disarm the populace, so I don't know how successful control efforts would be.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 11:33 AM  

As always, along historical and cultural lines. New England, the South, etc. Or you may just get burning cities and a countryside in revolt. A large portion of the southwest will doubtless go back to Mexico.

No it won't. Mexico is essentially a failed state right now, lurching along due to inertia. There's no way that it would be in a position to grab even unmoored portions of the US, as long as an armed, white populace continues to inhabit it.

It'll get ugly as gang violence from Mexico clash with impromptu white/American militias, but I'm betting on that swinging towards a more decisive Second War of Texas Independence (or Mexican American War, if you'd rather call it that) before it's all said and done. The Mexican state on the other hand, is unlikely to effectively do anything at all.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 18, 2014 11:49 AM  

Tommy Hass
The Battle of Lepanto was a moral blow, but didn't change the balance of power. The Battle of Vienna did.

Which one are you referring to?

Anonymous Michael November 18, 2014 11:57 AM  

Josh, "Tommy, be careful if they tell you to take a shower!"

Ernst Zundel published a book titled Did Six Million Really Die?, in reference to the holocaust (specifically the non-existence of gas chambers), and was subsequently prosecuted under Toronto's ancient "false news" legal code, in an attempt to silence him. Ernst put the holocaust on trial as his defense, which meant that survivors and historical experts were cross-examined and their testimony scrutinized. This trail proved that there was something very wrong with the stories about the holocaust, riddled with blatant falsehoods and contradictions.

Ernst won his case, so they put him on trial again. His second defensive strategy was to subject the gas chambers to forensic scrutiny. The result: none of the experts could prove that anyone had ever been gassed to death. As you can imagine, Ernst was subjected to random physical attacks in public, even a pipe bomb being set off at his home. The Canadian government, incapable of convicting him, extradited him to Germany where they have laws in place to make questioning the holocaust a crime. As you can imagine, the holocaust industry got its way and he was sentenced to prison, just for questioning an historical account. No other event in human history is protected by force of law from public scrutiny. Think about that.

Meanwhile, Judaism's role in the Bolshevik revolution, which resulted in over 60 million dead, continues to be concealed from the public. It's deplorable!

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 12:01 PM  

Michael Falk: Autistic Reporter November 18, 2014 10:54 AM
What's this about trains?



the train is fine, Michael.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 12:07 PM  

You can't have white racial nationalism if your nation state is composed of persons of a thousand different nonwhite nationalities. Nazism - or any nationalism among westerners of any nation - becomes politically impossible when the politics are decided by mass election dominated by blacks, Mexicans, and Asians.

Which does tend to point to the Jewish tendency to be short-sighted and reactive. If they had any historical perspective of any culture but their own, they would understand that what sparks violent nationalism, white or otherwise, is excessive invasion by non-nationals. And if they've supported those invasions, well, they will merit getting swept up in it.

I suppose I just found it very difficult to believe they were dumb enough to genuinely believe that importing quantities of Asians and Muslims that would outnumber them was a good idea for them. Apparently I was wrong. I mean, Israel has been heavily dependent upon US money; do they think the Chinese or the Arabs are going to pay their bills?

Also, in relative terms, Israeli bubbles make ours look modest. It's pretty clear that once the US stops funding them, they will blow themselves up with debt again.

Anonymous ZhukovG November 18, 2014 12:11 PM  

Ernst Zundel was convicted by jury in both Canadian trials, the convictions were overturned first on technicality and second because the conviction violated the right of self expression according to the Canadian Supreme Court. Not because his ridiculous arguments had any merit whatsoever.

Blogger Desdichado November 18, 2014 12:13 PM  

I was thinking. Did not Muslim Albania attack Christian Serbia during the break up of Yugoslavia? And did not NATO intervene on behalf of the Muslims and against the Christians?

Or am I missing something?


You're not missing anything. And under a 4GW paradigm, the question is the wrong one anyway. Has there been ethnic violence committed by Muslims against non-Muslims in the West (or elsewhere outside the middle east?) Sure, tons of it.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 12:14 PM  

VD November 18, 2014 12:07 PM
I suppose I just found it very difficult to believe they were dumb enough



once again, listen to the East Ramapo school board meeting excerpts.

they're more "low cunning" than intelligent. and regardless of measured IQ, extremely foolish.

Blogger Nate November 18, 2014 12:21 PM  

On the Israeli military... This jives with me estimations of the vaunted undeatable IDF. I note that their greatest triumph.... the 6 days war... quite nearly ended in total disaster.

Sure... they did great against a bunch of arabs. But they when they went against he egyptians they quite nearly got themselves killed.

It was american intelligence that saved them and nothing else. They were charging right into a classic pincher trap and were totally oblivious. if not for american intelligence giving them a heads up... its likely a huge chunk of the IDF would've been wiped out.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 12:25 PM  

Sam, Shimshon (and any other Israeli Ilk), what is the opinion of Israeli Jews re: multiculturalism, immigration, etc. in the U.S.? One would think that, given how multiculturalism and immigration in particular have resulted in less U.S. support for Israel and outright hostility (see, e.g. pro-Palestinian academia, nominally Christian churches demanding dis-investment in Israeli companies, the election of an openly anti-Israeli President, etc.) that they would generally oppose such policies and try to convince some of their brethren in the U.S. to stop pushing for such policies. Or are Israelis short-sighted enough to either not care or believe that those are fine policies outside Israel?

Anonymous Nope November 18, 2014 12:38 PM  

Did not Muslim Albania attack Christian Serbia during the break up of Yugoslavia? And did not NATO intervene on behalf of the Muslims and against the Christians?

No, Albania did not attack Serbia.

The Serbs were cleansing the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo (a province in Yugoslavia). NATO intervened to stop that cleansing.

Anonymous Nope November 18, 2014 12:42 PM  

I note that their greatest triumph.... the 6 days war... quite nearly ended in total disaster.

Sure... they did great against a bunch of arabs. But they when they went against he egyptians they quite nearly got themselves killed.

It was american intelligence that saved them and nothing else. They were charging right into a classic pincher trap and were totally oblivious. if not for american intelligence giving them a heads up... its likely a huge chunk of the IDF would've been wiped out.


This is total bullshit from end to end.

Anonymous 11B November 18, 2014 12:43 PM  

The Serbs were cleansing the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo (a province in Yugoslavia). NATO intervened to stop that cleansing.

What ethnic cleansing? There was no ethnic cleansing going on in Kosovo prior to the NATO bombing campaign.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 12:44 PM  

Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 8:11 AM
Name one islamic country that attacked a western ones in the recent decades. Protip: you can't.



lying liars gonna lie. it's what they do.

it's funniest of all that a muslim TURK is asserting this lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus#1974_coup.2C_Turkish_invasion_and_division



Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 9:57 AM
My rejection of theocracy, I believe might make me or people like me palatable to the German population.



should it come to wide scale expulsions, the Germans are not going to be bothering with niceties like conducting surveys to sieve the secular vs Sharia muslims.

you're ALL going to go.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 12:47 PM  

11B November 18, 2014 12:43 PM
What ethnic cleansing?


the attempted ethnic cleansing by muslims vs the Kosovo Serbs. acts of arson, attacks against ethnic Serbs and general expected muslim hooliganism is why the Serbs went into Kosovo in the first place.

but, of course, that was "non-State" action. so we can't hold any muslims responsible for that.

so, i guess we have to hold ALL muslims responsible for it?

Anonymous What Difference Does It Make?!! November 18, 2014 12:50 PM  

And if I assess two probabilities, namely, those exceptional Jews having a long game that involves a) something incredibly unlikely (the extermination of the European race) and b) something that has happened before (a second Reconquista), then I have to say that (b)

Either way, the strategy is that of Tension and Destabilization by the ________ to effect the more desired outcome of ________.

Money
Good/Ill for the West

Anonymous Why Was Adolph an Anti-Semite? November 18, 2014 12:54 PM  

Untrammeled immigration is the cover for Jewish infiltration into any society.

When Judaism was outlawed in Catholic Spain in the middle ages for Judaizing Christian Spaniards, many "converted" to Catholicism and became known as Conversos or Marranos. While some converts were considered genuine, the Inquisitors who were charged with finding out which Jews were still practicing their Religion, would often simply ascend any town tower and observe which houses had smoke from cooking fires on Saturdays (the Jewish Sabbath) and which ones did not to figure out which Marranos were still practicing Judaism and which Conversos appeared to have genuinely converted to Catholicism. Cosmopolitan race and culture mixing provides cover for infiltration and subversion of the host country.

It is also why one of the first things Hitler did when he came to power was to force all the Jews to wear identifying arm bands. Jews are notorious for changing their Yiddish and Hebrew names to blend in with a native populace.

Under this cover, Jews are particularly fond of employing "White Libel."

For instance, research into the Slave Trade reveals that the majority of the Eastern Seaboard Ship Owners of the slave ships that went to Africa and returned with their chattel to sell to Southern plantations, were all owned by Jews. They often hired white, Christian named Captains and crews, but all the financing of the entire operation of American slavery was primarily Jewish.

But the Jew run press and mass media and public schooling curriculum has spent over a century instilling guilt and self-recrimination in White Americans for the crime of enslaving the blacks.

This is standard operating procedure for "the chosen race."

It is for this precise reason that Hitler developed his own form of anti-Semitic world view.

"I began then to investigate carefully the names of all the fabricators of these unclean products in public cultural life. The result of that inquiry was still more disfavourable to the attitude which I had hitherto held in regard to the Jews. Though my feelings might rebel a thousand time, reason now had to draw its own conclusions. The fact that nine-tenths of all the smutty literature, artistic tripe and theatrical banalities, had to be charged to the account of people who formed scarcely one per cent of the nation – that fact could not be gainsaid. It was there, and had to be admitted." - Mein Kampf, Vol.1 Ch.2

In other words, Hitler thought nothing of "The Jewish Question" until he closely examined the influence in moral depravity and anti-nationalism the Jewish-controlled press promoted.

Things are not so different in 21st century America now, are they?

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 1:01 PM  

Wow, a big fun Israel post with so much good stuff and I come to it late. Ah well.

Hearkening back to the original post, I too find it hard to believe in these 'aikidoistic' theories of mass social change. Where a mass movement is created in order to spark a bigger, better mass movement to crush it, and in so doing achieve the goal of the people who faked that original mass movement. On tvtropes.org, it's called the Xanatos Gambit.

People definitely start competing movements to split support. And they infiltrate movements to hijack the direction. The closest example I can think of along these lines is infiltrating the militia movements in the US to get them to commit crimes so the Feds can then crack down on the militia movement... to the point where the militia guys could always tell who the FBI undercover agent was because he was always the one trying to get them to set fires or blow something up.

But this intuition of suckering the West into accepting immigration until they get mad and fight immigration so that Israel can cleanse Gaza and the West Bank and take it back; it's very close to something I read on a goofy Holocaust denying website where the intuition was that the Jews tricked Hitler and the Nazis and the Germans into killing them (and other undesirables) so they could have the moral high ground to create Israel. Somehow, getting 4.5-6 million of your own people killed on a gambit that might not pay off doesn't seem very clever, short, medium, or long term.

I find Zionism to be a much better example of a mass movement. One exceptional man sparks others and builds a group. Others are called or flock to his banner. They attack the problem on all fronts; intellectually in the periodicals of the day, monetarily with supporters, personally with an immigrant invasion, and eventually militarily with necessary defense groups. They suffer setbacks, attacks, splits. They also receive support both small and large, and are quick to jump on every advantageous situation because their goal is clear. No trickery involved.

Anonymous Robard November 18, 2014 1:04 PM  

This is a very astute observation. As a white South African I've been simultaneously bemused by and cheering on third world immigration into the West, the latter precisely so that other whites can truly understand the grotesqueness of multicult ideology.

Anonymous paradox November 18, 2014 1:05 PM  

Hazim

Awaken to the news that Filistines attack Yahudis in a Synagogue with knives and axes, Israel to loosen restrictions on firearms for self - defense.


You're kidding right? Israeli gun shop owners call American gun owners barbarians for not supporting strict gun control.

“Those people over there [United States] are barbarians when it comes to weapons, the situation there is insane...” said Yiftach Ben-Yehuda

Anonymous Samuel Scott November 18, 2014 1:21 PM  

Sam, Shimshon (and any other Israeli Ilk), what is the opinion of Israeli Jews re: multiculturalism, immigration, etc. in the U.S.?

Israelis, to be frank, aren't too concerned about the domestic politics of other countries. We've got enough to worry about -- like the two Arabs who entered a Jerusalem synagogue this morning with axes and guns and shot and hacked people to death. Four dead, six or seven injured.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 1:33 PM  

Somehow, getting 4.5-6 million of your own people killed on a gambit that might not pay off doesn't seem very clever, short, medium, or long term.

Of course not. But we're not talking about that. And leading the charge for the importation of some 150 million people, many of whom hate you, into the West where you live doesn't strike me as a stroke of genius either.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 1:34 PM  

Israelis, to be frank, aren't too concerned about the domestic politics of other countries.

Then short-sighted it is.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 1:36 PM  

Israelis, to be frank, aren't too concerned about the domestic politics of other countries.

Please, Sam. You know perfectly well that the Israelis are obsessively interested in the US elections. They are front page news in Israel.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 1:39 PM  

"We've got enough to worry about -- like the two Arabs who entered a Jerusalem synagogue this morning with axes and guns and shot and hacked people to death. Four dead, six or seven injured."

@Samuel Scott

Omeyn. We are reciting Tehillim and b'rachos for the families. May Hashem strengthen and comfort you and especially the four widows and twenty-four orphans left behind on this very sad day. Shalom aleichem

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 1:40 PM  

And leading the charge for the importation of some 150 million people, many of whom hate you, into the West where you live doesn't strike me as a stroke of genius either.

Well, it's not like they've actually living near any of the areas that have been blessed with vibrancy, at least in the USA.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 1:43 PM  

Israelis, to be frank, aren't too concerned about the domestic politics of other countries.

Given that Bibi and Mitt are best friends, I'm skeptical...

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 1:48 PM  

"If that's his position today, he'd better learn to become a couple of things quickly: -1) A solid American citizen and/or -2) if he wishers to remain a Muslim, a very quiet Muslim."

1. I don't live in America.
2. I am already very quiet. Lol.

"lying liars gonna lie. it's what they do.

it's funniest of all that a muslim TURK is asserting this lie."

Except the areas they invaded were Turkish. And the international community agreed with the invasion. Do you not know your history?

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 1:52 PM  

"
Omeyn. We are reciting Tehillim and b'rachos for the families. May Hashem strengthen and comfort you and especially the four widows and twenty-four orphans left behind on this very sad day. Shalom aleichem"

24 orphans? Are they rabbits?

While I oppose people getting slaughtered in their own place of worship, this is peanuts compared to what the kikes have done to their victims.

Those Palestinians are stupid though. Did they not hear of the "Do no one a small injury" principle? Israel won't grow weaker because of this, but it will manipulate public opnion against them. It is bad not from a moral but also strategic 4GW principle.

Anonymous Nope November 18, 2014 1:56 PM  

What ethnic cleansing? There was no ethnic cleansing going on in Kosovo prior to the NATO bombing campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Horseshoe

Anonymous Corvinus November 18, 2014 1:59 PM  

But after reading more about Israel, I'm not so sure that is the true target. The Chinese are probably a more dangerous long-term competitor than the Europeans and there are no similar anti-Chinese campaigns on that front.

My theory is that it's due to anti-Christian animus -- or, at least, an anti-high-IQ Christian one -- not an anti-goy animus as such. Jews never bug the Chinese and Japanese to accept immigrants because they're not Christians and never have been.

This would also explain why Jews tend to despise Evangelical Christian Zionists, even though the latter love Jews (as shown by a recent Pew Forum report)... because the Evangelicals are both Christian, and put the Jews on a pedestal and suck up to them. Nobody respects suckups, especially when the suckups don't benefit from doing it.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 2:01 PM  

"And leading the charge for the importation of some 150 million people, many of whom hate you, into the West where you live doesn't strike me as a stroke of genius either."

We are having an agreement party. :) Whatever the goal, (electoral supremacy, money, import your support are also ones commonly discussed here) the maneuver is dumb.

On the topic of Jewish reaction to Christians, part of it is the element of 'resistance to change.' If someone tries to sell with with a push, the target pulls back. If someone tries to sell with a pull, the target pushes.

Judaism is a non-proselytizing religion, while Christianity is. Christianity is by definition designed perfectly for Jews to step into to. Yet, proselytizing is a push, or a pull, and any target will naturally resist it as an attack upon the self, or the individuality, or the self-image.

History states that this was once done by the sword, and that historical memory is long with the Jews. Nowadays, the Christians are just so darn nice about it by comparison, and as was just mentioned, their arguments are in fact perfectly designed for Jews given the sun source.

I will add as a personal experience that to a greater or lesser degree, when I am personally subjected to Christian proselytizing of one kind or another, I often have the sensation of 'five more and I get a free toaster!' The feeling of being targeted as that kind of goal in a negative fashion, rather than in the positive fashion that it is no doubt meant.

I like your style of proselytizing best, as it doesn't push or pull.

Anonymous Holy Martyr Goldstein November 18, 2014 2:11 PM  

While I oppose people getting slaughtered in their own place of worship, this is peanuts compared to what the kikes have done to their victims.

One wonders how many Israeli's and Jews world wide offered similar sentiments to the widows and orphans left behind by Baruch Goldstein's massacre of unarmed Palestinians worshiping in a mosque back in '94.

Let's see what the Rabbi's had to say at his funeral:

Rabbi Israel Ariel: "The holy martyr Baruch Goldstein is from now on our intercessor in heaven."

Rabbi Rabbi Yaacov Perrin: "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

Rabbi Meir Kahane's Kach Party distributed a book in praise of Goldstein. The four — Michael Ben-Chorin, Netanel Uzari, Yoel Lerner, and Yosef Dayan —issued the book in honor of Goldstein, Baruch Hagever ('The Blessed Man").

In that book, it includes an article written by Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg which "sings the praises" of the killer and calls Goldstein, a "saint." Ginsburg declares in Baruch Hagever that what Goldstein did in murdering the unarmed Palestinian civilians at
their house of worship, constitutes, "a fulfillment of a number of commands of
Jewish religious law... Among his good deeds, as enumerated, are... taking revenge on non-Jews, extermination of the non-Jews who are from the seed of Amalek... and the sanctification of the Holy Name.'

From this American Goyim, sure looks like what we have here is a cycle of violence.

When will it ever end?

Anonymous Samuel Scott November 18, 2014 2:17 PM  

Vox,

Please, Sam. You know perfectly well that the Israelis are obsessively interested in the US elections. They are front page news in Israel.

I said domestic politics for a reason. I was referring to domestic issues as opposed to foreign ones. Israelis, of course, care about elections and whatever as far as how it will affect U.S. foreign policy, but they don't care about, say, same-sex marriage or abortion or whatever.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 2:20 PM  

"One wonders how many Israeli's and Jews world wide offered similar sentiments to the widows and orphans left behind by Baruch Goldstein's massacre of unarmed Palestinians worshiping in a mosque back in '94."

We don't know. I was just expressing sentiments to Samuel Scott. Nothing more. Perhaps a private email was more appropriate.

FWIW There is this excerpt, related to the event you referenced:

In the United Kingdom, Chief Rabbi Dr. Jonathan Sacks stated,

Such an act is an obscenity and a travesty of Jewish values. That it should have been perpetrated against worshippers in a house of prayer at a holy time makes it a blasphemy as well... Violence is evil. Violence committed in the name of God is doubly evil. Violence against those engaged in worshipping God is unspeakably evil.

A poll of 500 Israeli adults for the International Centre for Peace in the Middle East found that 78.8 percent of people condemned the Hebron massacre while 3.6 percent praised Goldstein.


Blogger Shimshon November 18, 2014 2:21 PM  

Vox, Israelis indeed aren't too concerned about the domestic POLICIES of other nations. They are concerned with politics, particularly US politics, to the degree said politics affects Israel.

Were Israelis polled, I imagine most would express wonder at the insanely lax immigration policies of both major parties in the US. Otherwise, not really their concern.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 2:36 PM  

I was referring to domestic issues as opposed to foreign ones. Israelis, of course, care about elections and whatever as far as how it will affect U.S. foreign policy

Israelis indeed aren't too concerned about the domestic POLICIES of other nations. They are concerned with politics, particularly US politics, to the degree said politics affects Israel.

As I pointed out, the U.S. domestic policies of multiculturalism and immigration observably and negatively affect U.S. policy towards Israel. The importation of millions of Muslims who are openly hostile to Israel along with tens of millions of Mexicans and Central American Hispanics who are, at best, indifferent to Israel (and both groups are reliably leftist) has a rather direct effect on U.S. policy towards Israel. Along with the openly anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian multicultural leftist domination of academia, liberal Christian churches, and the Democratic Party, only an idiot could fail to see that these "domestic" policies have a great influence on U.S. foreign policy towards Israel.

Blogger Whiskey November 18, 2014 2:39 PM  

One of your dumber posts Vox. First, as you note Israelis cannot agree on anything. And second, Israeli public opinion has only recently swung right. As of 2000, for example, there was great support for Labor's Peace Deal. Why?

Israel is a tiny country, that cannot physically and financially sustain a long struggle. Voters don't like sons dying in wars or combat. Israel desperately wanted peace, not for upstanding moral reasons (no people act that way) but out of solid self-interest. Don't forget, Labor dominated most of the Israeli governments until recently.

What changed was Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza and nothing but rockets afterwards. The rocket attacks personally impacting most voters change Israeli minds. Even so there is still about 20% of Israelis wanting some sort of peace deal. And there is legal / court opposition to Israel's border fences and deportation actions.

Indeed the new mood in Israel is one of not trusting or requiring permission from the US. If anything, the election twice of Barack Obama makes Jews in Israel view the US as hostile, not committed to protection but their eventual annihilation (led by a Black man, how could they view it otherwise?)

The overwhelming desire of Israelis is protection/security, given the huge amounts of Muslims who want to kill them next door. Why would they "work" to get anti-White/anti-Israeli politicians elected in the West -- sure to screw over their security? [Labor governments of their own accord forbid large scale development in the West Bank to secure some "deal" giving Israel security in the way trading Sinai got it from the Egyptians.]

Looking for a Jew behind the West's self-destruction is a fool's game of belief in magic. Its the mark of stupid people unwilling and unable to see the obvious -- the confluence of cheap labor / expensive land oligarchs present in the West since at least Andrew Carnegie (enthusiastic proponent of open immigration giving him a cheap labor force); White women fed up with White guys for not being sexy and wanting sexy domination by Muslims/Blacks and babysitting jobs giving moral lectures to Third World immigrants; and the self-loathing, "original sin" nature of Christianity and its idiotic one-world utopianism.

Rather than Jews one ought to look at the Catholic Church, which has consistently promoted mass Third World immigration, even of violently non-Christian Muslims, to the West. Pope Francis is the poster child for anti-Western, anti-White, anti-Christian actions, from gay marriage (he's for it even if the cardinals are not), divorce, pre-marital sex, and of course, lots and lots of Muslims in Italy and other parts of Europe.

American/Western Jews lose by mass Third World immigration -- they get purged sooner or later by Muslims and Africans. You don't see Jews flocking to Pakistan or Sierra Leone now do you? And import enough people from those places and America and Europe will turn into those places.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 2:42 PM  

Moldbuggery is still just buggery

Blogger Whiskey November 18, 2014 2:43 PM  

Occam's Butterknife has to conclude that a baroque, generations long, ultra-secret conspiracy by Jews world-wide "proves Hitler Right."

Occam's Razor says Jews are as affected by Christian values of one-world utopias, racial original sin, and the like as well as Oligarch cheap labor and White women's HATE HATE HATE for Beta White Males as they are prone to celebrating Christmas, eating bacon, and serving candy and easter eggs on Easter.

Blogger hank.jim November 18, 2014 2:54 PM  

If I believe Israeli fingers are on the illegal immigration advocacy, it makes no sense as it will only defeat Israeli interests in the long run. It is neither nearsighted or farsighted as there is no short or long term benefit to Israel.

It is clear that rich Hollywood Jews support illegal immigration and I don't know if their interests align with Israel. I would think not.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 2:57 PM  

White women fed up with White guys for not being sexy and wanting sexy domination by Muslims/Blacks

Are you literally retarded?

Repeating the sexy black penis thing doesn't make it true.

According to the Pew report, more than 25 percent of Hispanics and Asians who married in 2010 had a spouse of a different race. That's compared to 17.1 percent of blacks and 9.4 percent of whites. Of the 275,500 new interracial marriages in 2010, 43 percent were white-Hispanic couples, 14.4 percent were white-Asian, 11.9 percent were white-black, and the remainder were other combinations.

So...whites have the lowest percentage of interracial marriages...

Shut up whiskey.

Anonymous Abie Gefiltefish November 18, 2014 2:59 PM  

Israeli Jews (Ivrit) are different in character and quality than Jews living in Exile among the goyim (Yehudon). The Israeli character was deliberately engineered during successive waves of migration to Israel. They stomped the "yid" (Yehudon) out of the Jewish soul and replaced it with the New Hebrew Man (Ivrit).

The only good single non-ideological source for this process I have found is Etan Bloom's dissertation, "Arthur Ruppin and the Production of the Modern Hebrew Culture" [Google the free PDF online].

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 2:59 PM  

Rather than Jews one ought to look at the Catholic Church, which has consistently promoted mass Third World immigration, even of violently non-Christian Muslims, to the West. Pope Francis is the poster child for anti-Western, anti-White, anti-Christian actions, from gay marriage (he's for it even if the cardinals are not), divorce, pre-marital sex, and of course, lots and lots of Muslims in Italy and other parts of Europe.

Hey look, we're back to fighting over EVIL JOOS and EVIL PAPISTS...

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 3:06 PM  

Nope November 18, 2014 1:56 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Horseshoe


so you're agreeing that there was NO ethnic cleansing intended by the Serbs? to quote your own source:
"the Bulgarian analysis concluded that the goal of the Serbian military was to destroy the Kosovo Liberation Army, and not to expel the entire Albanian population."

notice also, that as i said, the whole incident WAS INDUCED BY MUSLIM TERRORIST ACTIONS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army
"The Yugoslav Red Cross had estimated a total of 30,000 refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) from Kosovo, most of whom were Serb. The UNHCR estimated the figure at 55,000 refugees who had fled to Montenegro and Central Serbia, most of whom were Kosovo Serbs:
“ Over 90 mixed villages in Kosovo have now been emptied of Serb inhabitants and other Serbs continue leaving, either to be displaced in other parts of Kosovo or fleeing into central Serbia."

so, whatever 'ethnic cleansing' the Serbs actually did was perfectly justified as retaliation to the ethnic cleansing which had already been carried out by the Albanians.




Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 1:48 PM
Except the areas they invaded were Turkish. ... Do you not know your history?



isn't it funny? how every time the Muslims are responsible for violent ( attempted ) seizure of territory, Tommy is completely okay with it? but any time kaffirs violently take BACK the violently seized territory, Tommy loses his shit?

yeah, i thought so too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus#Cyprus_under_the_Ottoman_Empire

the problem wasn't that the Greek Cypriots were trying to rejoin Greece. it's that the British left any Turks on the island in the first place when the Ottomans declared for the Central Powers in WW1.



Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 3:33 PM  

"isn't it funny? how every time the Muslims are responsible for violent ( attempted ) seizure of territory, Tommy is completely okay with it? but any time kaffirs violently take BACK the violently seized territory, Tommy loses his shit?"

Greeks in Cyprus engaged in violence against the Turks. The animus was greeks against Turks rather than the reverse. Later, there was a coup in Greece. Followed by a military coup in Cyprus. They wanted to fuse Cyprus and Greece.

Why on earth WOULDN'T Turks prevent their co ethnics being exposed to maniacal, militarist psychos?

Back then people agreed with turkey. They only complained when Turks didn't leave in time and had overly strong demands to protect Turkish cypriots.

Anonymous bolo-toto November 18, 2014 3:39 PM  

What is Israel? That is the "State of" (circa 1948/1949) .. Well, it could be best apt to suggest it is this:

Israel which is the personal action-agent nation state established by the Rothschild family for their own World Zionist haven and location of the World Ruler they have planned to appoint for centuries.

Or it could described as this:

Israel which is a purely Freemasonic state set up by the Rothschilds as their own personal haven, main action-agent, and means to start wars and destabilize the Mideast and foment false-flag terror.

Take your pick ..

Of course, "With “Satanic Zombies” BiBi Netanyahu our new president and “Hanoi John” McCain running America’s military, you can’t have enough guns."

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 3:41 PM  


Greeks in Cyprus engaged in violence against the Turks


Turks who shouldn't have been there in the first place. Unless you want to claim they were "invited".

Anonymous Angry November 18, 2014 3:41 PM  

Or maybe Jews promote mass immigration as a tool to empty out the Middle East so that Israel can be safe. The wars are designed to spark a refugee crisis. The refugees go to Europe and America. The Middle East empties out, creating a safe living space for Jews. The European and American Jews take their ill-gotten gains, activate their dual citizenship and move to Israel.

The rest of us are left with the consequences of the Jews' engineered population transfer.

Anonymous VD November 18, 2014 3:46 PM  

White women fed up with White guys for not being sexy and wanting sexy domination by Muslims/Blacks

Just because you have homosexual jungle fever doesn't mean all white women are interested in Black Muslims, Whiskey. Your fascination with a nonexistent fetish says considerably more about you than it does about anything else.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 3:52 PM  

Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 3:33 PM
Greeks in Cyprus engaged in violence against the Turks.



HOW did the Turks get onto Cyprus, Tommy? do you History?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 3:52 PM  

bolo-toto

Hey dread, when's Bernanke going to be arrested?

When am I going to get my share of the wanta money?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 3:54 PM  

Just because you have homosexual jungle fever doesn't mean all white women are interested in Black Muslims, Whiskey. Your fascination with a nonexistent fetish says considerably more about you than it does about anything else.

Whiskey ain't gay, he jus on dat down low.

Anonymous bolo-toto November 18, 2014 3:58 PM  

Hey look, we're back to fighting over EVIL JOOS and EVIL PAPISTS...

They are basically one and the same (one follows the other):

Jews and Jesuits

Preston James, Ph.D
November 17, 2014 - 12:45 am


I contribute here as Klaatu Aquinus ..

Some here apparently still don't get it. Or, simply don't want to get it ..

Does it take a Ph.D clinical psychologist, of some 35+ years practice, who specialized in the assistance, of debriefing and counseling of intelligence agents to convince you? One of which, is probably this nation's premier super secret agent, in its entire history, to include that of the original Totten Doctrine secret agent ..

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 18, 2014 4:07 PM  

Does it take a Ph.D clinical psychologist, of some 35+ years practice

Appeal to Authority

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 4:18 PM  

I think the Jews are better at math than that, Angry. Too many Arab/Muslims for that to work.

Blogger Unknown November 18, 2014 4:26 PM  

"Turks who shouldn't have been there in the first place."

Turks conquered the place in the 16th century.

Seriously, you're an unprincipled bunch of liars that switch their rules from one moment to the next.

I wonder why the same thing doesn't apply to Israel. Hmmm.....

Anonymous Wyrd November 18, 2014 4:43 PM  

Slightly OT:

Bless those nice Muslims spreading peace and order in the US:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/muslim-groups-seek-to-co-opt-ferguson-protests-says-watchdog-group/

Like Tommy's Turks, they all good boys dat di'nt do nuffins.

Anonymous Corvinus November 18, 2014 4:46 PM  

Turks conquered the place in the 16th century.

Seriously, you're an unprincipled bunch of liars that switch their rules from one moment to the next.


Maybe you should become Christians, like the Hungarians did, rather than continuing to bury yourself in the Mormonism of the Middle East. None of us have trouble with Hungarians, and they basically did the same thing as Turks, only 500 years earlier.

Anonymous Stilicho November 18, 2014 5:01 PM  

Turks conquered the place in the 16th century.

But were they invited? Perhaps it's time to conquer Turkey and give it back to the Greeks.

Blogger RandalThorn November 18, 2014 5:12 PM  

Tomy Haas

[Except the areas they invaded were Turkish. And the international community agreed with the invasion. Do you not know your history?]

When was an area that was inhabited by Greeks for more than 3.000 years 'Turkish'?

Anonymous Student in Blue November 18, 2014 5:15 PM  

This post's hypothesis seems valid for the most part, and it certainly is not a conspiracy theory, in the definition that most people nowadays use it.

I think so far the hypothesis is certainly plausible that there are/were a couple of Israeli elite who see/saw the cultural instability intentionally brought by Frankfurt School (in an effort to bring about Marxian ideals) and a push for "free trade"/globalism (by greedy businessmen), and saw an opportunity for said "reconquista" to occur. It wouldn't require much from Israel as a nation to just keep pushing the narrative that "immigration is good!", but if there weren't such instability in the first place, I don't think they'd take that route.

As Jews are notorious for bickering amongst themselves, I think it would be a mistake to paint the whole thing as Israel (or a super-intelligent cabal) engineering globalism and cultural marxism in order to appropriate the US to retake their home. That level of engineering and lockstep requires a borg-like groupthink, or farsighted thought amongst everyone involved.

So in closing, yes, I think this is a plausible hypothesis, as long as it is kept in mind that Israel only needs a couple people with sufficient long-term planning in order to take advantage of the opportunity.

@Vox
If this hypothesis is correct, then we should see American Jewry gradually shifting from a pro-immigration position to a pro-deportation one.

Thing is, American Jews would shift from pro-immigrant to pro-deportation if there are rowdy immigrants in their neighborhood anyway. I don't see how this would give evidence towards your hypothesis.

Blogger CarpeOro November 18, 2014 5:25 PM  

"You're not missing anything. And under a 4GW paradigm, the question is the wrong one anyway. Has there been ethnic violence committed by Muslims against non-Muslims in the West (or elsewhere outside the middle east?) Sure, tons of it."

You only have to look at Dearborn Michigan. Christians who try to go there to talk about Christ regularly get assaulted. Muslims in other areas have protested the ringing of church bells at the same time requesting doing the daily prayer calls. That is why there will be no refuge for even "moderate" muslims in the USA.
Oh, when/if a breakup of the USA occurs, there will be no black micro-state around Detroit. Detroit has been pillaged to the point it is only sustained by the surrounding areas - which are predominantly white. When Detroit imploded a good portion of the white flight went to the surrounding area. Born in Detroit in 1965 and moved to the suburbs, I was part of it. Now of course I'm living near the north Chicago area barrio.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 5:38 PM  

Josh November 18, 2014 3:52 PM
When am I going to get my share of the wanta money?



even if every single thing Wanta says is true ... they can't afford to give him the money.

therefore, they will not.

therefore, waiting for Wanta money is less productive than beating your meat.

he, otoh, seems to be making a living off of peddling the story.



Tommy Hass November 18, 2014 4:26 PM
Turks conquered the place in the 16th century.
Seriously, you're an unprincipled bunch of liars that switch their rules from one moment to the next.


and murdered and ethnic cleansed a bunch of Greeks doing it.


i point out WHAT you're going to do ... and you immediately go ahead and do it.

even after i said you would.

you're also ignoring that the REASON Britain had control of the island was that Turkey was leasing Cyprus to England *under the condition that the British navy would protect Turk interests from Russia* in exchange for use of the port.

war comes and Turkey decides to go to war ... AGAINST the British? *facepalm*

by doing this, Turkey forfeited all claim to the island. as of WW1 it is now a British spoil of war, and England's to dispose of as it sees fit.

England saw fit to give it to the Cypriots. the Cypriots saw fit to try to join Greece. the Turks who, through their stupidity, no longer have a valid claim on the island, disagreed with a demoncratic decision ...

oh, you also said that the 'international community' doesn't have a problem with what Turkey did. making this a rather strange position:
"The international community considers the northern part of the island as territory of the Republic of Cyprus illegally occupied by Turkish forces."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

Blogger CarpeOro November 18, 2014 5:39 PM  

"Greeks in Cyprus engaged in violence against the Turks. The animus was greeks against Turks rather than the reverse. Later, there was a coup in Greece. Followed by a military coup in Cyprus. They wanted to fuse Cyprus and Greece. "

A rather edited account of history. Leaving out that at the time the British left Cyprus, Turks were what percentage of the population was Turkish? 25%? 35%? Turkish intervention to save the minority of Turks from becoming part of Greece being how much more beneficent because it was a Turkish dictatorship?

Blogger Dewave November 18, 2014 6:12 PM  

Absolutely no one but Turkey thinks what they did in Cyprus was OK - that is why Turkey is the only country to recognize the puppet rump state they set up in occupied cyprus after they invaded it in the 70's.

Ottoman claims to cyprus via conquest in the 16th century were obviously voided by the British conquest as a result of Ottoman collapse in WWI.

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2014 8:15 PM  

Mr. Whiskey:

You posted in part:

"Rather than Jews one ought to look at the Catholic Church, which has consistently promoted mass Third World immigration"

From the Fall of Jerusalem to the Reformation the Church approved the constitutions of over 100 military orders to stop mass migration. Reportedly these Orders were often the only standing troops in Christendom to oppose Islam. Some, like the Templars, suffered an estimated 100% casualties a year.

The Popes were personally involved in raising prayers, troops and funds for every significant Christian victory over the Muslims from Portiers to the 3-sieges of Vienna to Lepento.

In 2006 at Regenberg Pope Benedict quoted a Byzantine Emperor: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached"

It is no coincidence that the ISIS leadership constantly boasts that it is going to take Rome.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous zen0 November 18, 2014 8:31 PM  

@ Holy Martyr Goldstein

"One wonders how many Israeli's and Jews world wide offered similar sentiments to the widows and orphans left behind by Baruch Goldstein's massacre of unarmed Palestinians worshiping in a mosque back in '94."

Its actually better for the Israelis if you keep thinking Baruch Goldstein actually did the act and was a lone gunman. Just a regular Lee Harvey Oswald, yes?

Just keep repeating the official line. The Shabak will think of you fondly.

Anonymous Nope November 18, 2014 8:33 PM  

so you're agreeing that there was NO ethnic cleansing intended by the Serbs? to quote your own source:

No, dumbfuck, I do not agree with what that kraut general said about the operation. You'll note that's in the "controversy" section.

"According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, by March 1999 (prior to NATO bombing), more than 200,000 Albanian civilians were internally displaced, almost 70,000 Albanians had fled the province to neighboring countries and Montenegro, and a further 100,000 Yugoslav nationals, mostly Kosovar Albanians, had sought asylum in Western Europe."

This is ethnic cleansing, and it started BEFORE the NATO bombing.

whatever 'ethnic cleansing' the Serbs actually did was perfectly justified as retaliation to the ethnic cleansing which had already been carried out by the Albanians.

Sorry, moron, ethnic cleansing is NOT justified in "retaliation" for terrorism.

Yugoslavia is a signatory of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which forbids exactly the sort of behavior you claim they were "justified" in conducting.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 9:17 PM  

Nope November 18, 2014 8:33 PM
No, dumbfuck, I do not agree with what that kraut general said


since you appear to have no reading comprehension, i'll rephrase wikipedia for you:
the kraut general SAID this, but he was merely relaying the analysis of the Bulgarians.

you know the Bulgarians? they're the ones who provided the intelligence report?



Nope November 18, 2014 8:33 PM
Sorry, moron, ethnic cleansing is NOT justified in "retaliation" for terrorism.



oh? you have a better solution for stopping the ethnic cleansing via terrorism that the Albanians were engaged in? perhaps you'd like to share your wisdom with us?

besides, i think you'll find that people all over the planet are rapidly losing patience with "poor, peaceful muslim" argument. as Vox points out, it may not be much longer until mass expulsions start in a lot of places.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 18, 2014 9:31 PM  

oh, goody. Firestone was successful in completely stonewalling the Ebola outbreak on their Liberia rubber farm through extensive quarantine ...

so it must be time for NPR to run a hit piece on this reactionary company. tonight @ 10pm on your local PBS station:

http://stories.frontline.org/firestone

Blogger Herr Abubu November 18, 2014 10:06 PM  

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Blogger Herr Abubu November 18, 2014 10:10 PM  

You reek of ignorance—that you think it was the state of Albania that was in conflict with Serbia displays it well enough—and a wholly irrational bias (how peculiar that one so often finds one alongside the other), Bob K. Mando. As someone from the Balkans (an Albanian, that is, a Catholic Albanian at that), it is always frustrating to see outsiders, especially outsiders belonging to the Anglosphere—people whose knowledge of the world beyond their insular homes is as significant as the foreign land they see from their own coasts—opine on Balkan issues.

First of all, the KLA targeted Serbian military and law enforcement primarily. The Serbian military targeted Albanian infrastructure and civilians. Which of these is less legitimate?

Secondly, you have some seriously wrongful notions about the religious nature of the people of the Balkans. Albanians and Bosniaks are hardly extremists, rather secular actually. Moreover, Albanians are not even a completely Muslim people, there are—in Kosovo as well as in Albania proper—Albanians who are Catholic (and Orthodox Christians in Albania) as well. The same can be said of the Serbs, as a people they are not very Christian except by heritage. There have not been any conflicts of a significantly religious nature in the Balkans for a long time, one would better look to the late Middle Ages to find such a thing.

Finally, why is it that only the Muslim Albanians and Bosniaks are mentioned as aggressors here when the Catholic Croatians and Slovenians fought what was basically the same war against the Serbs (in the case of the Bosniaks, though the Kosovo War was similar to the Bosnian War, especially in its causes)? What is it that makes the Croatians and the Slovenians justified in their conflict against the Serbs but not the Albanians and the Bosniaks? Is it because the latter two are—mostly—Muslims? Then what of the Catholic Albanians?

Anonymous Discard November 18, 2014 11:49 PM  

It has occurred to me that, if America ever carried out a successful counter-revolution with all the attendant blood-letting, much of the Western world would squeal with indignation, and then follow suit in a few years.

Blogger Jew613 November 18, 2014 11:51 PM  

A few issues.

The longer the Western nations wait to expel their invaders the more difficult and bloody the effort will be. If the borders are sealed some nations may avoid it but I dont see that happening. Even basic actions similar to Israel's guarded border and expelling illegals are unlikely with the current elite. So once the masses are pushed too far and new elite arises expect much stronger action. There is a spirit in Europe and once it is unleashed it will not be easily halted.

Moshe Dayan was a great general, but he suffered from a lack of nerve. During the Six Day War not only did Dayan not give the order to expel the Arabs from conquered territory the Defense Minster ordered Arabs running away to be allowed to return to their homes. Only in the Golan where David Elazar went against orders was over 96% of the population expelled. Exactly why no one expects the Golan to be surrendered. But on a battlefield Dayan was a genius.

Also the famous Dayan quote is "If you have to go to war it helps to fight Arabs."

The Israeli elite does in general crave the support of gentile nations. Its a holdover from the Galut, the exile. I think you can divide the attitudes into 3.

Group 1 will not act until they have at least some gentile support Netanyahu for example. They are generally in charge.

Group 2 doesnt want to act without support but will if they see the support is not coming and the action is a necessity, Levi Eshkol and Menachem Begin.

Group 3's only consideration is will this further the interests of the Jews. This group has never held the PM's chair. Yair Stern, Rav Kahane, Ketzelah. They will often act outside the official channels of power to get their way. They are often hated by the ruling elite holding power.

There is also a mix of very long term thinking and very short term thinking among the Jewish elites. It is universally understood among the Jewish elites that Israel must be a Jewish majority state, and strongly so. But only in the last generation did Israel abandon policies to suppress the birth rate. Until then immigration was depended upon.

Theodore Herzl believed that the establishment of Jewish state would take generations but it was important in order to enlist the Jewish masses to hold out the hope of immediate restoration of the commonwealth.

The effort to settle YESHA despite massive government opposition has had a great deal of success by using short, medium and long term thinking. Rav Kook zt'l and his students who began the project have always thought in terms of generations not years.

While I do not believe in a master plan in regards to immigration Jews will become more supportive of deportation as the third worlders began personally effecting them. At the same time the Jewish population is becoming more religious and as a result generally more right wing. Will this protect my brethren when the natives begin expelling the invaders? I dont know. It will probably vary from country to country.

Anonymous Angry November 19, 2014 12:42 AM  

It's also quite possible that groups like AIPAC and IAC are rogue entities, more interested in the aggrandizement of its leadership than in solving any problem the Israelis realistically have.

Israel probably has to grudgingly deal with Sabans and Adelsons of the world.

Anonymous Michael November 19, 2014 7:53 AM  

Whiskey, "The overwhelming desire of Israelis is protection/security, given the huge amounts of Muslims who want to kill them next door. Why would they "work" to get anti-White/anti-Israeli politicians elected in the West -- sure to screw over their security?"

http://thezog.info/who-controls-barack-obama/

Thanks for playing.

Samuel Scott, "Israelis, to be frank, aren't too concerned about the domestic politics of other countries. We've got enough to worry about -- like the two Arabs who entered a Jerusalem synagogue this morning with axes and guns and shot and hacked people to death. Four dead, six or seven injured."

And who just a few days prior let Jews pray at the temple mount, knowing full well that it would incite a violent reaction by Palestinians?

Anonymous John Smallberries November 19, 2014 9:26 AM  

Why do Jews act the way they do towards the goys?

Ask the Scorpion why he acted the way he did to the Frog.

Blogger Shimshon November 19, 2014 1:21 PM  

Moshe Feiglin is unquestionably a long term thinker. He has been widely criticized by his erstwhile supporters for years for seeking leadership through Likud, even though at the outset, and many times since, said that he sees his effort as potentially a decades-long project. In short, he adopted the tactics of the SJWs and their long march through the institutions. And today? He is literally Bibi's only credible challenger on the right in any party.

Blogger Shimshon November 19, 2014 1:24 PM  

Michael, Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. They are closely watched whenever they do ascend.

Anonymous Corvinus November 19, 2014 9:25 PM  

Finally, why is it that only the Muslim Albanians and Bosniaks are mentioned as aggressors here when the Catholic Croatians and Slovenians fought what was basically the same war against the Serbs (in the case of the Bosniaks, though the Kosovo War was similar to the Bosnian War, especially in its causes)? What is it that makes the Croatians and the Slovenians justified in their conflict against the Serbs but not the Albanians and the Bosniaks? Is it because the latter two are—mostly—Muslims? Then what of the Catholic Albanians?

AFAIK while a section of northwestern Albania is mostly Catholic, the Kosovars are almost entirely Muslim.

I don't think that Croatia was justified in kicking out its Serbs any more than the Czechs and Poles were justified in kicking out all their Germans. (And I'm Catholic myself.)

I also recognize that Bosniaks and Albanians are in no way radical Muslims like the ISIS boys. But be that as it may, both Bosniaks and Albanians engage in widespread gang activity, sex trafficking, and other unsavory activities, something that people of non-Muslim European background don't tend to do. (Note that I specified non-Muslim European; blacks and Latin Americans in the Western Hemisphere engage in plenty of crime, even though they're nominal Christians.)

For that matter, criminality among Muslims in Western Europe is terrible, but many of them likewise aren't religious. It seems to have something to do with what Islam does to a people's mentality, that over time turns them into loathsome barbarians. (I don't know if Catholic Albanians engage in criminal behavior as much as Muslim Albanians, but I would guess they don't. Or perhaps they're like Sicilians, forming gangs but staying out of the more sordid occupations that harm innocents.)

Anonymous zen0 November 19, 2014 11:37 PM  

@ Michael

And who just a few days prior let Jews pray at the temple mount, knowing full well that it would incite a violent reaction by Palestinians?

Nobody did Michael, as Shimshon said. It is not allowed. But why? This is the question you should seek an answer for , Michael. If you truly seek, maybe you shall find.

@ Shimshon

Moshe Feiglin is unquestionably a long term thinker.

He follows the logic based on his faith. Kinda like Vox. If I was an Israeli, I would be Feiglinim.

As a Goy, I can only be a Feiglinite.

Anonymous Samuel Scott November 20, 2014 4:54 AM  

He is literally Bibi's only credible challenger on the right in any party.

Naphtali Bennett has a better chance of becoming PM anytime soon.

Anonymous Michael November 20, 2014 6:55 AM  

Shimshon & zen0, you're both right, my mistake.

Blogger Lucas November 20, 2014 8:57 AM  

It's not entirely correct, but it has some truth. However, we must not forget that Jews have been involved in the ethnic desctruction of White Christian prior to the existence of modern Israel.

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2014 3:40 PM  

Tommy Hass: With the consent of the British rulers, Jews moved to Palestine in large numbers, eventually taking it over, expelling many of the Moslems, and making sure that those who remained were kept in a subordinate position. Sounds like war by other means to me.
How is non-White immigration to the West any different, other than the details? One people displaces another, just like in war, but does so under legalistic presences.

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2014 3:45 PM  

Tommy Hass: As you point out, religious freedom is a cornerstone of the modern West. So is free speech, but that is denied to those who criticize immigration. If I'm to be forbidden to speak my mind on Islam, why should I respect their right to be here? Why should I accept that some cornerstones are inviolate, but others are not?

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2014 3:50 PM  

Joshua Dyal: I agree with you. Mexico and Mexicans could not take or hold the American Southwest if we chose to oppose them. They couldn't even keep the water flowing. The worst they could do is burn it as they left. To paraphrase Moshe Dayan, it's not as if we were fighting Germans.

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