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Monday, November 24, 2014

Unrest across Europe

Mass migration and third world invasion is being violently protested by Europeans everywhere from the south:
On the gritty, long-neglected outskirts of Rome there was continuing tension outside a centre for refugees, which was repeatedly attacked by local residents during the week. A group of 36 teenage migrants had to be evacuated from the centre in Tor Sapienza, a working-class suburb, on Thursday night after the authorities said the area was no longer safe for them.

Locals had hurled stones, flares and other missiles at the migrant centre, smashing windows, setting fire to dumpster rubbish bins and fighting running battles with riot police during several nights of violence. They demanded that the facility be closed down and claimed that the refugees from Africa and Asia were dirty, anti-social and violent.
To the north of the continent:
The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the criminal gangs. These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter, which has led to them routinely requesting police escort. Now it’s the police being attacked outright.

These no-go zones are primarily so-called “exclusion areas” which is the politically correct term for the 186 ghettos that have sprung up around Sweden in the past two decades. These areas are predominantly populated by immigrants from muslim countries with low education and even lower employment rates. The exception being the enthusiastic entrepreneurs in the fields of drug dealing, protection rackets and robberies.... This development would have been inconceivable only 20 years ago, and one would think this official surrender by the police would have made big headlines. This is not the case; the most attention it seems to have received in mainstream media is an opinion piece in national paper Svenska Dagbladet.

It can be speculated that this is due to the fact that any reporting on this could be seen as “support” for nationalist party SD that wants to restrict the vast inflow to these ghettos, which is an absolute no-no amongst the journalists and could cost them their jobs.
It's not going to be long before the Swedish Democrats are the ruling party in Sweden. And it's not going to be long before the Swedish military is going to be entering those ghettos with tanks and machine guns. That's why the current left-wing Swedish government is trying to increase immigration even up to the end, this is the equivalent of the pre-WWI governments setting their mobilization plans in motion. The anti-Western European Left wants to fight a civil war by proxy, but as Anders Breivik demonstrated, the European Right knows perfectly well who its real enemies are.

I suspect that the younger generation of Native Europeans is going to make the Nazi-era Germans look moderate by comparison. Europe belongs to them. And they know they are going to have to fight for it if they don't want to go the way of the Native American.

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Anonymous daddynichol November 24, 2014 8:17 AM  

Vox, you must be mistaken. I'm sure the resident citizens were assured that the newly arrived immigrants are kind, humble people holding traditional family values seeking a better life for their families! Just think of the increase in diverse dining fare!

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 8:24 AM  

The Norwegian millenials and X-ers will clean up their parents mess.its beginning here in the states too. The New York Times had an article "The Data of Hate" that shows white middle class millenials are joining on-line white supremacist sites like Stormfront at rates way above their age group proportions.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts November 24, 2014 8:26 AM  

Where does this longing for cultural suicide come from on the progressive left? I know people will point to various shadowy and not-so shadowy groups as being string pullers - but how much denial must one person be in to want to see such great cultures and nations infected with 3rd world muslim and african trash?

Blogger Nick Stone November 24, 2014 8:28 AM  

It's becoming increasingly clear that tensions are rising, not just in Europe, but around the world because of attempts to deny people their natural tribal inclinations. You can't force people to accept interlopers and expect there will not be consequences. Ironically, that there will be unpredictable volatility is entirely predictable. It's only a matter of pinpointing when and where the transition dipole moment will occur and all hell breaks loose. The global village concept is an unworkable load of crap.

Blogger Antonio From Spain November 24, 2014 8:33 AM  

Reminds me of this comment from 2007:

http://www.samizdata.net/2007/01/samizdata-quote-140/#comment-133855

"I have said this before, and will probably say it again, so forgive me—I do not fear the threat of islamicism except as it provokes the return of a savagery which will haunt the west’s dreams and torture our consciences for a century of self-loathing and recrimination.

I wish to see my great grandchildren walking proudly among the stars, not hiding from the light in an agony of guilt and shame, with the haunting memory of deaths beyond counting screaming through their nightmares.

Read “Ender’s Game” and “Speaker for the Dead”.

We are who we are, and who we have come from— that 30,000 years since we were Cro-Magnon is but the blink of an eye."

Blogger Tank November 24, 2014 8:36 AM  

This development would have been inconceivable ...

LOL, The Princess Bride strikes again.

Anonymous Stickwick November 24, 2014 8:43 AM  

The Norwegian millenials and X-ers will clean up their parents mess.

Will they? As a half-Swede, it pains me to say this, but young Scandinavians in general, and Swedes in particular, seem to have lost their edge. I know Norwegians aren't Swedes, but they have enough in common that it makes me wonder about the fate of Scandinavia in general. We have older Swedish ex-pat friends here in Texas who shake their heads and lament that the younger generations are not real Swedes. I've been to Stockholm, I've met these younger Swedes in the U.S., and sadly our friends seem to be right. Perhaps what I saw was not a representative sample. I can only hope.

OpenID simplytimothy November 24, 2014 8:44 AM  

When the people of Europe revolt, the "American" ruling class organs will condemn them and attempt to aid the invaders.

Recall that Bill Clinton's rules of engagement in Kosovo* included targeting their 'ruling class' organs; I think BJC opened a can of worms with that one as the principle is a general one.


*Am I correct that Kosovo was the U.S. taking the side of Islam against Christendom?

Anonymous ZhukovG November 24, 2014 8:55 AM  

I admit that this is probably just my overactive imagination, but…

Could it be that the elite, at least in Europe, are trying to create a Nationalist backlash? The elite may be evil, but they are not stupid. They must realize that the EU both economically and as a counter to the US has failed. Perhaps, the elite, having experimented with large political units (USA, USSR, EU, PRC etc.) are rethinking what is best for them. Perhaps, they have decided that the world is better for them if a few Great Powers, with none dominant, exist.

We may also wish to entertain the idea that there is more than one group of elite and that they may be opposed to one another. The rapid growth in power of Nationalist, decentralizing forces against an ever more desperate seeming centralizing establishment could be evidence of this conflict.

Anonymous Sarcophilus November 24, 2014 9:00 AM  

Speaking of inconceivable, no country or continent belongs to a dying demographic.

You have, in terms of Selenoth, elves v.s. orcs. But the orcs aren't as stupid or slow, and the elves are indolent and materialistic. They can send tanks, or maybe airstrikes, but they won't follow the rules of 4GW. The British occupied the catholic neighborhoods of Belfast - and accomplished what?

At what point is Europe going to be repopulated by Europeans? With the green "humans are a plague upon mother earth", I don't see it. It is also Game, Pope Francis v.s. Roosh, and Roosh is having no problem finding nihilism.

(I'm waiting for Japan to let Koreans and Chinese in once the demographic-economic time-bomb goes off)

In Putin's domain, Patriarch Kirill is more successful. Russia will survive at this rate. But this takes literally generations. The EUligarchs don't like it - they can't overthrow him like they did in Italy and Ukraine.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 24, 2014 9:01 AM  

Believe it or not the Muslims did not get a sympathetic portrayal in the movie "Children of Men." Was kind of awesome to hear the muslim militia of the deportation camp chanting "Allah Akbar" in the monotonous tone they used. I say we let the SJWs fight the muslims as a warm up act.

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 9:05 AM  

We have older Swedish ex-pat friends here in Texas who shake their heads and lament that the younger generations are not real Swedes.

The older Swedes are the ones who bought into the multiculturalism and let in the Muslims in the first place. It's a very good sign that the younger generations are not like them.

Anonymous Stickwick November 24, 2014 9:13 AM  

The older Swedes are the ones who bought into the multiculturalism and let in the Muslims in the first place. It's a very good sign that the younger generations are not like them.

True, and I hope it means something in terms of reclaiming their country. But when we were in Sweden a few years ago, everyone under the age of 40 looked like androgynous homosexual librarians. Hard to square that with any sense of national resolve, but, as I said, maybe what we saw was not a representative sample. Or maybe looks can be deceiving.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 24, 2014 9:20 AM  

"The anti-Western European Left wants to fight a civil war by proxy, but as Anders Breivik demonstrated, the European Right knows perfectly well who its real enemies are."

Precisely. Target the Left first--domestic traitors--and then the Muslims and Africans. Cut off its head.

Blogger rycamor November 24, 2014 9:25 AM  

I've had this argument before with my Swedish brother-in-law. He's a Christian, spent a good part of his life as a missionary to the Middle East, and has nurtured the idea that uncontrolled immigration is just another way to "minister" to those from less fortunate regions. When I brought up the idea of controlling one's immigration in order to protect one's country and culture he complained that this was not the "compassionate" choice to make. I am oft reminded of Flannery O'Connor's words "Tenderness leads to the gas chambers."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 24, 2014 9:27 AM  

I disagree with Fogey, the traditionalist right is too weak at this point to squabble with the well funded establishment, that thinking is the usual right wing pipe dream of torchlight parade phantasm all too popular on blogs.

Here is a better plan, discredit the globalist establishment amongst the security forces (tell them they are all Darren Wilsons in the making) and more importantly send the effete pussy white left up against the Muslims (Vox mulled this as an Israeli elite's plan).

But we on the Right talk about the 4th gen conflict model and then go promptly back to planning ops better suited to 1914.

Anonymous PA November 24, 2014 9:35 AM  

-- "At what point is Europe going to be repopulated by Europeans?"

There are more Europeans aged 1-20 alive today than there were in 1800.

-- "But the orcs aren't stupid or slow."

They are. Unlike past intra-European invasions, this one involves occupants who have zero effective political agency or initiative beyond the opportunistic scavenger sort.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia November 24, 2014 9:36 AM  

Let the cleansing begin!

Blogger Cecil Henry November 24, 2014 9:37 AM  

@rycamor

That's exactly what the PC elites want to do.


They cannot remake the third world into what they think it should be and create 'equality' so they want to bring the third world here and use the WEst to build them up and create the 'equality'.

Even if it means destroying whites-or in fact because it involves destroying whites.

Evil.

Anonymous hausfrau November 24, 2014 9:41 AM  

From the article on Sweden
"These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter, which has led to them routinely requesting police escort. Now it’s the police being attacked outright. "

It will be interesting to see if/when they start denying basic city services to the hostile barbarians. No ambulance. No trash removal. No water or fire department. If things go down hill far enough, bar food and supplies. I know they aren't there yet as there is still a push for more immigration but the barbarians in these ghettos are not in a good position to stay past there welcome if the native Swedes ever get it together and turn on them.

Blogger IM2L844 November 24, 2014 9:42 AM  

OT
Chuck Hagel fired. Now, If only we had a black female Secretary of Defense, she could sit down and talk some sense into ISIS.

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 9:43 AM  

Stickwick-

Looks are deceiving. The younger generation are tolerant and accepting of "alternate lifestyles", but this is key, only in a white framework. They are NOT tolerant of the Silent to Baby Boomer excess. A white millenial queer is nothing like the older fag generations in outlook. He's been exposed to "diversity" just like his straight counterparts and wants nothing to do with it.

ZhukovG-

Yes, of course there are different factions amongst the elite. Just never forget, they ALL regard the rest of us as cattle or sheep to be farmed

Blogger Dystopic November 24, 2014 9:46 AM  

All good and well for Europe. I wonder what the future holds for us Americans. Perhaps a boat back to Europe someday?

Blogger rycamor November 24, 2014 9:49 AM  

Cecil Henry November 24, 2014 9:37 AM

@rycamor

That's exactly what the PC elites want to do.


They cannot remake the third world into what they think it should be and create 'equality' so they want to bring the third world here and use the WEst to build them up and create the 'equality'.

Even if it means destroying whites-or in fact because it involves destroying whites.

Evil.


Yes, the ones who know the real score are evil. Problem is many Christians have bought into it simply because they don't have a strategic understanding of history, and they simply cannot connect simple, one-on-one actions to the greater whole. They only look at the first-order consequences of an action (here is a hurting person--let's bring him to our country for help), without having a clue of the overall result.

Anonymous Tom November 24, 2014 9:52 AM  

@Da_Truth_Hurts

As the novel Victoria has already taught me, Cultural Marxism (leftists, progressives, what have you) want to destroy Western culture. What better way that to flood the West with a bunch of "impressionable" Third World refugees?

I think the Cultural Marxists actually think they can control these groups they are trying to use to destroy traditional Western culture. They clearly are yet again in denial of reality.

As a side bar, I wish the editor of the novel Victoria had helped the author shore up the first two chapters. Those are so much weaker than the later writing. I felt like the beginning of Chapter 3 when the narrator talks about his family history would have made a better opening than the almost clumsy and clunky bits from the first two. Too much explanation too early. Too unrealistic dialogue. I say all this because I've loved the book through Chapter 17 that I'm on. The rest of the book deserves a stronger beginning. Though, I have to admit it was strong enough to keep me reading.

Blogger Penrose November 24, 2014 9:53 AM  

"Where does this longing for cultural suicide come from on the progressive left? I know people will point to various shadowy and not-so shadowy groups as being string pullers - but how much denial must one person be in to want to see such great cultures and nations infected with 3rd world muslim and african trash?"

The cultural suicide of today stems from nihilism and solipsism. In place of Christianity whites either worship themselves or worship nothing. The boys in a fatherless home become atheist. The girls become narcissistic self-worshippers. The nihilist believes that since he doesn't really believe in anything than neither does anything so it's impossible for his mind to conceptualize that of the true believer. Plus Europeans are not having children. When people don't have children culture is meaningless since culture is for the future generations and people without children don't plan much for after their dead.

Anonymous DJF November 24, 2014 9:54 AM  

“”””daddynichol writes “Just think of the increase in diverse dining fare!””’’

And the decrease in the number of dogs, cats and other animals in the area.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 24, 2014 10:09 AM  

And some unrest in Ohio.

Get em young is a good policy.

Blogger YIH November 24, 2014 10:21 AM  

Sarcophilus:
(I'm waiting for Japan to let Koreans and Chinese in once the demographic-economic time-bomb goes off)
The Japanese have already had a taste of immigration, there are Japanese (and more than a few of them) that emigrated from Japan. They settled in the Americas - north and south. Back in the 1980's Japan, seeking to shore up labor shortages started inviting them to come back to Japan. These ''new Japanese'' are have not exactly been welcomed with open arms (language problems, among others). With Japan's economy in a long-term downturn now Japan is offering them bribes to leave.
Another factor many don't take into account is Japan's a pretty damn crowded country. They have little space for the Japanese that are born there - and not much room for any newcomers.

Blogger J Curtis November 24, 2014 10:25 AM  

"The New York Times analyzed the California experience with illegal immigration on Sunday, with the usual slant that diversity happens and American citizens should just lay back and enjoy the tacos.

Apparently, the paper believes that Obama’s unilateral action was Not Enough Amnesty because all 11-20 million weren’t covered.." Link to full article

Blogger Tommy Hass November 24, 2014 10:26 AM  

I'm not even kidding when I say this: there should be organizations that pay us...different muslims to deal woth these scum. After that's finished, we can take the money and leave. Hell, if it's below 1% you can even leave some of them in the country, but that is up to you.

I cannot believe that nobody ever thought of this.

Anonymous Will Best November 24, 2014 10:34 AM  

In the US we are indoctrinated in school with the "nation of immigrants" line. It is quite effective considering it gets spouted off by people whose families have been in this country 150+ years. The result is quite a lot of tolerance for the floodgates because "hey we are all immigrants", and a lot of feel good entitlement by the new arrivals "hey I should be a full fledged American without earning it, because the people here didn't earn it either"

Its a very interesting needle to thread because there is quite a bit of token nationalism. Lots of American Flags, pledge of allegiance, getting everybody together to celebrate early July, and of course a lot of pride in the Constitution and the Rights it provides us (including the ones that don't actually exist or have already been taken away from us).

The US has a longer row to hoe because unlike Europe the whites don't have any sort of identity apart from the token nationalism. Coastal whites still benefit from these policies, and they won't be coming around until their money manipulation games fail them or the invaders start to settle their community.

Anonymous Will Best November 24, 2014 10:41 AM  

And some unrest in Ohio.

1) A 12 year old Black typically looks as developed as 16 year old white. I suspect the picture is dated.

2) This looks like a far better case to riot over. It is a shame they wasted all that energy on a clearly innocent white cop in MO, because it will make it harder for this to gain traction.

Blogger YIH November 24, 2014 10:42 AM  

IM2L844: IM2L844 November 24, 2014 9:42 AM

Chuck Hagel fired. Now, If only we had a black female Secretary of Defense, she could sit down and talk some sense into ISIS.
Remember? That's been tried already. Can't really say it worked out all that well.
But it wouldn't surprise me if 0bola does it anyway.

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 10:43 AM  

We may also wish to entertain the idea that there is more than one group of elite and that they may be opposed to one another.

This is the case.

I wish the editor of the novel Victoria had helped the author shore up the first two chapters.

There was no editor. That was the agreement. No editing, only proofing. I tend to agree, especially in light of the astonishing preface that leads into them. I think that's what holds the reader's attention through the early chapters.

Anonymous DrTorch November 24, 2014 10:43 AM  

Great points by rycamor.

From the article on Sweden
"These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter,


Interesting. Heard on the radio this morning that some local (Wash DC) news is doing a coverage on local mail carriers being attacked, kidnapped, etc. Story has been covered up "until now!"

Anyway, the orcs are here, and yet people still turn a blind eye.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 10:44 AM  

diversity happens and American citizens should just lay back and enjoy the tacos.

good one

Anonymous Thales November 24, 2014 10:44 AM  

...and American citizens should just lay back and enjoy the tacos.

You mean enjoy the cheap challupas...

Blogger Gordon November 24, 2014 10:47 AM  

I wonder about the Swedes. Clearly importing many thousands of sub-civilized savages isn't working out the way the elites hoped. And Sweden is still very much run by the elite remnants of the old nobility. But at the same time, in public at least, those elites seem to be the Skandi equivalent of the three little monkeys: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Otherwise, they would have to confront the intellectual consequences of their foolishness. Their minds just aren't ready to admit that they fucked up, and their ideology is fatally flawed.

I mean, look at (the late) Stieg Larsson, author of the Dragon Tattoo series. He was a lefty anti-racialist who clearly saw himself as in the vanguard of the trendy elite. It's interesting that at a time when the serious problems of importing troublesome people were becoming clear, he makes no mention of any of this in his books. All the bad people are white, if not white supremacists.

Anonymous kfg November 24, 2014 11:00 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJh6EQ5gv7g

Blogger Josh November 24, 2014 11:01 AM  

I cannot believe that nobody ever thought of this.

That's essentially what the Romans did: hire the quasi civilized barbarians to defend them from the uncivilized barbarians.

Did not end well for the Romans.

Anonymous HalibetLector November 24, 2014 11:03 AM  

Slightly OT, but does anybody have any hands on experience with Hamburg? I may be moving there for a job soon, but I have concerns. Last year there was a violent protest over the closure of a leftist cultural center and there appears to be a handful of neighborhoods under martial law (they call them "no go zones", but that seems to be for leftists, not police).

Blogger Brad Andrews November 24, 2014 11:11 AM  

This makes me think of the video where the grocery worker was beaten by the flash mob in the US. I told my wife it won't be long (relatively) until people start shooting such flash mobs.

I certainly don't want that violence, but having a group of people think they can act outside civilized rules will almost certainly generate a backlash, or a complete collapse of the civilization that enables that behavior.

Blogger Josh November 24, 2014 11:12 AM  

Slightly OT, but does anybody have any hands on experience with Hamburg?

I like cheeseburgers

Anonymous ZhukovG November 24, 2014 11:13 AM  

@Tommy

This would be an excellent survival strategy for those Muslims who have integrated into their adoptive nations and would like to stay. I can see it working for Turks, longer history of friendship with Germany and all, but not Pakis.

Anonymous kfg November 24, 2014 11:15 AM  

Japan can produce more food and more manufactured goods per square foot than anyone. This is due to the fact that, for a very long time, their chief problem has been that they have far more people than available resources.

Japan's economic problems have nothing to do with needing a larger population.

Blogger Ron November 24, 2014 11:16 AM  

@Tommy

I cannot believe that nobody ever thought of this.

"They" already did. You are there primarily to get rid of the Jews and to keep the remaining Gentile middle class in check.

Eurabia

Blogger IM2L844 November 24, 2014 11:19 AM  

Remember? That's been tried already. Can't really say it worked out all that well.
But it wouldn't surprise me if 0bola does it anyway.


No, YIH, we're talking Secretary of Defense here. We obviously need a black lesbian to head up the Department of Defense and solve our geopolitical threats issues...or at least a woman with a degree in Social Studies.

Anonymous joe doakes November 24, 2014 11:30 AM  

"Exclusion are" sounds so . . . unfriendly, as if the policy towards minorities wasn't inclusive and anything non-inclusive is automatically racissss.

These are "private enterprise zones" where the government has "right-sized" services by outsourcing them to "minority contractors." It's a jobs stimulus program for "made men" that is directed by leaders of the local "peaceful religion." How can anyone argue with that?
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Anonymous trev006 November 24, 2014 11:42 AM  

I'm not even kidding when I say this: there should be organizations that pay us...different muslims to deal woth these scum. After that's finished, we can take the money and leave. Hell, if it's below 1% you can even leave some of them in the country, but that is up to you.

Despite my previous points of disagreement with you, this one notion redeems all of them. I'd say that minorities who would help rescue enslaved girls (not the willing whores) in Rotherham, for instance, should be treated as white citizens. Perhaps even better than that, given that they're willing to put themselves at risk for the national culture.

Of course, it's not like the police would take advantage of such an offering. If only England had some sort of organization to take up the slack, some sort of league acting in defense of their people.

Blogger Nate November 24, 2014 11:45 AM  

Vox... you wonder why we think it curious that you should choose to flea the frying pan... only to light upon the every element that shall start the flames.

The United States is not now ground zero... nor will it be ground zero. Europe is. And there the fight will boil.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 24, 2014 11:47 AM  

Where does this longing for cultural suicide come from on the progressive left?

The old-school British aristocracy took a great deal of pride in looking out for "their people," the villagers, yeomen and semi-serfs living on their lands. They protected their people from - well, other nobles mostly - made wise laws, set examples, and were admired and loved in return. Or at least that's the Downton Abbey impression liberals have of the old aristocracy.

Liberals want to be like that. They want "people" to lord it over, and other white folks don't make reliable or adoring serfs.

Neither do muslims or Mexicans, but I didn't say liberals were smart, I just said they were racist and power hungry.

Blogger YIH November 24, 2014 11:51 AM  

From Pat Buchanan:
Today, in 2014, after an influx of perhaps 50 million in 50 years, legal and illegal, no longer from Northwest Europe, or Europe at all, but Latin America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, of every race, color, creed, culture and language we seem less a nation than some mammoth Mall of America. An economy, but not a country.

OpenID tonsplace November 24, 2014 11:57 AM  

Penrose, disagree. The early utopians in the usa where puritans and their descendants who got into all types of silly ideals like women suffrage and prohibition etc where Christian

Anonymous trev006 November 24, 2014 12:30 PM  


The United States is not now ground zero... nor will it be ground zero. Europe is. And there the fight will boil.


You sound real confident of that, Nate. The UK appears dominated by Ingsoc, yet UKIP developed as a viable alternative within the span of a few years. Granted, Europe's problems won't be solved democratically, but the notion of third-party resistance to the state is already starting to manifest. And that's only in Britain: France, Finland, and Germany will have reactions that will make the EDL look like the Lib Dems. By contrast, look how unsuccessful the Tea Party is: do you really think an alternative to the one party state is even in the offing?

As for Italy specifically: they have a reputation for personal courage, even when they're poorly equipped, and that bravery is what protected a great many Jews during the Holocaust. I'd rank Italy only under Switzerland as a place to be safe in Europe for that reason. You have to remember, Switzerland is also extremely expensive and is a center of finance, so in trying to find a place that can adequately resist invasion, yet avoid getting involved in broader movements, Italy may actually be the best place in Europe for safety.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 12:33 PM  

Fred Reed has an idea about what might spark the opposition here. From his latest column:

The Revolution of 2019 began, curiously enough, in fall of 2019 when Mary Lou Johnson, the nine-year-old daughter of a ranching family outside of Casper, Wyoming, came home from her sex-ed class at Martin Luther King Elementary with a banana, a packet of condoms, and a book called Sally Has Two Mommies. Her mother Janey Lou, a political reactionary, took one look and began screaming. “Goddamit! Goddamit! I’m not going to take it anymore!”

She grabbed the shotgun, a nice Remington 870 loaded with double-ought buck, and headed for the school.

Historians would debate just what led the surrounding population spontaneously to join her. Much of it seemed to have something to do with the schools. One father reported that he snapped when his daughter came home during Harriet Tubman Week, and he asked her about Robert E. Lee.

“Who?”

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 12:44 PM  

The United States is not now ground zero... nor will it be ground zero. Europe is. And there the fight will boil.

Do the immigrant math. Also, Europeans has a much firmer grasp of who is and who is not Swedish, English, Dutch, Italian etc than Americans do of who is and who is not American. The wars may start in Europe, but we know which side will win.

I expect the US wars to be much nastier and awful. In some countries in Europe, it won't even look like a war. People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight. It's all very localized here, whereas in the States it is much more broadly distributed.

Anonymous maniacprovost November 24, 2014 12:56 PM  

Millenials in the US grew up 100% immersed in PC leftist BS. Since it's blatantly false, quite a few have developed a rather jaded, nihilistic, Realpolitik approach to toeing the party line. Overall, I suspect we will have little compunction about ethnic cleansing, if it becomes necessary for the continued delivery of Netflix and new Steam games.

Anonymous Dumb founded November 24, 2014 1:02 PM  

"In some countries in Europe, it won't even look like a war. People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight."

I hope they don't ship them to the US.

Anonymous Dumb founded November 24, 2014 1:04 PM  

"Harriet Tubman Week"

Shouldn't that be Harriet Tubgirl Week?

Blogger rycamor November 24, 2014 1:06 PM  

VD November 24, 2014 12:44 PM
The United States is not now ground zero... nor will it be ground zero. Europe is. And there the fight will boil.

Do the immigrant math. Also, Europeans has a much firmer grasp of who is and who is not Swedish, English, Dutch, Italian etc than Americans do of who is and who is not American. The wars may start in Europe, but we know which side will win.


Yes, Americans are above all a thoroughly confused lot these days. Which is why the outcome is far less predictable than Europe's.

Blogger Josh November 24, 2014 1:10 PM  

In some countries in Europe, it won't even look like a war. People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight.

That's what apparently happened in Alabama when they passed the immigration bill several years ago.

Blogger ajw308 November 24, 2014 1:14 PM  

It's all very localized here, whereas in the States it is much more broadly distributed.
The European invaders know they're invaders. In the US, I think a significant portion of the invaders actually believe the land is theirs. That's land people will die for.

Anonymous Corvinus November 24, 2014 1:14 PM  

Another factor many don't take into account is Japan's a pretty damn crowded country. They have little space for the Japanese that are born there - and not much room for any newcomers.
@YIH
Well, in that case, what's England's excuse?

Do the immigrant math. Also, Europeans has a much firmer grasp of who is and who is not Swedish, English, Dutch, Italian etc than Americans do of who is and who is not American. The wars may start in Europe, but we know which side will win.

I expect the US wars to be much nastier and awful. In some countries in Europe, it won't even look like a war. People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight. It's all very localized here, whereas in the States it is much more broadly distributed.


Yeah, I see a huge mess along the lines of Bosnia, Lebanon, and now Syria and Iraq. I imagine that one major reason the U.S. government is so adamant about preserving Iraq's and Syria's ridiculous borders, and refusing any slack for the Novorossians in Ukraine, is because letting these countries fragment into ethnically-based parts like the Austro-Hungarian Empire would discredit the U.S. itself.

Anonymous Corvinus November 24, 2014 1:20 PM  

The European invaders know they're invaders. In the US, I think a significant portion of the invaders actually believe the land is theirs. That's land people will die for.

Mexicans and Central Americans claiming the USA would be like Turkey claiming Europe. The Natives in the U.S. apparently don't like them waltzing in any more than the whites. For that matter, millions of white Americans are partly descended from the Natives who lived on U.S. territory, making the Native card that the Aztlan crowd and white-guilt-tripping SJWs try to play completely invalid.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 1:20 PM  


I expect the US wars to be much nastier and awful. In some countries in Europe, it won't even look like a war. People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight. It's all very localized here, whereas in the States it is much more broadly distributed.


That depends entirely on whether the federal gov't can maintain its centralized control over the states and localities. If states or subdivisions thereof begin to ignore the decrees of D.C. as I expect them to, it will be a similarly local issue here. Obola's decision to rule by fiat will support this trend as the feds lose their air of legitimacy. If, however, Obola or his successor (Clitler?) succeeds in bringing down the federal boot (via a combination of funding and violent repression), it will be delayed and proceed along the lines you envision.

Blogger Danby November 24, 2014 1:49 PM  

Hell, Europe could clean out a large number of Africans and Muslims just by cutting off the damned welfare checks.

OpenID simplytimothy November 24, 2014 1:56 PM  

That depends entirely on whether the federal gov't can maintain its centralized control over the states and localities. If states or subdivisions thereof begin to ignore the decrees of D.C. as I expect them to, it will be a similarly local issue here.

Instapundit linked to this earlier this week: Utah considers cutting of the water to the NSA collection center. The American people are preparing to and will act to end this tyranny.



Anonymous DrTorch November 24, 2014 1:59 PM  

Fred Reed has an idea about what might spark the opposition here

That's the third one of these future historical retrospect pieces I've come across the past few days. (Victoria, and Conservative Insurgency by Schlichter). That genre has gotten tired real fast, as I'm beginning to think people are living vicariously through the fiction.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 2:04 PM  

SimplyTimothy wrote:

*Am I correct that Kosovo was the U.S. taking the side of Islam against Christendom?


Yes. From a cultural and civilization perspective, we fought on the wrong side. A similar case around the moral perspective can be made too.

Bill Clinton screwed up. I always said the Great Triangulator should have worked to pit the Red Chinese agains the Mohammedans. We could have sat back and watched the show for the next 100 years.

Penrose wrote:

The cultural suicide of today stems from nihilism and solipsism. In place of Christianity whites either worship themselves or worship nothing. The boys in a fatherless home become atheist. The girls become narcissistic self-worshippers. The nihilist believes that since he doesn't really believe in anything than neither does anything so it's impossible for his mind to conceptualize that of the true believer. Plus Europeans are not having children. When people don't have children culture is meaningless since culture is for the future generations and people without children don't plan much for after their dead.


Penrose, I think you are giving them waaay too much credit. As in the USA and with the Obama Administration, the Swedish Social Democrats see unfettered immigration as a way to ensure their power in the future. "If we let them in and give them entitlements, they will keep us in office."

Gordon wrote:

Otherwise, they would have to confront the intellectual consequences of their foolishness.


They do not see past the end of their patrician noses. Denail is not a peculiar American trait. It occurs all over the world.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 2:06 PM  

I'm beginning to think people are living vicariously through the fiction.

Before they can rebel, a people has to know that rebellion is possible. Most Americans don't know that rebellion is possible. "That can never happen here" or "That only happens in other places" are still the order of the day.

Anonymous PA November 24, 2014 2:10 PM  

"Most Americans don't know that rebellion is possible"

Most Americans don't even know that things are abnormal. Even if they grumble and vote conservative, they fail to visualize any alternate social arrangement.

But the internet is changing that.

Blogger Brad Andrews November 24, 2014 2:21 PM  

I believe you have chosen Alabama Nate, but where would you live now if you had to pick? Will Texas be taken by La Reconquista or will it reassert itself? Anyone else have any solid thoughts on that. I am debating the "where to live" issue right now in my own mind.

I suspect that a solid small town, near enough to the tech areas I can keep making decent money, is about the best choice now.

That probably rules out anything near Austin now though, since it is overrun (in many ways) by California refugees.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 2:39 PM  

Brad Andrews wrote:

Anyone else have any solid thoughts on that. I am debating the "where to live" issue right now in my own mind.


If Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma banded together into a cohesive unit, they would have petroleum and the Mississippi River as revenue generators. There would be no need for any kind of income tax, or for that matter, sales or property taxes. Natural resource excise taxes would take care of everything.

Anonymous Will Best November 24, 2014 2:49 PM  

I suspect that a solid small town, near enough to the tech areas I can keep making decent money, is about the best choice now.

see Idaho. It has a lot of CA/WA tech spillover, and it seems like a decent place to ride out a civil unrest/war which will primarily be waged in the South and Southwest.

Blogger Whiskey November 24, 2014 3:16 PM  

Cultural suicide IMHO is a function of how much tradition, history, culture, and critically, old buildings reminding people of their history and culture are around. And how much global consumerism affects and eats away (in female-oriented mass consumerism) their traditions and values. Switzerland has cathedrals where night watchmen have been calling out for five hundred years. Japan has six hundred year old cooking schools, in operation continuously. Both places have controlled and limited global consumerism, Japan in particular limiting big box retailing in favor of inefficient but culturally preserving small retailers.

This means there is a web of personal connections to other people like yourself, and to those who lived before. Your culture, your people, your history mean something and are worth preserving.

The US? Most of our culture and traditions are quite new, particularly in the West and date from around the post-War Era (Modern kid-oriented Halloween vs. 90's Hook up Halloweeen, Thanksgiving, Christmas) and we lack old buildings. UK demolished most of its old city centers, and two World Wars finished off most of the rest in the Continent. The Scandis did quite a bit of city center "refurbishment" and went hole-hog for mass consumerism. IKEA was born there. When old style Christianity fell out of favor for limits on female sexual freedom, there was nothing left to hold the nation and people together but a few pop songs, old movies, and the like.

As for Texas, 3/4 of people under 18 are Latino. Its gone. As for Europe, it has a native population with abysmal fertility levels around 1.2 IIRC and most young people are Muslim. Not natives. On the other hand, most Muslims cannot organize themselves out of a paper bag -- fighting is not screaming while cutting heads off but mostly about organizing great amounts of food, arms, men, and other supplies far afield to inflict mass damage/annihilation at the Schwerpunkt, or hinge of battle, with forces suddenly concentrated in a battle of annihilation (the Western Way of War).

Logic would say the thing will be settled with nuclear weapons and the victors will have no doubts or second thoughts or guilt even if its native Europeans who win. Given the high cost -- its only cheap victories purchased for nothing that cause doubts. Not the hard-won battle costing lives and treasure.

As for the US, I expect no active violent secession, rather "soft" internal secession, with a nominal President and Congress and laws all ignored and as much validity as the late Holy Roman Empire.

Blogger Brad Andrews November 24, 2014 3:19 PM  

I had thought about Idaho Will, but then they were the ones who tried (and backed off) forcing a church to marry a homosexual couple IIRC.

Not what I expected, but may be a sign.

Texas will be in the middle of some things, but it is quite armed and I expect that may tone some things down.

Anonymous Dumb founded November 24, 2014 3:37 PM  

Was it the same fear of being called racist that that allowed Rotherham's racist rapists to be free to be rapacious that allowed Cosby to be free to do his thing?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2843506/As-sitcom-king-Bill-Cosby-faces-mounting-accusations-rape-fears-racist-protected-America-s-Dad-long.html

Blogger Shibes Meadow November 24, 2014 3:44 PM  

Whiskey: Texas is not "gone". I'm born and raised here, still live here, and own a business here. Texas is not California. Texas Latinos are not California Latinos. This state will never become "like Mexico" because the people that live and work here don't want to live in Mexico. Yes, we have a fringe of La Raza types, but they are a feeble threat next to the horde of lily-white hipsters, liberals, fags, and Empowered Women who infest Austin and other urban centers. Without Big Government, Big Gay, and Big Vadge, there would be no Big Brown or Big Nig here.

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 3:58 PM  

As for Europe, it has a native population with abysmal fertility levels around 1.2 IIRC and most young people are Muslim.

This is simply not true.

"In 2007, the European Union counted around 96 million young people aged between 15 and 29 years."

"the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2010 was about 44 million (6%)"

There are fewer Muslims in Europe than there are Mexicans in the USA. And the European population is 731 million, versus 311 million for the USA.

Some of you Americans really need to stop babbling about a continent of which you clearly know nothing. The Muslims are all in the big cities. They're simply not in the countryside or the smaller cities.

Anonymous Statists are so dull November 24, 2014 3:58 PM  

let the SJWs fight the muslims as a warm up act.
SJWs will capitulate to the first mullah that asks and convert en masse. They are cowards.

Blogger Bogey November 24, 2014 4:04 PM  

People will just wake up one day and all the invaders will be gone overnight. It's all very localized here, whereas in the States it is much more broadly distributed.

Everything will be magical and different in Europe? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Anonymous 11B November 24, 2014 4:04 PM  

Whiskey, why do you even care? I thought your loyalty was to some little nation in the middle east.

Anonymous Corvinus November 24, 2014 4:11 PM  

As for Europe, it has a native population with abysmal fertility levels around 1.2 IIRC and most young people are Muslim.

This is simply not true.

"In 2007, the European Union counted around 96 million young people aged between 15 and 29 years."


Believe it or not, the white birth rate / population collapse is past. It was mainly in the 1970s and 1980s, when whites were reproducing at 1.5 child/woman while the nonwhites' birth rates were still sky-high. But they aren't any more, except in sub-Saharan Africa.

To put it another way: in 1975, nonwhite women had three times as many children as white women. Now, they have fewer than twice as many, and if you exclude sub-Saharan Africans, it's only about 1.3-1.4x.

Anonymous 11B November 24, 2014 4:18 PM  

To put it another way: in 1975, nonwhite women had three times as many children as white women. Now, they have fewer than twice as many, and if you exclude sub-Saharan Africans, it's only about 1.3-1.4x.

Any idea on what percentage of births to white women are nonwhite kids?

Anonymous VD November 24, 2014 4:23 PM  

Everything will be magical and different in Europe? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Amusing coming from an American, a people who have historically ASSUMED everything is different in America. But not now?

You seriously think the concept of ethnic cleansing in Europe is wishful thinking? Do you know nothing of history? They do it REGULARLY. The only reason they're not doing it yet is because the USA bombed Serbia when they did it in the 90s.

Multiculti is a US-centric phenomenon. It is much, much weaker here and is mostly the result of US media domination. The nationalist parties are already in place and poised to start taking power in the next elections. The USA doesn't even HAVE a meaningful nationalist party.

Blogger Feather Blade November 24, 2014 4:40 PM  

I had thought about Idaho Will, but then they were the ones who tried (and backed off) forcing a church to marry a homosexual couple IIRC.

The Hitching Post isn't a church. It's a wedding chapel of the kind you get in Las Vegas, but with less neon and more unfinished wood (and apparently a strong commitment to Christian marriage ceremonies.)

And you lot can stay out of Idaho. Try Montana instead.

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 4:46 PM  

Wait, they backed off? Where can I read the latest on that?

Anonymous kfg November 24, 2014 4:50 PM  

"Everything will be magical and different in Europe?"

Remember Warsaw.

Anonymous Hoosier Daddy November 24, 2014 4:53 PM  

That depends entirely on whether the federal gov't can maintain its centralized control over the states and localities. If states or subdivisions thereof begin to ignore the decrees of D.C. as I expect them to, it will be a similarly local issue here.

Study American history. When the Federal government passed the fugitive slave act, states like Wisconsin ignored it and refused to cooperate. They would not jail abolitionists running freed slaves north. The Wisconsin Supreme Court, clearly against the law, upheld an appeal from a lower court for interference with an out-of-state slavecatcher.

The decision was appealed to the US Supreme Court (which would have decided against the Wisconsinite abolitionists). The US Supreme Court asked for the records in the case and the Wisconsin Supreme Court simply refused to send them anything at all. With no records, the US Supreme Court could do absolutely nothing.

I believe the Wisconsin Supreme Court NEVER sent its files to the US Supreme Court. Just refusing to cooperate can be enough.

Blogger Nate November 24, 2014 4:56 PM  

"Also, Europeans has a much firmer grasp of who is and who is not Swedish, English, Dutch, Italian etc than Americans do of who is and who is not American. The wars may start in Europe, but we know which side will win."


***chuckle***

Umm... the vast majority of the immigrants here are wetbacks. And since its been so long, i cannot fault you for not grasping this, but when large parts of towns have only spanish signs on their businesses and mexican flags flying... I can assure you its quite easy to see who is, and who is not, american.

the war will not be nasty here at all. Long before it gets nasty... the mexicans will simply flee home. As we have seen countless times... even the slightest aggression toward them sends them off in a flight of mad panic.

and as for the remaining muslims.... there will be no help for them.

No Vox... on this you could not be more wrong. Europe will not be content with passing laws and deportation. Europe will require blood. I fear the french revolution will look positively subtle compared to what will happen in the next two decades there.

Anonymous Stilicho November 24, 2014 5:09 PM  


the war will not be nasty here at all. Long before it gets nasty... the mexicans will simply flee home. As we have seen countless times... even the slightest aggression toward them sends them off in a flight of mad panic.


Even if some resist, Obola has kindly encouraged many of them to register themselves. It will therefore be much easier to round them up and ship them back across the Rio Grande when we get to that point.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 5:10 PM  

The Total Fertility Rate tells quite a lot. Of course this table shows 2014 estimates so get your salt shaker out.

Notice that most of Europe is well below the 2.10 TFR required for zero population growth, and in some countreis such as France it's not easily possible to separate out the TFR of the colonizers from that of the natives.

A country with a TFR of 1.42 is in the process of disappearing. The Rule of 72 works on more than loan interest rates.

Sweden's estimated TFR is 1.88, how many of those births come out of no-go zones I can't guess.

Demographics matter as much as politics.

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 5:23 PM  

Stilicho, most of those returned will be killed, by the Mexicans who remained. Mexico has become a nice place to live once you get out of the killing zones along the border precisely because the low IQ, criminal trash were exported to el Norte, all 20 to 40 million of them.

Anonymous hughdc November 24, 2014 5:29 PM  

The youth of Europe will remain inactive until they lose their fear of defying the machinery of the state that is keeping them in line. Right now they fear the consequences of taking action more than they fear the threat to the survival of their country and people. Once that situation reverses, it could turn ugly very fast.

Anonymous Fnord P November 24, 2014 5:31 PM  

...France it's not easily possible to separate out the TFR of the colonizers from that of the natives.

In France it's illegal to do that - no race data can be asked for or collated, even by the government. They want to hide the scale of the problem for as long as possible. As Vox noted, they are mainly in the cities but even the small village where my in-laws live now has its share of swarthy, veiled, social-housing dwelling, welfare recipients which they didn't even as little as five years ago.

Anonymous William O. B'Livion November 24, 2014 5:33 PM  

"""
Locals had hurled stones, flares and other missiles at the migrant centre, smashing windows, setting fire to dumpster rubbish bins and fighting running battles with riot police during several nights of violence. They demanded that the facility be closed down and claimed that the refugees from Africa and Asia were dirty, anti-social and violent.
"""

Dirty, anti-social and violent.

I guess the locals were complaining about unfair competition then?

Blogger Bogey November 24, 2014 5:35 PM  

You seriously think the concept of ethnic cleansing in Europe is wishful thinking? Do you know nothing of history? They do it REGULARLY.

You went off on a tangent, I specifically quoted the overnight remark.

Blogger Proud Feminist Girl November 24, 2014 5:36 PM  

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Blogger Proud Feminist Girl November 24, 2014 5:37 PM  

If diversity is so impossible, how Malaysia managed to make it work, a fusion of cultures as Muslim Malays, Chinese Buddhists and Indian Hindus, eh.

Anonymous William O. B'Livion November 24, 2014 5:39 PM  

"""
When I brought up the idea of controlling one's immigration in order to protect one's country and culture he complained that this was not the "compassionate" choice to make.
"""

Sometimes compassion is a sharp knife.

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 5:43 PM  

Bwahahaha! A few quotes from behind the link in the Proud Feminist Girl screen name:

"As a Buddhist I really feel ofended by this!"

"Oh gosh I am a bisexual introverted Young man in a small town, and I would wish men would throw at me that easy -.-"

This is obviously Me Guerrero...

Anonymous takin' a look November 24, 2014 5:44 PM  

PFGrrrrrrl!-

Because the Chinese elite rule over them. They are brutal when necessary.

Anonymous William O. B'Livion November 24, 2014 5:44 PM  

"""
If diversity is so impossible, how Malaysia managed to make it work, a fusion of cultures as Muslim Malays, Chinese Buddhists and Indian Hindus, eh.
"""

British Colonialism lasting long enough to develop rather strong institutions and no one demographic having *enough* of a majority to get away with killing the others.

See also Singapore.

Note also that in both of these cases we're talking much more of a *religious* diversity than a cultural and/or racial diversity.

I suspect (or maybe I've got the wrong country in mind) that as the Chinese continue their push for cultural superiority this will break down.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 6:01 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:

Notice that most of Europe is well below the 2.10 TFR required for zero population growth, and in some countreis such as France it's not easily possible to separate out the TFR of the colonizers from that of the natives.

A country with a TFR of 1.42 is in the process of disappearing. The Rule of 72 works on more than loan interest rates.


My reading of the CIA fact book figures for 2012 is that Sweden's birth rate is approximately 1.9 in aggregate and 1.6 for native Swedes. That is not good, but it is better than a lot of Western Europe. Greece's is so low, that in 50 years or so, ethnic Greeks will be statistically extinct. Germany, France, and Spain are not far behind.

When a society gets down to a birth rate of 1.2 children per adult female, there is no recovery.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 6:13 PM  

Proud Feminist Girl wrote:

If diversity is so impossible, how Malaysia managed to make it work, a fusion of cultures as Muslim Malays, Chinese Buddhists and Indian Hindus, eh.


They don't.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/drugs-guns-and-race-feed-malaysia-gang-violence
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/06/27/malaysia-risks-export-terror-tag-with-jihadists/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_attacks_against_places_of_worship_in_Malaysia
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-08/malaysia-violent-crime-wave-escalates-with-shootings-car-blast.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/6963436/Religious-violence-in-Malaysia-escalates-as-more-churches-attacked.html

OpenID simplytimothy November 24, 2014 6:17 PM  

@FALPhil

*Am I correct that Kosovo was the U.S. taking the side of Islam against Christendom?

Yes. From a cultural and civilization perspective, we fought on the wrong side. A similar case around the moral perspective can be made too
.

Thank you.

Anonymous PA November 24, 2014 6:29 PM  

"When a society gets down to a birth rate of 1.2 children per adult female, there is no recovery"

So what happens to the 1,200,000 children who were born to the two million women?

Anonymous cheddarman November 24, 2014 6:41 PM  

Putin, no doubt, sees the future getting brighter for Russia every day. Being a KGB Colonel, he no doubt sees and opportunity to drive a wedge in between continental Europe and the (formerly) Anglo-Saxon powers of the UK/US/Cananda/Australia

all he needs to do is support the right of traditionally minded European youth to defend their cultures from the muslims and traitors , and he will emerge as their champion

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 6:44 PM  

PA wrote:

So what happens to the 1,200,000 children who were born to the two million women?


The 2 million women have 2.4 million children of which 1.2 million are women. Those 1.2 million women have 1.44 million children of whom 720,000 are women.

I think you can get the picture...

Anonymous PA November 24, 2014 6:46 PM  

So you do not allow for changes in trends.

OpenID simplytimothy November 24, 2014 6:47 PM  

Umm... the vast majority of the immigrants here are wetbacks.

The simple peace of plain speaking. Thank you Lord.

Up here at the TN/NC border its the same, but the numbers are nowhere near what you see in the lowlands. Our culture is the dominant one and its a good thing; I don't want to see this place turn into what I saw happening in Florida.

Funny story. At the local Hardees, there is a mexican girl at the drive through but she has a the native deep NC accent. Most incongruous thing you ever seen or heard; puts a smile on my face every time I hear it.

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 6:50 PM  

Being a KGB Colonel, he no doubt sees and opportunity to drive a wedge in between continental Europe and the (formerly) Anglo-Saxon powers of the UK/US/Cananda/Australia

Even "no doubt" is an understatement. Here, I just opened Pravda English and just looked randomly somewhere.

"Will Russians sell their soul to American devil for piece of parmesan cheese?"

Golly gee whiz.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 6:53 PM  

PA wrote:

So you do not allow for changes in trends.


What I allow is that historically, societies that get to that low a birth rate either die out or are absorbed by a more prolific society.

I understand your point, and theoretically it could happen, but so far, there is no empirical evidence that it will happen.

Anonymous Joe November 24, 2014 6:53 PM  

"Japan's economic problems have nothing to do with needing a larger population."

Nobody wants to buy Japanese stuff anymore. Why we Europeans should continue to support them is beyond me. We need to produce our own products and export them to Japan. Perhaps "gothic lolita" outfits made in France may sell well there. And frankly modern day Made in Japan products are not impressive either, some are even defective by design.

Blogger FALPhil November 24, 2014 6:55 PM  

Markku wrote:

Golly gee whiz.


Didn't you mean, "Golly Cheez Whiz"?

Yuk, yuk! ;-)

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 7:03 PM  


So what happens to the 1,200,000 children who were born to the two million women?


In some parts of Spain now there are four grandparents, two parents, and one grandchild. March that forward in time and it should be obvious how the population shrinks.

The mean age of a group slides upwards as well, leading to more old people and fewer young people. All pension systems are based on an expanding and productive population; you cannot substitute illiterate inbred tribalists for literate outbred nationalists and have the society remain stable, so immigration does not solve this problem.

Japan is in population decline. There are fewer Japanese alive now than there were last year. And no end in sight, because there are more Japanese alive over the age of 60 than under the age of 20.

Sure, there have been times in the past of massive die offs such as the Plague, but we are in a different and unknown territory. It isn't obvious how to restore birth rates to even ZPG levels.

Anonymous kfg November 24, 2014 7:20 PM  

What if the question isn't how to restore birth rates to ZPG, but to restore them to ZPG at circa 1900 levels?

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 7:23 PM  

It isn't obvious how to restore birth rates to even ZPG levels.

Make birth control illegal. BAM! Above ZPG levels almost instantly.

Blogger JCclimber November 24, 2014 7:31 PM  

Kill the economy, kill the entertainment, and people will stay home and breed the next generation.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Fifty Cents November 24, 2014 7:39 PM  

Make birth control illegal. BAM! Above ZPG levels almost instantly.

Wouldn't a magic wand be more effective? And equally likely?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 7:42 PM  

What if the question isn't how to restore birth rates to ZPG, but to restore them to ZPG at circa 1900 levels?

That would appear to require a period of population decline to get population down to 1900 levels, followed by a rather massive TFR increase in order to push the TFR back up to 2.10. No idea how one goes about that without some kind of total social control.

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 7:47 PM  

No idea how one goes about that without some kind of total social control.

You know, birth control isn't something you can make at home. You don't have to snoop on every single individual. Just the industries capable of producing it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 8:05 PM  

You know, birth control isn't something you can make at home.

Ok.

You don't have to snoop on every single individual. Just the industries capable of producing it.

Does that include all the industries that make thermometers, calendars, and pencils?

Now, come on. Are you seriously proposing a society where all drug companies, all chemical companies, and so forth are totally controlled by government…rather like, oh, East Germany .. and the birth rate goes up?

You can't be serious. Just get a magic wand.

Anonymous Anonymous November 24, 2014 8:07 PM  

For the left its not cultural suicide, its cultural destruction. Its deliberate, but unspoken. Once they destroy the culture, they figure they will replace it with a benevolent communist dictatorship.

It'll be seamless, just you watch.

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 8:09 PM  

Now, come on. Are you seriously proposing a society where all drug companies, all chemical companies, and so forth are totally controlled by government…rather like, oh, East Germany .. and the birth rate goes up?

Yes, in this regard. But it's not going to happen soon. People have to start getting much more widely the idea that this is an existential threat.

However, neither does a populace just disappear suddenly, either. Not due to too low birth rate. There's plenty of time to get to the necessary, general feeling of alarm. And once we're there, then the solution is simple and effective.

Anonymous PA November 24, 2014 8:35 PM  

"Does that include all the industries that make thermometers, calendars, and pencils?"

Birth rates are driven by teenage girls with burning panties. They will take birth control pills and later fuck. They will not pay attention to notes on the calendar when they want to fuck.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 24, 2014 8:40 PM  

When you get rid of the parasites, life is a lot better.

Blogger Matamoros November 24, 2014 8:55 PM  

Fred Reed:
The Second American Revolution
http://fredoneverything.net/Rebellion.shtml

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 9:11 PM  

Ok, Markku, so I assume your government of the future also will be controlling what plants people grow as well? No vitex, for example?


Birth rates are driven by teenage girls with burning panties.


Are you sure about that? So you don't see any place for sex within marriage at all?

They will take birth control pills and later fuck.

Or they will fuck and the use any of several things if they miss a period. Including various herbal agents. Some known for centuries.

They will not pay attention to notes on the calendar when they want to fuck.

Ok, so lots of single mothers, that's going to build a stable society?


This sudden lust for a police state on the site is most interesting.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 24, 2014 9:14 PM  

Added a reply to PA onto a reply to Markku but failed to ID.

This sort of top-down approach to societal change is basically a variation on what tyrants have done for thousands of years. It always winds up badly.

Why are you two suddenly looking for tyranny as a solution?

Blogger Markku November 24, 2014 9:35 PM  

Ok, Markku, so I assume your government of the future also will be controlling what plants people grow as well? No vitex, for example?

Not reliable enough to make a difference. Might skip a few menstruation cycles, but not enough to prevent the "accident" sooner or later.

Blogger rycamor November 24, 2014 9:40 PM  

You get the feeling these guys are ready for a European reconquista:

Let's get ready to rumble

Feel the fire, he's entering the ring
His mindset only knows how to win
This Danish fighter will break you in two
You will feel all his power

The viking warrior, Mikkel Kessler
Will now brand his name in the back of your head, yeah
You feel the floor again, unleashing his hell
You will not even hear the bell
Maybe you're strong, but you don't stand a chance

Feel the power of a warrior
Fight, fight, fight, fight
Let's get ready to rumble
Fight, fight, fight, fight

Breaking your record and breaking your bones
Born a warrior with a code
A champion feeding your face with a fist
You will feel all his power

The viking warrior, Mikkel Kessler
Will now brand his name in the back of your head, yeah
You feel the floor again, unleashing his hell
You will not even hear the bell
Maybe you're strong, but you don't stand a chance

Feel the power of a warrior
Fight, fight, fight, fight
Let's get ready to rumble
Fight, fight, fight, fight

A gladiator's left hand hook
Fight, fight, fight, fight
Feel the pain tomorrow

Behold, here comes the son
Believe it, he was born to be the chosen one
The call is for a warrior
His name will echo on the sea and on the ground

Feel the fire, he's entering the ring
His mindset only knows how to win
This Danish fighter will break you in two
You will feel all his power

The viking warrior, Mikkel Kessler
Will now brand his name in the back of your head, yeah
You feel the floor again, unleashing his hell
You will not even hear the bell
Maybe you're strong, but you don't stand a chance

Feel the power of a warrior
Fight, fight, fight, fight
Let's get ready to rumble
Fight, fight, fight, fight

A gladiator's left hand hook
Fight, fight, fight, fight
Feel the pain tomorrow

Behold, here comes the son
Believe it, he was born to be the chosen one
The call is for a warrior
His name will echo on the sea and on the ground


(Hat tip to Nate for bringing this excellent band to my attention)

Anonymous Jack Amok November 24, 2014 9:45 PM  

Any idea on what percentage of births to white women are nonwhite kids?

Not many, despite the fantasies SJW try to sell.

Regarding birth rates, a society that rediscovers masculinity wlll see dramatically rising birth rates, with or without birth control, and no police state needed. Jeez, do you guys pay no attention to this stuff at all? Women do their damndest not to get pregnant by wimps. Fewer sackless wonders = more babies. Less police state feminism = fewer sackless wonders.

Anonymous Lana November 24, 2014 9:47 PM  

"The youth of Europe will remain inactive until they lose their fear of defying the machinery of the state that is keeping them in line. Right now they fear the consequences of taking action more than they fear the threat to the survival of their country and people. Once that situation reverses, it could turn ugly very fast."

It may well be that this is where half the US is also. It would not surprise me a bit to learn that the South and Texas are just patiently waiting for FedGov to overspend and overextend to the point that they can finally act without fear of being crushed. Some who have been reading Victoria may have been nodding along when this point was made. Just a thought, but DC will go down in flames long before there are enough illegals to make a damn bit of difference in the outcome. Birthrates are irrelevant if action is allowed on a workable timetable.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 24, 2014 11:33 PM  

“The New York Times had an article "The Data of Hate" that shows white middle class millenials are joining on-line white supremacist sites like Stormfront at rates way above their age group proportions.”

Joining, yes. But it is entirely conceivable they are merely getting things off their chest. When push came to shove, will they actually take up arms and begin shooting darkies and their white acolytes?


“but around the world because of attempts to deny people their natural tribal inclinations.”

You do recall that it was considered uncouth for Germans to marry the English, the Irish to marry Italians, the French to marry Native Americans, etc. So, along the way, these “natural inclinations” became less apparent as civilized people intermingled.


“Instapundit linked to this earlier this week: Utah considers cutting of the water to the NSA collection center. The American people are preparing to and will act to end this tyranny.”

Preparing, yes. Will? Only if this bill passes. Which, as of now, doesn’t appear likely.


“If Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma banded together into a cohesive unit, they would have petroleum and the Mississippi River as revenue generators...Natural resource excise taxes would take care of everything.”

Any hard numbers to back up this claim???


“They protected their people from - well, other nobles mostly - made wise laws, set examples, and were admired and loved in return.”



Jack, shut up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie

Blogger FALPhil November 25, 2014 12:09 AM  

Yankee Imperialist wrote:

Any hard numbers to back up this claim???


Sure. But the math is simple so you should be able to work it out. Here's a hint: the budget will be slightly less than the revenue.

Sorry, but you fell into that one head first. Paradigm shift, baby!

Anonymous Jack Amok November 25, 2014 12:32 AM  

Jack, shut up.

You've had a reading comprehension fail. Go back and re-read my comment and see if you can puzzle out whether I was saying the British (not Prussian or French BTW) aristocracy actually took care of the peasants, or if I was saying that's the fantasy liberals think they are re-creating.

And on top of that, learn some fucking manners, ass. It'll be far less embarrasing for you when you commit the inevitable blunder, like you did here.

Anonymous Smokey November 25, 2014 12:39 AM  

I wonder how Australia is going to fare when things go to hell. Anyone have an ideas?

We have a bad muzzie problem since our traitorous gov has imported most of Lebanon, we have very few guns, our cities are overtaken by foreigners and the gov is importing Africans and sticking them in welfare housing in rural towns. Add to that the Chinese have practically colonized us in order to take our mineral wealth and it all looks bad.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 25, 2014 1:29 AM  

Smokey: "We have a bad muzzie problem since our traitorous gov has imported most of Lebanon, we have very few guns, our cities are overtaken by foreigners and the gov is importing Africans and sticking them in welfare housing in rural towns. Add to that the Chinese have practically colonized us in order to take our mineral wealth and it all looks bad."

All true.

But take away the looming shadow of anti-white America, and we might have a different attitude. I think it's correct that if America had a pro-white revolution, in some form, our political class would howl and condemn, and then follow suit a few years later. They are not going to be in the way of some Wesley Clark whatever happens.

Anonymous BB November 25, 2014 2:07 AM  

@ Smokey

Sounds much like the European scenario.

Get together with likeminded Australians. Assuming your people's state of mind is the same as ours, the objective must be to reverse the demoralization heaped onto you, and regain your moral Wehrfähigkeit.

This goal should be pursuited in any which way, from each according to his ability (I know some will want to give me hell for that one). Peter preaches from a soapbox, Dieter distrubutes leaflets, Udo uploads a podcast to youtube, Tanja talks to her girlfriends, etc.

After a while, you'll find yourself with a large group of people whose stance on the central question has shifted: the defense of Australian interests is now non-negotiable. Many of these will be higher-ups in the worlds of business, academia and politics. Congratulations, you have just succesfully appropriated the post-Stalinist left's most potent weapon: the shaping of the zeitgeist.

As for the Chinese, they won't be allies to your efforts, nor will they be crucial IMHO. If they are mainly present in a colonial function, as you suggest, their biggest concern will be the protection of their assets/profits, which is easily reconciled with your pro-civilizational efforts.

Blogger Brad Andrews November 25, 2014 1:19 PM  

from each according to his ability

That can work with voluntary associations. It fails when enforced by government edict. That is why it can work in your example, but not for an entire country.

Blogger Feather Blade November 25, 2014 1:42 PM  

Markku: Wait, they backed off? Where can I read the latest on that?

I don't think the city backed off, but the owners of The Hitching Post are suing the city.

Search "Hitching Post Coeur d'Alene, ID"

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 25, 2014 10:57 PM  

“You've had a reading comprehension fail.”


Chump, your overall point was that the aristocracy was all “seashells and balloons”. That is observably false.

The peasants of merry old England also had their issues with their “civilized” nobility.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt#Eastern_England

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cade


“…or if I was saying that's the fantasy liberals think they are re-creating.”

The fantasy is people believing that from the ashes of the impending civil war in America—if and when that occurs—will definitively rise one or more distinct white conservative, Christian, civilized regions whose political system is predicated on a confederation and whose economy is based on the gold standard. A possibility, to be sure, but one that is far from being a certainty.

Besides, it has been demonstrated here on this fine, upstanding blog that one cannot even clearly delineate 1) a "true" white, 2) what is civilized, and 3) who is a "true" Christian.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 25, 2014 11:05 PM  

“Do you know nothing of history? They do it REGULARLY.”

I was under the impression that Europeans were bonded together by their “whiteness”, but it is clear that they have a penchant for going white chimp. Notably, a number of ethnic massacres occurred in the time period between 1900-1940.

So, will the sophisticated Europeans of today harken back to a time to channel their inner “Bill The Butcher” on a scale reflective of that time period?

I eagerly await the impending blood on the streets by “civilized whites” against the shades of darkies.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 25, 2014 11:28 PM  

Chump, your overall point was that the aristocracy was all “seashells and balloons”. That is observably false.

Doubling down on stupid is no way to respond son. You see, when you say something about my comment and I say you've had a reading comprehension fail, that means you got the idea wrong. I've told you twice now that you are incorrect in your understanding of what I wrote. This isn't a debate about some external fact - this is me telling you straight up that you misunderstood my comment. There's zero room for you to disagree. Are you going to pay attention to that, or are we done with this conversation?
.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 25, 2014 11:53 PM  

"Are you going to pay attention to that, or are we done with this conversation?"

Nigger, please.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 26, 2014 1:56 AM  

Yeah, that's about what I expected.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 26, 2014 11:01 AM  

My response was appropriate given your level of ass-hattery.

Anonymous Discard November 27, 2014 4:20 AM  

Yankee Imperialist: As long as you're hanging your ass out the window, I think I'd be a poor sport not to take a whack at it.
Look Dummy. Many ideas cannot be clearly delineated to everyone's satisfaction. That doesn't mean that we cannot discus or use those ideas, like "White", "civilized", and "Christian". Can you tell us what "imperialism" or "ass-hattery" mean in a way that we all could accept? No? Then stop babbling about them.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 27, 2014 10:29 AM  

"That doesn't mean that we cannot discus or use those ideas, like "White", "civilized", and "Christian"."

Feel free to discuss them. But when you cannot even definitively define these terms and consistently apply them, then the conversation is nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Anonymous Discard November 28, 2014 4:30 AM  

Yankee Imperialist: Definitively define "imperialism" and "ass-hattery". Or is all your talk empty rhetoric?

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 28, 2014 7:48 AM  

Discard, I am not falling for your diversionary tricks. It only proves my point--you cannot even definitively define these terms and consistently apply them.

Anonymous Discard November 28, 2014 4:23 PM  

Yankee Imperialist: You're full of shit, and I just punctured your colon. Why should others be obligated to meet a standard that you don't?

Look stupid, some words just can't be definitely defined. (Did you notice, btw, that your phrasing is comically redundant?) The meaning of many words depends on the context, the point of view of the speaker, or the audience. We even have a common phrase that embodies that: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". So go back to your English tutor and demand a refund.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 29, 2014 2:30 AM  

"Look stupid, some words just can't be definitely defined."

Yet, you and your boy Titus persistently mouth off "whites who are anti-white" and "minorities are uncivilized" without taking into serious consideration context, point of view, or audience, the standards that YOU just set forth.

The important point to note is that you both perpetually say the same thing ad nauseam. It's tiring. Clearly provide the definition and cogent examples rather than offer generalities in regards to "white", "civilized", and "Christian".

Anonymous Discard November 29, 2014 6:48 PM  

Yankee Imperialist: Titus is not my boy. He speaks for himself.
Speaking for myself, care to cite a comment of mine wherein I wrote that "minorities are uncivilized"? No?

Look, Dipshit. This is a blog at which, among other things, racists like myself discuss matters that interest us, like uncivilized minorities and Whites who hate Whites. I very much do take context, point of view, and the audience into consideration. That's why I'm not commenting at Salon.com. Why do you come to a blog where racists are free to say racist things and complain about it? You might as well go to a sports bar and bitch about the big screen TVs showing football.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist November 30, 2014 8:14 PM  

One more time...clearly provide the definition and cogent examples rather than offer generalities in regards to "white", "civilized", and "Christian".

Anonymous Discard November 30, 2014 10:55 PM  

Yankee Imperialist: There is no universally accepted definition for "White", "civilized", or "Christian", any more than there are universally accepted definitions for "imperialist" or "ass-hattery".

Look, Sonny. Don't you have any real friends? This is pathetic, your coming around and pretending that you're slaying some big dragon. I used to be a teacher and I had isolated kids like you, making a pest of themselves just to get some kind of dialogue. You demand that others give definitions that don't exist, and refuse to define your own terms. That's not brilliant repartee, it's kid stuff. I'm sorry that you're so lonely, but I can't help you. I can't tell you to go and make some friends, for all I know you're deaf and paraplegic, with a double load of pimples and bad teeth. However, on the internet nobody knows who you really are. Find a congenial blog and make some online friends there.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist December 01, 2014 10:42 AM  

"You demand that others give definitions that don't exist, and refuse to define your own terms."

I am not the one consistently using terms that, when requested what they exactly mean, then turn tail by stating "there is no universally accepted definition" for those terms. One can offer a specific definition of a term as a starting point in dialogue. In this manner, debate can earnestly begin between two people. You are simply copping out.

And your stench of projection is overwhelming.

Clearly provide the definition and cogent examples rather than offer generalities in regards to "white", "civilized", and "Christian".

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