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Wednesday, November 26, 2014

Why the Left hates Thanksgiving

Mr. John C. Wright explains:
There is an old Chinese legend of a golden scroll on which the secret of human happiness was written; and sages and warlords, merchant-princes and emperors sought the scroll with fervor. When found, they saw the secret of the scroll consisted of one ideogram printed over and over, an ideogram they could not read. However, there was a beggar girl who could read the mysterious word.

If you know that word, then you know the secret of human happiness.

Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays for three reasons: first, it drives the Leftists crazy because it is a clearly and openly Christian holiday in the midst of a society they are fervidly attempting to dechristianize; second, it drives Leftists crazy because it is a holiday based on a historical fact, namely, Indian and Pilgrim cooperation, which flips the middle finger at the Leftist preferred narrative about non-civilized White men committing malign genocide on the non-savage Red men; and finally and most of all, it drives the Leftists crazy because the concept of being thankful, of feeling gratitude, of thanks for benefits never to be repaid, is utterly alien to their way of thinking and their way of life.

One benefit that accrues to the Christian, even if all of history, logic, and revelation should turn out to be false, and God a myth no more real than Global Warming, nonetheless, is that we Christian men feel gratitude toward our Creator for the infinite gift of creation. A noble pagan can indeed receive a gift in his stockings at Christmas, and be grateful to the giver, but a Christian can feel grateful for the legs he puts into his stockings each morning, and the world on which he walks.

The Left does not give thanks, not to anyone, human or divine, past or present, not for any reason.

Why not?
This would explain, among other things, why they prefer to call it Turkey Day.

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157 Comments:

Anonymous paleopaleo November 26, 2014 12:06 PM  

Amen!

Happy Thanksgiving Vox!

Anonymous bob k. mando November 26, 2014 12:06 PM  

to 'give thanks' to another acknowledges that the self is not God ... because a god would be fully self-sufficient and has no use for the help of others.

you can see how this would drive a spergie Atheist nuts.

Anonymous YetanotherJosh November 26, 2014 12:07 PM  

John C. Wright should be more famous. I suggest a column in a prominent paper and a series of books about a clever priest that solves crimes.

Blogger kurt9 November 26, 2014 12:15 PM  

Leftists hate anything that is not of their own ideology. They really have no concept of "live and let live".

Blogger Bocafan November 26, 2014 12:19 PM  

Well said, Mr. Wright! Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Anonymous SugarPi November 26, 2014 12:30 PM  

I had a pastor years ago who said that, in his experience, the most observable change a person displays once they are saved is an "attitude of gratitude." I'm looking forward to our family and friends' celebration of God's grace and mercy toward us.
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

OpenID tonsplace November 26, 2014 12:33 PM  

that Indian pilgrim thing is bullshit. The 1st Thanksgiving was in Jamestown before the pilgrims showed up

Blogger IM2L844 November 26, 2014 12:35 PM  

John C. Wright should be more famous. I suggest a column in a prominent paper and a series of books about a clever priest that solves crimes.

Pffft, if I had a magic fedora, I could write like that too.

Anonymous Fran November 26, 2014 12:36 PM  

How do you know, tonsplace? Got a link?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 12:40 PM  

I've been trying to rewrite this for about 6 years now, but I keep getting hung up on, ":My Lord, my God, why have You forsaken us. Still, for what it may be worth, from Thanksgiving, 2004:

Dear Lord, we thank you for the election. We thank you that that arrogant,

orange-faced, wind-surfing buffoon will not be getting into the White House any

time soon. We thank you, O’ Lord – sincerely and humbly, that Tom Daschle will

soon be standing in the unemployment line.


We thank you, Lord, for showing the RIF in Fallujah whose side you are really

on.


And Lord, we thank you for the little things, too: Ted Rall being fired by the

Washington Post, Dan Rather being eased out the door by CBS. Even in your most

trivial acts Lord – the Kerry supporter who removed himself from the gene-pool

at Ground Zero, the nuclear protester in Belgium who has now learned not to

argue with a moving freight train – your bounty showers down upon us.


We could, in our ingratitude, ask for more, Lord: Bin Ladin’s and Zarqawi’s

heads on platters, that the four most left leaning members of the Supreme Court

go down in a fiery plane crash, that New England sink into the sea…but that

would be presumptuous of us.


And besides, that’s what Christmas is for.


Amen.

Anonymous Harsh November 26, 2014 12:47 PM  

that Indian pilgrim thing is bullshit. The 1st Thanksgiving was in Jamestown before the pilgrims showed up

If that's true, then the Left should love Thanksgiving. They believe in all sorts of bullshit.

Anonymous MPC November 26, 2014 12:50 PM  

"This would explain, among other things, why they prefer to call it Turkey Day."

Turkey Day? But I thought the left celebrated Obama every day.

Dooooh hooo hooo hoo hooo hooo!

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 26, 2014 12:58 PM  

There is also the family or 'clannish' aspect of Thanksgiving that repels the Left.

As for gratitude, I think the real test is whether a man can be grateful and give thanks to people, even if they've otherwise done him harm.

I'm not sure that noble pagans don't give thanks for being alive and in the world.

Blogger JartStar November 26, 2014 1:09 PM  

Don't forget how many liberal's families are a complete mess with broken homes, relationships, and hatred between the generations. The idea of sitting down at a table with all of them could be an impossibility which fills them with despair, to anger that they have to be in the same room with them.

Anonymous willneverpostagain November 26, 2014 1:14 PM  

On top of giving Thanks to God, this holiday also holds to a tradition, and the Eternal Rebel does not do Tradition. Something about the Patriarchy, I think.

Anonymous Wyrd November 26, 2014 1:17 PM  

The only time it's appropriate to refer to Thanksgiving Day as Turkey Day is when discussing the obligatory MST3K marathon.

Anonymous p-dawg November 26, 2014 1:19 PM  

You know who else hates Thanksgiving? The guy who said "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." and "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies." But hey, we know better than that guy in so many other ways, what's one more? And it's probably a much lesser offense to celebrate Thanksgiving than Christmas. Still, I've read about what that guy does when he's pissed off, and I'm not sure I want to make him mad.

Anonymous kalel666 November 26, 2014 1:20 PM  

Progs also hate Thanksgiving as it reminds them that the early socialist organization of the Plymouth colony was a total and utter failure.

Anonymous Azimus November 26, 2014 1:23 PM  

YetanotherJosh November 26, 2014 12:07 PM

John C. Wright should be more famous. I suggest a column in a prominent paper and a series of books about a clever priest that solves crimes.


Agreed x 10. I am reading "What's Wrong With the World" by GK Chesterton now, and there are certain parallels in the way Chesterton lays out a thought and the way Wright does. Not always as concise as Chesterton, but Wright seems to take so much joy in words and their meanings, and he uses them so well, I can spot him a few extras to bring the point to razor sharpness.

"...because the concept of being thankful, of feeling gratitude, of thanks for benefits never to be repaid, is utterly alien to their way of thinking and their way of life." Superb!

Anonymous Azimus November 26, 2014 1:26 PM  

tonsplace November 26, 2014 12:33 PM
that Indian pilgrim thing is bullshit. The 1st Thanksgiving was in Jamestown before the pilgrims showed up


Methinks you missed the point of Thanksgiving.

Anonymous VD November 26, 2014 1:37 PM  

You know who else hates Thanksgiving? The guy who said "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." and "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies."

I think you've failed to apply that broadly enough, p-dawg. Obviously you are not supposed to eat anything at all, but live on the pure spirit of your self-righteousness. And sunbeams.

Anonymous Jill November 26, 2014 1:41 PM  

People seem to miss that Thanksgiving is a commemoration of a time of peace, as well as gratitude for survival against the odds. It has nothing to do with federal government policies that came about later. Perhaps if Americans were on the brink of starvation, we would be more grateful for life itself. And as far as peace goes, we certainly don't seem to care for it, not the left, nor the right. I long for peace and thank God for the abundance that currently pads me and family against disaster.

Blogger Northern Hamlet November 26, 2014 1:41 PM  

None of that is true. JartStar is way more on point.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 1:52 PM  

You know who else hates Thanksgiving? The guy who said "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." and "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies."

Context P-Dawg: Isaiah is referring specifically to the hypocrisy in improperly or unwholesomely observing set religious feasts. In the Scripturess, the word used here: mô‛ĕdı̂ym, is used only to refer to the Sabbath, Passover,the Feast of Tabernacles, the day of atonement, and Pentecost.

Yeah, sure, God hates a day where people remember to give thanks to him...especially Beleivers.

Let me guess, you probably think kids Trick or Treating is tantamount to worshipping Lucifer or pulling a Witch-of-Endor because some Blue-assed Picts allegedly did Bad Things(tm) 3000 years ago around the same time of the year. Superstitious thinking.

Anonymous Stickwick November 26, 2014 1:58 PM  

JartStar: Don't forget how many liberal's families are a complete mess with broken homes, relationships, and hatred between the generations.

Which is why the predominant theme for Thanksgiving movies is dysfunctional families. There is, of course, one exception...

...and I think I just figured out what makes Planes, Trains, and Automobiles one of the greatest holiday movies of all time. It's nominally about Neal (Steve Martin's character) and his quest to get home to his family in time for Thanksgiving, but its subtle hero is really Del (John Candy), who gives Neal the gift of empathy. Here is a man utterly bereft in life, lonely to the core, and yet Del is grateful for every little thing, even in the midst of catastrophe. As JCW said, he's thankful for the legs he puts in his stockings and the world on which he walks. And, because of this, we get Neal's moral rebirth at the end, when he finally achieves empathy. I always thought the great act of charity at the end of the movie was from Neal to Del, but it's really the other way around.

Blogger MidKnight November 26, 2014 2:01 PM  

And a happy Thanksgiving to everyone here.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 2:03 PM  

"Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays for three reasons: first, it drives the Leftists crazy because it is a clearly and openly Christian holiday in the midst of a society they are fervidly attempting to dechristianize; second, it drives Leftists crazy because it is a holiday based on a historical fact, namely, Indian and Pilgrim cooperation, which flips the middle finger at the Leftist preferred narrative about non-civilized White men committing malign genocide on the non-savage Red men; and finally and most of all, it drives the Leftists crazy because the concept of being thankful, of feeling gratitude, of thanks for benefits never to be repaid, is utterly alien to their way of thinking and their way of life."

I kept looking for evidence for all these claims made by Mr. Wright. But of course, I could not find any...because he did not provide any. He did not provide any because they do not exist.

His first claim is particularly wrong. While Thanksgiving undoubtedly has its origin in giving thanks to God, it has most certainly moved well beyond that for many, while still being primarily a religious holiday for some. Thanksgiving is every bit as much a cultural holiday that celebrates much more than faith including family and commerce. It's much like Christmas in this respect. How many people happily and giddily celebrate Christmas without ever uttering the word "Christ" in a religious context? Huge numbers. It's the same for Thanksgiving.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that people on the left call Thanksgiving "Turkey Day" any more frequently than those on the right side of the political spectrum.

Let me put this another way: FAIL!

Anonymous Cail Corishev November 26, 2014 2:04 PM  

Progs also hate Thanksgiving as it reminds them that the early socialist organization of the Plymouth colony was a total and utter failure.

I doubt 1 out of 100 progs (or Americans in general, for that matter) knows that bit of history. Everyone I know knows the same Thanksgiving story I was taught in school: the Pilgrims were having a tough time of it, not having a spiritual connection to the land like the Indians, but the Indians took mercy on them and befriended them, bringing food and teaching them how to survive, and they had the first Thanksgiving feast to celebrate.

Which, as Mr. Wright points out, still offends leftists in several ways, even if in other ways it's been infected with PC myth.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 2:04 PM  

>Turkey Day? But I thought the left celebrated Obama every day.

>Dooooh hooo hooo hoo hooo hooo!

Just leaving this here for future reference.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 2:09 PM  

>to 'give thanks' to another acknowledges that the self is not God ... because a god would be fully self-sufficient and has no use for the help of others.

>you can see how this would drive a spergie Atheist nuts.

Spergie Christians, on the other hand, are thankful for God's promise that the meek will inherit the earth. Sooner would be better than later, but all in good time either way. I doubt the rest of you will be missed.

Anonymous commune November 26, 2014 2:09 PM  

Lefty elites hate Thanksgiving because the thankfulness isn't directed at them.

Anonymous Jeigh Di November 26, 2014 2:14 PM  

Another reason that the left hates Thanksgiving is that it didn't take place until after the pilgrims gave up on their stupid experiment with socialism, with many dying in the process.

Anonymous Corvinus November 26, 2014 2:18 PM  

Spergie Christians, on the other hand, are thankful for God's promise that the meek will inherit the earth.

Meek doesn't mean "weak", it's actually closer to "cool".

Anonymous Carlotta November 26, 2014 2:18 PM  

Let me guess, you probably think kids Trick or Treating is tantamount to worshipping Lucifer or pulling a Witch-of-Endor because some Blue-assed Picts allegedly did Bad Things(tm) 3000 years ago around the same time of the year. Superstitious thinking."

You know who else hates Thanksgiving? The guy who said "Your new moons and appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." and "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies." But hey, we know better than that guy in so many other ways, what's one more? And it's probably a much lesser offense to celebrate Thanksgiving than Christmas. Still, I've read about what that guy does when he's pissed off, and I'm not sure I want to make him mad"

This is out of context. Isaiah was a prophet of Israel and was talking to them. They were sinning against Yahweh but doing the feasts thinking it would balance out. It didn't. However, Xmas you are correct about. It is a Catholic and Pagan holiday that has zero to do with the birth of the Biblical Messiah. In fact, Christian and Hebrew believers never celebrated it and were often sacrificed in the Saturnalia festivities.

"Let me guess, you probably think kids Trick or Treating is tantamount to worshipping Lucifer or pulling a Witch-of-Endor because some Blue-assed Picts allegedly did Bad Things(tm) 3000 years ago around the same time of the year. Superstitious thinking."

@DT

Halloween IS a high holy day for pagans. All the traditions that people practice for fun were horrendous for those who had them murderously forced on them. It is not Superstitious to stay away from the practices of the heathen, it is commanded by a Holy God who calls us to be set apart and could give a rats behind about how much we like candy and treats. Chose you this day.



"

Anonymous Carlotta November 26, 2014 2:22 PM  

Sigh. I had pdawg 's comment and DT's separate. I also addressed pdawg. It got erased. DT'S comment posted twice and no matter how many times I try to preview my comments it will not allow me to scroll up. Sorry.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 2:27 PM  

práos – meek, i.e. the necessary balance of exercising power and avoiding harshness.

In other words, you had better pray that the meek inherit the earth. We've seen enough in the last century to know what happens when the weak inherit it.

Anonymous Anubis November 26, 2014 2:28 PM  

Sorry had 2 tabs open. I doubt any leftists can enjoy Thanksgiving.

Blogger Tiny Tim November 26, 2014 2:34 PM  

If thanksgiving were a celebration of the deflowering of a virginal male by another male they would be all over it.

Then it would be "enlightened".

Blogger Tiny Tim November 26, 2014 2:37 PM  

Or possibly a celebration of the "whorification" of the American female.

Then the libs could dress their prepubescent girls up as street walkers and take selfies and post on Twitter... as a memorial.

Anonymous Beau November 26, 2014 2:39 PM  

Just finished carving 255 turkeys (with friends) to serve 3,680 senior and disabled shut-ins tomorrow. Thankfully we have another group assisting us tonight with providing food for homeless outreach as our regulars need to be in early tomorrow AM to deliver the Thanksgiving Meals. Tonight we'll be giving out a pile of Daily Bread devotionals along with the homeless meals.

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.

Anonymous Lefty November 26, 2014 2:39 PM  

I had no idea Thanksgiving drove me crazy. Good to know. Thanks JCW!!!

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 26, 2014 2:42 PM  

The Left does not give thanks, not to anyone, human or divine, past or present, not for any reason.

Why not?


In my view the short answer is pride.

According to Christian teachers, the essential vice, the utmost evil, is Pride. Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness, and all that, are mere flea bites in comparison: it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind…

… it is Pride which has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began. --C. S. Lewis

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 2:47 PM  

>Meek doesn't mean "weak", it's actually closer to "cool".

Can't say we're much of either, as a rule. Average aspie intelligence is comparable to Ashkenazi Jews, and probably better. On top of that, genius is the most important sort of strength, and you won't find many neurotypical geniuses. On top of that, our girls are the prettiest, and the genes are recessive. Even if our males don't reproduce, the rest of you can't help yourselves from creating more of us. You're a clever guy, so I don't have to prove to you that it is literally just a matter of time. Aspies don't even need to encourage ordinary people to kill each other off, it's just the way ordinary people are wired.

Here's the relevant bit on genius:

""In studying the history of genius and the lives of geniuses it quickly becomes obvious that most if not all geniuses are Aspergoid, although a formal diagnosis is as good as never available (which is logical as Asperger was only in the 1990s added to the diagnostic manuals).

In fact the real challenge is to come up with examples of non-Aspergoid genius. If such exists, it is most likely to be found in the performing arts (singing, dancing, acting) and in the non-exact or "alpha" sciences. Possible candidates are the composer W. A. Mozart and the psychiatrist S. Freud (not that I personally consider them geniuses; I just mention them because they are generally considered that).""

Nuclear bombs and superviruses don't engineer themselves.

Anonymous My Take November 26, 2014 2:49 PM  

Amen, Mr. Wright. We all have much to be thankful for. I wish all of the ilk a peaceful and joyous thanksgiving day.

Anonymous Giuseppe November 26, 2014 2:50 PM  

OT: Vox,
My view is that the OT has been superseeded by the NT, as it clearly says in the NT.
What is your view on this?
Thanks.

Blogger IM2L844 November 26, 2014 2:56 PM  

Let me put this another way: FAIL!

I can't see any reason to consider your knowledge claims any less spurious than Mr. Wright's.

Anonymous Dirtnapninja November 26, 2014 2:59 PM  

I wonder how many of these zits who hate thanksgiving participate in that other holiday that celebrates the survival of a group of people who would later go onto conquer and colonise the land they arrived in. A holiday called Passover.


Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 3:02 PM  

"I can't see any reason to consider your knowledge claims any less spurious than Mr. Wright's."

Fair enough. Let's ask the question, why does Mr. Wright offer no evidence for his claims. He will offer none, of course, And I know why, but it would be interesting to hear his justification for babbling and pretending its making sense.

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 3:04 PM  

I am always baffled when a Leftist asks me to provide proof for something he does habitually, usually when he is in the very act of doing the thing, some mental malapropism, of which I speak.

I am doubly baffled when, in the space of what is supposed to be a thousand word long column (usually I reach twice that length) I give a very clear and trenchant example of the behavior mentioned, one taken from my own experience in my own field, and the Leftist smirks that I gave him no examples.

So... the Left are not ungrateful, eh? What of their criticisms of STAR TREK the original series for being sexist, or Playboy Magazine? Is Hefner and Roddenberry not foremost fighters in your van? Are they not your progenitors to whom you owe gratitude?

What about when you answer my innocent and harmless wife when she says one should judge men by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin by calling her a racist -- in what way does this not spit in the face and trample the grave of Martin Luther King, whose words she quoted unaltered?

In this case I answer the jackass brays of the jackasses simply enough: the column quoted was not a legal indictment of proof meant to convince a rational skeptic. The skeptic needs must be rational for that process to be attempted, and EveryJoe columns are not the place to do that.

I confined my comments to those in my audience who are confounded and confused by the Leftist behavior mentioned, and seek an explanation of the madness.

As far the ungrateful and mentally diseased Leftist who things it is the soul of wit merely to deny reality with a smirk, I say only this:

Sir, aside from the one reply, your only reply, the only reply only one of the Left ever utters in reply, namely, the smirk, have you nothing to say, no way to prove your point, no way to correct me if my impression is wrong, no way to prove an error in my logic if my logic errs?

The answer is no. Aside from the braying, there is no other arrow in your quiver, no other shell in your gun, no bullets in your rifle.

It should be simple enough to prove me wrong. Find me, let us say, four quotes each from the four most famous political, artistic, and media figures of the Left (let us say Barack Obama, Sean Penn or Brad Pitt, and Dan Rather) giving thanks and expressing gratitude toward God, toward the United States, and toward our forefathers for the many blessing showed upon this nation.

Just four quotes each from those four figures, or four others equally as famous and famously Leftwing, expressing grateful thanks for the nation our Pilgrim fathers founded.

Should be simple, right? Five minutes work on Google.

Blogger Outlaw X November 26, 2014 3:08 PM  

The Left does not give thanks, not to anyone, human or divine, past or present, not for any reason.


How does one come to this conclusion? I know lefties that are thankful for many things such as their family and their cats.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 3:13 PM  

"His first claim is particularly wrong. While Thanksgiving undoubtedly has its origin in giving thanks to God, it has most certainly moved well beyond that for many"

Yeah. Those 'many' are the leftists he is talking about.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 3:14 PM  

"How does one come to this conclusion? I know lefties that are thankful for many things such as their family and their cats."

To whom are they thankful?

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother November 26, 2014 3:16 PM  

Right on cue, the Left shows up to hate Thanksgiving and those who celebrate it. I'll give ThanksTurkeyDay a head start on proving John C Wright wrong. Look up George Washington' s statement accompanying the passage of legislation establishing Thanksgiving as a national holiday. Washington is explicit in his emphasis that Thanksgiving has no religious or historical basis. It is easy to find on Google.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 3:17 PM  

"To whom are they thankful?"

Their Gods.
Their Families
Their Friends
Fate.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 3:19 PM  

You realize being thankful to fate proves his point, right?

Blogger Danby November 26, 2014 3:19 PM  

@ThanksTurkeyDay
"Fair enough. Let's ask the question, why does Mr. Wright offer no evidence for his claims. He will offer none, of course,"

Nor does he feel the need to offer evidence that the sky is blue. If you cannot see what he is describing, it is because you do not wish to see it, and likely because he is not talking to you, you halfwit. He is talking to a assemblage of people who have already made the observation of what is happening, and joining the discussion as to why it is happening, not making a formal, full and complete end-to-end philosophical argument to a skeptical audience.
I note you do not deny what he says, but simply attempt to disqualify that statement that the predicate is unproven. this is a typical moronic, intellectually vapid, lefty tactic, straight from the internet arguing checklist.
"And I know why, but it would be interesting to hear his justification for babbling and pretending its making sense."
To quote the subject of your effeminate snit, "Is this a guessing game where you act like a coy schoolgirl and do not say what you mean, while I act like a man and speak in complete sentences?"

Leftists like you (and I know you are a Leftist by the say you respond, like a 12-year-old girl) are dedicated, morally, intellectually and spiritually to not seeing reality, preferring their own constructed view that they substitute for reality.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 3:21 PM  

Also I've never known a leftist who was either grateful to or for their families. Each and every one has their own sob story about how bad they had it growing up.

Blogger ray November 26, 2014 3:23 PM  

Well said.

What a magnificent and generous LORD we have! He poured out his grace and gifts on this nation, even knowing its schemes and betrayals and hatred of him. But he did it for us, in spite of this place. Praise Yahweh God. Hallelu-Jah!

Special thanks today to Special Forces capo EW, whose good works towards the LORD and the nation are writ on eternity. May he and his descendants inherit in Father's Kingdom. I am very thankful for the lovers of Truth that remain in this sad and sorry world.

Open skies and unlimited ceiling EW. Cheers.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 3:25 PM  

"So... the Left are not ungrateful, eh? What of their criticisms of STAR TREK the original series for being sexist, or Playboy Magazine? Is Hefner and Roddenberry not foremost fighters in your van? Are they not your progenitors to whom you owe gratitude? "

Is the entire "left" critical of Star Trek? Of just one or two people you've come across? Is the Entire Right all out bigots who believe black people are "mud people" and deserve to be enslaved as some I've come across say.

Your brush is just big enough to confirm your bias isn't it.

"As far the ungrateful and mentally diseased Leftist who things it is the soul of wit merely to deny reality with a smirk"

You've demonstrated quite clearly that you couldn't find reality if it set up shop on your own ass.

You've made an assertion about the entire "left" with nothing to back it up. Offer up proof of your assertion. Without it, you are just braying like a typical unthinking conservative.

Anonymous 0007 November 26, 2014 3:26 PM  

Personally I am thankful for another chance to see the most famous episode of the old _WKRP_, the infamous "Turkey Drop".
"...As G-- is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 3:26 PM  

"Nor does he feel the need to offer evidence that the sky is blue. If you cannot see what he is describing, it is because you do not wish to see it,"

Please! If I disagree with you it's only because I'm wrong. Please tell me you have more than that to go with.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 3:26 PM  

And hey, ayo, we made it: Thanksgivin'
So hey, maybe we can make it to Christmas
She asked me what I wished for on my wishlist
Have you ever asked your bitch for other bitches?


- Kanye West

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 3:27 PM  

@KLM

Romans 14:4.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother November 26, 2014 3:29 PM  

ThanksTurkeyDay:

If you have hate in your heart, let it out!

I love how leftists shown up to argue the point, thus proving it better than we ever could. Hateful, snarky, bitter and vindictive. I hope you are able to find peace, TTD. Anger just consumes your soul slowly.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 3:29 PM  

Turkey for you and
Turkey for me
Can't believe Tyson
Gave that girl V.D.


- Adam Sandler

Anonymous Watcher November 26, 2014 3:30 PM  

ThanksTurkeyDay; last time I recall seeing an ilk pressed on a similar assertion, they just kept dialing back the definition of "leftist" until it nearly meant "Josef Stalin and his inner circle"

Anonymous VD November 26, 2014 3:32 PM  

You've made an assertion about the entire "left" with nothing to back it up. Offer up proof of your assertion.

You want proof? Very well. All that is necessary to prove a case is two eyewitnesses. I am one. I have never, ever, seen a Leftist be truly thankful. Not to God, not to their parents, not even to the nameless spirit of the Universe. They have no one to whom they can be grateful. Do I have a second to conclude the proof?

Now, I have seen some socialist-leaning individuals be grateful to God. But they are not the crabbed, godless, Leftists of whom Mr. Wright writes. We all know perfectly well what sort of individual he is describing.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 3:33 PM  

@ Carlotta

Halloween IS a high holy day for pagans. All the traditions that people practice for fun were horrendous for those who had them murderously forced on them. It is not Superstitious to stay away from the practices of the heathen, it is commanded by a Holy God who calls us to be set apart and could give a rats behind about how much we like candy and treats. Chose you this day.

Choose you this day…

I could not agree more with you in general, could not agree with you less that Halloween falls into that catgegory.

Despite it being rampant: Sloppy, oversimplistic, and superstitious thinking should not belong in the Church. Yet, The hubbub over Halloween falls squarely in that category.

I would take issue with the assertion the "Halloween" is a "high holy day" of “pagans”….In fact I would go so far as to call BS on that.

First, you need to be specific about a couple of things: Which “Halloween”, what “Pagans”, and what “Practices” to which you are referring specifically?

Most anti-Halloween Christians seem to believe the Jack Chick version of history, where Halloween is a direct continuation/descendant of Druidic Rituals where Druids supposedly demanded human sacrifice on Halloween and marked lintels with blood in a parody of Passover where the marks led spirits to kill an occupant during the night where the sacrifice “treat” couldn’t be produced. Of course this narrative is poorly sourced B.S. based on very scanty Roman sources. Druids may have been into human sacrifice, but we don’t certainly have any detail like the Jack Chick narrative claims for Halloween. In any case the pagan Gaelic/Celtic festivals such as Samhain (despite their modern observance) were not originally specifically associated with Oct 31st…they were harvest and Equinox related.

Despite the fact that in the Celtic/Gaelic lands the Christian Festival of All Hallows Eve had some blending with the local traditions, the practice of disguises, begging, and mischief didn’t start until the 16th or 17th centuries and wasn’t unique to the British Isles by any means. I would also point out that modern so-called “Pagans” and “Wiccans” didn’t choose to start celebrating Halloween until the mid to late 20th century; whereas the modern American practice of costumes and trick or treating specifically for candy started in the EARLY 20th century. So in terms of practice, I am to believe that the practice of wearing costumes and soliciting candy has been converted ex-post-facto to the occult because historically inauthentic so-called pagans and wiccans decided that Halloween was as good a place as any to do their Pagan-thang?

So, if modern Pagans and so-called Wiccans decided that the Second Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox was their preferred time to celebrate sex and death while rutting around Moon-clad (because prehistoric pagans may have celebrated for Ostara) , this would suddenly mean all of the Christians celebrating the Risen Savior on Resurrection Sunday were practicing the Occult?!? That all the mouths confessing Jesus is Lord were really being put down on the Ledger for Team Lucifer?!? I think not. And the same applies to Halloween.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 3:34 PM  

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Unless you’re an Indian or a turkey. So I guess ‘Happy TG to all we don’t kill!’

- Bill Maher

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother November 26, 2014 3:34 PM  

Vox,

I'll second you. Nothing but complaining about having to live like a king in The West.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 26, 2014 3:35 PM  

ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 3:25 PM
Without it, you are just braying like a typical unthinking conservative.


disqualify, disqualify, disqualify ...

i, on the other hand, am grateful that Barack Obama induced race riots in Ferguson.

Anonymous Dr. Gary G. Kohls, Center for Research on Globalization November 26, 2014 3:39 PM  

We turkey-celebrating, obese, sports-addicted, shop-until-you-drop, historically-illiterate couch potatoes are all beneficiaries of the acts of our guilty ancestors who may have been unaware perpetrators of the crimes against humanity that occurred during the never-ending, shameful 500 year-long history of genocide, ethnic cleansing, colonizing and occupation of the people and the land that rightfully belonged the aboriginal tribes that had inhabited North, Central and South America for thousands of years before Columbus (who had no clue as to where he was) and his sex-starved sailors disembarked from their stinking ships and started pillaging the land and raping the most nubile female inhabitants back in 1492. (Soon cutting off the hands of those who couldn’t bring in their quota of gold from precious metal-less mines.)

Blogger JartStar November 26, 2014 3:44 PM  

Porky summed it up best by the Bill Maher quote. The leftist JCW refers to is like him and must scorn, and lampoon a day of thanksgiving as they are not thankful, and it enrages them to know there are thankful people. They are so bitter and twisted they think it is great fun and appropriate to metaphorically knock the glass of wine raised by a grandfather's hand and spit on the turkey so no one else can enjoy the moment. Hell will be locked from the inside by the likes of them.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 3:44 PM  

Dogg pound mutha Fuckin gangsta crew
Split wigs for a livin' everyday's Thanksgiving.


- Snoop Dogg

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother November 26, 2014 3:48 PM  

I'm thankful for my wife, children, the child growing inside my wife's stomach, everything I have, my job and MY 1911, MADE BY JOHN MOSES BROWNING.

Anonymous Porky November 26, 2014 3:48 PM  

You didn't have to squeeze it, but you did
But you did, but you did,
And I thank you.


- ZZ Top

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 26, 2014 3:59 PM  

I like this one from Ace of Spades.

...One thing that interests me about these Bluffers' Guides to Politics:

Supposedly progressives are super-informed and Love Science. Indeed, that's the main "political" argument they're actually arguing for.

So why is it so many of them seem to need these bluffer's guides to explain to them why they believe the things they believe?

It doesn't really make sense, does it? They're anxious because they're going to a Thanksgiving dinner where they won't have an Automatic Affirmation Clap Circle applauding their poses and posturings, but instead might be asked things like "Where are you getting that claim from?"

And this produces in them a terrible anxiety -- an anxiety disclosed by all these articles in their first paragraphs, which note the anxiety and fear before proposing a way to combat it.

But if they believe all these things so terribly fiercely, shouldn't they already sorta know why they believe them?

It's incredible, when you think about it -- they go through the whole year believing in their progressive catechisms zealously but only bother to ask Why do we believe this progressive religious nonsense again? one single day of the year, the one single day of the year where they fear they might be questioned about their religious beliefs.


No wonder they hate Thanksgiving.

Blogger Danby November 26, 2014 3:59 PM  

@ThanksTurkeyDay
"Please! If I disagree with you it's only because I'm wrong. Please tell me you have more than that to go with."

Very well. What argument have you actually made? You have made no argument. You have implied an assertion, but you are much too girlish to actually state it outright, like a man. Disqualification is not an argument, it is a cheap trick to intended imply that one's opponent has no right to say what he is saying. It is a complex way of covering your ears and shouting "SHUT UP!" at someone you don't want to hear.

So what is your argument, beside "SHUT UP!"?

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 4:06 PM  

@ ThanksTurkeyDay

"Is the entire "left" critical of Star Trek?"

Do you always answer a question with a question? Then I will return the favor, and answer your question with a question:

How many of the Left and how vocal must they be before a reasonable man can properly conclude that the statement in question represents a consensus of belief?

Or, again, taking you as a typical Leftist and as well able to speak for your faction as any, is or is not the way women were portrayed in the first three seasons of Star Trek, taken as a whole, problematical or not when it comes to the sexes?

Allow me to clarify that question with specifics:

1. In the episode 'Space Seed' when the historian ensign McGivers is seduced by the forceful and masculine superman, Khan Noonien Singh, does this or does this not portray women in an unflattering light that plays into well established anti-female stereotypes?

2. In the episode 'Spocks Brain' when Kirk explains to the dimwitted but scantily clad Kara, leader of the Eymorgs, that they will find other ways to cooperate with their menfolk aside from the pain belts, is this or is this not play into a sexist stereotype of women using sexual allure to cooperate with men?

3. In the episode, The Changling, Nomad is confused when it encounters Lt. Uhura singing at her station on the bridge. After scanning her brain, Nomad concludes, “That unit is defective. Its thinking is chaotic. Absorbing it unsettled me.” To this, Mr. Spock responds, “That unit…is a woman.” Not to be outdone, Nomad’s response is even worse. “A mass of conflicting impulses,” replies the probe. Is this or is this not a sexist joke?

4. In the episode Who Mourns For Adonis, At the beginning of the episode, Kirk and McCoy watch as Scotty fawns over the beautiful Lieutenant Carolyn Palamas, the ship’s archeology and anthropology officer. Although the episode depicts Palamas as a professional, it also suggests that her position is only a temporary one. “She’s a woman – all woman,” observes McCoy. “One day she’ll find the right man and off she’ll go, out of the service.” Is this or is this not sexist on the grounds that it portrays a woman's proper role as being a wife?

5. In Balance of Terror Kirk puts his arm around the pretty Yeoman Rand to comfort her during the spaceship attack. He would never hug a male officer. Sexist?

6. In the episode “Shore Leave,” our heroes beam down to a planet which, unbeknownst to them, turns whatever fantasies they happen to be thinking of into a reality. For Yeoman Tonia Barrows, her fantasy includes being “dressed like a fairy-tale princess, with lots of floaty stuff and a tall hat with a veil.” According to dialogue, she wants to be “a lady to be protected and fought for.” Do you or do you not regard this as an unbecoming sexist stereotype?

7. In the episode Wolf in the Fold, “Wolf in the Fold” Jack the Ripper, is an energy being who feeds on the horror and fear of its prey. Redjac’s victims, however, are always women. Why doesn’t it kill men? Spock says: “I suspect [Redjac] preys on women because women are more easily and more deeply terrified, generating more sheer horror than the male of the species.” Do you regard this as a sexist portrayal of women?

Now, if you answer all seven questions in the negative, and say that such accusations are alien to the Leftist thinking, you will be the first Leftist I have encountered who says so. Then we can have a discussion about how many of you, and how forcefully, you express an opinion about STAR TREK to prove my generalization is overbroad. Then we can move on to the many other examples I mentioned which you did not answer.



Blogger Northern Hamlet November 26, 2014 4:07 PM  

John Wright,

There's no reason to include fame in narrowing your data set. So let's start right here otherwise, since I lean left:

This holiday, I'm thankful for our forefathers and the courage they had. I'm thankful for this great nation with its traditions and culture, and I want to thank God most of all for being the stronghold that protects me and the guiding light in my life.

Lastly, I'm thankful for Vox's patience and wisdom, but also for all you Ilk, who have helped me to grow intellectually, monetarily, and spiritually.

I hope you all have a wonderful and safe holiday.

Blogger Outlaw X November 26, 2014 4:14 PM  

have never, ever, seen a Leftist be truly thankful. Not to God, not to their parents, not even to the nameless spirit of the Universe. They have no one to whom they can be grateful. Do I have a second to conclude the proof?

I guess semantically you could get one. But I know lefties that are thankful to God unless the Left in which you speak is a subset of atheist.

Now, I have seen some socialist-leaning individuals be grateful to God. But they are not the crabbed, godless, Leftists of whom Mr. Wright writes.

OK that would makes sense to me.

Blogger J Curtis November 26, 2014 4:15 PM  

kept looking for evidence for all these claims made by Mr. Wright. But of course, I could not find any

You didn't even look.

Charlie Brown's Thanksgiving Special is obviously racist. " Marcie, though eccentric and possessing of an ambiguous sexuality, is caucasian enough to be allowed to remain close to the rest, but is still seated at the end towards the left side of the table. Linus chooses to seat Marcie as far away from himself as possible, separated from the larger group by the dog. Indeed, the beagle is deemed a more fit companion than any heterodox humans. (Though, perhaps Snoopy is allowed to sit with the elite in due respect for his cooking prowess. It is also noted that Snoopy, in an act of defiant compassion, serves Marcie and Franklin first.)"

Also, "Thanksgiving has also come under fire in recent years. Several years ago, for example,(Rutherford) Institute attorneys were contacted by a concerned parent who remarked that whereas in previous years teachers in their school district had been told not to mention Christmas, Easter or anything relating to God, they could no longer even mention the word “Thanksgiving” because “the pilgrims offended the Indians” and “Thanksgiving was never intended to be thanks to God!” Another parent with children in the public schools was upset and concerned when she received a letter from school officials directing classroom mothers not to use plates and napkins with Thanksgiving printed on them at their children’s fall parties."

Were these complainers to the right side of the political spectrum?

Anonymous Carlotta November 26, 2014 4:16 PM  

First, you need to be specific about a couple of things: Which “Halloween”, what “Pagans”, and what “Practices” to which you are referring specifically?


@DT
The one falling on October 31 that is celebrated by those versed in witchcraft. The Irish brought it to this country and some of the more horrendous aspects were disnefied. I mean, we no longer have Nobles that the Druids can demand human sacrifices from. So we make bobbing for apples a game and get candy. That some people participate innocently or do so willingly but without the darker aspects does not change the Holy day. Nor who it is to Worship.

As for celebration Easter/Ishtar...I don't. Again, I am neither Catholic nor Pagan. The Bible is very clear when the Messiah was crucified (during the preparation of the lamb sacrifice for the Passover) and when He rose again. And eggs and bunnies are the tricks of Ishtar.

Just because YOU claim something doesn't make it remotely true. I take the word of God over the opinions of those vested in the traditions of men they pick and chose.

It isn't that you don't know the truth. You just don't like it.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 4:26 PM  

A leftist is not a moderate who leans left.

Anonymous Carlotta November 26, 2014 4:28 PM  

And DT, to be clear, my anti-satanic holy day stance doesn't come from reading about it. It comes from being raised by real life witches.

You can rationalize dancing with the devil all you want. He is always leading.

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 4:39 PM  

@Carlotta

"You can rationalize dancing with the devil all you want. He is always leading."

Preach it, sister.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 26, 2014 4:43 PM  

@Viidad

Wow... and these folks that think that they have a genetic edge over blacks and latinos when it comes to ze brains. Irony. :P

http://www.str.org/articles/is-christmas-pagan#.VHZH9YeHdQ4

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 4:52 PM  

"The one falling on October 31 that is celebrated by those versed in witchcraft"

The one that so-called witches didn't start celebrating until AFTER kids here were doing costumes and candy?

So....what happens when the 31 flavors of Wicca decide that the preparation of the Lamb sacrifice for Passover is the right time for THEIR festivities?

BTW: You are avoiding the question which may be been delivered to subtly: Does pagan copycatting and date-cherry picking turn days "evil" or only Christian holidays?

Moreover, now that you mention it, you'll notice I said Resurrection Sunday, not Crucifixion Sunday. I am neither Catholic nor Pagan as well.

I must confess an error I made earlier: I had said "the Second Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox" when I should have said the FIRST Sunday after the first full moon of the Vernal Equinox...but I had gotten confuse thinking about Palm Sunday being a week prior.

In case you are intellectually curious, the first full moon after the vernal equinox is the paschal full moon…paschal being a transliteration of the Hebrew pesach, which if you are still curious, means Passover. Easter / Resurrection Sunday is the first Sunday after Passover. “Officially” so since the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. I know that Council is just “elevating the mere traditions of man over God’s word”…yet they somehow managed to pick the correct day to celebrate the Ressurection….So I’ll rephrase my question:

So, if modern Pagans and so-called Wiccans decided that the FIRST Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox was their preferred time to celebrate sex and death while rutting around Moon-clad (because prehistoric pagans may have celebrated for Ostara) , this would suddenly mean all of the Christians celebrating the Risen Savior on Resurrection Sunday were practicing the Occult?!?

"Just because YOU claim something doesn't make it remotely true." Demonstrate my error, please, without resorting to suspect theology borrowed from Jack Chick Psuedo-history.

"I take the word of God over the opinions of those vested in the traditions of men they pick and chose. "

As do I, yet I also use the mind God gave me to properly discriminate between symbols and substance, subject and object, so as not to be taken captive by superstitious and non-fruitful thinking.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 4:52 PM  

"You want proof? Very well. All that is necessary to prove a case is two eyewitnesses."

Are you telling me all we need is 2 people who claim to have seen a unicorn in order to prove unicorns exist?

You are an idiot. What you should have said is that all you need to make a case is 2 eyewitnesses.

And no. We don't all know the kind of leftist Mr. Wright is talking about. But I have a feeling we are about to learn that the leftist that are thankful for nothing that he is talking about are distinguished by and indentifiable as those people who lean left politically and are thankful for nothing.

Blogger Northern Hamlet November 26, 2014 4:58 PM  

Dewave,

a moderate who leans left.

You mean communist scum?

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 4:59 PM  

@Northern Hamlet

Forgive me, but the reason why I include fame as a criterion is that Leftists who a reluctant to speak in public their opinions on these central questions (namely, the role of God in life, of nation and of family) by omission are supporting the intellectual leadership of the Left, who do not share, and, indeed, violently oppose gratitude to our fathers both heavenly and earthly.

I am making two assumptions: first, that grateful and faithful Leftists are running counter to the general mainstream of their faction, and, second, a grateful and faithful Leftist, since he runs against the Leftist mainstream, receives no applause and repetition of his opinions, hence no fame.

Do you see my point? If the Left controls the media, as, by and large, in this nation, they do, they can and will effectively deny fame to anyone who contradicts their mainstream dogma.

Blogger JartStar November 26, 2014 5:05 PM  

ThanksTurkeyDay - He offered proof. He did exactly as you asked. Do you not see the mistake you just made?

Blogger Rabbi B November 26, 2014 5:05 PM  

Gratitude:

An acknowledgement of what the Lord has meant to us in the past and what He still means to us today, as well as an avowal of what our relationship to Him has been and should be.

Our Sages comment that when one day in the new future that is to come, all things on earth will be in such an ideal state that there will be no more cause for prayers and offerings; even then, prayers of gratitude and offerings of thanksgiving will never cease. For it would be only under such conditions that these acts would attain their true significance. How great is gratitude, the noblest of all human traits and destined to endure throughout eternity.

May we be made aware of the vanity of all the years of our life, of the inadequacy of all that which lies beyond us and which we think we can attain as the years go by.

All he joy and happiness of which any of us is capable of attaining dwells in the certainty that we have lived all our days, hours, and minutes on earth in gratitude and loyalty to God, and that we have faithfully discharged our duty throughout time.

And whenever God sees fit to call us away, we will boldly heed the summons, content in the thought that we have realized the goal for which we were created.

May He, therefore, teach us how to number our days aright and greet each day with a heart full of gratitude for, each day is one more day in His service. What an awesome privilege to remain in His employ, unworthy servants such as we are.

Happy Thanksgiving Ilk.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 5:30 PM  

"He offered proof. He did exactly as you asked. Do you not see the mistake you just made?"

Not only did he not provide proof that Thanksgiving "drives the Leftists crazy", he made no attempt at it. Hell, we don't even know what "Leftist" means to him. But I suspect it will mean "those who are driven crazy" by Thanksgiving.

His position is nonsense.

I lean very left, and there is nothing about Thanksgiving that drives me crazy. And I can say the same for everyone that will be at my table tomorrow save one.

If you want to get a sense of just who whacked out crazy Mr. Wright is, just consider the fact that identifying sexist behavior in 40 year old tv shows is evidence of one's "leftist" tendencies. Imagine someone making that claim. It's funny because it's stark raving mad.

Blogger Danby November 26, 2014 5:39 PM  

@ThaksTurkeyDay
Answer the question,Leftist scum.

Blogger RandalThorn November 26, 2014 5:41 PM  

I second Danby.
As per rules of the blog, either put up (answer the question) or shut the fuck up TTD (get removed from the blog).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 26, 2014 5:44 PM  

Nope I never have seen a leftist do anything more than pour vitriol out of his/her mouth towards anything remotely seen as good by the public at large.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 5:44 PM  

What question?

Blogger JartStar November 26, 2014 5:47 PM  

ThanksTurkeyDay

proof:

noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence:
What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial:
to put a thing to the proof.
4.the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5.Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6.the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

You are ignorant. See the second part of #1 and #2 in the dictionary.com definition of proof.

I'll spell it out for you since you appear to have a low IQ:

1. You asked for proof.
2. He gave you proof by the dictionary definition.
3. You deny that he gave you proof.

You are either an idiot or intellectually dishonest.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 26, 2014 5:48 PM  

Turkey droppings could tomorrow link us to a Daily Kos thread to prove us wrong. We know better and if that crap fully censored web site actually has a thread on TD it will be full of psychotic losers moaning like a SJW trying to go to the bathroom after having contracted a STD.

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 5:53 PM  

"1. You asked for proof.
2. He gave you proof by the dictionary definition.
3. You deny that he gave you proof."

And exactly what proof did Mr. Wright offer for this statement of his:

"The Left does not give thanks, not to anyone, human or divine, past or present, not for any reason"

Blogger Matamoros November 26, 2014 5:55 PM  

The Puritans hated Thanksgiving. See:

6 Amazing Catholic Thanksgiving Facts You Need to Know

http://taylormarshall.com/2014/11/6-amazing-catholic-thanksgiving-facts-you-need-to-know.html

Anonymous ThanksTurkeyDay November 26, 2014 6:01 PM  

Here's a Leftist who is thankful:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/11/25/weekly-address-president-obama-delivers-thanksgiving-greeting

http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2011/11/24/weekly-address-thanksgiving-grateful-men-and-women-who-defend-our-

Blogger RandalThorn November 26, 2014 6:03 PM  

This is proof, check the link on VD's original post as well. http://voxday.blogspot.gr/2014/11/why-left-hates-thanksgiving.html?showComment=1417041707171#c7395112594579502515

Now, answer his question or get banned.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 6:08 PM  

Only an aspie demands statements of belief drawn from empirical observation be backed up by 'proof'. Everyone else will happily debate a position on its merits, but aspies reverse the procedure: first the conclusion, then the discussion!

The focus on proof is indicative of a weak and feeble mind that will only consider 'safe' propositions.

Anonymous Trimegistus November 26, 2014 6:08 PM  

Progs really are broken people. I was listening to the goddamned NPR station on my way to the grocery this morning (for some last-minute supplies for the feast), and all of the discussion on the radio show was about "surviving Thanksgiving." They weren't talking about ways for people with heart disease to moderate their salt intake, or for diabetics to keep their blood sugar levels in line despite pies and sweet potatoes, or even helpful tips for celebrating Thanksgiving in the St. Louis suburbs without getting burned down.

No, they were talking about how to "survive" the horrible, mind and soul wrenching ordeal of ACTUALLY SPENDING A DAY WITH YOUR RELATIVES. The people who created and raised you. The only people in the world who actually give a damn about your well-being. The people who love you.

Apparently liberals are such perpetual adolescents, such ego-drenched solipsists, that they spend their lives resenting their families for imagined faults. They cannot put aside their comforting bath of resentment even for a day. Nor do they have the moral courage to simply not attend if they don't enjoy it.

Liberals really are broken, failed humans. Incapable of ordinary human emotions like love, fellowship, good cheer, and enjoyment of food and drink. No wonder people like "ThanksTurkeyDay" can only entertain themselves by intruding here and spewing random hate and lies. Those are the only emotions his damaged brain can experience. He knows nothing of love, nothing of friendship, nothing of patriotism. He worships his fascist idol Obama only as a projection of his hatred for the people around him. If he were capable of anything but dishonest arguments and insults, he might be a danger to others, but as it is, he will accomplish nothing in his life beyond being a minor annoyance to a few people. He can Google his comments section raids for years to come, savoring the "victory" of spewing his vicious little digs.

Happy Thanksgiving, Turkey. Maybe someday you'll have something to be thankful for, but frankly I doubt it.

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 6:10 PM  

"I lean very left, and there is nothing about Thanksgiving that drives me crazy. And I can say the same for everyone that will be at my table tomorrow save one."

Shouldn't you provide proof for these assertions of yours?

Blogger Dewave November 26, 2014 6:16 PM  

"Here's a Leftist who is thankful:"

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 6:16 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales: "@Viidad

Wow... and these folks that think that they have a genetic edge over blacks and latinos when it comes to ze brains. Irony. :P

http://www.str.org/articles/is-christmas-pagan#.VHZH9YeHdQ4"

So if someone disagrees with your selected take on certain holidays, they must also have an interest in classing various races according to intelligence?

Or, more simply, questioning the roots of modern holidays = RACISS

Blogger Felix Bellator November 26, 2014 6:28 PM  

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! I also wish you a very Merry Christmas season!

Blogger Felix Bellator November 26, 2014 6:29 PM  

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Anonymous Harsh November 26, 2014 6:43 PM  

@ThanksTurkeyDay

You're in over your head, son. Be thankful folks are taking it easy on you.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben November 26, 2014 6:49 PM  

Rabbi B and John Wright, well said. Happy Thanksgiving.

Anonymous VD November 26, 2014 7:03 PM  

Are you telling me all we need is 2 people who claim to have seen a unicorn in order to prove unicorns exist? You are an idiot. What you should have said is that all you need to make a case is 2 eyewitnesses.

Yes, that is, in fact, a single eyewitness is considered sufficient for legal proof in many cases. Consider the dictionary definition of "proof": evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

Personal testimony is evidence, and is certainly sufficient to produce belief in its truth. And if unicorns do exist, the eyewitness testimony of two credible people would certainly suffice to prove that fact.

The only idiot here would appear to be you, as you are refusing to accept precisely what you requested simply because you are too intellectually careless to understand the words you are using.

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 7:04 PM  

@ Felix Bellator

We here at the Satellite of Love (Florida Chapter) appreciate the free entertainment.

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 7:08 PM  

@ ThanksTurkeyDay

I asked for four quotes each from four famous Leftists and you gave me boilerplate Dem talking points where the President gives thanks for exactly two things (1) "the God-given bounty of America", which, technically, is giving thanks for our wealth and resources, and (2) the blessings of one another, which, technically, is not what I asked about.

He goes on to say "Instead, the blessings for which we give thanks today are the product of choices made by our parents, and grandparents, and generations before – whose determination and sacrifice ensured a better future for us."

Did you notice that little lawyerly nuance of speaking? I did. He said we should be thankful for the 'choice' of our forebears. This the the typical choice-means-all lingo of the nihilist, for which there is no moral code, no standard, merely the blessings bestowed by the act of choice in and of itself. It is the idolization of the willpower. Very Nietzsche.

So, fail. You did not even give me eight of the sixteen quotes for which I asked.

And what about the seven questions I asked you?

Or are you the Grand Inquisitor, only here to accuse and condemn, and never answer anything asked of you?

Anonymous MendoScot November 26, 2014 7:23 PM  

They have no one to whom they can be grateful. Do I have a second to conclude the proof?

Some of the most moral people I have known were communists (not leftists). They believed in the generous spirit. Their gratitude was to the collective, that behaved as they did.

Now, having said that...

Happy Thanksgiving, former Colonials!

Just remember that the tastiest bit is what you shove up big bird's ass.

It doesn't pay to be squeamish, if you want to eat well.

Anonymous Watcher November 26, 2014 7:27 PM  


Thanks everybody!!!

"Now, I have seen some socialist-leaning individuals be grateful to God. But they are not the crabbed, godless, Leftists of whom Mr. Wright writes."

"Some of the most moral people I have known were communists (not leftists)."

Anonymous C. Jake November 26, 2014 7:31 PM  

John; you seem to be making a catagory error, gratitude and critisism. I love my Dad, but as an adult, I can tell he when he's gone off the deep end. Doesn't mean I'm not grateful and don't appreciate him and give thanks for what he's done for us.

Apply that to Star Trek or Pilgrims and Indians however you like.

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 7:46 PM  

"John; you seem to be making a catagory error, gratitude and critisism."

Not at all. I asked whether or not this self-identified liberal agreed with one of the many examples, namely, that Leftists are not grateful to Star Trek, but condemn it.

One can criticized one's forebears and still be grateful to them, yes. One cannot however condemn one's forebears and curse them and still be grateful. It is an open question as to whether and how my interlocutor would answer these questions.

You are assuming that I have an answer in mind. I do not. I was waiting to see what he said.

Anonymous kh123 November 26, 2014 7:47 PM  

"Are you telling me all we need is 2 people who claim to have seen a unicorn in order to prove unicorns exist?"

Quite a bit of evidence building that unicorns suffer from Aspergers and have manual dexterity enough to manage a keyboard.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet November 26, 2014 7:50 PM  

John Wright,

The libations have begun a bit early, so bear with me.

If the Left controls the media, as, by and large, in this nation, they do, they can and will effectively deny fame to anyone who contradicts their mainstream dogma.

It's an interesting thesis, and I can see why you chose it, but...

The Left, being a more broad party if you will, is more likely to have individuals who use language that doesn't necessarily exclude any of the constituents. For a similar example, I tend to use the term "Happy Holidays" not because I fear offending anyone, but because many people are celebrating at this time of year and I prefer to be respectful of those differences in my way. That doesn't mean that I don't love Christmas... It's my favorite holiday and if asked I will gladly say so.

I will say, while I found your criteria of fame unneeded, I made an attempt to look up what you requested, but fell short. Your criteria of 4 per person is a bit strict, but it was interesting nonetheless to not find any at all.

Lastly, while honest displays of the thankfulness you request are appropriate, the famous right-leaning people I can think of off hand in the media are jingoism, silly characters like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. I don't find these sorts of displays of gratitude to be anything but political posturing.

And lastly last, my intent was to attempt to be a little light-hearted. Whether right or left, this is a time for thanks and praise, and I hope the holiday is good for you.

[raises glass]

Anonymous zen0 November 26, 2014 7:50 PM  

Harsh November 26, 2014 6:43 PM

@ThanksTurkeyDay

You're in over your head, son. Be thankful folks are taking it easy on you.


I am thankful that a a very scrumptious turkey [in the form of ThanksTurkeyDay] seems to have been providentially presented, to give sustenance to the denizens of this thread. Little did he know, as he mindlessly gobble-gobbled his way through his previous life, that his whole existence had one simple purpose.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 7:55 PM  

@Carlotta

"You can rationalize dancing with the devil all you want. He is always leading."

You are correct, the Adversary has epistemic advantages over mere human beings that far surpass "he can see me, but I can't see him".


"And DT, to be clear, my anti-satanic holy day stance doesn't come from reading about it. It comes from being raised by real life witches."

For that you have my deepest sympathies, it is praiseworthy that He delivered you from that, and reason to always be thankful, not only on Thanksgiving.

The irony of being raised by Witches, presumably practitioners of Wicca, is that they are under the mistaken impression that they are the special inheritors of a tradition older than Christianity, when the truth is that they are keepers of a foolish mess-o-pottage that was reinvented/made up within the last century or so. Which is not to say that the Adversary isn't actively involved in helping these men and women in their folly, rather the ancient tradition they share is one of the oldest kept to by the spiritual/flesh hybrid that is Mankind: being deceived.

Given your background, being sensitive to this is understandable, and to be fair, your spirtual instincts are correct: we should avoid the occult and its practice. Biblically speaking, if this is something that tweaks your spirit and conscience, then you should avoid it. That being said, your stumbling blocks are not the same as my stumbling blocks, nor those of other brothers and sisters in Christ.

Whether you realize it or not, ignoring the question of who "owns" the meaning of lables and symbols, you are making an argument that rests upon two parts: a spriritual and a historical, both of which need to be correct in order to make your case.

The spiritual part is correct: we are to avoid the occult. Though saying "avoid the practices of the heathen" is entirely too vague and broad: heathens drive cars, eat at Taco Bell, love their children...does that mean you shouldn't do likewise? Rather you should avoid the practices of the heathen that are spiritually malign, as opposed to those that are merely spiritually neutral.

Unfortunately the historical one falls woefully short of making its case. In some cases the effects you are claiming actually precede the alleged causes, for instance the elevation of Halloween to a "high holy day" of modern pagans and wiccans (as if they were monolithic groups) didn't occur until decades AFTER Americans were dressing up and soliciting candy.

In other cases, it is historically uninformed, All Hallows Eve/All Saints Eve/Halloween was a widespread Christian festival all over Europe for centuries before the Irish are alleged to have brought the worship of Satan (disguised as bobbing for apples) to the United States.

Even in the former lands of the Celtic/Gaelic peoples, the customs of wearing costumes and begging for food didn't come about until centuries after Halloween had started.

The basic problem with these arguments, and the same for Easter/Resurrection/Paschal Sunday, is this:

There are only 365 days in a given year. In Every Single One of them some Heathen somewhere did/does/will do something evil and memorialize it for others of his kind. Where does this leave us? Should those of us that worship the Creator fear to make a day ours because the Heathen dares make it his? Should we not, dare we not take the liberty afforded us and make the Heathen's day ours?

The obvious answer is No. Particularly for the days we choose to remember the birth and death of the Savior...but even for the lesser days like Halloween, and for the plain secular aspects and secular holidays we can celebrate. Do we shorten the Creator's hand such that we really cannot eat meat offered to idols? The answer is No.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 7:58 PM  

@kh123

>:-P

QED

@Outlaw X

One could also include "unthankful" in the definition of leftists, in order to illustrate that any leftist who is thankful is failing to be a perfect leftist, but may still be described as one for convenience. It helps that this appears to match reality perfectly.

Anyway, Mr. Wright has previously said that there are no true leftists, because it is impossible to perfectly adhere to the unreality principle.

Anonymous Great Teacher Hussein November 26, 2014 8:34 PM  

Instead, the blessings for which we give thanks today are the product of Choices made by our parents, and grandparents, and generations before – whose determination, lack of contraceptives, and sacrifice - I won't specify what kind, since we know that Columbus and the pilgrims were the devil incarnate - ensured a better future for us. Which you didn't build. And neither did they, depending on which identity group we're talking about here; if it's the Mayans then yes, they put everyone's heart into it. Most likely though, the whole thing's turtles all the way down. And aliens. Black ones too, not those pasty wide eyed grey motherf*ckers you see on Sightings and those Fresh Prince joints. Hopefully they're as keen on voting as the kids are...

...Whatever that is, it's not right on the teleprompter. I don't know what that is... I CAN'T READ IT, there... there's no words on it.

"To play us out." What does that mean? To end the show? I... I can't do it.


Anonymous Beau November 26, 2014 8:49 PM  

We gather together to ask the Lord’s blessing;
He chastens and hastens His will to make known.
The wicked oppressing now cease from distressing.
Sing praises to His Name; He forgets not His own.

Beside us to guide us, our God with us joining,
Ordaining, maintaining His kingdom divine;
So from the beginning the fight we were winning;
Thou, Lord, were at our side, all glory be Thine!

We all do extol Thee, Thou Leader triumphant,
And pray that Thou still our Defender will be.
Let Thy congregation escape tribulation;
Thy Name be ever praised! O Lord, make us free!

Blogger RC November 26, 2014 9:10 PM  

Well Ilk, I have something to be most thankful for this Thanksgiving: Several years ago, after a legal battle that went all the way to the state supreme court, an adopted 2 year old was forcibly removed from her adoptive family and placed back with the birth father and his mother. They promptly abused the poor child and eventually had her removed by the authorities and placed in foster care. I am forbidden to go into the details, but the girl has just been reunited with her loving adoptive family and is back in a safe and nurturing place, albeit not without scars. Her faithful adoptive grandfather has been praying ceaselessly that God would protect the child during the intervening years and tomorrow he gets to remove the bracelet that he's worn continuously since that time to remind him to pray for the child, a bracelet that he vowed he would never remove until she was reunited with her adoptive family. I knew he'd be buried with the bracelet but God knew better. This reunion happened through a path that could only be from God. I pray that he uses the trial and suffering for His Glory. There is not a more long-suffering and thankful family in the world.

Anonymous Carlotta November 26, 2014 9:23 PM  

@DT
No. Wiccan would have been far too light weight for them. You quite seriously don't know what you are talking about. Druids have a much more horrifying use for bobbing for apples and none of this stuff that I am talking about is new or only in America. You are very strangely invested in Halloween for someone claiming to serve the Lord.

As for your traditions of men comments, they are ridiculous and weak. Actually read the Bible and that verse in context. It is talking about whoredom with other Gods. Solomon though it was no big deal either. God doesn't.

You make excuse after excuse why you don't think you have to obey Yahweh. I caution you. Jesus warns those who are His obey His commands. Not make up their own. He is going to say to them He never knew them. No why would that be.

When my parents were saved they were shocked by the amount of witchcraft in the Christian churches. They tried to explain, to show people. But just like you, they made excuses. Said they didn't think it was a big deal or told them it was not for them to judge. I cannot tell you the pain and confusion and frustration those who come out of the occult feel when dealing with Christians. I have found that Christians are the only ones who don't take their own religion and God serious.

Yet. They have been warned.

Anonymous zen0 November 26, 2014 9:31 PM  

There is not a more long-suffering and thankful family in the world.

Thanks for that witness, RC.

Blogger richard w comerford November 26, 2014 9:32 PM  

Re: Thanksgiving

May all of Mr. VD's readers have a great Thanksgiving.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Blogger John Wright November 26, 2014 9:49 PM  

@ Aeloi Peri

"Anyway, Mr. Wright has previously said that there are no true leftists, because it is impossible to perfectly adhere to the unreality principle."

Actually, since I am right here, please do not misquote me. What is said is that there are no 'Logically self-consistent Leftists' or 'Leftists who adhere to all their own principles' and 'logic is not their strong suite.'

I never made the claim, as the croakers love to claim, that all Leftists are a single monolithic bloc, or that they all think the same way -- but I have found that whenever I make lawyerly qualifications like that, the Leftists simply pretend I have not said them. So when a Leftist says (as TurkeyDay does)
"AHA! You said Leftist are ungrateful, but I found one guy who describes himself as a Leftist who believes in God, therefore your criticism of the ACLU is incorrect!" or whatever, I generally assume all non-insane readers naturally fill in qualifications and limitations, and understand the difference between a logically precise categorical statement "All triangles are three sided" and a normal generalization "men are stronger than women."

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 9:57 PM  

"I have found that Christians are the only ones who don't take their own religion and God serious.

Yet. They have been warned."

Seconded.

Anonymous Viidad November 26, 2014 9:58 PM  

And... Happy Thanksgiving, folks. I'm busting out the bourbon (Knob Creek) right now.

Nate never stopped by on his bootlegging run... so I was stuck buying it.

Anonymous yukonyon November 26, 2014 10:03 PM  

Posted this on Dread Ilk facebook page a few weeks ago.

Jesus is the reason for the holiday season.
Let us honor each day in the manner we would pray.
First comes Thanksgiving, as our thanks so should be
offered first in our prayers, with grateful espirit.
Then comes The Christmas, as we make lists of our desires
and become our Lord's vessels, that our brethren also acquire.
Then; last but not least, comes The Great New Year's Feast
of forgiveness, when resolutions make past sins released.
Which one of these days is greater than the others
is the current one you share with your sisters and your brothers.
And yet I stand in awe of the synergy of all three,
as we celebrate them in the order they ought to be.

Anonymous So... much.... rhetoric!!!! November 26, 2014 10:08 PM  

So... much.... rhetoric!!!!

Blogger Rabbi B November 26, 2014 10:30 PM  

"I generally assume all non-insane readers naturally fill in qualifications and limitations, and understand the difference between a logically precise categorical statement "All triangles are three sided" and a normal generalization "men are stronger than women"

I don't think they teach logic in those schools anymore.

Anonymous zen0 November 26, 2014 10:38 PM  

So... much.... rhetoric!!!! November 26, 2014 10:08 PM

So... much.... rhetoric!!!!



I saw a blue tomato once
A-sitting on my lawn
I never tried to look at it
Pretending it was gone

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 11:15 PM  

>Actually, since I am right here, please do not misquote me. What is said is that there are no 'Logically self-consistent Leftists' or 'Leftists who adhere to all their own principles' and 'logic is not their strong suite.'

Even if you weren't here, I would not want to misquote you. Please excuse my lack of precision in paraphrasing your observation.

On a side note, is my moniker really so difficult to reproduce? Vox got it wrong too, and I was under the impression that most people consider this thoughtlessly rude, though I myself don't.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 26, 2014 11:22 PM  

>I don't think they teach logic in those schools anymore.

This is correct, except maybe in some private institutions. Most high school and college graduates who use the word "fallacy" have learned it from the internet, and not from a class or so-called "required" readings.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 11:30 PM  

@Carlotta

I don't think that you are actually reading what I am writing, rather I think you are reacting to
a straw man of your own construction. You're certainly not responding in detail.

"You make excuse after excuse why you don't think you have to obey Yahweh."

I challenge you to, specifically, tell me where I say this, Carlotta. Examples please.

I would never make a case for disobeying Jehovah El Shaddai being the smart thing to do, it never is. I am making the case that what you are claiming is disobedience is nothing of the such, and in fact is
an example of you "making up your own commands" much like those whom Paul condemned in Galatians for insisting than converts must be circumcised.

You STILL have not answered my question about what happens when Pagans decide to celebrate on the same days Christians do? The fact that you mention "Ishtar" in the same sentence as "Easter" shows (again) that while your heart is in the right place, your head is off by a country mile and you don't know nearly what you think you do, Carlotta.

"You are very strangely invested in Halloween for someone claiming to serve the Lord."

As far as Halloween: It is quite the opposite, I think Halloween and the modern secular occasion of costumes and trick-or-treating is so innocuous that it is completely ridiculous to key in on it. The fact
that you cannot seem to grasp this demonstrates that you are unwilling to recognize that the
meaning applied to symbols is completely arbitrary and not an intrinsic quality of the symbol
itself. I am more interested in pointing out that you are so mired in legalism that you are
fashioning chains of your own making.

"No. Wiccan would have been far too light weight for them. You quite seriously don't know what
you are talking about. "

Feel free to enlighten me. No, you shouldn't assume what people know. The vast majority of
people who claim to be "witches" ARE in fact dilettante Wiccan lightweights. What passes for
modern Wicca and even a lot of paganism is a reconstruction in most cases that doesn't date back
past the 1800's. Fact.

That is not to say that the Adversary and his minions do not invest substantial time and energy
ensnaring those foolish and unlucky enough to be in that place or in the more hardcore
occult...all of which is illusion and deception to imprison those who open doors that should not
be opened.

"I cannot tell you the pain and confusion and frustration those who come out of the occult feel
when dealing with Christians."

I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to deal with converts, ESPECIALLY those who come from the
occult, who tend to swing the Legalism meter all the way to the extreme.

"As for your traditions of men comments, they are ridiculous and weak. Actually read the Bible
and that verse in context. It is talking about whoredom with other Gods."

Again, you have not provided any specifics. Which verse? I will assume you are talking about Paul's reference to eating meat sacrificed to idols in 1 Corinthians. I which case you are completely missing the real point:

We are not to superstitiously attach real power to worthless pagan rites.

All of things you are mentioning in terms of witchcraft are just that: worthless pagan rites.

"When my parents were saved they were shocked by the amount of witchcraft in the Christian
churches. "

Do you have any specifics? Other than baldly asserting Christmas and Resurrection Sunday are triumphs of Satan. That should be Prima Facie evidence that your discernment needs to be calibrated.

"They tried to explain, to show people. But just like you, they made excuses"

Please, specifics Carlotta, what excuses have I made except politely (as yet) challenging your assertion NOT on whether we should obey God, but rather what you are CLAIMING is in fact actually disobedience.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 26, 2014 11:45 PM  

@Carlotta

I wanted to add this. You mention that your parents saw witchcraft rampant in the Christian church after they converted. Now, you have not provided any specifics...was it a doctrine, a practice, a scriptural interpretation that they saw as witchcraft???

I will not speak for all churches, because the Devil is more active in disrupting churches than probably any other enterprise, one only has to look at the "Jesus is my Buddy gospel", the "prosperity gospel", or any other extant heresy but I would challenge your parents' assertion in general to differentiate between genuine witchcraft and the known tendency of occult converts to see a ghost under every bedsheet.

That being said, given that Satan is a master counterfeiter, always mimicking what God has
wrought, has it occurred to you the possibility that what your parent's saw was not in fact actual witchcraft, but the reaction to seeing parallels to the genuine article after a lifetime of familiarity with a counterfeit?

Blogger John Wright November 27, 2014 12:50 AM  

"On a side note, is my moniker really so difficult to reproduce? Vox got it wrong too, and I was under the impression that most people consider this thoughtlessly rude, though I myself don't."

Not for men of ordinary intelligence, but since I score so very high on an IQ tests, please assume I am an idiot, and I cannot spell. Just ask Vox Day about my spelling ability if you doubt me.

So, no, if I could spell, I could write the name of the wind god.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 27, 2014 1:25 AM  

Northern Hamlet November 26, 2014 4:07 PM
...since I lean left...
Lastly, I'm thankful for Vox's patience and wisdom, but also for all you Ilk,



and there you have it:
No True Leftist



notice that when i started out, i didn't not insult those who suffer from Asberger's. neither did i insult Atheists.

i specifically pointed out the INTERSECTION of those two sets.

so, who responds to my assertion and how?

why, it appears that Aspergian Atheists have decided that the best way to prove me wrong is to ...
go spastic on the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM0dbwDc2FE

truly, you have put me in my place.

Anonymous bob k. mando November 27, 2014 1:32 AM  

variously, you can't handle the truth

http://i.imgur.com/TnMdYhE.gif

Blogger Northern Hamlet November 27, 2014 8:35 AM  

Bob K Mando,

and there you have it:
No True Leftist


The title of Vox's post uses "the Left," which is relevant here. Anyone left of center counts.

Happy Thanksgiving

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 27, 2014 12:25 PM  

>why, it appears that Aspergian Atheists have decided that the best way to prove me wrong is to ...
go spastic on the thread.

Problem is people have trouble distinguishing between us. We look and walk and talk the same, and unfortunately a lot of spergs are atheists so the generalization doesn't come from thin air.

I speculate, from loose observation, that aspies with high IQs tend to agnosticism, mysticism, and Christianity, whereas low-IQ aspies tend to atheism.

Blogger Rabbi B November 27, 2014 12:41 PM  

Although Mr. Turkey Day was not up to Mr. Wright's challenge, I love a challenge.

1) Sean Penn:

"He [Chavez] is one of the most important forces we’ve had on this planet. And I will wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude. So I just want to say that from my very American point of view, of my friend President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as a two way street. And he would say his inspiration is the people."

OK . . . I give up . . . this was much, much harder than I thought . . . thank you Mr. Wright for the humble pie this thanksgiving.

Anonymous Carlotta November 27, 2014 5:26 PM  

@DT
They saw full on Halloween celebrations with palm readers. People rolling on the floor uncontrollably laughing. People claiming to talk to angels. It goes on.

When you have seen the true face of evil you want nothing to do with it. You know there is nothing stronger on this earth except the blood of Jesus.

And that is why we all don't understand why when you have the truth and have been set free you need to keep the lie because it is familiar and go back to chains. Jesus gave it all for me. No problem giving up anything for Him.

Anonymous Carlotta November 27, 2014 5:38 PM  

@DT

I am referring specifically to the commands not to learn the ways of the heathen. What has darkness to do with light.

See I am saying that following Yahweh means doing what He says. Not what I think. Paul being an Israelite and being among the gentiles and having to deal with that is not an instruction to continue in the things we come out of.

Converts, like atheists and those of other religions point out quite rightly that Christians in America do Ala cart. They are hypocrites. They claim grace without obedience.

As a married women my behavior completely changed from a single women. I was no longer single or available. My behavior is a reflection on my Husband and me. I don't see someone I used to be interested in. I certainly don't get involved with them .

Whoredom in the Bible is often spirtual. Claiming Yahweh but refusing to come away from the old practices. Ridiculous or not.

My arguments are not as long because I am on the phone and off topic here.

I encourage you to think what those at your wedding would think of seeing your wife out the next day dressed up at a bar and dancing with other men. You see the world iswatching us. Are we blessing or blasphemous?

Best to you.

Anonymous Carlotta November 27, 2014 5:42 PM  

Praise God RC!

Anonymous Carlotta November 27, 2014 5:47 PM  

And by the way DT. Yahweh has an entire book full of holy days and feasts He says He wants observed for all time. In fact Jesus backs Him up even unto Revelations. Do you follow any of the Holy days God has commanded or do you just substitute what you want? I have yet to see one Bible passage where God says do what you want. Yet the devil is quite clear that he says to do what you will.

Blogger John Wright November 27, 2014 9:23 PM  

@ RC

May God bless you, sir. I feel such sympathy as I cannot say. I have an adopted daughter, and the reason I sought her in China was so that her birth parents would have little chance of plucking her from my arms. So I understand, believe me, because I have had nightmares about something like what happened to you. May God give you strength and reward your longsuffering patience.

Anonymous Discard November 28, 2014 5:10 AM  

Leftists aren't even grateful for the fact that they live in a country built by Whites. They are so ungrateful that they wish to import enough Third Worlders to destroy it.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 28, 2014 11:27 AM  

@Carlotta:

BTW: Do you obey the dietary laws too?

"And by the way DT. Yahweh has an entire book full of holy days and feasts He says He wants observed for all time. In fact Jesus backs Him up even unto Revelations. Do you follow any of the Holy days God has commanded or do you just substitute what you want? I have yet to see one Bible passage where God says do what you want. Yet the devil is quite clear that he says to do what you will"

That is not necessarily so, Carlotta, you are talking about an In-House debate within the Church that has been going on since the earliest days of the Church: are we as non-Jewish Christians obligated to follow the mow'edim Holy Days that were defined in Levitcus: the weekly Sabbath, the Passover, and the six “annual Sabbaths”?

The primary argument that is held by most Christians is that, no, we are not required to do so based on the New Testament writings of Paul concerning the freedom of non-Jewish Christians to exercise their Holy-Spirit-given discernment and conscience. The counter arguments made against this generally have suspect exegesis and suspect historical background. Moreover, the judgmental attitudes of those who observe and insist others must do likewise give me pause: to the point that many sabbateans believe themselves to be the “only true church” and that those who are not, aren’t even saved, despite clear scriptural evidence to the contrary.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16)

This is not to say that was cannot observe those days, rather that we should not be judgmental about their observation, which many are, and as you seem to be, Carlotta.

In fact, judgementalism is on-going in the Church about such observance and even the manner in which they are observed. Those who don't observe such things tend to reflect on those who do as legalist-Pharisees while those who observe them view those who don't as unrighteous or at best, second-class citizens of the Kingdom.

Put bluntly, "those who do judge those who don't and those who don't judge those who do" and on it goes in contravention to the Christ-like attitude of "Judge not" (Mt. 7:1).

In Romans Paul gives similar advice to the church:

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. ...But why dost thou judge thy brother?" (Romans 14:5, 6, 10)

A quote I like on this:

“No one's righteousness should be judged on the basis of these issues, any more than one should be judged as to whether or not he is a Christian on the basis of his church attendance. Righteousness is simply not of works. If one is "persuaded" that celebrating feast days enhances his worship of God, he should not be judged for it. All judgment of men's hearts is best left in the hands of God.”

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus November 28, 2014 1:38 PM  

@DT
They saw full on Halloween celebrations with palm readers. People rolling on the floor uncontrollably laughing. People claiming to talk to angels. It goes on.

That is just appalling and astonishingly stupid on several fronts. Was this a United Methodist Church?

They might as well have Ouija Boards there…

To step back a bit: Halloween today is three separate holidays: a Christian, and occult, and a secular.

Few Churches if any even note All Hallows Eve/All Saints day unless it happens to fall upon a Sunday. The Secular holiday involving candy and costumes doesn’t really belong there and more than the 4th of July would (in the U.S.) . The occult holiday certainly has no place there.

For you, given your background, Halloween was the occult holiday, and as such your coming out of it is something you should honor and stay away from as you would avoid any other such stumbling block.

For others, myself included, Halloween is only the secular festival of candy and costumes, and has never been anything but. There’s nothing to come out from because this is not my stumbling block.

Anonymous Joseph Dooley December 02, 2014 10:05 AM  

Liberals hate Thanksgiving because it implies someone other than themselves blessed them with riches (ie, God). Plus, gratitude is a drag on the cultural revolution.

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