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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

You can run, white man

But you cannot escape the hordes that follow:
Another factor driving the diversification of the suburbs is the emergence of “black flight” from major cities with established black populations. Black population losses have been occurring in some cities since the 1970s, but the magnitude and pervasiveness of black losses in cities during the first decade of the 2000s were unprecedented. The central cities of the 100 largest metropolitan areas saw a total decline of 300,000 blacks, the first absolute population decrease among blacks for these cities as a group. The black presence, which has been the mainstay of many urban populations, is diminishing (in fact it is now Hispanics, not blacks, who constitute the largest minority group in cities).

Three of the cities with the largest black declines–Detroit, Chicago, and New York–were among the primary destinations for blacks during the Great Migration, but the losses were not confined to northern metropolises: Southern and western cities such as Atlanta, Dallas, and Los Angeles were also among those losing blacks. Much of that population is shifting to the suburbs, moves that can be attributed in part to the black population’s economic progress in recent decades, especially among younger people aspiring to the suburban lifestyle that eluded their parents and grandparents. On the whole, 96 of the largest 100 metropolitan areas showed gains in their suburban black populations. Of those, more than three-quarters had larger increases in the past decade than in the 1990s. While delayed for decades, the full-scale suburbanization of blacks is finally under way.
I find it amusing that they attribute the black movement to the suburbs to "economic progress in recent decades". The problem with that reasoning is that there hasn't been any economic progress in recent decades, in fact, wage rates are still lower than 1973. This is little more than the more civilized blacks trying to escape their own race to live among whites, and whites attempting to get away from those more civilized blacks before their friends and family follow. As Joshua points out in the comments, this was only made possible by the Fed's low interest rates and federal housing policy. So the 2000-2010 trend will not likely continue.

But that's largely irrelevant anyhow. As the graph shows below, the real story is my La Raza cousins, who are in the process of ethnically cleansing both the cities and suburbs they have invaded. One thing white people, especially liberal white people, have never understood is that Hispanics dislike blacks considerably more than whites do, and furthermore, their open disdain is not affected by white guilt over slavery. The liberal fantasy of an anti-white multiracial minority alliance has always been just that, a fantasy, because real multiculturalism is the Hobbesian war of all against all.


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Blogger Markku November 25, 2014 12:32 PM  

Sooo... Big Chimp tonight? Drudge thinks so, based on the LA riots.

Blogger Joshua Dyal November 25, 2014 12:35 PM  

A major contributor to black flight in the last decade or so was the housing bubble bursting, and dropping housing prices. Suddenly urban blacks who could never afford a suburban lifestyle... could.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/06/middle-class-blacks-v-underclass-blacks.html

Anonymous DrTorch November 25, 2014 12:37 PM  

I hear a lot of talk about gentrification of cities by whites. But that must be confined to a few select places.

This is little more than the more civilized blacks trying to escape their own race to live among whites, and whites attempting to get away from those more civilized blacks before their friends and family follow.

Isn't this the plot from Next Friday? You'll be called racist for this post, yet Ice Cube said the same thing 15 years ago.

Anonymous VD November 25, 2014 12:42 PM  

You'll be called racist for this post, yet Ice Cube said the same thing 15 years ago.

(waves Red Card) No, I rather don't think I will. Seen the SFWA doing their "racist sexist homophobic dipshit" routine lately? Not so much.

The average White liberal does not want to be caught calling a Native American names, because calling a Native American names is Very Racist and Bad.

Anonymous VD November 25, 2014 12:43 PM  

A major contributor to black flight in the last decade or so was the housing bubble bursting, and dropping housing prices.

Absolutely.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream November 25, 2014 12:45 PM  

Gentrification and Section 8. Nice, white liberals are the main drivers behind this ethnic cleansing.

Anonymous Dumb founded November 25, 2014 12:54 PM  

The numbers don't seem to make sense. They are in millions, and we are told that around 200,000 blacls or so left the cities but 3M or more went to the suburbs.

Looks to me like some are leaving the cities, but even more are leaving the country areas, leaving it heavily white.

I don't dispute that large numbers of Hispanics are moving into both places and might like to engage in Ethnic cleansing.

Anonymous Axe Head November 25, 2014 12:56 PM  

"Black flight"

Yes, living with blacks is so bad, even blacks don't want to.

Blogger Josh November 25, 2014 12:57 PM  

You can run, white man

Who are you calling white man, injun?

Blogger Jassi November 25, 2014 1:01 PM  

I'm still waiting for one, just one, single piece of evidence or data that suggests any measurable positive points or strengths deriving from multiculturalism. Just one, please.

And foreign food doesn't count.

After you have a burrito restaurant and an Indian restaurant for every 100,000 people there is nothing else needed. Your exotic spice desire is fulfilled.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 November 25, 2014 1:01 PM  

I hear a lot of talk about gentrification of cities by whites. But that must be confined to a few select places

This is happening in many formerly Hispanic areas of Los Angeles in the past few years -- White hipsters are buying out the Latinos' rentals right out from under them, the Latinos drive into formerly black enclaves like Inglewood, Compton, Hawthorne, and drive them out entirely because while they don't have good jobs, they at least have jobs.
And at least here in LA, I don't see many blacks in the suburbs at all -- unless the high desert 100 miles away from the city is now considered the suburbs.
Also, at least where LA is concerned, don't forget the Asians, who now own most of the suburbs that white folk left when they went off to invade Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona and Texas.
I love winter in every way but as metaphor, yet here we are.

Anonymous Corvinus November 25, 2014 1:07 PM  

The numbers don't seem to make sense. They are in millions, and we are told that around 200,000 blacls or so left the cities but 3M or more went to the suburbs.

Looks to me like some are leaving the cities, but even more are leaving the country areas, leaving it heavily white.

I don't dispute that large numbers of Hispanics are moving into both places and might like to engage in Ethnic cleansing.


@Dumb founded
It tracks "population change", so the numbers include natural increase and international migration, not just net domestic migration. Although native-born black Americans may actually have lower fertility than native-born white Americans, their population is considerably younger and they get more immigration relative to their overall population than we do, from the Caribbean and Africa.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 25, 2014 1:07 PM  

I'm still waiting for one, just one, single piece of evidence or data that suggests any measurable positive points or strengths deriving from multiculturalism. Just one, please.

Provides jobs for elite white liberals within NGO's and government administering the race-based spoils system. Provides a club to the NY Times and other media to beat up middle class and poor whites with. Justifies ever expanding government power and reach.

What more does anyone need?

Blogger Jassi November 25, 2014 1:08 PM  

"Sooo... Big Chimp tonight? Drudge thinks so, based on the LA riots."

My preferred expression would be the macro-chimp, or pan-national chimp. Some Vibrant senator declared a race war so it's not out of the question that LA,NY and Fergadishu were only the beginning.

I've no idea how many troops were called out to Fergadishu and St Louis, but at some point if the Diversity riots spread too far and wide, homeowner and community self defense will stop being a desperate last option and more of an immediate necessity. The national guard can't be everywhere.

Anonymous Jonathan November 25, 2014 1:11 PM  

When will we reach Peak Chimp?

Anonymous rho November 25, 2014 1:13 PM  

I hear a lot of talk about gentrification of cities by whites. But that must be confined to a few select places.

It is happening, albeit slowly. If you combine depressed real estate markets with depressed wages and increased gas prices, and mix in the very real opportunity for home schooling and you get urban renewal.

Blogger Joshua Dyal November 25, 2014 1:21 PM  

It is happening, albeit slowly. If you combine depressed real estate markets with depressed wages and increased gas prices, and mix in the very real opportunity for home schooling and you get urban renewal.

It's happening in very limited neighborhoods in Detroit too. Civic minded white folks with a sense of local duty that's stronger than their sense of common sense.

Blogger pyrrhus November 25, 2014 1:22 PM  

"When will we reach Peak Chimp?"
We are there, and already declining....Obama was a peaking phenomenon.

Blogger pyrrhus November 25, 2014 1:26 PM  

To amplify VD's point, Tucson (heavily hispanic) was one of the cities supposedly targeted for demonstrations last night. Absolutely nothing happened.....

Anonymous 0007 November 25, 2014 1:36 PM  

I suspect that a larger driver of the GREAT Diversity Migration is the passing out of section 8 vouchers to help improve the diversity in those neighborhoods - as long as they stay out of my (elite, lilly-white) neighborhood.

Blogger YIH November 25, 2014 1:36 PM  

I find it amusing that they attribute the black movement to the suburbs to "economic progress in recent decades".
So do I. The majority of ''the Black middle class'' is, in reality, artificial. ''George Jefferson'' ''movin' on up'' by becoming an entrepreneur is nearly unheard of.
Most in 'corporate america' are 'quota fillers' (like 'businessman' Herman Cain) if they can do a passable job, that's icing on the cake.
The majority of ''the Black middle class'' are government jobs - the Post Office, schools, DMV, ect.
One of the first places looted was a typical ''black business'' - a hair care shop.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts November 25, 2014 1:40 PM  

"Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man."

Said by some person who wasn't listened to. Some attribute it to Abe Lincoln but I don't think these are his words. May be some person trollin. I know good old Abe knew the truth about blacks, as did almost everyone up until the 1960s.

But truth is truth no matter who says it.

Anonymous Memin Pinguin November 25, 2014 1:41 PM  

Memin para presidente!

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts November 25, 2014 1:45 PM  

Section 8 - a cancer to safe, white neighborhoods.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/

"About five years ago, Janikowski embarked on a more ambitious project. He’d built up enough trust with the police to get them to send him daily crime and arrest reports, including addresses and types of crime. He began mapping all violent and property crimes, block by block, across the city. “These cops on the streets were saying that crime patterns are changing,” he said, so he wanted to look into it.

When his map was complete, a clear if strangely shaped pattern emerged: Wait a minute, he recalled thinking. I see this bunny rabbit coming up. People are going to accuse me of being on shrooms! The inner city, where crime used to be concentrated, was now clean. But everywhere else looked much worse: arrests had skyrocketed along two corridors north and west of the central city (the bunny rabbit’s ears) and along one in the southeast (the tail). Hot spots had proliferated since the mid-1990s, and little islands of crime had sprung up where none had existed before, dotting the map all around the city.

Janikowski might not have managed to pinpoint the cause of this pattern if he hadn’t been married to Phyllis Betts, a housing expert at the University of Memphis. Betts and Janikowski have two dogs, three cats, and no kids; they both tend to bring their work home with them. Betts had been evaluating the impact of one of the city government’s most ambitious initiatives: the demolition of the city’s public-housing projects, as part of a nationwide experiment to free the poor from the destructive effects of concentrated poverty. Memphis demolished its first project in 1997. The city gave former residents federal “Section8” rent-subsidy vouchers and encouraged them to move out to new neighborhoods. Two more waves of demolition followed over the next nine years, dispersing tens of thousands of poor people into the wider metro community.
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Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings November 25, 2014 1:53 PM  

Bay area protests look pretty small. Maybe the feeling of outrage hasn't built up enough yet?

Anonymous DrTorch November 25, 2014 2:03 PM  

I'm still waiting for one, just one, single piece of evidence or data that suggests any measurable positive points or strengths deriving from multiculturalism. Just one, please.


You could call MMA a result of multiculturalism.

And foreign food doesn't count.

Not foreign food, it's fusion approaches that are multicultural.

Blogger FALPhil November 25, 2014 2:04 PM  

All the black folk in Provo showed up for a protest last night. Both of them.

Anonymous Musashi November 25, 2014 2:12 PM  

Coming soon: World War N

Blogger Rabbi B November 25, 2014 2:23 PM  

"Both of them."

One of them was from Montana . . .

Anonymous A November 25, 2014 2:24 PM  

"A major contributor to black flight in the last decade or so was the housing bubble bursting, and dropping housing prices"

Also ... Section 8 housing moving to suburbs, even into condos and townhouses.

Anonymous DJF November 25, 2014 3:04 PM  

You will notice how white people are claimed to be racist no matter what they do when it comes to housing

Staying in your neighborhood means that there are no vacancies’ for blacks and its segregation

Move out of your neighborhood when blacks move in and its White flight

Move into a black neighborhood and its gentrification.

And when blacks move out of black neighborhoods into white neighborhood its never called Black flight. Blacks resisting whites into their neighborhood is never segregation. Blacks moving into a neighborhood is never gentrification.


Blogger IM2L844 November 25, 2014 3:14 PM  

"When will we reach Peak Chimp?"

Directly before we run out of lootable hair extensions & 40 oz. malt liquor.

Anonymous Discard November 25, 2014 3:50 PM  

Da_Truth_Hurts: That quote was from an article in The Atlantic Monthly, IIRC. The writer pretended that the whole thing was such a shock. Who could have imagined that shipping Blacks out of their ghetto and into White neighborhoods would have caused crime to follow? Who?
Having demonstrated his non-racist bona-fides, the writer went on to give his readers the information they needed to figure out that they did not want any Section 8 recipients in their Whitopias.
I think there is an effort afoot by thinking liberals to get their less aware brethren to keep their distance from Blacks. Of course, it's a near-capital crime for ordinary Whites to say anything sensible about race, but by keeping the message in places like the Atlantic and the New York Times, the word can be gotten out without the common man noticing. Of course, the common man gets his information from actual contact with Blacks, and doesn't need to hear it, suitable refined, from liberal writers.

Anonymous Orville November 25, 2014 3:54 PM  

I checked the stats recently for my burb between 1990 and 2010. Before 12% black, after 37% black. During that time violent crime in my burb increased by 50%, yet the overall population has barely increased at all during the 20 years. There is a several mile wide area of woods and a small river separating my burb from the inner city, so it was definitely black flight. Now I commonly see roving gangs of black teens around the neighborhood.

Mr. Orville Racist

Anonymous y November 25, 2014 3:57 PM  

Trying to brainstorm a better headline than Drudge's "Season's Beatings"....

tough to do

maybe "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" ?

Anonymous Geoff-UK November 25, 2014 4:08 PM  

"Jassi November 25, 2014 1:01 PM
"I'm still waiting for one, just one, single piece of evidence or data that suggests any measurable positive points or strengths deriving from multiculturalism. Just one, please."

Imagine you are a member of a group that is a small subset of the US population and believe you have reason to fear and/or hate the Caucasian majority (maybe 6M of your tribesmen and women were killed in the 1940s)...then you might see multiculturalism as a good way to diminish your risk and/or stick it to a group you want revenge on. Also imagine you have disproportionate power...maybe you own the news media...or Hollywood...or maybe the financial industry. Hell, let's imagine your tribe controls all three. Well, there's a good answer to your question right there. The only risk to that sub-group is if the Caucasian majority gloms onto what the Eskimos are up to. Better disarm the Caucasians just in case they glom on too quickly.

Anonymous Discard November 25, 2014 4:15 PM  

Huckleberry - - est. 1977: Just last night I had a conversation about directed gentrification with a retired professor of planning from USC. The real estate industry, through its home and garden propaganda arm, has convinced hipsters that loft living is the way to be. The hipsters moved into the renovated warehouses around downtown Los Angeles, and drove the Mexicans and their gangs out by installing security cameras, calling 911 when bad things happen, the usual White things. Real, purpose built condos are springing up, particularly along Figueroa Street, and warehouses further south are being turned into lofts. The University of Southern California, threatened for decades by the surrounding Darkness, is being recovered for civilization. The Mexicans have driven the Blacks out, and are now being driven in turn by the real estate moguls. Those guys plan for the long term. I wonder what they have in mind for the Armenians?
The Chinese are pretty much limited to the cities in the San Gabriel Valley, east of L.A. They like to be thick on the ground, not spread out, and when they do spread, it's to neighboring towns, not across the county. I don't think that they're happy being 60 percent of the population, they want to have their own little China. The Koreans are claiming La Crescenta, northeast of L.A., but I don't know about the Vietnamese. Are they still in Orange County?

Blogger ScuzzaMan November 25, 2014 4:44 PM  

I dont consider colour to be as reliable a signifier of culture as Vox (apparently) does, but I agree that clashes of culture are significant and have significant long-term effects. I agree that the culture we loosely identify as "western civilisation" has not even realised it is in such a struggle, let alone begun to fight for itself.

Rather, it is largely cooperating in its own demise.

That said, it doesn't matter to me who or what you're preparing your defenses against; there are strong and reliable common factors amongst all predatory and/or parasitic cultures. If that is so, then there are effective strategies that can be used in self-defense against all of them simultaneously.

Since, as above, our own civilisation is yet to acknowledge the reality of our situation, it is left to individuals and small groups to organise such defenses.

The major deterrent to predation and parasitism is sustained effort required to achieve it. Parasites require a conveniently situated host. Mobs can be likened to masses of excited particles; they generally take the path of least resistance. Therefore living far away from the urban centres where the indigent, homeless, and unemployed congregate, is your first sensible move.

Living at higher altitude, where steep and difficult terrain must be traversed in order to reach you, is the next.

Living in close rural communities, where neighbours help each other out, even in extremis, is next.

Therefore, making yourself part of such a community, getting to know your neighbours, helping them out when times are (relatively) easy and good, forging those bonds that may save your life one day, would be wise things to be doing now.

If you're dependent on an urban setting to survive, you are dependent on the civility of a large number of unknown people some significant proportion of which are actually insane. Not merely on the kindness of strangers but the kindness of insane strangers.

Blogger ScuzzaMan November 25, 2014 4:47 PM  

I did like this though:

"because real multiculturalism is the Hobbesian war of all against all."

Indeed. We are ALREADY all the same: we all hate anyone who isn't us.

Utopia achieved.

Anonymous bw November 25, 2014 4:48 PM  

(maybe 6M of your tribesmen and women were killed in the 1940s)

I'll see them their supposed holocaust and raise them 10's of millions of white Christians throughout Russia, killed by Bolshevik Jews mind you, and tens and tens of millions more people in China and southeast Asia in the name of the Rabbi's son.
Why should anyone give a shit about their paltry propaganda number or their specific race??

Anonymous Tower of Babel November 25, 2014 4:54 PM  

We are ALREADY all the same: we all hate anyone who isn't us

Thus, Individualism and Home Team and freedom of association. Celebrate it!
I would also note that mature, intelligent, curious people quite enjoy true diversity and other cultures. It is political and financial coercion and lies in the name of equality that is on the way out.
Multi-culti Isn't.
That's the lie. It is the Singularity. It is consolidation, oneness, and centralization for the purpose of total control. People farming.

Anonymous Tower of Babel November 25, 2014 4:56 PM  

* Multi-culti is not truly Multi-culti. It is the exact opposite.
Thing Eric Blair.

Anonymous bw November 25, 2014 6:09 PM  

How 'bout Dawn of the Chosen Ones?

If only it were the Chosin Ones.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 25, 2014 7:04 PM  

November 24th, 2014. The Day the New World Order sank into the Swamp.

Anonymous Dr. Doom November 25, 2014 7:24 PM  

PASS IT ON:

The World was once a swamp ruled by the Dinosaurs, but something happened and the Dinosaurs died.

The Jews under Adam Weisshaupt started the Illuminati to tkae over the world, and it sank into the swamp.

So they built another one called The League of Nations, and it sank into the swamp.

So they built a third one at the UN Building in Manhattan called The New World Order, and on November 24th, 2014 it burned down, fell over and sank into the swamp...

Blogger Joe A. November 25, 2014 7:54 PM  

Damn. You read my mind, because I've noticed more and more blacks gradually migrating to my area outside metro Atlanta... no escape, indeed. Dismay is setting in.

Blogger FALPhil November 25, 2014 8:13 PM  

Joe A. wrote:

Damn. You read my mind, because I've noticed more and more blacks gradually migrating to my area outside metro Atlanta... no escape, indeed. Dismay is setting in.


My study of Atlanta migration shows movement to the northeast (Stone Mountain is heavily black) and due south - Riverdale to Stockbridge. There are certain developers that have picked up on this and build to the sweet spot of that market.

Decatur is kind of funny. It seems to be on a 20-25 year cycle swinging back and forth. South Cobb is getting darker, but the County has run all the hispanics off to Roswell. East Cobb is still largely white, but the home prices there are a couple of notches above what that particular market would bear.

Blogger FALPhil November 25, 2014 8:16 PM  

what I meant to say instead of: ...but the home prices there are a couple of notches above what that particular market would bear. was,

...but the home prices in East Cobb are a couple of notches above what the black flight market would bear.

Anonymous Kyle November 25, 2014 9:02 PM  

Didn't realize any other Ilk were so close to where I live (near Atlanta.)

Anonymous Chandler's Ghost November 25, 2014 9:31 PM  

And at least here in LA, I don't see many blacks in the suburbs at all -- unless the high desert 100 miles away from the city is now considered the suburbs.

I don't know about that. I'm in the mid-rent part of the Valley and the local Vons looks like Kenya.

Anonymous JCB November 25, 2014 9:43 PM  

The inner city black population may also be dropping because so many are murdered in the womb.

Anonymous Jonathan November 25, 2014 9:44 PM  

For as long as I can remember, whenever my father is confronted by someone who praises diversity and integration always asks the person to provide an example of a neighborhood or town that blacks and Hispanics have moved into that have been improved by their presence. When they cannot provide an answer he begins listing the dozens of Chicago neighborhoods that were once safe and white and are now "vibrant."

When I was young I thought my father was a curmudgeonly racist. Now I understand he knew what he was talking about.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 25, 2014 11:49 PM  

It's not really that simple. Middle class blacks are fleeing liberalism or, rather, the product of liberalism, feral black teenagers and undisciplined cesspools of schools. Unfortunately, since most of them are glued to the notion that liberalism has helped them, rather than doing to them things that are properly categorized as crimes against humanity, they can't usually admit to that. In any case, there's a kind of a bedu effect going on. Bedu? The Bedu flee the desert but bring it with them wherever they go. Not their fault; they're just stuck.

In any case, higher quality blacks flee the ferals to where the ferals are not, which is to say white areas. Whites, having seen this before and knowing they cannot trust other whites' fortitude for beans, start to pack and leave. Who's to criticize when the end result is always the same? This drops property values and prices and leaves openings for not so high quality blacks to come in. Since whites are already planning on punching out as soon as they can, they stop maintaining property. It starts to show. People stop trusting each other but, more importantly, stop caring what anyone else thinks of them; property values plummet. More whites leave. Then the ferals - products of the moral and intellectual desert that is liberalism - show up. It no longer makes economic sense even to repair a broken window. Better quality blacks start thinking about leaving before their kids can be ruined by the schools or murdered/raped/assimilated by the ferals. And it starts all over.

Yes, that's a little simplistic, but not very.

That's also not necessarily the right way to look at it, Jonathan. Example: Gary, Indiana. It used to be sort of a lily white more or less skilled working class paradise. They didn't set The Music Man there for nothing. Blacks moved in, whites moved out, neighborhoods went to shit. Clearly it was the blacks, right? Not so fast. In Gary there is one - and I mean only one - neighborhood where the property is maintained, kids are disciplined, and crime is low. Lily white? Not on you ass; it's the neighborhood that's been black for...well...a helluva long time. Everyone knows each other. Everyone wants to maintain the good opinion of their high quality neighbors. Property is maintained. Nobody leaves if a new, high quality black family moves in, though the newcomers may have to prove they belong by keeping their property up and their kids in line.

I'd suggest to you therefore, that race plays a smaller part, sometimes no part, in the fall of neighborhoods. Rather, the breakdown in social cohesion ruins them.

Amusingly, sometimes a neighborhood that is falling will bounce back. I know of two places in Boston where that's happened. The amusing part - well, no, it goes past amusing all the way to hilarious - is that the difference in both cases seems to be the presence of 10-15% or so gays. Why? Well, I theorize that whatever their flaws, they're still men - to include some of the women - and they will, by God, maintain their property.

Anonymous Discard November 26, 2014 1:13 AM  

Tom Kratman: Homosexuals are not dissuaded from buying houses in towns with bad schools. That's an extra risk that middle class liberal Whites with kids won't accept.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 1:25 AM  

A factor, I am sure (at least until adoption of kids becomes a new constitutional right of the first water), but I sense that it's more a case of "But we LIKE buying run down but structually and aesthetically superb properties for relative dirt and fixing them up." Just because one swtich is flipped in them doesn't mean all the swtiches are flipped, after all.

The threat is also something that that first wave of escaping blacks is trying to escape from. See comment on bedu, above.

Anonymous Discard November 26, 2014 4:27 AM  

Tom Kratman: Understood, they want to restore nice old houses they can buy on the cheap. So would a lot of White married couples with children, but bad schools are a deal breaker for the latter group. Furthermore, a pair of homosexuals would have fewer qualms about having a couple pit bulls and loaded pistols around than would somebody with children.
(No, I don't share the common prejudice against pit bulls and loaded pistols, but I think many women with children do.)

Anonymous VD November 26, 2014 5:03 AM  

I'd suggest to you therefore, that race plays a smaller part, sometimes no part, in the fall of neighborhoods. Rather, the breakdown in social cohesion ruins them.

That's flat-out wrong, Tom. You're clinging to racial pieties because you don't want to accept to the truth, which is very simple. The probability of a black individual being capable of maintaining a middle class lifestyle is simply lower than the probability of a white individual doing the same.

That's it. You do have places of low-probability success, just as someone has to win the lottery. And you will have places of high-probability failure; someone has to get into the car accident too. It is genetics that determines those probabilities, and race is one important signifier of genetics.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 7:19 AM  

Crystal ball that well calibrated, Vox, or did the new mind reading device come in?

No, I report what I saw with my own eyes and investigated on the ground, when I was the USAREC company commander for that area, with witnesses going back several generations, and the inferences I draw therefrom. You can disagree with the inferences, but it's at least mildly offensive to attribute to me motivations I have never in my life felt. Moreover, if, as reported, the first blacks into a white neighborhood are higher quality than the bulk of the neighbors, but the neighborhood starts going to shit very quickly anyway, as it usually does, then you need some other argument than "averages."

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 7:24 AM  

Additionally you can sometimes see it on the other end, too, where reasonably solid black neighborhoods - oh, nothing much for aesthetics but socially cohesive; the kids went to school, illegitimacy was rare, crime was low, and they policed their own - but brain dead white liberals forced them out of their old socially cohesive neighborhoods, leading pretty much _instantly_ to every ill that plagues them to this day, and which ills were rare before then.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 7:34 AM  

And all of that is exacerbated by our filching their native leadership for our purposes, which is one of the side effects - or maybe it was a feature, rather than a bug - of the civil rights legislation and jurisprudence of the 60s and 70s, which has left the ones left behind as prey for the likes of the Not-Too-Terribly Reverend Sharpton and the Still-Less-Reverend Jackson.

Blogger Herb Nowell November 26, 2014 10:40 AM  

You will notice how white people are claimed to be racist no matter what they do when it comes to housing

Why limit the sentence to just housing. I long ago "accepted" I'm racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, phobicphobic, ablist, etc.

I just had to accept that usage defines language and that those words are defined as "some liberal black dislikes what you say", "some liberal woman dislikes what you say", "some gay man dislikes what you say", and so on.

Anonymous joe doakes November 26, 2014 10:42 AM  

I know a welfare office intake worker. She tells me that Blacks ride the MegaBus from Chicago to Minneapolis every day, for better welfare (seriously, the bus stops across the street from the welfare office to let people off). They move here but live in Brooklyn Center, a first-ring suburb where low income housing is plentiful, much like Ferguson is a suburb of Saint Louis.

That's not Dr. Huckstable's family escaping the bad element in the old neighborhood because of economic progress, that's the bad element moving to another neighborhood and making it just as bad. The analysis contains much wishful thinking.

Blogger Herb Nowell November 26, 2014 10:45 AM  

Didn't realize any other Ilk were so close to where I live (near Atlanta.)

No kidding...maybe we can open a branch office.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 11:02 AM  

"The analysis contains much wishful thinking."

No, it's just not universal. What it is is rebuttal to what appears to be a universal claim, that seems to me unsupportable. Note, carefully, the use of words and phrases like, "not necessarily," smaller," and "sometimes." Note, further, that you're describing something that appears to have been _created_ without social cohesion, so you ought not be surprised if it has none. Public housing is precisely that kind of creature, horror stories from the beginning. Note that I covered that, at least inferentially, in the entry discussing liberalism trashing existing, reasonably well functioning, neighborhoods, destroying social cohesion and, though I left it inferential, tossing strangers together too quickly.

Blogger rycamor November 26, 2014 11:57 AM  

It's interesting to compare America's race/class problem to that of Jamaica's. Whites are only about 1.5% of the population there, outnumbered by Asian descendents at about 3.5%, while blacks number about 91%. Yet the elites of Jamaica are almost an even mixture of white, black and Asian. While there are definitely racial tensions, whites are not in any danger of being wiped out. I suspect that the black lower classes of Jamaica realize at some instinctual level that it is important to have competent high IQ people in charge of making sure that things actually work. And in turn the elites turn a judicious blind eye to the lower classes who want to live off the land out in the mountains, as long as they don't filch too much game from wealthy plantations. Note: Jamaica's average IQ is in the low 70s, yet among the elite Jamaicans I have met quite intelligent people of all races.

Anonymous GEOFF-UK November 26, 2014 11:58 AM  

@Tom Kratman,
Vox (and many of us concur) have noticed a correlation approaching 1.00 of a given subset of humanity bringing down the neighborhood of a different subset of humanity every time subset A shows up in subset B subdivisions. Is your position something along the lines of "correlation doesn't not mean causation people!"? Because while that's true, correlation sometimes does, in fact, mean a big-ass can of causation.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 12:19 PM  

Sometimes it can, Geoff. See above, doubly referenced, "sometimes." In this case, though, I think the timing is instructive, as is the self-fulfilling prophecy of neighborhood ruin - as inevitable as a Bedu's goats eating what little grass there is down to the roots, the lack of fortitude among whites - also as understandable as black flight from feral blacks and as understandable as the Bedu's goats, and the prior condition, before liberalism touched the country and absolutely jerked off the blacks withn their reverse Midas touch, the touch that turns everything to shit, when blacks - genetically the same as current blacks, kept solid neighborhoods that were no worse than their inferior earning power could explain, and infinitely better than what happens now.

Anonymous Jonathan November 26, 2014 6:09 PM  

If you stink, you bring that stink with you wherever you go.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 26, 2014 8:34 PM  

I love how liberals will go down with the Bad Ship Lollipop rather than admit reality. They still say there are good blacks. Like Bill Cosby Dr. Rapist? How about O.J. Simpson?
Name a black neighborhood anywhere in the world that you would want to live in. A REAL place not sesame street.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 9:06 PM  

Jonathan, amidst a world replete with silly analogies, that one stands out.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 26, 2014 9:09 PM  

A black neighborhood, being white? Not a chance, barring some very small southern towns which have always been black, and are agricultural, traditional, and quiet. Mixed neighborhoods though? I've lived in those without problem and found the neighbors pleasant enough. Mind you, it was a mixed neighborhood with some unusual attributes...like we all wore green.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 27, 2014 12:18 AM  

Mixed neighborhoods become black when no one keeps down the population of savages. Mexicans remove all of them. There can be no mix. It becomes one or another. The melting pot boiled over and the salad bowl is full of salmonella that no one wants anymore.
No common language or culture? That's not even an empire much less a country.

Anonymous Discard November 27, 2014 4:41 AM  

Tom Kratman: If it requires military discipline to make a mixed neighborhood work, then mixed neighborhoods don't work 99% of the time.

Regarding the filching of Black leadership or the liberals' destruction of cohesive Black neighborhoods, you may want to read Walter Williams. He has written about the bad effects of promoting the most able Blacks out of Black communities.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 27, 2014 6:48 AM  

Correct, mixed neighborhood don't work 99% of the time. Where they do work, they're either under severe discipline, and have a common mission and ethos to substitute for more normal social cohesion, or they're not very mixed and not going to be. One of the things that starts white flight is the knowledge that behind Professor Jefferson Lincoln III, PhD from Yale and he didn't get it by Affirmative Action, is Harry the Cop, and behind Harry is Trayvon the busboy, and behind Trayvon is Ayata the welfare mom, age 16 with 3 kids by 3 men, though the authorities are looking for 27 men to pay child support, since she really wasn't sure, and that with Ayata come the ferals. On the other hand, when it's cornfield country and retired 1SG Southall shows up and buys the old Taliaferro place, nobody is panicked because, outside of Top, the nearest black is 257 miles away. (And, by the way, Southall was a _great_ First Sergeant.)

I was aware of Williams but came to my conclusions independently, by what I saw and discovered myself.

I wonder if Joshua isn't an agent provocateur...

Anonymous Sgt. York November 28, 2014 8:25 AM  

"Correct, mixed neighborhood don't work 99% of the time. Where they do work, they're either under severe discipline, and have a common mission and ethos to substitute for more normal social cohesion, or they're not very mixed and not going to be."

99% of the time? Fact or hyperbole?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 28, 2014 3:10 PM  

Probably more a question of definition of "mixed." Southern town, 95% agricultural blacks - quiet, peaceable, and law abiding - where said town hasn't changed in 140 years? It's sorta mixed but maybe not really.

I think we're really discussing neighborhoods that change and decline, and there are many of those. Few have changed without declining, but, as indicated, some can...somewhat. There are potentially other factors in play than the mere presence or absence of more than one ethnicity.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 28, 2014 3:11 PM  

It also admits of some play in the word "work." Work minimally? Work as well? Fail a little? Fail badly? Turn into hellholes?

Anonymous Discard November 28, 2014 4:34 PM  

I would define "work" in this case to mean "work as well as they did before the Diversity moved in". My high school used to regularly send kids to top tier public universities. When I last checked about six years ago, only one out of eight entering 9th graders graduated. Fifty years ago, somebody stole $11 worth of groceries from my father's unlocked car, and TWO cops came to our house to take a report. Now, if your whole car is stolen, you have to go to them to make a report. I don't think that's really working, even if the lights are still on.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 28, 2014 5:11 PM  

Well, if we're talking practical paradise on earth, and it still worked about 99% as well, would that not still be a pretty fair approximation of "work"? You're describing something that is more - a lot more - than a little bit worse than what preceeded it, no?

Anonymous Discard November 29, 2014 7:21 PM  

Tom Kratman: I'm describing a once mostly White (with a fair number of Mexicans who were pretty much like us) suburb of Los Angeles that went majority Mexican (who were not like us). It's a lot worse than what it once was. I would call it "destroyed". My parent's house is still there, but it is surrounded by a spiked steel fence. If you can't expect that your property will still be there when you return from a camping trip, the community is not a community. If you can't send your kids to the local schools and expect them to come out literate and numerate, the schools are no longer schools.
As far as I could see, things worked fine with maybe 15% non-Whites, home-owning Mexicans with a few Chinese and Filipinos and working-class Jews.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 29, 2014 10:22 PM  

I think that's what I said. Interesting, too, that you see a tolerable limit, maybe better said a tolerable range.

I am pretty sure this would have our libertarian and objectivist brethren in arms, but there is a lesson from ancient history on how to deal with immigrants. The Romans used to tell them where they were going to live, and made some effort to ensure the groups were small enough that they'd assimilate. That worked up until they found themselves forced to let in a large and cohesive, hence unassimilable, group of Goths. They were screwed almost immediately after that.

Anonymous Discard November 30, 2014 3:59 AM  

Goths would be an improvement on the sort of outlanders we get nowadays.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 30, 2014 10:35 PM  

Possibly.

Anonymous Dave December 03, 2014 4:50 PM  

I moved to a trailer park 90 miles from a major city and 10 miles from the nearest grocery store with zero public transportation. My neighbors are all poor white people who've tinkered with cars since childhood. That's a great filter: you can't live here unless you have your shit together enough to maintain a vehicle. Even if the government gave out free cars, they'd break down because some vibrant never heard of an "oil change".

OpenID 946c7e1e-7fd4-11e4-9303-ef2788aee6ef December 09, 2014 1:55 PM  

Maybe this is localized to Houston, but what we're seeing here isn't the suburbanization of blacks, but the blackinization of the suburbs. As Houston has expanded outwards, whites have become tired of the hour plus commutes by car (there's scant public transpo), and have started gentrifying the inner city. Coincidentally, the property prices in town have gone up so much that the low-income blacks can no longer afford to cover the property taxes on their shacks, and have chosen to move into relatively cheap suburban housing...bringing their baggage of violence and crime along for the ride.

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