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Saturday, December 20, 2014

4GW in Brooklyn

As William S. Lind predicted it would in his book ON WAR, 4GW has arrived in America and is targeting the police. Because the police have militarized and lost their moral authority, they are now deemed legitimate enemy targets by a growing number of armed individuals.
In an apparent targeted killing, two police officers were shot in their patrol car in Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon by a man who later fatally shot himself in head, police officials said. The shootings come at a moment when the city is roiled by demonstrations after a grand jury decided not to indict an officer in the chokehold death of a Staten Island man. The shootings on Saturday took place near Myrtle and Tompkins Avenues in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

“It looks like they were shot in the upper body,” Deputy Chief Kim Royster said.

She said that a man fled into a subway station after shooting the officers from the patrol car’s passenger side, and that the police had recovered a gun from the scene. Chief Royster said the man opened fire on the police officers, ran up Myrtle and went into a subway station. The man died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, Chief Royster said.

Fire Department officials said that a 911 call came in around 2:50 p.m. reporting that two people had been shot. Charlie Hu, the manager of a liquor store at the same corner, said he saw two police officers slouched over in the front seat of their patrol car. At least one of the officers, Mr. Hu said, appeared to have been shot in the head.

A high ranking police official called the shooting an assassination.
The problem faced by the police is that their instincts are now in direct contradiction to their best long-term interests. They are increasingly corrupt, increasingly frightened, increasingly gunned-up, increasingly feeling at war with the general population, and increasingly of a different ethnicity than the people with whom they are interacting on a regular basis.

What they should do is disarm completely, stop playing soldier, abandon the concept of "law enforcement", and stop their confrontational tactics. This is highly unlikely, however, because most police officers recruited after the Drug War began are psychologically well-suited for confrontation and quasi-militarization. They're neither trained nor psychologically equipped to lower the temperature these days.

The police problem is the same one faced by occupation forces everywhere. While they have the ability to project overwhelming Mass at specific targets at will, the complete lack of Shape means that their opponents can deliver superior Mass at any time, in almost any place. The police have forgotten that their very survival depends upon the good will of the people; the people could re-enact the Sicilian Vespers and wipe out every single police officer in the country in a single night if they were so inclined. One hopes that they will come to their senses and remember this before things get any uglier.

And this isn't uglier. We'll be fortunate if the 4GW forces developing in the USA remain content with only targeting armed officers.

A reader asks: "In 2007 or so Bill Lind wrote that cops understood that you can't fight an insurgency by cracking down.Think they still know that?" 

I don't know. I am concerned that they do not, as the manhunt in Los Angeles that very nearly killed some innocent women indicated a propensity to panic and overreact once they discover that they are the prey and no longer the untouchable predators.

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Blogger Michael Maier December 20, 2014 7:05 PM  

The Chris Dorner hunt should have terrified all thinking individuals.

They didn't even ID the folks they shot at. Twice. As in two separate incidents.

How do you confuse Latina broads and a white dude for a big black dude?

Every pig that shot at them should have faced jail time.

Anonymous Donald December 20, 2014 7:08 PM  

If this is 4GW why are 2014 line of duty death rates in line with 1950? And that's not adjusted for population growth....

Anonymous Sam the Man December 20, 2014 7:22 PM  

In September of this year a state policeman was shot by a lone gunman in PA near wilkes-barre. Now two police officers are shot in NY. Looks like this 4GW is going to start, (if in fact that is what is occuring), in the Northeast.

In both cases the shooter made no real attempt to escape. That means whatever their grevinace, they were quite prepared to die over it. That kind of shows the hostility to police is very deep.

Or it could be mentally unstable folks. Not sure you can get a trend over two incidents.

Anonymous waguy December 20, 2014 7:24 PM  

There were also the cop killings in canada earlier in the year.

Anonymous Wyrd December 20, 2014 7:25 PM  

Guards! Guards!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 20, 2014 7:38 PM  

For all of their growing militarization and corruption, I think the day that law enforcement is thrown out the window is a day to be feared.

Anonymous Mavwreck December 20, 2014 7:43 PM  

What they should do is disarm completely, stop playing soldier, abandon the concept of "law enforcement", and stop their confrontational tactics.

Isn't "law enforcement" the entire purpose of a police force? If they abandon law enforcement, what else are they supposed to do?

Anonymous Poli_Mis December 20, 2014 7:47 PM  

Laramie,
I don't fear that day. I already will not call them under any circumstance.
I actually fear them.

Anonymous Poli_Mis December 20, 2014 7:48 PM  

No, Mavwreck.

Huge philosophical difference between Law Enforcement Officer and Officer of the Peace.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 20, 2014 7:49 PM  

Law enforcement as used in its modern context. Civil forfeiture, warrantless searches, drug dogs, the war on drugs etc. All traceable back to general oath breaking. All police officers swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Most of their problems would evaporate if they redecorated themselves to their oaths.

Anonymous RP-in-TX December 20, 2014 7:50 PM  

If this is 4GW why are 2014 line of duty death rates in line with 1950? And that's not adjusted for population growth....

Does anyone have stats on armed assaults on officers? I seem to remember reading a few years back that much of the drop in murder rates in the last two decades was because of improvement in trauma medicine. Basically it said that people were now surviving assaults that would have been fatal in the past. It also said assault rates hadn't declined much and there was a lot of monkeying with the official stats on those. I can't find the article now for the life of me and it may have been a crap argument, but it did cause me to reconsider the whole "crime rates gave dropped" meme of recent years.

Blogger frigger611 December 20, 2014 7:59 PM  

I think "peace officer" was a better term.

The police are not security guards and therefore are not employed to PREVENT crime. They show up AFTER the crime.

They are employed to catch people who've already broken the law, so it's not like they're really enforcing the law, so much as hunting down those who've already violated it. Perhaps this is overly semantic.

They used to be more like sentinels, and part of the community. Now they often see themselves as adversaries of the community.

They work hardest at catching cars that go a bit too fast, or don't quite stop enough at a stop sign. And then they make quotas to beef up tickets dispensed for these infractions. Vacations and pensions gotta be funded and all that. They'll even rig the timing of traffic lights in order to generate more revenue, i.e., make more criminals. (By the way, when these lights are tampered with in this way, the intersections become MORE DANGEROUS). So much for the cops' motto "to serve and protect."

Old timers knew that the job meant working til you caught your man. Modern police realize there is no big payoff in chasing unemployed bad guys. Dangerous to boot. Who wants that?

Old timers sought to decrease the number of criminals in the community. Modern police seek to make more of them.

Anonymous VD December 20, 2014 8:06 PM  

If this is 4GW why are 2014 line of duty death rates in line with 1950? And that's not adjusted for population growth....

Because a) it is just starting, and b) medical advances significantly increase the chances of survival when shot.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 20, 2014 8:14 PM  

Just so I'm clear, the guy shot them, left the gun, and later shot himself in the head. Got it.

Maybe when he was prepping he was like, "This is my killee dem gun, and this is my killee me gun. After killee dem, I'll just leave it. Too heavy!"

Anonymous DT December 20, 2014 8:19 PM  

I might have cared if NYPD wasn't guilty of choking a man to death over cigarette taxes.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 20, 2014 8:30 PM  

Aeoli,

The guy gave it all away on Instagram. Motive, weapon, opportunity, religious affiliation etc. No need to wonder, it's all spelled out.

Blogger Penrose December 20, 2014 8:30 PM  

If this is 4GW why are 2014 line of duty death rates in line with 1950? And that's not adjusted for population growth....

Because of the advance in medical technology. 4/5 gunshot wounds are survived because of doctors and technology.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 20, 2014 8:35 PM  

The cops killed were named Ramos and Liu. The NYPD always put minorities in vibrant areas. I guess they think it might help them interact with the locals. Didnt work in this case.
I love how the media refer to the killing as "execution style", as if the shooter blindfolded them and gave them a last cigarette or maybe gave them a lethal injection.
The shooter blasted away at the front windshield of the cruiser.

Watched a news conference with the PD commish and the stupid Mayor DiBlasio. He started attempting to talk Spanish like Bloomberg use to do. Sounded just as bad, if not worse. Why they do this, I have no idea.

Blogger JohnG December 20, 2014 8:43 PM  

This isn't asymmetric warfare yet, it just looks like a duck. This has more to do with the left, the media, and the racebaiters scoring their political points, like they're counting coup. "So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot." - George Orwell. The Left is congenitally stupid and thinks they can have a couple small things happen that will further their agenda, I guarantee you that none of them think their agitation could lead to something serious and large scale. If things actually get to a civil war level, the cops are going to be a target, as well as the military.

Anonymous 11B December 20, 2014 8:59 PM  

So apparently the cop killer was a black in the Black Guerrilla Family. The officers he shot were a Chinese and some sort of Hispanic. If anything positive can come from this, it would be the fracturing of the democrat coalition. Hopefully events such as this will cause Chinese, Hispanics and others to carefully consider the consequences of voting for the democrat, i.e. black, party. You'd have thought the shooter would have thought about this and targeted whites instead.

Anonymous NWA was Right December 20, 2014 9:14 PM  

Damn Right. Disarm and de-fund.

Isn't "law enforcement" the entire purpose of a police force?

Like most Statists, you are conflating "the law" as passed with morality, justice, common law, and natural rights.
ie. conflating the "law" with morality and liberty.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 20, 2014 9:18 PM  

>The guy gave it all away on Instagram. Motive, weapon, opportunity, religious affiliation etc. No need to wonder, it's all spelled out.

Oh good, all that critical thinking was giving me a fever of 103.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 20, 2014 9:21 PM  

This thing smells. The shooter, supposedly a gangster hardened in prison, looks like he's halfway between a marshmellow and a WND columnist.

Anonymous Ben December 20, 2014 9:26 PM  

TD says so many words but they mean so little.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 20, 2014 9:30 PM  

Mavwreck: "Isn't "law enforcement" the entire purpose of a police force? If they abandon law enforcement, what else are they supposed to do?"

Sir Robert Peel's principles of policing:

Peelian Principle 1 - “The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.”

Peelian Principle 2 - “The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.”

Peelian Principle 3 - “Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.”

Peelian Principle 4 - “The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.”

Peelian Principle 5 - “Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to the public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.”

Peelian Principle 6 - “Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.”

Peelian Principle 7 - “Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.”

Peelian Principle 8 - “Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.”

Peelian Principle 9 - “The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.”


How very far we've come -- far from such ancient ideals, and also far from having a population that they could reasonably apply to.

The "occupying army" mentality in modern police officers disdains non-cops as "civilians". That has its benefits; for example the more the force sees itself as an in-group in opposition to the "civilian" out-group, the more racial tensions within a multi-racial police force can be de-emphasized (as is normal with military forces). But it means the whole Peel program is right out the window.

Also, Robert Peel was interested in a force that could work with Englishmen -- a riotous population, but 100% white, Christian, and English. You could assume that displays of absolute impartiality would impress people and win their favor. That is not the case any more. The trend is all to the bad.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 20, 2014 9:36 PM  

We're probably past the point where they can disarm. Actually, I doubt we - being rather different from the UK - ever could have had them disarmed. New York's always been more violent that London, after all.

We have clearly gone outside of the population who could be police, "constables of the peace," rather than soldiery. It takes a different and rare kind of attitude, and huge physical size can help a lot. There were never that many; we retire them too young; and some - maybe many - have probably been driven out by the militarization and the militarized.

Besides I've already said how to fix it. hehehe

Anonymous Northy December 20, 2014 9:41 PM  

@11B

When I followed that link, there was a story of 7 negros forcing a girl to have sex with 16 males over a span of one week (* at one time - One more than "Jackie" had reportedly to endure).

I wonder if the SJWs/Feminists will pick up on this story of gang rape...?

Anonymous Northy December 20, 2014 9:42 PM  

*8 at one time

Blogger James Dixon December 20, 2014 9:42 PM  

> Or it could be mentally unstable folks. Not sure you can get a trend over two incidents.

As Nate has pointed out in the past, it always starts with the "mentally unstable". This chart:

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/any-mental-illness-ami-among-adults.shtml

My be enough to remove any comfort that fact gives you.

> Isn't "law enforcement" the entire purpose of a police force?

No. As others have noted. keeping the peace is.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 20, 2014 9:45 PM  

The brutal public killing of Eric Garner, despite his complete non-violence as he was choked into a heart attack, is right in line with the modern policing mentality, as the belligerent official support shows.

"Civilians" who acted the way police routinely do would spend the rest of their lives in jail or be killed outright. There is one law for cops (and judges) and another for "civilians".

Does the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police apply in the 21st Century? No; nothing like it.

Why should police think that they can have the benefits of Peel-style policing endlessly, while trampling on its principles, while operating in a legal framework of brutal impunity, and while frequently indulging in optional displays of dominance, for example by shooting people's pet dogs?

Anonymous Eric Garner December 20, 2014 9:53 PM  

The militarized police state made me eat these 100 bacon burgers, those bastards!

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 20, 2014 9:54 PM  

Wow, these jews sure are superintelligent. They did the whole Trayvon Gentle Giant black holocaust thing to suppress The Tea Party by blaming White people, and now their negro pets are shitting all over their turnkey police state.
This must all be part of a Machiavellian Master Plan to destroy themselves before other people kill them. Brilliant!

Anonymous Flannel Avenger December 20, 2014 9:56 PM  

Kratman going "hehehe"...

We should probably be worried...

Anonymous Jack Amok December 20, 2014 9:57 PM  

Huh, it looks like the Police Guild and the Politician's Guild are having a falling out as tensions increase:

City Council President Melissa Mark-Viverito and Mayor Bill de Blasio were less than welcome guests at the poignant gathering.

“We’re all in this together,” the mayor told grieving cops, according to a cop who was there.

“No we’re not,” one officer said tersely in response.

Just last week cops began signing a “Don’t Insult My Sacrifice” waiver, distributed by the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, that warned the mayor and speaker to stay away from funerals of cops killed in the line of duty.

Blogger Max Johnson December 20, 2014 9:58 PM  

Islam. It's coming.
One has to wonder why so many spooks are drawn to Islamic faith.
Probably violence, control, and a good fallback excuse to conduct yourself like an animal in society.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni December 20, 2014 9:59 PM  

Police do not defend the people. They defend the state. War against the police is war against the state. But what is it for? I see no unifying ideology in these attacks.

Anonymous Red Comet December 20, 2014 10:04 PM  

Hopefully events such as this will cause Chinese, Hispanics and others to carefully consider the consequences of voting for the democrat, i.e. black, party.

It will fracture eventually anyway. Literally the only thing those groups have in common is a political interest in one-upping the white man. That ends when white men no longer have the numbers or money to keep the hate train rolling.

Hispanics will leave once they have the numbers for their own party/parties. The Democrats are fools if they think the mestizos are going to vote for a white guy with an East Coast white name rather than Generalisimo Jose Rodriguez or some such.

Asians (both mongoloid and Indian) will leave once white numbers are down to the level where the government has to start coming after THEIR money and hitting THEM with affirmative action hiring restrictions like it does white men today.

The Democrat party will be left as the party of blacks and liberal whites, the latter of whom are presently not reproducing or otherwise deleting themselves from the future via abortion.

I don't look forward to the All Against All future of the United States, but I will get a laugh at aging white lib (pseudo) intellectuals not being able to figure out why vibrant youth just don't seem to care about all their big ideas about society.

Blogger Max Johnson December 20, 2014 10:07 PM  

I'm afraid if shit truly hit the fan, all of these keyboard warriors will be begging for a pig to come help them.
A roving gang of black thugs busting up your suburban digs and eating all yo biscuits just may hit to close for comfort.

Anonymous Rob Lee December 20, 2014 10:15 PM  

"When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law, just a fight for survival." Billy Jack said those words in the titular movie, and I always thought them a bit hokey; not so much now. Problem is, whether you like the cops or not, they will now be even more aggressive, as will the crooks, with normal folks caught in the middle. This isn't going to end well.

Blogger Terry Ott December 20, 2014 10:17 PM  

Did I not read this killer also shot a woman alleged to be his “girlfriend” earlier in the day? If so, instead of us having seen the activity of a person seeking revenge on behalf of aggrieved third party(ies), we probably have a lunatic who may have been on some substance or other to screw up his courage. Good riddance, but at a terrible price.

Anonymous Sam the man December 20, 2014 10:23 PM  

Part of the issue that folks seem to have with police is that they are behaving much like knights of old. That is they are acting as armed enforcers of the nobilities (politicians) will, holding arms that are prohibited to the populace by right of the lords. Part of the knight class rights were that no force could be used against them by the peasants. Certainly in New York with the virtual banning of arms to the normal folks and the inability of police to be disciplined in any way for a negligent death, It seems like the US is going back to an almost feudal form of law enforcement.

On the other hand, now that the police seem to represent traditional western world view, in areas that are anything but part of the Northern European culture, what are they to do? The great society program of the 1960s and all of the racial preferences have led to a state where vast parts of all cities have some post-apocalyptic gang land culture; there is no form of police that is going to work the way Sir Peel wanted it to. The police force will always be seen as an occupying force. Much of the attitudes folks dislike in modern police force come about because of this unavoidable state of affairs.

How does one reconcile this?

Anonymous Butch December 20, 2014 10:29 PM  

I wonder if he chose Asian and Hispanic officers instead of whites for a reason.

Anonymous Anon December 20, 2014 10:30 PM  

"I'm afraid if shit truly hit the fan, all of these keyboard warriors will be begging for a pig to come help them"

Not if they're married. A lot of women nowadays don't trust cops for obvious reasons. The cops have ostracized themselves from the community.

Anonymous Mavwreck December 20, 2014 10:40 PM  

OK...it looks like, from the Ilk's POV, "law enforcement officers" try to stop crimes before they happen - they actively look for violations. They're often seen as separate from the people they're serving. "Peace officers" track down offenders after the fact; they only prevent crimes via their deterrent effect. They're seen as a part of the community they protect.

Essentially, "law enforcement" in this context means more than literally "enforcing the law" - it's a philosophy of policing.

Thanks for the clarification.

Anonymous Action Bronson December 20, 2014 10:43 PM  

Wasn't talking to you Rob. You actually make a good point about how this incident will make cops more aggressive. It will definitely increase the "us vs them" mentally among most cops and many innocents will likely suffer as a result.

Anonymous Mavwreck December 20, 2014 10:46 PM  

Oh, and Titus, thanks for posting the link to that article on Sir Peel's principles.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 20, 2014 10:48 PM  

"A roving gang of black thugs busting up your suburban digs and eating all yo biscuits just may hit to close for comfort."

Outside the urban hellholes, blacks are heavily outnumbered. They won't last too long with their 9's and 40's going up against groups with deer rifles or ARs.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber December 20, 2014 10:53 PM  

Yeah, the police knew Garner. They knew he had serious health issues. I reckon that he was killed to send a message. All for taxes. Don't believe that they would have done that for a joint.

Blogger Max Johnson December 20, 2014 10:55 PM  

Agreed.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus December 20, 2014 10:55 PM  

A "roving gang of thugs" will wilt under fire from just one determined man and a few 30-round clips. Particularly when nearby "soft targets" can be had: SJW homes, liberal bedwetters, cis-punks. Korean shopkeepers aren't all that impressive, until you give them a few handguns and a willingness to shoot: they sure managed to keep Rodney King rioters at bay

Anonymous Sarcophilus December 20, 2014 11:03 PM  

Although not quite what I expected, I went back to a Catholic source that talked about the torture report and wasn't disappointed that I was disappointed.
"The [good] ends justify [evil] means" is not Christian teaching, in fact it is the opposite, but most, including Catholics accept Torture. At least the host didn't and stated the teaching (with too many caveats and apologies) correctly.
But there are fewer Abortionists than "Al Queda's #2" (there are more #2s there than in the Patrick McGoohan "The Prisoner" series), since we assert we kill one or two every week and have been doing so for years.
Ticking time bomb: innocent babies will be ripped limb from limb in a painful death, but you merely have to disable (e.g. run down with your car) the abortionist to prevent it. Do you do so?
Scott Roeder stopped George Tiller from performing abortions including 3rd trimester - he had literal blood of innocents on his surgical gloved hands.

Or I've asked that during the Boston Marathon, how many innocent babies were ripped limb from limb and murdered within a few miles of where that bomb went off and did something rather similar. The police reacted to the latter.

If the community self-identifying itself as "Christian" and suggesting mass murder, collateral damage, assassination, and torture of "towel head terrorists" would simply do the same themselves to abortionists (in 4gw form, yet is a state that is allowing or encouraging or doing a holocaust legitimate?), it would end in two weeks. I state this not to advocate it but simply to illustrate the principle - and the hypocrisy of a double standard in applying it.

But here, the police protect the Dr. Mengele's slaughtering the most innocent. Saddam had his rape rooms, we have our clinics. And the palace guard protects the evil.

The police can become legitimate again, or something akin to police (disagreeing with the voluntarists at copblock.org) who do keep order and the peace and protect the weak from violence will arise.

I've noted that police ought to be reactive (only respond when called upon for an immediate or reported criminal act - zero drug war "crimes"), not proactive (trying to entrap or looking for easy criminals who aren't a threat). That changes the threshold by itself.

And let me add one thing police do which destroy their legitimacy is their (aggressive) enforcement of mere traffic laws. They have a quota or decide you are a target so issue tickets (Ferguson, MO is documented). Not the person driving dangerously, not driving and observing, but snoozing until the radar speed threshold alarm goes off. Then the insurance goes off, traffic courts are either corrupt or unjust in other ways, etc. Ka-band radar seeking missiles?

Anonymous Peter December 20, 2014 11:06 PM  

"...in New York with the virtual banning of arms..."

Everyone in New York who wants a gun has one. During the ~25 years that I lived within NYC proper (as opposed to NY State) I was armed.

Obviously, the white, liberal, SJW demographic is disarmed, but everyone else is strapped. So long as these police shootings are isolated in time and space, the NYPD will be able to bring overwhelming numbers/force and so keep the lid on. What y'all need to wait for is the inevitable overreaction, and that's just a matter of time. Then it gets interesting.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 20, 2014 11:10 PM  

Mavwreck: "Essentially, "law enforcement" in this context means more than literally "enforcing the law" - it's a philosophy of policing."

Right.

The police acting under a law enforcement philosophy may often be enforcing lawlessness or things that guarantee lawlessness. That is to say, they may be enforcing anarcho-tyranny. If an Islamic demonstration is offering death threats to whites and Christians all around, and you object and demand that this be stopped, the cop that has no interest in the actions of the privileged "diverse" group but a strong interest in arresting you unless you shut up and take it is manifesting a modern "law enforcement" attitude. If you go to the border with your armed friends, and try to stop settlers and drug traders flooding into your country, the men with guns that show up and stop you doing that will be police, "enforcing the law" against you (regardless of your legal right -- any pretext will do) and disregarding the lawbreaking you are trying to stop. If you try to do anything to stop your schools or your city turning into an urban hell -- again it's the cops. If you don't want the established anti-British colony in your town raping your daughter... etc.

When the police are not the people themselves maintaining the peace but servants of the ruling class, and the ruling class is opposed to the people, all for chaos (for its ethnic enemies) and contemptuous of law, so are the police.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld December 20, 2014 11:12 PM  

@Peter

The case is different in Australia though. Guns are very hard to get here. As the gun control laws are easier to enforce in an Island nation.

4GW is harder to conduct here due to the difficulty in gaining weapons.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 20, 2014 11:15 PM  

Mavwreck: "Oh, and Titus, thanks for posting the link to that article on Sir Peel's principles."

:)

Glad to help.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow December 20, 2014 11:16 PM  

Sarco is right. The 9/11 Gang killed 3000 adults in the name of God. In America, we kill that many babies every day for money.

If this were a Christian civilization, there wouldn't be an abortion facility standing anywhere. If we were serious about fighting terrorism, Guantanamo would be filled with abortionists.

If you saw a madman with a knife approaching a baby in a crib, you'd be right in shooting him. Yet every day a madman with a knife approaches a baby in its mother's womb with a knife, and no one raises a finger to stop him.

Not even me.

Blogger Bogey December 20, 2014 11:26 PM  

What they should do is disarm completely

Cop: "Put down your weapons or we'll...hit you with this here club!"
Criminal: "Stupid cop, figures you'd bring a marching baton to a gunfight"
Cop: "We also have swear words and forceful language!"

Anonymous Peter December 20, 2014 11:36 PM  

@standing

I happen to know a few Aussies. You'd be surprised at how many guns there are in Oz.

Anonymous zen0 December 20, 2014 11:38 PM  

As William S. Lind predicted it would in his book ON WAR, 4GW has arrived in America and is targeting the police

Actually, he recently did a column on 4g war coming to America, but it was targeting the rioters in Ferguson.

That is,


4GW Comes to Ferguson

December 6, 2014 William S. Lind 25 Comments


Last week, Fourth Generation war paid a visit to Ferguson, Missouri. I am not speaking of the rioting, looting, and burning; elements in the black urban community have for decades used any incident as an excuse to riot. There is an element of 4GW in other blacks lining up with the looters and arsonists against law enforcement, even though it is their own neighborhoods, stores, and even churches that go up in flames. But what happened in Ferguson was much more powerful than that, in terms ofthe future toward which it points.

This time, when the state failed to perform its duty of protecting persons and property, armed volunteers did so in its place.

A story in the Sunday, November 30 New York Times, “On Rooftops of Ferguson, Volunteers–With Guns,” has major significance for the arrival of 4GW in this country. The Times reported that


Under the auspices of a national group called the Oath Keepers, Mr. (Sam) Andrews accelerated plans to recruit and organize private security details for businesses in Ferguson, which are receiving the services free. The volunteers, who are sometimes described as a citizen militia–but do not describe themselves that way–have taken up armed positions on rooftops here on recent nights…

On its website, Oath Keepers released a recruiting message to “all skilled veterans and patriots” and asked them to “grab your gear and start rolling toward Ferguson…”

That some business owners accepted aid from a group regarded by some as an anti-government militia is a testament to the rawness of emotions here…

To use one of John Boyd’s favorite phrases, that is very interesting. To the best of my knowledge, it is the first 21st century case in the U.S. of a militia stepping in to keep order when the state fails. It is what we see happening regularly in other parts of the world where the state has disintegrated, but I did not expect it quite so soon on our own soil.

Blogger Doom December 20, 2014 11:39 PM  

I'll have to spend more time on this, if and when I am more awake. Might blog a post. Your whole take on this is so screwy and contradictory that just managing to get a hand on it, at this moment, and in my health state to boot, just... I'll try to scramble and cook these eggs soon. Basically, though, it seems as if you are saying they are damned if they do, damned if they don't, while almost suggesting you don't care in spite of being terribly involved. None of those things fits with the others. Yeah... I'll try and do a post in a day or two. But you have to choose which, what, and when, not disagree just to disagree, no matter which way. Or not. There is that.

Blogger Simon Jester December 20, 2014 11:41 PM  

Just as a point of reference, 4 cops were executed 4-5 years ago in Lakewood, WA in a similar incident. Why are you stating this as being the beginning of 4GW war, when in fact you could arbitrarily put its start at several places.

What I am trying to get at is: What sets this incident apart? Or (related) why is this indicative of 4GW when other incidents would then merely be "random acts of violence?"

I think the answer is going to be along the lines of a 4GW incursion has been in the making for a while. But I honestly want to draw some boundaries here to understand.

Anonymous Viidad December 20, 2014 11:45 PM  

Max Johnson: "I'm afraid if shit truly hit the fan, all of these keyboard warriors will be begging for a pig to come help them.
A roving gang of black thugs busting up your suburban digs and eating all yo biscuits just may hit to close for comfort."

I'm sure there are some fakers... but plenty more are armed to the teeth and wouldn't mind some target practice.

Anonymous daddynichol December 20, 2014 11:50 PM  

"A roving gang of black thugs busting up your suburban digs and eating all yo biscuits just may hit to close for comfort."

In our little Kansas County, several of us did a rough estimate of guns in possession. In a population of 10,000 people, adult men comprise 3,850 of the total. Safe to say 3,000 own gun. Most have at least one hand gun, a shotgun and rifle, but more than that own several more. At 4 weapons each, we have at least 12,000 guns. Again, that's one small county in rural Kansas. Let da bros come for a fight and see who wins.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 20, 2014 11:51 PM  

"but plenty more are armed to the teeth and wouldn't mind some target practice."

Gee; ya think?

Blogger The Deuce December 21, 2014 12:07 AM  

What they should do is disarm completely...

They would need to segregate the police force by city first. It would be absolute suicidal insanity for white cops to try to police inner city black neighborhoods unarmed.

Though, tbh, I'm increasingly under the impression that the cops should just abandon places like Ferguson altogether and let its "mostly peaceful" residents try to take care of themselves.

Anonymous Rhys December 21, 2014 12:15 AM  

@ Simon Jester: I am not Vox but I think you are quibbling on terms. 4GW is beginning, as in we are in the early stages of it, but this is not the starting event. What the starting event was is something historians will bicker endlessly over and will only seem apparent in hindsight.
What exact incident could be considered the start of the fall of the Roman Empire? No one knows but we take certain events as its beginning because they seem significant. The events that are significant in the rise of 4GW war in America won't be known until after the fact.

BTW, I love your name. The Moon is a harsh mistress is a great novel and there are some interesting 4GW concepts in there.

Anonymous Eric Garner December 21, 2014 12:20 AM  

The fucking pigs also made me smoke menthol cigarettes for decades!

Blogger pdwalker December 21, 2014 12:23 AM  

standingagainsttheworld,

It is not hard to get guns in Australia if you have friends in low places.

Vox,

When white people start doing this consistently in greater numbers, then I'll believe that the time has truly arrived. I think white people still have too much to lose at this time and we'll need to wait a few more years for things to get worse before that starts to happen. In my opinion.

Anonymous Hoss December 21, 2014 12:33 AM  

"...A roving gang of black thugs busting up your suburban digs..."

I see this as a threat from the lefties from time to time, and I laugh. And as others have mentioned, the urbanites would have one hell of a surprise venturing into the suburbs. I almost get giddy thinking about it.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 21, 2014 12:53 AM  

Hoss, that's something that scares the leftists, so they assume you must be scared too. No realization that some people are drooling for that to happen.

Anonymous AnalogMan December 21, 2014 12:58 AM  

What they should do is disarm completely, stop playing soldier, abandon the concept of "law enforcement", and stop their confrontational tactics.

Nonsense. That kind of policing is only possible in a generally law-abiding society. In a largely criminal society, law enforcement is exactly what you need. When the criminals are armed, the police need to be better armed.

I'm usually skeptical when someone uses the phrase "the people". Especially in a context where "the people" is actually a hodge-podge of diverse, vibrant competing groups of people. There is no 4GW happening here. There is just a mob that has been stoked by agitators (including the government) into committing random violent acts. If it ever were to develop into an insurrection, it would be easily put down.

When White people get angry enough to organize an insurrection, then look out.

Anonymous 11B December 21, 2014 12:58 AM  

4GW is harder to conduct here due to the difficulty in gaining weapons.

If Pakistani tribesmen can utilize tools to make their own copies of modern weapons, I bet there are a lot of Aussies with the know-how to do the same.

If you have not seen this, check out Pakistani's making guns just like Americans make custom bikes.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 1:00 AM  

I happen to know a few Aussies. You'd be surprised at how many guns there are in Oz.

Shhh, you'll scare the natives.

Anonymous Al Sharpton December 21, 2014 1:06 AM  

Vox and I agree that dead white cops are good for the black community.

Anonymous Sighing Gene Wilder December 21, 2014 1:09 AM  

"When the criminals are armed, the police need to be better armed."

Yeah, thats why I want a to own a nuke and not have to deal with the all that federal paperwork.

Anonymous Al Sharpton December 21, 2014 1:13 AM  

Look how skinny I got sniffing blow off white hoes titties. Tax free!

Anonymous Jack Amok December 21, 2014 1:15 AM  

What I am trying to get at is: What sets this incident apart? Or (related) why is this indicative of 4GW when other incidents would then merely be "random acts of violence?"

I think you're correct that historians in the future will look back on a string of incidents and argue about which one was "the start." But Vox didn't say this was the start, he just said 4GW was here. Maybe it's been here a while. The most relevant thing is the example. I remember the Lakewood shooting (I live east of Seattle). That was actually the middle of three different attacks on police over about a two month span. A pair of Seattle cops were shot a month earlier, and two Sheriff deputies were shot down in Eatonville a couple weeks later.

Since then, the Seattle PD have significantly de-escalated their contact with potential criminals. Not in a good, Peelian way - they've simply stopped doing much policing and the thugs are starting to overrun the city. I doubt anyone in the Seattle PD would admit there was a connection, but anyone looking at the situation could be excused for thinking there was.

The three shooters in those attacks, and the guy in NY, and Dorner in LA - so far all of them have been nutbars, because it's always nutbars who are the first to decide they don't have anything else to lose. But if the shit sandwiches keep coming, more and more people are going to decide they don't have anything left to lose. The Machine will be using cops to extract the last few drops of blood from those folks.

And they'll have these examples.

4GW isn't a cabal sitting around planning how to start the revolution and then recruiting cannon fodder. It's a bunch of people who independantly decide they've had enough and who start to self-organize around some set of ideas.

Anonymous Anubis December 21, 2014 1:23 AM  

I don't remember the year but Philly had 5 cops killed on the job in one year. It was before 2008 when I moved.

Blogger Shibes Meadow December 21, 2014 1:23 AM  

Up next: police strikes. That ought to be interesting.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 2:28 AM  

Damn it, there is a serious disturbance in the force field or whatever you want to call it. As the news media unravels the banksters are laughing and plotting. something else is brewing.

4GW, gen x'ers are pissed, smart, faster and resolute.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 2:30 AM  

Charlotte April 2007, black man shot 2 white officers who were delivering or executing (not sure on the exact verbiage) a warrant of some sort.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 2:31 AM  

Every sunday Jesse Jackson or Al have a call in show, its around 3 hours, sunday morning. Dont recall details about it but callers are jacked, pissed and inconsolable.

Anonymous liljoe December 21, 2014 3:11 AM  

Cops are real tough guys when they are the ones shooting and murdering, and remorseless to boot. At least this guy had honor enough to do himself after the deed. Your typical overweight American cop would be whining for paid vacation and counseling, safe in the knowledge corrupt politicos and judges will cover for him/her. Why were the victims tragic "heroes"? just existing as a police officer or jack booted State enforcer type makes you a hero? Still?

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:16 AM  



Romans 13:1-5
"1) Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2) Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3) For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4) For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5) Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience."

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:20 AM  

Or maybe it's an Islamic loon using his religion of peace to murder a couple of cops and his ol' lady, and get that big orgy waiting for him in the hereafter.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:22 AM  

You clearly have never dealt with living near negros with guns. You should try it. You would be begging the cops to get nukes, snapper head.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:25 AM  

And pick dat 3 pack o day Newport habit up!

Damn pigs!

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:33 AM  

Rural isn't surburban. I understand the country folk will take up arms; I'm talking about the croc-wearing, Focus-driving twats that live in gated communities in affluent areas.
Let a few niggies come barreling up to da door with their glocks and tats and we will see how fast Chad or Mark will pull the trigger and take control.
Most spineless fucks nowadays can't even get his wife to listen to him, and you think Tyrone is going to fear him? Get real.

Blogger Shimshon December 21, 2014 3:33 AM  

"The officers — Rafael Ramos, 40, and Wenjian Liu, 32 — were in the area as part of a push to beef up cops’ presence near violence-plagued housing projects."

You gotta love modern policing techniques. Stay in the nice heated car, chomping on donuts and chugging coffee. Lot of good this does. Walking a beat is too demeaning to these fools.

And typical to conflate all minorities into one large group. Otherwise, doesn't it make sense to have black police in black areas?

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:39 AM  

Yeah right.
You going to throw one of your crocs at him?
Download an app to help you talk jive to the negro?
What about send your yapping wife out to confront him; Lord knows you can't even make her cook a meal.
White surbanites are all talk. This isn't an Xbox game, son.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 3:43 AM  

Yeah right.
Typing smack and delivering are two different things.
Shooting at Bambi from your cozy deer stand might make you feel more chubbier in the budgie smugglers, but negros with guns actually shoot back.

Anonymous Porphyry December 21, 2014 3:57 AM  

stfu max just cause you would present your ass like a present doesn't mean everyone else would.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 21, 2014 4:52 AM  

Who the hell are you talking to Max?

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 5:00 AM  

Whomever it applies.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 5:01 AM  

I always present myself like a present.

Anonymous Sensei December 21, 2014 5:44 AM  

Romans 13:1-5

Ah, proof-texting is so much easier than bothering with context and other passages and all that. But we live in a democracy, so in a sense we -are- our own governing authorities. A bizarre turn of events, and one that's unfortunately proving itself unsustainable in the long run.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 6:24 AM  

Sensei: "But we live in a democracy, so in a sense we -are- our own governing authorities."

No, we live in democracies that have been subverted, so our authorities are either enemies practicing crypsis or members of what should be our own elites who have accepted our enemies as their peers and consequently share the perception of our hidden enemies that we are an evil out-group.

Witness: the reaction to the Martin Place attack, with bogans and presumptively prejudiced and hostile whites reframed as the threat, and Muslims reframed as the victims.

Immediately and tactically the police may be useful and often are.

In the long run and pervasively, as servants of the prevailing power and as a force that is no longer the people policing itself, the role of the police is to keep the white population passive, disarmed and disorganized, while shepherding the rise to power of imported hordes.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 21, 2014 7:34 AM  

The shooting was done by a black minority. The 4GW is between the Jewish Shock troops, i.e. minorities, i.e. blacks and hispanics. There is a religious, racial, cultural war going on and the blacks and hispanics, the victims, are going to pursue vengenance upon "white priviledge" while anarchist "American" Europeans are going to be engaging in resistance to the threat of progressive totalitarianism.

America is a failed state. It goes back to its foundation. Evil doesn't stand for long and it soon eats itself.

Anonymous Sensei December 21, 2014 7:52 AM  

No, we live in democracies that have been subverted...

The passage M quoted doesn't mention subversion, we're talking about two different things.

I don't argue our democracy isn't in terrible shape (though I don't think subversion is our biggest threat, but generations who are simply incapable of self-governance and thus must needs be ruled by others), but that wasn't my point; my point was that you can't simply throw "submit to the governing authorities" at every situation and claim anyone who disagrees with you is violating scriptural commands, because that is improper use of scripture.

Anonymous richard December 21, 2014 7:57 AM  

A question: What conditions/criteria are needed to cause the onset of 4GW? I note the absence of it in the most despotic/oppressive countries in the world (Soviet Union, North Korea, Nazi Germany & etc.). On the other hand, 4GW-type action appears to have been a norm in places like Afganistan for hundreds of years (tribal warfare--war of all against all). Perhaps the causative impetus is the abandonment of morality. While states historically never had any, maybe 4GW starts when a significant portion of a also population abandons it.

Anonymous . December 21, 2014 8:01 AM  

Max Johnson is right.

As soon as the roving gangs of niggers show up in your placid suburban neighborhood, ALL you chest-thumping libertarian retards will be begging, BEGGING for the police to show up and mow them down with machine guns.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 8:08 AM  

I never made that claim--you did.
I simply posted a bible verse.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 8:36 AM  

Sensei: "...my point was that you can't simply throw "submit to the governing authorities" at every situation and claim anyone who disagrees with you is violating scriptural commands, because that is improper use of scripture."

My point is similar but simpler.

"3) For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you."

That's not how it is.

Anonymous Brain Death December 21, 2014 8:37 AM  

"As soon as the roving gangs of niggers show up in your placid suburban neighborhood, ALL you chest-thumping libertarian retards will be begging, BEGGING for the police to show up and mow them down with machine guns."

Most, perhaps but not all. Following the 80/20 rule, if you have 1/5th of suburban homes with an AR and a willingness to use it, the ghetto thugs have now bit off more than they can chew.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2014 9:20 AM  

"Roving gangs of niggers" now there is some 2GW rhetoric if I have ever heard any. That sounds like some stupid crap that would be uttered in 1972 from a Nixon campaign worker to a bunch of bar flies at the corner dive. "Better vote for Nixon to set things straight"

Bur leave it to us aging whites to utterly miss the boat so we can watch Mayberry reruns and wait on the next political superman to set things straight.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2014 9:32 AM  

Then the guns as talismans against disorder, now that is a good old conservative hoot. 99% of the time its from people who think that, rack the slide on the 'ol shotgun is the epitome of tactics.

If you are going to buy an AR or an equivalent then learn how to use it effectively, either as sole participant in an incident or within a buddy/team group. I suggest Max Velocity Tactical for your training progression, otherwise you are a collector and keyboard commando.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2014 9:54 AM  

> But what is it for? I see no unifying ideology in these attacks.

Because there isn't one. Yet.

> I'm afraid if shit truly hit the fan, all of these keyboard warriors will be begging for a pig to come help them.

The nearest "pig" that could come to help is stationed at the county seat, about 25 miles avway. Yeah, I'm sure he'd be right up. We're not all suburbanites.

> The case is different in Australia though. Guns are very hard to get here.

It's only a matter of time till 3d printing renders that moot (right now the materials aren't strong enough). In the meantime, there's a Wikipedia article you might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm

Blogger Chris Mallory December 21, 2014 9:56 AM  

Yeah, those Korean shopkeepers out in LA had paid their "Max Velocity Tactical " dues.
Mantra, you are the one who sounds like a keyboard commando.

Anonymous jla December 21, 2014 9:57 AM  

Please bare with me as this may seem OT at first, but shows the incompetence, corruption and utter indifference these people have for the ruin they impose on us common folk.

My son t-boned a 77 year couple last April. All the officers that arrived, including State troopers, agreed that it was a simple case of an elderly couple's failure to yield. But, because it involved fatalities, the major crash investigation team was called in from Booneville, about two hours away. After waiting for nearly three hours my wife got permission to take my son home to ice his knees.

Apparently this couple bought the Martin's (a friend from my childhood) old farm when he retired and had sizable assets. He also had a son who works in the insurance business. The next thing I know a lawyer for my insurance is informing me that they have paid $50,000 for his wife and were going to offer another $50,000 for the husband in exchange for them to stop any civil proceedings against my son. After much prodding as to why they were so quick to settle, he reluctantly told me that the family had hired a reconstruction expert (no doubt from his company) in which it was claimed my son was driving 67mph on impact an likely much faster before skidding.

I sought counsel and was informed by two lawyers that this was not an admission of guilt and that they were just covering my son's and their own asses. Meanwhile, my son has knee surgery involving months of therapy, misses about six months of work, gets shafted on his truck and their insurance won't return our calls.

Here's where it gets dicey We had been trying for weeks to get a copy of the CRR(crash reconstruction report) when they finally mailed a cd complete with pictures and raw data from the caddies black box(my son's was not equipped with one) and tons of rather complicated coordinate data in an ALMOST indecipherable form. A few days later, one of those troopers who tried to console my son at the scene, delivers a citation for 'careless and reckless operation of a vehicle'. WTF He can't even look squarely into my wife's eyes.

At this point my lawyer still thinks this is ridiculous and that he should be able to get the case thrown out over lunch with the prosecutor. What a dumb fuck. He simply could not bring himself to look at this situation from the family of the deceased's perspective. THEY NEEDED MY SON TO EITHER BE CONVICTED OR PLEAD GUILTY AND EXCEPT SOME KIND OF DIVERSION. It was the only way they could insure their inheritance remained intact.

In fairness, I wasn't inclined to look at it that way either until we read the five victim impact statements submitted to the prosecution by all three siblings and two spouses, but he is suppose to be familiar with this shit. Instead, he got blindsided and so scared shitless by the allegations and the obvious politics that came into play (newspaper articles glorifying the couple that hit the stands a couple weeks before the trial date) that he tried to convince us to take the diversion plea without being forthcoming about it's ramifications on the civil side.

Anonymous jla December 21, 2014 9:57 AM  

But for the grace of God we would have taken that plea last Tuesday. A paperwork snafu derailed it and gave my son and I a chance to read the victim impact statements and discuss it further. I was actually quite proud of the courage he showed in calling the lawyer that night and telling him where to stick his deal. I step in the conversation and demanded a meeting with his reconstruction expert and a guy who handles the civil cases to which he agreed.

You see, I had already studied the CRR and found numerous discrepancies of which all were relevant and detrimental to my son. I tried to explain this to him before, but his eyes glazed over at the mere mention of the evidence or the significance thereof. Finally I would talk to someone who could comprehend the injustice being done. Alas, had this been done months ago when I first suggested it.

But, it gets even better. Two nights ago my wife notice the time of arrival given in the CRR by the investigating officer of 1:28 was to early to be possible. This I subsequently confirmed from a text message at 1:45 stating they were getting ready to leave soon. As I previous stated, the investigator had yet to arrive to take my Son's statement and they had to get permission to leave because he was in pain. In addition, I tried to corroborate this by checking the meta data on the 60 pictures from the scene. Holy shit. According to the meta data, the officer snap 58 pictures between 1:45 and 1:58, a rate of about one in ever 18.6 seconds. Amazing isn't it? Considering the distances traveled, evidenced by those pictures, he had to literally be jogging to it.

Furthermore, in the thirteen minutes prior to taking the pictures he apparently manage to imaged the black box(seen in some pictures) and mark with yellow paint scores of skid marks, final resting places and various points of view. All this while my wife, son, daughter and a friend stood by his truck and not only didn't notice Benny Hill running around with the paint can and camera, but manage evade all the pictures too.

And. IT. Gets. Better! Yesterday morning I began some preparation for the meeting when I opened a couple files of raw data I had previously ignored. These involved data coordinates in relation to ground zero; a yellow x marking the place the collided. x=0000 y=0000 z=0000 = rp =reference point

This is done with a gps device on a five foot pole and uploaded with the ability to tag them individually. All other coordinates are given relative to the rp and loose meaning without. Guess what? In his haste to get back to Booneville, Benny somehow cocked it up. As near as I can tell, every coordinate given is off by about 65 feet south southwest and about one foot eight inches below grade. Its shows my son's truck tires at an average of about 45 feet from the rp, yet his written report claims 53 feet skidding on pavement and another 56 feet of steep grassy ditch. It also shows points in the middle of the road, within 15 feet of the rp to be nearly 2 feet higher on the slight grade uphill, and 1.33 feet higher on the down hill side. Unbelievable.

So, there you have it. An officer in charge of fatality crashes, the creme of the crop, threw my 20 year old son under the bus in a criminal a capricious manner in order to hide his own incompetence.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 21, 2014 9:58 AM  

Richard has a valid point. The USSR, North Korea, Nazi Germany had no 4GW. It is only in Israel with the Palestinians until they built the wall, in Iraq, In Syria, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, now in America.

Slobadan Milosevic had a 4GW in Kosovo. He had it solved until the Henry Kissingers, Thomas Friedmans, Newt Gingrichs, Clintons of the world had to use violence to impose universalist Peace outcomes. Then Andre Brevik and the Taliban massacre of "innocent victims".

America has been in civil war before the founding and continues to have it. From the Presbyterian War (aka The Revolutionary War) {the war between Scottish Presbyterians and the Anglicans}, the Whiskey Rebellion, the Kansas slavery wars, the Civil War, the Reconstruction under-civil War (that was a real 4GW war, the KKK against the Republican establishment), the Prohibition war, the Mafia wars, the Vietnam protests, the 60s cultural wars with all sorts of bombings, the Watts and Detroit riots, the Rodney King riots, the Ferguson riots, and the school massacres.

Tell me--has America ever known peace? America is in a state of constant 4GW warfare. This latest assassination of two officers of the NYPD is just the begginning. This is just the latest in the Black intifada against "White Priviledge". Soon, there is going to be an Hispanic intifada against "White Priviledge" as well. America has always been in a state of constant turmoil and ravaging.

America is going to suffer more 4GW because it has no racial unity, no religious unity, no ideological unity, and a ruling hostile elite of Jews who not only foment racial hatred with policial correctness but gender hatred along with ideological hatred.

What a mess. America has been and will be a failed state.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 21, 2014 10:05 AM  

Don't feed the Max Johnson troll.

Anonymous Donald December 21, 2014 10:11 AM  

Vox; was NWA right or not?

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 10:15 AM  

Jerry Pournelle and SM Stirling have some interesting comments contra Martin Van Creveld around the end of Go Tell The Spartans.

You can get it at the baen.com site for around $7.

Of course, that relates to a different world ...

Blogger FALPhil December 21, 2014 10:29 AM  

THe moron under the screen name "." wrote:

As soon as the roving gangs of niggers show up in your placid suburban neighborhood, ALL you chest-thumping libertarian retards will be begging, BEGGING for the police to show up and mow them down with machine guns.


You are totally clueless. Living in a state with a "stand your ground" law which has been upheld after 4 challenges, I can pretty much call BS on your post. The world is different than it was 20 years ago, and some of us are adapting.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 10:32 AM  

You may be up for a challenge, but most aren't. That's the point. Do you think beta white bread surburbanites who are anti-gun, irreligious, and hen-pecked are going to join his fellow white country folk in a gunfight with Tyrone? No. He'd be more likely to join them to save his Starbucks-sippin' ass than help a conservative.
And there's plenty more of them than we realize.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 10:34 AM  

Ebola is no longer in the news, but that does not mean that it is no longer a problem.

Anonymous Roundtine December 21, 2014 10:35 AM  

I'm not sure this will break the way you think. There's another way of looking at 4GWr and that is the Deep State. In Egypt, the Deep State is the military/police. When the Muslim Brotherhood came to power, they decided not to do their jobs as well as before. The result was the MB was seen as incompetent and quickly removed from power.

Police forces in America could destroy left-wing governments such as DeBlasio in NYC by doing as you say, by agreeing and amplifying the leftist demands and letting the criminals run even more amok in liberal cities.

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 10:36 AM  

Some? 4 cases? IF the crap hit the fan, you need more than some...which in reality is a few.
Blacks stick together. Whites are to self-absorbed and intellectual to form a defensive front.

Blogger Simon Jester December 21, 2014 10:37 AM  

@Rhys

Thanks ... that is exactly where I got my name. I agree with you.

But I am not quibbling on terms. Vox is saying that 4GW comes to New York with the execution of those cops. I am not denying that 4GW is real or even here. What I am trying to get at is that it seems arbitrary and capricious to pick this cop execution when a few years ago there were other incidents that would qualify just as well.

This is important, because 4GW has to be instigated from some fountainhead. In the case of the cop executions a few years ago, there was no political motivation (like "I Can't Breathe") or coherent purpose, but the same racial and societal divisions were claimed as motivation.

So what I am trying to do is to determine:

a) Is Vox saying that 4GW is just a higher intensity of violence instigated by societal divisions (class, race, etc)?
b) Does 4GW (as a theory) guide you to any other conclusions?

If the answer to (a) is yes, then that is wrong. Warfare, even 4GW, must have a purpose and directing methodology. And if it is just a historical dialectic, then that is silly because 4GW simply becomes a Marxist Revolution by another name.

But I suspect that is not what Vox is suggesting. I would imagine that the point is that battle lines drawn elsewhere in the world are "calling American citizens to arms" in their service. The next event (b) would be a terrorist event on American soil performed by an American turned jihadi (for example) as well as an aligning between forces that Americans see as primarily driven by race (Farakhan's groups for example) throwing in with global Muslim forces. And then things would get interesting.

Look at it this way: Fascism came to the Middle East via the Nazis as the Germans tried to influence and control Iraq, Syria, and Eqypt in the late 1930's. There is a clear confluence between Fascism and Jihadic Islam that can trace its roots to that time. I know that predates 4GW, but some of the tactics are similar, and there are interesting observations that follow.

But claiming 4GW as a motivation rather than a tactical and strategic selection is wrong, I would think.

Anonymous Porphyry December 21, 2014 10:37 AM  

@ max johnson & . "human beings in a mob; what's a mob to a king? what's a king to a god?" or in other words (mob -> government -> justice)

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 10:39 AM  

Thank you Ebola-Chan!

Blogger Max Johnson December 21, 2014 10:40 AM  

Apparently you don't live in an area where there actually gangs that take over whole street blocks, prevent whites from shopping in certain areas, and will jump your ass for your shoes and cell phone.
2G, 4G, whatever.
These ignorant theories aren't gonna save your ass in the foxhole. Intellectuals produce theories from their desks; they never mix it up in the shit they create.

Anonymous Porphyry December 21, 2014 10:46 AM  

"These ignorant theories aren't gonna save your ass in the foxhole. Intellectuals produce theories from their desks; they never mix it up in the shit they create." Hell Im having fun here what do you call the invention of nuclear bombs or firearms for that matter? Blind instinct? Or do you wanna throw out morality?

Anonymous . December 21, 2014 10:49 AM  

You are totally clueless. Living in a state with a "stand your ground" law which has been upheld after 4 challenges, I can pretty much call BS on your post. The world is different than it was 20 years ago, and some of us are adapting.

You are going to run out of ammo before the ghetto runs out of black thugs, tough guy.

More importantly, you are not going to stand your ground. You are going to shit your pants and run away.

Anonymous damaged justice December 21, 2014 10:50 AM  

#lookoutwegotabadassoverhere

I always do love it when someone comes in and acts like they're the only real conservative man and everyone else is a bunch of ignorant progressive milquetoasts.

Anonymous Porphyry December 21, 2014 10:50 AM  

Its not often you get to intellectually demolish someone with Kanye West lyrics. This is priceless.

OpenID simplytimothy December 21, 2014 10:53 AM  

For those interested in a dialectical response to the common tactic of dropping a Romans 13 bomb into a comment thread (as Minimal Johnson just did), Doug Wilson does an excellent job in series of posts beginning with this one The High Need for Principled Disobedience


A quick rhetorical retort is to ask the Minimal Johnson of the day "Why the Apostle Peter let two innocent cops be murdered by Caesar rather than "submit to the lawful authorities" and return to the prison from which he had just escaped?"


The dialectic behind the rhetorical ploy is from one of the later posts in the series On the Lam For Jesus . Short take is the Apostle Peter is busted out of prison and is on the lam (did not submit to lawful authority in Minimal Johnson's view) and the 'cops' where subsequently put to death.

Here I quote the relevant excerpt.

doesn’t the Bible say that we must do whatever they say we must do — cakes, flowers, incense to Caesar, the works? Well, no (Acts 5:29).

“Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king” (1 Pet. 2:13–17).

So let’s take a look at some of the actions of the man who wrote those words — and not in order to charge him with hypocrisy.

“And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands. And the angel said unto him, Gird thyself, and bind on thy sandals. And so he did. And he saith unto him, Cast thy garment about thee, and follow me. And he went out, and followed him; and wist not that it was true which was done by the angel; but thought he saw a vision. When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel departed from him” (Acts 12:7–10).

Peter then went over to John Mark’s house, left a message, and disappeared from the book of Acts a wanted man, on the lam, with his picture in all the post offices.

This was what we might call a jailbreak, and it was not just a bit of innocent fun. The guards involved were executed for negligence they had not been guilty of (Acts 12:19), and yet, despite the seriousness of the issues, Peter did not consult with a bunch of modern Christians, who would have urgently advised that he turn himself in — citing, as they did so, with tears in their eyes, 1 Peter 2:13-17.



cheers.


Blogger Matamoros December 21, 2014 11:00 AM  

In a largely criminal society, law enforcement is exactly what you need.

If the cops were just bothering the criminals it would be okay. But for the past x number of years they have begun harassing the decent whites for b.s. traffic stops and other harassment, and that is costing them their support among the populace.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 21, 2014 11:01 AM  

MJ should use the KJV version of Romans 13. Completely different meaning.

Blogger Matamoros December 21, 2014 11:03 AM  

America is a failed state. It goes back to its foundation. Evil doesn't stand for long and it soon eats itself.

True enough. That's why the South seceded and formed its own nation. Once the occupation boot lifts a little you'll see the South clean up the problems and reclaim its sovereignty.

Blogger Matamoros December 21, 2014 11:15 AM  

America is a failed state. It goes back to its foundation. Evil doesn't stand for long and it soon eats itself.

You underestimate the black desire to wipe out whites, as in Haiti. Tyrone and his bros will rape the Kosmo's wife and daughters for a few days, and kill the Kosmo's sons. Then go look for more.

The gene pool will be cleansed of these Kosmo whites who have destroyed our civilization.

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 21, 2014 11:30 AM  

France is on the Fifth Republic. Germany in the Twencen went thru the Kaiser, the Weimar Republic, the Evil Nazis, and the Post War Occupation by Americans to keep those idiots from starting another world war. Italy....does anyone actually know how many times its gov't has collapsed?

And America, one of the older gov'ts in the world, except for Switzerland, is a failed state from the get go.

Yeah. Pull the other one.

Anonymous Rothbardian4Ever December 21, 2014 11:39 AM  

Right-winger neocons blaming protests for the Brooklyn cop killings sounds a lot like when left-wingers blamed Rush Limbaugh for Timothy McVeigh.

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 21, 2014 11:40 AM  

But to stay on topic...
1. Max is right that ...
A. A LOT of the white and civilized populace won't help.
B. Libertarians are in general not that great combatants. I do not insult those here, but as a general rule, tarians are not the guys you want at your back. Conservatives, rednecks, southrons, yes, libertarians, no.
There are exceptions, of course.
C. Libertarians are along with Baptists, about the most schismatic group out there. Telling them to organize is like telling the Baptists to run a pogrom. Can't be done.

One advantage is that most of the local thugs will tend to have .22 Ravens and be able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside the barn, but not much more.

A more realistic version of Lind's book has the civilized populace of the Northeast being ethnic cleansed, and hopping in their cars, and heading South for safety. Once there, they demand to be allowed to take over, because votes.

Anonymous Noah B. December 21, 2014 11:42 AM  

@jla

Sounds like quite an ordeal your family has been through. The timestamps included in the metadata from the police photos also sound quite suspicious.

I'm a land surveyor among other things and I may be able to shed some light on what is going on with the discrepancies in the coordinates collected by the accident investigators. The magnitudes of the error you describe give me the impression that the accident site survey was probably done at two different times, that GPS-based surveying equipment was used, and that the accident scene surveyor didn't use any GPS-augmentation techniques like RTK (real time kinematic) correction or a local base station. As an explanation, civilian GPS by itself isn't all that accurate. Usually about the best you can expect is a horizontal positional uncertainty of 20-30 feet and a vertical uncertainty of several feet. Also, the error in a GPS signal changes somewhat slowly. But, if you have a GPS receiver that occupies a particular position for a long time (often several hours or more) and averages the GPS signals it receives, then it can determine its position to vertical and horizontal accuracy of about an inch. That's essentially what a GPS base station is. When someone using GPS on a pole (often referred to as a rover) also has a base station nearby, the base station can tell the rover how much error there is in the GPS signal at any given moment. RTK is simply a service that people can subscribe to that provides corrections from a base station nearby. Someone not very skilled in collecting GPS-based surveys could easily skip the all-important step of using a base station, especially if they're not used to anyone questioning their evidence. If that does turn out to be the case, then your son's attorney might have a good argument that the scene survey is all but useless.

Another possible explanation for the discrepancy would be that two surveyors used two different coordinate systems to collect data.

Let me know if you'd like to discuss this further.

Anonymous Noah B. December 21, 2014 12:15 PM  

We're already seeing cops getting sick of being expected to enforce draconian laws, while the politicians who ask for those laws to be enforced refuse to support cops when they're counterattacked. Instead of quitting outright, they will probably just begin filing for disability, refusing to report for duty, and milking the system in any way they can. In de Blasio's case, he's either going to take a hard turn to the right, or he is finished. Urban blacks aren't upset about what the right has done to them. They're upset about the consequences of laws enacted by left wing politicians that they themselves voted for, although most of them don't realize it and probably never will.

Anonymous jla December 21, 2014 12:48 PM  

Noah B.

Thank you for your reply. Yes, the meta data had to be alter. They were likely taken an hour later and he didn't want to explain why it took him so long to get there. I believe minutes and seconds weren't change as this would get tedious and time consuming.

I actually think their figures are pretty accurate, yet he somehow screw up his reference point. Everything hinges on that. If you move the rp 60 feet or so south and a few feet west and a foot and a half down the ditch all other things start to make sense.

I do have question you might be able to help with. After setting up his rp the next thing he did was what he tag an rm. This was done from about 230 feet east and 94 feet north on the highway leading to the accident. It is also the last thing he did from within inches of the same spot and tag it rm2. I'm sure it was important for some reason, but had nothing to do with the scene. Any Ideas?

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 12:54 PM  

I wouldn't put it past some of the cops in NYC to frag their general.

Anonymous jla December 21, 2014 1:02 PM  

This is a partial sample of the data with the afore mentioned rp and rm. The others are resting positions of the tires of both vehicles. And yes, my son apparently had two right front tires.

1 X: 0.000 Y: 0.000 Z: 0.000 D: RP
99 X: 229.036 Y: 93.853 Z: 3.500 D: RM
100 X: -1.016 Y: -36.098 Z: -3.834 D: RR
101 X: -4.518 Y: -46.189 Z: -5.415 D: RF
102 X: 3.032 Y: -48.524 Z: -4.899 D: LF
103 X: 5.752 Y: -38.486 Z: -3.215 D: RF
104 X: 43.390 Y: -264.980 Z: -15.423 D: LR
105 X: 46.524 Y: -274.392 Z:-15.301 D: LF
106 X: 40.515 Y: -275.823 Z: -16.197 D: RF
107 X: 37.271 Y: -267.447 Z: -16.166 D: RR

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 1:04 PM  

"If you like your 4G warfare, you can KEEP your 4G warfare."

On a serious note, Im disappointed no one amongst the ilk has lampooned the name of the shooter's gang, "The Black Guerrilla Family". Its up to 140 posts already, and no one, not one has had fun with it. Is it too easy? Most of the ilk have a quicker wit than I so I'll continue to patiently wait.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 1:05 PM  

Noah, we are seeing the same issues. The lack of involvement and distance is present unless its serious.

I dont' have tv, has the American news gone wall to wall coverage on every propagandist news channel?

Anonymous Jack Amok December 21, 2014 1:07 PM  

I always do love it when someone comes in and acts like they're the only real conservative man and everyone else is a bunch of ignorant progressive milquetoasts.

I usually assume they are just liberal trolls pretending to be what they imagine a conservative is.


If the cops were just bothering the criminals it would be okay. But for the past x number of years they have begun harassing the decent whites for b.s. traffic stops and other harassment, and that is costing them their support among the populace.

Bingo. As someone else already noted, they're become more like the old shire reeves who's main job is extracting tax revenue for the local lord of the manner instead of the Peace Officer protecting his fellow citizens from criminals.

We're already seeing cops getting sick of being expected to enforce draconian laws, while the politicians who ask for those laws to be enforced refuse to support cops when they're counterattacked. Instead of quitting outright, they will probably just begin filing for disability, refusing to report for duty, and milking the system in any way they can.

4GW right there.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 1:07 PM  

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Anonymous Too-Soon Ami December 21, 2014 1:10 PM  

Kelfa23, were you hoping for something like "The Black Nigger Fambly"? "The Black Guerrilla Group Who Live With Granma Because Momma Be In Jail And Dont Nobody Know Who Daddy Is"?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 21, 2014 1:11 PM  

From what I saw online the two killed are of non Caucasian decent?

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 1:15 PM  

Kelfa23, were you hoping for something like "The Black Nigger Fambly"? "The Black Guerrilla Group Who Live With Granma Because Momma Be In Jail And Dont Nobody Know Who Daddy Is"?



I was hoping for something less crude, perhaps a story with a mountain gorilla family thats escaped the local zoo. Thats the juvenile image that popped in my head when I heard the name of the gang. I thought of a plot for a new disney movie. its the gorilla version of "far away home" or something like that

Anonymous Too-Soon Ami December 21, 2014 1:54 PM  

Equating blacks with gorillas??? That is racism, sir: a thing we just do not tolerate around here.

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 2:05 PM  

Im not the one who got the idea to call myself a "guerrilla"/ Im just noting the lack of imagination on their part. When you're a parent and you pick a name for your child, you try to imagine ways the name can be used to make fun of the child so you can avoid it. The BGF didn't go through that process obviously. I would have picked something like , the Nubian Militia or something.

Blogger David December 21, 2014 2:05 PM  

Gasoline is a very effective weapon. When you don't see violence it's not for lack of means, it's for lack of desire.

Enjoy the peace while it holds.

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 2:07 PM  

Nubian Knights has a better ring to it,

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 2:09 PM  

Does anyone have stats on armed assaults on officers?

Line of Duty Deaths: 108 + 2

Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 24
Drowned: 1
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 43
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 15
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 3
Vehicle pursuit: 4 <— Come on. Vehicle accident!
Vehicular assault: 10

On the other side: http://tinyurl.com/oehc9qw

Blogger Chris Mallory December 21, 2014 2:17 PM  

"You are going to run out of ammo before the ghetto runs out of black thugs, tough guy."


The county I live in has 8,000 blacks out of a population of 65,000. I have at least 10,000 rounds in my gun room plus enough firearms to arm a light platoon. I am not worried about the ghetto thugs.

Blogger David December 21, 2014 2:19 PM  

Today is not tomorrow.

Fear, when fully released is white hot and overwhelms reason.

Should the "dark-skinned people are an existential threat to me" narrative gain full currency among whites & Asians, it's not difficult to imagine a full-out Hutu-Tutti level depopulation program occurring over an astonishingly brief time.

Such a spasm of slaughter of guilty & innocent alike simply requires a few missing ingredients (a full out economic depression is yet missing) but could spontaneously arise given the ingredients already present.

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 2:21 PM  

By the way, whatever the ideological reed blowing in the wind of the shooter, stepping back and taking a unpersonalized look at it, this was a blow to the institutionalized growing police state, not the 2 cops themselves.

Blogger Col. B. Bunny December 21, 2014 2:24 PM  

I don't think the police have lost their moral authority. I think evil scum elect to live outside civil society and embrace riot, rape, subversion, theft, lies, and murder.

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 2:26 PM  

…Anyone who came up with the name for BGF has being picked on coming to them in Spades

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 2:26 PM  

The county I live in has 8,000 blacks out of a population of 65,000. I have at least 10,000 rounds in my gun room plus enough firearms to arm a light platoon. I am not worried about the ghetto thugs.

I'll just throw Molotov Cocktails at your house. You will not stand and win locked up in your home.

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 2:33 PM  

I don't think the police have lost their moral authority.

This is the series of events:

SWAT kicks in door, launches stun grenade into bathroom

Storms into bathroom

Naked Chad’s hands are up so they shoot him with a 40 millimeter non-lethal round

Launch second stun grenade

Lights are out, four or five guys behind a shield pin Chad against the wall and “beat the crap out of” him

Officers shoot him in the back of the head with a Taser, point blank range

Grabbed him by one hand and grabbed him by testicles and slammed his face to the floor

Beat him some more

They claimed he had “drew down with a shampoo bottle and a body wash bottle.”


http://tinyurl.com/mdaem8d

More: http://tinyurl.com/lc9hdxu

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 21, 2014 2:38 PM  

He obviously had concealed a ghost rifle in the shampoo bottle.

Anonymous Noah B. December 21, 2014 2:50 PM  

"I dont' have tv, has the American news gone wall to wall coverage on every propagandist news channel?"

I don't have TV either, just internet.

@jla

In this context, "rm" probably means "reference mark" or "reference monument." That's probably a feature like an X cut in concrete, an iron rod set or found, or something else that can be readily located with certainty. The reason for taking a shot on something like that at the beginning and end of a survey is to indicate that your equipment has not been disturbed throughout the surveying process and/or is providing consistent coordinate information. It could also be used in a loop-closing procedure, again, to indicate that measurements have been made with reasonable accuracy.

I don't want to clutter up the blog by going into tons of detail about this, but if you want to discuss more please email me at vannostrand336 at yahoo dot com.

Anonymous . December 21, 2014 3:37 PM  

The county I live in has 8,000 blacks out of a population of 65,000.

Number of black wolves >>> number of white sheep.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 3:45 PM  

There's another reason why occupying army style policing makes sense: Peel style policing increasingly doesn't work in relation to blacks because of specific practices:
* Political pressure to reduce arrests
* Black "Bronx juries" that won't convict
* Witness intimidation
* Non-reporting of crimes because "snitches get stitches"
* "Slow walk" courts
* Pervasive official and popular assumption of white racism vs. blacks.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 21, 2014 3:50 PM  

Lind, On War.

(snip)
This is not to say that the lone gunman phenomenon, and its increasing frequency, are wholly unrelated to 4th Generation war. They have some common origins, I think.
(snip)
Isolation and the alienation, anomie and rage that proceed from it fuel both lone gunmen and a broad sense of detachment from the state. Why give loyalty to the state if the society if governs offers nothing but alienation? In turn, alternatives to the state, such as gangs, offer alternatives to isolation as well.
(snip)

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 21, 2014 4:04 PM  

I kinda of agree with Matamoros in both of his comments. Especially, that the blacks will want to recreate their Haiti massacre. The Liberals and the race hustlers are building up the emotions something fierce.

I stand by the statement of America as a failed State. Fifty years after its founding--it had a Civil War that encompassed the whole country. And then lasted as 4GW through the 1960s. Now the tables are turned and the Left has been engaging in 4GW since the 60s.

A civil war is what calls into account the foundation and ideology and set up of America. Good states don't have rebellions. The Bavarian Monarchy lasted 800 years.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 4:21 PM  

Another, this time it was a Hispanic doing the deed.

Anonymous JI December 21, 2014 4:21 PM  

If the police disarmed as Vox suggests, I worry about the vibrants. In Eric Raymond's words, the US is Switzerland and Swaziland, and, although I think Switzerland would be better off with disarmed police, Swaziland might be horrifically worse.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 21, 2014 5:05 PM  

"I'll just throw Molotov Cocktails at your house. You will not stand and win locked up in your home."

After you get past the dogs and the security system and make it close enough across the cleared field of fire, sure you might toss a cocktail. But you will catch a bullet or 3.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 21, 2014 5:08 PM  

"The county I live in has 8,000 blacks out of a population of 65,000.

Number of black wolves >>> number of white sheep."


Is your husband black? Doubtful you are a man, since you don't have the guts to post under your name.

Anonymous Corvinus December 21, 2014 6:05 PM  

If the police disarmed as Vox suggests, I worry about the vibrants. In Eric Raymond's words, the US is Switzerland and Swaziland, and, although I think Switzerland would be better off with disarmed police, Swaziland might be horrifically worse.

@JI
Look on the bright side. The most likely scenario is the vibrants will end up killing each other off, and take out a bunch of pro-gun-control liberal whites while they're at it.

Blogger Kelfa23 December 21, 2014 6:21 PM  

"Number of black wolves >>> number of white sheep."

"God is not on the side of the biggest battalions, but on the side of the best marksmen"

Voltaire

Anonymous daddynichol December 21, 2014 6:36 PM  

"Number of black wolves >>> number of white sheep."

Are you saying all 8,000 blacks are savage killers? You're a racist, too! Or stupid. Or both.

Anonymous paradox December 21, 2014 6:54 PM  

You're an idiot... period. I'm the furthest thing from a libertarian, and the thin line of bacon can reap the hell they sowed.

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 7:05 PM  

After you get past the dogs and the security system and make it close enough across the cleared field of fire, sure you might toss a cocktail. But you will catch a bullet or 3.

Well, I am sure you got it all figured out. Good luck. And uh, "you"? How about, us?

Anonymous Hazel-Jeu December 21, 2014 7:35 PM  

It's notable the the blogger who wrote this post couldn't find the time to condemn the murders. I believe he, like many others commenting here are happy the murders occurred.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 7:42 PM  

LP 999/Eliza: "From what I saw online the two killed are of non Caucasian decent?"

That's correct.

Anonymous liljoe December 21, 2014 7:47 PM  

I believe he, like many others commenting here are happy the murders occurred.

obviously not speaking for the author,however, i sincerely doubt that he or his many readers are "happy" as a result. More like affirmation that bad police behavior going unaccounted for, even rewarded, and the disrespect and naked contempt for the public shown by modern police, is not without consequences.

the hero worship cult in the U.S.A. may still be infecting a large percentage of the populace, just not so much here.

Anonymous daddynichol December 21, 2014 7:58 PM  

Hazel-Jeu,
I take that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I'm not happy about the murders, just not surprised.

Anonymous Bob Sacamano December 21, 2014 8:00 PM  

"This is just the latest in the Black intifada against "White Priviledge"."

A vibrant shot his former girlfriend, made his way to NYC, took out two cops, and then offed himself. 187's in Brooklyn. Case closed.


"Look on the bright side. The most likely scenario is the vibrants will end up killing each other off, and take out a bunch of pro-gun-control liberal whites while they're at it."

That's the Christmas spirit, fake Christian.

Blogger Shibes Meadow December 21, 2014 8:06 PM  

In Tarrant County, Texas, where I live, there are about two million people all told. Of those two million, 1,514,000 are White. All the rest put together -- blacks, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Tongans, and Vulcans -- total 486,000 souls. That makes the odds 3:1 in favor of Whitey. Or, to put it another way, even if every non-White in Tarrant County shows up for the Race War (they won't), and even if two out of every three Whites in Tarrant County decide to sit the Race War out (they won't), it'll be equal odds on the battlefield. I'll take that action any day.

Curtis: I own a Remington 721 centerfire rifle, probably the most accurate bolt-action civilian firearm ever built in America. With that weapon even a bad shot can drop a buck at two hundred yards, or about 600 feet. I happen to be a decent shot.

Now the question a hypothetical potential Molotov-thrower has to ask himself is: what are the odds of me getting close enough to Shibes' home to throw my bomb before he puts a 130-grain Winchester Super-X .270 slug through my head at 3000 fps?

Again: I'll take those odds.

In closing: threatening ignorant White people on the Internet is a poor use of one's time. Many of us are the the type that don't call 911 until after the emergency is over. Verb. sap.

P.S.: Better bring more than one Molotov. I have this thing called a "fire extinguisher", see...

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 8:17 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler: "The Liberals and the race hustlers are building up the emotions something fierce."

Right. The propaganda from Hollywood has changed tone. Undermining whites is passe; now it's Machete, Django and Inglourious Basterds.

It's like ramping up the "fight" chemicals of an ant-hive.

The lords of Hollywood have an aggressive temperament. They don't think on how they could live in peace forever with American whites, though that would be an option for a less aggressive race. They don't even think "slow and steady does the job" any more. The browning of America has them excited, and they want to go to the maximum state of aggression.

W.LindsayWheeler: "I kinda of agree with Matamoros in both of his comments. Especially, that the blacks will want to recreate their Haiti massacre."

They will, if allowed, and the people that run the entertainment mass media, the news mass media and academia are allowing for all they are worth.

And it's true that the people instigating this have a great memory for history.

But it's not blacks that have that historic memory. They just have a nature. The programming is supplied by others, mostly.

(I say "mostly" out of respect for Minister Louis Farrakhan, who is a self-starter in the w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned programming business.)

OpenID bernardbrandt December 21, 2014 8:33 PM  

I would invite the discerning reader to examine two texts:

William S. Lind's "On War" archive, which can be found here:

http://www.dnipogo.org/lind/lind_archive.htm

And second, a text which Lind himself has found of value, produced by the NYPD:

http://www.nypdshield.org/public/SiteFiles/documents/NYPD_Report-Radicalization_in_the_West.pdf

Crucial to both are the NYPD Report, which has examined a number of radical groups and their activities, and has found four stages of action common to both:

Stage 1 : Pre-radicalization: the state of the average 'shmoe" befire he decides to take action.

Stage 2 : Self-radicalization: the point at which said "shmoe" gets pissed off enough to start taking action

Stage 3 : Indoctrination: the process by which said "schmo" decides to take action, and figures out what, how, and with whom he does so

Stage 4 : Jihadization: the stage at which the "schmo" decides to go on the warpath.

This process of 4GW, in which average people become the "Boston Marathon Bombers" and others, can also be used to explain how people can get pissed off enough to take action themselves.

As regards the NYPD police killings, I suspect that we are now at Stage II: people pissed off enough to take action individually, but otherwise clueless. But when we start seeing (or seeing the results of) people deciding to take action together, and telling others how to do so, then we will have reached Stage III, at which the stuff will well and truly have hit the fan.

Of course, a corollary to that is that average citizens will start getting pissed at the anarcho-tyranny that they are experiencing, and will begin to take responsive action.

At that point, all bets are off.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber December 21, 2014 8:34 PM  

Another thing is high velocity wounds. Pistol rounds don't cause such catastrophic damage. Ya'll need to remember there ain't no Geneva convention out here. A .270 wound in the torso is probably fatal without medical care. Oh yeah, that's right.....Thugs don't plan like old white men. If you suspect body armor, shoot them in the upper thigh towards the groin. You are looking for the femoral artery. Anyways, if it's good enough for a 12 point buck, well, it's certainly good enough for Tyrone and his crew. Just remember, thugs believe that you can take cover behind a car. Hey, that's what Hollywood has taught these malcreants. Remember, if the gangs get organized, the honchos are gonna be wearing top of the line armor. You just have to let them bleed out. Kinda like hunting feral pigs.....you need to wait to let the bullet do its job. As for the police, well, when they started making money thru confiscations, they sold their souls in that deal. I like the idea of a decent, honest cop. But when they can seize your house and sell it with no recourse, then things have gone too far.

Anonymous Too-Soon Ami December 21, 2014 9:22 PM  

"But when they can seize your house and sell it with no recourse, then things have gone too far."

If they seize your house and sell it with no recourse, then things have not yet gone far enough. The recourse is still to be had.


Titus, could you drop a link to your wiki glossary page, or at least tell me what is the-thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned? Thanks.

Blogger Shibes Meadow December 21, 2014 9:31 PM  

The genius of White people. Not a black face in the bunch!

Blogger Cail Corishev December 21, 2014 10:30 PM  

Otherwise, doesn't it make sense to have black police in black areas?

There was a push for that some years ago, but it didn't last long, being obviously racist. Black cops don't want to work in the most violent neighborhoods any more than anyone else does, so it's racist to force them to while white cops patrol the suburbs and country clubs. On the other end, blacks see a bunch of black cops in their neighborhood and, assuming they're beneficiaries of quotas and affirmative action, complain that racist whites are keeping the most qualified cops to themselves.

So segregating the cops is a non-starter. The only way you could do it would be by getting rid of city-wide police departments altogether, which would be a good thing anyway. Don't have an NYPD at all, except as a small office to handle communications between smaller departments. Then divide the city up into townships or whatever, fairly homogeneous areas of a few thousand people each, and let them hire their own cops (or not). If a violent community can't get anyone to take the job, well, its neighbors will soon learn the value of strong fences.

But that won't be possible until everything falls apart.

Anonymous jc nra December 21, 2014 10:40 PM  

What he said.

I'll add: If one, or several, attacker(s) commit a home invasion - defend the home.

If there's mob action and unrest - you grab a couple of buddies and start stacking bodies at the entrance of your neighborhood. You don't wait for them to burn you out of your own home.

Anonymous Curtis December 21, 2014 10:45 PM  

Oh gawd. I really do not care what kind of firearm you have, or how proficient you are with it bench resting or hunting the occasional critters. You better have some tactical training. And that means something beyond the square range. Because, if you are only good at punching paper, or an occasional critter, the odds are not in your favor. Ah. You thought I was just going to mosey on up to you house, Molotov in hand, light it, and throw it. Another super sniper. Good luck in your future endeavors. For all you know, I might be waiting out there for you to come out of the house you're hold up in. Will you be doing perimeter patrols? Short - Long Range? Will it be just you and your family? Maybe a few Bubba hunting buddies? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to mock you, or belittle you. But like I said, if that is all you have, your Remington 721 centerfire rifle with a 130-grain Winchester Super-X .270 slug barreling down the barrel, good luck. Let's hope a few tactical guys aren't peeling left, right, advancing throwing 7.62 NATO 168/175gr back at ya. Hell, 147gr for that matter. Anyhow, good luck.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 10:52 PM  

Irrelevant Time Magazine claimed in 2010 that right-wing nutjobs were the biggest threat to cops.

Blogger Shibes Meadow December 21, 2014 10:54 PM  

Curtis: I don't need luck.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 11:07 PM  

Too-Soon Ami: "Titus, could you drop a link to your wiki glossary page, or at least tell me what is the-thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned? Thanks."

I don't have or need a wiki glossary page, as I prefer simplicity and lucidity to bizarre private language (like mysteriously capitalized "Supremacy"), except under compulsion on this blog.

I am under Vox's orders, which I follow, not to say what I mean on a vital topic, hence thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned, which is the w-word followed by the g-word.

It's a don't-mention-the-war deal, which I respect because Vox's blog, Vox's rules.

However, while the war cannot be mentioned, it seems to be alright to mention the v-weapons landing on London, German and Soviet troop movements, the fate of the Bismark and so on. Just not (directly and plainly) that these odd social trends occur in a context, and the pattern of that context affects how one might see the future, rendering some things significant and others irrelevant.

For example, songs such as Shoot The Boer and Kill All The White Man are singing about something, and it's quite all right to quote the lyrics, which leave no doubt what it is. What is it? If I am speaking, it is w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned. (Say! No! More!)

Naturally I would necessarily decline any invitation to discuss that further.

Really it's two topics rather than one as there are things I think about Jews (many flattering, some not so) which I do not say, because that was the topic that set our host off.

Again, that's fine by me. But don't take what I say here as accurately reflecting my opinions on Jews. My actual opinions of Jews are more admiring but less salient. Oddly reversing the usual taboos, Vox accepts criticisms of Jews. And they are up to their eyeballs in w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned. So from time to time when I want to say something hits the taboo topic at an interesting angle, I'll point instead only at the Jewish aspect of the issue. That passes. (So far.) Naturally these references taken in total are unflattering. You might think from my remarks I spend a lot of time thinking about Jews and how naughty they are. I don't, but this is how the Vox Popoli filter works.

I also have, on this blog and only on this blog, a definition of "white" which I never use. I explained extensively why I think it is not appropriate to fix a racial definition of "white" in the present state of our scientific knowledge. Vox required me to commit to one anyway, on pain of being banned, so I am firmly committed to a certain definition of racial whiteness on this blog and only on this blog, regardless of the fact that I regard it as erroneous. But not here! Here I'm firmly for it. I truly do believe. It's only everywhere else that I think it's false.

Such are the ways of our host. (Shrug.)

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 11:07 PM  

Hell, Curtis. You talk the good talk!

Anonymous Judge Dredd December 21, 2014 11:09 PM  

Curtis the fake negro wants you to believe them darkies got a plan. Nope. Try again fag. They just look for targets of opportunity and swarm anywhere there are big screen and basketball shoes. Drop a pair of Jordans on the sidewalk and you can build a wall of bodies in front of your house.
Set a perimeter where they can't flank and these dummies will run right into your line of fire, and when enough bodies hit the ground they'll run into each other trying to break and run.
No strategy is needed. Try to isolate the darkies from food and push them towards liquor. believe me they're dumb enough to get liquored up in the middle of battle, then its just a turkey shoot with turkeys who can't walk straight.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 11:20 PM  

Cail Corishev: "But that won't be possible until everything falls apart."

Right. There's a lot of things like that: quirky and arbitrary-looking, but when you consider the forces holding them in place, as stable as a keystone.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 21, 2014 11:22 PM  

Shibes Meadow: "The genius of White people."

Beautiful to see.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 21, 2014 11:54 PM  

Kalashnikov has some new stuff.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 22, 2014 12:05 AM  

The other skeptic: "Kalashnikov has some new stuff."

Also good news.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 22, 2014 12:10 AM  

The other skeptic: "Irrelevant Time Magazine claimed in 2010 that right-wing nutjobs were the biggest threat to cops."

As usual it's an inversion of the truth. Cops in occupying army mode are the biggest threat to white people organizing and defending themselves against threats that cops acknowledge no duty to defend them from.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 22, 2014 12:24 AM  

The other skeptic: "Kalashnikov has some new stuff."

Also good news.


And it seems that the AK-12 is available in 6.5mm Grendel and with a grenade launcher.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 22, 2014 12:29 AM  

"What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want 'em? Now!"

Less than a minute on YouTube, so why not watch and listen as the mob makes its feeling clear?

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