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Monday, December 29, 2014

A portrait in lunacy

Considering that NFL head coach is one of the most difficult positions to successful fill anywhere in the world, it's simply mind-blowing that what passes for the 49ers brain trust decided to get rid of Jim Harbaugh:
As expected, the Jim Harbaugh era has ended in San Francisco. The team has announced that Harbaugh and the franchise have mutually agreed to part ways after four years together.

“Jim and I have come to the conclusion that it is in our mutual best interest to move in different directions,” CEO Jed York said.  “We thank Jim for bringing a tremendous competitive nature and a great passion for the game to the 49ers.  He and his staff restored a winning culture that has been the standard for our franchise throughout its history.  Their commitment and hard work resulted in a period of success that should be looked back on proudly by our organization and our fans.  We wish Jim and his family all the best.”

Per a league source, the mutual parting makes Harbaugh free and clear to take any other job, including another NFL job, with no compensation to the 49ers.  So despite multiple, persistent reports that Harbaugh would be traded, the two sides ultimately decided to walk away, with no strings attached and no further obligation. 
However, it is an eloquent lesson on the way in which the bureaucratic elements of an organization always prioritize submission over all else, including both talent and performance. Keep this in mind if you think you're safe in your workplace simply because you do a better job than your co-workers.

If you don't kowtow to whatever regime controls your organization, they will do their damndest to run you out, no matter what the cost to the organization. This may seem irrational, but actually, it is your assumptions that are incorrect. They don't care what happens to the organization, at least, not as much as they do about controlling it in an unchallenged capacity.

Most of the 49ers fans I know are in despair over this; one is even considering changing his allegiance to the Oakland Raiders. And frankly, I can't blame him, considering that the York ownership is shaping up to be even more disastrous in the long term than the Snyder ownership in Washington.

On a tangential note, I'm sorry to see the Marc Trestman era come to an end in Chicago, as he's the friend of a friend. But unlike the San Francisco situation, it's impossible to question that decision. Trestman's failure with the Bears is proof that sometimes, intelligence and hard work simply isn't sufficient for success.

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Anonymous realmatt December 29, 2014 6:28 AM  

Hmm how ironic for me to read while im sitting in a diner contemplating my next move, sick of babysitting men old enough to be my father. Who knew putting pipes together could be as complicated as brain surgery?

Im wasting my life.

Anonymous realmatt December 29, 2014 6:34 AM  

And now I find a hair on my plate.

Anonymous takin' a look December 29, 2014 6:44 AM  

I don't follow sports, so I looked up the wiki article on this fellow and yes, it doesn't make sense. Did he say something un-PC or what? Why would you axe the golden goose?

Anonymous DrTorch December 29, 2014 6:44 AM  

Harbaugh is a head case who has contributed to the team's decline.

As an Ohioan who hates UMich, I'm delighted at the thought of him returning to his alma mater.

Anonymous takin' a look December 29, 2014 6:49 AM  

You aren't from Toledo are you DrTorch?

Anonymous Michguy December 29, 2014 6:49 AM  

This move seems so dumb for SF, that I have to ask if there was money or pressure behind the scenes from Ann Arbor to make this happen.

Blogger J Curtis December 29, 2014 7:05 AM  

Can't say I totally agree with Rex Ryan's firing. In all fairness the guy didn't have much to work with. Geno Smith, anyone?

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:16 AM  

"Harbaugh is a head case who has contributed to the team's decline."

This is ridiculous. Harbaugh took over a team that hadn't been relevant in over a decade. He took that team to 3 AFC championship games in a row. He gave the team an identity.

The 49rs would still be in the same boat with Tampa Bay and the Titans if it wasn't for Harbaugh.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:18 AM  

And...

I'm not saying he is not going to end up at michigan. But Chicago is going to throw a boat load of money at him. And so are the Jets. And there will probably be 2 or 3 other teams that do the same.

Maybe he is an idiot and takes the michigan job.

I doubt it though.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben December 29, 2014 7:29 AM  

This is a horrible decision. You're getting rid of a coach for one bad season? It's not Jim's fault that kapernick's novelty as another running QB is dead. How many seasons did Rex Ryan get before he was fired after almost bringing the Jets into the SB twice in a row?

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:55 AM  

I don't think its anything about Kap's novelty wearing off... I think Harbaugh put more of the offense in his hands and he just isn't capable of handling it. He is like Wilson in Seattle. Each of them can improvise... but neither can produce play after play after play when they are the focus of the offense.

Blogger J Curtis December 29, 2014 7:57 AM  

Maybe he is an idiot and takes the michigan job

I think it would be a great career move for Harbaugh to take the Michigan job. The program has been knocked down a peg or two from the national prominence it enjoyed for so many decades and Harbaugh could be just the man to lead them back. Heck, he's enjoyed success on multiple levels in the past, so why not?

Anonymous p-dawg December 29, 2014 8:05 AM  

As a Bears fan, I'd be ok with seeing Harbaugh land in Chicago. However, I'm finding it tougher and tougher to wade through the PC, SJW crap and pay attention to the games. I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to even be able to care.

Anonymous MrGreenMan December 29, 2014 8:06 AM  

There is effectively no limit on the money from the Wolverine alumni, since the thinking is it would get them back to consistent bowl eligibility and beating Ohio State or Michigan State once in a while.

Anonymous zen0 December 29, 2014 8:10 AM  

Sounds like he and the owner were both control enthusiasts. The owner just had to wait for a less than thrilling season to make the move.'

According to one report. Harbaugh was less than enthusiastic about the way players were handled that got in trouble with law enforcement. Thinks he would have more control in a college situation.

Blogger Michael Maier December 29, 2014 8:11 AM  

Let's count the NFL's blessings.

One: at least the helmets keep the fags from blowing in other players' ears.

Anonymous Stilicho December 29, 2014 8:13 AM  

OT-- over at western rifle shooters there's a link to a story about a chick NCO "calling out" some soldiers online about their "sexist" thoughts. It appears that they laughed and mocked her brand of sjw rabbiting so she cried to her emasculated superiors and got an Army Commendation Medal for her "bravery". I'm thinking that Round 2 is going to have a very different outcome.

Blogger sysadmn December 29, 2014 8:21 AM  

See also "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy": In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 8:25 AM  


"I think it would be a great career move for Harbaugh to take the Michigan job. The program has been knocked down a peg or two from the national prominence it enjoyed for so many decades and Harbaugh could be just the man to lead them back"

No fans are as delusional as Big1G fans.

The fact that meeeechigan was once good is irrelevant. There are structural limitations on the success that program will have from now on. Its not impossible for them to win a national title... but it is much much harder than it was 20 years ago... and every year it gets harder.

That's because the majority of the per capita talent is in the south. And kids in the south ain't interested.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 8:29 AM  

I'm sorry I just don't get it. Michigan couldn't hire Duke's coach. Why would anyone think it could compete with NFL teams then?

Anonymous zen0 December 29, 2014 8:32 AM  

> See also "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy

And that is the root of BigGov.com

Anonymous P_R December 29, 2014 8:37 AM  

"However, it is an eloquent lesson on the way in which the bureaucratic elements of an organization always prioritize submission over all else, including both talent and performance. Keep this in mind if you think you're safe in your workplace simply because you do a better job than your co-workers.

If you don't kowtow to whatever regime controls your organization, they will do their damndest to run you out, no matter what the cost to the organization. "

I tested this and found it to be true. If you call attention the system's stupid policies, then be prepared to find new work. But I think it's important to occasionally point out when the emperor lacks clothes - not only for the sake of the emperor, but also for the sake of your own sanity. It's seems like a sort of brain washing where they want everyone to say that two plus two is five even though nobody believes it. I think you've got to speak the truth just to keep them from gaining control over your mind and spirit...and let the cards fall where they may.

Blogger J Curtis December 29, 2014 8:48 AM  

Its not impossible for them to win a national title... but it is much much harder than it was 20 years ago

I don't doubt this at all, especially with other programs rising in prominence.

Generally speaking, I think there's a bit more patience for results and job security in the NCAA than in the NFL and perhaps Harbaugh is taking that into account. At this stage in his career, it's nice to have a designated sock drawer at home and not have to worry about where he'll be the following season. Harbaugh is well liked by fans/alumni and would probably get the benefit of the doubt when other coaches wouldn't. We'll see. Cheers.

Via Marcellus Wiley "Michigan fans, go to the Basketball game on Tuesday and make sure you stay in your seats for halftime...It will be well worth it!" Link

OpenID cailcorishev December 29, 2014 8:55 AM  

Most of the 49ers fans I know are in despair over this; one is even considering changing his allegiance to the Oakland Raiders.

So he looked around the league for a team with less history of irrational, emotional, personnel decisions, and picked....the Raiders? The grief must have driven him mad.

As a casual viewer, this does seem inexplicable. So he doesn't get along with management -- is any NFL head coach easy to get along with? I thought they were all prickly, obsessive megalomaniacs, and that was just part of the job description. The funniest thing was hearing the analysts talk about whether other teams would be interested in him, as if there were any doubt about that. Some teams have BAD coaches.

Blogger Tank December 29, 2014 9:09 AM  

Seems clear that the 49ers thing is about personality conflicts, not really a football decision. He could have a great future in Mich. If he turns that program around (and why not?), he'll be a hero forever, they'll give him whatever he wants, and anyone who stands in the way will be jettisoned. Of course, he'll have to live in Michigan (take no offense, just noting it's WAY different than Stanford or the 49ers land).

Here in NJ, we're waiting to see how the Depths of Despair in Jetland and Giantville shake out. My thought, they both need better players more than new coaches.

Blogger Tank December 29, 2014 9:10 AM  

Hey, belated congrats to Nate who deserves some enjoyment in fantasy land, given his hometown team.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 29, 2014 9:10 AM  

The great football bubble continues to expand, with no top in sight. The NFL network proves you can condense the game down to 22 minutes of airtime with the show "Rewind" , but people don't care that it is mostly air time for nitwit announcers doing their SJW bit and awful commercials. Still I watch, best I can think of is that American football is wargaming on a grass field.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 9:11 AM  

' If he turns that program around (and why not?),'

Because coaching college kids and coaching professional men is not the same. There is a talent gap in college that will be much larger than he dealt with on the pro level.

Michigan is never going to be able to match talent with teams like LSU and Alabama.. or FSU... or Texas. Never going to happen.

Anonymous map December 29, 2014 9:11 AM  

Does winning even matter? Isn't there some kind of hometown loyalty that exists apart from winning?

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 9:14 AM  

"Hey, belated congrats to Nate who deserves some enjoyment in fantasy land, given his hometown team."

So frustrating dude. I watch Andy Reid change his whole offensive philosophy to fit the players he has... and he wins with them.... and this dipshit coach the Titans have... he will sit there and watch QB after QB get murdered on the field because he's to inflexible to keep a back in there to help pass protect.

Anonymous physics geek December 29, 2014 9:14 AM  

I had heard that Harbaugh would likely be fired several weeks ago and I tried to reason it out:

1) Team sucked before he arrived
2) He took the talent he was handed and made it a playoff team.
3) He showed that Alex Smith could be an NFL starting QB
4) He guided the 49ers to three consecutive NFC championship games and was a few yards away from a Superbowl championship
5) He had one down year, so obviously he needed to be let go

After thinking it through, I came to the conclusion that Harbaugh had been caught banging the owner's wife. Really good coaches are not easy to find. Just look around at the large number of poorly coached teams in the league. I say this as a long suffering fan of the Miami Dolphins.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 9:15 AM  

"Does winning even matter? Isn't there some kind of hometown loyalty that exists apart from winning? "

do you keep buying a bad product out of loyalty?

Anonymous Anarchopurplism December 29, 2014 9:17 AM  

Before Harbaugh landed in San Fran, he had 2 agents negotiating on his behalf. One was talking to NFL teams & the other was dealing with Stanford. Apparently the agent dealing with the school was not aware of what was going on.

I doubt there'd be this much hub-bub about his "dream job" at Michigan, but I would not rule out a last minute run by Chicago. Oakland only makes sense since he would not have to move his family. However, though the team has some talent, ownership there is a mess as well.

They say that college is always available for a successful coach. Although Harbaugh likely has the competitive desire to win a Superbowl like his brother, your dream job may not come around that often. Plus, the college scene caters to dominating "my way or highway" types.

I'd keep my chips on Michigan.

Anonymous physics geek December 29, 2014 9:18 AM  

Can't say I totally agree with Rex Ryan's firing. In all fairness the guy didn't have much to work with. Geno Smith, anyone?

Umm, this is the same Rex Ryan who thought that Mark Sanchez was the answer, which proved that he didn't have a clue as to what the question was.

OpenID cailcorishev December 29, 2014 9:30 AM  

Does winning even matter? Isn't there some kind of hometown loyalty that exists apart from winning?

Only up to a point, which personally I would say is the point where you feel like the team is feeding you a shit sandwich and telling you to like it. I was happy with the Chiefs through the Schottenheimer-Vermeil years, despite the lack of playoff wins. How many fans get multiple 13-3 seasons where the team is undefeated at home and/or in the division? More playoff success would have been nice, but that involves a fair bit of luck, and trying to build a "playoff winner" might have kept them out entirely.

But when they hired Herm Edwards, an obvious affirmative action hire in the Obama mold, and he came in and started mouthing meaningless pablum, it only took me a couple of predictably bad seasons to lose interest. To put it simply, I didn't believe they were trying to win anymore. I didn't switch to another team; I just stopped following football. I started again when I heard about the Andy Reid hire, and I've been impressed with him. This season was disappointing, but they're trying to win, and I honestly feel like their coach knows the game better than I do, which is nice.

I'm just hoping that the league realizes during the off-season that it's gone too far with the pinkshirt stuff. I don't know if I can take another season of NFL players shaking their heads sadly at me, saddened by my inaction over domestic abuse. I like watching the games, but I can't take much more of that garbage.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 9:41 AM  

"Umm, this is the same Rex Ryan who thought that Mark Sanchez was the answer, which proved that he didn't have a clue as to what the question was."

Rex is an above average NFL coach. He needs a strong personnel guy though.

Blogger J Curtis December 29, 2014 9:44 AM  

this is the same Rex Ryan who thought that Mark Sanchez was the answer, which proved that he didn't have a clue as to what the question was

I dunno PG. Sanchez's 14 TD to 11 INT's (over 9 games) isn't bad. I don't think he had too much to work with in recent years while in NY. His preseason was better than Foles' and there were those clamoring that he should be the starting qb.

Anonymous Ryan ATL December 29, 2014 9:47 AM  

Mike Smith out

Anonymous DrTorch December 29, 2014 9:49 AM  

"This is ridiculous. Harbaugh took over a team that hadn't been relevant in over a decade."

Yeah, and how relevant are they now? Harbaugh had the pieces handed to him, and he made things work for a while. Just like he did at Stanfraud.

But their decline, despite starting with great talent and a bus load of picks in the recent draft, demonstrates that he's one who can operate the system, not manage it. He can handle straightforward football details, but doesn't strategize or plan well. His tactics are also short-sighted and wear thin fairly quickly.

I'm no fan of the Bears or Jets either, so if they employ him that's no problem for me.

Not from Toledo. Not too far from there, but not Toledo.

Blogger JDC December 29, 2014 9:49 AM  

I have hated Harbaugh for the past three years, ever since that "rough handshake" he gave to then Lions coach Jim Schwartz (not because I like the Jambroni Schwartz mind you...), but now, as a U of M fan, I have completely changed my mind. This is all good for the Maize and Blue.

Blogger JDC December 29, 2014 9:53 AM  

Michigan is never going to be able to match talent with teams like LSU and Alabama.. or FSU... or Texas. Never going to happen.

I tend to agree, but...I plan on living a long time. I also plan on frequenting this blog until my dying breath. And if the day does come my bourbon drinking, gun-toting friend...I will not hold back. I will unleash a flurry of "Na na na na boo boo's" that will shake the very foundations of the earth.

Who knows? I mean, if a guy can walk on water and raise the dead, surely the Wolverines can, some day, match the talent in the SEC, even if for only one game. (See how I keep lowering the bar???)

Blogger Owen December 29, 2014 9:54 AM  

Andy Reid has carried a bad coach with him to KC and it has shown.

David Culley has got to be the worst position coach in the NFL.

For over a decade in Philly, they drafted WR talent in the first three rounds and none developed. Sure, there's always an argument about scouting/drafting talent, but over a decade of mediocre WR production can't go unnoticed. The only time they had WR success was when they brought in TO and TO ignored the coach.

I thought Reid was a good coach. However, he runs an offense dependent on quality receiving play and he brings along a proven loser at WR coach.

If you ask me, Andy Reid will never will a SB as long as he accept (and defends) mediocre results from a critical position in his offense.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 9:55 AM  

But their decline, despite starting with great talent and a bus load of picks in the recent draft, demonstrates that he's one who can operate the system, not manage it. He can handle straightforward football details, but doesn't strategize or plan well. His tactics are also short-sighted and wear thin fairly quickly.

They also had half their defense out this year due to injuries. And they played in the toughest division in the NFL.

Blogger JartStar December 29, 2014 9:55 AM  

The Texans went from 2-14 to 9-7 and just missing the playoffs while on their 4th QB and having zero help from the #1 overall draft pick (next year too, Clowney's career is possibly already over). It was a soft schedule in a soft division, but I think Bill O'Brien might be the real deal and at the very least did a great job with what he was given.

I don't see them getting a QB in the draft this next year either as it will be a late round pick so we will suffer in QB purgatory for another season.

Anonymous Stilicho December 29, 2014 9:57 AM  

Michigan is never going to be able to match talent with teams like LSU and Alabama.. or FSU... or Texas. Never going to happen.

So what? Michigan alums would be very happy with Harbaugh-coached Stanford level teams right now. Plus, Harbaugh has coached enough at NFL and college levels to know what he prefers, big state schools like Michigan can, and do, pay big bucks, tenure and control are both going to be greater for the head coach in college, and only a complete fool or someone looking for their first NFL head coaching job would take on the train wreck that is the Jets right now. It really comes down to Harbaugh's personal preferences.

Blogger Owen December 29, 2014 9:59 AM  

In 21 years of coaching WRs in the NFL, Culley has had two WRs post over 1,000 yards, though neither repeated (Steelers).

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 9:59 AM  

Harbaugh's probably the second best coach in the B1G right now.

Anonymous DAS December 29, 2014 10:00 AM  

> Michigan is never going to be able to match talent with teams like LSU and Alabama.. or FSU... or Texas. Never going to happen.

Agree with Nate here. Michigan as a talent producing area has declined along with the auto industry. Detroit is no longer a big city and can't produce the same players as in the 60-80's. It is unlikely Harbaugh will attract enough kids to come live in the state to make the Wolverines what they once were.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 10:01 AM  

but now, as a U of M fan, I have completely changed my mind. This is all good for the Maize and Blue.

Michigan Man!

Blogger szook December 29, 2014 10:02 AM  

Yeah with regard to Testman, it's always good to remember the following principle:

I would rather have a general who was lucky than one who was good. (Napoleon Bonaparte)

Ownership attitude almost always boils down to the above.

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 10:04 AM  

Rex is an above average NFL coach.

Not even .500

And he's a head case.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 10:05 AM  

Rex is one of the best defensive coaches in the nfl. Unfortunately, he has a horrible track record hiring offensive coordinators and developing qbs.

Blogger JDC December 29, 2014 10:08 AM  

Agree with Nate here. Michigan as a talent producing area has declined along with the auto industry

With that comes a very real and measurable loss of self-esteem when it comes to college football in MI (for goodness sakes, we lost to Appalachian State, and didn't even make a bowl game this year). You have a few traditionalists who point to MI's overall win total (forgetting that they were playing long before many other schools), and believe they can successfully compete for a national title, but most MI fans are not so deluded. We'd be happy with a Big 10 title, and a top ten ranking at the end of the year. I think that goal is reasonable, and Harbaugh certainly can achieve that.

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 10:12 AM  

Rex is one of the best defensive coaches in the nfl.

Defense wins games. Rex doesn't win games. QED.

Plus, feet.

Anonymous DrTorch December 29, 2014 10:13 AM  

"They also had half their defense out this year due to injuries"

Like the Cards haven't had injuries? Actually, what NFL team hasn't had injuries?

"Rex is one of the best defensive coaches in the nfl. Unfortunately, he has a horrible track record hiring offensive coordinators and developing qbs."

Agree 100% there. If Rex could have found a reliable QB coach, he'd still be reaching the playoffs.

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 10:29 AM  

If Rex could have found a reliable QB coach, he'd still be reaching the playoffs.

Yes, because Geno is just one reliable QB coach away from greatness.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:35 AM  

" It really comes down to Harbaugh's personal preferences."

Harbaugh's personal preference is money. That is all he cares about.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:36 AM  

"
Not even .500 "

Sub 500 while saddled with possibly the worst front-office in the NFL. like I say.. the guy needs a good strong personnel man.

Anonymous DrTorch December 29, 2014 10:37 AM  

"Michigan as a talent producing area has declined along with the auto industry "

Yes, one more consequence of leftists destroying Detroit.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:37 AM  

"Yes, because Geno is just one reliable QB coach away from greatness."

well... that and an NFL arm... and an NFL IQ... and he needs to be a couple inches taller.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:41 AM  

"Michigan as a talent producing area has declined along with the auto industry "

The trend started showing up a couple of decades ago. Per capita... the 5 stars from ohio and Michigan and those places just started dwindling... while the 5 stars in places like Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama started getting more and more common. Now its progressed to the point where low talent states like Tennessee have now passed once talent rich states like Ohio. Its crazy.

Blogger buzzardist December 29, 2014 10:42 AM  

I have to think that the reports tipping Harbaugh as the next Michigan coach had something to do with this "mutual agreement" at San Francisco. If Harbaugh was already leaving, then it would be unfair to assign stupidity to the 49ers management, provided that they at least made a play to hold onto Harbaugh. If Harbaugh wouldn't accept a sweetened deal in SF, then what's left but to reach amicable parting terms?

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 11:03 AM  

Sub 500 while saddled with possibly the worst front-office in the NFL.

I dunno. The Bidwells are pretty awful but Arizona is still going to the playoffs.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 11:14 AM  

I think Zona's talent guys are way better than the Jet's talent guys.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:26 AM  

I think Zona's talent guys are way better than the Jet's talent guys.

Agreed.

Blogger Mekadave December 29, 2014 11:27 AM  

The story that I heard was that the relationship between the GM (Baalke) and Harbaugh deteriorated and ownership took the GM's side. Can't remember where I read that, though. Argh. :-/

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 11:33 AM  

Agreed.

Toady. :)

Anonymous Pope Cleophus December 29, 2014 11:38 AM  

Harbaugh, ugh.

Stay by the Bay and be gay Big Jim. I quit the following Michigan football when Lloyd Carr couldn't beat Ohio State. The U of M athletic department is hung up on the concept of hiring a "Michigan Man". Their last two Michigan Men sucked as football coaches. Bo Schembechler wasn't a "Michigan Man", in fact the alumni were in open revolt after his hiring because he was an assistant coach for Ohio State.

I want a coach who has worked for one or two top notch coaches and has brought success to his own program. I want someone who will build a great program and be there for the long haul.

Harbaugh is not that man.

Anonymous Pope Cleophus December 29, 2014 11:41 AM  

SEC stands for

Sure
Everbody
Cheats

Blogger Bard December 29, 2014 11:43 AM  

Does anyone else wonder whether the mediocre season for the 49ers was Harbaugh's way of telling them all to piss off? I mean, how stupid is it to wear down the guy responsible for your Win/Loss ratio? Maybe he did try to win no matter what, but maybe he didn't care quite as much. I think it is the worst decision in NFL coaching I can recall. Who lets a guy go when there are so many teams trying to find a person just like him?

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 11:45 AM  

"Sure
Everbody
Cheats"

Another butthurt B1G fan. Don't worry dear little wolverine... You can't beat Ohio State... but The SEC does. Every. Time.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:48 AM  

Harbaugh is not that man.

He made Stanford relevant. He took SF to three conference championship games and a super bowl.

He's the best possible hire Michigan could have made.

In conclusion, you're a great example of the intellectual prowess of a Michigan Man.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:49 AM  

You can't beat Ohio State... but The SEC does. Every. Time.

And a terrible terrible Virginia tech team.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:51 AM  

I think it is the worst decision in NFL coaching I can recall. Who lets a guy go when there are so many teams trying to find a person just like him?

Don't forget that the niners also fired Seifert and Mariucci after double digit win seasons.

They're like the nfl equivalent of Nebraska.

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 11:51 AM  

I think Zona's talent guys are way better than the Jet's talent guys.

It was a horrible decision to hire an old, injury prone QB with no depth at the position.

Enjoy the playoffs, Cards. It's the last one you'll see for some time.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 11:55 AM  

"It was a horrible decision to hire an old, injury prone QB with no depth at the position."

I agree that was a bad call. On the other hand.. the guys behind him were better than average backups.

You're complaining about a bad decision from guys who otherwise have built a good team. Very little about the jets is good.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:57 AM  

The cardinals should do everything they can to sign Cutler asap.

Anonymous Porky December 29, 2014 12:11 PM  

On the other hand.. the guys behind him were better than average backups.

Can't agree with you there. Lindley is an interception machine. And Stanton was a third stringer behind...Sanchez and Teboe?

Very little about the jets is good.

Well, they did get rid of the toe-licker, so that's a start.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 December 29, 2014 12:18 PM  

Harbaugh is not that man

You don't follow much football, do you?
"Build his own program"?
Do you know where Stanford was before Harbaugh?
42-point underdogs to just about every team in the PAC-10, just about all of the time.
And he's one of the few college coaches who's also had great success immediately at the NFL level.
Do you remember where the 49ers were before Harbaugh?
Do you not remember the Nolan-Singletary era?
C'mon now.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 12:24 PM  

You don't follow much football, do you?

A Michigan Man is too sophisticated to follow our more plebian sporting events. He prefers to follow the sport of philosopher kings.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 12:28 PM  

"Can't agree with you there. Lindley is an interception machine. And Stanton was a third stringer behind...Sanchez and Teboe?"

Staton appeared to be better than both Sanchez and Tebow.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2014 12:28 PM  

If you're an obnoxious personality who makes no effort to get along with people, you don't have any reserves of good will when you stumble. Firing him after one bad season certainly was stupid (though next year it would have been after two bad years, SF won't be good next year), but he has a track record of pissing people off wherever he is. I expect he'll last a handfull of seasons at Michigan and then we'll have the same story repeat.

As to Zona's QB decisions, it's not an easy position to fill. Sure, signing an old injury prone guy has problems, but who else were they going to get? Have you looked around the league recently?

Blogger Ken December 29, 2014 12:30 PM  

This was a pretty disappointing season for us Seahawks fans; the Niners are our most entertaining competition, but this year's been a snooze-fest for competition. If they get rid of Harbaugh (and don't get rid of Kap), there's not likely to be a good year for a while.

Still, though, if the owner is a big enough idiot to get rid of him, Harbaugh might as well leave. Hell, the rest of the NFL knows that the Niners are borderline retarded for getting rid of Jim, so he pretty much controls his future.

Anonymous Ives December 29, 2014 12:35 PM  

As a Niners fan I am sick to my stomach. Harbaugh was the only thing standing between the Niners and 2 wins. What kind of a self respecting coach is going to take this crap job? It really shows the mentality of rabbit people. Here is York with one of the handful of best coaches in the world and he fires him. He would rather lose with some "nice guy" than win with a "jerk." I hate the rabbit people.

Blogger Owen December 29, 2014 12:43 PM  

Staton appeared to be better than both Sanchez and Tebow.

Nate, that says something and yet says nothing about Stanton.

Blogger JCclimber December 29, 2014 12:47 PM  

Listening to the John Madden radio show this morning, as he spoke with the 3 morning jockeys who are 49ers fans.....I was amused.

Madden rarely says anything controversial, and he certainly didn't disappoint this morning as he tap danced around the issue, basically saying that Harbaugh should have no difficulty getting another job. Madden sounded a little flummoxed by the decision, but not surprised.

It's a shame that someone of his stature doesn't take a firm stance on all the SJW crap creeping into the NFL.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 12:57 PM  

'Nate, that says something and yet says nothing about Stanton."

I am not saying 'zona has a great front office. I'm just saying... its not remotely fair to say they are as bad as the morons running the jets.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2014 1:05 PM  

If they get rid of Harbaugh (and don't get rid of Kap), there's not likely to be a good year for a while.

SF's deal with Kaepernick was actually brilliant. He's not a top-tier QB, and after he suffers his first serious leg injury, he'll barely be a competent backup, but for the moment the 49ers don't have any better options and better options (see Cardinals, Arizona) are hard to find. So they gave him money, but only one year was guaranteed. As soon as they find another answer at QB, he's gone with no lasting Kaep, er, cap, hit.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 1:17 PM  

Ken:
This was a pretty disappointing season for us Seahawks fans;
Let's see, defending SB champ, 12-4-0, 1st seed in the playoffs
Did Santa not bring you that pony you wanted for Christmas?
Could be worse, at Santa didn't take another fresh dump in the stocking like he does every year in Philly.

Anonymous jack December 29, 2014 1:18 PM  

Have not read the comments above yet. I was shocked to hear this news on this post. Whatever are the 49's thinking? I suspect coach Harbaugh will not stay unemployed more the time it takes a phone to ring. For one, I can imagine the owner of the Falcons is probably on a flight right now to SF to get on his knees and beg the coach to take over his team.
Unbelievable!

Blogger Ken December 29, 2014 1:35 PM  

Don't get me wrong, YIH; I'm THRILLED with how my team's been playing the last 6 games. I just meant I hoped for better from the Niners to make more of a season out of it.

As for the Eagles...Maybe Kelly will improve his defense next year.

Jack: hadn't even considered that about Kap's contract. Good call.

Blogger Owen December 29, 2014 1:40 PM  

Eagles' D will be a mystery. Smith (1st Rd pick) may not be a bust...but he barely sniffed the field in a position that had enough injury problems to open playing opportunities.

Fletcher has to be cut. He was terrible. Safety (other than Jenkins) is open competition.

The DL really improved throughout the year.

First three rounds, they need CB, S, and OL. The line is good, but will show it's age sooner, rather than later.

I know the Eagle faithful will clamor for Rex to be a DC again. Just not sure Rex will go back to it, given his personality.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 1:40 PM  

Ken:
Remember our esteemed host is a Vikings fan, I suspect he would actually consider murder to see a Vikings team that fits that description.
There's probably more than a few Bills fans that would literally kill to see a Bills team like that as well.
Especially after the way their QB just, um, ''retired''.

Blogger Ken December 29, 2014 1:42 PM  

YIH:
[Deep Belly Laughter] Good point, indeed!

Blogger Sean Carnegie December 29, 2014 1:46 PM  

30+ year Niner fan.

If I remember correctly, and don't have a source to cite, allegedly the Niners wanted to extend Harbaugh and he said "We'll just see about that." Throw in the also alleged loss of the players' support and this 8-8 year was on its way as soon as Opening Day came around.

I've thought this year more than a few times that they traded the wrong QB. Kaepernick just seems to be as dumb as a football jock is stereotypically. Nobody who can blow almost a timeout per half not getting the play in/ball snapped can be that bright.

In K's defense, they've not really surrounded him with quality WR talent. They've got three of the same guy in Boldin, Crabtree, and Lloyd and Vernon's likely done as a starting TE in this league.

Next year's 4-12 year is also likely due considering the massive overhaul this roster is likely to get. Davis, Crabtree, Gore, J. Smith, Willis, Brooks, Dorsey, Iupati would seem to be gone and there's a lot you can do with $60 mil of free space.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 1:49 PM  

Less than two weeks ago it looked like the Eagles could go 11-5 and get screwed out of the playoffs.
Now they're just screwed, they went and got a QB from the Jets thinking they weren't getting a Jets QB.
Santa took his revenge again.

Anonymous Harsh December 29, 2014 1:51 PM  

That's because the majority of the per capita talent is in the south. And kids in the south ain't interested.

Not saying this isn't true, but why has Ohio State been able to field such strong teams recently?

Blogger Owen December 29, 2014 1:51 PM  

As someone on the other coast, what happened to Vernon Davis?

Anonymous DavidK December 29, 2014 1:53 PM  

Part of the problem, I believe, is that Jed York(the CEO for five years), and Trent Baalke(GM for four years) all achieved success with Harbaugh pretty quickly in positions they haven't held before. York and Baalke see eye to eye much more often and also each probably believes they are a big reason the team reached an NFC championship after a year(two for York). So they believe they can replaced Harbaugh and regain their success. We shall see...

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Ives December 29, 2014 12:35 PM
He would rather lose with some "nice guy" than win with a "jerk." I hate the rabbit people.



Norv Turner is available. as an added bonus, Kornholer and Wilbon will fellate him weekly on PTI, lots of free air time.

Anonymous bob k. mando December 29, 2014 2:01 PM  

ball peen hammer

Blogger Ken December 29, 2014 2:02 PM  

Owen: he's getting old, getting hurt. He's had a great career, but if he's even IN 2015, it'll likely be his last.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 2:04 PM  

Harsh:
Not saying this isn't true, but why has Ohio State been able to field such strong teams recently?
[Leave it to Beaver voice]: Gee, Wally, I dunno...

Blogger sysadmn December 29, 2014 2:05 PM  

You can't beat Ohio State... but The SEC does. Every. Time.

And a terrible terrible Virginia tech team.


And they're still the best pro football team in the state!

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 2:13 PM  

"Not saying this isn't true, but why has Ohio State been able to field such strong teams recently?"

They haven't had strong teams. They are beating up on a pathetic conference. We'll see how "strong" you think that team is come November 2nd.

Anonymous DrTorch December 29, 2014 2:14 PM  

"Now its progressed to the point where low talent states like Tennessee have now passed once talent rich states like Ohio. Its crazy."

Worst fan fiction since "If you were a dinosaur my love"

Or for the record, if Ohio is so talent poor, why did the SEC East champ get their QB from there?

Anonymous Harsh December 29, 2014 2:19 PM  

They haven't had strong teams. They are beating up on a pathetic conference. We'll see how "strong" you think that team is come November 2nd.

So they're strong relative to weak competition. That's fair. Sugar Bowl will be interesting.

Anonymous GreyS December 29, 2014 2:26 PM  

Huge mistake. Baalke and York acted despicably, badmouthing, backstabbing-- they've been leaking "bad" stuff about Harbaugh for two years to make him look bad enough for this ouster to work.

Harbaugh just doesn't have the players. Two or three years ago this team had as much or more talent than anyone in the league-- but now they are average at best. Scot McCloughan was responsible for that great roster but he is an alcoholic and they let him go ( he ended up in Seattle where he was largely responsible for that great group-- but his drinking got the best of him there, too).

Add the lack of talent to Justin Smith aging, the monster LBs getting hurt to the losses in the secondary and the disappointing OL...

The only thing I would blame Harbaugh for is the choosing of getting rid of Smith. They should have kept him until his contract ran out and Kap proved himself one way or the other.
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If you don't kowtow to whatever regime controls your organization, they will do their damndest to run you out, no matter what the cost to the organization.

That's what happened to my friend. She ran her section of the big office where she worked incredibly well but she was blunt about shortcomings in the system and in some of her workers. The corporate suits above her didn't like her because she knew more than they did and was better at their job than they were.

It was still workable, though, until...

1- One of her bosses became worried about my friend being promoted into that job.
2- One of her employees wanted her job.

They conspired against her and then went to a higher up in the company who they knew didn't like my friend and they railroaded her out.

It was a big hit to the company and they are still struggling to overcome the loss-- only now just getting it together after more than two years. They didn't care-- they wanted her out and damn the consequences to the company. Funny thing is-- after all that only 1 out of the 4 conspirators is still with the company.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 2:32 PM  

Or for the record, if Ohio is so talent poor, why did the SEC East champ get their QB from there?

Indiana's qb is from Ohio?

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 2:35 PM  

The only thing I would blame Harbaugh for is the choosing of getting rid of Smith. They should have kept him until his contract ran out and Kap proved himself one way or the other.

Not sure you can blame him for that. At the time, kaep looked like he had the potential to be an elite qb.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 2:50 PM  

Gotta give the Niners credit for one thing, not only did they totally jew Kaepernick on his ''huge contract''
Each year of the contract, the 49ers can decide to cut Kaepernick before April 1 and will not owe him any more money.
How much you want to bet that's exactly what they'll do?

Anonymous GreyS December 29, 2014 2:53 PM  

Not sure you can blame him for that. At the time, kaep looked like he had the potential to be an elite qb.

Agree. Yeah I don't blame him a ton for that, because Kaep looked like he would be incredible. He was even passing pretty well-- WAC fans remember him as a frosh QB when the gaudy stats couldn't hide the fact that he had almost no touch. I was always in favor of Kaep over Smith, but wished at the time that Harbaugh would have kept Smith for safety reasons, this being a league tough on QBs.

(I'm a Charger fan but usually root for the western teams-- except Oakland of course.)

Blogger Sean Carnegie December 29, 2014 2:55 PM  

@YIH

I'm certain that's exactly what they'll do once they think there's someone competent enough to do that. Right now, Gabbert is the only other QB on the roster and, well, we've seen enough of him in JVille to know exactly why he's holding a clipboard.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 3:02 PM  

How SJW has the NFL gotten? Not a peep about the Rams players ''pants up - don't loot'' protest, but they get ticked off if players wear the wrong brand of headphones.
No, seriously.

Anonymous Scintan December 29, 2014 3:09 PM  

Not sure you can blame him for that. At the time, kaep looked like he had the potential to be an elite qb.

No, he didn't. People were confusing general athletic ability with NFL QB skills. As we have seen for decades, they are not the same thing.

San Francisco and Chicago were both wrong to get rid of their head coaches. New York is about 3 years too late getting rid of the overrated Ryan.

OpenID cailcorishev December 29, 2014 3:22 PM  

Not sure you can blame him for that. At the time, kaep looked like he had the potential to be an elite qb.

Eh. Granted he's pretty athletic and makes an impressive play from time to time. But I wonder if anyone with that many tattoos has the intelligence and foresight to be a great NFL QB in the long term. It takes more than physical skill; it also takes mental quickness on the field and clear-headed leadership and self-control off it.

Teams could do worse than to go to the combine and add up a player's visible tattoos and piercings, add +5 for each of his arrests or suspensions during college, square the result, and mark that down as his Head Case Score -- the percentage chance that said QB will someday make a team regret choosing him for reasons other than lack of athleticism.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 3:23 PM  

Speaking of NFL player discipline; NFL Suspends Ndamukong Suh For Playoff Game After He Stomped On Aaron Rodgers' Injured Leg.
Aaron Rodgers should be glad Suh's aim was off

Blogger Ken December 29, 2014 3:28 PM  

Kap's a good guy with great athleticism, but he doesn't seem to have the quickly executed strategies that are necessary for elite QBs. Now, I don't know if this is a trait that can be trained or improved upon; I confess to be an armchair quarterback with only an academic rather than experiential knowledge.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 3:38 PM  

cailcorishev:
Eh. Granted he's pretty athletic and makes an impressive play from time to time. But I wonder if anyone with that many tattoos has the intelligence and foresight to be a great NFL QB in the long term. It takes more than physical skill; it also takes mental quickness on the field and clear-headed leadership and self-control off it.
Remember all that hype over ''Johnny Football'' last year?
Now I'm not saying ''Johnny Football'' will test positive for weed or something...

Blogger RobertT December 29, 2014 3:55 PM  

"If you don't kowtow to whatever regime controls your organization, they will do their damndest to run you out, no matter what the cost to the organization. This may seem irrational, but actually, it is your assumptions that are incorrect. They don't care what happens to the organization, at least, not as much as they do about controlling it in an unchallenged capacity."

Sounds like you've had the same experience I've had. This is my experience at the Fortune 500 level.

In my experience the CEOs I reported to were the benevolent dad type who gets outraged if you disagree with him. I was always thorn, even trying a leveraged buy out financed by the BofD, but both those companies fell upon hard times and were acquired.

A diversity of opinion is not a bad thing. Someone is always going to think you're making a mistake, and that person you should listen to. It could save your job and your company. You aren't going to like everyone who works for you.

Anonymous GreyS December 29, 2014 3:56 PM  

Kaep is incredible athletically, his arm is great and he has developed his passing touch to a respectable level. But he just doesn't read defenses quickly enough, and that is everything in the NFL. His propensity to pull it down and run as soon as he sees something he doesn't understand worked a couple years ago. With that OL weakening and with defenses keeping an eye on him, those days are over.

Russ Wilson is similar but doesn't run as fast, oftentimes can't hit the broadside of the barn, but reads a bit better. Of course, Wilson has that defense and has the supreme M Lynch.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2014 4:03 PM  

Smith. They should have kept him until his contract ran out and Kap proved himself one way or the other.

How could they find out what Kaepernick's ability was if he sat on the bench behind Alex Smith? You gotta pick your QB and go with him. If you pick wrong, well, pick better next time. Hedging your bets isn't going to save you - only one guy can take the snap.

That said, a better talent evaluator would've written Kaepernick off sooner. He's a running QB with a cannon arm and terrible decision making ability. That was obvious from the begining.


Each year of the contract, the 49ers can decide to cut Kaepernick before April 1 and will not owe him any more money.
How much you want to bet that's exactly what they'll do?


They will certainly do that, the only question is which year. I don't think it will be next year, I think it will be before the 2016 season, but that depends on how good the QB talent pool looks. Kaepernick isn't Geno Smith bad, they can't replace him with just anybody off the street.

OpenID cailcorishev December 29, 2014 4:16 PM  

Remember all that hype over ''Johnny Football'' last year?

No, because I wasn't following football last year. But using my metric, it looks like he has one arrest and 3 tattoos, for a total Head Case Score of 64%. Although at this point, he seems determined to eliminate all doubt anyway.

I may have to adjust my scoring method; now that I think about it, too many players would score well over 100%.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 4:21 PM  

Every time I've seen Kaepernick I think ''good career backup QB'' (other than Arizona of course) but his days as starter are clearly numbered.
Although with that contract he may wind up trade bait.
Unlike another team. Myself, it would have been interesting to see a certain coach just go ahead and commit seppuku.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 4:29 PM  

"Worst fan fiction since "If you were a dinosaur my love"

Or for the record, if Ohio is so talent poor, why did the SEC East champ get their QB from there?"

So you don't know what per capita means then?

Missouri gets talent from Ohio because they can't get it from florida.

Blogger YIH December 29, 2014 4:30 PM  

Johnny Manziel: I have to learn or find another job.
Johnny, repeat after me: ''Do you want fries with that?''

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 December 29, 2014 4:44 PM  

"If you don't kowtow to whatever regime controls your organization,....."
OR, have "actionable" dirt on them...."

CaptDMO

Anonymous Papapete December 29, 2014 4:51 PM  

In college a coach can make a huge difference. That's why I nominate Bill Snyder for greatest coach of all time. He has done more with less talent and more natural disadvantages than any coach in history. You're mostly too young to remember, but in one preseason ranking Kansas State was rated below Wichita State and Wichita State had killed its football program the year before. In the pros even a great coach is at the mercy of the front office and GM. In college the head coach frequently has more real power than the college president. Harbaugh might never take Michigan to the national championship, but he could probably fight it out with Urban Meyers for perennial control of the Big 10(12)(16)(however many teams that stupid conference decides to have) and take his team to a major bowl for decades to come.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 5:02 PM  

That's why I nominate Bill Snyder for greatest coach of all time.

Bill Snyder is a wizard and thus ineligible for awards given to mortal coaches.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 5:07 PM  

"Kaepernick isn't Geno Smith bad, they can't replace him with just anybody off the street. "

Kap is fine if you have the right guys around him. You have to treat him like an Alabama QB. Let him manage the game and create when he gets the chance. But the majority of the work has to come from the RBs.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 5:12 PM  

First, the dominance of the South in the Championship game has far more to do with one team usually spending 30-40 days in 0-30 degree weather versus another team spending that same time in 50-80 degree weather. A good first start in testing this would either shorten the time period between last game and bowl game or change teams typical environment to its opposite. Just as a mind experiment, consider the results.

But "white" college and professional football coaches, SAPPIEST and most bleeding heart of all anti-white Supremacists. In the macro view, this was a separation of anti-white Supremacists BUT ultimately a purging of what could have soon been perceived as "white supremacy." Viscerally, Harbaugh "looks" the part of "white supremacy" equivalent to a Romney and WINNING his way would only further the perception. And even though Harbaugh is almost certainly an anti-white Supremacist like Romney, the perception needs to be crushed in the minds of the masses. The association of white Supremacy to losing and degeneracy must be maintained.

Blogger Doom December 29, 2014 5:19 PM  

Let me see... a coach is fired for not towing the line, so a fan decides to change loyalties to... another team which requires their employees to tow the line? Okay. That's going to work. Don't mind me, I'll be over in the corner laughing my ass off.

Quit these dastardly obsessions already. Find a hobby that can't be destroyed by others of lesser natures. Or surrender to the fact that you are owned by people you don't like, with whom you don't agree, people you would even choose to allow in your home casually, purposefully, or even in an emergency.

Yeah, yeah, going to my corner to finish laughing.

Anonymous Harsh December 29, 2014 5:21 PM  

But "white" college and professional football coaches, SAPPIEST and most bleeding heart of all anti-white Supremacists.

It's too bad you couldn't squeeze your batshit crazy ideology into the conver... oh, wait.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 5:26 PM  

"But "white" college and professional football coaches, SAPPIEST and most bleeding heart of all anti-white Supremacists. In the macro view, this was a separation of anti-white Supremacists BUT ultimately a purging of what could have soon been perceived as "white supremacy." Viscerally, Harbaugh "looks" the part of "white supremacy" equivalent to a Romney and WINNING his way would only further the perception. And even though Harbaugh is almost certainly an anti-white Supremacist like Romney, the perception needs to be crushed in the minds of the masses. The association of white Supremacy to losing and degeneracy must be maintained."


So thordaddy... how is it that The Hoodie still has a job? and what about Les Miles and Nick Saban? They should be fired any day now right?

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 5:27 PM  

Thordaddy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 5:30 PM  

The SEC wins because weather. Which is also why the ACC has such an awesome bowl record. And that's also why hawaii wins so many bowl games.

Blogger Cee December 29, 2014 5:38 PM  

I may have to adjust my scoring method; now that I think about it, too many players would score well over 100%.
I'd say "find the highest possible score in the league and use that to normalize it" but that could be an adventure all by itself.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:37 PM  

Silly Nathan... Weather is only really the factor in December and January when one team is usually training and practicing in harsh weather conditions versus another team that practices and trains in ideal football conditions. Imagine that, unequal environment leading up to unequal results in the Championship game? Isn't that right out the HBD handbook?

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:39 PM  

Josh...

You've never smelled the sweet scent of the gridiron. Nor have you toppled a whitey-hating nigel with complete immunity. We might as well be talking paper airplanes are far as you are concerned.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:42 PM  

Nathan...

You thinks college and professional football coaches are not expendable? Lol... These fellas would easily throw their own sons under the bus before they'd ever want to be seen as "racist." You know nothing.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:46 PM  

Just in case you didn't take things to there logical conclusion...

If one would throw his son under the bus so as to not be seen as "racist" then HE HAS LITERALLY been bent over to anti-white Supremacy...

These characters are bought and sold AND THEY NEVER WIN in the name of white Supremacy.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 6:47 PM  

"Weather is only really the factor in December and January when one team is usually training and practicing in harsh weather conditions versus another team that practices and trains in ideal football conditions."

So you don't realize that every team in the B1G has indoor practice facilities... and you call us ignorant?

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 6:48 PM  

"You thinks college and professional football coaches are not expendable?"

I think someone that doesn't realize that indoor practice facilities exist shouldn't really be talking about sports.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:49 PM  

And just in case you forget...

We are talking a 10-12 week season followed by an 4-5 week lull in play before one last game... Now two last games for two teams...

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:52 PM  

Lol... So living in Columbus, Ohio Is the EQUAL to living in Southern Florida? Look at the totality of the environment... That's what a real HBDer would do...

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 6:54 PM  

Nathan... Have you actually ever been in the vicinity of a D-1 college football coach? Do you know anything about the real dynamics of football?

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 7:13 PM  

Vox already established the self-annihilating "nature" of the 49ers' ownership. What this means is that the 49ers' ownership "killed" one of there own (more like an exile). And because the 49ers' ownership is 100% anti-white Supremacy (as are all of majors sports) then the "lunacy" was in exiling a fellow anti-white Supremacist...

This doesn't answer the WHY though to its fullest extent. One sees the logic, but one can't see the "nipping" of white Supremacy "at the bud."

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:14 PM  

thordaddy we've already established that you have literally no idea what you're talking about. There's no reason to bother discussing this with you.

But to answer your question... Yes. Both college and pro. Phil Fulmer... and Jeff Fisher to be specific.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:14 PM  

Fulmer was a giant dick. Fisher was just as Joe Cool in person as he is in the media.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 7:14 PM  

Excuse my there --> their errors in the previous entries.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 7:16 PM  

Nathan...

As spectator and adoring fan or as white player?

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 7:25 PM  

Nathan...

We know that I at least know that you are an anti-white Supremacist and so it makes absolute sense for you to run cover for the sappiest and most bleeding hearted of "white" anti-white Supremacists with overly aggrandized public status.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 7:32 PM  

We have two new insights that we didn't even have 5 years ago:

1. The "dominance" of blacks in football and basketball was a completely calculated political move.

2. The top white NFL receivers ARE THE PREMIER professional sports athletes.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:40 PM  

"
1. The "dominance" of blacks in football and basketball was a completely calculated political move."

You're an idiot.

"
2. The top white NFL receivers ARE THE PREMIER professional sports athletes."

JJ Watt would like a word with you about that statement.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 7:46 PM  

'
As spectator and adoring fan or as white player?"

different for each. Both cases were charity fund raisers.

In the case of fulmer... I was just an observer... I can't say I was impartial because I already had a dislike for the man based on how he screwed his own best friend to steal his job. But mostly I just wanted to observe him and see if my own biases were to be confirmed and to see if the talk of him being arrogant and lazy and out-of-touch were to be believed. I confirmed all of that to my own satisfaction. Even at a charity event the man managed to make an ass of himself.

Fisher couldn't have been more different. Though in that case I was going in far more charitable. I had some respect for Fisher and I knew him to be extremely media savy. I just wanted to see a pro play the game.. and that's what I got. The man is an absolute master at handling the media and the public. Fascinating to watch really.

Blogger roundeye December 29, 2014 7:48 PM  

By all accounts Jim Harbaugh is nuts. Like Gary Busey level nuts. I can see him being hard to work with.

Blogger James Dixon December 29, 2014 8:41 PM  

> Geno Smith, anyone?

Geno will never be an Andrew Luck, but he's as good as half a dozen other starting quarterbacks in the league, even now. At worst he's a passable backup quarterback. You just have to know how to coach him. Never underestimate what bad coaching can do to otherwise good players.

> Yes, because Geno is just one reliable QB coach away from greatness.

Nah, but he is one away from being a slightly below average NFL quarterback. Which is good enough to win with.

> well... that and an NFL arm... and an NFL IQ... and he needs to be a couple inches taller.

His arm is good enough, Nate. There have been plenty of good quarterbacks without a rocket for an arm. But you are correct about the IQ and height. He'd never be a top quarterback in the league, even with good coaching.

Now, I will admit to a possible bias on the matter, given his college. :)

Though the stupidity of Harbaugh's firing still pales into insignificance compared to the firing of Bum Phillips by the Oilers.

> "Sure Everbody Cheats"

Given the complexity of the rules, everyone does, whether they mean to or not.

Not that I'm an SEC fan, mind you, as Nate will attest. But I am hoping for an Alabama/Florida state championship game. Fairmont, WV versus Clarksburg, WV for the win.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 8:48 PM  

"Fairmont, WV versus Clarksburg, WV for the win."

touche'

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 8:48 PM  

"Though the stupidity of Harbaugh's firing still pales into insignificance compared to the firing of Bum Phillips by the Oilers."

Bud eventually admitted that was his worst mistake as an owner.

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 9:42 PM  

We have two new insights that we didn't even have 5 years ago:

Define "we"

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 10:00 PM  

We = NOT anti-white Supremacists...

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:22 PM  

weird. Because we've been hearing this same tired bullshit for at least 15 years.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 10:25 PM  

It's interesting to witness how malleable the HBD paradigm really is and where "it" asserts itself and where "it" shrivels into nonexistence.

Blogger Nate December 29, 2014 10:26 PM  

Thordaddy... seriously... no one gives a shit. There are plenty of places on the net where folks will love your particular idiocy. I suggest you go there.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 10:49 PM  

Nathan... What makes you think you can speak for anyone else but yourself? And you don't even do that well.

Are you saying that the respective team environments during a lull of NEARLY HALF A SEASON LONG has no effect on the outcome of the Championship game?

That's anti-HBD idiocy.

And are you actually telling me that the professional black athletes are NOT the perfect anti-white Supremacy political pawns?

That's ideological subterfuge.

And when I say the top white receivers in the NFL are the premier sports athlete I am saying that these fellas can play almost all the specialty positions with mere change in focus and body comp, they could shift gears and go to other sports both mainstream and extreme and on paper they are premier 6'1"-6'4", 200-225, 4.3-4.5s 40's, 20-25 reps on the 225lb bench, 32-36in verticals... Now, the black receivers post equal and maybe slightly better paper numbers... But they don't play ball, surf, golf, do marathon and triathlons and play tennis too... And no one is gearing them up for multiple positions changes if needed. Black receivers in the NFL (outside of the Deion phenom) mainly stay receivers... They don't become tightends or free safeties... They don't really have a chance to be a backup QB or slotback... The top white receivers in college and the NFL are the most versatile athletes around... They are the 800 lb elephant in the NFL room.

Anonymous Harsh December 29, 2014 10:49 PM  

It's interesting to witness how malleable the HBD paradigm really is and where "it" asserts itself and where "it" shrivels into nonexistence.

It's also interesting to watch a psychotic break in the making.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 11:01 PM  

Harsh...

You hardly live up to your handle.

Anonymous Harsh December 29, 2014 11:17 PM  

You hardly live up to your handle.

I only bring my A game for the good trolls.

Blogger Thordaddy December 29, 2014 11:42 PM  

Well... Only the anti-white Supremacist can be a "good" troll "in principle." I'm sorry to disappoint. Maybe you could bring any kind of "game" towards this genuine white Supremacist?

Has anyone actually rebutted any statement I've made on this subject? Are any of you clowns actual current or ex-football players at the collegiate level or above? Have any of you fools ever huffed a 90 yard touchdown or knocked another unconscious on the gridiron? Have any of you twerps ever played under a "white" anti-white Supremacist coach or two and a gaggle of anti-white Supremacists assistant coaches?

The 49ers' just let a winner go... And it has NUUUUTHING to do with anti-white Supremacy... Oh no, definitely not! No politics in the NFL at all... It's all merit-based. Lol!

Blogger Josh December 29, 2014 11:56 PM  

Are any of you clowns actual current or ex-football players at the collegiate level or above?

Are you?

Have any of you fools ever huffed a 90 yard touchdown or knocked another unconscious on the gridiron?

Have you?

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 12:04 AM  

Has anyone actually rebutted any statement I've made on this subject?

You're raving like a lunatic. There's nothing to rebut.

Anonymous ENthePeasant December 30, 2014 12:17 AM  

This is my weekly try at commenting. York is a rich kid from some Midwest shithole where old money rules. His old man is a lawyer, and how this kid, whose never had a real job in his life, suddenly got the job as CEO would make Dr Torch Blush... Harbaugh is a straight shooter. The players loved him. York and Wormtongue Ballke were busy working gloryholes in the Castro while Harbaugh was working his ass off night after night. This isn't magic, it's the way America now operates.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/12/29/jed-york-3/

Anonymous ENthePeasant December 30, 2014 12:26 AM  

This is the York press conference. This is for Dr. Torch. Try not to get your shoes in it.

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Jed-York-and-Trent-Baalke-on-49ers-Coaching-Change/b538d14f-d8f6-4023-a1b8-1d1c65a42ef1

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 12:30 AM  

Josh... Obviously, yes (ex-player on a D-1 team) and yes (on more than one occasion).

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 12:34 AM  

Which team?

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 12:39 AM  

A team in the MAC conference... That's all you need to know... The point is, I know football AND anti-white Supremacy better than you PLUS how they intersect.

Put it this way, I was the type of 6

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 12:40 AM  

...was the type of 6'1" 195lb white boy that could do a 360 dunk... You should have seen my homeboy when he saw that... Never before and never after, most likely.

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 12:41 AM  

Well, that sounds like bullshit but okay.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 12:48 AM  

I wouldn't put anything out that could be refuted down the line... That's not how a white Supremacist operates.

In fact, I was thinking of returning to the gym where I last threw it down with utter ease about ten years ago and see if I might be the only 6'1", 40 year old white man to do a 360 dunk IN THE WORLD... I'll keep you updated... It's really just an empirical and psychological challenge measuring the potential success or lack thereof of my altered training philosophy.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 12:51 AM  

By the way... I always admired Vox's athletic accomplishments... A real genuine Supremacist in my estimation.

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 12:55 AM  

In fact, I was thinking of returning to the gym where I last threw it down with utter ease about ten years ago and see if I might be the only 6'1", 40 year old white man to do a 360 dunk IN THE WORLD... I'll keep you updated...

Oh, we're waiting with bated breath on that one.

Btw, it was Miami, right?

Blogger Josh December 30, 2014 12:58 AM  

I want to see Thor daddy and tiny Tim play one on one

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 12:59 AM  

I want to see Thor daddy and tiny Tim play one on one

It's funny you say that cuz I keep thinking Thordaddy is Tiny Tim.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:09 AM  

What you all don't seem to understand is that the NFL was destined to be a vehicle for white Supremacy or anti-white Supremacy. The bureaucracy, owners, management, players and fans have chosen the latter route. This is not even in dispute anymore. All we "see" now is the inevitable destruction of the NFL. The fatal blow will be the high-minded defensive coordinator that lodges the argument -- based on total equality -- that a runner with football in hand CANNOT lead with his head while running and the offensive lineman CANNOT lead with his head while blocking... And then the next step towards total equality is a defensive lineman and linebackers unable to rush and tackle head first... Essentially, it will be illegal in the NFL to lead with one's head IN ANY FACET OF THE GAME.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:10 AM  

Harsh... No, but I made a visit.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:15 AM  

I don't troll or sockpuppet. That's the sphere of the anti-Supremacist. You clowns don't get because you don't want to get it.

You know nothing about football... You "know" football like you know "blacks." Media driven knowledge... Not empirically based... Heck, I know nigels BECAUSE of football... Real race-realism at age ten... Imagine a 180 lb black ten year old looking to stuff this little 85 lb white running back? That's some real race realism for you.

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 1:20 AM  

I don't troll or sockpuppet.

Sez you.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:21 AM  

If you fools don't think the talent pool is large enough to fill out the entire NFL rosters with the best of white male athletes only WITHOUT ANY DECLINE in the quality of the game and fan experience then... You are fools. The hits would be just as nasty without being cheap (as we saw last night with Pitt/Cincy), the catches would be just as spectacular (without the self-aggrandizing), the touchdowns runs just as long and full of missed tackles... If blacks could no longer play in the NFL, how would the game or the experience of the game BE WORSE?

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:22 AM  

Harsh...

Don't you think Vox would have brought such a thing to light by now?

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:27 AM  

Think of all the greats that couldn't play the way they played in the past once the inevitable push for total equality in the NFL mandates that no player "may ever lead with his head while playing" the game of professional football.

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 1:34 AM  

Don't you think Vox would have brought such a thing to light by now?

Do you?

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 1:38 AM  

You know nothing about football...

So then if you know that, what's my background? Where did I play college ball? How many professional football teams have I worked for?

Blogger Daniel December 30, 2014 1:55 AM  

Oh, I finally get it.

Maybe Harbaugh is posting as Thordaddy. I could see how even good ownership would see no other option but to part ways.

In seriousness, though, I don't care if Mr. Win is Gary Busey crazy. Let him go nuts as long as they keep winning. If he's really so emotionally incontinent and rationally diseased, letting the madness play out the string is the wiser move: future candidates won't think that your ownership has the taint of the career assassin that they do now. Fans won't think you are idiots. The media won't be given an "Ignore us now for a decade or so" pass.

Figure out how to handle a star until the star burns out. Oakland was forced to do this because its owner was the insane star, but when it is a coach...if he's really that crazy, it pays to let him set off his own petards. Parting with your consistent champion like gentlemen indicates that you are the crazy one.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 1:56 AM  

Better yet, Harsh, how about you tell us whether college and pro football are a venue of white Supremacy or anti-white Supremacy or whether you simply cannot, will not and must not think in those terms?

Blogger Daniel December 30, 2014 1:57 AM  

Harbaugh doesn't even have to say it: the subtext is that he couldn't get along with the organization. Based on his results vs. theirs before him, he believed they should be champions, and they disagreed.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 2:00 AM  

Harsh... Do you know anything about "black football player privilege" in college football? It's when a black player faces absolutely no institutional or cultural pressure to make grades AND THEREFORE can focus exclusively on football. This does not exist for white college football players. In fact, a real institutional and cultural pressure exists for white football players to make grades.

Anonymous Harsh December 30, 2014 2:04 AM  

Better yet, Harsh, how about you tell us whether college and pro football are a venue of white Supremacy or anti-white Supremacy or whether you simply cannot, will not and must not think in those terms?

I have no idea what you're rabbiting on about.

Harsh... Do you know anything about "black football player privilege" in college football? It's when a black player faces absolutely no institutional or cultural pressure to make grades AND THEREFORE can focus exclusively on football. This does not exist for white college football players. In fact, a real institutional and cultural pressure exists for white football players to make grades.

Okay.

Blogger Daniel December 30, 2014 2:11 AM  

Also, I bet Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota are mighty happy that they don't play in the Big Ten any more. Trying to occasionally break through the barrier at the top in the Big (East) Seven just got a lot, lot harder. Poor Maryland, Indiana and Rutgers. They weren't in good shape before. They are toast now.

Blogger Thordaddy December 30, 2014 2:18 AM  

Exactly Harsh... You don't know what I'm talking about and you can give no plausible rationale for the 49ers' "lunacy."

I say they are an anti-white Supremacy organization from top to bottom and are BOUND for destruction either at the individual team level or as collateral damage in the collapse of the whole NFL collective WHICH IS ALSO A FORCE for anti-white Supremacy. The "progress" of the NFL is the anti-NFL where players "cannot lead with their heads while playing" the game of football.

Anonymous Baseball Savant December 30, 2014 6:21 AM  

"The trend started showing up a couple of decades ago. Per capita... the 5 stars from ohio and Michigan and those places just started dwindling... while the 5 stars in places like Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama started getting more and more common. Now its progressed to the point where low talent states like Tennessee have now passed once talent rich states like Ohio. Its crazy."

I didn't get a chance to see if someone had already addressed this, but while Nate is hitting the nail directly on the head in regards to Michigan's ability to compete with subpar talent as it relates to the SEC, this statement isn't all together accurate. I did a study using the Rivals Top-250 for football recruits since 2003 while the southeast has a RIDICULOUS number of those 4 & 5 star individuals, Ohio is still in the top-7 or 8 states that produce HS football talent. For a state like Florida, it can produce enough top-shelf talent to make FSU, Florida, Miami-FL, Georgia & Tennessee great teams. Ohio is the same, but on a smaller scale. The talent in Ohio is going to Ohio St., but a lot of the other talent goes to Michigan. Some of this has been changing because high level Ohio guys will go to Michigan St, Notre Dame, Penn St., and sometimes Wisconsin, but mostly Michigan. Michigan has to find a way to get all those prospects away from the other schools and dig into Ohio St.'s guys as well. Like Ohio St., Michigan will pull guys from other midwest states, i.e. Indiana & Illinois and like Ohio St., they'll also get guys from Florida & California. I think Ohio can support a couple of top-10 teams but Michigan needs to restablish dominance.

This is also a good reason why Alabama & LSU are so good. Of course Saban can get whoever he wants, but Alabama & Louisiana produce a RIDICULOUS amount of talent on a per capita basis and what's amazing is that the talent almost ALWAYS stays home. Louisiana produces incredible football players and almost always Les Miles closes. It's pretty amazing really.

Nate is right about what he saying, but if you look at the recruiting services, Ohio still produces a ton of talent & I think the numbers indicate they could service 2 and MAYBE 3 teams. Michigan's problem is that they've been sucking for so long that they aren't getting their fair share of Ohio recruits. Of course, you can always argue about the legitimacy of the recruiting services themselves and say Ohio doesn't produce the amount of talent that the scouting services tell. I haven't looked into what percentage of NFL players are from Ohio. Oh, Tennessee has not started to outproduce Ohio as far as volume is concerned. I'd have to go back and check my stats to see if they produce more than Ohio on a population basis. Really good stuff here.

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