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Friday, December 19, 2014

A step forward

This attempt by the Dutch anti-nationalists to crack down on Geert Wilders is actually an encouraging step on the European front. It means the multicultis have lost their popular support, the deception game is over, and they are now being forced to resort to naked force and open speech policing in an attempt to silence the opposition's leadership:
'The public prosecutor in The Hague is to prosecute Geert Wilders on charges of insulting a group of people based on race and incitement to discrimination and hatred,' prosecutors said in a statement.

'Politicians may go far in their statements, that's part of freedom of expression, but this freedom is limited by the prohibition of discrimination,' it said, adding that no date had yet been set for the trial.

In a written statement, Wilders says he 'said what millions of people think and believe.'

Wilders says authorities 'should concentrate on prosecuting jihadis instead of me.'

'I do not retract anything I have said,' Wilders, whose Party for Freedom (PVV) is leading opinion polls.

'In my fight for freedom and against the Islamisation of the Netherlands, I will never let anyone silence me. No matter the cost, no matter by whom, whatever the consequences may be,' he said.
Once they resort to the use of force, so can their opponents. If Wilders is jailed for nothing more than defending the Dutch nation against their invaders, many of his jailers will not likely survive for long. After all, if a Dutchman is going to be imprisoned for his thoughts, he may as well be imprisoned for his actions.

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117 Comments:

Blogger Nate December 19, 2014 8:43 AM  

Europe is going Kaboom. It is going Kaboom and you'll be lucky to live through it. Pack up and move to Costa Rica where you belong old man.

Blogger Salt December 19, 2014 8:48 AM  

Vox, your Time to Civilisation posit is interesting, but it appears a Time to Destruction is more in the cards. Are you revising your time-tables at all?

Blogger Jourdan December 19, 2014 9:02 AM  

I find it frustrating that more nationalists have not resorted to the use of force. Not only is it morally defensable in the face of what the globalist progressive forces are doing to nations and people, it is effective. No one wants to say it out loud, but I will: Brevik's actions were completely morallly justified, he decimated the youth cadre of a group dedicated to wiping his people out from their own homeland, and, in the process, broght that subject out of the shadows and into open debate in the normal political process, which has resulted in serious progress for anti-Muslim settler forces in Norway.

A, or a group of, Dutch activists are perfectly justified in using violence against the agents of the state who are behind this second attempt to legallly silence Wilders.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 19, 2014 9:05 AM  

I suspect that Europe’s ‘Kaboom’, if it happens soon be relatively non-violent. I think most Europeans still favor peaceful repatriation of foreigners. If, however, events continue to drag out, the chance of serious violence will increase.

Also, not everyone will be subject to repatriation. People who are well integrated into their communities will likely still be welcome.

Note to Turks: Speak German, make your kids speak German. Know the Deutschland Lied by heart, including the ‘Über Alles’ verse. Either claim no religion or become Lutheran (in Bavaria, Roman Catholic). If you cannot do these things, for your own safety, start packing.

Anonymous PA December 19, 2014 9:18 AM  

Re. Jordan's comment: Europeans haven't taken things to the next level for the following reasons:

- plenty left to lose
- no buy-in from their women
- thin extended family ties
- the hostile elite looks like they do
- no foreign or domestic sponsor

I'll qualify each of those with "for now."

Anonymous Sensei December 19, 2014 9:19 AM  

Jourdan December 19, 2014 9:02 AM

Down that road lies becoming a monster as evil as that you would slay. For good men that kind of force should be like chemotherapy- only justifiable to destroy the cancer and ceasing as soon as the cancer is no longer a problem. Those kids were only stem cells..

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 9:22 AM  

There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 9:24 AM  

'I do not retract anything I have said,' Wilders, whose Party for Freedom (PVV) is leading opinion polls.

'In my fight for freedom and against the Islamisation of the Netherlands, I will never let anyone silence me. No matter the cost, no matter by whom, whatever the consequences may be,' he said.


I hope he sticks to his guns, and I think he will.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 9:26 AM  

PA December 19, 2014 9:18 AM: all good points.

Blogger Salt December 19, 2014 9:29 AM  

Brevik's actions were completely morallly justified

Any morality discussion aside, his action was a harbinger as the multicultis are blind and any peaceful resolution shall not be forthcoming.

Anonymous outsidah December 19, 2014 9:31 AM  

I admire Breivik for not attacking the teeming masses of 3W immigrants pouring into his country around the clock.

These muslim streetboys or Congolese mud farmers are mere particles, unaware of and indifferent to the fact they are being manipulated by vast elite networks for their own ends of power and influence.

Anonymous Michael December 19, 2014 9:32 AM  

What a shock, another government controlled by the globalists abusing its power in order to silence opposition to the displacement of indigenous people by a foreign occupier. This is a blatant human rights violation, a communist tactic devised by the Zionists and Masons (i.e. the Synagogue of Satan) in power.

Anonymous rienzi December 19, 2014 9:35 AM  

If you read the article you will see Wilders characterized as "far right", also a very large Danish political party the same way. I've noticed that nothing is EVER characterized as "far left', even if it is to the left of Pol Pot.

The same applies to religions: "Mainstream Christianity". Its not "mainstream". Its not even in the stream, but is way over on the left bank somewhere, miles from the stream.

Anonymous jack December 19, 2014 9:37 AM  

@PA above

There is also the unpleasant fact that most of Europe's folk have been disarmed. It takes a special kind of courage or desperation, to attack the armed police and military with sticks and stones. Not impossible, of course, just very very bloody. Now, using the ideas of 4th war; there may be some real hope.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 19, 2014 9:38 AM  

Wilders knows not to apologize. Matt Taylor would do well to heed his example.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 19, 2014 9:42 AM  

Jack,

Europe is full of guns. You just need to know where to get them.

Blogger Joshua Dyal December 19, 2014 9:47 AM  

If you read the article you will see Wilders characterized as "far right", also a very large Danish political party the same way. I've noticed that nothing is EVER characterized as "far left', even if it is to the left of Pol Pot.

Same thing for the PEGIDA article, even on Brietbart. "Far right" in Europe is dog-whistle for "DISQUALIFY; these guys are Nazis!" Which of course is ironic, since Nazism was an applied Marxism, to the left of Woodrow Wilson and FDR on almost every point of policy. Plus, it's not even true. "Far right" is used to describe movements that are actually mainstream centrist, if it happens to disagree with the power brokers.

Anonymous Big Bill December 19, 2014 10:03 AM  

"'In my fight for freedom and against the Islamisation of the Netherlands, I will never let anyone silence me. No matter the cost, no matter by whom, whatever the consequences may be,' he said."

Mass demonstrations outside the courthouse for days on end will work. Signs saying "I am Geert Wilders!" Street battles that overwhelm any attacks by the Antifa thugs. There is no way that the judges will ignore mass protests.

Anonymous cheddarman December 19, 2014 10:10 AM  

"There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch" - Josh

Josh, if you ain't Dutch
You ain't much!

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother December 19, 2014 10:11 AM  

Josh is zhe Fazha!

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 10:17 AM  

I don't speak freaky deaky Dutch

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 19, 2014 10:18 AM  

I just don't understand why the powers that be seem to continually insist on ignoring their own citizens' needs in favor of foreigners.

It's like they hate the countries they rule over.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus December 19, 2014 10:29 AM  

Wilders and his followers now have the moral high ground (essential first element for 4GW). Use it for all it is worth. Make the SJWs hang themselves with the rope they've been given.

Anonymous Anubis December 19, 2014 10:29 AM  

"I just don't understand why the powers that be seem to continually insist on ignoring their own citizens' needs in favor of foreigners.
It's like they hate the countries they rule over."

They do hate the countries they rule over, they are flooding them with the turd world to prevent another Nazi party from being a majority. They think the problems that the 3rd world brings will distract people from crony quantitative easing.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott December 19, 2014 10:29 AM  

'I do not retract anything I have said,'

Somebody with some balls not caving. That's refreshing

Anonymous Will U. Stopit December 19, 2014 10:31 AM  

Swift fox, The PTB are simply more highly evolved. The proles that they rule over do not appreciate the value of vibrancy.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 19, 2014 10:47 AM  

Pay attention Islam, if he goes to jail he'll have more support/attention for being innocent.

Anonymous Black Bart December 19, 2014 10:48 AM  

To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.

Anonymous Idle Spectator December 19, 2014 10:49 AM  

Vox is not old. He is simply different in his own way.

He needs our understanding.

Anonymous freestater December 19, 2014 11:02 AM  

Sort of on topic, Libertarians still supporting open immigration and invasion.At what point does reality start to overtake allegiance to Libertarian ideas?


http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/gary-north/do-illegal-immigrants-steal-americans-jobs/

Anonymous Grinder December 19, 2014 11:03 AM  

Nazism a form of marxism is a Jew lie fit for consumption by dumb goyim. The Jew nation wrecking whites are experiencing is the marxism.

Anonymous DrTorch December 19, 2014 11:03 AM  

I just don't understand why the powers that be seem to continually insist on ignoring their own citizens' needs in favor of foreigners.

That's what I wonder. What's the motivation for these leaders to commit treason like so?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 19, 2014 11:06 AM  

It's like they hate the countries they rule over.

They do. They hate that countries (nations) exist at all, because nations limit their power.

I think there's also a grass-is-greener effect: "Man, our serfs totally suck. Their serfs over in XYZ are so much better; I wish we had theirs instead."

Anonymous Python December 19, 2014 11:13 AM  

Nazism a form of marxism is a Jew lie fit for consumption by dumb goyim.



Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?

Reg: Fuck off! 'Judean People's Front'. We're the People's Front of Judea! 'Judean People's Front'.

Francis: Wankers.

Anonymous PA December 19, 2014 11:15 AM  

"What's the motivation for these leaders to commit treason like so?"

White men hang tyrants. Muds kill each other over sneakers

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 19, 2014 11:17 AM  

Grinder,

Go play somewhere else.

Anonymous Salt December 19, 2014 11:22 AM  

At what point does reality start to overtake allegiance to Libertarian ideas?

When they're told, "Convert or die."

Anonymous Sanne December 19, 2014 11:24 AM  

They aren't going to prosecute him yet. He is invited for the interrogation after which they'll decide whether to charge him, though they hint that they probably will.

And yes, knowing him he'll not retract.

Anonymous Porky December 19, 2014 11:26 AM  

The hair. Oh God, the hair.

Blogger Kelfa23 December 19, 2014 11:28 AM  

I think it will take a black swan event to really get a nationalist movement off the ground. I think things are decaying at to slow a pace allowing the majority to continually adjust to a lower standard of living and becoming incrementally, a lesser and lesser majority of their county. I don't see it happening in the near future ( 5 to 10 years) I wish I was wrong

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 19, 2014 11:31 AM  

"Once they resort to the use of force, so can their opponents...After all, if a Dutchman is going to be imprisoned for his thoughts, he may as well be imprisoned for his actions."

Yes, exactly. The same applies to other European countries, as well as the US, Canada, and Australia.

I sense we're about to reach that point, which is why I've been predicting civil war.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 19, 2014 11:33 AM  

We Libertarians suffer from a problem similar to other idealistic groups. We are so absolutely convinced of our ‘rightness’ that we insist that the entire world must somehow intuitively agree with us. The fact is that belief in Individual Liberty is an advanced concept that can only apply to advanced people and probably only to a people animated by traditional Judeo-Christian cultural norms.

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 11:38 AM  

a people animated by traditional Judeo-Christian cultural norms.

Please define what you mean by "Judeo-Christian cultural norms."

Being a Christian gentleman, I am genuinely curious why you would qualify "Christian" in such a manner.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 19, 2014 11:39 AM  

I think this topic makes a lot of people nervous, hence the number of comedians on this thread desperately trying to joke about it.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 19, 2014 11:42 AM  

"Nazism a form of marxism is a Jew lie fit for consumption by dumb goyim."

It's usually the conservatives, Republicans, and patriotards who use this argument.

Plenty of dumb goyim to go around, sadly, these days.

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 11:45 AM  


It's usually the conservatives, Republicans, and patriotards who use this argument.


That I've never seen.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 19, 2014 12:12 PM  

LBF,

Count me out of the nervousness. This is coming whether we want to admit it or not. My ancestors dealt with it, we will have to as well.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 19, 2014 12:15 PM  

@ Stilicho

Christians accept both the Old and New Testament as Canonical. Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics go so far as to declare both doctrinally inerrant.

A culture that has it’s basis in both the Jewish and Christian Revelations can be described as Judeo-Christian. I admit you could just as easily call the culture simply Christian, but Christianity has its beginning in Genesis just like Judaism does.

I would argue that pre-WW I was the height of Judeo-Christian culture.

I also confess, because I am a bad person, that I use the term Judeo-Christian as a provocation towards those who labor under the delusion that there is some super secret Jewish plot to destroy the West.

Finally my brand of Libertarianism is ‘Nationalist Libertarian’.

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 12:25 PM  

Zhukov, fair enough. "Christian" encompasses the Hebraic roots all the way back to Genesis and distinguishes itself from Judaism which rejects Christ. I find it to be more precise, but ymmv.

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 12:37 PM  

I also confess, because I am a bad person, that I use the term Judeo-Christian as a provocation towards those who labor under the delusion that there is some super secret Jewish plot to destroy the West.

Elevated troll game. I approve.

Anonymous PA December 19, 2014 12:51 PM  

" "Christian" encompasses the Hebraic roots"

By that logic Mahometans' culture ought to be called "Judeo-Christo-Islamic."

And ours also needs "greco-roman" and "nordic-pagan" modifiers added.

Anonymous Viidad December 19, 2014 12:54 PM  

"the delusion that there is some super secret Jewish plot to destroy the West"

Super-secret? Heck, it's right out in the open.

Just watch Seinfeld.

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 1:00 PM  

Super-secret? Heck, it's right out in the open.

Just watch Seinfeld.


He just converted to Judaism for the jokes...

Anonymous VanDerMerwe December 19, 2014 1:02 PM  

Scumbag German left winger antifa in Poland.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c17_1321105476

Thank you Germans.

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 1:18 PM  

"Christian" encompasses the Hebraic roots

By that logic Mahometans' culture ought to be called "Judeo-Christo-Islamic."


You have it precisely backwards. No one who uses the term "Judeo-Christian" to describe the culture of the West can logically object to a Muslim using "Judeo-Christo-Islamic" to describe his own culture.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 19, 2014 1:18 PM  

I believe in a not so secret or predominantly jewish conspiracy to fk up everything. It all started with some nekid' woman prancing around a garden....

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 1:19 PM  


Just watch Seinfeld.


That's what they want you to do....

Anonymous Azimus December 19, 2014 1:21 PM  

Black Bart December 19, 2014 10:48 AM
To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.


Your chest should swell with pride! Closest thing the continent ever made to an Englishman! (and Englishmen are perfect, you know)

Anonymous PA December 19, 2014 1:21 PM  

"No one who uses the term "Judeo-Christian" to describe the culture of the West can logically object to a Muslim using "Judeo-Christo-Islamic" to describe his own culture."

That's what I said. If it wasnt clear up you, I object to the term 'Judeo-Christian."

Anonymous patrick kelly December 19, 2014 1:21 PM  

"Just watch Seinfeld.

That's what they want you to do...."

wvy yes, wve wvill make Seinfield the only show available on TV, 24/7, 365 and turn their brains into subservient mush..............bwahahahaha.........

but what if they just decide not to watch TV?


oooo...dratz....voiled again.............

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 1:33 PM  

@PA, my mistake then

Anonymous Quartermaster December 19, 2014 1:38 PM  

Grinder sez: “Nazism a form of marxism is a Jew lie fit for consumption by dumb goyim. The Jew nation wrecking whites are experiencing is the marxism.”

If you have never read “Mein Kampf” you need to do so. Hitler reveals what he was, and he was a Marxist.

Patrick Kelly sez: “It all started with some nekid' woman prancing around a garden....”

So nekkid wymins is a plot of the Jooooos? I’d better divorce my wife forthwith!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 1:42 PM  

Just to avoid confusion: I too often use the word "Judeo-Christian," but I do not mean the same thing ZhukovG does.

By Judeo-Christianity I mean something like a hermit crab with the shell of a gastropod, with Judaism being the crab and Christianity being the shell.

Or, from the Conan the Barbarian story Rogues in the House, Christianity was Nabonidus, the "Red Priest": not your buddy, but ultimately his blood was red and not black. Judeo-Christianity is Thak in Nabonidus' robes. You need to abandon your assumptions about what the wearer of those robes can and will do.

Regardless of one's opinion of the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth he was uncommonly shrewd in matters of religion, or at minimum the religion with which he was familiar. When he said to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees," I do not think that warning was needless. I think the leaven has been applied and the transformation has taken place.

When I refer to un-transformed Christianity, I use the word Christianity. (With no "Judeo".) For example, between Henry VIII and the Catholic Church in England, both sides were Christian, for better and worse; all parties, for all their faults, took for granted that European Man / Christendom should continue to exist, and all parties were interested in furthering the culture of European nations along Christian lines, even though Henry's ideas on that topic were destructive. In those days, nobody was calling for non-white and non-Christian mass immigration and the application of Sharia law in English courts.

Naturally Christians won't agree with my opinion on what has happened. From their perspective Christianity has never really altered and never can, as it is infallible, supernaturally protected against evil and so on. And that's fine.

It will just cause less confusion if people don't assume that because ZhukovG and I use the same word we're reading from the same page. We're not.

Anonymous Viidad December 19, 2014 2:00 PM  

Q: How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Oy... nevermind... (sigh)... I'll just do it myself...

Anonymous Mercy Vetsel December 19, 2014 2:03 PM  

Just found GotNews.com an excellent source of real journalism that is exposing important info that even "conservative" sites won't touch.

I found them by Googling for the full name of Jackie the UVA Hoax perpetrator. Jezebel (without a hint of irony) calls them Islamophobic so that was a huge plus. It turns out they've been digging out info on Jihadists that simply isn't available anywhere.

Another huge plus: They've also exposed UVA's repulsive hoaxer, Jackie Coakley:

http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-found-name-rape-uvahoax-jackie/

The left-wing fascists politicizing rape do a huge disservice to real victims and they need to be exposed for wretched harpies that they are.

Finally some REAL journalists with some REAL balls digging up REAL info.

Blogger harry December 19, 2014 2:04 PM  

My parents were Dutch. They also fought in the Dutch resistance against the Nazis. If they were alive, they might do it again.

Anonymous Libertarians require adult supervision December 19, 2014 2:04 PM  


Finally my brand of Libertarianism is ‘Nationalist Libertarian’.


Don't spend much time at the Reason website, I guess?

Anonymous Mel Brooks Rules December 19, 2014 2:07 PM  

Q: How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Oy... nevermind…don't bother. I'll just sit here in the dark, it's no trouble...

Anonymous Cheddarman December 19, 2014 2:07 PM  

"The hair. Oh God, the hair." - Porky


Porky, Geet is workin' the PHD -Preachers or Pentecostal Hairdoo...that is a calculated move to give him cross over appeal in the USA.

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 2:17 PM  

Don't spend much time at the Reason website, I guess?

Because all libertarians must adhere to the Reason party line?

Anonymous VD December 19, 2014 2:32 PM  

Nazism a form of marxism is a Jew lie fit for consumption by dumb goyim.

You have it backwards. Nazism is a form of Marxism is an uneducated white mistake. Nazism is a form of socialism; it is national socialism which is intrinsically opposed to the international socialism of Marxism.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 19, 2014 2:35 PM  

>We Libertarians suffer from a problem similar to other idealistic groups.

Despite numerous opportunities, Vox has yet to use the line "What do you mean 'we', Kemosabe?" I'm holding my breath over here.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 19, 2014 2:35 PM  

I believe it was Vox who coined the name ‘Nationalist Libertarian’.

My personal definition:

A political philosophy wherein the government is limited to acting as a, subordinate, defensive agent of the Nation’s physical, demographic and economic wellbeing.

Anonymous Porky December 19, 2014 2:37 PM  

@Cheddarman

I was thinking West Hollywood florist...but you're right - he could be angling for control of TBN now that Paul Crouch is worm food.

Anonymous Bobo December 19, 2014 2:38 PM  

"Pack up and move to Costa Rica where you belong old man."

We Costa Rican Colonists welcome all like-minded folks.
And here, we have all the guns.
(Of course, you could take over the whole country with a pocket knife and a pack of firecrackers)

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 2:40 PM  

(Of course, you could take over the whole country with a pocket knife and a pack of firecrackers)

Gentlemen, we have found the place to establish our ILKTOPIA

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 2:41 PM  

Nazism is a form of socialism; it is national socialism which is intrinsically opposed to the international socialism of Marxism.

If you can have national socialism and international socialism, couldn't you also have national capitalism and international capitalism?

Anonymous Poli_Mis December 19, 2014 2:52 PM  

Bobo, try that baloney in the slums of San Jose. They kill little kids and hang their shoes over the telephone lines almost daily. Though the thugs are from Honduras and not Costa Rica. And way more armed than the police.

Anonymous Libertarians require adult supervision December 19, 2014 3:37 PM  

Josh
Don't spend much time at the Reason website, I guess?

Because all libertarians must adhere to the Reason party line?

Sure seems that way sometimes.

ZhukovG
I believe it was Vox who coined the name ‘Nationalist Libertarian’.

That's how I remember it.

My personal definition:
A political philosophy wherein the government is limited to acting as a, subordinate, defensive agent of the Nation’s physical, demographic and economic wellbeing.

That kind of libertarian probably wouldn't need adult supervision. Of course, that kind of libertarian is so scarce as to be buried in statistical noise. And that kind of libertarian definitely wouldn't be welcomed at Reason, or at a Libertarian party convention, because raaaaaycism and "free movement" and so forth.

I think Heinlein's bifurcation of the term "anarchist" into "small mouthed" and "large mouthed" fits here fairly well, just substitute "libertarian" for "anarchist".

Anonymous Old Labour December 19, 2014 3:39 PM  

it is national socialism which is intrinsically opposed to the international socialism of Marxism.

It is in fact Old Labor, who protected the national ethnic peoples and rejected outright all migration and immigration of other colored folk and nationalities. Much to be desired over international jewish marxism.
Whites didn't kill tens of millions of each other in Europe for no purpose. It was for Globalism, ie. monopoly fiat capitalism, which the international Marxists in fact support. Not surprising that they cannot follow the money and connect the dots. The language used is simply deception.

The IMF and the bankers have no country., not do the politicians that serve them.

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am December 19, 2014 3:41 PM  

I also confess, because I am a bad person, that I use the term Judeo-Christian as a provocation towards those who labor under the delusion that there is some super secret Jewish plot to destroy the West.

It's no secret. It's done quite openly. It is mass media disseminated chutzpah...a celebrated, openly declared victory dance of Zionist Occupied Government.

All the proof I need do to offer to verify this statement is at anyone who cares to bother with a bit of Googling.

Dear Christians of our Post-Christian civilization, try and google the following phrase with your locale anywhere in the Post Christian West - USA, CA, AU, UK, EU: "{location} Menorah Lighting Ceremony 2014"

Red state, blue state, liberal or conservative, it matters not. Go ahead and try it, you'll see.

Examples:
Boise, ID Menorah lighting ceremony 2014
Houston, TX Menorah lighting ceremony 2014
Boca Raton, FL Menorah lighting ceremony 2014
London, UK
Toronto, CA
Melbourne, AU

In almost any and every locale you can think of, you'll find a Menorah lighting ceremony has been performed in a city center, town square, park, Government building or some other public facility. In most of these same public places, often times with honorary politicians and community leaders participating alongside Chabad Rebbes.

The "Separation of Church and State" has been used to keep Nativity scenes or any other Christian based displays and ceremonies from being performed.

Take the same search terms and replace "Menorah lighting ceremony" with "Nativity Scene" and you will be hard pressed to find any links to Nativity scenes being displayed on public property, only private properties and churches. You'll find plenty of links to protests and lawsuits from Jewish groups and Christian groups debating the court ordered rulings that separate Christianity from the public square...but in no place in the West has the Menorah Lighting Ceremony been excluded from the public.

The Jew World Order is not hidden, nor secret. The goyim have their eyes wide shut, as our global ZOG Wag the Dog with the Jewish-controlled mass media.


Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 3:43 PM  

Why are they harrassing a minority (nationalist) like that? Don't they realize that what they're doing will have a chilling effect on others of his kind?

Someone needs to report this criminal behavior to the ICJ...in Den Haag.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 3:45 PM  

So...we went from entering a nearly illegible text sequence into a box to clicking a check box and then entering a nearly illegible text sequence into another box before clicking Publish a second time.

Vast improvment, Blogger.

Anonymous Stilicho December 19, 2014 3:46 PM  

The "Separation of Church and State" has been used to keep Nativity scenes or any other Christian based displays and ceremonies from being performed.

True enough, but why would any self-respecting Christian wish his religion to be associated with this government?

Anonymous Grinder December 19, 2014 3:57 PM  

I have read Mein Kampf and I was saying that NS is not Marxist as some commenters here have asserted. The Jew lie is to smear all alternatives to cosmopolitan globalism as anything that is not fashionable that right thinking people should believe in. I've been a nationalist since way back before the ilk here figured out that the white race was imperiled by wide open free trade .

Anonymous Herman the German December 19, 2014 4:02 PM  

Very true. My entire family in Germany/Switzerland are armed to the teeth. Of course, having more than one employed national forester, both of whom are also all hunters probably helps. On yearly hunting trips to the Eiffel & the Saarland, we still use WW 1 German officers hunting rifles, though probably mainly because our selection and availability over there is tremendously limited compared to the U.S., but having foresters in the family with exclusive hunting rights _is_ indeed quite nice.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 4:05 PM  

RamBam: "Take the same search terms and replace "Menorah lighting ceremony" with "Nativity Scene""

Try looking for "christmas tree lighting ceremony 2014":

Daleville, Alabama:The city of Daleville celebrated the holiday season with the Daleville Christmas Parade and tree-lighting ceremony Dec. 5.

Chicago, Illinois:The City of Chicago is pleased to announce that the Atkinson Family Tree from Elgin, Illinois was selected to serve as this year’s Christmas tree on Daley Plaza. The 57-foot Colorado blue spruce will be lit at the 101st Annual Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony on Tuesday, November 25.

New York, New York:The Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree is a world-wide symbol of the holidays in New York City. The 2014 Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree will be lit for the first time on Wednesday, December 3

Mackinaw Island, Michigan:Christmas on Mackinac Island: Tree Lighting ceremony, Christmas Bazaar 2014

And of course, the National Christmas Tree:The 92nd Annual National Christmas Tree Lighting will be streamed live online on the White House Youtube Channel at 5 p.m. on Thursday, December 4, 2014 and broadcast on PBS throughout the month of December.

Not that this necessarily disproves your point, but you're going about making it the wrong way.

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am December 19, 2014 4:14 PM  

Not really. What does a Christmas tree lighting have to do with Jesus, Christianity or the birth of the Messiah? Many of the Menorah Lighting Ceremony's are done in conjunction with Christmas tree lighting.

I did note that you will find some exceptions, there are still some Christian communities that have resisted the Nativity and Crucifix purge in the public square. But you will not find anyplace for which the Nativity has been banned that the Menorah Lighting has not occurred on public property with some politician or leader in attendance.

Go ahead and check. I did at least 20 different locales before posting this here today.

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am December 19, 2014 4:34 PM  

Google "National Menorah Lighting 2014" Then "National Nativity Scene 2014"

Here's what I found.

At sundown last night, Vice President Joe Biden lit the first candle of the National Chanukah Menorah in Washington.U.S. Vice President Joe Biden at the annual lighting of the National Hanukkah Menorah in Washington, December 16, 2014.

He was quoted as saying “The central Jewish notion of religious freedom, of safety in your land, of being treated with dignity in your own community, not only led to the creation of modern Israel but it also formed the bedrock of the United States of America,” Biden said. “Jewish values are such an essential part of who we are that it is fair to say that Jewish heritage is American heritage.”

BUT …..What about this year’s National Nativity Scene?

The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene at Capital Hill this Christmas season. This isn’t for any religious reason. They simply have not been able to find Three Wise Men in the Nation’s Capital.The search for a Virgin continues. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable.


Oy Vey, the chutzpah of our ZOG. We are not a Judeo-Christian nation.

We are a Judeo > Christian nation.

Shalom!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 4:39 PM  

RamBam Thank You Ma'am; I did some searches as you suggested, and I think your point is valid.

This I call an instance of Judeo-Christianity.

Blogger Josh December 19, 2014 4:40 PM  

What does a Christmas tree lighting have to do with Jesus, Christianity or the birth of the Messiah?

/facepalm

Anonymous Bobo December 19, 2014 5:01 PM  

"Bobo, try that baloney in the slums of San Jose. They kill little kids and hang their shoes over the telephone lines almost daily. Though the thugs are from Honduras and not Costa Rica. And way more armed than the police."

You may well be right. We (Gringo expats under 65) have virtually nothing to do with San Jose. It's avoided like clear-thinking people avoid the Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans.
Here in GringoLandia, the north Pacific coast, we have things well in hand, I assure you.

Anonymous RamBam Thank You Ma'am December 19, 2014 5:17 PM  

/ facepalm

Yes, I understand. I'm certain my tactics here must be frustrating for the pro-Tribe contingent on the internet. I will not get into any further discussion on the "Christmas tree" and it's relation to Jesus Christ or Christianity. Not necessary. Let's keep the focus squarely on the topic of contention I raise here.

Nativity Scene = banned from the public square in most (but not all) locales in the West.

Menorah Lighting Ceremony = performed in almost every city and every town, often done in places for which the Nativity Scene has been publicly forbidden under the guise of "Separation of Church and State." And in most cases, almost always conducted by a Rabbi from a local congregation of Chabad, the Ultra-Orthodox Sect of Judaism.

If we are truly a society in perpetual pursuit of EQUALITY, than perhaps we need a public policy of the Separation of Synagogue and State as well. But I'm sure that won't be happening anytime soon.

As a follower of Jesus, it is my religious conviction and belief that it is a sin to bear false witness.

This is precisely why I make statements here, and then instead of offering selection-biased links favorable to my contentions, I merely offer google key search terms so that my claims can verified by any who wish to consider the veracity of my arguments for themselves.

You can use the typical tactics of the pro-Zionist shills like ad hominem, hostile invective, and calling me racist or 'anti-semitic' to DISQUALIFY as much as you like, but I need not convince you nor defeat you on either rhetorical or dialectical grounds.

I only need to convince the readers to google search as I suggest, and the truth is evident for any who care to see for themselves.

Shalom!

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 19, 2014 5:20 PM  

You've talked before about Europeans who have decided to take their nations back from the Muslim slow invasion. From what I've read of Mark Steyn, if they're serious, they need to start getting married and having and raising children. It doesn't matter how much patriotic spirit they stir up if the numbers simply aren't there.

What would you say about this? Am I misunderstanding something here? Are any of these nationalist movements recognizing this (and wondering what went wrong to begin with)?

Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 5:25 PM  

RamBam: "What does a Christmas tree lighting have to do with Jesus, Christianity or the birth of the Messiah?"

Hint: It's in the name. Go ahead, take your time; I'll wait. How SCOTUS could ignore this and not ban them outright on this basis alone still baffles me. I'll also note that those towns who wish to separate the two (the tree from the name) call it a 'holiday tree', and do so for exactly that reason. Those with balls still call it a 'Christmas tree'.

Lighting the Menorah is a cultural event for non-religious Jews also, in the same sense that lighting the Chrismas tree is one for non-Christians, too. Moreover, by ascribing promotion of these events to the "Jew World Order", you have removed any religious significance from it -- unless you also contend that only religious Jews make up the JWO?

"I did note that you will find some exceptions, there are still some Christian communities that have resisted the Nativity and Crucifix purge in the public square."

I think you have some misconceptions about the legal status of nativity scenes. They are not outright "banned", per se; any private person or organization can provide such a scene, for example, as long as public funds are not paying for it (as evidenced in this live display on public grounds outside SCOTUS. There are other malleable criteria (see here for an overview), which are not absolute, but they can still be erected as you yourself noted.

RamBam: "But you will not find anyplace for which the Nativity has been banned that the Menorah Lighting has not occurred on public property with some politician or leader in attendance."

Again, those events are akin to Christmas tree lighting ceremonies; cultural, not purely religious. Your argument would be better made to equate nativity scenes to a similar display in religious Judaism.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 5:41 PM  

@RamBam:

I see you persist in your attempt to equate the Menorah lighting with the Nativity scene, rather than with the Christmas tree lighting, as I feel is more appropriate and as your own quote proves:

"“The central Jewish notion of religious freedom, of safety in your land, of being treated with dignity in your own community, not only led to the creation of modern Israel but it also formed the bedrock of the United States of America"

No mention of God (in any of His names) in there at all; cultural values, not religious. But on this point, we apparently disagree, and is thus pointless to discuss further.

"As a follower of Jesus, it is my religious conviction and belief that it is a sin to bear false witness.

This is precisely why I make statements here, and then instead of offering selection-biased links favorable to my contentions
.
.
.
Here's what I found.
[Article selection with no source specified]
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Well, you're right about not providing a link. But you did provide a selection-biased quote favorable to your contentions.

I would call you a hypocrite but for that one technicality.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 19, 2014 6:34 PM  

True enough, but why would any self-respecting Christian wish his religion to be associated with this government?

Turn it around: if Christianity hadn't been so erased from public view, perhaps the government would still be something a Christian wouldn't mind being associated with.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 6:51 PM  

This age of corruption isn't on Jesus. The new Lords of Misrule are taking down his banners and running up their own, as RamBam Thank You Ma'am noted.

Implying Christianity is answerable for the corruption of this age because there are still Christmas trees is like saying it's all on paganism because Tiw, Woden, Thor, Frigga and Saturn still feature in days of the week. Time has moved on; different powers are obeyed. Whether they ought to be or not, they are.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 7:12 PM  

Kelfa23: "I think it will take a black swan event to really get a nationalist movement off the ground."

Keep struggling, never despair, and pray to any gods you believe in for a black swan event.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 19, 2014 7:17 PM  

"Implying Christianity is answerable for the corruption of this age because there are still Christmas trees"

Who implied that?

Blogger Tommy Hass December 19, 2014 7:34 PM  

"If Wilders is jailed for nothing more than defending the Dutch nation against their invaders, many of his jailers will not likely survive for long."

(laughs) Listen Vox: I know you have your own weird way of using words. But legal immigrants aren't and won't ever be "invaders". Scrap that idea.

I mean you can redefine the word "invasion" like feminists redefine "rape", but all that will do is make you a nationalist pendant to a bunch of genetic dead ends.

As for Wilders: what can I say? I don't think highly of guys who propose to ban books, especially the Quran, but it is only rational that a Dutchmen would wan't to prevent Muslims from entering his country, or even encourage those already there to leave. I wish he wasn't tried for his historically moderate opinions.

"Nazism is a form of socialism; it is national socialism which is intrinsically opposed to the international socialism of Marxism."

Wasn't this a mere marketing ploy by Hitler? I don't have the quote at hand, but I seem to recall that he claimed that the Socialism part was added to appeal to voters and nothing more. I also believe that the main socialist/pro worker part of the NSDAP got fucked in the Night of the Long Knives. If it was Socialist in the beginning, it wasn't anymore after that.

I also find your counterargument strange: you claim that my argument (If Hitler was a socialist, why did he kill so many socialists?) is wrong because so did Mao and Stalin. But there is a difference:the latter two did so because they weren't socialist enough. Hitler did so because he hated what they stood for. It's different.

Finally, I think it is your habit of using definitions for words that nobody uses. I understand that Socialism and Marxism aren't synonymous. Socialism predates Marx. But if you mention Socialism today, EVERYONE thinks of Marxism. It's just how it is. Your insistence on using the word in a way nobody else does is comparable to correcting people who refer to homosexuals as "gay" (straights/normal people can be gay/happy too)

Rightly or wrongly, when the average dumbass denies Hitler's socialism, what he really means is "Hitler wasn't a Marxist". And he's right. He wasn't.

I mean, you have no problem referring to liberals as liberals, even though they are anything but. You do not say that people who want small government are "the real liberals", you just call them libertarians. The same concession should be made to the idiots for the sake of praticality. IMO of course.

Anonymous Corvinus December 19, 2014 8:31 PM  

(laughs) Listen Vox: I know you have your own weird way of using words. But legal immigrants aren't and won't ever be "invaders". Scrap that idea.

I mean you can redefine the word "invasion" like feminists redefine "rape", but all that will do is make you a nationalist pendant to a bunch of genetic dead ends.


For the umpteenth time: immivasion and regret rape are hardly equivalent, for the obvious reason that the people harmed by immivasion aren't the same as the traitorous elites consenting to it -- against the wishes of the people. Poll after poll repeatedly show in most Western countries that people want immivasion reduced or put an end to, but the traitorous elites won't allow it.

Unless you want to go with the Lockeian concept of "consent of the governed", i.e., "inability to do a damn thing about it because vested interests like it". In which case, you can think of the corrupt Western elites as the rape victim's pimp.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 8:59 PM  

Hanukka wasn't always a big festival, but in competition with Christmas it's become increasingly important. Here's a book on it, from a familiar author.

There are people in Europe who support Israel, and have a deep sense of the injustice of the present situation. It's these people, such as our beloved author. It's these people who give hope to those who still believe that things will get better there. She believes the current wave of antisemitism in Sweden will pass, and that Jews have an important role to play in a country undergoing profound change.

Concordant with her other famous views, she may believe that there's a resurgence of antisemitism because at this point in time the white world has not yet learned how to be post-Christian. And she might think that her people are going to be part of the throes of that transformation -- which must take place -- white Christendom is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe and all Christendom to make. They are now going into a post-Christian and actively Zionist Judeo-Christian mode. And Jews will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Christianity will not survive.

Anonymous TroperA December 19, 2014 9:03 PM  

You've talked before about Europeans who have decided to take their nations back from the Muslim slow invasion. From what I've read of Mark Steyn, if they're serious, they need to start getting married and having and raising children. It doesn't matter how much patriotic spirit they stir up if the numbers simply aren't there

This. So very much this. Kicking the Muslims out won't make a jot of difference. They'll just wait around until the last pasty, bulbous, self-absorbed, grandchildless SWPL keels over from a heart attack while playing their Playstation XXIII and then move right in to the now-empty European buildings. Europe doesn't have an immigration problem. It has a "women being given total sexual freedom and choosing to ride the cock carousel and work as a Recruitment Coordinator so she can fill her closet up with designer shoes" problem.

Anonymous Too-Soon Ami December 19, 2014 9:06 PM  

He was quoted as saying “The central Jewish notion of religious freedom, of safety in your land, of being treated with dignity in your own community...led to the creation of modern Israel"


I've always felt that the worst side effect of a premature end to Obama's reign (impeachment; early retirement; "other"), would be that Biden would be muzzled by his handlers, thus denying us forever his unintentional comedy.

I quit watching SNL when they projectile-shat on Palin in 2008. Do they lampoon this shithead at all? If not, they should just cancel the show.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 19, 2014 9:54 PM  

When you consider the power they have, particularly their control of the entertainment mass media, the news mass media and academia, it's amazing they're now reduced to trying to lock people like Geert Wilders up.

Blogger Tommy Hass December 19, 2014 11:53 PM  

"Poll after poll repeatedly show in most Western countries that people want immivasion reduced or put an end to, but the traitorous elites won't allow it."

Is that why right wing nationalist parties are so unpopular?

They may think so, but they care more about not being thought of as racist. They may want less immigration, but when having to choose between ("less/no immigration" ^ "being a racist") and ("immigration as it is now" ^ not"being a racist"), they'll pick the latter everytime.

If what you say is true, Front Nacional and UKIP should easily win the elections in a landslide. (I'm talking 50%+ on their own) They won't though, because it's wrong.

And immivasion is called that way, because borderjumpers are genuinely invaders.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 20, 2014 12:15 AM  

"Implying Christianity is answerable for the corruption of this age because there are still Christmas trees"

WaterBoy: "Who implied that?"

Nobody in this thread yet. I anticipated it.

Perhaps I am too used to talking to pagans for whom everything is the fault of Christians and Christianity. No it isn't.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 20, 2014 12:28 AM  

Man, if this speech policing in Europe continues, we may have to one day launch "Operation Ilk" and break Vox out of a maximum security Hague prison.

Anonymous Sanne December 20, 2014 3:43 AM  

Tommy, there are all sorts of reasons people don't vote for nationalist parties, which have nothing to do with being called a racist.

Anonymous Michael December 20, 2014 9:36 AM  

Cali Corishev, "Turn it around: if Christianity hadn't been so erased from public view, perhaps the government would still be something a Christian wouldn't mind being associated with."

Here's the thing. The government, on a local level, actively suppresses Christmas displays. All it takes is for one person to complain, typically an atheist, that it's "offensive," yet notice how they never take into consideration how these brazen acts of censorship offend far more of the population. How is this right?

Also, note how over time other religious celebrations have propped up to coincide with Christmas so as to compete with it, such as Hanukkah and Ramadan. Christmas is routinely mocked in the mainstream because they hate it and know that we're not going to react violently to their provocations.

It's a strategy in line with that of Sun Tzu, always making sure to drag us into the battlefield on their terms. They redefine norms and standards on a whim and then thrust their redefinition upon the majority, knowing full well of the inherent moral conflict they're creating, by claiming that they're championing some noble cause. All of this is happening because we allowed one virulently anti-Christian group to take control of our government, currency, media and academia. They openly mock, ridicule and censor our traditions while we're expected to show courtesy and respect for theirs.

Nobody should be surprised; it's just history repeating itself.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus December 20, 2014 11:17 AM  

You have it precisely backwards. No one who uses the term "Judeo-Christian" to describe the culture of the West can logically object to a Muslim using "Judeo-Christo-Islamic" to describe his own culture.

In fact, Islam could be described that way precisely, since Islam is essentially a cobbled-together amalgam of various strands of Jewish, Christian, Samaritan, pre-Islamic pagan, and Judeo-Christian (using a specialized definition of the term that difference from modern American usage) traditions.

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 20, 2014 12:59 PM  

“The central Jewish notion of religious freedom, of safety in your land, of being treated with dignity in your own community, not only led to the creation of modern Israel but it also formed the bedrock of the United States of America"

Surely you jest.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 20, 2014 6:55 PM  

Oops, turns out I'm wrong. Vox has done the Kemosabe reference already.

Anonymous Discard December 23, 2014 5:51 AM  

Tommy Hass: Rudyard Kipling was born in India. His parents presence was completely legal. The indigenous people supported the ruling government, going so far as to serving in their armies domestically and far overseas. The Amitsar massacre was carried out by Indian soldiers, not British. All this was accepted at the time by those who benefitted from the system, just as 3rd World immigration to the West is today.
Yet we all now recognize that Kipling was not an Indian, that the government was not legitimate, and that the British had to leave.
It will be the same for the Third Worlders in Western countries. If you behave you can come back and visit, as tourists.

Anonymous Discard December 23, 2014 6:00 AM  

A menorah is a Jewish religious symbol. A cross is a Christian religious symbol. Lighting a tree is not a religious ceremony.
Judaism is the privileged religion of a privileged class.

Anonymous Discard December 23, 2014 6:04 AM  

The phrase "Judeo-Christian" was unknown in my youth. It is a sign of Jewish power and the cowardice of Christian clergy to afford Judaism equal status with Christianity.

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