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Monday, December 08, 2014

The banality of US evil

ESR rightly identifies a problem much worse than racism:
Eric Garner was black. The policeman who choked him to death was white.

Some people want to make this horror about race. I find myself wishing they were right – that just once, the racial grievance peddlers weren’t basically making up inflammatory crap that canonizes thug trash like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Because as bad as violent racism is, I’m afraid that what actually killed Eric Garner was something far worse.

The truly terrifying thing about Eric Garner’s death is that I don’t think the cops in that video hated anybody. They were just doing their job. And their job included strangling a man to death for having sold “loosies” – untaxed cigarettes. Something he wasn’t doing when he was killed; he had just broken up a fight that the police came to investigate.

Garner had just broken up a fight. The police hassled him, based on his record as a (gasp!) vendor of untaxed cigarettes, and when he protested the force of law came down on him and snuffed him.

In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote a book called Democracy In America that has been justly celebrated for its perception about the young American republic ever since. In it, he warned of the dangers of what he called “soft despotism” – that “covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules”, all justified in soothing ways to achieve worthy objectives. Such as discouraging people from smoking by heavily taxing cigarettes.

Eric Garner died in a New York minute because “soft despotism” turned hard enough to kill him in cold blood. There was no anger there, no hate; the police simply failed to grasp the moral disproportion between the “crimes” he wasn’t even committing at the time and their use of force. And an investigating grand jury did no better.

Violent racists, as evil as they are, generally understand on some level that they’re doing wrong. That understanding is written all over the excuses they make. These cops didn’t need an excuse. They were doing their job. They were enforcing the law. The casual, dispassionate, machinelike brutality with which Garner was strangled reveals a moral vacuum more frightening than mere racism could ever be.
Americans find themselves living in a country where people can be freely killed, without hesitation or consequences, by the police for the "crime" of simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To call it "the Land of the Free" is darkly morbid sarcasm indeed.

The anger expressed in the Ferguson riots was misplaced, but not entirely illegitimate. There is a serious cancer in the United States and it has fully metastasized in the police forces across the country. It is yet another sign that all is not right on Main Street USA these days.

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91 Comments:

Anonymous sawtooth December 08, 2014 1:07 PM  

But it's only for our own good, don't cha know.
















Blogger Weouro December 08, 2014 1:10 PM  

Here I'm stuck between despising the liberal crying about a morbidly obese, belligerent black man who, if he had just shut his mouth and cooperated wouldn't have died as a result of his belligerence and obesity and the liberal imposition of stupid laws to govern minutia. But what I find most irritating is the use of the death of the morbidly fat and belligerent black man as a reason for even closer governance of minutia.

Anonymous Daniel December 08, 2014 1:11 PM  

Remember the Main Street!

Anonymous Daniel December 08, 2014 1:13 PM  

Weouro, are you suggesting that belligerence should be punished by death?

Anonymous Michael Maier December 08, 2014 1:16 PM  

I thought I remembered that Mr. Garner had done something "good" instead of selling cigarettes. But the other night., NONE of the top Googled articles mentioned he'd broken up a fight.

That didn't matter, he was just a Little Person. Someone to hassle.

Then to kill.

As for the asshats making excuses for the pigs on that link ("He didn't die of oxygen deprivation" and "he fought the pigs so he should expect to die"), I am losing patience with these stupid bastards.

Have a piggie die of a heart attack involved in apprehending a suspect.

What happens?

The media and the police union will forthrightly blame the pig for his own death for being out of shape.

Right?

Anonymous ThirdMonkey December 08, 2014 1:20 PM  

The cops were NOT doing their job. One of the aspects of their job is using reasonable judgment. Choking and dogpiling a man for assaultint another citizen or theft of another citizen is reasonable, but circumventing onerous tobacco taxes by selling loosies is not. We rebelled against a king, in part, over a tax on tea.

OpenID ar10308 December 08, 2014 1:22 PM  

Belligerence in the face of the government machine will provoke a response from the government machine. That response might kill you unless you are prepared.
It's an observed cause and effect when dealing with the government machine.

Anonymous Lana December 08, 2014 1:24 PM  

The link does not go to the article quoted, fyi.

Anonymous DrTorch December 08, 2014 1:25 PM  

Good commentary.

My SIL is all in favor of more law and order. Every layer is surely needed to add safety and security "we" need.

Last year a UVa co-ed was accosted by undercover cops as she bought bottled water at a convenience store late at night. They were looking for alcohol purchases made by "underage" college students. My niece goes to UVa too. While I wish her no ill, maybe my SIL would start to see the light if my niece got into a similar situation.

Anonymous Earl December 08, 2014 1:28 PM  

All of this outrage, from the SJWs and the cop haters, is amplified and projected by social media and the saturation of video recording devices in public.

Every single instance, anywhere, of anything, whether rape or crossing the thin blue line, is subject to a national outrage, thus painting a vivid picture of America that did not exist for most people prior to social media and cell phone cameras.

As the number of outrageous incidents drop, the outrage from any single given incident increases! The mentality seems to be: "We are so close to uptioa, yet this one incident keeps us back, and should never happen again, and we can stop it if we just do A, B, and C, and do it NOW."

We went though the Industrial Age, the Information Age, and now we are in the midst of an OutrAge.

Anonymous joe doakes December 08, 2014 1:33 PM  

The minimum to become a Minnesota Licensed Peace Officer is a two-year vo-tech degree plus pass a state test. Does any 21-year old possess the mature judgment to hold life-and-death power?

Blogger Tommy Hass December 08, 2014 1:37 PM  

Let's be clear: he wasn't choked to death. He was choked and had a heart attack. Indirectly killed. Choked to death implies death by strangulation as a direct cause.

But the cop wasn't doing his job either. That choke is illegal for police officers. Just because that guy probably likes watching MMA doesn't mean he should use it on an unsuspecting citizen.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2014 1:39 PM  

Does any 21-year old possess the mature judgment to hold life-and-death power?

17 year olds can enlist with parental approval...

Blogger Josh December 08, 2014 1:40 PM  

Let's be clear: he wasn't choked to death. He was choked and had a heart attack. Indirectly killed. Choked to death implies death by strangulation as a direct cause.

Michael Brown wasn't shot to death, he just died of blood loss...

Blogger Joel C. Salomon December 08, 2014 1:41 PM  

Corrected link: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6557

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 08, 2014 1:41 PM  

"the Land of the Free"

Land of the spree, home of the crave case.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 08, 2014 1:46 PM  

>We rebelled against a king, in part, over a tax on tea.

If nothing else sets the spark to this powderkeg, we know that Big Mommy will eventually go after coffee.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus December 08, 2014 1:51 PM  

As for the asshats making excuses for the pigs on that link ("He didn't die of oxygen deprivation" and "he fought the pigs so he should expect to die"), I am losing patience with these stupid bastards.

They sound a lot like many FReepers. Whenever I need a reminder of just how dumb many conservatives can be, I drop by Free Republic and get on a thread involving a story about police brutality, and just observe the boot-droolers in action.

Anonymous VD December 08, 2014 1:55 PM  

The link does not go to the article quoted, fyi.

Fixed, thanks.

Anonymous JN December 08, 2014 2:00 PM  

...just how dumb many conservatives can be,

I think that comes from never being on the receiving end of a pig power trip.

Anonymous pseudotsuga December 08, 2014 2:01 PM  

No Josh, Tommy Hass is right--Brown wasn't choked to death. It's a small point, but remember that accuracy matters.
However, he would probably not have died of a heart attack right then and there had he not been accosted by the police. So yes, the police inadvertently contributed to his death.
I had not heard or read that Brown was involved in breaking up a fight. I did know that he was "resisting arrest" for something that he had done in the past (but wasn't doing at that moment). It certainly seems asinine to me that selling of loose cigarettes is a cause for arrest and jail. That's a criticism of the vast, confusing and constrictive legal code rather than the cops whose job it is to enforce it.
I know some people who work as LEOs, and the ones I know are decent Christian folks. (I'm sure there are bad ones out there whom I haven't met, knock on wood). But whether they are good or bad people, if they are required to enforce laws like this, then they are complicit. It's certainly a no-win situation for everybody except those who profit from such a law as no loosie sales.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 08, 2014 2:05 PM  

Tommy Hass: "Let's be clear: he wasn't choked to death. He was choked and had a heart attack."

Max: You killed him?
Vincent: No, I shot him. Bullets and the fall killed him.
- Collateral

Blogger Max Johnson December 08, 2014 2:10 PM  

I just come her to watch Josh get his smart ass schooled.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2014 2:11 PM  

I just come her to watch Josh get his smart ass schooled.

Haters gonna hate

Blogger Max Johnson December 08, 2014 2:12 PM  

That line isn't yours. You ripped it off from a movie. Think for yourself.

Blogger Max Johnson December 08, 2014 2:13 PM  

That line isn't yours. Give credit to Taylor Swift.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 08, 2014 2:17 PM  

pseudotsuga December 08, 2014 2:01 PM No Josh, Tommy Hass is right--Brown wasn't choked to death. It's a small point, but remember that accuracy matters.



Yeah, and it's death penalty murder if you "resist arrest" and a pig dies during "the altercation".

The pigs had no probable cause to harass Mr. Garner and they set in motion actions that led to Mr. Garner dying.

Should be a death penalty case to me but they're pigs and pigs are more equal.

If his son killed the pigs involved, I might cheer.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 08, 2014 2:22 PM  

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Anonymous Bah December 08, 2014 2:23 PM  

Americans find themselves living in a country where people can be freely killed, without hesitation or consequences, by the police for the "crime" of simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And the crime of resisting arrest for breaking a law that is in force, but whatever.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2014 2:25 PM  

That line isn't yours. Give credit to Taylor Swift.

Hater.

Don't hate the player hate the game.

Anonymous ZhukovG December 08, 2014 2:26 PM  

As a former cop, I have to admit that even way back when I had a badge….and a gladius, we still were quite arrogant in our view of the public. So there was already some poison in the system. But, we also generally avoided confrontations when we could.

If I had got a call about a fight and responded, I would have walked up and said, “Sir ( always start with Sir or Ma’am ), I was called about a fight can you please tell me what happened.” I would keep my distance and maintain a non threatening, but watchful, posture. He would tell me the fight was over and I’d ask to be sure no one was hurt and then thank him and take my leave. I would report to dispatch that there was no fight going on and that would be it.

Most importantly, I wouldn’t have any stupid paperwork to do.

Anonymous dantealiegri December 08, 2014 2:26 PM  

Getting angry at the police is like getting angry at your foot for stepping on something fragile, instead don't walk where you keep all the fragile stuff.

Talking about the choke is also a waste of breath. They went to subdue him because, that's what they do to people who resist arrest. We used to use clubs -- I'm sure no one is clamoring to return to them.

Note that they had just recently decided to prioritize the enforcement of selling of loose cigarettes. Anyone failing to see that as a political action needs to change their glasses.

Anonymous Porphyry December 08, 2014 2:28 PM  

One way the feds are sure to get away with police brutality: make it about race. Now if a white person get's killed we'll start hearing about media bias.

Blogger Ghost December 08, 2014 2:29 PM  

Tommy, IIRC, he died of compressions to the throat and CHEST. If compressions on the chest directly precede a heart attack, it's a safe bet that the two are related.

Anonymous Starbuck December 08, 2014 2:29 PM  

Americans find themselves living in a country where people can be freely killed, without hesitation or consequences, by the police for the "crime" of simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To call it "the Land of the Free" is darkly morbid sarcasm indeed. - VD

Question: Has this ever been the "Land of The Free" then? After all, sudden injustice has been with us from the beginning.

Anonymous Porphyry December 08, 2014 2:32 PM  

"Anyone failing to see that as a political action needs to change their glasses." to the American civilian with 3*10^-9% of a say in the matter the two are identical.

Blogger Thordaddy December 08, 2014 2:33 PM  

It seems as though this Garner case really has the anti-equalists seeking some zealously broad notion of "fairness."

"Vicious," "horrifying," "murderous..." These are the adjectives used by those just desiring "fairness."

Whichever side one comes down on, the actual aggressive act was tame. Vicious it was not. Horrifying? Like someone getting their head sawed off while still alive? Murderous only in the minds of those seeking immunity in the mobbing, molesting and murdering of white people.

The police won't pay for the pro-Garner ethos... Only the stupid "white" liberal on the street will.

Blogger Joshua Dyal December 08, 2014 2:33 PM  

No Josh, Tommy Hass is right--Brown wasn't choked to death. It's a small point, but remember that accuracy matters.
However, he would probably not have died of a heart attack right then and there had he not been accosted by the police. So yes, the police inadvertently contributed to his death.


Well, Tommy Hass was wrong about the choke hold being illegal.

Blogger David December 08, 2014 2:35 PM  

A bit of irony: A cop blog pointing out that if you don't want people killed when the cops enforce laws (about trivial crap), stop passing such laws.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13350456&postID=1056805981748556404

Perhaps that conclusion could have been reached a bit over 100 years ago....

Anonymous Lana December 08, 2014 2:36 PM  

A family member or group will eventually go after the police,but for now, here is one official denial that it's happening this time.

Anonymous Rip December 08, 2014 2:37 PM  

At no time did he resist arrest. The first cop went to try and search him (illegally) and when he refused the killer grabbed him from behind using what their own police manual defines as a "chokehold" (also illegal) and they pile on him, pinning one arm under so that he isn't physically able to comply.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler December 08, 2014 2:40 PM  

What about the store owners? Do they not have a say in what goes on?

Did Eric Garner pay taxes? Did Eric Garner pay property taxes? Did Eric Garner pay any thing to the state like income taxes? He may have paid sales taxes. The Store Owners paid all that. They have a right to ask the police to come in and arrest a guy for selling untaxed cigarettes.

European society is about "Social Order". Eric Garner was breaking that social order. This was the guy's ninth offense. Not for minutia but for breaking the law. St. Paul says for Christians to be respectful to all authority. Christ said "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesars". Did Eric Garner pay Caesar? No he did not.

The Store Owners paid Caesar and expect action on Caesar's part.

Everything I saw on the video was done right. I have no complaints. The man was resisting arrest and was taken down for that. When one complains about the treatment of Eric Garner and applauds his rebellion, well, what about the rebellion of women against the rightful authority of men? Authority is authority.

Eric Garner was physically unfit, on probation, and resisted arrest. Those are the causes of his death. Police are not to turn away when their authority is challenged. Men don't do that. When someone attacks men as pusillanimous, isn't it hypocritical to attack the police in this situation. The Grand Jury made the right decision.

Anonymous Rip December 08, 2014 2:42 PM  

No, he was NOT breaking the law. He had just broken up a fight. That's why the cops were called in the first place. They had no legal right to search him, much less arrest him. And he didn't resist arrest.

Blogger Crowhill December 08, 2014 2:47 PM  

We have silly things like the Paperwork Reduction Act, which requires federal agencies to put a notice in every regulation about how they are working to reduce paperwork.

Why can't we have an "I'm willing to kill somebody over this law" Act that requires everyone who votes for a new law to sign a statement that they're okay with the fact that people will probably die because of the law.

Blogger David December 08, 2014 2:50 PM  

At least Indiana's legislature had a clue, when in 2011 their Supreme Court declared any resistance to a cop, even if that cop was literally raping a man's wife right in front of him, was illegal.

In reading the terrified hand-wringing of leftist clowns at the time (declaring that now citizens would shoot cops by the train-car load), Huff Po actually got it right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/myths-and-misconceptions-_b_1596846.html
The ruling effectively barred anyone accused of using force against a police officer, for any reason, from arguing self-defense or the defense of others at a trial. At the time, critics pointed out that with the ruling, a man who uses force against a police officer who is raping his wife would not be allowed to argue in court that he was defending his family. The battered spouse of a police officer who fends off her husband could in theory be arrested and, under the ruling, wouldn't be permitted to argue self-defense.

Perhaps the pendulum will swing away from cops for a while. The entire notion that a monopoly, tax-supported organization can be trusted to be the legal repository of approved violence and "police itself" is categorically stupid.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2014 2:52 PM  

The man was resisting arrest and was taken down for that.

Did the police have probable cause to arrest him in the first place?

Anonymous Scintan December 08, 2014 2:52 PM  

Here I'm stuck between despising the liberal crying about a morbidly obese, belligerent black man who, if he had just shut his mouth and cooperated wouldn't have died as a result of his belligerence and obesity

The ridiculous mentality on display in the above quote is why we're screwed in the long run. We've just got too many stupid, ignorant and poorly educated people in the country.

Blogger David December 08, 2014 2:55 PM  

"Stop resisting" is the chant every thugscrum uses to tase, kick or choke until the costumed elite are too tired to keep swinging (or the battery runs down.) This is especially effective when the "criminal" is having an epileptic seizure or otherwise physically incapable of following the demands (often conflicting) of the beat-down squad.

After all, Job #1 is every cop goes home safe tonight. Job #2 (everyone else goes home safe) is distant enough to be located on another continent. Some animals are more equal than others.

Anonymous Randy M December 08, 2014 3:01 PM  

"Choking and dogpiling a man for assaultint another citizen or theft of another citizen is reasonable, but circumventing onerous tobacco taxes by selling loosies is not."

You assume people are more valuable to the state than revenue.

Blogger David December 08, 2014 3:13 PM  

"You assume people are more valuable to the state than revenue."

From birth to death, the state claims ownership of all, pretty much along the lines of chattel on a plantation in 1859 Georgia.

In that sense, people ARE revenue.

Anonymous Amok Time December 08, 2014 3:19 PM  

The days of small town police protection like Mayberry is long gone. Human life is no longer sacred. I wonder if this might not be connected to the huge number of aborted babies since the Supreme Court made it "OK"?

America has lost its way in more ways than one And, it never got better with our Affirmative Action President. UGH!!! Give him 5 asterisks in the Presidential List.

Blogger Max Johnson December 08, 2014 3:19 PM  

Shake it off

Anonymous jay c December 08, 2014 3:22 PM  

Most police, most of the time, are cool headed and avoid confrontation. But the few I know personally almost universally say that training, policies, and attitudes have all changed for the worse, especially in the last decade. Recruits resort to force much too easily, Average intelligence is decreasing, by design, while innate violent tendencies are rising, also by design.

It's all just cattle management. As David pointed out, "the state claims ownership of all, pretty much along the lines of chattel on a plantation in 1859 Georgia." I'll add that, in many third world country, as this one is quickly becoming (again, by design), that might be the most humane and effective method of keeping the peace.

America is dead. The questions have become, 1) Can anything worthwhile be made of the corpse? 2) What? 3) How?

I don't see any way to stem this downward spiral short of brutal & principled violence.

Blogger Max Johnson December 08, 2014 3:23 PM  

Between abortion and the police, we may just rid ourselves of the urban bonobos soon enough.

Blogger Thordaddy December 08, 2014 3:26 PM  

The end...

Dumb, dead "white" liberals as evidence of liberation from "white supremacy..." Mob, molested and murdered in the streets with impunity.

The means...

"They" viciously murdered that angelic black baby in cold blood.

And here come the alt-riters thinking they can congregate somewhere in the middle of this diabolical scheme.

Both the pig collective and the nigger collective is BOUND to see an increase in their respective autonomy's AT THE EXPENSE of lesser "white" liberals.

For the white male to be set against the cops = black male set against the niggers...

Maybe bold... Deadly dangerous... And no family or friend is about to join you. That's all.

Anonymous Anubis December 08, 2014 3:45 PM  

New York Daily News Reported "“Having that black sergeant in charge of that crime scene takes race out of the equation. As awful as Pantaleo’s actions appear on that video, at no time does that black sergeant order Pantaleo to stop choking Garner."
Also he was killed simply by putting his body prone due to the combination of obesity, sickle cell, and asthma. I am perfectly fine with putting criminals in handcuffs face down during arrests even if its deadly for those that wouldn't survive without western medicine. In fact it turns out that air is racist, Sickle cell blacks have problems on small unpressurized planes. Here is what the NIH says about it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1799937/

Anonymous Porky December 08, 2014 3:51 PM  

Americans find themselves living in a country where people can be freely killed, without hesitation or consequences, by the police for the "crime" of simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This is not new.

The only thing new is that we can see it all on youtube.

Blogger CarpeOro December 08, 2014 4:37 PM  

A Republic may be the best kind of government (don't know, haven't had one here in my life time) but it is the most difficult to maintain because it requires the most personal responsibility, We have a society that has sunk to its all time low of personal responsibility and are reaping the results.

Blogger Weouro December 08, 2014 4:37 PM  



"Weouro, are you suggesting that belligerence should be punished by death?"

No. Are you suggesting his death was a punishment?

Anonymous Big Bill December 08, 2014 4:50 PM  

Before I get sucked into the general tone of the thread and start hyperventilating about "killa pigs", I have a science question. What evidence is there (if any) that homicide-by-cop is increasing?

Anonymous Harold P December 08, 2014 4:53 PM  

"After all, Job #1 is every cop goes home safe tonight."

Thank God for that. Can you imagine our property and income taxes if "Job #1" was "going home dead every night"?

Anonymous Cail Corishev December 08, 2014 5:10 PM  

The cops were NOT doing their job. One of the aspects of their job is using reasonable judgment.

Not anymore. Twenty years ago, a cop pulled me over on the way home from the bar. I was a few blocks from home, so I pulled into my own driveway. I probably had a borderline alcohol level, but because I was reasonable and had a clean record, because I was home and was staying there, and because I had a cousin who was a respected cop, he used some discretion and walked away.

When I had dealings with the cops a couple years ago, they were just as friendly and respectful, but they showed no sign of using any judgment or discretion of their own. Just everything by the book, even stupid rules that obviously didn't apply to the situation in our small town, with no imagination or sense of humor at all.

I think libertarian-minded folks used to see that as a good thing: give cops discretion and they'll be corrupt and make up the rules to benefit themselves and their buddies, so lock them down with tight rules so they have to do their jobs like robots. Problem is, who's writing the rules they have to follow? As Garner discovered, disinterested and unimaginative cops can be dangerous too.

Blogger Weouro December 08, 2014 5:18 PM  

"The ridiculous mentality on display in the above quote is why we're screwed in the long run."

We're not screwed at all in the long run. It's the short run in which we're screwed. Because today the right to stupidity, belligerence and to not dying as a result of the seven deadly sins trumps the right to a good choke hold.

Blogger David December 08, 2014 5:22 PM  

There would be a goon shortage and people would reflex to private security, whose firms cannot displace their costs onto innocent 3rd parties and thus retain all the disincentives to excessive violence. Win-win, as I see it.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 08, 2014 5:25 PM  

Garner was a heart attack waiting to happen. Even if the police hadn't attempted a choke hold, any such strenuous activity would be sure to exacerbate his rotten health condition. But of course leftists have their narrative, and they're sticking to it.

As for real conservatives, it is obvious that the police state is in full bloom. Should LEO's be allowed to use force for what is essentially a misdemeanor, especially one that wasn't even being perpetrated at the time? Should such laws even have been in existence? A true conservative will answer resoundingly 'NO'.

The whole affair is an object lesson, but not in the way the reality-deprived narrative-driven will ever understand.

Anonymous Dingus McGee December 08, 2014 5:30 PM  

Just so you New Yorkers (and New Yorker wannabes) know, it is a crime to resist arrest. Has been for over fifty (50) years. By statute. Passed by the democratically elected New York State Legislature. When they say "you are under arrest", don't try to argue the case with the cop. Argue your case with the judge. You might win.

What I don't get is that Garner had rap sheet longer than my arm. He had been busted for selling loose cigarettes eight (8) times in the last 12 months. The cops had his MO down pat. So why did he decide to resist arrest this time, rather than (say) getting a job? Or just taking one more trip downtown? You know. Consider this bust like all the other busts to be just the cost of doing business.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 08, 2014 5:43 PM  

And furthermore...

An unhealthy black man... a minority with a long rap sheet, instead of being employed... no lower-level jobs being created by the economy, and those few in extent are taken by invader illegal aliens... onerous laws passed by a bloated nanny state... police supposed to enforce a burgeoning body of laws that nobody can keep up with... police considering everyone else a potential enemy and threat...

This list just goes on and on, and keeps getting bigger every instant of every day. The left has nobody to blame but themselves for creating this miserable State and state of affairs. Damn them all to hell.

Blogger Ghost December 08, 2014 6:03 PM  

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08-02/news/ct-met-kass-0802-20130803_1_butcher-type-kitchen-knife-park-forest-police-taser

Eric, here's another bastard whose own physical condition caused his death, amirite?

Anonymous Dingus McGee December 08, 2014 6:39 PM  

Clarification: The Model Penal Code, which has been ratified by a handful of states, holds that it is illegal to resist even an unlawful arrest. This rule, (which abrogates the common law rule that you may resist an unlawful arrest), has been enacted by at least the following states: California, Delaware, Illinois, New Hampshire, New York and Rhode Island.* There may be more.

The rationale for abrogating the traditional common law right to resist unlawful arrest is the desire to prevent unnecessary violence and let the matter be taken up in an orderly manner in court.

*See CAL. PENAL CODE §834a; DEL. CODE ANN. tit. 11, §1905 (1953); ILL. REV. STAT. ch. 38, §7-7 (1971); N.H. REV. STAT. ANN. §594.5 (1974); N.Y. PENAL LAW §35.27; R.I. GEN. Laws §12-7-10 (1969).

Anonymous p-dawg December 08, 2014 6:41 PM  

Remember, everyone: if they present the boot, you better lick it. Or else when they kill you, it's your fault. I mean, why didn't you just knuckle under and submit to your masters like a good dog?

Blogger Chris Mallory December 08, 2014 7:06 PM  

"shut his mouth and cooperated"

Because shutting up and licking boot leather is how we are supposed to respond to our employees?

One question, was this guy smuggling cigarettes? Or was he walking inside and buying a pack from the Paki shop owner then selling them one at a time?
If it was the second, the tax on the cigarettes had been paid.

The only good cops are the ones that are six feet under.

Anonymous pseudotsuga December 08, 2014 7:36 PM  

Chris Mallory: "The only good cops are the ones that are six feet under."
That seems rather extreme, does it not? Are there NO good cops anywhere?
I think that the evidence shows that the system is broken--our current legal system seems to be designed to create crime by over-criminalizing even trivial things, to detriment of citizens, cops, and the State itself.

Anonymous Curtis December 08, 2014 7:38 PM  

The rationale for abrogating the traditional common law right to resist unlawful arrest is the desire to prevent unnecessary violence and let the matter be taken up in an orderly manner in court.

Actually, that is only true IF the police are making a LAWFUL arrest. They still can not (but often do) just go around arresting people without justifiable probable cause.

For instance: If a cop comes into your house without a warrant, starts tearing apart your home looking for drugs, can't find any, and then starts beating you demanding to know where the drugs are, you have the RIGHT to use any force necessary to stop it.

Blogger Weouro December 08, 2014 8:06 PM  

Right, because if you're not acting black you're licking leather.

Blogger Ghost December 08, 2014 8:07 PM  

Pseudo,
Sure there are good cops. They just have to make a choice: stay good, or stay a cop. Can't do both.

Anonymous DT December 08, 2014 9:57 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler December 08, 2014 2:40 PM

They have a right to ask the police to come in and arrest a guy for selling untaxed cigarettes.

Nobody called and complained that he was selling untaxed cigarettes. He had broken up a fight.

European society is about "Social Order".

This isn't Europe.

This was the guy's ninth offense. Not for minutia but for breaking the law.

They arrested on the basis of laws that are for minutia.

St. Paul says for Christians to be respectful to all authority. Christ said "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesars". Did Eric Garner pay Caesar? No he did not.

This is not Rome, and we are not under Caesar. Our ancestors established a government subject to the people. We hold the authority, all of it, and our employees are to render unto us what is ours.

Everything I saw on the video was done right.

The cops had no probable cause, therefore no grounds to search or arrest. On top of that, the choke hold is illegal for NYPD officers to use.

When one complains about the treatment of Eric Garner and applauds his rebellion, well, what about the rebellion of women against the rightful authority of men?

Though some have pointed out how ridiculous the tax law is, no one is actually applauding the times he was caught selling cigarettes. He wasn't doing that this time. That's not why the cops were there.

As for the analogy to women rebelling against men, I don't recall Christ authorizing choke holds and death for disobedient wives.

Police are not to turn away when their authority is challenged.

Police do not have authority. The law has authority. Police orders and actions are only good in so far as they are in compliance with the law. These officers were not in compliance with the law in their attempted search and arrest, or the manner in which they executed their arrest. It was their arrogance that was challenged, not any rightful authority.

One of the problems is that we do not prosecute officers when their actions are in violation of the law. If the law says an officer may do XYZ with probable cause, that does not mean the officer may do XYZ any time at his discretion. If the probable cause never existed, then the officer is guilty of a crime, and should prosecuted to the same extent that any citizen would be for doing XYZ.

I realize there will be gray areas and I'm not against some discretion shown in favor of an officer. But violent arrest when there is blatantly no justification for it under the law should be treated for what it is: felony assault, kidnapping, false imprisonment, and in this case, manslaughter.

Until we hold our law enforcers accountable to the law, this awful arrogance and behavior on their part will continue.

Blogger SirHamster December 08, 2014 10:24 PM  

Nobody called and complained that he was selling untaxed cigarettes. He had broken up a fight.

There is a claim that store owners complained about him selling cigarettes. Competition + big black guy bothering potential customers.


The cops had no probable cause, therefore no grounds to search or arrest.

IIRC, in the video the cop told Garner he saw him selling cigs. That would be cause enough if true.

Anonymous Susan December 08, 2014 10:33 PM  

A development that was released today, is the female sarge that was in charge of the take down of Mr. Garner has been given immunity in this investigation.
If I understood the crappily written article, the only one who is in trouble is the cop that helped take him down. The sarge and the other two overweight cops could not have made the arrest without the cop who is in trouble.

Anonymous Hoss December 08, 2014 10:50 PM  

I don't see what the problem is: the black community loves an all-encompassing government, and a police-state that comes with it. I've just been experiencing schadenfreude at the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the grievance industry (but agree Garner's death was bullshit). The hands that feed you can also be the ones that strangle you.

Anonymous Curtis December 08, 2014 11:01 PM  

What is un-taxed cigarettes? Was he selling cigarettes that were not tax stamped? Or, did he buy cigarettes that were taxed and then sold them? WTF is the problem? If he bought these cigarettes along with the tax, it is now his property to do with as he pleases. Oh! Wait! Caesar!

And yeah Wheeler, give unto Caesar. Millions do every year, and they are now Caesars children, not Gods.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 09, 2014 12:32 AM  

Most police, most of the time, are cool headed and avoid confrontation. But the few I know personally almost universally say that training, policies, and attitudes have all changed for the worse,

I'll second that. I know several people ( and they claim to know dozens more) who've gone down the following path:

1) Joined the military, because of patriotism and desire to serve their country
2) Left military due to lack of confidence in leadership and mission
3) Became Police Officer from desire to "protect and serve"
4) Left police work due to lack of confidence in leadership and mission
5) became firefighter or EMT to meet desire to serve their community.



Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 09, 2014 2:44 AM  

W.LindsayWheeler: "When one complains about the treatment of Eric Garner and applauds his rebellion, well, what about the rebellion of women against the rightful authority of men?"

If what the police did to Eric Garner was what "the rightful authority of men" meant for women, feminism would be correct.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 09, 2014 2:54 AM  

The worst qualification for demanding authority is a demonstration that you do not understand or respect the reasonable limits of authority; that you think it's appropriate to treat those over whom you hold "authority" as enemies within your power; and that you call aggression, brutality and reckless disregard for life "authority".

Anonymous Anonymous December 09, 2014 4:16 AM  

I appear to have stumble on a white supremacist blog.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 09, 2014 9:02 AM  

" what about the rebellion of women against the rightful authority of men?"

So Wheeler, which women do you have authority over other than your wife and daughters? If you try to assert your "authority" over my wife and daughter, you will face the prospect of violence from me. Now, run along and go kneel before a child molester.

Anonymous rienzi December 09, 2014 12:57 PM  

pseudosuga said: Chris Mallory: "The only good cops are the ones that are six feet under."
That seems rather extreme, does it not? Are there NO good cops anywhere?


As an old guy, I can say that in over 50 years I have had not one single encounter with the police in which they did not act like sh*thead a**holes. Not in the USA, not in Mexico, not in Sweden, and especially not in France.

Half of them ought to be locked up in padded cells, and the other half ought to be doing something positive for society, and within their abilities, like riding on the back of your local garbage truck.

Anonymous rienzi December 09, 2014 12:58 PM  

Anon: I appear to have stumble on a white supremacist blog.


And the problem is?

Anonymous RC December 09, 2014 1:20 PM  

One victim of police injustice fights back.

Blogger Weouro December 09, 2014 3:22 PM  

"So Wheeler, which women do you have authority over other than your wife and daughters? If you try to assert your "authority" over my wife and daughter, you will face the prospect of violence from me. Now, run along and go kneel before a child molester."

Oh you got him good, brutha! You bad. In a sane world not populated with wrath-filled retards like you and Michael Brown, men in general are trusted with authority over and responsibility for women and children in general.

Blogger Anthony December 09, 2014 6:37 PM  

A big part of the problem is racial integration, and loosening of social controls in society generally, and on blacks in particular. As Vox says, diversity plus proximity equals war. Well, that was got fought in the 70s and 80s, and urban police are the occupying army. Being occupiers will corrupt a police force (or army) in predictable ways.

White cops have a pretty good idea which white people are criminals, but it's less obvious to most of them which black people are. (The converse is true, too.) So a noncriminal white person will get less hassle from the cops than a black person, and a white criminal will have a set of common expectations with the white cops, leading to less brutality against white criminals. (Older cops will have learned the patterns of other people's communities, but they're also less likely to get violent in general both from age and cynicism.)

A contributing factor is that a majority of the black population wants criminals suppressed (the majority is smaller than among white, but it's still a majority), but have different standards for low level disorder than whites (and particularly white cops), and most Black's don't realize how many of their relatives are involved in some kind of crime. And there aren't enough black cops to police all the black neighborhoods, so inevitably, a white cop will arrest a relative, and treat him badly according to the mores of the black community. This reinforces the distrust between black people and white cops.

Anonymous zippo December 14, 2014 1:00 PM  

A tangential point, but, who the hell buys a loose, unwrapped cigarette from a strange man on the street who probably sounded like a crook or a huckster?

This case smells really fishy but I don't know enough about it (the Mike Brown one was open and shut by contrast). But two things you have to keep in mind about NYPD culture...

a) the Broken Windows theory of policing (viz., hassling suspicious troublemakers over petty bullshit to prevent escalation to serious crime) has worked brilliantly in NYC. They probably thought the guy looked iffy, and did what their institutional culture has shown is a success, even if they weren't following proper procedure.

b) blacks in NYC and surrounding areas have a long history of harassing the police, making sudden moves around them, doing odd things to spook them, generally trying to provoke them. I knew a cop who routinely had bags of trash tossed at him from apartment rooftops. Enough of that and your nerves get frayed and your judgment probably suffers. Not that that excuses this case, but it's stuff to keep in mind.

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