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Tuesday, December 02, 2014

The Cultural Collapse Progression

Roosh has written a truly insightful article concerning the way in which a cultural collapse proceeds:
The Cultural Collapse Progression

1. Removal of religious narrative from people’s lives, replaced by a treadmill of scientific and technological “progress.”

2. Elimination of traditional sex roles through feminism, gender equality, political correctness, cultural Marxism, and socialism.

3. Delay or abstainment of family formation by women to pursue careerist lifestyles while men wait in confused limbo.

4. Decreasing birth rate among native population.

5. Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse.

6. Immigrant refusal to fully acclimate, forcing host culture to adopt external rituals and beliefs while being out-reproduced.

7. Natives becoming marginalized in their own country.
It's particularly interesting how he traces it back to the removal of the religious narrative, given that he is not, to the best of my knowledge, a religious man.

He writes: "Cultural collapse is the decline, decay, or disappearance of a native population’s rituals, habits, interpersonal communication, relationships, art, and language. It coincides with a relative decline of population compared to outside groups. National identity and group identification will be lost while revisionist history will be applied to demonize or find fault with the native population. Cultural collapse is not to be confused with economic or state collapse. A nation that suffers from a cultural collapse can still be economically productive and have a working government."

However, I would note that conomic and state collapse are very likely to follow as a consequence of the cultural collapse, particularly if the marginalized natives were historically more economically productive than their replacements.

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Anonymous Anonymous December 02, 2014 10:35 AM  

One could also add in: the normalization of perversion along with the elimination of sex roles...

Apollyon

Blogger Pinakeli December 02, 2014 10:54 AM  

Much of that perversion is a direct result of feminism. When men and women are equal in all things, and can be interchanged in all things, then men can "marry"men and women "marry" women.

Wait until animal rights become law!

Anonymous Axe Head December 02, 2014 10:55 AM  

A disintegrating culture loses its resilience in dealing with the challenges that life brings. That includes economic challenges, so yes, it is very likely that a collapsing culture also means a collapsing economy.

Anonymous The other skeptic December 02, 2014 10:56 AM  

The elites have to be taught the meaning of consequences ...

Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 11:00 AM  

It's particularly interesting how he traces it back to the removal of the religious narrative, given that he is not, to the best of my knowledge, a religious man.

Do you suspect his pursuit of truth will lead to a pursuit of The Truth?

Anonymous ZhukovG December 02, 2014 11:02 AM  

It could be argued that all 7 have already taken place in the United States and Europe. However, this has occurred while Europeans in both areas still comprise significant majorities.

This is either a gross mistake by over eager progressives, or it is part of the plan. Perhaps the elites hope that the European populations can be acclimated to the new reality while still feeling demographically superior.

This may work in the US with its shallow cultural roots. But in Europe, where the roots of Christendom run deep, I believe the Europeans will rise up and retake their nations.

Blogger Eric Wilson December 02, 2014 11:10 AM  

Looks like something Samuel Adams said:

"Is it not high time for the people of this country explicitly to declare, whether they will be freemen or slaves? It is an important question which ought to be decided. It concerns us more than anything in this life. The salvation of our souls is interested in this event. Immorality of every kind comes in like a torrent. It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice. For they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interests are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together. For this reason, it is always observable, that those who are combined to destroy the people's liberties, practice every art to poison their morals. How greatly then does it concern us, at all events, to put a stop to the progress of tyranny. It has advanced already by far too many strides. We are at this moment upon a precipice. The next step may be fatal to us." Samuel Adams, October 5, 1772

Anonymous Stilicho December 02, 2014 11:16 AM  

This is either a gross mistake by over eager progressives, or it is part of the plan.

It is a mistake. A huge miscalculation. Leftists have run amok for so long without any resistance but token resistance that amounts to cooperation that they understandably thought they had won the war. We now see evidence of this daily with leftists crowing of their victory, claiming and acting as if no resistance to their agenda is even possible and they simply cannot comprehend a scenario where such resistance would triumph. Of course, in their eagerness to claim victory, they have failed to notice that the opposing team hasn't even taken the field. Yet. The Saxon is beginning to hate.

Anonymous Beau December 02, 2014 11:17 AM  

Here's a pre-Great Awakening quote,

It is come, I know not how, to be taken for granted, by many persons, that Christianity is not so much as a subject of inquiry; but that it is, not at length, discovered to be fictitious. And accordingly they treat it, as if, in the present age, this were an agreed point among all people of discernment; and nothing remained, but to set it up as a principal subject of mirth and ridicule, as it were by way of reprisals, for its having so long interrupted the pleasures of the world.

Heavenly Father, send another great awakening to us this hour. Prepare our hearts to receive our King. Make straight the paths of the Lord. Amen

Anonymous Stilicho December 02, 2014 11:20 AM  

@ Eric, note that Adams' call to action, for all of its urgency, was issued 4 years before independence was declared and the war begun. These things take time and as we stand upon another such precipice, it behooves to remember this and not despair of our countrymen's tardiness.

Anonymous Mark Plus December 02, 2014 11:25 AM  

Religions produce empirically observable effects on human behavior, but it doesn't follow from this fact that a god has to exist. Even christians characterize competing religions as delusions based on imaginary deities, since it has fallen out of fashion to attribute these other faiths to renegade supernaturals in the christian system called demons.

Anonymous Gara December 02, 2014 11:30 AM  

It could be argued that all 7 have already taken place in the United States and Europe.

How exactly are americans being FORCED to adopt external rituals and beliefs, as per point 6?

Also, there were probably those who considered that preventing women from getting college degrees was part of the "culture" back then, and that giving women the same oportunities as men would be an example of "cultural collapse".

Anonymous Scooter December 02, 2014 11:31 AM  

The elites have to be taught the meaning of consequences ...

And that those consequences will never be the same...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 02, 2014 11:40 AM  

What has been destroyed culturally can be restored. It is hard work and takes loads of willpower, but it can be done. Remember, England was Christianized, but then was conquered by the Vikings and turned back to pagan worship. It took decades, but the successors to Saint Patrick were able to re-Christianize the island.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 02, 2014 11:44 AM  

Mark Plus December 02, 2014 11:25 AM Religions produce empirically observable effects on human behavior, but it doesn't follow from this fact that a god has to exist. Even christians characterize competing religions as delusions based on imaginary deities, since it has fallen out of fashion to attribute these other faiths to renegade supernaturals in the christian system called demons.

"SOME Christians". Not all folks follow "fashion".

Anonymous BluntForceTrauma December 02, 2014 11:45 AM  

Like hardwood flooring suffering from dry rot, a collapsed culture still looks normal from the surface, but put any weight on it and it crushes into a spongy, dusty powder.

Blogger YIH December 02, 2014 11:47 AM  

5. Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse.
That one made me roll my eyes. If anything open immigration policies will hasten collapse.
Because the ''immigrants'' consume more in services (of all kinds) than they generate in productive activity.
An example would be 0bama's ''Dreamers'' that arrived en masse this past summer.
You name it, food, healthcare, law enforcement/confinement ''schooling'' (if you want to call it that) are all bills that have to be paid before being productive - if they ever even become productive in any way.

OT: Major power outage in Detrafrica. Looks like Fergidishu was a ''preview of coming attractions''

Anonymous Will Best December 02, 2014 11:51 AM  

Put tariffs on goods from third world hellholes, close the border, and kick the illegals out. Dramatically curtail single motherhood benefits. Should result in stable families, on single incomes.

My neighborhood is one of the top 5% zipcodes in terms of income in the country, which should and does indicate a lower birth rate. However, I don't know a SAHM around here with less than 2 kids, a substantial minority have 3, and a few even have 4. What brings it down is the working mother crowd which are a majority single child families with the occasional 2-child family sprinkled in.

Anonymous Greg December 02, 2014 11:52 AM  

There is nothing to worry about. I'm 31 and every young white person I know married somewhere in the age 24 to 27 range and are starting to have families.

White fertility is below replacement level but that is becuase is undesireable (for lack of a better term) white people are not having children.

Every succesful well adjusted white person I know has multiple children by the age of 35.

The white race is engaging in eugenic breeding so I think the future looks bright.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 11:53 AM  

It's better to see this as a total pattern than as a set of steps that must occur in a certain order.

I have in mind How The West Really Lost God: a new theory of secularization, by Mary Eberstadt, where she emphasizes the harmful effect on the transmission of religion due to the destruction of traditional marriage.

Anonymous cheddarman December 02, 2014 11:56 AM  

In my opinion, the elites will short circuit their own efforts to destroy western civilization. They are pushing too hard on the system and will break it before they can replace it with their intended new system(s). Adopting an economic system based on crony capitalism, massive government interference in the economy, central banking and fiat money combined with a large and growing welfare/warfare states will guarantee a system failure and a single or series of economic collapses. I doubt the elites will be able to manage the economic collapse(s), since their systems are highly centralized, and a collapse will result in forced decentralization. As a result, they and their new regime(s) will be overthrown. Vox has suggested the next cycle in the Ciceronian cycle of history will be an aristocracy. Perhaps the aristocrats will restore a working order based on traditional European based religions and cultures, limited government intervention in the economy, and a precious metals based currency.

Anonymous Will Best December 02, 2014 11:57 AM  

How exactly are americans being FORCED to adopt external rituals and beliefs, as per point 6?

You mean when the 1st Amendment somehow means you aren't allowed to wear a shirt with the American flag on it on May 5, because it might force a Mexican to beat you to death?

Anonymous Gara December 02, 2014 12:00 PM  

That one made me roll my eyes. If anything open immigration policies will hasten collapse.
Because the ''immigrants'' consume more in services (of all kinds) than they generate in productive activity.


Any sources for this? As far as I know, is not even that clear that ILLEGAL immigrants consume more than they generate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States) so the effect for ALL immigrants is even less clear, but I'm sure you have some very good evidence for it other than mere examples.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 02, 2014 12:01 PM  

How exactly are americans being FORCED to adopt external rituals and beliefs, as per point 6?

Exactly. It's not like bakers are being FORCED to bake gay wedding cakes or anything, and it's not like tax dollars are being spent in our schools to FORCE books like Heather Has Two Mommies on kids. It's not like a guy was FORCED to apologize for wearing a shirt that gave some blue-nosed shrew the vapors. It's not like men's clubs were FORCED to start accepting women. .And it's certainly not like political groups opposed to the party in power were FORCED to spend thousands defending themselves against threats from the IRS. Oh, and speaking of the IRS, it's not like they're being used to FORCE people to buy stuff they don't want...

It's not like leftists lie about everything.

Anonymous Daniel December 02, 2014 12:02 PM  

Wait until animal rights become law!

Yeah, you might have multi-millionaire celebrities going to federal prison for dog-fighting. May it never come to pass...

Blogger YIH December 02, 2014 12:03 PM  

Pinakeli:
Wait until animal rights become law!
I guess you didn't get the memo shooting large, dangerous wild animals in self-defense already is considered a crime.
Just ask George Zimmerman.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 12:05 PM  

Some key points about this malign pattern:

(1) The "native" population is actually the white population, which is undergoing g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned.

It is absolutely necessary to spell this out, if only because it clashes with the core moral claims of the state, and thus shows that the "normal, natural" administrative moves essential to the model are no such thing. Something is going on here, and it is not the system functioning as it is supposed to.

Anonymous Daniel December 02, 2014 12:06 PM  

Any sources for this?

Yes. More than 50 million of them.

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 12:07 PM  

He traces the decline back to the rejection of christianity.

His solution is... increase native birth rates, foster a patriarchal society and cultural homogeneity....

but he doesn't think religion will work.

*facepalm*

Anonymous Ivan Poland December 02, 2014 12:08 PM  

That reads like the history of Hawai'i. After King Kamehameha died his widow took control (briefly) and broke the law by eating with men. (Men and women were not allowed to eat together on penalty of death). Her son did not allow her to be killed and backed her breaking Kapu. He then went on to destroy all the temples and kiki (tiki) at the request of his law breaking mother.

A huge civil war broke out between those that supported the new progressive ways against those that supported the old Kapu system. The progressives won. 6 months later Christian missionairies showed up and the rest is history. Today the Native Hawaiians are a marginalized people in there own land.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 12:11 PM  

(2) The interests and sentiments of the "native" population are wholly isolated from the actions of the state. That means that democracy is a sham. This again is not the system just functioning as it is meant to.

Also, it means that there is a relatively discrete ruling class that may be taken for native by the natives but does not in turn identify the natives as being its own people.

Anonymous not seeing it December 02, 2014 12:11 PM  

"How exactly are americans being FORCED to adopt external rituals and beliefs, as per point 6?"

Margarita Monday
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Blogger YIH December 02, 2014 12:12 PM  

Gara:
Any sources for this?
Lots of 'em. And here too

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 02, 2014 12:16 PM  

There is nothing to worry about. I'm 31 and every young white person I know married somewhere in the age 24 to 27 range and are starting to have families.

White fertility is below replacement level but that is becuase is undesireable (for lack of a better term) white people are not having children.

Every succesful well adjusted white person I know has multiple children by the age of 35.

The white race is engaging in eugenic breeding so I think the future looks bright.


This has been my observation as well. Every white person who wants to start a family have children is doing so. It is only the self-absorbed who are not doing so.

I just hope those of us who are breeding have a majority over those of us who are not.

Blogger James Higham December 02, 2014 12:19 PM  

Great stuff, Vox. As a Ukipper over here, what they say is right but they're missing a link - the religious underpinning of the society. I've written on it many times and get reader-deserted for it. You start that rubbish turning on your heritage one way or the other and it's the start.

Blogger YIH December 02, 2014 12:28 PM  

swiftfoxmark2:
Whites aren't the only ones facing this problem.
It's even worse in Japan.
At least they ain't trying to ''solve'' that problem with immigration.

Anonymous 11B December 02, 2014 12:29 PM  

5. Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse.

I disagree with number 5. Open immigration policies were enacted well before economic collapse was even on the radar. Additionally, open immigration policies actually bring in more immigrants who are net tax consumers than tax payers. If anything open immigration policies accelerate economic collapse.

Keep in mind a lot of defenders of open borders will tell you that it is necessary because whites are not having enough kids and that our economy depends upon new workers. But remember the 1965 Immigration Act was passed, and most definitely crafted and debated, during and on the heels of the greatest baby boom and economic boom in US history. Declining birth rates and potential economic collapse were not a problem in the early 60s.

Open borders was enacted to water down and replace the native population, period.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 12:30 PM  

Frank Salter's main point in The Survival of the Liberal West Requires Ethnic Nationalism is unchallenged. In this malign pattern, the native population has no other group survival strategy than the state, and the state has not kept its promise as an adaptive ethnic group strategy. Therefore the position of the natives is tragic.

Cultural Collapse Theory adds a lot of detail to the tragedy, and that is all to the good.

Salter is very interested in new constitutional forms so that the state would be required to consider the vital interests of its population. Roosh V is thinking along different (but also good) lines.

(Darn: a really interesting thread, and I'm having no luck getting comments though the captcha barrier.)

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 12:34 PM  

Margarita Monday
Taco Tuesday
Press Uno Por English

Happy holidays!

Anonymous TLM December 02, 2014 12:35 PM  

ROK is touch and go. For every good article you have to sift through 14 shitty ones. Roosh will likely either accept the truth of Christ or commit suicide sometime down the road. When a person's eyes have been opened to the darkness that surrounds them in this world, and they can no longer ignore it, blind themselves to it, or distract from it with the pursuit of endless leisure, its a pretty freaking depressing place to be. Especially without the hope of redemption/salvation through Christ.

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 12:36 PM  

I think the future looks bright.

Me too. This pattern repeats itself over and over.

God's people reject God.
God's people embrace idols.
God's people destroy the idols and return to God.

And so it shall be.



Anonymous Jack Amok December 02, 2014 12:42 PM  

but he doesn't think religion will work.

Considering how prevalent Churchianity is in the West, is this really such a facepalm? A wrench might be the obvious tool to tighten a nut, but a rusty, neglected wrench somebody was using to hammer nails isn't as obvious. We may have to save religion before it can save us. Note that "we" and "us" are plurals and denote Western Civilization, not individuals.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 02, 2014 12:45 PM  

11B: "Open borders was enacted to water down and replace the native population, period."

Absolutely right.

The "official story" that this is all about economics doesn't add up any better in Australia than it does in America.

The demolition of the popular White Australia Policy (in place from the foundation of the nation) and the imposition of official Multiculturalism were the work of elites who were committed to anti-white outcomes, uninterested in the popular will (from which they were protected by "bipartisanship" and the political elite closing ranks to give "racists" no option to vote for), and not particularly troubled by any economic problems.

Anonymous VD December 02, 2014 12:45 PM  

Also, there were probably those who considered that preventing women from getting college degrees was part of the "culture" back then, and that giving women the same oportunities as men would be an example of "cultural collapse".

Not an example, a necessary causal factor. Women destroy every institution they enter, so it should come as no surprise that their involvement outside the family is a good metric for cultural collapse.

I was laughing at the GoodReads winners selections. You only had to look at the covers to see that women voted for them. And still people wonder why so much literature is shit and book sales are in decline.

Anonymous clk December 02, 2014 12:54 PM  

I thick this is the same old story throughout mankind .. sure different details but this is how it works..

Great example is europeans and the amercian indians -- we could map most of these activitys to what happened then ...

1. Make them wear shoes
2. Introduce them to God - make them give up their religions
3. Move to reservations
4. Sell them fire water
5. lLet them build casinos, sell tax free smokes, hooked on drugs



Anonymous karsten December 02, 2014 12:54 PM  

"1. Removal of religious narrative from people’s lives, replaced by a treadmill of scientific and technological “progress.”

This is what has happened but isn't necessarily what would inevitably have happened in any circumstances. I tend to fall into Roosh territory in recognizing the value of religion when it is tied to ethno-nationalism; however, I do believe that a new, fresh ethno-nationalist narrative can replace a dying religious ethno-nationalist narrative.

Nietzsche, who excoriated the fallacies of "progress," posited the Overman narrative as a replacement for a religion in which many people were no longer able to believe as naively (as here I used "naive" in Schiller's favourable sense, not as a pejorative) as they did in the Middle Ages.

The national socialists, without attempting too vigorously to "remove" the religious narrative from the lives of those who were still galvanized by it (such as their own fellow Catholic Bavarians), wanted to brace it with something arguably stronger, the tribal, race/blood-based narrative of ancestry and heritage.

Both of these options were effectively destroyed by the Tribe's ideological war of annihilation (a.k.a WWII), but that doesn't argue against their possible viability.

I think that, for white nationalists/paleocons/national libertarians, etc., a narrative of ethno-nationalism along something like the principles of cultural national socialism, which reveres and defends the aesthetic legacy European Christian tradition and adopts its moral code on the basis of good sense rather than metaphysical belief (because it recognizes that such naive belief is no longer possible for all), is what is needed. Currently, European "Identitarianism" seems to be finding its way in this general direction.

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 12:57 PM  

Considering how prevalent Churchianity is in the West, is this really such a facepalm?

Considering that Christianity has survived much more serious threats than "the post-enlightenment" I'd say yes.


Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 1:01 PM  

however, I do believe that a new, fresh ethno-nationalist narrative can replace a dying religious ethno-nationalist narrative

Do you have any historical examples of this happening?

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 1:12 PM  

Both of these options were effectively destroyed by the Tribe's ideological war of annihilation (a.k.a WWII), but that doesn't argue against their possible viability.

Actually, it does.

Anonymous Sarcophilus December 02, 2014 1:16 PM  

What Roosh calls the religious narrative, Chesterton called "Tradition" and "The Democracy of the Dead". Somehow the 1950's housewives didn't seem as unhappy as the rat-race feminists. Chesterton noted if you find a fence and gate in a field, you should not remove it - The tradition should be considered correct until proven wrong.

Both Athens and Rome knew what civic virtue was, and both collapsed because the apex of paganism didn't suffice.

Christianity teaches we are are fallen, sinners, and will do evil given the chance. So culture is very different if the assumption is that the King, Pope, and those in power are going to misuse it.

What isn't new is the lie that it is different this time. The tulip mania, South Seas bubble and Mississippi schemes are replaying as we watch today.

"Game" is to interpersonal relationships what "Elliott Wave theory" and socionomics is to finance - why people behave the way they do, I won't say counter-productively, but only short-term. And it happens because someone comes along and says science has solved the long-term consequences (except for climate change, we all have to go back to the stone age...).

Contraception is held as a grave sin by that tradition. But here is where technology changes things. A woman who can get pregnant, and can't have the baby murdered, is forced to think more carefully about the consequences since there are examples of bad things. Technology and the courts have removed the consequences, so the only thing left preventing bad behavior is that same tradition or culture. But that same tradition supported the nuclear family. Men already "manned up" because the available women (and their fathers and the rest of the culture) gave conditions - marriage - where they would be available.

And interestingly, the one thing the modern aging feminists have not quite yet done is bring back the institution of Dowry. But it might be there in a virtual sense - at least if they are desperate enough and want marriage more than an alpha.

Anonymous Cranberry December 02, 2014 1:25 PM  

Awright...based on your comment, Vox, on the GoodReads Best Books awards selection and cover art, I went and looked.

And I concur. I've read a few of the fiction books, most of the cookbooks, a lot of the sci-fi/fantasty/romance category, but none of the memoir (memoir does not interest me, until they re-brand it or re-categorize it as fiction).

You are so right about the cover art matching the contents. Vapid women pretending to intellect read these books.

I will say, though, that I've followed Gabaldon's books with interest. I've not yet read In My Own Heart's Blood but I will, as I've been reading her from the start and find her books well-researched in terms of historical and cultural accuracy, and the story is not so wholly full-on-feminist as to be immediately discounted. There are flaws, to be sure. But it's a darned sight better than the dross of Rowell.

Simplistic art, no better than what my toddlers tend to draw. Can't women do better, since they're supposed to be so much more articulate and complex and intricate in their thinking and expression than men?

Blogger tz December 02, 2014 1:25 PM  

Ethno-nationalism, i.e. Tribalism is by itself insufficient. Because it can't be "just any" tribalism. Virtues and vices are the same whether the narrative is Christian, Pagan, or Objectivist (you find an individual puritanical view to their personal morality in the heroes of Ayn Rand's novels - though she was wrong about sex).

A narrative that does not support family, the hearth, children with both man and woman as parents will not last more than a generation, though the children might live on the moral capital.

The problem with the immigrants is they have that narrative and resist the technopsychobabble. They come from places with strong family traditions. Exmaple: given the state of child protective services, the Islamic neighborhood where the police fear to go is safer for a traditional family. Even the gangs from south of the border show tribal and family loyalty.

When a country becomes decadent - morally bankrupt, they must import moral capital to continue.

Anonymous Stilicho December 02, 2014 1:43 PM  

They come from places with strong family traditions.

Which does not extend to single mothers/fatherless children. See, e.g. the hispanic illegitimacy rate which is second only to the black rate. Their tribalism may provide a substitute for family traditions, but, if our experience with highly tribalistic black communities is a valid guide, it won't be a good or even sufficient substitute.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 02, 2014 1:49 PM  

And interestingly, the one thing the modern aging feminists have not quite yet done is bring back the institution of Dowry.

They won't, either. Because Dowry has a lot of implications, go down that road too far and you find fathers in charge, aka Patriarchy.

Nope. Feminists are women, and they want their alpha or the dyke equivalent. Grass huts are just fine, so long as they get their tingles.

Blogger Calvin December 02, 2014 1:56 PM  

I agree with Roosh 100% on this one. Everything he describes has come to pass or is in the process of doing so. Western Civ is finished.

Vox, I'm curious, what do you advise those of us most loyal to our own skins to do in the coming decades? I'm not interested in fighting for some abstract principle that never did anything for me, but at the same time have little desire to be some sniveling SJW flunky.

Anonymous true reactionary December 02, 2014 2:02 PM  

Rooth and the PUAs hurt Western Civ as much as the queers, feminists and blacks.
But at least they get their dick wet...

Anonymous things are going exactly as planned December 02, 2014 2:14 PM  

The cultural collapse can be traced back to the Judaization of what was formerly a Christian Nation.

As Henry Ford documented here: This volume contains information dealing with the influence of the Jewish idea on American life. The departments of life here studied do not by any means exhaust the list. The studies are more and more centering on the actual operations of the Jewish program upon the American people, and the effect of Jewish conceptions on our common life.

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It is not difficult, therefore, to see the genealogy of the Jewish ideas of liberalism from their origin to their latest effects upon Gentile life. The confusion aimed for is here. There is not a reader of these lines who has not felt in his own life the burden of it. Bewilderment characterizes the whole mental climate of the people today. They do not know what to believe. First one set of facts is given to them, then another. First one explanation of conditions is given to them, and then another. The fact-shortage is acute. There is a whole market-full of explanations that explain nothing, but only deepen the confusion. The government itself seems to be hampered, and whenever it starts on a line of investigation finds itself mysteriously tangled up so that procedure is difficult. This governmental aspect is also set forth in the Protocols.

Add to this the onslaught on the human tendency toward religion, which is usually the last barrier to fall before violence and robbery unashamed stalk forth. In order to bring the condition about at which this World Program aims, the Fourth Protocol says:

“It is for this reason that we must undermine faith, eradicate from the minds of the Gentiles the very principles of God and Soul, and replace these conceptions by mathematical calculations and material desires.”

“When we deprived the masses of their belief in God, ruling authority was thrown into the gutter, where it became public property, and we seized it.”—Protocol 5.

“We have taken good care long ago to discredit the Gentile clergy.”—Protocol 17.

“When we become rulers we shall regard as undesirable the existence of any religion except our own, proclaiming One God with Whom our fate is tied as The Chosen People, and by Whom our fate has been made one with the fate of the world. For this reason we must destroy all other religions. If thereby should emerge contemporary atheists, then, as a transition step, this will not interfere with our aims.”—Protocol 14."

It is the Jew-run media that has corrupted the Christian nation over the course of the last century.

And no, I am not from "Stormfront," am not a Nazi, nor am I a racist. Just a realist that will call a spade, a spade.

Anonymous things are going exactly as planned December 02, 2014 2:15 PM  

So say the Protocols:

“To wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities, feuds, famine, inoculation of diseases, want, until the Gentiles see no other way of escape except an appeal to our money and power.”—Protocol 10.

“We will so wear out and exhaust the Gentiles by all this that they will be compelled to offer us an international authority, which by its position will enable us to absorb without disturbance all the governmental forces of the world and thus form a super-government.

“We must so direct the education of Gentile society that its hands will drop in the weakness of discouragement in the face of any undertaking where initiative is needed.”—Protocol 5.

The Jews have never been worn out or exhausted. They have never been nonplused. This is the true psychic characteristic of those who have a clue to the maze. It is the unknown that exhausts the mind, the constant wandering around among tendencies and influences whose source is not known and whose purpose is not understood. Walking in the dark is wearing work. The Gentiles have been doing it for centuries. The others, having a pretty accurate idea what it was all about, have not succumbed. Even persecution is endurable if it is understandable, and the Jews of the world have always known just where it fitted in the scheme of things. Gentiles have suffered from Jewish persecutions than have the Jews, for after the persecutions were over, the Gentile was as much in the dark as ever; whereas Judaism simply took up again its century-long march toward a goal in which it implicitly believes, and which, some say who have deep knowledge of Jewish roots in the world and who too may be touched with exhaustion, they will achieve. However this may be, the revolution which would be necessary to unfasten the International Jewish system from its grip on the world, would probably have to be just as radical as any attempts the Jews have made to attain that grip. There are those who express serious doubts that the Gentiles are competent to do it at all. Maybe not. Let them at least know who their conquerors are.

[THE DEARBORN INDEPENDENT, issue of 14 August 1920]

Blogger jimmy-jimbo December 02, 2014 2:21 PM  

It's not a progression. That's a mere list. We have been doing this all at once for many decades while the white population sat on a booming economy under Reagan and he okayed amnesty.

Females demanded more like the vote, careers, birth control, abortion. They wanted it all and at once.

So if the natives lost control, they knew it and fostered it. But the rich billionaires (the other 1% natives) are in control and their pocketbooks can affect the elections.

I would argue the cultural collapse wasn't the consequence. It was the cause.

Anonymous The Wanderer December 02, 2014 2:27 PM  

When I click the Roosh link I get a one word webpage: "Forbidden". Is there some secret password or something?

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 2:59 PM  

Roosh and the PUAs hurt Western Civ

True.

1Cor 6:9

Blogger Positive Dennis December 02, 2014 3:15 PM  

I do find it ironic that Roosh's main claim to fame is a book about how to get laid by the third date. He reminds me of the Poul Anderson character Ensign Flandry, who saw the decline and decadence of the Terran Empire, yet participated in the decadence while he could.

Sure Religion as a cultural thing is important, as long as it does not apply to me.

Anonymous Augustine December 02, 2014 3:19 PM  

Sure Religion as a cultural thing is important, as long as it does not apply to me.

Lord, make me chaste...but not yet O Lord, not yet

Anonymous Porky December 02, 2014 3:20 PM  

When I click the Roosh link I get a one word webpage: "Forbidden".

Maybe God is trying to tell you something?

Anonymous Anubis December 02, 2014 4:28 PM  

"Roosh and the PUAs hurt Western Civ as much as the queers, feminists and blacks."
They are honest about the situation and people that go to his site might learn something about self improvement while reading how to hook up

Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 4:38 PM  

Even Roosh still believes in the magic of geographic relocation and the idea of America as a credal or propositional nation:

Some could argue that America is currently experiencing a cultural collapse. It always had a fragile culture because of its immigrant foundings, but immigrants of the past (including my own parents) rapidly acclimated into the host culture to create a sense of national pride around an ethic of hard work and shared democratic values.

Anonymous karsten December 02, 2014 4:54 PM  

"Ethno-nationalism, i.e. Tribalism is by itself insufficient. [...]

A narrative that does not support family, the hearth, children with both man and woman as parents will not last more than a generation, though the children might live on the moral capital."


Yes, I would agree with that, which is why I cited the example of cultural national socialism as one example of a positive supplement. If anything, the promotion of those things -- the family, the hearth, children with both man and woman as parents -- was far more insistently and assiduously pursued in Germany after 1933 than in most Christian nations even then, let alone today.

The national socialists realized that for a culture to survive, let alone thrive, the media and politics needed to be cleared of cultural pathogens and the ideological war fought in those spheres. And time has abundantly proven them right.

And no, the fact that the Tribe was able to brainwash and bribe a host of nations into ganging up on the last hope of Western civilization very obviously does not argue against the viability of national socialism as a necessary supplement to Christianity, unless one accepts a crude "might makes right" position, by which measure the current neocon U.S. would be the bestest, most awesomest country on Earth.

Blogger Dewave December 02, 2014 5:03 PM  

"however, I do believe that a new, fresh ethno-nationalist narrative can replace a dying religious ethno-nationalist narrative

Do you have any historical examples of this happening?"

French Revolution. Russian Revolution. Italian Fascism. German Nazism.

If you combine ethno-nationalism with lack of religion, the results are not pretty.

Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 5:06 PM  

So...your model is one that only lasted twelve years?

Doesn't look like your model is a good one.

You could at least have been clever and picked Franco or Pinochet. Or Benito.

Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 5:08 PM  

French Revolution. Russian Revolution. Italian Fascism. German Nazism.

If you combine ethno-nationalism with lack of religion, the results are not pretty.


They're also not sustainable. Each one launched aggressive wars of conquest that led to the collapse of 3/4 examples.

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa December 02, 2014 5:20 PM  

“Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”
― Oswald Spengler, The Hour of Decision

Blogger Josh December 02, 2014 5:26 PM  

“Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”
― Oswald Spengler, The Hour of Decision


Bolshevism is atheistic. Christianity is theistic.

Splain.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 02, 2014 5:29 PM  

Josh, Pinochet has always been one of my favorite South Americans.

No one pauses in the midst of recounting Pinochet's killings to consider the terrifying concept that maybe the people he killed needed killing.

Anonymous fuck godwin December 02, 2014 5:39 PM  

:Bolshevism is atheistic. Christianity is theistic.:

nazis hate both

Anonymous kh123 December 02, 2014 6:44 PM  

"I think that... a narrative of ethno-nationalism... which reveres and defends the aesthetic legacy European Christian tradition and adopts its moral code on the basis of good sense rather than metaphysical belief (because it recognizes that such naive belief is no longer possible for all), is what is needed."

Schiller notwithstanding, and better than the Prog alternative, some may not take to well to condescending compliments. True for thee, but not for me - until needed.

While I buy the plain understanding of church/state separation - to prevent state control of those metaphysical beliefs - I can't help but think that there's a bit of similarity, and a natural progression/digression, between the folks riding on the back of those beliefs for the sake of the center holding, and those who currently benefit from western society while shouting it down at every turn; the latter usually being the children of the former.

Anonymous Uppity Goyim December 02, 2014 6:46 PM  

"“Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”
― Oswald Spengler, The Hour of Decision

Bolshevism is atheistic. Christianity is theistic.

Splain."

Easy. Spengler is a jew and is loyal to the tribe above all else.

Anonymous paradox December 02, 2014 6:47 PM  

Josh.... Franco or Pinochet were Christians, a religious ethno-nationalist narrative, wouldn't prove karsten's neo-pagan National Socialist narrative.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 02, 2014 6:54 PM  

Even Roosh still believes in the magic of geographic relocation and the idea of America as a credal or propositional nation:

Well, sure, his own parents were immigrants. It's the same deal as when Peggy Noonan goes on and on and on about her Irish granny on the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal. "I have to support open borders because without immigration I wouldn't be here" and "immigration was good for my family and me".

It's an emotional drama, not a logical argument. Probably could be sung to some Verdi aria, it's that emotion-laden and fact-free.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben December 02, 2014 7:19 PM  

What leads to the loss of the religious narrative?

Anonymous PA December 02, 2014 7:22 PM  

"I have to support open borders because without immigration I wouldn't be here"

She has it backwards. An immigrant's loyalty ought to be to the people who let him in, not to the crashers who want to follow him in.

Anonymous PA December 02, 2014 7:23 PM  

"What leads to the loss of the religious narrative?"

A guess: prosperity?

Blogger JCclimber December 02, 2014 7:29 PM  

The quote from Samuel Adams: "The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interests are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together."

Reminds me of the two-horned beast in Revelation 13;11 -
1) beast comes out of the earth instead of the sea (sea represents a multitude of people),
2) has two horns (or two sources of power) which start out like a lamb (christlike),
3) but end up speaking like a dragon (uses force, fear, and law to deceive and persecute).
1) America was the only major powerful kingdom which arose in an area with very few people or previous powerful kingdoms
2) It had freedom of conscience (religion) and freedom from tyranny (a republican form of government) - two very powerful, and unique, sources of power
3) Is doing its best to speak like a dragon - "whoever is not with us is our enemy", setting up a completely interwoven worldwide financial system, a powerful military, and exporting all kinds of cultural filth. All while setting up a system that will be a turnkey for future oppressors.

Yep. I'd say the only hope to save Western Civilization is to turn to the Dragon. He can suggest some laws to bring back morality, for the good of the world, the economy, and the children. And any who do not comply? Well, we'll just pull a little SJW on them and ban them from our new system of money.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld December 02, 2014 7:34 PM  

@karsten

''cultural national socialism''

If you think national socialism is so fine and dandy:
http://mises.org/library/planned-chaos-0
http://mises.org/library/stalinism-national-socialism-and-fascism
http://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian-0

http://mises.org/library/reflections-failure-socialism

Anonymous Scintan December 02, 2014 7:55 PM  

Wait until animal rights become law!

Already happened in Florida, and it's in that state's constitution.

Pigs have civil rights in Florida

Anonymous ut unum sint December 02, 2014 9:37 PM  

Ah, Corinth, mon amor! The Corinthians are warned against many great evils, of which they had formerly been guilty. There is much force in these inquiries, when we consider that they were addressed to a people puffed up with a fancy of their being above others in wisdom and knowledge. All unrighteousness is sin; all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin, committed with DESIGN, and not repented of, shuts out the kingdom of heaven. BE NOT DECEIVED. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that they may live in sin, yet die in Christ, and go to heaven. But we CAN NOT hope to sow the flesh, and reap everlasting life.

Anonymous ut unum sint December 02, 2014 9:52 PM  

Previous post was a reply to Porky at 2:59, mostly not my words but the words of the late great Matthew Henry (favorite writer of the guy who said you may have heard that I passed away on such and such a date. Don't you believe a word of it) on First Corinthians Chapter 6, which many of us should just memorize ...

Anonymous Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey December 02, 2014 9:58 PM  

Roosh conveniently failed to note these important steps.

8. Have self-described pick up artists create a cottage industry in which 1-7 are used as the driving force to pervert “game” via the “pump and dump” strategy as the response to the decline of said culture by extolling the “virtues” of a) remaining single, b) refraining from marriage,
c) having (unprotected) sex with women outside of one's race, and d) refraining from having offspring and/or talking responsibility should pregnancy result.

9. Form groups that align themselves to “Christian” males in the “holy war” against SJW’s without being held to strict moral accountability by that group. Because “bro code”.

Roosh, Heartiste, and Return to Kings do NOT deserve our attention as Christian males despite their work in exposing SJW’s. Either we perpetually work to teach them the word of the Lord or shun them for their wickedness and betrayal of the Gospel by NOT commenting on their sites at the least or purchasing their materials at most.


“Do you suspect his pursuit of truth will lead to a pursuit of The Truth?”

Sure. On his death bed. “Lord, I have seen the error of my ways. Please, forgive me.” Roosh DEFINES anti-western civilization.

Anonymous zen0 December 02, 2014 11:13 PM  

@ ut unum sint

on First Corinthians Chapter 6, which many of us should just memorize ...

Don't forget the set-up in Chapter 5 :



1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.



Summary: God will judge those outside the brethren. The brethren only judge amongst themselves.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 03, 2014 12:57 AM  

Cultural collapse defense:

Pick your own cotton
Count yer own money
Speak yer own language

Anonymous Jack Amok December 03, 2014 2:07 AM  

Considering how prevalent Churchianity is in the West, is this really such a facepalm?

Considering that Christianity has survived much more serious threats than "the post-enlightenment" I'd say yes.


Soooo, no action on our part required? Sweet, that's even easier than government handouts.

Blogger Whiskey December 03, 2014 3:09 AM  

I know nothing about Roosh. Heartiste/Roissy has decried modern corruption, but offers tools to men who want to use them to either get sort of women found at GoodbyeAmericainaphoto dot wordpress dot com; (the High School cute White girls all with Black dates at some function, the lone White guy dateless) and game them as wives, or play the field.

Can anyone honestly say that most women today are "wife-material" for most men? Honestly? Given that there are at most perhaps 4-5% of the age range / cohort group of women as wife material (and likely already married) what other rational response is there? Sure, wife up those sluts! And see what it gets you. Nothing good I'd wager.

As for Christianity, well Open Borders is pretty much Gospel, as is anti-Racism (i.e. anti-White). The Pope is pretty Christian, its why he's the Pope. He takes seriously Jesus's dictate that there is no Greek nor Jew, but a Universal people under the Church and God. And that's one big reason WHY I'm not a Christian. I like (and miss) my Nation. It might not have been as old as some, but it was (America) a great nation that did many great things before it died. Killed in part by Christianity, and its Universalism. Catholic Italy will open its borders until its filled with Muslims and Africans who will cleanse the very last bit of Christianity and Italians and Italian culture out the place. Tragic but that is the wages of Christianity -- Open Borders as the lesson of Christmas teaches.

Thor, Odin, Marx, all offer nothing but pagan gibberish or Christian pseudo-scientific heresy. Buddhism, Taoism, etc. are foreign and alien religions. I have no answer. But I know that Christianity is part of the problem -- the West's greatest strength being its fatal weakness.

Religion became degraded except for the charity, Open Borders part, and Universality, when it came into conflict with absolute female sexual freedom jump-started by the mass consumer advertising business. If you are looking for villains, look at the money made selling shoes, jeans, and everything else to female consumers by pandering to their lowest rather than highest urges.

Things did not really fall apart until mass TV advertising came into play in the mid to late 1960s. Images have their own power, and moving ones even more.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 3:19 AM  

AdognamedOp: "Cultural collapse defense:

Pick your own cotton
Count yer own money
Speak yer own language"

None of this will prevent hostiles from taking over your state, and then:
* Importing settlers to "do the work you won't do" (even though you are willing to do it).
* Turning all your real money into to fiat and debts, and themselves into rent-receivers.
* Abolishing your language, your culture, your religion and your race, bit by bit.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 3:29 AM  

Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey: "Roosh DEFINES anti-western civilization."

No he doesn't.

And remind me again, you who say he must be punished and shunned for not being the kind of Christian you approve of: by what authority do you speak, Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey?

Anonymous The Sanhedrin Killed the Messiah December 03, 2014 3:34 AM  

But I know that Christianity is part of the problem -- the West's greatest strength being its fatal weakness.

Whiskey is the most transparent Shabbos Goy these parts of the internet has ever seen.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 3:46 AM  

FUBAR Nation Ben: "What leads to the loss of the religious narrative?"

By common observation: Jewish domination, subversion and constant ridicule does it.

Said ridicule need not have any basis in truth or morality either. Just the fact of it, year after year, decade after decade and century after century has a scandalous and ultimately a demoralizing effect.

The war on Christmas is also a war on Christianity.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 3:49 AM  

The Sanhedrin Killed the Messiah: "Whiskey is the most transparent Shabbos Goy these parts of the internet has ever seen."

Never before have I seen anyone suspect Whiskey of being a goy.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 3:53 AM  

Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey: "Roosh, Heartiste, and Return to Kings do NOT deserve our attention as Christian males despite their work in exposing SJW’s. Either we perpetually work to teach them the word of the Lord or shun them for their wickedness and betrayal of the Gospel by NOT commenting on their sites at the least or purchasing their materials at most."

As a display of chutzpah, this is good.

Anonymous The Sanhedrin Killed the Messiah December 03, 2014 3:58 AM  

I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall Whiskey identified as Irish several years ago in the comment section at Roissy in D.C.

He may very well be a member of the tribe. But whether he is or not, he is certainly one of the most vehement Juden-shills around.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 4:18 AM  

FUBAR Nation Ben: "What leads to the loss of the religious narrative?"

Mary Eberstadt (with lots of data to back her up) would insist that I add: the destruction of traditional families kills "religion" (meaning Christianity) because it is in the sanctity of marriage that the common man commonly finds God. He wants to marry his true love, and he starts to appreciate the need for a Church, for ritual and religion. His first child is born, and the transcendence of his own narrow life becomes real to him, and his heart inclines to Heaven, much more seriously than before. All this adds up.

The lack of it, as traditional married life is undermined and demolished by malign social planners, also adds up. In a wasteland, the view that life is just a passing aggregation of atoms and "beyond here lies nothing" becomes more plausible. It corresponds to experience.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 03, 2014 4:37 AM  

The Sanhedrin Killed the Messiah: "I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall Whiskey identified as Irish several years ago in the comment section at Roissy in D.C."

He says things like that. He never takes the trouble to make his ethnic crypsis plausible, though.

The Sanhedrin Killed the Messiah: "He may very well be a member of the tribe. But whether he is or not, he is certainly one of the most vehement Juden-shills around."

Competition in that field is fierce.

Anyway, if you're like most people, you'll get so tired of his Jew-centric, biased, dishonest, ill-informed, redundant and perverse screeds that whenever you see "Whiskey" you'll just skip to the next comment.

You'll be none the worse off for doing that. There's only so many screeds anybody needs to read on how white women hate white men (so don't go getting together and making white babies, you two!), and how (contrary to all evidence) white women long to be ridden by a masterful alpha black.

It's sick, it's bizarre, it's wearying, and if you're that guy that still reads Whiskey, you're probably way over your lifetime recommended dose already. So do yourself a favor and quit.

Anonymous KKKarl December 03, 2014 10:01 AM  

Hey Did You Know That the Co-Founder of the Gay Activist Human Rights Campaign Was Arrested Last Month For Raping a 15 Year Old Boy?

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2014/12/homo-scandals-reporters-are-quick-to.html

Terrence Bean [the] 66-year old co-founder of the radical homosexual outfit known as the Human Rights Campaign (HRC)-a misnomer if ever there was one-was arrested in late November on charges that he and his ex-boyfriend raped a fifteen year old boy in a hotel room in Eugene, Orego

...

The organization Mr. Bean founded is the largest "gay" "rights" pressure group in the United States. Its logo-a yellow equals sign on a blue background-is rapidly becoming the internationally recognized symbol of a political movement. In Massachusetts, where I hail from, the symbol is ubiquitous on car bumpers.

The HRC is the homofascist mothership and Bean is its queen. The organization published the illegally obtained donor list of the National Organization for Marriage in order to harass and intimidate its opponents. Its efforts also brought about the downfall of Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich who made the mistake of making a small donation to supporters of California's Proposition 8. The HRC supports forcing private citizens to participate in homosexual weddings. As long as anyone anywhere still maintains the rights of free speech and free exercise of religion, the HRC will not rest.

Anonymous Porky December 03, 2014 10:05 AM  

Soooo, no action on our part required?

So you think 'running the race' and 'fighting the good fight' requires no action on your part?



Blogger Hermit December 03, 2014 10:37 AM  

This reminds me of an awesome professor in my university: he was an old style communist that despised modernity, homosexuality, immigration and pretty much every idea of cultural marixism and current leftism.
Despite not believing in God he was accepting of religion and knew it was a fundamental part of the life of every community, he asked for a religious funeral before his death. I used to call him a "reactionary communist".

Reaction to modern degeneracy is mostly a spiritual thing but the times are so awful that even some hedonistic puas and communists professors realize where it's going to end.

Roosh is on our side on this battle and I have personal gratitude to the pua world because I was a beta liberal unable to attract women. I actually discovered game shortly after returning to Christ.
Every man needs game (the ability to attract women) even if pua philosophy is toxic. It's a tool, the goal depends on our morality. In the past it was something natural, but now men are feminized and weak.
Game also give us (aside for pseudo-science evolutionary psychology) the ability to understand women and separate the few good ones remaining from the mass of sluts.

I hope and pray he will find the light spiritually, I just know that in this battle he is an enemy of our enemies. he is on our side, what will happen later is his own business with God.

P.S. of course it's impossible for him to have a good view of the current christianity and find faith as long as catholic modernists and liberal protestants pollute our doctrines with feel-good sentimentalism and "don't judge".
When I was young rejected that crappy modernist church and became an atheist, without knowing traditional catholicism I would still be clueless.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 03, 2014 12:31 PM  

So you think 'running the race' and 'fighting the good fight' requires no action on your part?

Does "saving religion from Churchianity" fall under either category?

Anonymous .308 December 03, 2014 2:01 PM  

Game is not PUA
Alpha is not fucking sluts

Anonymous Porky December 03, 2014 2:11 PM  

Does "saving religion from Churchianity" fall under either category?

I'd say saving yourself from churchianity does. If everybody did that then the problem would be solved.

Anonymous Porky December 03, 2014 2:23 PM  

Roosh is on our side on this battle...

Sorry, but he is not part of Western Civilization.

Anonymous Anubis December 03, 2014 3:29 PM  

"Hey Did You Know That the Co-Founder of the Gay Activist Human Rights Campaign Was Arrested Last Month For Raping a 15 Year Old Boy?
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2014/12/homo-scandals-reporters-are-quick-to.html
Terrence Bean [the] 66-year old co-founder of the radical homosexual outfit known as the Human Rights Campaign (HRC)-a misnomer if ever there was one-was arrested in late November on charges that he and his ex-boyfriend raped a fifteen year old boy in a hotel room in Eugene"

The funny part is they are trying to disqualify the testimony of the 25yo meth addict boyfriend that was picked as a teen, they would have been upset if someone on the right said the same sort of thing while the couple visited the White House.

Blogger Hermit December 03, 2014 4:33 PM  

@Porky
He is certainly not a man that embodies the virtue of the true western civilization but he is still the enemy of our enemies.

Actually our enemy is the one that uses the name of the western civilization it has destroyed, I would call it modern subversion (that includes sjw, cultural marxism, liberals, progressives, enlightenment, atheism, science fetishism, etc..)

People from other traditional civilization who resist to westernization (aka being subverted by anti-traditional modernity) are part of the struggle too.

Anonymous Porky December 03, 2014 5:28 PM  

He is certainly not a man that embodies the virtue of the true western civilization but he is still the enemy of our enemies.

Great. So are Somali slave traders.

Anonymous Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey December 03, 2014 7:28 PM  

“Can anyone honestly say that most women today are "wife-material" for most men? Honestly?”

Yes.


“No he doesn’t.”

White knight, when Roosh advocates having sex with women of ANY RACE out of wedlock, when he advocates remaining single and not having children, he epitomizes the decline of anti-western civilization.


“you who say he must be punished and shunned for not being the kind of Christian you approve of: by what authority do you speak, Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey?”



The same authority that Christians here claim that SJW and “anti-whites” must be punished and shunned--God and the Bible.


“As a display of chutzpah, this is good.”



The SJW’s and the anti-Christian manosphere is one in the same.


“…read on how white women hate white men.”

You realize that Roosh is a vibrant, correct? He is of Armenian and Iranian descent. Is he now white to fit the narrative?


“Anyway, if you're like most people, you'll get so tired of his Jew-centric, biased, dishonest, ill-informed, redundant and perverse screeds that whenever you see "Whiskey" you'll just skip to the next comment.”

It took temerity to make this statement considering you and Whiskey are one in the same.


“Roosh is on our side on this battle…”
"He is certainly not a man that embodies the virtue of the true western civilization."

Whose overall philosophy is detrimental to the war.


“I have personal gratitude to the pua world because I was a beta liberal unable to attract women. I actually discovered game shortly after returning to Christ.”


Read the Bible as your guide for game. As far as pua's, burn them at the cross.


“It's a tool, the goal depends on our morality.”

And Roosh and his ilk run COMPLETELY counter to morality.


“Game also give us (aside for pseudo-science evolutionary psychology) the ability to understand women and separate the few good ones.”



Define “good ones”.


“I just know that in this battle he is an enemy of our enemies. he is on our side, what will happen later is his own business with God.”

Our business as Christians is to show him the way. Luke 13:3—I tell you, No: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.


“without knowing traditional catholicism I would still be clueless.”

White knight, Roosh comprehends fully traditional catholicism…he simply rejects it to live a lifestyle that is anti-Christian and anti-God. So, it is NOT impossible for him to have a “good view” of Christianity because he can read and adhere to the tenets of the Bible. Colossians 3:5—Mortify therefore your members which are on the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry.


Amazingly, a number of “Christians” here give him a free pass. Because “bro code”.

Anonymous ut unum sint December 03, 2014 11:06 PM  

zenO - First Corinthians chapter five is a wonderful chapter. I will try to understand it better. Matthew Henry, commenting on verses 9 through 13, said this: "Christians are to avoid familiar converse with all who disgrace the Christian name. Such are only fit companions for their brethren in sin, and to such company they should be left, whenever it is possible to do so. Alas, that there are many called Christians, whose conversation is more dangerous than that of heathens!"

Blogger Hermit December 04, 2014 4:27 AM  

Define “good ones”.

Feminine women, women that want to have children, women that can resist their istinct to be f**ked by all the alpha badboys they meet.
Not the entitled manipulative sluts that modern culture encourages.

Women are not angels, they are fallen souls like we are, the rules of our old "patriarchal" society were made to protect women and society from their own anarchical sexual istincts.
Today's sexual libertinism made sluts the rules and not the exception.

In a generation we may have to look for good women in second world countries.

Anonymous Laguna Beach (Jew) Fogey December 04, 2014 7:26 PM  

Duly noted, Hermit, that you completely avoided attempting to the
immutable fact that Roosh contributes to this manipulation.


“Feminine women, women that want to have children, women that can resist their istinct to be f**ked by all the alpha badboys they meet.”

First, it is the liberty of people, men and women, to decide to have children.

Second, we can take from YOUR definition of “femininity” and apply it to “masculinity”. Does Roosh desire to want children? Does he desire to settle down with a “feminine” woman? Is he able as a man to resist his inclination to use “game” to “pump and dump” and perpetuate that stereotypical “bad boy” image?


“Not the entitled manipulative sluts that modern culture encourages.”

A modern culture perpetuated by the Christian McQueen’s of the world and the “Christian” men who purchase said materials under the guise to “improve” themselves; by the porn industry dominated by male business owners to encourage women to sell their bodies for sex.


Amazingly, a number of “Christians” here give Roosh a free pass. Because “bro code”.

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