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Friday, December 05, 2014

The mainstream discovers MGTOW

A very good article by Milo on the increasing male distrust for and disinterest in the opposite sex:
Never before in history have relations between the sexes been so fraught with anxiety, animosity and misunderstanding. To radical feminists, who have been the driving force behind many tectonic societal shifts in recent decades, that's a sign of success: they want to tear down the institutions and power structures that underpin society, never mind the fall-out. Nihilistic destruction is part of their road map.

But, for the rest of us, the sight of society breaking down, and ordinary men and women being driven into separate but equal misery, thanks to a small but highly organised group of agitators, is distressing. Particularly because, as increasing numbers of social observers are noticing, an entire generation of young people—mostly men—are being left behind in the wreckage of this social engineering project.

Social commentators, journalists, academics, scientists and young men themselves have all spotted the trend: among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement.

You can hardly blame them. Cruelly derided as man-children and crybabies for objecting to absurdly unfair conditions in college, bars, clubs and beyond, men are damned if they do and damned if they don't: ridiculed as basement-dwellers for avoiding aggressive, demanding women with unrealistic expectations, or called rapists and misogynists merely for expressing sexual interest. 
The readily observable fact is that the majority of women do not give a damn about men. They are so locked into their vision of intrinsic female inferiority that they assume their actions will have absolutely no effect on how men think and behave. This is profoundly dyscivilizational, which means that men are going to need to install an overt patriarchy, as the Romans eventually saw the need to do, if civilized society is to survive.

There is nothing fair or equal about feminists. Words are, for the most part, meaningless weapons to them; they would just as soon appeal to "purple" or "Kardashian" if they thought it would be useful. Men need to stop buying into those false appeals for the same reason everyone needs to stop giving ground to the SJWs.

A society of Gamma males will not survive for long. We need to get the Deltas to stop white knighting for women or the cruelest, coldest Alphas will soon rule over all. The reality is that a female-dominated society is not one that any self-respecting man is willing to maintain or live in.

No wonder young men are checking out. Consider this ridiculous, anti-male article:
They started in 2007 by forming a girls-only team. The girls started working with a robot that the boys had initially built. Almost immediately, they solved problems that the boys couldn’t. They developed competition strategies without loud-mouthed boys and repaired the robot on the fly without having to defer to the strongly held opinions of the male members of the team.
Lesson: don't lift a finger to help women in science, tech, or games. They ask, you ignore. If they're so damned superior, they can certainly figure it out for themselves. There is no need to discourage them, just leave them to their own devices and go your own way.

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Blogger Iowahine December 05, 2014 9:44 AM  

VD: They are so locked into their vision of intrinsic female inferiority that they assume their actions will have absolutely no effect on how men think and behave.

Do you mean women really think so little of themselves by nature that they don't believe their actions have consequences/are significant?

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts December 05, 2014 9:48 AM  

Feminism is one giant shit test. The funny thing about this test, is that passing it and failing it both lead to futures where men call the shots. We just get to deal with differing levels of chaos until the natural order is restored.

Anonymous VD December 05, 2014 9:50 AM  

Do you mean women really think so little of themselves by nature that they don't believe their actions have consequences/are significant?

Exactly. They just assume men will magically be there to provide for them and fix everything if they screw up. So, it doesn't really matter what they do. They're like a rich kid striking off on his own; he doesn't have the same fear of failure that someone without a nice safety net does. That's why so many of them go into completely useless fields without even thinking if they pay well or not.

Anonymous Brother Thomas December 05, 2014 9:51 AM  

All by design to reduce population levels (see Jaffe Memo).

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 9:53 AM  

A society of Gamma males will not survive for long. We need to get the Deltas to stop white knighting for women or the cruelest, coldest Alphas will soon rule over all.

Would that change entail the Deltas becoming something other than Deltas?

Anyway, related to this topic, I'm curious of something. To anyone who cares to respond to this...

State your sex. Are you proud of being that sex*? If so, why?

Anonymous Starbuck December 05, 2014 9:54 AM  

Wow.. Are really things that bad? My 25 year old son used to date women, but now he doesn't. Says "Can't afford them.". I just assumed he means he is not in a position to buy a house and support a family. Although he could as his ages are pretty good, but not where the family could have anything and everything.

Perhaps it is related to this. I'll have to ask him sometime.

I do know that last break up he had was devastating. She was hell bent on feminism... she was also an atheist, which didn't mix well with my sons beliefs.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus December 05, 2014 10:02 AM  

"Exactly. They just assume men will magically be there to provide for them and fix everything if they screw up."

Maybe a little reverse Lysistrata is in order? Until women get their acts together, men stop giving them money, and start making them fix their own cars?

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2014 10:02 AM  

Jeremiah Says: Dollars to doughnuts Starbuck is a woman.

No offense, that's how I call it.
I assume that your son meant that in the sense of wife and children, yes, but the afford part could easily be modified with the adjectives: financially, psychologically, or emotionally

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2014 10:03 AM  

Jeremiah Says: "Maybe a little reverse Lysistrata is in order? Until women get their acts together, men stop giving them money, and start making them fix their own cars?"

Titus, remember Fred Reeds little Gem: Without men, civilization lasts until the oil needs changing.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 10:04 AM  

Jeremiah Says: Dollars to doughnuts Starbuck is a woman.

You're wrong. Starbuck's been here for a long time. He's a man.

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 10:04 AM  

The girls started working with a robot that the boys had initially built. Almost immediately, they solved problems that the boys couldn’t.

What a load of horseshit. "Solved problems the boys couldn't"? First off, let's hear those problems.

Second, I suppose they were using the robot the boys built that they couldn't build?

Blogger Iowahine December 05, 2014 10:08 AM  

Do you mean women really think so little of themselves by nature that they don't believe their actions have consequences/are significant?

Exactly. They just assume men will magically be there to provide for them and fix everything if they screw up. So, it doesn't really matter what they do.

. . .
And I thought it was my mother that screwed me up. Dammit.

@Crude - State your sex. Are you proud of being that sex*? If so, why?

Woman: never felt proud or ashamed.

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2014 10:09 AM  

Jeremiah Says: "You're wrong. Starbuck's been here for a long time. He's a man."
I stand corrected.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts December 05, 2014 10:10 AM  

"Maybe a little reverse Lysistrata is in order? Until women get their acts together, men stop giving them money, and start making them fix their own cars?"

Women will get their money from men directly, or like they've been doing since the days of FDR: through taxes.

Anonymous Salt December 05, 2014 10:12 AM  

So the A-Team beat out MIT and when the women compete, "The girls didn’t make it to the finals, but it was one of the most memorable experiences of their lives." Because, feelings?

Anonymous CunningDove December 05, 2014 10:16 AM  

From the article:
"The girls started working with a robot that the boys had initially built."


And they still don't get it. It is one thing to adapt something that someone else built. It is a completely different thing to build something from the ground up. It takes a level of understanding that is difficult to explain to someone that has never build something from the ground up with their hands... or programed an entire environment for your CG characters to exist in, before you can design your characters & have them interact with that environment.

Blogger JartStar December 05, 2014 10:19 AM  

It will be decades before the full effect of MGTOW will be felt in society, but then it will be too late for the Millennials to change and it will be up to the subsequent generations to right the ship.

Blogger pyrrhus December 05, 2014 10:19 AM  

I notice the article keeps talking about boys not knowing what the rules are. But in fact, the problem is that there aren't any rules, except the rule that the girl always wins, and never lies....

Anonymous Gaywad December 05, 2014 10:26 AM  

"increasing male distrust for and disinterest in the opposite sex" >>> Teh GAY?

Anonymous CunningDove December 05, 2014 10:27 AM  

Until women get their acts together, men stop giving them money, and start making them fix their own cars? ~ Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

As a woman that can generally fix her own car, I must state for the record. I agree 100%!!!

Anonymous Edjamacator December 05, 2014 10:30 AM  

What a load of horseshit. "Solved problems the boys couldn't"? First off, let's hear those problems.

No nagging subroutine, no cosmetic enhancements, no ability to print out the latest Cosmo issue.

Blogger Chris Ritchie December 05, 2014 10:31 AM  

Could Vox or someone provide a reference to the Romans setting up a patriarchal society - what came before, how was it instituted, and what came after? I'm sincerely interested. Thanks.

Anonymous NateM December 05, 2014 10:33 AM  

"They started in 2007 by forming a girls-only team."

and Pictured: Team of Entirely Asian and Indian girls. No wonder western society is in the dumper. Even Feminist posturing is outsourced.

Anonymous My Dead Gramps December 05, 2014 10:35 AM  

"I assume that your son meant that in the sense of wife and children, yes, but the afford part could easily be modified with the adjectives: financially, psychologically, or emotionally"

26 year old here, yes to all four. The risk vs reward payoff isn't worth it. No reason to even consider a long term relationship unless you're dead set on starting a family.

Anonymous maniacprovost December 05, 2014 10:35 AM  

The article is crap, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong with schoolgirls building robots. I think that's actually a cliche in anime.

The sad thing is, the average housewife has more time to experiment with 3D printed ROVs than the average engineer, so they are sending the wrong message to essentially everyone.

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 10:37 AM  

No nagging subroutine, no cosmetic enhancements, no ability to print out the latest Cosmo issue.

"Boys were never able to find the proper way to color coordinate the decals with the chassis. Did you see what the championship team used last year? It's like they didn't even realize it was a problem."

Seriously, if it was just 'teenage girls are making robots' I'd think 'okay, great'. But this? Fuck 'em.

Especially when it's 'look at the improvements they made to a robot boys made'.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 10:39 AM  

Could Vox or someone provide a reference to the Romans setting up a patriarchal society - what came before, how was it instituted, and what came after? I'm sincerely interested. Thanks.

To get you started:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Julia#Moral_legislation_of_Augustus

Roman history has a pattern of legal action taken to encourage higher birth rates and discourage decadence.

Blogger Ghost December 05, 2014 10:39 AM  

Is the verge where all the men Jizzabel wouldn't hire go to work? First the scientist's shirt, now this?

These guys have not ONE man friend. They can't. Anyone with their testicles still attached would pimp slap these little bitches every time they opened their mouths to say stupid things like, "that's a sexist shirt," or "girls are better than boys."

What the hell do we call pussies like this? We can't even call them fags because at least fags are strong enough to fuck men and not give a shit what women think about them. Who wants to bet that these little cunts are in "half-open" relationships?

Anonymous ZT December 05, 2014 10:40 AM  

But how long before the blowback? At some point the men will just say "f-ck it" and lay waste to feminism and it won't be a nice patriarchy of the Israelites. It will either be the Thug life everywhere (If they are lucky) or full on Viking / Visgoth where women are second class citizens or property.

Anonymous Sarcophilus December 05, 2014 10:45 AM  

What is missing is the Christian Alpha. Someone who is a strong leader but is obeying the commandments. The secular manosphere is about how to get a harem or sex, but civilization needs to teach about how to get a wife. But with the feminization (it should be an official heresy up there with arianism, pelagianism, and nestorianism) of the churches, it won't be easy.
But in the small enclaves, or isolated homes with traditional roles, the men and women - and children, are far happier. And the feminists hate it. So they try to convince the wife to divorce, which usually makes her miserable.
Another feminist lie is virginity is either irrelevant or something to be embarrassed about, but it used to be called a woman's "virtue". But wrecking themselves for marriage is something the Devil desires. Sex is not casual by its nature.
While worrying about the basement gammas, look what their available choices are. Even the charity donation stores won't put filthy rags on the sale racks. There are lots of female human beings, but very few real women. And the men would quickly be normal in a patriarchal society. But I don't know if the damage to the females is fixable.

Anonymous Thales December 05, 2014 10:47 AM  

Team of Entirely Asian and Indian girls.

It really does beg the question: has Feminism rendered "white" girls obsolete? Are they good for anything these days apart from ornamentation?

Anonymous catahoula December 05, 2014 10:48 AM  

We were vending at a gun show in northern Virginia recently, and a customer mumbled something about his wife didn't want him staying too long ( or something like that ) and I said "Don't even say that! Men are supposed to be in charge of the family, be the leaders! A woman is not supposed to be the boss." My husband was just smiling.

What was interesting was that the customer lifted his head and stood a little taller. I hope he went home and went all Athol on her.

Oh, and I'm female.

Anonymous CunningDove December 05, 2014 10:49 AM  

What a load of horseshit. "Solved problems the boys couldn't"? First off, let's hear those problems.

From the article:
One example: the robot wouldn’t drive straight. The boys tried to correct for this by over-steering, but it wasn’t a real solution. The girls took the robot apart, identified a problem in the drivetrain, and fixed it.

The boys designed an engineering solution to a problem, but that was not a "real solution"? Did it work? The girls "identified" a problem in the drivetrain? What, did they replace a broken or worn part? Was it a u-joint or alignment issue?

The supposed superior solution of the girls does sound legit. It sounds like a repair that needed to be done. However, why was the "oversteering" solution not "real"???

Blogger SarahsDaughter December 05, 2014 10:50 AM  

A society of Gamma males will not survive for long.

During an interview with Vicki McKenna, Milwaukee's Sheriff Clarke discussed the fallout of the war on poverty's head start in making black men irrelevant. That it can be turned around but would require an anti-feminist return to teaching marriage and family development.

As we watch the crazy that is the raging feminist, there are some similarities between those women and the black men he spoke of. As the MGTOW movement declares women irrelevant, we can expect more crazy raging women. Sadly those women have more power than the black man because of the ear white knights and feminist men have given them.

Just as men like Sheriff Clarke, Allen West, C.L. Bryant etc. are lambasted by the left (especially leftist black men), so too are we anti-feminist women. The worst insults and criticisms I have received for being an anti-feminist/pro-marriage/Christian, are from leftist men (and MGTOWs).

Blogger JartStar December 05, 2014 10:50 AM  

But how long before the blowback?
Decades. The Millennials are approaching 30, have set their course, and won't change.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 10:50 AM  

It really does beg the question: has Feminism rendered "white" girls obsolete? Are they good for anything these days apart from ornamentation?

Those yoga pants won't wear themselves, and those pumpkin spice lattes won't drink themselves...

Blogger Chris Ritchie December 05, 2014 10:50 AM  

The blowback will not occur until our legal system and economic system is no longer able to afford taxing the productive classes to support single motherhood or adultery or abortion. We'd have to return to a time when the best legal protection a woman could obtain was marriage to a strong (read "economically viable") family. When there is no other choice than to favor marriage instead of singleness, then things will change. The only reason women are able to support themselves in this society is that we have specific laws erected to ensure "fairness." Well, how fair is it that the men trying to support families must compete with women, who due to subsidies provided by EEOC laws, can accept lower pay? Vox has talked about that before. It isn't a simple issue, but it has its roots in our culture leaving the cultural understanding that a woman's best, most creative role is in raising the next generation of men and women. It's what they're best at that men just aren't very good at. And these are observational conclusions. Show me a man birthing children and we can begin a discussion asserting these observations aren't true.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2014 10:53 AM  

The [original all boys] team started meeting after school. Its attendees were a rag-tag group: loners, misfits, kids who would rather be there than go back home. In 2003, the team roster included a former gang member, an ROTC cadet, a brainiac who lived in a shed, and a hulking giant of a kid who said next to nothing. The unlikely foursome started gathering spare parts from local hardware stores and businesses. Before long, they’d cobbled together an impressively robust underwater robot. They entered a major national underwater robotics competition in California and ended up beating MIT to win the national championship. Their victory put Carl Hayden on the map.

So these are the "loud-mouthed boys", eh? Their story is way better than the girl team's story, let alone the fact that the girls' story wouldn't have happened without the boys' victory.

Dalrock wrote a blog post about Charles Lindbergh and Amelia Earhart a while back. This is the same story in miniature.

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 10:53 AM  

What is missing is the Christian Alpha. Someone who is a strong leader but is obeying the commandments.

'Being a Christian Alpha', or words to that effect, gets interpreted by many as either 'being an annoying pain the ass' or 'being the first to MAN UP and apologize for alleged sins of Christianity'.

I think 'being a Christian man' and 'being a man' are both important things that need to be addressed, but separate, and the latter has to come first.

Anonymous AT December 05, 2014 10:54 AM  

The all-girl robot team reminds me of my college experience playing a semester-long, team-based marketing/manufacturing game for a large advanced marketing class.

I am male, but with an ambiguous first name. I was the only male on my team, and all the other teams were single-sex. I am not naturally an authority-seeking person, but will lead reluctantly when no other competent leader emerges. Within a couple of weeks I was verbally acknowledged as the "team leader" by the 4 girls on the team, without any discussion of the team electing a leader.

The game was all about making the most money by getting manufacturing costs down as you bid on contracts to manufacture for other brands and by exploring the demand elasticity of various markets as you entered them with your own branded product (athletic shoes). By the last week we were well-positioned to crush the competition, but the girls on the team insisted that we play it safe by not repricing our product too aggressively in the market with extremely low demand elasticity. We ended up coming in second place behind an all male team and the next "girl" team was 5th or 6th out of about 10 teams.

I have always wanted to go back and ask the professor if he ran those single-sex teams as a social experiment and how common it was for an all-girl team to win or place in the competition.


Anonymous Brother Thomas December 05, 2014 10:56 AM  

The measure of a successful life isn't dying surrounded by loving children and grandchildren, no, the measure of a successful life is dying alone with a lot of letters after your name. ;)

Blogger Chris Ritchie December 05, 2014 10:58 AM  

Thanks for the link Josh.

Blogger flambeaux December 05, 2014 10:58 AM  

I have been a mentor for high school robotics teams. There has been one exception, but for the most part the girls either quit or migrate into managing the engineering notebook or doing the fundraising, designing the team t-shirts, etc. They are not very interested in turning wrenches or designing/fabricating parts. Without exception my standouts have been boys. They are the ones building prototypes on their own time to prove out their ideas, drawing CAD models and so on.

Of course now that we have established a successful program we have a handful of moms showing up who did something technical once upon a time and who say "STEM" a lot. They have lots of ideas about training and process and teamwork, but not so much to contribute in terms of ordering materials or selecting tools or instructing kids how to use shop tools correctly. So what once was an enjoyable pastime for me has started to turn into yet another chore.

Anonymous Minnesota Crazy December 05, 2014 11:02 AM  

I'm a woman, disregarding that pesky Y chromosome of course.

Minnesota Board Forces Girls HS Teams to Include 'Transgenders'
The state board overseeing high school sports in Minnesota voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to permit male-to-female transgender students to participate in girls sports.

After an aborted attempt earlier this year to institute controversial new "inclusive" rules for transgender players in high school athletics, the Minnesota State High School League voted 18-1 with one abstention to endorse males identifying as females to play girls sports.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/12/04/Minnesota-School-Sports-League-to-Vote-on-New-Transgender-Rules

Transgender ‘female’ MMA fighter gives female opponent concussion, broken eye socket

Transgender mixed martial arts (MMA) competitor Fallon Fox is facing new criticisms after breaking the eye socket of his last opponent.

On Saturday, Fox defeated Tamikka Brents by TKO at 2:17 of the first round of their match. In addition to the damaged orbital bone that required seven staples, Brents received a concussion. In a post-fight interview this week, she told Whoa TV that "I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life."

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because [he] was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor,” she stated. “I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. ”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-female-boxer-gives-female-opponent-concussion-breaks-her-eye-so

Blogger Bob Wallace December 05, 2014 11:05 AM  

"Feminism is one giant shit test"

Do you believe leftist/feminine ideologies such as Communism and Nazism were shit tests?

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 11:05 AM  

So what once was an enjoyable pastime for me has started to turn into yet another chore.

Women. Ruin. Everything.

When I was in high school several of us started meeting at a friend's house for worship and bible study, and it got to the point where we had fifty or so kids attending. Then someone's mom decided to take charge and started handing out curriculum, work books, and a bible study calendar.

Blogger Mindstorm December 05, 2014 11:09 AM  

@Crude

Man. As proud as of my eye color. Not applicable in this context either. I prefer to be proud of things I do.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 05, 2014 11:12 AM  

Milo's article is outstanding. Getting the message out to non-Manosphere readers, Well done.

Blogger Al Cibiades December 05, 2014 11:14 AM  

Women continue to prove their ability to screw up good things so let's put them in an indefinite voting time out.

I propose the first civilizational pillar re-aligned be a repeal of the 19th amendment. A few ruffled feathers maybe from the fair sex, but they'll they'll soon come around coy and charming like good'uns.

In the Neo-Patriarchy, women wouldn't really lose their voice, they'll simply revert to the tried and true method of sending their male valet to the voting booth with appropriate instructions.

Anonymous Herman the German December 05, 2014 11:14 AM  

Exactly, @Crude. I always read the linked article first. Took just a couple paragraphs until we noticed what Vox initially did....that they _started_ with a robot the boys had already built. Nice metaphor for feminism vs. Civilisation, don't you think?

Femcunts _started_ with a civilisation the men had already built. That warmed the cockles of my heart...maybe even the sub-cockle area. Heh.

Anonymous Herman the German December 05, 2014 11:21 AM  

Nigel Richards' Roman Empire (consultant Dr. Hazel Dodge FSA) from Metro Books (New York), would be a decent place to start, Chris.

Anonymous Jill December 05, 2014 11:22 AM  

The female inferiority complex disgusts me. It is a problem perpetuated with silly insults in childhood such as "you hit like a girl", with the reverse compliment being "you're such a tomboy". That is early training for feminism, which will eventually leave women stranded in a world where they are expected to be like men but cannot in any meaningful way be like them. Feminism has been telling women they must be masculine in order to be okay for decades. The psychological worm is pretty deep. That is why I laugh when people tell me we live in a feminized society. We live in an overtly masculine society, in which the extant patriarchy uses women to destroy men; and in which women believe they must be men in order to survive--even though they, too, are part of the sinking ship. The true feminine principle has been lost. Philosophers such as Jung recognized this was happening at the start of the 20th C and that is why he hated feminists. While the female inferiority complex no doubt has existed since the fall of man, it wasn't until feminism that it was exploited on such a grand scale. But perhaps that is what people mean when they insist our society has been feminized. Men and women alike are operating off an inferiority complex. We're all somebody's bitch now.

Blogger Joshua Dyal December 05, 2014 11:25 AM  

Milo's article is outstanding. Getting the message out to non-Manosphere readers, Well done.

It's out there. Helen Smith's Men on Strike was basically the same thing in mainstream format a few years ago. Christina Hoff Sommers The War Against Boys preceded even that. If it's really true that 4 out of 5 women refuse to identify with the feminist label, then it's in a hysterical last gasp phase (as Milo says) before being discredited as a philosophy and ideology.

It'll be a lot longer before the effects of it are rooted out of society, of course, but the trajectory doesn't have to be pessimistic.

Anonymous Herman the German December 05, 2014 11:25 AM  

Also @Chris Ritchie

Look further down the thread & you'll notice that Josh (very literate, longtime member of the Dread Ilk) has a very good reference, too. ;-)

Anonymous yukonyon December 05, 2014 11:26 AM  

"A society of Gamma males will not survive for long. We need to get the Deltas to stop white knighting for women or the cruelest, coldest Alphas will soon rule over all. The reality is that a female-dominated society is not one that any self-respecting man is willing to maintain or live in."

Would it be a stretch to observe that cultural cannibalism tends to come from matriarchal societies?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 05, 2014 11:30 AM  

It'll be a lot longer before the effects of it are rooted out of society, of course, but the trajectory doesn't have to be pessimistic.

It's leaving a lot of bitter, lonely, angry people--men and women--in its wake.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 11:31 AM  

From the chateaux:

women transmogrify from “strong woman – hear me roar” to “damsel in distress – rescue me” very quickly to wiggle out of consequences and to keep the blame on “not me”.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 05, 2014 11:32 AM  

Reminds me of a friends daughter discussing her desire to get into construction. After a while it became apparent she really didn't want to learn anything about construction, she just wanted to be a "project manager" who would tell all the men actually doing construction how to do their jobs.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 11:33 AM  

After a while it became apparent she really didn't want to learn anything about construction, she just wanted to be a "project manager" who would tell all the men actually doing construction how to do their jobs.


#banbossy

Anonymous yukonyon December 05, 2014 11:35 AM  

"We live in an overtly masculine society, in which the extant patriarchy uses women to destroy men; and in which women believe they must be men in order to survive--even though they, too, are part of the sinking ship." - Jill

That's partially correct, but I would hesitate to use the term extant patriarchy.
New Deal Feminism was more likely originally constructed by the Rockefeller family as a means to extract more taxes from the populace, and slowly morphed into elites realizing that they could use it to divide and conquer. Feminism is a more a product of elite tribalism.

Anonymous scipio africanus December 05, 2014 11:36 AM  

I work in a university. I wrote a small grant for an undergrad student (female) she is the top of the class, honors student. I have been gently pushing her to decide on how we were going to the research. She came in my office the other day in tears/freaking out, afraid that she was going to fail and could not decide on what to do. After a half hour hand holding session, i made an outline of the project and basically told he what to do.

"I am woman, hear me roar" yeah, right....

Blogger Krul December 05, 2014 11:37 AM  

Jill - Feminism has been telling women they must be masculine in order to be okay for decades. The psychological worm is pretty deep. That is why I laugh when people tell me we live in a feminized society. We live in an overtly masculine society, in which the extant patriarchy uses women to destroy men; and in which women believe they must be men in order to survive--even though they, too, are part of the sinking ship. The true feminine principle has been lost.

I agree that Feminism is, in fact, primarily anti-woman rather than anti-man, hence the feminists insistence that women must do traditionally masculine things, like STEM work, and must not do traditionally feminine things, like homemaking. Their animosity towards men is, I think, envy.

However, I don't think "hit like a girl" and "tomboy" are examples of this.

Anonymous Daniel December 05, 2014 11:43 AM  

I got a kick out of the fact that Marissa Tomei, Jamie Lee Curtis, and George Lopez will star in this movie about these brave and brilliant Asian girls who cleaned a robot that the boy's team created.

I hope they call it Maid in America.

Anonymous clk December 05, 2014 11:49 AM  

VD says "The readily observable fact is that the majority of women do not give a damn about men" ...

How about a slight modification... "The readily observable fact is that the majority of people do not give a damn about other people"... lets face it .. other than the kin folk thats pretty much true everywhere.

Anonymous Starbuck December 05, 2014 11:49 AM  

Starbuck is a woman...- Jeremiah aka Anon

What would make you think I am a woman? Because I have concern for my son? Is this a problem for you? The problem I HAVE is that I am completely clueless and I am learning a few things about how things are for people 25-35 years younger then myself. Trying to find a suitable mate for men these days is downright scary. I wouldn't have to want to deal the generalized versions of what they are trying to pass off as women these days. They aren't worth the breath to say their names. I never imagined it would get like this, I am thinking it is going to get much worse as a lot of men will just completely turn their backs on women.

Anonymous Will Best December 05, 2014 11:49 AM  

I hadn't heard about the mice experiment. Scary stuff. Might as well be Japan.

and Pictured: Team of Entirely Asian and Indian girls. No wonder western society is in the dumper. Even Feminist posturing is outsourced.

Team looks mostly Hispanic with a decent number of whites and only a couple EA and Indians. But it wouldn't surprise me if the East Asian and Indian girl did all the real work.

Minnesota Board Forces Girls HS Teams to Include 'Transgenders'
The state board overseeing high school sports in Minnesota voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to permit male-to-female transgender students to participate in girls sports.


It isn't intended, but this is some quality black knighting.

Anonymous Starbuck December 05, 2014 11:56 AM  


I notice the article keeps talking about boys not knowing what the rules are. But in fact, the problem is that there aren't any rules, except the rule that the girl always wins, and never lies....


I think what people don't seem to realize is that you don't have to follow their rules. They enforce these rules through guilt, shame and economical loss, mostly anyways. We only have to follow God's laws.



As a woman that can generally fix her own car, I must state for the record. I agree 100%!!! - CunningDove

That's fine and all. But wait until the transmission goes out, or how about the fuel system? Engines sometimes need to be overhauled when you can't afford another car. Differentials are heavy. Engine blocks are heavy. Bolts are hard to take out on older cars. What if you strip it? Or bust/shear the bolt?

Changing oil or doing tune ups is childs play. I have known a few girls that could do it, but they were farm girls through and through. Not many and they realloy weren't interested in feminism, they LIKED men. Go figure. The most capable of the women in this world can't stand feminism or their kind.


Perhaps it is because they understand how much work is it to do mens work.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2014 11:57 AM  

Starbuck - What would make you think I am a woman?

Dunno. Maybe he's a fan of Battlestar Galactica.

Blogger Joshua Dyal December 05, 2014 12:00 PM  

It's leaving a lot of bitter, lonely, angry people--men and women--in its wake.

And they are in greater and greater numbers waking up to the true source of their bitterness, loneliness and anger. I didn't imply that just because the long term prospects aren't necessarily pessimistic that in the meantime things are going to be all peachy.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 05, 2014 12:01 PM  

"I spent my whole life trying not to be careless. Women and children can afford to be careless, but not men." -- Don Corleone

Blogger David December 05, 2014 12:01 PM  

My three sons (in their 20's, all of them STEM grads with good STEM jobs) found nice girls to marry (all three college grads without PC/gender-feminist silliness), one of whom already quit a high-paying job to be a SAHM (the other two plan to do so as well, once the baby business begins.)

Point: It's not impossible to do this if all three of my kids have done so. Men who aren't actively looking for this (the path to lifelong happiness) clearly did not learn to see it as such.

Funny point: I chatted at their wedding with a college friend of my middle son's wife. Feminist to the core, complaining that for a man to interest her he'd have to be very smart, because she is, and he'd have to be interested in her the work she wants to endlessly discuss (with a college degree in who-knows-what, she's a part-time paramedic on an ambulance crew.) I told my wife that she'll die alone...no doubt about it, possibly surrounded by house cats.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 12:02 PM  

Man. As proud as of my eye color. Not applicable in this context either. I prefer to be proud of things I do.

Well, I wasn't going to answer Crude's question because I thought it was... silly, but after seeing this response, perhaps I was wrong and Crude's asking an important question.

I'm a man, and yes, I'm proud of it. I'm also proud of my eye color, my height, my IQ, and when it gets right down to it, the size of my big, swinging johnson. God or nature, whichever you prefer, made you what you are. Be proud of it. Embrace it.

Well, unless you're a Gamma. Don't be proud of that. God didn't make you that, someone else screwed you up.

But seriously, and this is where I was wrong thinking Crude's question was silly. Our society is in a hole because a bunch of people aren't proud of their sex. Mewling, sackless men who apologize for being men and screeching feminists who - despite all the GRRRL POWER! rhetoric - are embarrased about being women.

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 12:06 PM  

Thanks for the replies to those who have answered so far. I'm just gathering some data from around here for my own curiosity.

Jack,

But seriously, and this is where I was wrong thinking Crude's question was silly. Our society is in a hole because a bunch of people aren't proud of their sex.

An interesting thought.

Anonymous Steve December 05, 2014 12:06 PM  

Crude - "state your sex"

On medical forms I always answer "yes please!"

Anonymous Noah B. December 05, 2014 12:07 PM  

Exactly. They just assume men will magically be there to provide for them and fix everything if they screw up. So, it doesn't really matter what they do.

Reminds me of when my wife calls me while she's driving and asks me where she is.

Anonymous Huh? December 05, 2014 12:10 PM  

Do you believe leftist/feminine ideologies such as Communism and Nazism were shit tests?

Communism and Nazism were "feminine"?

The Nazis said, get back to the kitchen and have lots o' babies:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/germany/womenrev1.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother

Stalin said, breed, bitches:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 12:15 PM  

God or nature, whichever you prefer, made you what you are. Be proud of it. Embrace it.

So...lady gaga was right?

I'm beautiful in my way
'Cause God makes no mistakes
I'm on the right track, baby
I was born this way
Don't hide yourself in regret
Just love yourself and you're set
I'm on the right track, baby
I was born this way

Anonymous karsten December 05, 2014 12:15 PM  

"Feminism is one giant shit test"

Do you believe leftist/feminine ideologies such as Communism and Nazism were shit tests? "


There's the kind of idiocy (assuming it's not a Leftist trolling remark) that got us into this mess -- equating opposites. This is the kind of thinking that fabricates the falsehood that men and women are the same, or that the races are identical.

1. Communism is not feminine but feminist. There's a stupendous difference.

2. National socialism was the closest that any ideology has ever come in our life time to being expressly and explicitly anti-feminist and, in fact, masculinist. You'd have to go back to the Teutonic Knights and other possibly crusading orders to find anything comparable in that regard.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 12:17 PM  

"We live in an overtly masculine society

No, we live in an increasingly barbaric society, reverting to uncivlized behaviors. Uncivilized men are either thugs (if they're strong enough) or backstabbing toadies (if they aren't) and uncivlized women are sluts (when they're young and pretty) and shrews (when they aren't).

As to men in their early-20's not interested in marriage, that's not unusual. They're at an SMV disadvantage until their late-20's. Just make sure they know how to avoid the women Changing Lanes when they do get serious.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 12:19 PM  

So...lady gaga was right?

In an uncivlized way, yes. Now, do it in a civilized manner and we're onto something.

Though, ah, God may not make mistakes but parents often do.

Anonymous RedJack December 05, 2014 12:22 PM  

You nailed Amok.
We have a number of women here at work who are hitting that transition from "hot" to "Old and put away wet". The rage they have is rather amusing.

Blogger Josh December 05, 2014 12:23 PM  

Though, ah, God may not make mistakes but parents often do.

Hence the Dunham horror.

Anonymous Anubis December 05, 2014 12:27 PM  

"The measure of a successful life isn't dying surrounded by loving children and grandchildren, no, the measure of a successful life is dying alone with a lot of letters after your name. ;)"

While never actually working in anything that required the letters because HR & marketing are easy jobs where you can just drink coffee and chat all day.

Anonymous FP December 05, 2014 12:27 PM  

Just look at most dating ads women place for the last ten years and you see the selfishness and delusion of modern women (more than your typical teenage boy wanting to bang a cheerleader).

"I'm a 25 year old woman looking for a true man, no players. A real man who wants a potentially long term relationship. He has to be tall, dark and handsome. I have two wonderful kids who come first and are just wonderful! I like long walks on the beach.... blah blah. Oh, and he has to be between 25-35."

Usually quietly listed among the likes/dislikes and the a/s/l info is the question, "Do you want children?" The reply is "No." So, they want a 25 year old man to raise their bastard kids and take care of them while offering him nothing but "love, companionship, sex". I don't need to get married for that darlin.

Anonymous NateM December 05, 2014 12:30 PM  

Team looks mostly Hispanic with a decent number of whites and only a couple EA and Indians. But it wouldn't surprise me if the East Asian and Indian girl did all the real work.


Scrolling down you see the team photo of Sasay Latina Roboticists, but in the picture above, (the action shot) all those actually working are some kind of asian

Anonymous Geoff December 05, 2014 12:35 PM  

Jack, are you saying that parents make a person gay?

In "Born this Way", Lady Gaga was largely implying that gay people are born that way.

Blogger natschuster December 05, 2014 12:45 PM  

I wonder what would happen if someone tries to start an all boys robotics team. See this is what confuses me about feminism. If you say that some people should get special treatment because of their sex, you are a sexist, if those people are male. But if you say everyone should be treated the same, you are a sexist, or even worse, a misogynist, anti-woman, etc. I'm so confused. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that feminists aren't really interested in improving society. Rather, they, like liberals in general, are just bad people who are too afraid to do bad things directly, so they have to hide behind "movements." I'm actually starting to respect street thugs more than liberals. At least street thugs have a little courage,

Anonymous Passinthough December 05, 2014 12:48 PM  

@starbuck
I have thought that many budding feminzis could be cured of their militant feminism if they had to work on the farm for a summer. If that didn't cure them then a summer in the wilderness on their own where they had to provide their own shelter and food.

Blogger jimmy-jimbo December 05, 2014 12:49 PM  

I love how they need to create all girls teams to prove female superiority that ultimately loses.

"without loud-mouthed boys" "without having to defer to the strongly held opinions of the male members of the team."

It is so clear why women are not the leaders and must be lead.

Blogger Chris Ritchie December 05, 2014 12:50 PM  

Minnesota Board Forces Girls HS Teams to Include 'Transgenders'
The state board overseeing high school sports in Minnesota voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to permit male-to-female transgender students to participate in girls sports.


It isn't intended, but this is some quality black knighting.


Love that comment!

Anonymous Jill December 05, 2014 12:52 PM  

When I say we live in a masculine society, I mean it in a limited sense. Women currently believe they must be masculine in order to be successful or worthy as humans. In other words, there is no true feminine principle at work because women have traded in their femininity. And the patriarchy still exists. It won't ever go away; there has never been a true matriarchy. It's just as Vox says above--this leaves us in a situation where the coldest, cruelest alphas will rule over us.

OpenID malcolmthecynic December 05, 2014 12:52 PM  

Late to the party, but Crude:

Man. Not proud or ashamed. As a man I have certain responsibilities men have women don't, certain privileges, and certain basic realities. What's to be proud of? It is what it is. Were I a woman, I'd feel basically the same.

On the other hand, if one asked if I was proud of my Italian heritage, I would say yes, and yet it's under no more control than my sex. Huh. I wonder where that dichotomy comes from?

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2014 12:53 PM  

Interesting no one has drawn the connection between this and "black culture" which is leading the way. Black culture is matriarchal, and their men are a mess. I don't see them reversing course and improving.

Blogger SarahsDaughter December 05, 2014 1:04 PM  

Interesting no one has drawn the connection between this and "black culture" which is leading the way. Black culture is matriarchal, and their men are a mess. I don't see them reversing course and improving.

I did but in a different manner. Women's behavior will mirror more of black culture - due to their similar high time preference - when they are no longer relevant to Western civilized men. Western civilized men may eschew women but will maintain their low time preference that won't allow them to participate in savage behavior.

Anonymous Cail Corishev December 05, 2014 1:06 PM  

Especially when it's 'look at the improvements they made to a robot boys made'.

Makes me wonder if this robot was one the boys discarded because they decided to build a better one. Like this was a prototype that they knew wouldn't be their final machine, so when it had a steering issue, they slapped a patch on it and moved on. If you're prototyping, it's not unusual to say, "I know I can fix that properly, but it would take hours and it's not the point here; it just has to work so I can deal with the important stuff."

Because really, what's the chance that Jill is going to be able to understand Jack's creation well enough to fix things about it that Jack was unable to fix?

Blogger Mindstorm December 05, 2014 1:13 PM  

@Jack Amok

Being proud of having given something? It's like being proud of an EBT card.

Anonymous Anonymous December 05, 2014 1:18 PM  

I work in one of the last male-dominated industries: heavy aircraft maintenance. There are a couple of female mechanics at my workplace, and they do not look like East German weightlifters. They are judged as any other mechanic is, on whether they can do the job well. They are good wrenches and don't complain about the sometimes long hours and harsh conditions, so they are respected. In an environment so profanity-laced that a Navy Chief Petty Officer would blush, they may not curse like the men, but neither do they blanch. I have no problem with women doing a "man's job" if they actually do the same job to the same level of proficiency. Any woman who whined (or any man, for that matter) would be laughed out of the joint.

Anonymous Jill December 05, 2014 1:19 PM  

"Because really, what's the chance that Jill is going to be able to understand Jack's creation well enough to fix things about it that Jack was unable to fix?" Hey, now, no using Jill as a generic term!! I don't even know Jack (about anything really).

Blogger Ghost December 05, 2014 1:23 PM  

If they ever discover "the gay gene", it won't be long before they develop a neonatal test for it. "Down syndrome test was negative, but I'm sorry. Your baby boy will love the cock."
"Terminate the pregnancy."
"Are you--"
"DO IT!"

The chick holocaust in China will be seen as nothing next to the gay abortions.

Anonymous Amok Time December 05, 2014 1:50 PM  

"women transmogrify from “strong woman – hear me roar” to “damsel in distress – rescue me” very quickly to wiggle out of consequences and to keep the blame on “not me”."

Oh my gosh! You describe the present occupant of the White House, and i don't mean Michelle.

However, to change the subject, I have noticed that many older men in my area have now hooked up with Asian wives or girlfriends. Might that be a fallout of American girls embracing the "I am woman hear me roar." thingy? The asian women are cute and so doting on their male hosts. Just curious.

Anonymous Corvinus December 05, 2014 1:51 PM  

@Crude

A society of Gamma males will not survive for long. We need to get the Deltas to stop white knighting for women or the cruelest, coldest Alphas will soon rule over all. The reality is that a female-dominated society is not one that any self-respecting man is willing to maintain or live in.

Would that change entail the Deltas becoming something other than Deltas?


Given that a Delta is an average man, if the average man stops white-knighting women, then I'd say no. We'd simply have higher-quality Deltas than before.

What is missing is the Christian Alpha. Someone who is a strong leader but is obeying the commandments.

'Being a Christian Alpha', or words to that effect, gets interpreted by many as either 'being an annoying pain the ass' or 'being the first to MAN UP and apologize for alleged sins of Christianity'.


Nah, I believe that's a Churchian Gamma, not a Christian Alpha.

My reverse-Lysistrata plan: men who are stuck in the Gamma or low Delta ranks should go MGTOW. Other men should steadfastly ignore any women who are over 30 (over 25 if you're Alpha, Beta, or Sigma), and refuse to tolerate any BS from the young hotties they do run into. And all men should ignore fat chicks. No matter how thirsty you are, stay the bleep away from them.

Blogger Krul December 05, 2014 1:56 PM  

OT: They released a new Star Wars trailer. It's not bad.

Anonymous Crude December 05, 2014 2:05 PM  

Nah, I believe that's a Churchian Gamma, not a Christian Alpha.

No doubt, but that's what they think being a Christian male is. Alpha language is used to promote gamma traits. The usual doublethink - "You know who the REAL most confident man is? The one who always apologizes first, even if he doesn't think he did anything wrong."

Anonymous Cail Corishev December 05, 2014 2:16 PM  

As to men in their early-20's not interested in marriage, that's not unusual.

Right. That's the drum I keep beating: men have never been "interested in marriage" as a rule, regardless of age. So people who think the solution is to get men interested in marriage again, as if all those young families in the 1950s happened because of men dragging women to the altar, are bound to fail. Men will never be "interested in marriage" the way women used to be, no matter how many ads jewelry stores run of metrosexual guys gushing over how excited they are to be designing the perfect engagement ring.

Men are "interested in" sex and procreative guarantees, and are willing to marry if marriage will give them those things. Tell a 20-year-old man that the path to daily sex with a willing and attractive woman is to get a good job so he can support a wife and propose to one, set up society and laws so it can work that way, and he'll do that just like his grandfather did. But that means changing everyone else first and rolling back the you-go-girl nonsense that encourages girls to delay marriage as long as possible, which isn't nearly as much fun as hectoring young men for being insufficiently sacrificial.

Anonymous Salt December 05, 2014 2:18 PM  

OT -
From Rolling Stone magazine -

Facing increased scrutiny over an article about an alleged gang rape on the campus of the University of Virginia, Rolling Stone has issued a formal apology for its reporting.

"In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced," Dana wrote. "We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story."

Blogger SarahsDaughter December 05, 2014 2:24 PM  

This being an example of what I was talking about:
Women's behavior will mirror more of black culture - due to their similar high time preference

Blogger IM2L844 December 05, 2014 2:28 PM  

Women are genetically predisposed to the "fixer upper" mindset. My wife seldom has an original creative thought, but she immediately believes she can improve on every one of mine. It's built-in.

Anonymous Logan December 05, 2014 2:41 PM  

Was watching Conan last night. For one joke, Conan called a couple of the show's actors out front. They looked a lot like Chipendales, torn jean shorts and oiled-up bodies. Conan then called the acting director out who is a middle aged woman. She then spends some time in a long embrace with one of the men.

I can't help but wonder if it had been a couple of women in bikinis who came out, and the acting director - a man - proceeded to give them long hugs. For some reason, I have the feeling that there may have been a bit of an issue made of it... you know, 'objectifying women' and all that. But since it was oiled-up men instead of scantily-clad women, I guess it's all good. Feel that equality.

Blogger MidKnight December 05, 2014 2:54 PM  

Aaaaannnnndd... the Verge is at it again...

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/5/7339431/nasa-orion-heat-shield-molly-white-engineer

They just HAD to start off with the following subtitle:

Meet Molly White, the engineer who helped make it possible

OK - so we're talking THE crucial lynchpin that made all this possible, not just A crucial member of a larger team that, like everyone else on the team, did their job. Right?

And White, an aerospace engineer for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, was crucial to making it all work.

So far we haven't closed out one paragraph and you're already repeating the subtitle.....

White is one of the many researchers responsible for Orion’s heat shield. This reflective, flammable blanket is crucial to the spacecraft’s ultimate mission: sending humans to Mars and bringing them back safely. It’s been White’s job since 2010 to predict temperature and airflow around the heat shield during takeoff and landing.

Oh.

OK, I'll grant she had a job that required proficiency, and I'll even take the article at face value that she did her part well. I'll also grant that having these calculations and predictions be correct are vital to how the shield is shaped, how much materiel is needed, etc.

But it's not like she did the materials and manufacturing work either.

But for some reason - NO idea why - they are concentrating on the woman engineer.

And likely THE - as in only one, or they'd likely have mentioned more names.

And no, they can't talk about the work done by the team designing and building the heat shield, just the ONE girl who did some calculations to make sure temperatures stayed in spec.

Blogger SirHamster December 05, 2014 2:58 PM  


I think 'being a Christian man' and 'being a man' are both important things that need to be addressed, but separate, and the latter has to come first.



Is it easier for a man to be born again, or for a geldling to grow balls?

Anonymous Salt December 05, 2014 2:59 PM  

They just HAD to start off with the following subtitle:

Meet Molly White, the engineer who helped make it possible


She can say, "the re-entry was truly shake and bake, and I helped."

Blogger JCclimber December 05, 2014 3:32 PM  

"Is it easier for a man to be born again, or for a geldling to grow balls?"

With God, all things are possible.

Blogger Matamoros December 05, 2014 3:45 PM  

It is also discovering that older guys are sexy and able.

http://www.belmarrahealth.com/uncategorized/why-men-over-60-are-more-attractive-to-women/

Blogger SirHamster December 05, 2014 3:50 PM  

With God, all things are possible.

Indeed. Which also suggests a correct order.

"Heavenly Father, please make me a man. But uh, don't make me a Christian man just yet."

Anonymous VD December 05, 2014 3:56 PM  

My wife seldom has an original creative thought, but she immediately believes she can improve on every one of mine. It's built-in.

That is just freaking bizarre. My favorite technique upon meeting with that behavior is to immediately quiz them on their understanding of the issue. Once you force them to admit that they don't know what the hell you're talking about, they usually knock that shit off pretty quickly.

Blogger Corvinus December 05, 2014 4:43 PM  

As to men in their early-20's not interested in marriage, that's not unusual.

Right. That's the drum I keep beating: men have never been "interested in marriage" as a rule, regardless of age. So people who think the solution is to get men interested in marriage again, as if all those young families in the 1950s happened because of men dragging women to the altar, are bound to fail.


Men have to be corralled into marriage by a woman, otherwise they won't do it. In fact, arguably, women don't like men who are eager to get married. But as long as extramarital sex is considered normal and okay, the "why buy the cow" syndrome will only worsen.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 05, 2014 5:05 PM  

The infuriating and sad thing is the male feminist..

Now we know they are simply trying to demonstrate higher value to women. Of course what they accomplish is to repel them. But a few get selected to be "wonderful husbands"by a few post Wall harpys. Not "sexy husbands," you understand. That's not happening but to a degree their mating strategy has worked. Keep spouting feminist drivel long enough and you might be the next Mister Zoe Quinn, (what a deal, right?!)

What we have to remember at all times when dealing with male feminists is that we can't save them. They are too invested in the lie to let themselves see the truth.

And it is the male feminist who are the real problem for our civilization. Female feminists would be nothing but a fringe movement without them. ,They need these male enablers, need them desperately.

In its sad way the Breitbart article is just a little hopeful. Rejecting the Blue Pill is a good starter but if it goes no further it's a bad sticker.

Not everyone will learn the Game. That is the truth of it. Krauser says he has roughly a fifteen percent success rate with his classes. But anyone can learn it.

Yad, is clearly not a handsome man in the traditional (or indeed any) sense but in the video he goes from contact to contract in ten minutes.

Blogger Eric December 05, 2014 5:38 PM  

It really does beg the question: has Feminism rendered "white" girls obsolete? Are they good for anything these days apart from ornamentation?

Ornamentation? Mostly too fat for that.

Anonymous Scipio Africanus December 05, 2014 6:09 PM  

"Heavenly Father, please make me a man. But uh, don't make me a Christian man just yet." - sir Hamster

Sir hamster, I think you are confusing "Christian Man" with "churchian man."

IMO, King Jan Sobieski of Poland, who save my ancestors in Austria/southern Germany and the rest of Central/Western Europe from the Ottoman Turks, was a supreme badass and God fearing Christian.

After he kicked the living shit out of the Ottomans at the Battle of Vienna, he said "I came, I saw, and God conquered."

European and Caucasian history is full of both recognized and unsung badass Christian men like him.

Blogger SirHamster December 05, 2014 6:23 PM  

Sir hamster, I think you are confusing "Christian Man" with "churchian man."

Was answering an idea that being a man was more important than being a Christian man. That was an absurd prayer to illustrate how silly the wrong set of priorities sounds.

We certainly need more Christian men. Any other foundation is sinking sand.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 6:26 PM  

Being proud of having given something? It's like being proud of an EBT card.

Yeah. It's honoring the person who gave you the gift. Don't be ungrateful.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 6:34 PM  

Jack, are you saying that parents make a person gay?

In "Born this Way", Lady Gaga was largely implying that gay people are born that way.


I don't know what makes people gay and I don't pay much attention to Lady Gaga, but gamma fathers tend to raise daughters who are sexual train wrecks and single mothers tend to raise sons who are either thugs or gammas.

As far as being "born gay", well, like I said, there's civilized and uncivilized ways to live your life. Being born a man and acting uncivlized isn't a win. I'm pretty sure history gives us examples of gays being civilized. The significant thing about the Folsom Street Fair isn't that it's a bunch of gays but that it's a bunch of barbarians.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 05, 2014 6:38 PM  

Tell a 20-year-old man that the path to daily sex with a willing and attractive woman is to get a good job so he can support a wife and propose to one, set up society and laws so it can work that way, and he'll do that just like his grandfather

Bingo

Anonymous Godfrey December 05, 2014 7:29 PM  

The cultural elites seek to destroy the maternal instinct. They want taxed drones, not mothers. Femininity is under assault.

Anonymous p-dawg December 05, 2014 7:43 PM  

I'm not proud of being a male. I am, however, proud of being a man.

Anonymous The Original Hermit December 05, 2014 8:06 PM  

"There is no need to discourage them, just leave them to their own devices and go your own way."

The geekiest female I know, an attractive coworker that is actually quite competent, just informed me she dropped out of her computer science program. I thought if any female I knew could do it, it would be her. I'm uncertain if she dropped out before or after she announced her engagement.

Blogger steveh60 December 05, 2014 8:16 PM  

If gays are "Born this Way" then is it a matter of time before they can be aborted that way.

Most gays support a woman's right to choose don't they?

Anonymous CunningDove December 05, 2014 8:18 PM  

Changing oil or doing tune ups is childs play. I have known a few girls that could do it, but they were farm girls through and through. ~ Starbuck

Guilty as charged. There are a number of things that are heavy & require either strength or knowledge of the equipment used to lift such things... like transmission lifters. I've got the bolt set to remove the stripped out bolts. Now, I do need a supervisor to run the cutting torch, but hey. Nobody's perfect.

I support the let women do their own car work because I have know a few that wanted to tell me that men & women could do the same house hold chores. I laughed at them & told them that they could not do my house hold chores. Most women could not change their own oil or heck even change their own flat tire. Let them do some of that... let them see just how much they don't know what they are talking about. That is why I support such women doing "men's work"... I would also like to see them sharpen the blade on a riding or push mower. These are the things that make me laugh.

Blogger Iowahine December 05, 2014 8:19 PM  

@IM2L844 - My wife seldom has an original creative thought, but she immediately believes she can improve on every one of mine.

Just do what my husband did in our 3rd year of marriage - be louder, intimidate. I didn't give up easily, but we had an infant son at the time, and I was working FT. I was way too tired and there was too much to do. So "challenge" her "challenge" when she's vulnerable; the point is though: shut her down.

Just read VD's comment. This guy's wife probably isn't speaking up out of a claim to have more knowledge as much as to usurp his authority. Regardless, you're still right; challenging her on what she really knows is about the same as my husband raising his voice - a call to defend one's position convincingly. As has been noted before on this blog, we women are awesome "improvers" - nay, fault-finders. I was mentored by my mother, an all time great fault finder, so was kinda surprised when my "gifts" started being rejected by my husband (prior to birth of our son, he was pretty "indifferent" to my "help" - another good tactic but with a lot more wife white noise). In short order, I learned my husband was better - louder, more persistent, and way more determined. It worked. I shut up.

My mantra now is there is no good idea in our home unless it's his. And after 25 fault years of marriage, that isn't sniveling passive-agressiveness. It's the truth.

Blogger James Dixon December 05, 2014 8:57 PM  

> "We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story."

Translation: We're really sorry. Please don't sue us.

Things like this only convince me that abandoning single sex education was a very bad idea.

Anonymous maniacprovost December 05, 2014 9:03 PM  

Louisiana has a primitive peasant culture. One interesting quirk is that the workshop is entirely staffed by men, but we are forced to hire women to handle inventory, paperwork, etc. The reason is that if we have a man handling inventory, he will help with the physical labor to establish his masculinity, and no one keeps track of the paperwork. Chaos ensues.

Anonymous Timmy Z December 05, 2014 10:02 PM  

RE: Rapegate.... 1. There appears to be an actual suspect. 2. Buzzfeed thinks they've identified "Jackie." http://t.co/iQK6SPpPXv

Anonymous ? December 05, 2014 10:06 PM  

So between Lena Dunham and UVA have we reached pake false rape accusation yet?

Anonymous MendoScot December 05, 2014 10:42 PM  

They begin to eat themselves.

Anonymous Kiwi the Geek December 06, 2014 12:36 AM  

To Crude:
I wouldn't say I'm proud of being a woman, but I'm thankful. I am proud of being a lady.

Anonymous Hodge Podge December 06, 2014 12:45 AM  

“Mewling, sackless men who apologize for being men…”

Depends upon what is the definition of “men”.


“The secular manosphere is about how to get a harem or sex, but civilization needs to teach about how to get a wife.”

Exactly why the Roosh’s and Roissy’s of the world contribute observably to the DECLINE of civilization, despite their renunciations against feminism.


“There are lots of female human beings, but very few real women.”


“Real” women meaning “traditional”? Son, those women exist. Except they may be a bit on the older side. Are you willing to sacrifice looks for a female who is average in appearance but will cook, clean, and take care of the children?


“The only reason women are able to support themselves in this society is that we have specific laws erected to ensure “fairness.""



Laws which were developed and implemented by men. Entrepreneurs in particular benefited from this legislation as the means to maximize profits and control costs. They are exercising their freedom of association—they desire females in the workforce. So, how do you propose that these laws be rescinded?


“Rockefeller family as a means to extract more taxes from the populace, and slowly morphed into elites realizing that they could use it to divide and conquer.”



How does one “control” their actions without interfering with their liberty to engage in these efforts? And do you have a citation for your Rockefeller claim?


“Well, unless you're a Gamma. Don't be proud of that. God didn't make you that…”

God made you the person that you are. He has no use for terms arbitrarily created by men. Such a statement is an affront to God and what He stands for.


“No, we live in an increasingly barbaric society, reverting to uncivlized behaviors. Uncivilized men are either thugs (if they're strong enough) or backstabbing toadies (if they aren't) and uncivlized women are sluts (when they're young and pretty) and shrews (when they aren’t).”

Oh, brother. Listen, “Jack”, we live in a “civilized” society in which its members act barbarically. Although, what does “civilized” and “barbarism” even mean anymore?


“this leaves us in a situation where the coldest, cruelest alphas will rule over us.”

Rewritten for accuracy—The coldest, cruelest alphas have ALWAYS ruled over us.


“And all men should ignore fat chicks.”

Please show me, fake Christian Corvinus, the specific Bible passage that God commands men of the faith to adhere to this “advice”.


“Tell a 20-year-old man that the path to daily sex with a willing and attractive woman is to get a good job so he can support a wife and propose to one, set up society and laws so it can work that way, and he'll do that just like his grandfather.”

Not unless that 20-year-old man subscribes to the “pump and dump” lifestyle advocated by the the anti-Godly masculinity crowd.


“But as long as extramarital sex is considered normal and okay…”

Demonstrably true. Advice that is definitively offered by Return of Kings, for example.


“In fact, arguably, women don't like men who are eager to get married.”

Any citations to back up your claim?


“But that means changing everyone else first and rolling back the you-go-girl nonsense that encourages girls to delay marriage as long as possible…”

Well within the liberty and freedom of association to make that decision.

Anonymous Sarcophilus December 06, 2014 1:12 AM  

Trying to find a suitable mate for men these days is downright scary. 
I think the shortage of Priests will be solved in a few years.
But "Get thee to a monastery". It used to be Nunneries were for protecting a sex.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 06, 2014 3:42 AM  

P-dawg gets it. Be a man, not just someone with ay chromosome.

Hodge Podge on the other hand doesn't get it. Really, you have no idea what's civilized an what's barbarv? No, I suppose you don't.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 06, 2014 3:49 AM  

Modern men need to listen to what Dalrock has to say.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 06, 2014 4:02 AM  

?: "So between Lena Dunham and UVA have we reached pake false rape accusation yet?"

No. While the people who love to amplify and encourage false rape accusations continue to enjoy great power, the game will go on.

Anonymous VD December 06, 2014 4:36 AM  

He has no use for terms arbitrarily created by men. Such a statement is an affront to God and what He stands for.

Observably, Biblically wrong.

Please show me, fake Christian Corvinus, the specific Bible passage that God commands men of the faith to adhere to this “advice”.

Do that again, you forked-tongue liar, and you'll be spammed. You are arrogating to yourself the right to judge the hearts of others. I strongly suspect that you do not know the Bible anywhere nearly as well as you claim.

Rewritten for accuracy—The coldest, cruelest alphas have ALWAYS ruled over us.

Again, observably wrong. Do not EVER attempt to rewrite my words again.

what does “civilized” and “barbarism” even mean anymore?

The same thing it always has. Pick up a bloody dictionary and look up the words.

Blogger SirThermite December 06, 2014 5:51 AM  

Thank you, Vox. I've been sitting here spinning for a while now working on a rebuttal for "Hodge Podge" and you've managed to do so in one-tenth the words it would have taken me. But I'm already invested so I'l add the following:

@HodgePodge

"Depends upon what is the definition of “men.”

Read Matthew 19, in which Jesus describes four kinds of men- those designed by their Creator to marry and stay married, eunuchs who were born that way, eunuchs who were made that way by others, and those who "choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." Which (if any) group does most modern incel, feminist-fearing, and/or divorced-raped Gamma males belong to?

"Laws which were developed and implemented by men...they are exercising their freedom of association"

Men used to legally allow minors to work and die in coal mines. Men also legally allowed polygamy. Shall we bring back these "freedom of associations" too?

"The coldest, cruelest alphas have ALWAYS ruled over us."

Moses? King David? Jesus? Jimmy Carter? The current pope (if you're Catholic)? Barak Obama? Yours is both a scriptural and secular fail.

"Please show me, fake Christian Corvinus, the specific Bible passage that God commands men of the faith to adhere to this “advice” [not to marry fat chicks].

Please show me, fake Christian Hodge Podge, the specific Bible passage where God commands women to get oil changes on your cars every 3,000 miles, and to try your damndest not to marry men who are shorter, younger, and/or make less money than you do.

"Well within the liberty and freedom of association to make that decision.

You seem to be OK with "liberty and freedom of association" when it comes to women in the workplace and women choosing to delay marriage, but you're resentful towards the freedom of men to associate and listen to PUA's, and to associate with women in bed without a government-sanctioned marriage certificate. Female Imperative much?

Blogger SirThermite December 06, 2014 6:18 AM  

Oh, and I somehow almost forgot your funniest comment of all @ Hodge Podge:

“Real” women meaning “traditional”? Son, those women exist. Except they may be a bit on the older side. Are you willing to sacrifice looks for a female who is average in appearance but will cook, clean, and take care of the children?"

2nd wave feminism started denigrating SAHM's more than 40 years ago. There are women who are younger than that who are already infertile due to age. What children are they going to take care of? Certainly not my own.

Anonymous Hodge Podge December 06, 2014 2:56 PM  

It is observably true that the temporal kingdom has no authority to coerce in matters pertaining to the spiritual kingdom.


“Men used to legally allow minors to work and die in coal mines. Men also legally allowed polygamy. Shall we bring back these "freedom of associations" too?”

There is no comparing these clear violations in morality compared to men hiring women to work for their companies.


“Please show me, fake Christian Hodge Podge, the specific Bible passage where God commands women to get oil changes on your cars every 3,000 miles, and to try your damndest not to marry men who are shorter, younger, and/or make less money than you do.”


Here is what the Bible says about appearance. Unless someone is able to specifically point it out to me, from what I gather the Good Book says nothing about men rejecting fat women. At my church there are a number of older women (30-35) who are considered overweight by men (10-30 pounds) but are rejected by men outright despite meeting the criteria of traditional women. If there are any sources from past history in which Christian men from the fields of Gdansk, Poland to the bricklayers of Kilkenny, Ireland to the dockworkers of Baltimore, MD who wrote or spoke about their disgust regarding fat Christian females, I am all ears.


Peter 3:3-4

Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

Proverbs 11:22

Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman without discretion.


“eunuchs who were born that way, eunuchs who were made that way by others, and those who "choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven."

Then by this very definition you supplied the anti-Christian PUA’s of the world are not men.


“but you're resentful towards the freedom of men to associate and listen to PUA's...”

Indeed. PUA’s are an abomination to the principles of Christianity.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld December 06, 2014 11:09 PM  

@Hodge Podge
''Here is what the Bible says about appearance. Unless someone is able to specifically point it out to me, from what I gather the Good Book says nothing about men rejecting fat women.''

Yet the bible talks all the time in the song of songs about beauty and the importance it plays in marriage. Do you wish to disregard the fact that God created men to desire beauty and women to desire powerful men. If desire for beauty is so wrong why is it so celebrated in the good book?

Your twisting of the bible is quite gnostic. As if denigrating the physical aspect of man in favor of the non-material spirit is the way to go.

Blogger SirThermite December 07, 2014 4:46 AM  

It is observably true that the temporal kingdom has no authority to coerce in matters pertaining to the spiritual kingdom.

Give to Caeser what is Caeser's. It's true that man does not live by bread alone. But still "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat" - 2 Thessalonians 3:10

There is no comparing these clear violations in morality compared to men hiring women to work for their companies.

Please explain how polygamy is a "clear violation of morality" when the patriarchs engaged in it (see Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon), and Jesus said nothing explicitly condemning it. Also explain how hiring children are any more immoral from a Scriptural standpoint than hiring women, encouraging them to postpone or forego marriage and motherhood for materialistic gain, and even putting them in management positions where men are their inferiors.

At my church there are a number of older women (30-35) who are considered overweight by men (10-30 pounds) but are rejected by men outright despite meeting the criteria of traditional women.

I hope you're equally concerned about women's rejection of Christian men who are short and balding, seeing how they have much less control over their appearance than overweight women do. Also, saying that men should be attracted to older, overweight women because of a scripture advising women not to get caught up in the vanity of hair and jewelry, is the equivalent of saying women should be attracted to men who only make minimum wage because Jesus said men cannot serve both God and money.

Then by this very definition you supplied the anti-Christian PUA’s of the world are not men.

If they are capable of gaining a wife and keeping her for life, then they are more like men than they are like eunuchs.

Indeed. PUA’s are an abomination to the principles of Christianity.

Their personal behavior notwithstanding, what PAU's teach about natural gender roles and behaviors is far more in line with what the founders of Christianity believed about such than what modern, feminized Churchians are teaching from the pulpit. I'm capable of filtering, and would much rather read a book about motorcycle maintenance from a Hell's Angel, than from a pastor who claims that all you have to do is put your bike on a pedestal and pray that it doesn't break down.

Blogger SirThermite December 07, 2014 5:36 AM  

Your twisting of the bible is quite gnostic. As if denigrating the physical aspect of man in favor of the non-material spirit is the way to go.

Well put, standingagainsttheworld. Male attraction is based on physical appearance (aka good genes) and is easily denigrated by feminists (Christian or non) as materialistic, carnal, and corrupt. Beauty is fleeting. But so are emotions, power, income, and social status. Emotional porn is available to every women, without any wrapper or pay-per-view, in ever grocery store checkout line and on daytime TV channels. It would be immensely entertaining to see pastors start taking women to task for their own materialistic "shallowness" of being attracted to men who are seen as good providers, aka powerful, rich, prideful, and "high status." There is ample scripture about the importance of meekness and humility, about the dangers of having or chasing wealth, about how God hates pride, and how God is no respecter of persons. These could easily be twisted to try to shame women for not being attracted to men who are not only "equal" to them, but actually, physically, emotionally, socially, and financially weaker than them. Of course the minute you do this, those same supposedly Christian women and their rationalization hamsters will immediately speak up about how God made men to be more powerful than women, and how men are supposed to be providers...in other words, the things women are attracted to despite claiming they want equality.

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Anonymous Hodge Podge December 07, 2014 12:50 PM  

“Please explain how polygamy is a "clear violation of morality" when the patriarchs engaged in it (see Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon), and Jesus said nothing explicitly condemning it.”

God’s intent for marriage is clear--one man for one woman. One “helper”, not several. Genesis 2:24 demonstrates how a man leaves his family to be joined by his wife, NOT wives. This union is described as “one flesh”.

While there is mention of polygamous relationships in the Bible, they are NEVER presented in a positive manner. Consider the horrific consequences revealed in the Bible for EACH case involving Abraham, David, and Solomon, which is a definitive indication of God’s wrath as a result of such arrangements.


“Yet the bible talks all the time in the song of songs about beauty and the importance it plays in marriage.”

Inner beauty, not outward beauty. Let’s stay on point--where does it say in the Good Book that Christian men are to outright reject fat women?



“explain how hiring children are any more immoral from a Scriptural standpoint than hiring women.”

The Bible nowhere forbids a woman nor a child from working outside the home. However, it is clear how employers are to act regarding their TREATMENT.


“I hope you're equally concerned about women's rejection of Christian men who are short and balding, seeing how they have much less control over their appearance than overweight women do.”


It’s called lifts and hair restoration.


“Also, saying that men should be attracted to older, overweight women...”


I never made that specific claim. I only pointed out that Christian men ought not outright ignore or reject fat women simply because of outward appearance. God is decidedly clear on this matter.


“Their personal behavior notwithstanding, what PAU's teach about natural gender roles and behaviors is far more in line with what the founders of Christianity...”



The sole purpose for PUA’s to embrace that philosophy is to get into the pants of women without any compunction to establish a long-term relationship and bear children as God commands.


“I'm capable of filtering, and would much rather read a book about motorcycle maintenance from a Hell's Angel...”

The advice of this book is far more useful compared to the advice offered by “men” whose exclusive goal is to have sex with women without commitment.

Blogger SirThermite December 08, 2014 3:06 AM  

It’s called lifts and hair restoration.

I note that your tone has softened considerably, Hodge Podge. But are you're saying that a Christian man should wear something to fake his height, and take hormones or get surgery for his hair, so that Christian women find him attractive? This despite the scripture you quoted earlier about how a woman's beauty should not be derived from her outward adornment and the way she wears her hair? Interesting double standard there. I also note that you failed to address my point about women's rejection of men who don't make a certain salary, despite that being a materialistic benchmark too. Wasn't it you who said "God made you the person that you are." So why don't you teach your church sisters to accept and be attracted to every Christian man for being just the way he is? Could it be because God allows for personal preference, at least when it comes to women's personal preference? Please tell me that you exert at least as much effort criticizing your sisters as you do men- get your own house in order, after all. I know it's far easier and less risky to criticize men to their faces, and put the brunt of the responsibility on them, but as a supposedly Christian woman you have far more of a duty and a right to instruct women than you do men.

Anonymous Hodge Podge December 09, 2014 1:49 AM  

“I note that your tone has softened considerably, Hodge Podge.”

I realized who I was talking to. No need for me to beat up a dead horse further. Now, let us stay on point—where does it say in the Good Book that Christian men are to outright reject fat women?


“But are you're saying that a Christian man should wear something to fake his height, and take hormones or get surgery for his hair, so that Christian women find him attractive? “

I will duly note that my blatant attempt at sarcasm went over your head. Next time, as an act of male charity, I will be more succinct. Regardless, there is no double standard. “Christian” women are equal to the task of being just as shallow as Corvinus.


“I also note that you failed to address my point about women's rejection of men who don't make a certain salary, despite that being a materialistic benchmark too.”

No need to comment further on something that is obviously true.


“So why don't you teach your church sisters to accept and be attracted to every Christian man for being just the way he is?”

The church I attend has performed admirably in this endeavor. There is no need to remind them. That is why I did not address this point—perhaps you and your brethren do not have your house in order when it comes to the proper roles of Christian women compared to the males at my congregation.


“Could it be because God allows for personal preference, at least when it comes to women's personal preference?”

Samuel 16:7—But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

God focuses on what people look like on the inside. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to look good, there must be balance. God would rather see us work on our character rather than our biceps. He prefers the kind of man or woman who talks to Him on a regular basis through their Bible, not Cosmopolitan or GQ.

So, the issue is NOT personal preference. The issue is a statement made that is decidedly anti-Christian—stay away from or ignore women who are fat. Would God Himself make that statement?

Blogger SirThermite December 09, 2014 3:19 AM  

"Now, let us stay on point—where does it say in the Good Book that Christian men are to outright reject fat women?"

So, as I suspected, your outrage over a fat shaming comment really was your main point. And you're willing to stoop to pretending to be a man, despite criticizing actual men for their natural rejection of chubby older women in your congregation...and despite claiming that "God made you the person that you are"? Vox was certainly right to call your a "forked-tongue liar" and now you've finally slithered into your corner.

Game. Set. Match.

Anonymous Hodge Podge December 09, 2014 6:55 AM  

"So, as I suspected, your outrage over a fat shaming comment really was your main point."

One of several major points, actually, many of which are rooted in scripture.


"And you're willing to stoop to pretending to be a man, despite criticizing actual men for their natural rejection of chubby older women in your congregation."

Now we going with "chubby", eh? What is "chubby"--10, 20 pounds overweight? What is "fat"? 30, 40, 50 pounds overweight?

Regardless, this "natural rejection" while I acknowledge is biological, is unnatural in the eyes of Christ. That is what most matters.


""God made you the person that you are"?"

I am a Christian male and proud of it.

Blogger SirThermite December 10, 2014 12:57 AM  

"I am a Christian male and proud of it."

You identify as a Christian male, but not as a Christian man? And one who is "proud"? Now you're either intentionally messing with me, or I've been debating an adolescent. The more fool I.

Anonymous Hodge Podge December 11, 2014 12:38 AM  

I note that your tone has softened considerably, SirThermite. Perhaps my offerings of scripture have been enlightening. There is hope for you, yet, provided you enable God to truly enter your life.

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