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Monday, December 15, 2014

When trends won't hold

I think it is amusing that the U.S. Census Bureau still believes there will be a single political entity by 2044, let alone 2060.
New population projections released by the U.S. Census Bureau show that whites will become a “minority” by 2044, replaced by a “majority” of minority groups, mostly blacks and Hispanics.

The new projections, analyzed in a Brookings Institution report, show the huge rise of Hispanics, projected to make up 25.1 percent of the U.S. population in 2044, double African-Americans.

According to the analysis, the white will make up 49.7 percent of the country in 2044, minorities the rest. What’s more, by 2060, whites will account for just 44 percent of the country.
Imagine what the economy of the USA is going to look like when the white population has been halved, mostly due to their replacement by those famously productive Hispanics.... The only thing that is keeping the country together at this point is that the white middle class is still doing just well enough to maintain hope that things are going to turn around eventually. Once that hope is entirely gone, they will be willing to begin taking the risks that they are presently unwilling to take.

The government's primary means of control is based upon the threat of losing your job and your living standard. But once those things are already gone, there is nothing but raw physical force. And we know from 4GW theory how well force devoid of legitimacy and moral authority works in maintaining order.

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Anonymous Porky December 15, 2014 12:09 PM  

Chimichangas!

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother December 15, 2014 12:14 PM  

Guacamoles!

Anonymous Presidente Antonio Villaraigoso December 15, 2014 12:18 PM  

Taco Tuesday!

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 12:23 PM  

Once that hope is entirely gone, they will be willing to take the risks that they are presently unwilling to take.

Breaking bad.

Anonymous Steveo December 15, 2014 12:25 PM  

No te precupes, dog.

OpenID simplytimothy December 15, 2014 12:25 PM  

Love!

I am praying the financial crash happens as the Republicans are being sworn in.

They just put the American people on the hook for $300 Trillion in derivative exposure and the Fracking Bubble is popping.

The look on Boehner,McConnell and Ryan (especially the lying, boy-faced Ryan) faces as interest rates skyrocket and revenues plummet will be comedy gold.

In the face of that calamity, Obama--a Marxist who is getting better at his craft--will massively up the pressure by importing most of South America and all-comers from Ebola land and Mohammed (cursed be his name) land .

Its gonna be a frosty time.


Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 15, 2014 12:27 PM  

No one will want any hassles with my flamethrower.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 15, 2014 12:28 PM  

Oh no! I retract! Love will work! We need plenty of medical dope for the dopers, this should solve all of washingtons and americants issues. dope, dope, dope!

Anonymous Mongo Just Pawn December 15, 2014 12:30 PM  

Tacos!

Anonymous FP December 15, 2014 12:34 PM  

Corre por la frontera.

Anonymous TexMex Chica December 15, 2014 12:36 PM  

Menudo!!

Blogger Salt December 15, 2014 12:39 PM  

Oh, Canada!

Blogger JCclimber December 15, 2014 12:43 PM  

San Francisco Bay Area traffic is being disrupted by two things this last week and this week. Weather is one, but also protestors in Oakland are blocking freeway on and off ramps and this morning are barricading themselves around the Oakland police station. The traffic reports are alarmist as usual, promising dire traffic conditions for the morning commute (which always seem to work themselves out within a couple hours).

There a couple interesting aspects of this protest. First, we've had some recent union strikes in mass transit that generated great hostility against the unions (in this strongly pro-union Democrat fortress), surprising me with their anger as the fat cat unions protested having to pay something like $20 per month for their health benefits, while ONLY getting a 5% raise over the next 3 years or something like that.

Second, because of the above, I'd expect to see even greater hostility against these protestors, yet even I myself am a little bit sympathetic to their cause (as long as they extol Eric Garner and not Michael Brown).

Third, the only people I've heard directly frustrated with the protestors around here are some of the employed African Americans where I work who had to sit in 2 hour traffic to get home instead of their normal 30 minute commute. This is in a work place where plenty of the above demographic has big pictures of Obola hanging proudly in their work cubicles.

I agree the trends won't hold, and tribal identity counts for the biggest portion of most people's loyalty when it is crunch time.

My only hope in the end is in a group of people who take their tribal identity as followers of Christ, above nationality, tribe, race, political party, and everything else. Not hope to save Western Civ, nor to save the United States of America. I believe both of those are toast, but there will be plenty of blood spilt to try and preserve the illusion that they were saved.

Blogger Ghost December 15, 2014 12:48 PM  

But, if we're going by racial breakdowns, whites will still be the majority. There may be a combination of other races that make up more than whites, but no single race in itself. Or am I reading this wrong?

It doesn't really matter, since half of the whites in this country hate white people anyway.

Anonymous Harsh December 15, 2014 12:53 PM  

All I know is in 2044 I'll be minority and when that happens I want free stuff!

Blogger LibertyPortraits December 15, 2014 12:55 PM  

I don't know JC, with the significant percentage of Millennials being areligious, I doubt Christianity will be able to hold together post-US the same way it did post-Roman Empire. Everywhere I've lived there's been at least 5-6 churches in town, but unless you actually go to one you'd have no idea they were even there. It would be interesting to see if Christianity became less of a private thing.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2014 1:01 PM  

Perhaps completely off topic, but my wife sent me a recent townhall article detailing a US breakup: http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2014/12/15/nothing-succeeds-like-liberal-secession-blue-america-without-red-america-would-be-a-basket-case-n1931175

How much more mainstream does secession talk have to get before it get serious consideration by both parties?

Anonymous Will Best December 15, 2014 1:05 PM  

All I know is in 2044 I'll be minority and when that happens I want free stuff!

Well if Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is any indication they will be blaming whites for at least 35 years after they take power so, your free stuff will probably be a bunk in a refugee camp along with all your neighbors while some nice colored families moves into your former houses, and promptly turn your neighborhood into Detroit over the next decade.

Blogger Mr. Bee December 15, 2014 1:08 PM  

A significant proportion of hispanics self report themselves as "white". A significant proportion of hispanics tend to be conservative. I'm not sure this fact is amenable to analysis, but if it wasn't touched upon in the report then the report is faulty.

Blogger Vox December 15, 2014 1:13 PM  

A significant proportion of hispanics tend to be conservative.

No, they don't. And I'm part-Hispanic. That's simply wrong. They're more conservative than Blacks and Jews, but that's not saying much.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 15, 2014 1:17 PM  

It's telling that they actually use the word "replaced," as that is exactly what is happening: race-replacement.

Blogger Salt December 15, 2014 1:18 PM  

The Hispanics in southern California are so conservative, and American, they fly the Mexican flag and send their Dollars south of the border.

Anonymous Daniel December 15, 2014 1:25 PM  

It doesn't really matter, since half of the whites in this country hate white people anyway.

White self-hatred is a luxury good, and will vanish with all the other luxury goods.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 15, 2014 1:25 PM  

"Perhaps completely off topic, but my wife sent me a recent townhall article detailing a US breakup: http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2014/12/15/nothing-succeeds-like-liberal-secession-blue-america-without-red-america-would-be-a-basket-case-n1931175"

That article describes two hells. His "good" America gives John Bolton power and doubles down on the military.

Anonymous NateM December 15, 2014 1:27 PM  

Just had yet another discussion/debate of this with a boomer relative last night. Her argument was that things have always been tough, citing my grandfather as proof. I just pointed out that he barely had a high school education and was a mill worker, vs myself with a college degree. Also he managed to 1) get married 2) buy a house 3) raise 4 kids, something my generation is precluded from doing. Of course she wouldn't listen to this, but this morning I was poking around for further statistics and found

This. Roughly the time my Grandfather was working and raising kids.

According to the CPI inflation calculator 30,000, roughly the average salary a college student can expect, IF they are able to find a job, is the equivalent of 3,740.00 in 1960. So according to that census, that would put them in the Bottom 1/3rd of earning Households in 1960 and well below the stated median of 5620. So comparing apples to apples, it would seem like people starting off are in worse condition today. Oh yea, but once those boomers croak off (after spending all their dough of course) the economy won't take a hit...

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 1:32 PM  

How much more mainstream does secession talk have to get before it get serious consideration by both parties?

"Blue America’s deficit exploded even as Red America balanced its budget, per the one new amendment it had added to the Constitution. But Red America’s budget was strained when the nation had to send its military to support Israel after the Jewish state came under massive attack for destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons program."

So this genius wants to succeed so we can launch another war in the middle east?

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 1:33 PM  

That article describes two hells. His "good" America gives John Bolton power and doubles down on the military.

And a loathsome two year conscription for soldiers to defend Israel...

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 1:36 PM  

Mr Bee: The minimum standard for being both Hispanic and American is to be registered Republican. That's not a high standard, but if they're registered Democrat their here for the gibsmedat, and if their not registered at all they lack civic responsibility. I know that's a pretty rough sorting mechanism, but it's a start.

Anonymous Quartermaster December 15, 2014 1:37 PM  

If you had universal military service you wouldn't see people so willing to go hiding off to war in 3rd world countries at the drop of a hat. Just recall the protests when all the little babies were burning their draft cards and refusing to get shot at in Vietnam.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 1:43 PM  

Ghost: The word you're looking for is "plurality".

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 1:53 PM  

I think that Blacks will no longer matter. They're too stupid and violent, and the money to feed idlers will not be there any more. The economy, even if we regress to barter, will favor the K-selected. The Mestizos, if they still exist, will be the New Niggers, living under a stern Jaime Cuervo regime. (Hat tip to Anonymous Conservative)

Anonymous ZhukovG December 15, 2014 2:00 PM  

Sadly, the best hope for a return to some sanity in this world is the fall of the American Empire.

The American economy is in slow collapse and has been since possibly 2007. The gradual pace has allowed people to cling to hope that things will get better. But all it will take is one Black Swan event to tip it over.

What’s really astonishing is just how precarious the whole thing has gotten just in the last year or two. I am no longer as optimistic as VD and Nate; I think we could be in a serious world of pain very soon.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall December 15, 2014 2:03 PM  

The whites, although dropping in population due to lack of reproduction (I did my part!), are still the most well armed of the population segments. It isn't absolute population, it's military power and that comes down to the willingness to take up arms and possession of the tools of the trade. That rests mostly with whites. Take a look at the historical record of racial breakdown of winners of NRA matches. Hell, an informal poll of local ranges that aren't running official matches will back that data up. Serious marksmen are overwhelmingly white. Some of them are very, very good.

God help the weasels the day somebody starts recruiting old vets that have cancer or some other terminal illness.. and hands them a list of targets. There is much to be said about ballistic superiority in the hands of someone well-trained. Especially somebody that would rather go out fighting, dog-soldier style, than die in humiliation and pain in a hospice.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 2:12 PM  

The minimum standard for being both Hispanic and American is to be registered Republican.

Rubio (R-Cuba) and Cruz (R-Iowa/Israel) agree!

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic December 15, 2014 2:15 PM  

Just recall the protests when all the little babies were burning their draft cards and refusing to get shot at in Vietnam.

Why should any American go get shot at in Vietnam? All these foreign crusades do is deflect from the fact that the American homeland is being deconstructed and invaded.

Whites need to stop signing up for the US military, and resigning/refusing to re-up in large numbers, and everybody else can figure out their own military defense.

Anonymous Marco Rubio December 15, 2014 2:16 PM  

"Rubio (R-Cuba) and Cruz (R-Iowa/Israel) agree!"

I represent Israel just as strongly as Sen Cruz.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 15, 2014 2:19 PM  

Dope, tacos, liquor and lotsa SNAP and medicaid to help all those people out. Americants will let their land turn into a narcoterrorist state! State approved no less.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall December 15, 2014 2:21 PM  

@Anti-Gnostic

No. The wars are winding down and they can get paid to be trained. After they're trained, there are private contractor jobs available over in the sandbox that pay really well. I seriously doubt we have that much time left, but a 4-year enlistment could yield a ranger or recon qual to a motivated kid. After that, it's all about money. Money buys land, food production capabilities and the ability to defend it. That simple.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 2:21 PM  

I represent Israel just as strongly as Sen Cruz.

My apologies, senator.

Well played.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 15, 2014 2:27 PM  

By Hispanics, most people think of Mexican extraction. They are conservatives all right. They want to conserve their Mexican way of life.

Anonymous Will Best December 15, 2014 2:27 PM  

So according to that census, that would put them in the Bottom 1/3rd of earning Households in 1960 and well below the stated median of 5620. So comparing apples to apples, it would seem like people starting off are in worse condition today.

Your logic is off. A college grad is still in his early 20's putting him in the bottom tenth in terms of experience, work history, even if his knowledge base and intelligence might exceed that of the median worker. It is actually a bit silly to assume 4 years of book learning should propel the average college grad to the top half of the income distribution. What it does change is your salary growth curve and your ceiling.

Blogger RobertT December 15, 2014 2:31 PM  

Over the weekend I became convinced the only reason newly re-elected R's would violate their promises within days of the election, and the only reason Cromnibus contained language guaranteeing continued govt bail outs of banks, was because everything is intentional. Faced with an expensive labor force, the CofC looked south and saw the cheap labor they wanted and opened the flood gates. Soon we'll be a slave labor market making profits for multinationals. The only way to defeat it is to rise to the wealth required to live above it.

Anonymous BioShock Jock December 15, 2014 2:33 PM  

To be fair, Mexico is one of the richest countries in the world. So it isn't like Hispanics aren't capable of building a robust economy.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 15, 2014 2:52 PM  

It's revealing that they actually use the term "replaced," as that is exactly what is happening: race-replacement.

[I'm re-reporting my comment from earlier]

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 2:53 PM  

Josh: Being registered GOP is a minimum standard, not a Green Card. There are real Americans of Mexican ancestry. I've known a few. Señor Cruz and Señor Rubio would not make the cut. Most Mexicans would not, but I'm guessing that there are at least 100,000 who would. The rest can go back to the land of their (unknown) fathers.

Blogger JartStar December 15, 2014 2:54 PM  

I wonder if there will be a mass emigration of people of European descent to Europe starting about 2050?

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 2:55 PM  

To be fair, Mexico is one of the richest countries in the world. So it isn't like Hispanics aren't capable of building a robust economy.

Except their gdp per capita is a fifth of the USA.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 2:56 PM  

Josh: Being registered GOP is a minimum standard, not a Green Card. There are real Americans of Mexican ancestry. I've known a few. Señor Cruz and Señor Rubio would not make the cut.

Why not? They meet your minimum standard.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 2:58 PM  

BioShock Jock: If Mexico has such a robust economy, why do so many of their people want to come here? What is the measuring tool of economic robustness?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales December 15, 2014 3:01 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ukjvbm2Nw&list=UUcTaSrzKRG0ZQCsFmjLrfag&index=5

Anonymous bw December 15, 2014 3:02 PM  

[I'm re-reporting my comment from earlier]

+1

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 3:05 PM  

Josh: A minimum standard means anything that falls short is automatically rejected, not that anything that passes is automatically accepted. Don't be dense.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza December 15, 2014 3:05 PM  

When can I say Last of the Mohicans?

Anonymous Mike M. December 15, 2014 3:22 PM  

People keep assuming linear extrapolations. Not the way to bet, I think. Whites are fed up...and I think we'll see the Barrier Wall built by 2020. Not to mention that Obama's antics have exhausted the patience with the ghetto crime culture.

The real question may be whether we wage a Second Mexican War to shorten the border.

Anonymous Mike M. December 15, 2014 3:27 PM  

I'll add a suspicion that a lot of this sort of "analysis" is propaganda intended to beat down resistance to unrestricted immigration.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 3:33 PM  

Mike M: As a rule, all figures concerning Hispanics are lies. They are much worse than TPTB would like you to know.
For a simple example, google the Texas Ten Most Wanted. Even members of Mexican gangs with Spanish first and last names can be "White" according to them.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 3:33 PM  

Josh: A minimum standard means anything that falls short is automatically rejected, not that anything that passes is automatically accepted. Don't be dense.

Uh huh.

So does this "register republican" thing apply to non Mexican Americans as well?

Blogger Robert What? December 15, 2014 3:36 PM  

The ironic thing is that as Hispanics take over from Blacks as the dominant "minority", people will care less and less about what blacks want and what blacks think. Not to mention that supposedly more than 50% of all black pregnancies are "terminated". Blacks think they can make common cause with the tidal wave of illegal immigration against whitey, but in fact they are consigning themselves to utter irrelevancy. And unlike white Liberals, Hispanics cannot be manipulated by guilt

Anonymous dh December 15, 2014 3:40 PM  

"Except their gdp per capita is a fifth of the USA."

Fun fact, this includes foreign remittance receipts. On a GDP of 1.12 trillion, they have about 40B a year in inflows from Mexicans living abroad.

Blogger IM2L844 December 15, 2014 3:42 PM  

I'll add a suspicion that a lot of this sort of "analysis" is propaganda intended to beat down resistance to unrestricted immigration.

Liberals are working hard toward a wholesale paradigm shift and it will come. The problem is that they haven't thought through all the ramifications of synthetic leveling. It will be their undoing as well as ours.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 3:45 PM  

Fun fact, this includes foreign remittance receipts. On a GDP of 1.12 trillion, they have about 40B a year in inflows from Mexicans living abroad.

But on a positive note, lots of that money goes right back to the New York Times via Carlos slim.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 3:51 PM  

Josh: Being a registered Democrat is a point or six against anybody. But party affiliation is too coarse a filter for a serious culling. There are Democrats who simply hate the GOP as the party of Wall Street, but are opposed to all multi-cult crap. It's the multi-cults and their dark minions that are the problem, not honest workingmen with a grudge against high finance.
And no, I haven't voted GOP since Bush I, nor have I ever tuned in Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or any of their kind.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 15, 2014 3:55 PM  

What happens when a country gets so wealthy, that other countries unload their trailer trash into it?

See America.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 15, 2014 3:55 PM  

Its all propaganda and taboos, here today gone tomorrow. The left is making once serious mistake and that as revolutionaries they are jettisoning the big tent for the true believers.

Like the battle against Soviet communism it won't come down to essay upon essays it will come down to a few simple truths repeated over and over and the latest leftard schemes will collapse.

There is nothing to the Left.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 4:02 PM  

And no, I haven't voted GOP since Bush I, nor have I ever tuned in Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or any of their kind.

Are you still register republican?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 15, 2014 4:17 PM  

So one day in early 2013 Rush was crying about two nobodies from the Wash Post calling him "racist", and what did he do but legitimize them. So his listening audience of sensitive white women are ever looking out to never be called "racist" and still thinking the WP is a legitimate outlet for news (cash those checks George Will and may you die of ass rot)

I pray for the day the Right goes full 4GW but I'm still waiting since they are stuck in the 1GW mud.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2014 4:19 PM  

> And a loathsome two year conscription for soldiers to defend Israel...

Hey, it's a republican wet dream, not a libertarian one. I was merely surprised to see it on townhall. That's getting too close to the mainstream for Tad's comfort.

OpenID simplytimothy December 15, 2014 4:19 PM  

Believing Hispanics won't do the same is irrational and the sign of a fearful bigot

DISQUALIFY!!

Let's debunk this sans the historical method so often produced here by taking it to the limits.

Assume the American population dies and Mexico moves to the U.S. of A. Will the U.S of A be American or Mexican within a generation?

Assume they die and China moves here. Will America be American or Chinese?

If you have a lick of sense, you know the answer. For the sake of argument I will assume you have a lick of sense.

There is the extreme limit.

Given the limit at the extreme, at what point does the limit fail to be true? ~ 10% replacement per 100 years? ~ 50% replacement per generation?

Given that the limits exist, by what principle are you stating that they are not being exceeded now?

Or are you just a fearful, ignorant immigrant bigot?




Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 4:20 PM  

GarsaY: No they don't. Jews, for example, have not assimilated. Instead, they have taken control and forced us to assimilate to their values.
Not all cultures are similar enough to ours to assimilate. Mexicans, for example, have a national narrative that they'd be a Great Nation if the Gringos hadn't taken over the Southwest, so they are brought up with a grudge against White Americans. Adopting American ways is anathema to many of them. Hostile immigrants don't assimilate well. They accept bribery as normal and expected. They have a murder rate five times ours. To assimilate, and some do, calls for them to give up a culture that suits them too well. And they will hardly assimilate if they are allowed to keep their culture and still get affirmative action, welfare, and come in such numbers that they are the majority. Note how towns change when Mexicans displace Whites. Bars on every window are only the most obvious sign that they have re-created Mexico inside America.
Jews, for another example, have an ancient culture of rejecting the other peoples they must live among. You don't remain a separate nation for millennia without a national territory unless you can prevent assimilation. They have long taught their children to despise the Goyim. Had they not, they'd all be Poles or Germans by now.

Blogger Pseudotsuga December 15, 2014 4:20 PM  

GarsaY: "Every single immigrant group (race, ethnic, nationality, religion) that has willingly immigrated to the US has, after a few generations, become a fully integrated part of Population, contributing and embracing the liberal values and principles of the country."
Except the same people who came here THEN are not the same types who are coming here NOW. Their reasons and demographics are different.
My Scandinavian ancestors didn't come here for free welfare goodies, but for land and expansion room. My German-speaking-Protestant-dissenter ancestors came here to escape Europe's sectarian violence, not because the government was going to take care of them and help them create a better life for them while they sent dollars back home.
Also the government is different now than it was in the 1850s, or the early 1700s. Believing that Hispanics will, after a few generations, contribute and embrace the "liberal values and principles" of the country depends on what principles and values you are referring to.
Also, claiming that "Hispanics" (whatever that term means) will, as a mass bloc of humans, choose to change their mindset, values, ethics, and so on is also irrational. What incentive do they have to do so, especially in the modern world where travel is so easy and commerce in international? My ancestors (4 to 6 generations ago) only took one generation to break with the old world and become Americans.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 4:27 PM  

Opps. All that work, and Garsay has gotten spammed. But you can still read me, can't you, twerp?

Josh: I am still registered GOP. It allows me to vote for the most right-wing candidate available in the primary election. They never win, but I make the effort anyway.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 4:28 PM  

Hey, it's a republican wet dream, not a libertarian one. I was merely surprised to see it on townhall. That's getting too close to the mainstream for Tad's comfort.

Have you seen this book?

Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 4:30 PM  

Josh: I am still registered GOP. It allows me to vote for the most right-wing candidate available in the primary election. They never win, but I make the effort anyway.

I am glad you meet the minimum standards for being a REAL TRUE AMERICAN (TM).

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 4:33 PM  

For those of you hoping and praying for economic collapse so that you can cheer on old white guys with guns aimed at hispanics, you'll just have to wait. 2015 is poised to be the best year economically in the U.S. since 2007.

You'll have to find another excuse to murder people who are brown skinned. I suspect that won't be hard however.

OpenID simplytimothy December 15, 2014 4:49 PM  

2015 is poised to be the best year economically in the U.S. since 2007.

Source?

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 5:10 PM  

Josh: So what's your point? I don't see you arguing for La Raza. Do you disagree with my opinion that some Mexicans are good Americans? Don'y be coy.

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 5:13 PM  

So what's your point?

Using party registration to determine if someone is a real American is dumb.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 5:18 PM  

Walter Craftman: I have no desire to murder Brown people. I only wish to live in the country I was born in, and that is not Mexifornia. That, apparently, is genocide in your eyes.

Tell me, can you move to Mexico and become a citizen? No? Then why should Americans not have the same right to choose who shall become a citizen of our country? Are we genocidal because we want the same rights as Mexicans? If so, are Mexicans genocidal for not letting us become citizens of their country?

Blogger Rantor December 15, 2014 5:24 PM  

I realize I am late to this conversation... But just heard on talk radio that the new budget bill includes provisions calling for the immigration of 100,000 Muslims a month to America.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 5:33 PM  

Josh: Don't be dumb. Party affiliation is a start. The Democrats will always outbid the GOP with freebies for non-Whites. Mexicans who vote Democrat are much more likely to be here for the free ride than those who vote GOP.

Think of it this way. Party registration is like race, a strong hint of probable attitudes about issues that matter to Whites. Unlike information gathered by torture, it is freely and honestly given, and therefore less likely to be tainted by a fear of retribution.
But I suppose that we could always torture Mexicans to see if they'll make good Americans.

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 5:34 PM  

"I have no desire to murder Brown people. I only wish to live in the country I was born in, and that is not Mexifornia. That, apparently, is genocide in your eyes."

Assuming you do live in the U.S., then you really DO want to live in this think you call "Mexifornia"....though I'm not sure what you mean by that. In any case you could move.


"why should Americans not have the same right to choose who shall become a citizen of our country?"

We do have that right. We have the right as citizens to embrace any policy we want.


"Are we genocidal because we want the same rights as Mexicans? If so, are Mexicans genocidal for not letting us become citizens of their country?"

I'm not sure why so many white guys are genocidal.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 15, 2014 5:39 PM  

Wow, these peoples really suck. If they want to predict the future they have to be more like Nostradamus, and use vague descriptors that apply to many situations.
Remember when Japan was going to rule the World by selling big-screen TVs? Or when the Kabbalah was so popular everyone was going to be a Jew?
This is worse than the Psychic Friends Network! These people are about as good at predicting the future as The Government Accounting Office is good at estimating the cost of Government Cheese factories that produce White Elephants that no one wants to point out in the room.
How are all these vibrant savages and barbarians going to live in America when the Free Cheese Program drowns in red ink? Are they all going to mow lawns? Who's going to pay for that? These Jew Billionaires are TOO CHEAP to use their own money.
When the Cheese runs out The Rat Race is going to come to a quick halt. Twenty Years from now, America may look Whiter than Mayberry North Carolina!

OpenID simplytimothy December 15, 2014 5:41 PM  

@Walter Craftman,

you wrote: 2015 is poised to be the best year economically in the U.S. since 2007.

Per rule #2 of the blog, back up your statement.


http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009/01/rules-of-blog_01.html

Blogger Josh December 15, 2014 5:42 PM  

Unlike information gathered by torture, it is freely and honestly given, and therefore less likely to be tainted by a fear of retribution.

Yeah...it's not like progressives have ever gone after someone for their political stance...

Blogger jimmy-jimbo December 15, 2014 5:44 PM  

"it is amusing"

Why would it be amusing to see that political power "is" actually being transferred from the whites to the non-whites? It has already happened. The whites capitulated to the black sitting president. He is no lame duck. He is not afraid to exert his power and the whites just allow it. Or maybe the strategy is just letting him get his way.

This is the elitist tap dance. They still win.

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 6:01 PM  

you wrote: 2015 is poised to be the best year economically in the U.S. since 2007.

Per rule #2 of the blog, back up your statement.

-GDP steadily increasing
-Consumer Confidence steadily increasing
-Exports steadily increasting
-Unemployment decreasing
-Consumer Spending increasong
-Business investment increasing
-manufacturing increasing
-Wine Sales increasing
-Increasing hourly earnings

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 6:02 PM  

Walter Craftman: I do live in the U.S. There is no honest reason to think I don't. You are dishonest.

Why does wanting to live in the country I was born in mean that I want to live with the pathologies that your kind has brought in? Don't tell me that you live among the Mexicans.

Don't lie about your not grasping what Mexifornia means, if you think you can avoid it.

When the majority say that they don't want to be flooded with Mexicans, and the government still floods us with Mexicans, then we don't have a choice who becomes a citizen of our country. Don't pretend otherwise, liar.

How are White guys genocidal? Because we want our government to look out for our interests rather than the interests of Mexico and of cheap labor corporations?
Are you genocidal because you live in a White neighborhood?

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 6:07 PM  

Josh: Are you suggesting that Mexicans register Democrat because their afraid that leftist Whites will punish them otherwise? When do leftists ever challenge non-Whites?

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 6:09 PM  

"Don't lie about your not grasping what Mexifornia means, if you think you can avoid it. "

I don't know what it means. There. I didn't lie. Happy?


"When the majority say that they don't want to be flooded with Mexicans, and the government still floods us with Mexicans, then we don't have a choice who becomes a citizen of our country. Don't pretend otherwise, liar."

I missed this election about Mexicans. Was that 2008 or 2012?

What do you have against people with brown skin? Are you afraid of them? Or are you just straight up bigoted like the mid 19th Century protestants were about Irish, Italians and Jews?

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 6:15 PM  

Wine sales increasing. That is not a standard of measuring the economy that would have occurred to me. Maybe it means that the well-connected will be doing better in 2015.

Anonymous BioShock Jock December 15, 2014 6:18 PM  

"BioShock Jock: If Mexico has such a robust economy, why do so many of their people want to come here? What is the measuring tool of economic robustness?"

My guess is that life is still better for the average working class person in America than Mexico.

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 6:22 PM  

"Wine sales increasing. That is not a standard of measuring the economy that would have occurred to me. Maybe it means that the well-connected will be doing better in 2015"

There is a strong correlation between strong wine sales and a rising economy. It is almost always a leading indicator.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 15, 2014 6:32 PM  

"Don't lie about your not grasping what Mexifornia means, if you think you can avoid it. "

I don't know what it means."

It means that instead of being the Golden State, California is now the Brown Stubby State.

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 15, 2014 6:38 PM  

It means that instead of being the Golden State, California is now the Brown Stubby State."

Really? That's what it means? Hard to figure out why the guy is so frazzled over there being some brown skinned people in CA. He still has the vineyards, the ocean, the redwoods, the Sierra Nevada, the winning sports teams, the diverse political regions, the diverse economy, the great weather, the close proximity to other vacation spots, the international airports, San Francisco, abundance of organic foods, tons of locally made craft beers-spirits-cider, lots of white people and white dominated towns.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 6:51 PM  

Walter Craftman: Mexifornia is an easy idea to grasp. Even leftists grasp it immediately, and are suitably offended. That's why the word was coined. You do understand, and you remain a liar.

In California, Proposition 187 passed overwhelmingly in 1994. It was disallowed by the courts. Other states have passed measures to address immigration, also disallowed by the courts. Were there national referendums in this country, we could all enjoy the spectacle of the U.S. Supreme Court disallowing the will of the people, as expressed by those elections. As it is we have only state elections that have directly addressed the matter of immigration.
And stop lying. You don't want the Mexicans in your neighborhood, why would you think that others want them in theirs?

I have nothing against people with brown skin. I have been arguing on this very post that some Mexicans are good Americans as well. But as a thinking man, I have the ability to make finer distinctions than color. Most Mexicans are pretty piss-poor material for a First World country. They do not generally value education, they tend toward lawlessness, they are careless, and they are perfectly happy to take freebies from the Gringoes and never feel the least bit of gratitude. You see, I used to teach Mexicans. Before that I worked with them in factories. "Dime, tengo usted el martillo plastico?" It's not bigotry, I know what I'm talking about, liar.

Blogger JCclimber December 15, 2014 6:54 PM  

"I missed this election about Mexicans. Was that 2008 or 2012?"

I don't know what election he has in mind, but here in Kalifornia, we have passed several propositions in the past showing that illegal immigrants are unwelcome (teach only English in school, etc). Oh, and even against a united elite standing against it, we voted against gay marriage in Kalifornia as well.

All of which are run over by a semi-trailer of progressivism driven by the elites.

They have denied the will of the electorate countless times, using the control of the court systems and the media and the schools and the political power bases.

History shows that when the will of the people is consistently thwarted by legal means, the will is exerted by extra-legal means. We don't have to like it, endorse it, nor cheer it on, but many on here recognize that it is inevitable.

There are many who dread that blood soaked day's arrival, but secretly there is a growing reluctant acceptance of the need for the bloodletting, because justice is denied under the current fascist government.

Blogger automatthew December 15, 2014 6:57 PM  

Shut up, Tad.

Blogger JCclimber December 15, 2014 7:09 PM  

I've been a native Kalifornian for over 4 decades. Walter, I bet you've never spent a night in a majority diverse neighborhood in Kalifornia. Staying at the Four Seasons hotel in East Palo Alto doesn't count.

You visited any of our free public parks lately? You been there with some of your family and friends enjoying a holiday when a 8 or 10 blacks or mexicans show up? And you think, well, they're a little noisy, but hey, there are only a handful of them, how bad can it get?

And then another group joins them, and another and another until there are 30 or 50 of them, with 2 large scale boom boxes blaring rap (the blacks) or mariachi musice ( the mexicans) at sublethal volume? And their 20 or so vibrant little munchkins are running around screaming at the top of their lungs and fighting and "borrowing" your children's toys and running right through your reserved area?

Nah, you're still in your gated white community up in Napa, sipping your wine, deploring all the poor benighted masses while discussing the nice little "authentic" mexican food place you discovered on Yelp.

It doesn't bother you that you've got to stay with your children at the waterpark, at the amusement park, at the ballpark, and the city park, and the river, at the beach, at the free city concert, because you (A) don't have any children, or (B) wouldn't be caught dead doing such ordinary activities, or (C) pretend that you don't feel the slightest discomfort by the blatant "Vibrant" behavior increasing all around you, because you don't want to think of yourself as a racist.

But others have noticed. And are less concerned about appearing to be racist. Some of us because our ancestors were here before theirs were, and others because it has lost its power as a shaming tool.

Anonymous Discard December 15, 2014 7:22 PM  

Walter Craftman: Providing services for brown people who do not pay their way is bankrupting the State, that and government employee pensions. State Parks are being abandoned for lack of money to pay the rangers. Mexican gangs have moved into some of them, using them as hideouts and places to dump bodies. (Angeles National Forrest, next to Los Angeles, is the biggest dumping ground, but in other parts of the state they use unpatrolled State Parks.) Look in any Mexican neighborhood, including the formerly White one I grew up in, and you see steel fences around houses and bars on windows. Mexicans bring crime, and you know it.
Beach cities are banning bonfires because the Mexicans love to party there, and leave trash all over. Highway 39 has remained closed for decades because the environmentalists know that the Mexicans that have turned San Gabriel Canyon into a trash pit would do the same on the Angeles Crest Highway if access were easier.
Sports teams? Just make sure that you don't go to Dodger Stadium unless you're a Dodgers fan. You might end up like the Giants fan who will spend the rest of his life a cripple after Mexicans beat him senseless.

This could go on endlessly. You are a lying sack of shit who lives in a White zone with your craft beers and organic markets. Any Mexicans at your Farmers' market? Other than the vendors, of course? Like all leftists, you despise the White working class. You pretend to think well of the Mexicans because it allows you and your friends to look down on others and call them racists. But we are no more racist than you, just less hypocritical.

Anonymous Tar Heel December 15, 2014 7:38 PM  

Concerned Waltroll is concerned.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 15, 2014 7:39 PM  

Oh, Walter Crapman is SO CRAFTY! Is that a yamulke you have underneath your cheap toupee. You know who needs lots of Brown People? Israel! That damn racist apartheid state full of racist light-skinned bigots who hate people of color! RACISTS!

Anonymous Shut Up, Tad December 15, 2014 8:35 PM  

Shut up, Tad

Anonymous Zuckerberg's Divorce Attorney December 15, 2014 10:05 PM  

Ferguson marks the end of the Age of the Phony White Liberal. POC are demanding POC as leaders and all whites regardless of political affiliation are now designated enemy. Any white face will do now when some dark fellow desires a little justice n peace. Hanging around the Diversity has just gotten a lot more dangerous. LOL

Blogger automatthew December 15, 2014 10:16 PM  

I beat you by an hour and a half, Shut Up Tad.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 15, 2014 11:39 PM  

Waltad Crapman adopts the same banal positions that every sanctimonious leftist has before him. When told about the disastrous real-world consequences of his leftoid policies...

- He refuses to accept any such linkage and therefore responsibility.
- If it hasn't happened everywhere including right here right now where he's standing, then it's not happening anywhere and never will.
- For everything you tell him, he will put his hands over his ears and sneer "disqualify".

Waltad, everyone here has heard such nonsense before and dealt with it handily. You're not fooling anyone, so just go away.

Anonymous Will Best December 15, 2014 11:50 PM  

Look in any Mexican neighborhood, including the formerly White one I grew up in, and you see steel fences around houses and bars on windows.

Its not serious until they start gluing the glass shards to the top like in Mexico.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow December 16, 2014 12:11 AM  

Meanwhile in Germany, 15,000 PEGIDA supporters take to the streets in Dresden. Heute Deutschland, Morgen die Welt!

Blogger Patrikbc December 16, 2014 12:27 AM  

Walter craftman: Hard to figure out why the guy is so frazzled over there being some brown skinned people in CA. He still has blah, blah, blah, San Francisco.

Yeah, so what if your overrun by immigrants and street gangs, just hide your bicycle and take comfort in the fact that you still have hordes of faggots.

Blogger Patrikbc December 16, 2014 12:34 AM  

Besides we're not racist, some of our favorite blog owners are part beaner!

Anonymous Jack Amok December 16, 2014 3:52 AM  

I am glad you meet the minimum standards for being a REAL TRUE AMERICAN (TM).

Now Josh, if someone just moved here from some mud-streeted hole in Oaxaca, they could be excused for thinking the Republican were the conservative, small-government, sane party. That's what the advertising says anyway. It probably takes at least two elections to become jaded.

Anyway, the real test is to see how well the Spanish language versions of Castalia House offerings are selling.

Anonymous Walter Craftman December 16, 2014 8:18 AM  

well, I do hate niggers, and I'm a queer.

Anonymous Michael December 16, 2014 9:27 AM  

You can thank the Zio-Marxists for multiculturalism.

Anonymous ZT December 16, 2014 10:33 AM  

On the bright side it will probably spark a 3rd and 4th party system. But will they start shooting at each other first?

Sadly the best way to "civilize" either minority is with money and prosperity. When they have nothing they have no problem taking it from others. When they have something they tend to start thinking differently in order to protect it.

Problem is the wealthy have broken the balance and the middle class is dwindling, if you don't have a large enough middle class then the poor feel no hope (and you have no protection) and will start to pillage upper classes. We have seen the size of the poor growing partially due to importation of immigrants who are poor.

I do not share VD's pessimism of race as I have seen the capability within various members of the races. The bigger problem is that the mass of ignorant people in these poorer groups are overwhelming the civilizing process. For every successful black man that is civilized there are 10000 ignorant savages. The black community killing their unborn has only magnified this issue. The Hispanics don't terminate their unborn. However they also don't have long term thinking as a whole and because their is such a mass of poor there is so few wealthy Hispanics showing them how they could change.

Question: How have we not split the "Hispanic" groups yet? There is Aztlan-Mexicans and Spanish-Mexicans'. In general I have had very good dealings with the Spanish-Mexican's and frankly would think most of them are "white" if they didn't speak Mexican so well. However my dealings with Aztlan based groups has been mixed and generally falls along the lines of which person is a strong Catholic or not.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus December 16, 2014 10:37 AM  

Walter Craftman: "well, I do hate niggers, and I'm a queer."

Who could doubt it?

Anonymous Cail Corishev December 16, 2014 11:16 AM  

The black community killing their unborn has only magnified this issue. The Hispanics don't terminate their unborn.

Will the myth of "super-Catholic family-values Hispanics" ever die? In some of their native countries abortion is still illegal, thanks to them being at least nominally Catholic. But when they come to the US, they have double the abortion rate of whites. It doesn't appear that they're all that pro-life when they have a choice, unless you make the assumption that mass immigration draws those who are looking for more permissive morality laws, which is worth considering -- and would be yet another good reason to close the border.

Blogger James Dixon December 16, 2014 11:53 AM  

> Have you seen this book?

I hadn't, no. I'll forward the link on.

> 2015 is poised to be the best year economically in the U.S. since 2007.

And that's such a high bar to set.

> -GDP steadily increasing
-Consumer Confidence steadily increasing
-Exports steadily increasting
-Unemployment decreasing
-Consumer Spending increasong
-Business investment increasing
-manufacturing increasing
-Wine Sales increasing
-Increasing hourly earnings

A good half of which are easily disproven with a quick Google search.

Anonymous Discard December 16, 2014 12:57 PM  

Walter Craftman: If that's really you and not an imposter, why do you hate Black people? Why are you afraid of people with Black skin? Are you just straight up bigoted like 19th Century blah blah blah?

Most likely you find it easier to give a blow job to a wetback in an alley without getting the shit beat out of you. Blacks hate White homos and enjoy knocking them down.

Anonymous Discard December 16, 2014 1:01 PM  

Jack Amok: Unless things have changed in the last few years, there are no Mexican bookstores in Los Angeles. Two million Mexicans is not a sufficient number to support one bookstore. Any Castalia House Spanish language books will likely sell better in Spain than in the U.S.

Anonymous Discard December 16, 2014 1:18 PM  

ZT: The Hispanics are split along racial lines, the Whiter the higher as a rule. But it's within the family, they don't hang their dirty laundry out for the Gringoes to see.
When I was teaching Mexicans, there would be mean girl cliques. The few White girls in the school could be part of them, but not even the prettiest darker girl could. The kids were much more attuned to color than I was, and the Mexican teachers had to clue me in.
Part of it, I think, is that Whitish Mexicans run the politics. The head of Beaner Studies at State U. is not going to tell us how much he despises the Mestizos, he tells us how much We despises the Mestizos, and how we can mitigate that by supporting his program.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 16, 2014 10:49 PM  

Jack Amok: Unless things have changed in the last few years, there are no Mexican bookstores in Los Angeles. Two million Mexicans is not a sufficient number to support one bookstore. Any Castalia House Spanish language books will likely sell better in Spain than in the U.S.

Well then, I think we have our answer.

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