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Sunday, January 25, 2015

Be the dragon

At Alpha Game, I comment upon the importance of being the dragon, not the self-styled paladin and self-appointed dragon-slayer. But one part of the Loneliest Paladin's twitterstorm was relevant here for its illustration of rabbitology:
MikeBrendan @MikeBrendan
Things I don't get: why Ghaters would rally around Vox Day. Dude is the epitome of loser.

MikeBrendan @MikeBrendan
Not only did Vox get kicked out of SFWA for being a racist homophobic sexist dipshit, he took sixth place on a five person ballot.
Note that insufficient popularity with a small and specific group is equated with being "the epitome of loser"... by someone with no friends and not much of a life. Success, in the rabbit's world, is something that depends entirely upon the level of acceptance by the warren. Everything else is irrelevant.

Rabbits don't understand that wolves respect strength and loyalty, even when exhibited in causes of no interest to them. Rabbits fear strength and have no loyalty, so the concepts are alien to them. They genuinely can't understand the concept of standing up for someone because that someone stood up for you, even if you don't like him, respect him, or want anything to do with him. For all that they are herd animals, they are not team players; in their own way they are more ruthlessly self-serving than the most ideological self-sovereign libertarian.

And speaking of rabbitology, see how the rabbits cry when their warrens are invaded and they learn they don't possess the power they flaunted so foolishly:
GamerGate set out to writes its own story in Wikipedia – and to spread the dirt about the women who were its targets. These efforts were blocked by established editors under established Wikipedia policy. In retaliation, GamerGate planned an operation to get rid of its opponents – the “Five Horsemen” active in preserving objectivity and in keeping scurrilous sexual innuendo out of the encyclopedia. As a side-game, GamerGate also launched efforts to promote the idea that “Cultural Marxism” is a conspiracy of some Jewish academics to control the media.

The original GamerGate operation targeted the "five horsemen:" Ryulong, NorthBySouthBaranof, Tarc, TheRedPenOfDoom, and TaraInDC. All were sanctioned in the draft decision.

For months, these Wikipedia pages have been an escalating scene of daily – indeed hourly – conflict.

The Purge

Yesterday, ArbCom announced its preliminary decision. A panel of fourteen arbitrators – at least 11 of whom are men – decided to give GamerGate everything they’d wished for. All of the Five Horsemen are sanctioned; most will be excluded not only from “Gamergate broadly construed” but from anything in Wikipedia touching on “gender or sexuality, broadly construed.”

By my informal count, every feminist active in the area is to be sanctioned. This takes care of social justice warriors with a vengeance — not only do the GamerGaters get to rewrite their own page (and Zoe Quinn’s, Brianna Wu’s, Anita Sarkeesian’s, etc.); feminists are to be purged en bloc from the encyclopedia. Liberals are the new Scientologists as far as Arbcom is concerned.

No sanctions at all were proposed against any of GamerGate’s warriors, save for a few disposable accounts created specifically for the purpose of being sanctioned. The administrator who wrote, regarding Zoe Quinn’s sexual history, that

    I know other other allegations exist but will not state what those on WP are because that would be a BLP violation at the current time.

was not even mentioned. The many brand-new accounts who arrived in December with no Wiki experience, but possessing a curiously detailed knowledge of Wikipedia policy jargon, are unmentioned, save for the fact that the decision rests almost entirely on their proposals.

The extensive evidence of off-site collusion, which Wikipedia considers so improper that evidence must not be discussed on wiki but rather submitted in confidence, appears to have been entirely ignored. (I submitted such evidence myself, but received no acknowledgment or thanks; I have been told that much additional evidence was submitted.)
Notice how the upset rabbit appeals to "established editors and established policy" (better described as activist editors and self-imposed customs), despite the fact that the editors concerned were quite clearly VIOLATING Wikipedia policy, and doing so rather egregiously. What appears to have happened is that Wikipedia is finally beginning to act against the SJW thought police who make a practice of attempting to define the public narrative by exerting personal ownership over particular pages of interest.

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Anonymous Steve January 25, 2015 6:10 PM  

'Yesterday, ArbCom announced its preliminary decision. A panel of fourteen arbitrators – at least 11 of whom are men – decided to give GamerGate everything they’d wished for. All of the Five Horsemen are sanctioned; most will be excluded not only from “Gamergate broadly construed” but from anything in Wikipedia touching on “gender or sexuality, broadly construed.”

By my informal count, every feminist active in the area is to be sanctioned. This takes care of social justice warriors with a vengeance — not only do the GamerGaters get to rewrite their own page (and Zoe Quinn’s, Brianna Wu’s, Anita Sarkeesian’s, etc.); feminists are to be purged en bloc from the encyclopedia. Liberals are the new Scientologists as far as Arbcom is concerned.'

Wow! That's wonderful news. Keep up the good work everyone!

Anonymous kh123 January 25, 2015 6:28 PM  

From Wikipodium to Wikiperestroika. Is left to be seen how open or lasting this new trend will turn out to be. A relief to see some of the old chains fall, but have to wonder how much of this coincides with Wikipedia rattling the cup change at almost every page turned.

Anonymous Salt January 25, 2015 6:29 PM  

First, this is the end of the Wiki Way. We have a blueprint now that shows how any decently-funded group with a modicum of access to the media – which is to say any group (unlike GamerGate) not patently criminal

#Gamergate patently criminal? Hey, wabbits... wait till @Nero's book comes out. The end of the Wiki Way. That's funny.

Anonymous AlteredFate January 25, 2015 6:40 PM  

If Wikipedia continues on this path soon it will actually be usable as a reference. Well maybe that is a little too much to hope for but removing feminists and their worthless perspectives from any topic is a great first step to being seen as legitimate by the thinking community.

Anonymous Salt January 25, 2015 6:41 PM  

If a mature and well-funded site like Wikipedia can’t distinguish between reason and perfidious slander

Except for in Wabbitism, reason is not antonym to slander as to allow any distinction between them. These poor wabbits, can it get any better than this?

Anonymous My Dead Gramps January 25, 2015 6:52 PM  

The shrieks of protest that gamers accept support from unpopular right wingers is amusing. If I'm outnumbered, cornered and under heavy fire, I don't give a damn whether or not the cavalry shares my world view on gay sex. I don't need your approval, I need you to cover my flank while we move on the hill.

Of course, these people don't last 5 minutes in any online pvp game, so the idea that a meany with a potty mouth can be accepted, let alone revered is unthinkable.

Anonymous MrGreenMan January 25, 2015 6:56 PM  

And the part where government money was used by schools like Michigan State to hold workshops to have feminist volunteers write women into the articles, that was all OK with the Wiki Way of keeping a monied interest from writing its opinion into articles as fact?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 25, 2015 7:03 PM  

Remember the rule that SJW always lie.

This one did, the actual proposed sanctions on the "Five Horsemen" are not as severe as claimed for all of them. One never even had a vote on more than being "admonished". I think the ones who got the worst sanctions, certainly two of them, have long caused trouble on Wikipedia.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 25, 2015 7:13 PM  

Huh. I'm genuinely shocked and impressed by the Wiki win. Good job for the guys involved in that.

Anonymous Will Best January 25, 2015 7:28 PM  

A relief to see some of the old chains fall, but have to wonder how much of this coincides with Wikipedia rattling the cup change at almost every page turned.

Ordinarily I give wikipedia $10 each year. This year I sent a note as to why I declined to do so, and their habbit of letting activist @#@$ all over various pages was #1 on that list.

Anonymous MrGreenMan January 25, 2015 7:32 PM  

@ That Would Be Telling

Yes, after reading through all the muck in their talk pages, the article writer is protesting too much and trying to pretend they've received anything more than a smack on the wrist. Some of the editors appear to have received awards from Wikipedia for their actions in this.

Oh, it smarts! Please, please don't give me another harshly-worded talk page comment! I shall simply melt!

Anonymous Trimegistus January 25, 2015 7:37 PM  

I am sitting here absolutely slack-jawed with amazement. I would never have expected Wikipedia to stand up to SJWs in any way, at any time.

Even allowing for the inevitable lefty hyperbole, it sounds as though the Wikipedia arbitrators made a reasonable decision based on facts and chose in favor of accuracy and openness rather than ideology and cliquishness. Astounding.

Cynical question: will it last? Or will this bring a renewed SJW offensive to purge Wikipedia of all but the most radical lefties? Will their vicious vindictiveness or their cowardliness win out?

Anonymous Anubis January 25, 2015 7:56 PM  

"I am sitting here absolutely slack-jawed with amazement. I would never have expected Wikipedia to stand up to SJWs in any way, at any time."

They may have realized that the SJW will complain but never pay.

Anonymous NateM January 25, 2015 8:00 PM  

Yea, surprising the Wikipedos actually cracked down. Usually they don't care about following the stated rules if it goes against their agenda. For example not allowing edits identifying John Scalzi's habit of crossdressing and raping women. After all it is sourced from his own words

Anonymous Daniel January 25, 2015 8:07 PM  

Pft. Brianna Wu's entry is still hagiography. I don't see this as anything other than a crass attempt to woo sane donors back to the fold without changing a bit of the SJW fauxiopathy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 25, 2015 8:14 PM  

A big part of this is that Wiki is very dependent on volunteers working for nothing at all, in exchange the volunteer gets a modicum of power.

That is a situation tailor made for SJWs.

Still, I was surprised to learn that Wiki does indeed seem to value a reputation for impartiality.

OpenID cailcorishev January 25, 2015 8:19 PM  

Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything to really change. But it does show that the WP owners, unlike the herd rabbits, understand that the appearance of objectivity is critical to their success, at least.

Anonymous Steve January 25, 2015 8:29 PM  

Who is Mike Brendan?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 25, 2015 8:32 PM  

Daniel: And the GamerGate controversy page, at least its summary, not worth reading the whole thing, regurgitates the SJW party line.

For Wikipedia, this is a contretemps about means, not ends. We are very much not winning in that forum, except by further demonstrating how little it can be trusted.

Blogger bob k. mando January 25, 2015 8:36 PM  

one thing i haven't seen anyone comment on:
"why Ghaters would rally around Vox Day. "


how is this formulation of 'Gater' not a conflation of "ghey" ( nerdspeak for Gay, in order to get around obscenity filters ) + Gamer Gater?

and can't the use of "Gay" as a slur be used ( rhetorically ) to invalidate the Loneliest Paladin's attack?

Anonymous Steve January 25, 2015 8:54 PM  

And - Vox recently suggested that non-rabbity folks should join Twitter to fight the good fight there. He was very persuasive and I do approve of mocking social justice warriors, so I nearly took his advice. But...

From what I can tell about Twitter, it's a medium where random SJW manginas and deranged trannies with lots of time on their soft, sticky hands can safely hurl insults at you that they would never dare to in real life.

I wouldn't allow people like that to set foot on my property, so I'm not keen on exchanging notes with them over the internet. Unlike, say, Mike Brandon, I have a wife, kids, a demanding job, friends, and other real-world responsibilities. When I'm not around, people notice. And unlike Vox, I don't have the liberty of being self employed.

So a near-real-time communications platform like Twitter would leave me heavily disadvantaged to lonely incels like Mike Brandon who have all the time of their empty, wasted lives to cyberstalk their betters.

So, no Twitter for me. If they come up with a new system where SJW's line up at my doorstep for a complimentary punch in the teeth, I could probably spare half an hour a day for that. Except when I'm taking the boys on a day trip.

Anonymous Harsh January 25, 2015 8:56 PM  

Who is Mike Brendan?

Apparently he's a nobody who's thought it wise to big a fight with a bigger dog.

Anonymous Steve January 25, 2015 9:01 PM  

Harsh - he looks like a badass to me.

Vox better watch out. If he packs a nerf gun, there's no telling what other combat skills he might have. He could probably give you a really nasty charley horse.

Anonymous Harsh January 25, 2015 9:09 PM  

Harsh - he looks like a badass to me.

He looks like he smelled something unpleasant.

Anonymous Harsh January 25, 2015 9:12 PM  

I'll also point out that Msr. Brendan, like many SJWs, does not have comments on his blog enabled. He seems to have a problem with criticism.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 25, 2015 9:21 PM  

Harsh,

He moderates everything, no doubt to ensure his blog is a safe space, so wolves/dragons like us can't invade.

Anonymous Harsh January 25, 2015 9:23 PM  

Harsh,

He moderates everything, no doubt to ensure his blog is a safe space, so wolves/dragons like us can't invade.


Okay, if I'm mistaken on that point, I retract.

Anonymous kh123 January 25, 2015 9:31 PM  

@MrGreenMan: "And the part where government money was used by schools like Michigan State to hold workshops to have feminist volunteers write women into the articles, that was all OK with the Wiki Way..."

As with Rockstar and other developers, regardless of whether or not Wiki is drawing a line in the sand primarily out of fear for their long term prospects, it's worth hammering home the point above: That the SJW narrative of their own selves being the principled idealists sans thoughts of interest... is about as true as anything else from their mythos.

Vox pointed out at the beginning, that interest will be the deciding factor in which way Gamergate will ultimately swing, along with several other fronts. As per Jack above, it'd be great if Wikipedia is a case of principle winning out over principal, short or long term. Whether out of passion or good manners, is a victory either way; and barring the ghost of Woodrow Wilson intervening, more will follow on those heels.

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 25, 2015 9:31 PM  

@Bob k. Mando

I took the "GHater" to be shorthand for Gamer+Hater because, you know, we're all haters, right?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 25, 2015 9:31 PM  

<>Rabbits don't understand that wolves respect strength and loyalty<>

This is the top reason I hang out here. There are so many rabbits of there that whenever you find a place where you see strength and loyalty amongst participants, no matter how they disagree, you realize you've found a place where you can learn from that strength and grow in your own sense of commitment.

Anonymous Toby Temple January 25, 2015 10:01 PM  

Nate had a post in AlphaGame about something opposite. Dragon slaying.

So it seems to be 2 contrasting advice from 2 alphas.

Very interesting.

Anonymous Daniel January 25, 2015 10:02 PM  

So, no Twitter for me.

That's a reasonable-sounding excuse, but it is the very reason why you have a duty to stick your hand in that hive. The SJW bugs gather there. They think it is safe because it is media (i.e. groupthink central). Don't leave it to them. Yes, it is a wasteland. Yes it is severely limited. Yes it can be a timesuck if you want it to be.

But it used to be their "happy place," their public safe zone, their virtual warren. Because of Gamer Gate, normal people are tying them to there asherah poles and lighting them on fire. Because of confrontation, because of normal people changing the narrative, they are fleeing for tumblr, and they are worried that tumblr is next.

Twitter is no fun for me, not in the slightest. It isn't as satisfying as your fantasy of SJWs finding the courage to line up for you to conveniently beat them.

But get on it, or stay off, up to you; but don't give me excuses.

Blogger Brad Andrews January 25, 2015 10:20 PM  

Maybe I will actually support Wikipedia in the future, if I see more evidence of a heart change on issues the SJWs disagree with. Any chance to correct Vox's page, for example?

Blogger Brad Andrews January 25, 2015 10:20 PM  

Note that I had given them money in the past, but completely ignored their pleas the last 2 times because of the bias.

Anonymous Corvinus January 25, 2015 10:53 PM  

So let me get this straight: what the SJWs did to 4chan, GamerGaters did to Wikipedia?

Chortle.

Blogger bob k. mando January 25, 2015 10:56 PM  

Toby Temple January 25, 2015 10:01 PM
So it seems to be 2 contrasting advice from 2 alphas.



a - Vox /= Alpha
b - an Alpha makes up his own damn mind

Anonymous zen0 January 25, 2015 11:31 PM  

Note that I had given them money in the past, but completely ignored their pleas the last 2 times because of the bias.

And informed them of same, I trust? Back in the days when snail mail was king, politicians counted one letter as the opinion of 800 people. I sent some serious snail mail when I heard that. Now, it might be less, but you count as more than one if you bother to explain it to them.

Anonymous dw January 25, 2015 11:32 PM  

@Toby Temple

Vox is a Sigma. Nate is an Alpha. Two sides of the same coin, but different so naturally their advice would be as well.

So the hierarchy of this dragon analogy would go something like this then...

Alpha: Slay the dragon, cause it's a dragon and needs killin', then go drinking. Princesses come from afar to reward you.
Beta: Go into battle with the Alpha against the dragon. End up with the barmaid at the end of the night.
Delta: Get drafted to fight the dragon, maybe end up getting paid at the end of it. It's the peasant's life for thee.
Gamma: Attempt to woo the princess by saving her from the evil predations of dragon-slayers. Princess locks herself in the dragon's tower.
Omega: Slaying dragons is for losers anyway, who wants to do something like that? Oh and Knights are gay. Also, that princess is a total whore.
Sigma: You are the dragon, the princess is yours. And she's completely okay with that.

Blogger Leatherwing January 25, 2015 11:37 PM  

The gamergate wikipedia page still has a strong anti-gamergate slant. I'd have thought it would have been edited by now.

Anonymous zen0 January 26, 2015 12:00 AM  

he took sixth place on a five person ballot.

This is an honour others can only hope for.


Anonymous Toby Temple January 26, 2015 12:15 AM  

Sigmas are still considered alphas. So no pedantry please. I am very aware of Vox's sociosexual categories.

b - an Alpha makes up his own damn mind

To whom do you think the advice from Vox and Nate are for?

It is extremely obvious that I am stating my observation of the two. I'm not asking for you to explain to me.

Blogger Eric January 26, 2015 12:40 AM  

#Gamergate patently criminal?

Oh, if they had their way every cross word to a feminist would result in indictment.

I have to say I'm a bit pleasantly surprised. My impression of the people running Wikipedia is that they're in complete alignment with the SJWs. The SJWs must have gotten so overconfident they started saying things in direct obvious of the rules.

Anonymous Thaddeus January 26, 2015 12:51 AM  

Rabbits, SJWs, whatever you call them, are also quick to go crying for the hall monitor or forum moderators whenever they encounter opinions or statements they disagree with or don't care for; it's this sort of attitude I've seen from a lot of these sort on the internet well before terms like SJW were popularized. In the hoary old days of USENET, these are the sort of people who would, when getting into an argument on a newsgroup and feel like they were losing would get hissy and threaten to contact a poster's ISP and report them on the grounds of "inappropriate" behavior or "violating terms of service" or that their opponents weren't practicing good "netiquette".

Blogger The CronoLink January 26, 2015 2:25 AM  

Sigmas are still considered alphas.

In what sense?

Anonymous Toby Temple January 26, 2015 2:55 AM  

In the sexual hierarchy, Cronolink.

Vox's hierarchy expanded beyond the sexual to add social.

Sigmas fall under alpha under the purely sexual binary hierarchy of ALPHA/BETA.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 26, 2015 3:31 AM  

What's so funny is that they had it all sewn up. Their preferred narrative with self-referencing quotes from the worst offending sources was untouchable, even Jimmy Wales had stepped in to say that #Gamergate would not be taken seriously because it wasn't organized with leaders etc...

Then, with the usual SJW lack of awareness, they decided to push it even further, paying advocates to push the narrative further into the realms of insanity until they got push back in the form of Arbitration.

Even now the narrative will be as far to the left of the truth as possible but they won't be satisfied with that! They want a full on alternative reality they can point to while denying the real world in which they fail.

Anonymous rho January 26, 2015 4:12 AM  

This Wikitragedy makes the Episode I title crawl seem pithy and informative by comparison.

Anonymous Gordon January 26, 2015 6:56 AM  

Anons learn Wikipedia bureaucracy and out-smart stabilished and corrupt wiki editors.

I'm not surprised. Gamers play to win.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 26, 2015 7:54 AM  

Nate,
From AG, you wrote:
"you know what kills self-doubt? Externally validated accomplishment."

There is truth in that I suppose, but personally, nothing comes close to internally validated accomplishment. Frankly, what impresses other people, I mean with regard to my own achievents, often makes me think: "Really? Meh."

Blogger Joshua Dyal January 26, 2015 7:57 AM  

For all that they are herd animals, they are not team players; in their own way they are more ruthlessly self-serving than the most ideological self-sovereign libertarian.

In which behavior, they mimic most herd animals. They stick together for protection, but it's a selfish kind of thing. Whenever an individual herd animal falls to a predator, the rest of the herd doesn't make any attempt to protect it, they collectively sigh with relief that it wasn't them.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 26, 2015 8:04 AM  

Steve,
About Twitter. I am rhe same, no time and more real life shit to deal with than a horde of orcs with the runs, but...
1. You need to fight on your terms. Let them post 50 replies to 1 tweet from you. It's fine. Because if you do it right, one is enough to rape their eyes, brain and heart all at once.
2. Once you get a bit good at it, you will be surprised at how quickly rabbits will silently hope you don't pick on them. You know why? Because they are rabbits man. You're a wolf. What are they gonna do? Hurt you with harsh language? Call up your boss? Fuck them. No retreat, no prisoners. Fire at will. There is literally nothing rabbits can do. They are the kobolds of this universe.

Anonymous GreyS January 26, 2015 10:06 AM  

Tomorrow, Ghaters, I'll be training, gaming, and then out on a date. I'll be enjoying life, while you sit at your screens refreshing in RAEG
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4. I’ve had four girlfriends. In my life.

Yep. Four. Three of the relationships ended amicably, one just ended (dumped by the silent treatment).

That first relationship? I was 33 and that was when I lost my virginity.

Yeah, I know, that might be a TMI, but screw it. I played this card and I’m going to own it. I think there’s two reasons why I didn’t land that first “big night” for so long. One was my self-image, and the other was that I had a woefully unrealistic ideal of what my girlfriend should be, down to details on appearance, interests, etc. To put it bluntly, I objectified women. It wasn’t until around 2003 when I realized it was a problem and started talking to a therapist, that I started turning things around.

It hasn’t been easy. Sometimes I screw up — and I’m sorry for that. But I’ve been innundating myself with outside viewpoints — mostly from women — to help kill that part of me. It’s not dead yet, but that voice is exceedingly weak these days, to which I can say…

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 10:43 AM  

Trust The Force, Michael Brendan....your women can deceive you...

Anonymous Jack Amok January 26, 2015 12:08 PM  

Sigmas are still considered alphas. So no pedantry please. I am very aware of Vox's sociosexual categories.

Sure, but there's still no real contradiction. Dragon or Dragon Slayer, either way you are setting out to leave a big damn mark on the world. Dragon Slayers (let's call them George) are acting on behalf of society, Dragons don't care about society.

dw's breakdown of the completel hierarchy was pretty good (though I'd suggest chainging the Gamma version to something that includes "encourage the strong, independant princess to kill the dragon herself...").

Anonymous Porphyry January 26, 2015 2:01 PM  

I wouldn't say that being a dragon has much to do with alpha beta etc… more with mentality. You can have a sigma wolf that will act completely differently than a sigma dragon.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 26, 2015 2:02 PM  

Loyalty and honor go together like mercy at my right and grace upon my left.

Sigma/alphas are not afraid to stand alone.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum January 26, 2015 3:39 PM  

I have no interest in video games. At all. This whole "Gamergate" fiasco is not that interesting to me. Just file it under "Circus" in the "Bread and Circuses" folder...

Why would someone want to play something like "Call of Duty" -- If you got Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, and Peter Griffin together on a committee and told them to design a video game showing combat, the "Call of Duty" Franchise is what they'd come up with... But I digress. -- When there are REAL Guns that fire REAL Bullets gathering dust on shelves?

If this is the hill they want to die on, I won't stop 'em.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 4:17 PM  

haha wow you're a real fucking idiot "rabbits" lol go back to nursery school kiddo

Blogger Quadko January 26, 2015 6:16 PM  

I'm pleasantly surprised. I got the Wiki fundraising email this year since I previously donated, but send them a pleasant "respectfully decline because my views under attack and suppression by editors instead of balanced treatment." I eventually got back a "we don't control content, just servers," letter (not sure what I believe of that, but "not controlling content while providing servers" is indeed controlling content...) and then this. Interesting!

Anonymous Corvinus January 27, 2015 12:36 AM  

Sigma/alphas are not afraid to stand alone.

I do believe that this would apply to sigma. Alpha gets a horde of backers.

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