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Friday, January 16, 2015

Burning down the house

Brad Torgersen has some thoughts on the reaction to the announcement of the forthcoming SAD PUPPIES 3. To put it in perspective, keep in mind that he is one of the liberal moderates of the Evil Legion of Evil:
It’s remarkable how fast word travels on the intarwebz these days. No sooner had I posted the (rather tame) announcement that SAD PUPPIES was coming back for a third go-around, than some people began carping about it. Which is to be expected. SAD PUPPIES breaks the rules. RULE #1: thou shalt not publicly campaign. Even though campaigning (in this award) has been done for many decades. RULE #2: thou shalt not publicly point out blind spots or biases in the voting body. Even though behind-closed-doors rage about these biases and blind spots has also been going on for decades — just not always about the same biases and blind spots. And lastly, RULE #3: thou shalt not publicly criticize Worldcon or “fandom” proper. Even though “fandom” (as an actual, coherent label for a specific body of people) hasn’t been applicable since the 1970s, nor has Worldcon actually represented the largest gathering of the largest body of consumer fans.

So . . . some personal opinions. Take ‘em or leave ‘em.

I could care less about Rule 1 and Rule 2, since these are endlessly violated anyway. Rules which are perpetually broken behind the curtain, are not actually rules. And if SAD PUPPIES is to be damned for breaking them, fine. At least we’re honest about what we’re doing. I don’t have much patience for people who aim an accusatory finger at us, then do precisely what we’re doing, just sneaky-like. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, even when it dresses up in its Sunday best and has good table manners.

Rule 3 deserves a larger thought bubble. Because (as I have stated many times in the last few years) “fandom” does not really represent FANDOM anymore.
You can understand my difficult position as the Legion's Supreme Dark Lord, trying to maintain even a modicum of evil order at our monthly staff meetings.

VOX DAY, SUPREME DARK LORD: Welcome, my black knights, my devious and subtle dark ladies. The circle is joined. Tell me, what evil hath thou wrought?

TOM KRATMAN: GRAND STRATEGIKON: Sir! Another 64 crossbeams, 97 posts, and 468 iron nails have been prepared and added to the warehouse, sir! Four more excruciators have been trained and are good to go, sir!

LARRY CORREIA, INTERNATIONAL LORD OF HATE: Bloody hell, Tom! How many crosses do you think we need? We haven't even crucified anyone yet!

KRATMAN: I just like to be prepaaaaared, sir!

DAY: So how many pinkshirts can we crucify? Give me a daily average.

KRATMAN: All of them!

SARAH HOYT, BEAUTIFUL BUT EVIL SPACE PRINCESS, All of them?

KRATMAN: All of them! We're cocked, locked and ready to rock!

HOYT (whispers to Correia): Kate's going to be pissed. She had her heart set on impaling McCreepy.

DAY: Stand down, Tom. Good work. Anyone else?

JOHN WRIGHT, LIVING BRAIN, KING IN YELLOW, AND SPEAKER TO MORLOCKS: I have erected, at great personal expense, a ninety-one foot tall idol of radioactive black marble to your likeness in the caves of Logan County, West Virginia, where I and a coterie of degenerate hillbillies, drug-maddened Saponi and Shawnee shaman, blood-drinking devil dogs, together with an inhuman living fungi from Pluto make hideous sacrifices and perform acts of unspeakable abomination to adore our idol of Vox Day, impiously dreaming of the return of the Elder Star-gods from Hyades in Taurus. For we adore Vox Day! Crowned with Five Divine Cobras of Might! His Buttocks Sit Atop the Thunder-Winged Garuda Bird!

DAY: All I asked for was the latest draft of Somewither, John.

WRIGHT: Oh, yes. Let me see. Ah, here it is.

BRAD TORGERSEN, SOFT AND CUDDLY TOKEN LIBERAL: Hey, Larry, what's this?

CORREIA: Dammit, Brad, put down-

TORGERSEN: AH HA HA HA HA HA!

CORREIA: The flamethrower....

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91 Comments:

Blogger jaericho January 16, 2015 4:39 PM  

I will pay good money to read much more of this.

Blogger Markku January 16, 2015 4:42 PM  

Evil League of Evil unleashes the Sad Puppies.

And this is real life.

Mull on that.

Blogger Mekadave January 16, 2015 4:47 PM  

Ok, that was pretty damn funny and I LOL-snorted several times.

Blogger Josh January 16, 2015 4:48 PM  

Amused, am I. Bravo.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 16, 2015 4:50 PM  

Would hate to be the janitor cleaning up after THAT meeting....

Anonymous Giuseppe January 16, 2015 4:53 PM  

I have a post ITCHING to go up on this topic... but...I must wait a little longer ... And weirdly, it was Vox. suggestion that is making me wait.

I am not a bad strategist, but I usually screw up because I am a good tactician. Good enough that I end up trapping myself, usually along the lines of ..."But surely everyone can see that if we all do this now...we win...so, I'll just go ahead and lead the charge...."

...
Time passes
...

Covered in ichor, guts and blood, sword broken and armour dented and cut, when I finally look around to see where the rest of the troops are, I note they are all on a hill far, far away, watching, as the orcs close the circle. Damn. Well, I do still have a dagger. And the broken sword...

Anonymous Merlin January 16, 2015 4:58 PM  

And Magic. Don't forget the Magic.

Anonymous cheddarman January 16, 2015 5:07 PM  

If you need a fungus man costume, i could make you one covered in live edible mushroom mycelia using my personal collection of molds, spores and fungi. I would recommend pleurotus pulmonaris, since it grows quickly on a wide variety of substrates. Or we could try a bio luminescent strain.

Anonymous Mike M. January 16, 2015 5:07 PM  

Vox, if they ever got the lot of you in one place, you could put on a great show. :-)

Anonymous DrTorch January 16, 2015 5:13 PM  

Shawnee rock! Woo hoo!

Anonymous DrTorch January 16, 2015 5:14 PM  

Oh, and when are the t-shirts going to be ready?

Anonymous MendoScot January 16, 2015 5:16 PM  

Well, someone had to. Burning down the House.

Blogger Nate January 16, 2015 5:20 PM  

there should be Evil League of Evil action figures.

Blogger Josh January 16, 2015 5:22 PM  

Oh, and when are the t-shirts going to be ready?

Peasant.

Anonymous Salt January 16, 2015 5:23 PM  

When's the movie coming out? I want to see impalements in 3D.

Blogger Guitar Man January 16, 2015 5:25 PM  

Nate, I'm sure Larry's got a bunch of miniatures ready to paint.

Blogger Josh January 16, 2015 5:28 PM  

I want to see impalements in 3D.

Pretty sure they already have 3d porn...

Anonymous Doug Wardell January 16, 2015 5:28 PM  

Spot on John Wright impression.

Anonymous VD January 16, 2015 5:34 PM  

Spot on John Wright impression.

It is, in fact, a John Wright quote.

Anonymous Donn January 16, 2015 5:50 PM  

You need some Scandinavian folk-metal music calling up the pagan gods of the icy North playing. Great bonfires with Odin standing above it all while the wolves of the wild hunt howl and their red-eyed horses stamp and scream their battle-challenge. The rabbits freeze overcome with sheer terror and the fell-riders laugh as they spin and toss their whetted lances ready to spit the quivering SJW prey.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 16, 2015 5:52 PM  

Galadriel Nielsen-Haydon drifts out of the shadow into center frame. So terrible in her beauty that none can long look upon her without vomiting. Each step sending exquisite slow rolling waves of across her taut torso. Graceful ripples flow across her many, many chins she begins her unearthly eloquent croaking: "The World has changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in Earth. I smell it in the air."

Pausing to clean an eyeball with one elegant stroke of her tongue. "It began with forging of the Hugos. And coming of the perennial darklings who would tear out the heart of the world, tear out the heart of The Fan-Dom to claim them. Three of the Hugos were as always reserved for the Children of Tor, the most beautiful, wisest and fairest of all beings...

Narrator: Scalzi the Gray having received disturbing reports of..

Scalzi the Gray: I'm Scalzi the fucking White! God fucking damn it, you asshole!

Narrator: You are dressed in Gray, Scalzi. Head to foot in Gray.You are Scalzi the Gray.

Scalzi the Gray: I. Am. Scalzi. The, White.

Narrator: Hold this up any longer and I'm calling your wife.

Scalzi the Definetly Gray (small voiced): i'll be good.

Narrator (muttering): fuck was I? Oh yeah, yeah...ur hum...Reports that the beasts of Ootah, they who are called the Mor-mons had begun to ride once more. Torgersen child of Correia, child of Card, Third of their great khans had travelled to the dark tower of the One Whom Scalzi can not name to receive from his vile hand the blessing of...

Blogger Nate January 16, 2015 5:52 PM  

"Nate, I'm sure Larry's got a bunch of miniatures ready to paint."

because GIANT NERD.

Anonymous trk January 16, 2015 5:57 PM  

I just read the first three monster hunter internationals. This makes much more sense to me now.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 16, 2015 5:57 PM  

AWCA -- now also funny as shit.....no......even much funnier than that !!

Blogger Krul January 16, 2015 5:57 PM  

Donn,

Something like this?

Anonymous patrick kelly January 16, 2015 6:00 PM  

Ok, Brad needs to be some small but vicious critter....say Honey Badger, or Wolverine, or something...dressed up in a pink wabbit outfit....as camouflage...or something...

Anonymous Fred2 January 16, 2015 6:09 PM  

"Spot on John Wright impression."

"It is, in fact, a John Wright quote."

So when he first said it, was your face perplexed as you tried to ponder what what would actually look like, or were you actually laughing so hard that the Chianti was coming out your nose?

Anonymous Donn January 16, 2015 6:19 PM  

Krul - Oh, Hell Yeah!

Anonymous VD January 16, 2015 6:22 PM  

Brad needs to be some small but vicious critter....say Honey Badger, or Wolverine, or something...dressed up in a pink wabbit outfit....as camouflage...or something...

Brad is a light blue Care Bear with a Bleeding Heart on the tummy, holding a flamethrower.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 16, 2015 6:33 PM  

Ok, that works....not that you need my approval....can it be a bleeding rabbit heart?

Anonymous kh123 January 16, 2015 6:41 PM  

Right. But no mention of an oscillation overthruster.

True evil spells out its plans. All of them.

Anonymous zen0 January 16, 2015 6:50 PM  

I read ISIS' new favorite method is crucifixion. Do you think they have been reading Kratman ?

Blogger wrf3 January 16, 2015 7:02 PM  

Vox:

I just hope Whedon doesn't come after you for appropriating the "Evil League of Evil."

Unless Joss is secretly a member?

Anonymous trev006 January 16, 2015 7:12 PM  

Brad Torgersen is an Intensive Care Bear.

Anonymous A Reader January 16, 2015 7:14 PM  

Here's a thought:

Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?

Blogger Guitar Man January 16, 2015 7:14 PM  

I mean, you kinda have to be to write as a sci-fi fantasy author, Nate.

Anonymous EH January 16, 2015 7:18 PM  

"ia, ia Theodore fthagn!" "Vox Sothoth neblod zin!" " teeeheehee whee!"

Somehow, it's just not the same.

Anonymous Steve January 16, 2015 7:20 PM  

Love the literary references. Especially the references to The King in Yellow. If anyone needs me I'll be over by the flaying pit with the degenerate hillbilles and the drug-maddened Red Injun shamans.

Blogger Nate January 16, 2015 7:22 PM  

"
Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?"

Exactly. Glad to have you on the side of Sad Puppies

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2015 7:27 PM  

> Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?

In which case Nemesis should win handily. Yeah, right.

Anonymous Daniel January 16, 2015 7:31 PM  

I just hope Whedon doesn't come after you for appropriating...

Sorry, I couldn't read the rest of your thought due to the maniacal laughter.

Besid.es, Whedon would simply send a real life warrior woman to do the job, probably a little girl who can bench more than McRapey.

It would be a category of self-immolation only described as "comedic."

Anonymous Daniel January 16, 2015 7:37 PM  

Brad's rant on the error in scale of his diagram is epic and dead center.

Man. He crossed the streams.

Anonymous Nate Winchester January 16, 2015 7:56 PM  

Vox, if you and the others continue that "adventures of the evil league" (maybe using a writing hot potato method) and put them in the sci phi journal, I will buy a copy from Castalia house every issue!

Anonymous VD January 16, 2015 7:58 PM  

Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?

That world ended around 2000. One can only play by the rules that are provided.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 16, 2015 8:00 PM  

>Pausing to clean an eyeball with one elegant stroke of her tongue.

Lole.

Blogger John Cunningham January 16, 2015 8:05 PM  

Vox, you MUST put out Tshirts for the EL of E....I am down for several. and Hedningarna is a Swedish metal band that uses some old folky tunes.

Blogger KJE January 16, 2015 8:14 PM  

In the theater of my mind, I've cast Steve Carrel as Vox, Tom Hardy as Kratman, and John Goodman as Larry...

Anonymous A Reader January 16, 2015 8:16 PM  

A Reader: Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?

VD: That world ended around 2000. One can only play by the rules that are provided.

A Reader: Baloney. Here is a list of Hugo Award Winners and Nominees for Best Short story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Short_Story

I've read every story that has won since 2000, and some of the nominees. One might well disagree with the vote--though there are some fine stories--but the only story that seemed to be chosen based on politics was last year's story.

Anonymous VD January 16, 2015 8:22 PM  

I've read every story that has won since 2000, and some of the nominees. One might well disagree with the vote--though there are some fine stories--but the only story that seemed to be chosen based on politics was last year's story.

Do you genuinely believe that Redshirts was the best novel of 2013? Or that Ancillary Justice was the greatest SF novel ever written?

Anyhow, you're talking to the wrong people. We are the reaction.

Anonymous Ha January 16, 2015 8:41 PM  

Perhaps Hugo voters could vote for a story based on its intrinsic merits, and not treat the Hugo voting as some sort of political game?

Did you read what he said? It has been a political game forever.

But as usual when the Left thinks it owns something, any attempt to change that situation is decried as unacceptable partisanship and politicization...

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Anonymous The artist, also known as Brad January 16, 2015 8:50 PM  

"Brad is a light blue Care Bear with a Bleeding Heart on the tummy, holding a flamethrower."

Can I just say that this is the best description of me anyone has ever done, ever? =^)

Anonymous tron3dfx January 16, 2015 9:15 PM  

"LARRY CORREIA, INTERNATIONAL LORD OF HATE: Bloody hell, Tom! How many crosses do you think we need? We haven't even crucified anyone yet!

KRATMAN: I just like to be prepaaaaared, sir!"


I laughed for 5 minutes at least, thanks guys!!!

Anonymous Susan January 16, 2015 9:51 PM  

Sarah Hoyt maybe the beautiful but evil space princess, but she is no SpaceBunny in terms of beauty or smarts.

Blogger wrf3 January 16, 2015 9:56 PM  

Sara Hoyt wrote the Afterword to the iBooks edition of Heinlein's "The Puppet Masters" and did a damn fine job.

Anonymous daddynichol January 16, 2015 9:59 PM  

Son of a Beeeoch! That was funny as hell!

Blogger Nate January 16, 2015 10:39 PM  

"
Do you genuinely believe that Redshirts was the best novel of 2013? Or that Ancillary Justice was the greatest SF novel ever written?"

don't forget quantum rose.

Anonymous FP January 16, 2015 10:48 PM  

I dunno... can the Evil Legion of Evil take on John Kerry and James Taylor?

http://twitchy.com/2015/01/16/hold-me-closer-tiny-francer-john-kerrys-smooch-with-hollande-breaks-creepy-meter-vine/

Anonymous zen0 January 16, 2015 11:05 PM  

@ John Cunningham

Vox, you MUST put out Tshirts for the EL of E....

You know nothing of the marketing of Evil. It has to be a Sad Puppies theme. Not just T shirts, but all manner of clothing, including panties. Teh chicks will get wet over it. Meanwhile, you insert the Evil League of Evil in small print somewhere.

(I must have Jewish ancestors somewhere in the mix....)

Anonymous Flannel Avenger January 16, 2015 11:07 PM  

cheddarman January 16, 2015 5:07 PM

If you need a fungus man costume, i could make you one covered in live edible mushroom mycelia using my personal collection of molds, spores and fungi.

Cheddarman... Are you 'fraid of no ghosts?

Anonymous zen0 January 16, 2015 11:08 PM  

Hell, I get misty just thinking about what Sad Puppies look like. Imagine what the chicks are going to do. The fucking Kardashians will wear Sad Puppies on their ass....for FREE!

Blogger Tom Kratman January 16, 2015 11:14 PM  

Ya know, you really do need to put up spew warning sometimes.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 16, 2015 11:51 PM  

I love this! Kick Ass post!!

Blogger SQT January 16, 2015 11:57 PM  

I'm going to add my voice to those clamoring for an Evil League of Evil t-shirt. I'd pay good money for that. Maybe I need to get the old sketch book out....

Anonymous jack January 17, 2015 12:00 AM  

We are ready for the voting and instructions on how to best buy into the Con in dispute. May the League give forth its marching orders in a timely manner. It may be another year of hot popcorn and cold bourbon and many laughs.
[yes; I like my bourbon straight with two ice cubes. I don't care whether its stirred, shaken, or dumped].

Anonymous Viidad January 17, 2015 12:39 AM  

@ cheddarman

You have a collection of fungi?

Me too.

No lie - I've got a bucket of Pleurotus pulmonaris (Italian strain) in the closet with my guns. Hoping it doesn't colonize their stocks, actually. We should eat it before total sporulation, though those suckers are danged good at jumping cultures.

Blogger IM2L844 January 17, 2015 1:05 AM  

I'm going to add my voice to those clamoring for an Evil League of Evil t-shirt.

Hey, wait a minute. Is it Evil League of Evil or is it Evil Legion of Evil (See OP) or does it even matter? Excruciators in training need to know these things. I'm assuming there will be a test.

Blogger AdognamedOp January 17, 2015 2:22 AM  

Omg..Rickrolled by the Talking Heads. Yarrrggghhh.

Blogger SQT January 17, 2015 2:28 AM  

Hey, wait a minute. Is it Evil League of Evil or is it Evil Legion of Evil (See OP) or does it even matter? Excruciators in training need to know these things. I'm assuming there will be a test.

I thought it was league but I could be wrong. It works either way as far as I'm concerned- but it would be good to know for sure so the t-shirts will be accurate. :)

Blogger MB January 17, 2015 3:27 AM  

Cruelty artist indeed. Do you have any idea how much it hurts to laugh with the flu?!

-M. Bibliophile

Anonymous Statists are so dull January 17, 2015 4:38 AM  

Unless Joss is secretly a member?

Unlikely - He's the standard bearer of the Army of Social Justice, surrounded by 90lb warrior wimmens ready to kick ass in high heels for him (and Anita "lying con-woman" Sarkeesian)

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 17, 2015 5:51 AM  

Damn it I should have made him, Scalzi the Pink with bird shit dripping off his hat and his sleigh pulled by hundreds of rabbits.

The Scalzi the Definitely Pink.

Blogger Buddy E. January 17, 2015 6:10 AM  

This really needs to be made into a strongbad style cartoon.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 17, 2015 7:25 AM  

My vote is for some libertarian scifi/f of a where individuals or bands of people live free within or on the fringes of a loony society of what today I would call priests of political correctness who spend their time trying to inflict one crazy taboo after another on the "citizens."

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii January 17, 2015 8:54 AM  

In 1986, Atlanta Georgia saw two large gatherings of *Fans* ConFederation, the 44th WorldCon, drew nearly 6,000 and had revenue exceeding expenses.
Dragon*Con, held much earlier then, was a small gaming oriented gathering.
The powers that be in "Fandom" made certain that no WorldCon was ever held in Atlanta again. Conventionus Draconius, meanwhile has grown to the point where it takes over the city for the long weekend.
Care Bear s point is made.

Anonymous daddynichol January 17, 2015 11:08 AM  

Scalzi would be Prince Vagina (or Vag) of Douche Bag. Pink cape with matching tights.

Anonymous it is what it is January 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

That's way there are only two sith lords . . .

Blogger GK Chesterton January 17, 2015 11:50 AM  

OP wins thread with that John C Wright dialog.

Blogger GK Chesterton January 17, 2015 11:57 AM  

On Whendon,

I think there's something in there where he knows how Things Should Work. One can't watch the Firefly series (not the movie) and not notice that it works because it follows the great archetypes of male and female. In fact even Buffy, with its super-waif, only works because at the heart of it she is a small g girl. Minus that, that is if she were just Rambo in a dress, it wouldn't work.

Which makes him extra sad really.

Blogger Markku January 17, 2015 12:06 PM  

OP wins thread with that John C Wright dialog.

Since it was actually WRITTEN my John C Wright, that's a hollow victory.

Anonymous A Reader January 17, 2015 12:22 PM  

VD:
Do you genuinely believe that Redshirts was the best novel of 2013? Or that Ancillary Justice was the greatest SF novel ever written?

Anyhow, you're talking to the wrong people. We are the reaction.

A Reader: Strawman. I said no such thing. And if you want to talk about Hugo Award Winning novels: Redshirts --which is not among my favorite SF novels-- didn't have a SJW message, but was Star Trek light. Again, going back to your original claim of winners "since 2000" based on politics: that can only be said of last year's Ancillarry Justice.


Anonymous VD January 17, 2015 12:44 PM  

Again, going back to your original claim of winners "since 2000" based on politics: that can only be said of last year's Ancillarry Justice.

Yes, I think you're right; I was conflating the Hugo and Nebula Awards. But what I think you're failing to grasp is that what infected the Nebula back in 2000, with winners like The Quantum Rose that weren't even nominated for the Hugo, has now grabbed hold of the Hugos.

And it's not about SJW message, it's about SJWs. Redshirts may not have had an overt SJW message, (homo blow jobs notwithstanding) but it was written by a leading SF SJW and it won for precisely that reason. Regardless of when the Pink SF problem hit the Hugos, it is there now.

The risible shit that was thrown up by the pinkshirts as the best SF proved that.

Blogger wrf3 January 17, 2015 12:45 PM  

GK C wrote: Which makes him extra sad, really.

I don't understand. Firefly "works" and Buffy "works" and that equates to "extra sad", how?

Who is the greater hero; which is the better story: Arnie defeating the big, bad, technologically superior Predator, or Buffy defeating the legion of the night?

Is it heresy to think that female heroes can have better stories than male heroes? And I'm not talking about the kind of stories where the women are just men, but with more, bigger penises... But the stories where women triumph in spite of their weaknesses. I don't expect Buffy to beat the Predator the way Arnie did, but I expect that Whedon could make it just as, if not more so, entertaining.

It's because Whedon knows the archetypes (like Wright knows the archetypes) that I think he would be an excellent secret member of the ELofE. After all, it was his organization first.

OpenID cailcorishev January 17, 2015 1:46 PM  

Wrf3, it's not just that Whedon knows the archetypes and can use them like tools; in Firefly he actually seems to respect them and the truths they tell. But leftism is about the denial of those truths. So there's a contradiction there that's interesting.

For instance, in the pilot of Firefly, Mal loses his faith, and that's not presented with a superior snigger as you'd get from a lesser storyteller. It's presented straightforwardly as a serious loss that left him missing something important inside. If the series had continued, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him get it back, and that portrayed as a good thing.

Of course, the series did have plenty of left-leaning tropes. In addition to the girl warrior and the black/white couple (the unusual kind, even!), we got the Hooker with a Heart of Gold, legalized and socially admired prostitution, the open-minded preacher with no specific beliefs except that you should have some, and others. But for the most part, he played fair with them and let them stand or fall on their own.

It's just interesting to see that a guy can see the truth about so many things well enough to show it in his art, and yet deny those truths outside of it.

Anonymous Nathan January 17, 2015 1:53 PM  

Remember that, with Firefly, Whedon had a co-creator that was responsible for much of the universe. Whedon focused mostly on his pet waif-fu ninja girl.

Blogger wrf3 January 17, 2015 2:26 PM  

cailorishev wrote: But leftism is the denial of those truths

I don't pretend to understand the leftist mind, but is it the denial of those truths, or is it the affirmation that things aren't as binary as the right seems to think?

And why can't some hookers have hearts of gold?

Nathan wrote: Whedon focused mainly on his waif-fu ninja girl.

His heroines are augmented, whether by technology or magic. Technology is, increasingly, becoming a gender equalizer. We have no idea where this will lead. It's something we should explore.

Asimov did it in some of his novels where wealth was measured, not in money, but in mechanical labor. Whedon does it where strength isn't measured in testosterone and brawn, but in increased skill, determination, and smarts. Heinlein was all over the place: Friday was a Whedon-esque artificial person, Johnny Rico had a power suit (but didn't extrapolate that a woman in a suit would be just as capable as a man); Michael Valentine Smith had a superior intellect because of a superior language.

All of these are good - some are great - stories.

Blogger Ken January 17, 2015 3:01 PM  

Even with Firefly, it seems like the fans (at least the ones that I'm aware of) care more about Mal and Jayne - you know, the not-SJW men in the group - then anyone else. Unless they look at the women of the show and debate whether they are sufficiently bangable.

In other words, even with the SJW tropes and despite Whedon's history of catering to the waifu crowd, the fans I hear from only care about the men.

OpenID cailcorishev January 17, 2015 3:13 PM  

I don't pretend to understand the leftist mind, but is it the denial of those truths, or is it the affirmation that things aren't as binary as the right seems to think?

It's the first one.

And why can't some hookers have hearts of gold?

Never said they couldn't.

All of these are good - some are great - stories.

Agreed. Firefly was a genuinely great show. I wouldn't bother discussing it if it weren't.

Anonymous Nathan January 17, 2015 11:38 PM  

@wrf3,

Good points, except for the fact that I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing, based on some anecdotes I've heard, that Whedon was even involved in the aspects that fans enjoy, as those anecdotes say that he was mostly concerned about River and left most of the rest of Firefly to his co-creator.

(Side rant, waifu =/= waif-fu. The latter is the trope of the 90 lb kung-fu chick, the former is some really gamma-omega level substitution of a 2D or fictional character for a real-life girlfriend or wife. River is not catering to that crowd. *Kaylee* would be closer that many would pick as a "waifu." ).

Anonymous Clay January 18, 2015 3:21 AM  

With risible shit in mind, I'm not sure what to say.

Take a piece of self-observing. It's OK.

Blogger Didact January 18, 2015 7:01 AM  

I very nearly broke something, I was laughing so hard. That was EPIC.

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