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Sunday, January 11, 2015

Divisional playoffs, Day 2

The New England-Baltimore game was as good as the Seattle-Carolina game was bad. I turned the latter off after Seattle went up 7-0 as it was obvious that Carolina had no chance whatsoever. That pass from Edelman to Amendola was a fantastic call and executed almost flawlessly. John Harbaugh is a very good coach, but Belichick clearly outcoached him yesterday. The chess match was fun to watch; it was the exact opposite of watching a Denny Green-coached team in the playoffs.

Dallas-Green Bay should be a good game too, although I don't think Green Bay will have too much trouble putting the Cowboys away on the frozen tundra unless Rodgers gets hurt. Dallas's best option is to ride Demarco Murray hard.

The Denver-Indy game shouldn't be as bad as Seattle-Carolina, but I can't see the Colts hanging with the Broncos. The Broncos run better, pass better, have a better defense, and they're playing at home.

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Anonymous Anon Man January 11, 2015 12:27 PM  

Cowboys beat the Packers. Dallas is underrated, and the Rodgers being hurt will limit what the Packers can do offensively just enough to make a difference.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 12:59 PM  

Rodgers leg isn't healthy and he will be without his patented oshi, flushed to the sidelines, complete the pass to the now open Jordy Nelson 20 yards down the field move.

Then again the Packers D is really good against the run when they slide Clay Mathews inside, and if you can take Murray out of the game Dallas doesn't have a chance.

I am hoping for a Cowboys win. I would like a Cowboys-Broncos SB where Romo gets his win against Manning, after losing the game of his life last year thanks to his nonexistent D.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 1:19 PM  

Its going to take 1 hit to Rodgers with his left leg planted to knock him out of the game.

Anonymous Dallas D January 11, 2015 1:20 PM  

unless Rodgers gets hurt

He's been hurt and extremely hobbled. Still is.
Apparently it doesn't matter.

Anonymous Leatherwing January 11, 2015 1:33 PM  

I think the DPI call was a flop by Williams, but I'm glad the Cowboys scored. Really want them to get this game.

Anonymous Scintan January 11, 2015 1:39 PM  

I think the DPI call was a flop by Williams, but I'm glad the Cowboys scored. Really want them to get this game.

The refs seem to have bet on the Cowboys.

Anonymous Daniel January 11, 2015 1:49 PM  

Carolina should have beat the spread, but they put the wrong Cam in charge of possession. No they were not ever going to win, even though I still don't believe in Russell Wilson.

Packers won't be able to stop DeMarco Murray and Beastmode back-to-back, so I'm pulling for Dallas' better shot to beat the Sea.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 1:54 PM  

The refs seem to have bet on the Cowboys.

Whatever they gave Clay Mathews a free hit to Romo's leg. If that were Rodgers instead of Romo the poor schlub that hit him would probably have been ejected from the game.

Anonymous rubberducky January 11, 2015 1:56 PM  

What is it about the Dallas Cowboys? They need to cancel all games in Dallas and just play always on the road.

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 2:37 PM  

unless Rodgers gets hurt.
The same can be said of Romo, his back is as much a question mark as Rodgers ankle.
And like the end of Joe Montana's career, you can't help but wonder which snap will be Payton Manning's last.
OTOH, while good, Indy is still not quite ready for prime time, it'll be like the CAR-SEA game yesterday, not roadkill, but not winning either.

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 11, 2015 2:46 PM  

The Cowboys have to turn this into a game from 1995 run hard smash Rodgers of there is no chance . There is a type of team that handles green bays style . But they are not the cowboys. However gb clearly is the weakest team in the final 4 if they win

Anonymous VD January 11, 2015 2:46 PM  

Horrible two-minute coaching from Dallas. I can't believe they didn't go for it on 4th-and-1. You have two cracks to gain one yard, the leading rusher in the league, and you don't run the ball once?

OpenID cailcorishev January 11, 2015 2:47 PM  

As an aside, a long-hair-on-chicks data point: Erin Andrews is at Green Bay, doing her usual pointless sideline reporter thing. It's cold enough that she needs a stocking cap, but instead of tucking her hair inside it or putting it down her back inside her coat, they put it in a nice long blonde braid that's pulled forward to hang down her front. It's saying, "Sorry you can't appreciate my hotness today, but don't worry, I'm still pretty. See my long hair?"

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 2:51 PM  

Cailcorishev:
It's saying, "Sorry you can't appreciate my hotness today, but don't worry, I'm still pretty. See my long hair?"
Well they don't do cheerleader shots anymore so they have to do something to compensate ;)

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 2:59 PM  

No they were not ever going to win, even though I still don't believe in Russell Wilson.

Dude? 8 for 8 with 3 TDs on 3rd down? Against a top-third passing defense? On a night when the running game was being stuffed? What's not to believe?

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 3:10 PM  

Dude? 8 for 8 with 3 TDs on 3rd down? Against a top-third passing defense? On a night when the running game was being stuffed? What's not to believe?

Against a crummy overall Carolina team that gifted them a bunch of points. Kyle Orton has had games like that against the right opponent. There is plenty not to believe. He's a good qb for the Seahawks. He's not a great quarterback.

They don't need a great quarterback.

Not yet.

Anonymous Anon Man January 11, 2015 3:21 PM  

Horrible coaching by the Cowboys at the end of the first half? Yes. Crucial fumble in the third quarter by Murray? Check. Enough for the packers to win? Nope.

Anonymous Ezra January 11, 2015 3:31 PM  

Russell Wilson not a great quarterback? By what metric? Doubting RW at this point is laughable.

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 3:37 PM  

Anon Man:
Enough for the packers to win? So far they're playing them tough, only down by 1.
BTW, has there been an obligatory shot of the shirtless Pack fans yet? If the Pack are playing in January there are going to be drunk, err, shirtless fans there - no matter how cold.
I remember one year where they were playing the NFC championship there and not only were they there hooting and hollering (5 deg. at kickoff) but even a woman (wearing just her bra) was there and looking like she was regretting it ;)

Anonymous Anon Man January 11, 2015 3:38 PM  

Packers get my props for playing tough. Big drive coming up.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 3:44 PM  

I am actually hoping for dallas to win... as I believe dallas can beat seattle... but I don't think Green Bay can.

Blogger bob k. mando January 11, 2015 3:46 PM  

i think Dallas got lucky today, playing at 24 degrees.

if this was being played on the 9th ( high of 6 ) or the 7th ( high of 4 ) of last week, there's no way Dallas would be in this game.

even tomorrow and Tuesday are supposed to only be a high of 14.


instead, it's just below freezing. hell, that's not even cold enough to keep you from getting overheated if you're really exercising.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 3:47 PM  

Kyle Orton has had games like that against the right opponent.

Yeah. Russel Wilson has games like that against playoff opponents.

Wilson isn't Dan Marino, but he ain't Kyle Orton either.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 3:52 PM  

I am actually hoping for dallas to win... as I believe dallas can beat seattle... but I don't think Green Bay can.

I agree (though i'll point out "can" isn't the same as "will" or even "is likely to"). Oddly enough, I want Dallas to beat GB too. I think they've earned some respect, a chance for the Hawks to make up for the loss earlier would be nice, and frankly if GB wins we'll hear about the damn Fail Mary play all week.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 3:56 PM  

Seattle is going to straight murder either of these teams.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 4:00 PM  

So apparently its not a catch, when you move them football from 2 hands into 1 hand/arm and then extend that arm out to break the plane.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (the NFL would deem this not a comment) January 11, 2015 4:04 PM  

Not a catch?! WTF?!

Anonymous farmer Tom January 11, 2015 4:06 PM  

I haven't watched much football all season, so I admit that I may not understand the game any more.

But, if the ground can not cause a fumble, how can it cause an in complete pass?

Anonymous Fran January 11, 2015 4:06 PM  

I don't have a dog in this fight but it looked like a catch to me too. The guy was holding the ball with one hand when he went down and I thought the ground can't cause a fumble anyways.

Anonymous Jeromus January 11, 2015 4:07 PM  

Complete and utter crap call.

Anonymous rubberducky January 11, 2015 4:08 PM  

The call on that catch is easily the worst call I've seen in quite some time. The guy caught the ball, took some steps with it an performed "a football move" by seeking the end zone. Ball crossed the plane. Touchdown. End of play. Horrifically bad, historically bad, game-changing blown call.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 11, 2015 4:13 PM  

I like Green Bay and hate Dallas...but that was a catch.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 4:13 PM  

here's my problem with the Dez Bryant call.... if he'd broken the plain... it would've been called a TD.

He caught the ball... made a football play with it.. ie... he switched to his left hand and reached for the goal line.

Anonymous Jonathan January 11, 2015 4:17 PM  

He put his own glory over the team's chance of winning - bet a white receiver wouldn't have done that.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 4:18 PM  

'He put his own glory over the team's chance of winning - bet a white receiver wouldn't have done that."

Oh shut up.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 4:19 PM  

Yup a catch, 3 steps. Dez's only crime was he should have tucked the ball instead of stretched it, and there'd be not even a hint of doubt.

It is possible I don't understand what a "football move" is, but if you are moving your legs and the football is in your hand, it sure as heck is not a "football motionless."

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 4:20 PM  

Sigh, It was not a "football act". If you do not understand that you do not understand football. Football is not just quarterback plus ten caddies. WRs need to know the rule book too.

Anonymous Daniel January 11, 2015 4:28 PM  

Wrong, dc. When a catch is made by a receiver who comes down with both feet on the ground, the "football move" would be: stretching for a first down, diving out-of-bounds or running with the ball.

Bryant ran with the ball. Falling down came second. Move completed, ground can't cause a fumble.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 4:31 PM  

The controlling it to ground "process" only applies if you haven't made a football move. Bryant made 3 football moves after catching the ball. Moving the ball to left hand. Pushing off with his legs towards the endzone, extending his left hand to break the plane.

He was either down by contact at the 1 yard line, or fumbled the ball and recovered it in the endzone for a TD.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 4:32 PM  

Of course, the question then becomes did he have possession of the ball before making the steps or not, and that should be the argument before you even get to what happened on the ground. The ground is irrelevant if he had possession and made a move, which is what it looked like to me.

Anonymous VD January 11, 2015 4:32 PM  

Not a catch?! WTF?!

It was a correct call according to the Calvin Johnson rule. And the Calvin Johnson rule is, and has always been, a stupid rule that does nothing except cancel great catches.

What I find so stupid about it is that if the ground can't cause a fumble, how can it cause an incompletion. The play is supposed to end when the ball touches the ground... except if you've caught the ball outside the end zone.

He put his own glory over the team's chance of winning - bet a white receiver wouldn't have done that.

First, you're wrong. White receivers have been bitten by that rule too. Second, he was simply trying to break his fall, which was a mistake. He should have kept both hands on the ball and taken the shot from the ground.

However, Dallas didn't deserve to win. They had the game in their grasp in the first half, and Garrett choked. And if Peppers doesn't make that great strip of Murray, or if the Packers don't recover the fumbled on the return, Dallas wins.

Ball crossed the plane. Touchdown. End of play.

No, he was down first.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 4:38 PM  

You have to complete the move, Will. Had he broken the plane in his stretch, that would have been a completed move. His completed move was running, unless the NFL no longer defines running by placing a foot on the ground more than once in front of another.

I can actually see it being called incomplete on the field, just because the judgment call of the initial catch could have gone the other way. But overturning the call? Not indisputable. Not even by the NFL standard of dispute.

OpenID cailcorishev January 11, 2015 4:39 PM  

Not a catch?! WTF?!

Not according to the rules as they stand. I think they need to change that in the off-season, because it's just not in the league's interest for a play like that to be a failure. (And I'm no Cowboys fan.) When a guy makes an amazing catch and lunges for the end zone, it's just not good for him to be penalized for it. That's the kind of play you want more of, if you're the league.

I also think they're going to have to ease up on the "ball was moving" calls, thanks to replay and HD cameras that give them a lot closer look at it. When a guy's running with the ball, it's not always held as tightly in one position as you might thing, especially after a catch. Sometimes it's shifting around between his arm and body -- under control, but not pinned motionless as seems to be the expectation -- but in the past without high-quality replays, no one would have seen that and control would have been assumed. They need to consider anything "in the grasp" to be control, even if it's moving around a bit in the guy's arms.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 4:42 PM  

However, Dallas didn't deserve to win.

This is true. It worked out, but the Calvin Johnson rule needs to go (especially since it was used in this case to reverse under dispute. If Dez didn't have the ball before the third step, that's more similar to the Megatron catch, if I recall it correctly.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 4:48 PM  

Johnson had two feet down, didn't make a move, and scraped the ball against the turf in one hand. It looked like a catch to me...but it looked like less of a catch than Bryant's, who completed one move following the reception, and failed to complete a second (the endzone stretch).

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 4:51 PM  

I agree with Cail Corishev. The point is, though, being a WR is the guy's life. He is supposed to know Everything about the position and the rules. That is why he has a nice house, a nice wife, children, or the sybaritic substitutes he has chosen. It his job to do what you need to do to convince the refs. Anyone here convinced he ever bothered before hand to figure out what he need to do in such a - not completely unpredicatable - situation? No, he just figured he would get the benefit of the doubt, and consoled himself that he would whine about if he did not. He failed. No big deal, he is a star, but at that moment his lack of intellectual and military-style preparation - the other team and the refs are your enemy - led him to fail. Catch it with both hands, fall or jump backwards, and roll. Difficult, but he is paid to do it right, not to depend on the help of the refs when he does it half-right. Simple.

Anonymous rubberducky January 11, 2015 5:00 PM  

I have seen the official explanation given to the FOX panel. In it, everybody agreed that Bryant did have control of the ball. The NFL guy then asserted that control does not prove possession, to which everybody consented. But of course, in football whenever we have asked, "But did he have control of the ball?" this question is always asked in the context of trying to determine if the player had possession. This has always been true, control of the ball has always been taken as an indicator of possession.

But, if it isn't, this is the point where they introduce a moving goal post and now things can become messy and subjective. I don't know what on what planet the physics work out that you can control an object you do not possess. You may influence it, for example redirect a fumbled ball during a scrum, but you cannot control something you do not possess. From my point of view after 48 years of following this game in all of its forms professional and otherwise, that was a catch.

This was a historically bad call, and it's indicative of a lot of loopy thinking by the rules committee of the NFL (idiots to a man), that they've concocted a scheme here that denies reality.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 5:04 PM  

He is supposed to know Everything about the position and the rules...nyone here convinced he ever bothered before hand to figure out what he need to do in such a - not completely unpredicatable - situation?

Have you every played a high-speed sport? He did figure out what he had to do - score a mother-loving TD. This is football, not ASL.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 5:09 PM  

. I think they need to change that in the off-season, because it's just not in the league's interest for a play like that to be a failure...I also think they're going to have to ease up on the "ball was moving" calls,

I agree on both counts, but the NFL seems stuck in reverse on these sort of things. I wonder if the problem is that they essentially have coaches in charge of rule changes and they get caught up in technical details that turn the fans off.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 5:26 PM  

Jack Amok = Yes, I have. He did all he could at that moment, probably. Like millions of eventually no more than second-rate athletes, he did Not do all he could to train to do more than he could at the moment. That is the dividing line between the Gretzkys of the world and Bryant. Think about it, you are no dummy.

Blogger Josh January 11, 2015 5:31 PM  

Like millions of eventually no more than second-rate athletes, he did Not do all he could to train to do more than he could at the moment. That is the dividing line between the Gretzkys of the world and Bryant. Think about it, you are no dummy.

Are you freaking kidding me?

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 11, 2015 5:34 PM  

This is probably the third game I've even bothered to watch all season. This kind of stuff is why. First, you have some kind of flag what seems like every other play, more ad time then game time and then they have to spend all this time explaining to the fans that the catch they saw wasn't actually a catch. Meh, nothing to me personally and I guess people still eat it up but I find my personal interest in the game wanes with each passing year.

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 11, 2015 5:36 PM  

I keep waiting to see Manning brought onto the field in a Sedan chair carried by officials. He will also be given a head set so he can straighten out any bad calls the officials make. In this entire play off I see one QB being protected. Guess who that would be?

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 11, 2015 5:38 PM  

Oh, forgot one more thing (obviously not applicable today) that makes football more and more unwatchable: any time I have to hear commentary from Cris Collinsworth.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 5:40 PM  

Josh, No, I am not kidding you. Have you ever challenged yourself to do your best? Did you fall short? Look, when some 15 year old girl lands on the wrong side of her skate after a triple axel she doesn't cry about the rules. Can you meet that standard of sportsmanship? By the way,I am not a Green Bay fan.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 5:50 PM  

he did Not do all he could to train to do more than he could at the moment.

Yeah, right. Hey, the Jet's need a coach. Send in your resume.

OpenID cailcorishev January 11, 2015 5:52 PM  

Like millions of eventually no more than second-rate athletes, he did Not do all he could to train to do more than he could at the moment.

Eh, I doubt Gretzky would claim he never made a bone-headed play. If Bryant comes down a foot closer to the end zone, he's a hero. I know what you're saying, and I do get tired of watching millionaires make stupid penalties because they have no self-control. But I don't want to watch robots who never take a chance, either.

Blogger Hazim January 11, 2015 5:54 PM  

Vinney shanks another one. Just when my Colts stop choking, their sure thing goes wobbly. Adam's a sleeper agent, he never stopped being a Patriot.
Oh well, one thing I've learned as a Colts fan is that Peyton can piss away a post - season game like it's his job.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 5:59 PM  

Jack Amok - no need to be rude. Mutual respect is better. Lots of people who post here are in the top one percent of the one percent of the fields they have chosen to follow. Feel free to think I am not one of them.
Cail Corishev - of course it is possible that Bryant and Romo came closer to winning than any other active duty QB/WR combo that exists. Nothing I said rules out that possibility. But nothing I have ever heard about Romo and Bryant leads me to believe they were the right players at the right moment for that play and that nobody else could have done better on that play.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 6:06 PM  

" That is the dividing line between the Gretzkys of the world and Bryant. Think about it, you are no dummy."

You're talking about the best WR in the league.

This makes you sound like an idiot.

Anonymous DC red dogs January 11, 2015 6:12 PM  

Nate - the best Current WR in the league. I agree, without a doubt.
I assure you that those who think I sound like an idiot may be mistaken.
See, e.g. the point made a few minutes ago that even Gretzky made bonehead moves. He was the best and HE WON. Often. See the difference?
For the record, I called about 11 Super Bowls in a row back in the day. Nobody called me an idiot then.

OpenID cailcorishev January 11, 2015 6:29 PM  

But nothing I have ever heard about Romo and Bryant leads me to believe they were the right players at the right moment for that play and that nobody else could have done better on that play.

You've gotten way too metaphysical for me; I guess I have no idea what your point is. I thought we were talking about football.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 6:33 PM  

dc, I'm serious. If you know how to turn second rate athletes into first rate athletes by getting them to study the rulebook, you're exactly what the Jet's need, cause they've got a lot of second rate athletes.

But you can't. That's why I wrote that. Gretzky wasn't great because he studied the rulebook. Hockey doesn't even really have that complex a rulebook anyway.

Mutual respect is better

Fair enough, I'll offer you respect. But your argument I find absurd, and I think it makes you sound like you're talking out of, er, through your hat. Football moves at a fast pace. NFL players are eeking every ounce of physical effort out of their bodies at a fast pace. And the outstanding athletes on the other side are trying to stop you. Getting into the end zone isn't easy, not even from the 2 yard line. If you have a chance to score a TD, you need to take it.

Anonymous Jeromus January 11, 2015 6:38 PM  

Dallas absolutely deserved that win.

Anonymous A Visitor January 11, 2015 6:40 PM  

My Colts will triumph! GO HORSE!

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 6:41 PM  

Glad to see that the NFL has turned Broncos-Colts into a butterfly garden of yellow flags. They are so pretty and who wanted to watch a dumb old football game today anyway?

Anonymous VD January 11, 2015 6:42 PM  

Peyton looks done. In addition to missing Sanders on the fly pattern three times, he threw incomplete on third down rather than simply jogging five yards into empty space. Reminds me of Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC championship game, only worse.

Blogger Daniel January 11, 2015 6:46 PM  

He hit his 2nd wall halfway through the season, and it is really too bad for it to end like this. The last four Broncos games or so have been like watching Dirk Diggler's Corvette fall apart.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 11, 2015 6:49 PM  

Jack Amok - I absolutely cannot even change a third rate athlete to a second rate one, if I could, I would be NFL famous and not posting here. My point, though, at minimum, is this - Best ratio of preparation to talent among QBs - let's say Flacco, Best ratio of preparation to talent among WRs, let's say Fitzgerald. In the situation we are discussing, let's say Flacco throws to Fitzgerald, everything else remains the same, the offense wins, because Fitzgerald understands that the refs are his enemy. I don't think many non-Cowboy fans would say the more talented Romo and Bryant were better prepared for that down than Flacco and Fitzgerald would have been. I guess Bryant, in particular, and Romo to a lesser degree, just don't have it in them to be as prepared as winners often have to be. I am not saying that is a moral failing on their part, I am just calling it like it is. By the way, if I am the ref on the field, that is a TD, because I think games should, when in doubt, be decided by effort rather than flags. But its not my call, obviously,

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 6:51 PM  

Well I can look forward to a Seattle v. New England Super Bowl. That should be fun to watch.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 6:53 PM  

@ Jack Amok
Getting into the end zone isn't easy, not even from the 2 yard line. If you have a chance to score a TD, you need to take it.

Granted. But in order to score, one must first have possession of the ball. Its no different than someone heading upfield before they have finished catching the ball.

Coincidently, on the fumbled punt in the Denver game, the analyst ref said it was a fumbled based on the same process rule that burnt Bryant, but the official officials went the other way.

Sounds like a crapshoot, doesn't it?

Anonymous Leatherwing January 11, 2015 7:00 PM  

Peyton looks done 2 things that stood out to me: When he fumbled, his attempt at recovery was not very athletic; his failure to run for the first down.
He can stand in the pocket and pass, but can't really be an athlete. You reach a point where your head knows what to do but your body fails. I thinks he's reached that point.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 7:14 PM  

"est ratio of preparation to talent among QBs - let's say Flacco, Best ratio of preparation to talent among WRs, let's say Fitzgerald."

I was with you... right up until you said Flacco... then I just laughed to myself and stopped reading.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 7:15 PM  

"Peyton looks done 2 things that stood out to me: When he fumbled, his attempt at recovery was not very athletic; his failure to run for the first down. "

He's looked that way all year. People are ignoring it but his arm is clearly not what it was 5 years ago. He's still got the accuracy but not the zip.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2015 7:16 PM  

Brady has lost some velocity too... but saying it will have every new england fan in the world shouting racial epithets.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 7:22 PM  

They just showed the Colts coach's father sucking on an unlit cigar like it was a soother. Is that kind of thing allowed? TMI, eh.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 7:32 PM  

I'm not going to bitch and moan about the Dez call - it probably would've been the same if it was MegaTron or another big receiver not being able to maintain possession after hitting the ground. The rule says what it says: https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/554427654905298944

...but at least this should silence the 'refs are in Jerry Jones pocket' bitchin'.

Seriously, credit where credit's due: Rodgers was dialed in (and looked like he'd received a pain shot in that calf) during the second half, and the shortcomings of this defense that have been evident all year were exposed thanks to a few injuries.

Nick Hayden surprise surprise isn't as good at completing the sack as Henry Melton and tends to fall down with one hand on QBs a lot. As I said after the Detroit game, I've never seen a D get more pressures and convert so few of them into sacks. The injuries at linebacker losing Sean Lee (who would've blown up a lot of the Packers screen passes and probably gotten to Rodgers on a blitz), Justin Durant (solid tackler, even if poor in coverage) and finally Rolando McClain on the second play this week finally added up.

Since Dallas is going to be picking 27th the top pass rushers are likely to be off the board but maybe they will draft a right tackle to replace Doug Free or a corner to cut Carr, who wasn't all that terrible in the playoffs despite struggling with faster receivers during the season.

Dallas priority has to be:

1) Pass rush
2) Pass rush
3) Pass rush
4) RT and CB

Everything else including replacing Murray if some team like the Vikings, Jags or Raiders throws ridiculous money at him (doubtful) is secondary.

Blogger Brad Andrews January 11, 2015 7:38 PM  

Was there enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field in the final call? I don't think that standard was met, but the Cowboys lost because their defense quit at key times. You can't let other teams regularly get a 1st down on 3rd and long!

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 7:38 PM  

"Dude? 8 for 8 with 3 TDs on 3rd down? Against a top-third passing defense? On a night when the running game was being stuffed? What's not to believe?"

Problem for Wilson against Dallas this season wasn't himself or even his protection which was spotty but the Seagulls receivers all being smurfs that lack awesome quickness (except for Harvin) who got jammed at the line. Green Bay actually matches up very well against Seattle their problem is going to be keeping Rodgers upright he won't get the kind of time he had against Dallas and the Seahawks pass rush and DBs are far more competent in their tackling and angles. Wilson should also be able to find running lanes against this Packers defense though they're gonna hit em' if he can't get out of bounds. Teams haven't had to account for Romo as a runner in years and sometimes when he rarely takes off it's only because there is 10 yards ahead of him before he gets touched while sliding.

Maybe Pete Carroll will finally go out and get Wilson some big dog receivers. I could see Vincent Jackson getting cut by the Bucs for cap room and settling in Seattle.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 7:40 PM  

Agreed. When the Packers converted on 3 and 15 with Sterling Moore (an undersized safety we picked up from the Patriots who is hopelessly outmatched trying to play slot corner against quicker receivers) after the dumb false start penalty I knew we were probably done for.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 7:42 PM  

Granted. But in order to score, one must first have possession of the ball. Its no different than someone heading upfield before they have finished catching the ball.

He had possession by any reasonable definition, and especially by a definition that can be processed at high speed while engaged in athletic maneuvers. The problem is the NFL has a rule that goes against natural expectations, both of the fans and the players.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 7:50 PM  

He had possession by any reasonable definition

This is akin to the morality is not legality argument. The NFL is not a natural entity, but a corporate one. Its theology is determined by fiat.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 7:50 PM  

Best ratio of preparation to talent among QBs - let's say Flacco,

You're forgetting the guy currently losing to Andrew Luck. Among others.

Best ratio of preparation to talent among WRs, let's say Fitzgerald. In the situation we are discussing, let's say Flacco throws to Fitzgerald, everything else remains the same, the offense wins, because Fitzgerald understands that the refs are his enemy.

No, because Fitzgerald doesn't get down the field fast enough so the ball falls incomplete. And if he did get there, there's a reasonable chance he makes the same mistake.

Look, Dez Bryant does some boneheaded things (cough, running onto the field, cough), but that play wasn't a boneheaded move. That was a competitive athlete trying to make a play.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 7:52 PM  

That game was so sad I didn't pay attention for the last few minutes. Its kind of like watching someone die.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts January 11, 2015 7:54 PM  

Good to see karma come back and bite Dallas on the behind. Win by the ref, die by the ref.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 8:00 PM  

"Good to see karma come back and bite Dallas on the behind. Win by the ref, die by the ref." As far as karma goes, the Seahawks don't care that Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers, and their pass rushers are far better at converting pressures into sacks. I'd take the over on them getting Rodgers down 4 times, maybe 5. Seahawks 24-GB 17

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 8:02 PM  

"Look, Dez Bryant does some boneheaded things (cough, running onto the field, cough), but that play wasn't a boneheaded move. That was a competitive athlete trying to make a play." Hear hear. I'll take Dez's heart and his mind now that he's at least running good routes compared to earlier in career and getting off press with the help of a more competent play caller in Linehan over 'better prepared' but less talented receivers any day.

Cowboys need to lock up Beasley he's been a real difference maker in terms of making teams pay for sliding double coverage to Dez's side.

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 8:07 PM  

zen0:
They just showed the Colts coach's father sucking on an unlit cigar like it was a soother. Is that kind of thing allowed?
Probably wouldn't have let him light it, as PC as the NFL is these days.
Payton looks done.
Could be, maybe last season was his last hurrah and locked up his HOF entry. My guess is after that lost season his Dr.s told him (and the Colts) ''if you keep playing, you might wind up in a wheelchair'' it could well be that risk is looming large in his mind.
Manning may well play next season, but it's time for the Broncos to look at the draft as a way to find Manning's replacement - as the Colts already did.

Anonymous rubberducky January 11, 2015 8:10 PM  

Behead the invader zebras! #JeSuisCharlieMartel !!!!!!!

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 8:11 PM  

Problem for Wilson against Dallas this season wasn't himself or even his protection which was spotty but the Seagulls receivers all being smurfs that lack awesome quickness (except for Harvin) who got jammed at the line.

I'd like to introduce #82, Luke Willson... He's really been stepping up lately. Not sure yet if he's the real deal, but he's got speed and size and - unlike Cooper Heifert - he can catch the ball.

Wilson should also be able to find running lanes against this Packers defense

He almost made Roman Harper fall over backwards with a juke yesterday. Yeah, I worry about the hits too, but he's pretty good at getting down when he needs to. The refs picked up a flag when Cam Newton slide and there was contact, but he slid so late, it was obvious it wasn't something they could call. It was good to see them being reasonable about that. Brady, Romo or PManning get that call, not cause they're royalty, but because there's almost zero chance of them dropping their shoulder and trying to run over the defender. But Newton or Wilson? Yeah, you gotta let the defense set up for a hit on those guys. Rodgers too. The leg will limit him, but healthy he's a good runner too.

Maybe Pete Carroll will finally go out and get Wilson some big dog receivers.

I doubt it through FA. They drafted Paul Richardson this year, and they'll probably take a WR with the 1st or 2nd Round next year too (WR and LEO type in rounds 1 and 2). Their offense is a throwback to the mid-70's - run, run, bomb. Kearse, Richardson and Willson can usually play that role. With all the extensions (including Wilson's, which ain't gonna be cheap), they won't have cap room to bring in a big name WR. They'll have to make do with what they have and what they can get cheap.

Anonymous Billy January 11, 2015 8:18 PM  

I think what left a bad taste towards the Broncos for me(other than the obvious lack of white diversity on the team), their lack of playing Welker all season, and getting rid of Eric Decker. I guess they got what they deserved.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 8:22 PM  

This is akin to the morality is not legality argument.

I'd say it's more like the argument about whether a law should be something a 'reasonable man' considers illegal. The NFL shouldn't have rules that a "reasonable WR" and a "reasonable fan" consider foolish.

But, whatever metaphor we use, two weeks in a row the NFL has playoff games where the refs are big parts of the post-game commentary. Way to go, NFL...

Anonymous Billy January 11, 2015 8:23 PM  

As far as Dez Bryant. My buddy calls it TNB.ha ha

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 8:24 PM  

Cowboys Fan:
Green Bay actually matches up very well against Seattle their problem is going to be keeping Rodgers upright he won't get the kind of time he had against Dallas and the Seahawks pass rush and DBs are far more competent in their tackling and angles.
Don't underestimate the crowd noise factor; I've not seen the NFL invoke that rule even though the Seattle stadium was pretty obviously designed to take advantage of and enhance it.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 11, 2015 8:53 PM  

YIH - when I said Green Bay matches up well I meant their corners especially Shields do very very well against smaller or quicker receivers...including athletic freaks for their size like Odell Beckham. I meant Shields had no chance on the bomb Romo threw for Dez to go up and get on 4th and 2. It was a typical Romo play in the sense that Tony would rather go for the win than try to lay up for the 1st and Romo of late has been maddingly hanging on the ball for huge periods of time (even more so than he has throughout his career, whereas Eli Manning is the best QB I've seen at finding creative ways to throw it away without taking grounding penalties). Sometimes Romo's riverboat gambler Brett Favre style pays off like with the TD at the back of the end zone to Detroit. Other times like today he gets sacked twice and can't get a penalty or a slick screen pass YAC to convert.

I haven't watched the Seahawks since the Dallas game so perhaps Luke Wilson is emerging as the real deal at TE. I felt like that was the missing component that allowed a mediocre Dallas D to shut the Seahawks down sufficiently that they could focus all their efforts in the front 7 on containing Wilson and Beast mode (who will look good in a Raiders uniform next year).

Again credit to the Packers. I'm not pissed about the call and Detroit fans shouldn't have been either both defenses could not defend leads when it counted. Even if Dez had somehow scored it would have been a miracle play leaving Rodgers with 3 1/2 minutes on the clock and two time outs...plenty of time to score the winning TD on our by that point tired, poorly tackling and angle taking defense.

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 8:59 PM  

Green Bay actually matches up very well against Seattle

Did we forget about the season opener where healthy and refreshed Rodgers lost 36-16 to the Seahawks? And it isn't just the Seahawks. Against top 10 defenses they are 16, 7, and 13 on the road.

The only .500+ team the Packers beat on the road was the Dolphins and if it wasn't for Philbin doing his boy McCarthy a solid with some inconceivable timeouts, the Fins would have won that.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 9:35 PM  

> Did we forget about the season opener where healthy and refreshed Rodgers lost 36-16 to the Seahawks? And it isn't just the Seahawks. Against top 10 defenses they are 16, 7, and 13 on the road.

Umm, yah, but he does very interesting commercial spots. ....... Duh!

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 9:39 PM  

@ Jack Amok
But, whatever metaphor we use, two weeks in a row the NFL has playoff games where the refs are big parts of the post-game commentary. Way to go, NFL...

From time immemorial it has ever been thus..... part of the entertainment package, actually.

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 9:40 PM  

Cowboys Fan:
I'm not pissed about the call
Me neither, like it or not there is such a thing as ''the luck of the draw''. That's what still makes football interesting. We can talk all day about ''what if?'' and IMHO, he caught it and had it under control and stretched to get the ball ''to break the plane of the goal line'', which is the whole point isn't it?

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 9:47 PM  

zen0:
From time immemorial it has ever been thus..... part of the entertainment package, actually.
There were probably those who were saying ''Festivus's chariot beat Isidro's chariot!'' about 2015 years ago.
Too bad they didn't have ''super slo-mo instant replay'' like we do now...
[or even 'photo finish'...] :/

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 9:48 PM  

@ YIH and IMHO, he caught it and had it under control and stretched to get the ball ''to break the plane of the goal line'', which is the whole point isn't it?

But at that point in time, given the circumstances, and the rules.....it was not the "whole point" at all. Given the circumstances, and the rules, at that point in time, one would be best served by securing the catch before any other moves.

Case closed. If the glove don't fit.......

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 9:53 PM  

Too bad they didn't have ''super slo-mo instant replay'' like we do now...

All that does is provide finer points for disagreement. Not closure.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 9:57 PM  

There were probably those who were saying ''Festivus's chariot beat Isidro's chariot!''

The Blues and the Greens.

Which I guess explains the Seahawks - they've combined both factions.

Blogger bob k. mando January 11, 2015 10:00 PM  

VD January 11, 2015 4:32 PM
It was a correct call according to the Calvin Johnson rule. And the Calvin Johnson rule is, and has always been, a stupid rule that does nothing except cancel great catches.

What I find so stupid about it is that if the ground can't cause a fumble, how can it cause an incompletion.



so, we can get your name on that 'Goodell Must Go' petition now?


cailcorishev January 11, 2015 5:52 PM
Eh, I doubt Gretzky would claim he never made a bone-headed play.



that's the funny thing; if you listen to a few of the Truly Great players evaluate one of their own games ... what you'll find is that they will often criticize moves that they made that no one else even understood was an error.




Nate January 11, 2015 7:15 PM
He's looked that way all year. People are ignoring it but his arm is clearly not what it was 5 years ago. He's still got the accuracy but not the zip



the hilarious thing being, that was exactly the opposite of his problem in this game.

Peyton was OVER THROWING his deep receivers. the short balls, he was putting right in their bread baskets ... and they were getting dropped.

between Peyton's lousy accuracy on the long balls and the receivers playing fumblety-peg on the short ones, Denver had no chance. fer chrissakes, at the half he was UNDER 50% completions.

i will say this; last year in the Super Bowl was not Peyton's fault. this game absolutely is.

Irsay is looking pretty smart.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 10:06 PM  

Best summary on the Dez Bryant from talk radio - good call, bad rule.

so, we can get your name on that 'Goodell Must Go' petition now?

Mine should be on there already. Several times...

But Goodell isn't the only problem here.

Anonymous CorkyAgain January 11, 2015 10:09 PM  

Don't underestimate the crowd noise factor

But don't overestimate it either.

I live in Seattle and have watched all the Seahawks games. Except for offenses like Manning's which rely on a lot of audibles, I haven't seen many of them all that bothered by the crowd noise at the CLink this year. It's not the novelty it once was and teams have figured out how to deal with it.

Where it does have an effect is in getting the Seahawks D amped up.

Anonymous zen0 January 11, 2015 10:09 PM  

When I was into photography, I used to find great pleasure in photographing road kill. Then, after a few people I knew became road kill, it lost its allure.

I will probably be done with the NFL in a year or two.

Blogger YIH January 11, 2015 10:23 PM  

zen0L
Case closed. If the glove don't fit...
I hope the NFL rules committee will address that. Obviously it was embarassing. The whole point is that the officials ARE NEVER supposed ''to be part of the game''.
I hope the NFL addresses that in the owner's meeting.
They have before (as I mentioned the 'crowd noise' rule that the late, great, Pete Rozelle pushed through before he ''retired'').

OpenID malcolmthecynic January 11, 2015 10:33 PM  

Vox is right. Good call, dumb rule. Can't say I'm too broken up. I don't like Dallas, and anyway they had other chances to put it away and didn't take them. Turnovers and bad playcalling will kill you.

Blogger bob k. mando January 11, 2015 10:47 PM  

Jack Amok January 11, 2015 10:06 PM
But Goodell isn't the only problem here.



i was being a smartass, not making a serious point. Vox is already on record calling for Goodell's head over his mishandling of this years DV incidents.

on the other hand, this is NOT the first time this f'ed up rule has messed up a game.

IF Goodell didn't have his head up his ass THEN he'd have already forced the owners / rules committee to revisit this section of the book.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2015 10:58 PM  

i was being a smartass, not making a serious point.

Damnit, you mean you're not collecting signatures? Who is? Where do I sign?

Anonymous Will Best January 11, 2015 11:05 PM  

Irsay is looking pretty smart.

At the time I thought the only decision to be made was whether to have Luck ride pine behind Manning for a couple years or move on right now. If Manning wasn't interested in restructuring his deal, then cutting him became a financial necessity.

Blogger AdognamedOp January 11, 2015 11:34 PM  

I wonder if fatso Christie is sulking over a 15 gallon bucket of Ben and Jerrys right now.

Blogger Brad Andrews January 11, 2015 11:35 PM  

I watched the play again when my wife was watching the taped game and I saw the ball pop up into the air after he rolled on the ground this time. That does make it a good call, in spite of the rule being stupid as noted.

Blogger bob k. mando January 11, 2015 11:39 PM  

Will Best January 11, 2015 11:05 PM
If Manning wasn't interested in restructuring his deal, then cutting him became a financial necessity.



you don't understand. i live in Michiana / Northern Indiana.

i get to listen to all of the drama queening by the local fans. in relation to the Colts, a couple of years ago it was "OMG, Irsay is kicking the greatest of all time to the curb!"

of course, now everybody says, "well, Peyton never was any good in the playoffs anyways."

i also get to listen to all of the perennial whining about how Notre Dame should be ranked higher in football and IU basketball jabber.

it's like being surrounded by Thordaddies, only they're going on about sports instead of White Supremacy.

Blogger WATYF January 11, 2015 11:59 PM  

Peyton was OVER THROWING his deep receivers. the short balls, he was putting right in their bread baskets ... and they were getting dropped.

^This right here. At one point, he had something like 6 incompletions in a row, the majority of which were overthrown long balls (and one of which was a dropped pass).

It might be time to stick a fork in Peyton.

WATYF

Anonymous wEz January 12, 2015 1:22 AM  

Correct me if I'm wrong. On the Dez incompletion, if he would have been a few inches further and the ball would have nicked the goal plane on his way down and yet still dislodged the way it did, wouldnt that have been considered a touchdown for breaking the plane?
Either way the rule defies common sense. He had 2-3 feet down, full ball control, rubbed one out, stretched his arm a big, and that wasn't a completion because the ground caused the ball to move, though it cant cause a fumble. If that wasn't a football move then I'm blind.

Anonymous CorkyAgain January 12, 2015 1:30 AM  

Nope. Dez was falling (never regained his balance) from the time he first touched the ball until it hit the ground when he landed. By rule, that's an incomplete pass.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 12, 2015 1:55 AM  

Will Best: "Did we forget about the season opener where healthy and refreshed Rodgers lost 36-16 to the Seahawks? And it isn't just the Seahawks. Against top 10 defenses they are 16, 7, and 13 on the road."

I had forgotten the Week 1 beatdown when the Packers were healthy and got stomped by the defending Champs (whom we beat by the way, along with a couple other teams that finished top 5 or 10 in defense).

Although I'm not sure Seattle's D will be healthy or fresh for this one, point well taken. I just don't think Green Bay will play so well once they get behind (as they will in Seattle) and the Seahawks don't have to worry about Lacy but can just concentrate on blitzing and teeing off on Rodgers. Dallas never had a big enough lead to not worry about the run. But FWIW, although I think the Packers corners matched up well against the Seahawks receivers in that game it really didn't matter because Beast Mode ran it down their throats without BJ Raji. The Packers did manage to go from worst rushing D in the league to average by the end of the season to their coaches' and players credit, but if I'm the Seahawks I pass on first down (mostly screens and passes to the TE which Romo was able to hit to Witten often) and run on second.

Anonymous Cowboys Fan January 12, 2015 1:58 AM  

"Best summary on the Dez Bryant from talk radio - good call, bad rule." Nice to see sports talk radio can go from pandering to Cowboy haters to Cowboy love within a week. Whatever they say just talk Cowboys and put them on the TV and watch the ratings pop. America's Team baby and the ratings don't lie I bet this Cowboys-Packers game easily exceeded Denver-Indy in prime time and it wasn't even close. Dallas has been a part of 5 of the 10 most watched regular season games of the past half decade, in which we've also been the definition of mediocrity as a football team. Goodell did admit 'it's good for the league when Dallas is playing well' so make of that what you will.

Anonymous wEz January 12, 2015 2:46 AM  

I agree, and think the packers matchup terrible against seattle.
Rogers will get crushed without mobility, as I think seattle wins in the trenches and with overall speed. I can see a 13-17 pt win. But as they say, "that's why they play the games".

Blogger Brad Andrews January 12, 2015 4:11 AM  

Romo seemed fairly shaken up in the game, so his value next week would have been dubious even if they had squeaked our a win.

Though it also depends on whether their defense plays or not, especially on 3rd down.

Anonymous Ryan ATL January 12, 2015 8:10 AM  

Damn Vox for being such a smart guy in other things, your NFL picks are so vanilla. 3 out of 4 underdogs covered the spread, 1 won outright, and Carolina came within 2 or 4 depending on the line you got. Picking all favorites is so boring and "square". C'mon bro it's the NFL!

OpenID simplytimothy January 12, 2015 9:34 AM  

Look at the opportunity cost Denver has incurred for going with Peyton instead of Tebow.

They had a winning quarterback with Tebow who they could have been developing the last two years. They squandered it on a high-priced veteran.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat January 12, 2015 10:41 AM  

They had a winning quarterback with Tebow

Excuse me for a minute. I need to apologize to the cube farm for almost passing out in laughter.

I am a Tebow fan, as a person. I believe he's a stand-up guy who could have had a decent career in the NFL in a couple of different positions, but is cashing in as an announcer in a LOT easier job. Good for him.

He was NOT going to be the Denver QB of the future, just like Cam Newton won't help Carolina be more than an also-ran.

That said, Denver certainly has a real problem. Manning's ego has been too big to mentor a young QB, and even the most optimistic Manning fan has to think he's only got a couple of years left in the league. John Elway needs to man up and find the next QB now, and tell Payton to suck the ego in and teach the whippersnapper a thing or two.

Now, if someone can fix the Bungles....

Anonymous Susan January 12, 2015 11:32 AM  

KP, I think the point that simplytimothy was making was that Tebow is a TEAM player.
He worked hard and got the team into a really good position.

Then the chance to acquire Manning came up and they unceremoniously booted Tebow to the curb. Then in that game last year, he proceeded to fail most spectacularly.

Manning is all about Manning holding a record as being the oldest QB to win a SB, and screw the team he rode in with.
I watched that SB game last year only to watch the Seahawks. Manning and the Bronco management totally deserved that loss. Manning walked into that stadium believing his own press, and got his head handed to him.

Good QB's require skill yes, but that good QB also needs to be part of his team. A team that has a diva QB like Manning is always going to have problems.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 12, 2015 11:45 AM  

"Best summary on the Dez Bryant from talk radio - good call, bad rule." Nice to see sports talk radio can go from pandering to Cowboy haters to Cowboy love within a week.

If it's any consolation, he immediately went on to talk about how the Dez Bryant call was probably Karma for the game last week, so the Cowboy hate wasn't far away.

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