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Friday, January 30, 2015

Does this actually count as news?

George R.R. Martin will not deliver in 2015:
George R.R. Martin's "The Winds Of Winter", the fifth book of his bestselling fantasy saga "A Song Of Ice And Fire" (known to television fans as "Game Of Thrones") will not be published in 2015. Jane Johnson at HarperCollins has confirmed that it is not in this year's schedule. "I have no information on likely delivery," she said. "These are increasingly complex books and require immense amounts of concentration to write. Fans really ought to appreciate that the length of these monsters is equivalent to two or three novels by other writers."

Instead, readers will have to comfort themselves with a collection, illustrated by Gary Gianni, of three previously anthologised novellas set in the world of Westeros. "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" takes place nearly a century before the bloody events of the A Song of Ice and Fire series. Out in October, it is a compilation of the first three official prequel novellas to the series, The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword and The Mystery Knight, never before collected.
I know, I know... but my monster book, the second novel in Arts of Dark and Light WILL be out in 2015. Most likely late 2015, but 2015 all the same. As for The Winds of Winter, he's going to have to step up his game considerably from A Dance with Dragons, because frankly, that was pretty bad. I'm not entirely sure he's going to be able to come back from it.

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Blogger Eric Wilson January 30, 2015 8:54 PM  

How about the Great Inflation/Deflation debate? Is that anywhere close?

Blogger Vox January 30, 2015 8:59 PM  

How about the Great Inflation/Deflation debate? Is that anywhere close?

I'm not doing anything but game design, editing, and AODAL Book Two.

Blogger Krul January 30, 2015 9:28 PM  

I have yet to give up hope for the next Hypergamouse.

Anonymous Rico January 30, 2015 9:44 PM  

"I'm not doing anything but game design, editing, and AODAL Book Two."

And publishing more John C. Wright I hope.

Anonymous MendoScot January 30, 2015 10:01 PM  

The lost Legion.

Can´t wait.

Blogger Josh January 30, 2015 10:05 PM  

BUT WHEN IT GETS HERE IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME!

Wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener, wiener...

Anonymous Rhys January 30, 2015 10:15 PM  

How about the Great Inflation/Deflation debate? Is that anywhere close?

Nate predicted SHTF somewhere in late 2014 or 2015 IIRC so the economy could collapse before the debate about how it will collapse is resolved.

Blogger chris January 30, 2015 10:21 PM  

Vox.
The Dance of Dragons was not bad. It was unreadable. Reminds me of Robert Jordon after novel four.

Needs an editor and needs to split his books.

Anonymous Trimegistus January 30, 2015 10:22 PM  

I have to wonder if Mr. Martin isn't just getting sick of that series. Would you enjoy spending a decade or more of your own life deeply embedded in the fictional lives of such a horrible bunch of people?

Blogger chris January 30, 2015 10:34 PM  

Off topic: got Throne of Bones via Amazon (Always pay the authors you like) but the dead tree copies are around $170. Was there no second printing? Is there a place for you all to produce a dead tree backup for when the kindle croaks?

Anonymous Jack Amok January 30, 2015 10:36 PM  

Nate predicted SHTF somewhere in late 2014 or 2015 IIRC so the economy could collapse before the debate about how it will collapse is resolved.

The Devolution will not be Publicized.

Anonymous Daniel January 30, 2015 10:46 PM  

It's going to be too late for Super Bowl Sunday, but I think I'll take a look at GRR Martin's football sf stories on Tuesday at CH. He clearly loved the game at some point (he may still - no idea) but didn't have much clue about how it really worked.

The Last Super Bowl was predicted to be played in 2016. Green Bay Packers vs. the Hoboken Jets, I believe.

Anonymous Daniel January 30, 2015 11:03 PM  

Martin makes slightly more money off of his epic than Vox. It is his main job. Gaiman first defended the man's delays in what? 2008? Martin was a young gunner...in 1975. Dance with Dragons sucked a lot - almost bad enough to actually earn a Hugo. If I were him, I wouldn't even bother. I'd hand it off to Abercrombie if he wanted it, and edit it to my liking.

I do not blame him. His crowning glory came too late, and there is nothing he could have done about it. I just hope he doesn't do a Pratchett job if something does come out. DwD was close enough for my tastes, although the series wasn't really building steam before that.

Anonymous MRiley January 30, 2015 11:09 PM  

No worries, HBO will finish the TV series and then I won't have to slog through the books (assuming Martin lives long enough to finish them).

Blogger bob k. mando January 30, 2015 11:27 PM  

Trimegistus January 30, 2015 10:22 PM
I have to wonder if Mr. Martin isn't just getting sick of that series. Would you enjoy spending a decade or more of your own life deeply embedded in the fictional lives of such a horrible bunch of people?



i doubt that it makes much difference.

Martin, like most Pinkshirts, does a lot of projecting.

think of it this way;
whether he writes it down and inflicts it on you or not, he's STILL going to be living with it in his head.

Anonymous DavidK January 30, 2015 11:30 PM  

No worries, HBO will finish the TV series and then I won't have to slog through the books (assuming Martin lives long enough to finish them).

Ha, all he will have to do is wait for HBO to finish the series and then he can write the tie-in novels.

Vox, as soon as AODAL 2 is out I will buy and read it, but Dance of Dragons is still unread waiting on the shelf for Martin to give me a sign he is serious about finishing.

Anonymous realmatt January 30, 2015 11:35 PM  

I dont understand. He has time to write crappy (I assume) little one-offs and prequels etc but not the next book in his convoluted overrated series?

In other news, Serenity has been on cinemax lately. I forgot how good it is.

Blogger Jack Hanson January 30, 2015 11:45 PM  

Martin needs an editor and a personal trainer.

Anonymous jack January 30, 2015 11:50 PM  

@realmatt:
Yeah, I have Serenity the series and the movie on DVD. Love em all, and view again every year or so.

Blogger Eric Wilson January 31, 2015 12:41 AM  

I'm not doing anything but game design, editing, and AODAL Book Two.

Yeah, I think I knew that. Just thought that Nate had it in a .pdf somewhere.

Blogger Eric Wilson January 31, 2015 1:31 AM  

Nate predicted SHTF somewhere in late 2014 or 2015 IIRC so the economy could collapse before the debate about how it will collapse is resolved.

Indeed. Although I was on Team Whiskey Zulu at the time, it seemed like the weakest point of his argument. Deflation seems more (and more) likely now, but the two-three year time frame doesn't seem plausible for either.

Anonymous Wyrd January 31, 2015 2:14 AM  

Clericus and his legion arm themselves with Gothic plate armor, English longbows and longswords, and proceed to kick ass all over Selenoth. There's your story. Now quit procrastinating and get back to writing!

Anonymous beerme January 31, 2015 2:14 AM  

I'd hand it off to Abercrombie if he wanted it, and edit it to my liking.
He won't do it. Martin will likely one up Jordan by having the film version and the books from the writer who finishes the series being considered superior to the original work.

Blogger Penrose January 31, 2015 2:21 AM  

His last two books have been boring yarns that were too long. Someone needs to tell fantasy writers that your books don't need to be 1200 pages to be epic. Make your books epic in scope and impact both thematically and emotionally. Epic length is superfluous. I also enjoy leftists praising Martin's work when the protagonist family can only be considered rightist. The Stark's words are "Wing Is Coming" which is a cry of preservation, a virtue of the right.

Blogger Eric Hanson January 31, 2015 2:31 AM  

Game of Thrones can not hold a candle to ATOB. It was a monumental disappointment after reading the first volume. I wait with anticipation the next installment of ATOB while I have dropped GOT like a wash cloth used by hermaphrodites to cleanse their particulars. "Where there are many words transgression is unavoidable".

Anonymous VD January 31, 2015 5:10 AM  

Game of Thrones can not hold a candle to ATOB.

Thanks, but that's crazy talk. The first two Martin books are considerably better, in my opinion. That being said, it's a pity more A Game of Thrones fans don't give ATOB a try. Most would probably like it better than Abercrombie, whose stuff is probably the next best in the Epic field.

Blogger James Sullivan January 31, 2015 6:00 AM  

I was a fan of Martin's first three Thrones books. But 4 and 5 were just horrible. And, even if they had been "O.K.", they were still just about worthless in terms of driving the story line. He doesn't need to split anymore books. He needs an editor to take a sword to them and cut them down to a manageable size.

And kick him when he spends pages and pages on food and worthless description.

Martin is to feasts as Jordon was fabric and buttons.

And I say, give it to Sanderson. Was his ending of Wheel of Time perfect? Not by a long shot. But it was much better than it had any right to be, given the state Jordan left it.

I like Abercrombie, somewhat. He is readable and moves a narrative. But of the two books I've read (Best Served Cold and The Blade Itself), I had to keep putting them down. The inherent cynicism in them, the constant sadism of his world was killing me. He needs to inject just a little more hope in them for me to really get behind them.

A Throne of Bones was quite good. I am also eagerly awaiting the next.

Now, if we could only get John C. Wright to tackle epic fantasy...

Anonymous Bill S January 31, 2015 8:04 AM  

Help please!! ATOB???

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 8:19 AM  

Help please!! ATOB???

A Throne Of Bones. See the right sidebar.

Blogger Jim January 31, 2015 8:55 AM  

Is this news? I'd say it's more like information that you don't need. Like what the day's high temp will be in Miami when you live in Winnipeg.

The third book came out in 2000, which means that Martin hasn't written a word worth reading in 15 years. The TV show has overtaken the books to the point that many fans probably trust the producers to give them better entertainment than Martin could himself.

OpenID cailcorishev January 31, 2015 8:57 AM  

To get me interested again, he'd have to quickly dispose of most of the new characters introduced in the last couple books who seemed like unnecessary filler; set boring Dragon Girl off to the side until she's needed in Westeros (less is more, with her); get a grip on the supernatural stuff so it makes some coherent sense; and get back to the characters and issues from the first 2-3 books that made me care about the story in the first place.

I'm not optimistic.

Anonymous RedJack January 31, 2015 9:07 AM  

He lost me with the fourth book. I was pretty much beaten down by then anyway.

OpenID cailcorishev January 31, 2015 9:07 AM  

It just occurred to me that books 4 and 5 are like a collection of ASoIaF fan-fiction. Well-written fan fiction, but fanfic nonetheless. One fan said, "I really like Cersei, so I'm going to write 300 pages about Cersei becoming increasingly power-hungry and pants-crappingly insane while her schemes crash around her." Another said, "I like the setting, but the characters bore me, so I'm going to bring in some background characters from a distant land and make them my protagonists for several chapters." Another said, "I like it, but it's too mundane. I know what it needs: zombies! I'll write zombies into my version." Another: "I just really like this dragon girl. I'll follow her around in the desert for a hundred years writing admiringly about how tough and determined she is."

Tie them all together, and you have Dance.

Anonymous Gecko January 31, 2015 9:20 AM  

Someone needs to tell fantasy writers that your books don't need to be 1200 pages to be epic. Make your books epic in scope and impact both thematically and emotionally.

This is what makes all the, "He's the next Tolkien!1!" claims especially ridiculous. The Lord of the Rings was not very long, relatively speaking, but nobody denies that it was epic in scope. Tolkien's skill with the English language allowed him to provide beautiful images for the reader's mind with very few words. He knew how to invoke our imaginations instead of painting the pictures for us. Brevity was one of his many masteries.

Blogger grendel January 31, 2015 9:35 AM  

With each new character comes the need to show their POV and make them the victim of something so that they're sympathetic. Hard to move the story that way.

Blogger Buddy E. January 31, 2015 9:43 AM  

I never made it past book 3. It gets worse?

Blogger annk January 31, 2015 9:57 AM  

Fans in Central Texas might be interested in his trip back to Texas A&M Feb. 27. He has been a great friend of the university (and its world-class sci fi and fantasy collections) for decades and will be here to give a first-edition copy of "The Hobbit" to Texas A&M Libraries to commemorate the acquisition of their five-millionth volume.

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 10:09 AM  

It gets worse?

Considerably. Tyrion goes from one of the most intriguing characters to the most stupidly annoying. And a host of new characters are introduced, none of whom are even remotely interesting, or in most cases, relevant to the plot.

Anonymous Morgan January 31, 2015 10:44 AM  

I stopped reading the series after A FEAST FOR RAVENS. For about 10 years I have been saying he is going to die before finishing the series. I will be reviewing some of the anthologies he has co-edited with Gardner Dozois at the Castalia House blog in a few weeks.

Anonymous Morgan January 31, 2015 10:45 AM  

Make that A FEAST FOR CROWS, not A FEAST FOR RAVENS.

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 11:21 AM  

I will be reviewing some of the anthologies he has co-edited with Gardner Dozois at the Castalia House blog in a few weeks.

Look forward to that.

Blogger Buddy E. January 31, 2015 11:33 AM  

That's sort of part of why I dropped book 3, too many characters that don't appreciably move the plotline. Hell, my look at these books so far is that they basically have four or so really great chapters at the front, nine million words of filler that make it epically long, and one or two chapters at the end where everything turns into a spectacular clusterpluck and the one character you actually like gets eviscerated in the most annoying manner possible. They got entirely too predictable. I'd rather read the sword of truth series for the tenth or so time and I already KNOW that plotline and story.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 31, 2015 1:01 PM  

At this point I think Martin's plan A, is to die before he can complete the series.

Blogger Nate January 31, 2015 1:04 PM  

everything about Martin's career indicates that he is incapable of producing a satisfying conclusion to a story. Indeed it appears its a psychological issue. The man may well be capable of imagining what readers would want to see... but he's only able to do so in order to better figure out how to write something much worse that they will all hate.

The series ends only one way.

Badly.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 31, 2015 1:18 PM  

Martin now has two huge problems. The first; is that he has taken so long to finish this, that everyone has figured out what his plot line is going to be.

Second; as I've said before, Martin can not write a romance and he has to write one for Dany and Jon.

Blogger Ken January 31, 2015 2:08 PM  

Considering how bad he looks, I'm surprised to find out that Martin is only 66 years old. Regardless, I have every expectation that his heart will give out on him before he finishes the series.

If he does die beforehand, I'd hope that Sanderson would finish SoIaF, just like he finished the Wheel of Time. (Granted, Sanderson's best work is his own, but he seems to complete other people's series passably well)

Blogger John S January 31, 2015 2:51 PM  

Second; as I've said before, Martin can not write a romance and he has to write one for Dany and Jon. -

More incest, huh? That's what I figured too.

Anonymous Bz January 31, 2015 4:53 PM  

It seems clear Martin has no real idea how to proceed and would rather do anything but work on what he promised. That's what the 15 years of outtakes has been about, two turgid tomes we easily could have done without. I've heard some calls for him getting a coauthor to finish things up, Brandon Sanderson or someone like him, which wouldn't be a bad idea at this point.

On the bright side, I'm no longer looking forward to any sequel.

Anonymous Daniel January 31, 2015 8:31 PM  

The inherent cynicism in them, the constant sadism of his world was killing me.

I don't disagree. I can't read Abercrombie...because he writes like I think. Pure cynicism is unrealistic at heart - it is its own fantasy, and not even the comforting kind. But I happen to think that a cynical, sadistic resolution to Martin's epic is its best bet at this point, rather than where Martin is taking it - that is, lobotomized.

Only a cynic could wrench the water out of Dance with Dragons, and redirect the series to the epic downfall of a society, where evil triumphs, and the light goes out, and make it anywhere near readable. Martin lets the zombies always come back, because he lives in the twilight between nihilism and romanticism. It is a terrible place for a novel to get stuck. Just cut the cord and let Count Dracula win. That's what Abercrombie could do.

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