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Tuesday, January 13, 2015

Hail to the victors

Contra SEC loyalist Nate's assertion, they're chanting it now. B1G! B1G!

I'm not what you'd call a fan per se of THE Ohio State University, in fact, I think Michigan has better colors as well as the best uniforms and fight song in college football. But back in the day, when there were only two teams playing for the Big 10 title, I tended to favor Woody Hayes, Art Schlichter, and Archie Griffin over Bo Schembechler and the Maize-and-Blue. I have no idea why, but it still astonishes me that Griffin was not a star in the NFL. It didn't surprise me that Rashan Salaam failed in the pros; all he ever did at Colorado was take a pitchout, beat an undersized cornerback around the corner, and run 80 yards for a touchdown. But Griffin was the real deal in college. Was he simply too slow? I have no idea.

Anyhow, with Harbaugh back at Michigan, Meyer leading a resurgent Ohio State, and both Penn State and Nebraska rebuilding their programs, it should be interesting to see if a rivalry between the SEC and the Big 10 develops. It's enough to get this NFL fan paying a modicum of attention, anyhow.

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Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 13, 2015 8:15 AM  

Sports talk radio is absolutely wonderful today. : )
Look at that. I'm so giddy I just used an emoticon....here.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 13, 2015 8:22 AM  

In all seriousness, nobody saw this coming before December. Not even Urban Meyer. I have literally been watching OSU football since I was in diapers, and I've never seen a team improve this much over the course of a season. Third string QB as a force multiplier? Truth is stranger than fiction.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 8:30 AM  

12 Gauge is really good. So's Tom Herman.

Blogger Tank January 13, 2015 8:36 AM  

Is that OS running back the real deal, or what?

Please go to the Giants.

PS Is he too thin?

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 8:40 AM  

How exactly does one chant that?

"Bee One Gee! Except plus three! Wait! One More! Does Maryland score?"

Anonymous Will Best January 13, 2015 8:44 AM  

Is that OS running back the real deal, or what?

He is 19, so 2016 at the earliest.

Anonymous buckeye bob January 13, 2015 8:49 AM  

It even gets better, as far as the Dread Ilk are concerned. Cheddarman made a bet with Nate concerning the Alabama vs OSU game. They agreed that the representative of the loosing team would take a selfie wearing the victor's team hat. The photo would be posted on Nate's blog. Nate seems to have some big surprise in the works regarding the photo, as it has not been posted yet, though he is adamant that it will go up.

Anonymous mrl January 13, 2015 8:56 AM  

If the playoff system wasn't instituted these two teams would not have been in the top game. I thought the defense did an awesome job of shutting down their offense.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 13, 2015 9:01 AM  

First of all, U of M is a great school...if you love Feminists, Communists and Jesse Ventura! A man is known by the company he keeps after all.

Second; "Anyhow, with Harbaugh back at Michigan..." I've started hearing this one in my sleep. I'll believe it, when I see it. It takes time to rebuild a program and U of M is definitely a restoration project.

Third; look for MSU to continue to win the Great Divide for a while. Mark Dantonio can bring a team around like no one else can. Witness the Cotton Bowl this year. The Spartans were down by twenty going into the fourth. Up until that point Baylor had absolutely dominated the game. Any team is going to be feeling beaten when a Bigfoot dressed as a lineman an interception and more or less walks it across the line. But Dantonio managed to get the team to put it behind them, that is one of the hallmarks of a great coach. Michigan State (the only Michigan if you are an actual American,) overcame a twenty point lead to win it by one.


Blogger Nate January 13, 2015 9:06 AM  

there was a college football game last night?

I didn't notice.

So a team outside of the southeast has won a national title for the first time in.... what... 10 years?

Enjoy it.

It will likely be that long before it happens again.

Anonymous Drew_Deuce's January 13, 2015 9:07 AM  

SEC! SEC! SEC! - oh wait, I was channeling my inner-Josh.

All the talk of "SEC" speed and dominance is being replaced by the Ohio speed and dominance. Good call by Nike to put out shirts with "Undisputed" on it; no voting, no polls. The Buckeyes whooped Alabama and Oregon and college is football growing, and all the better for it.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 9:09 AM  

It takes time to rebuild a program and U of M is definitely a restoration project.

Do you remember what a chronic disaster Stanford had become?

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 9:10 AM  

Nate seems to have some big surprise

Oh no. He's gonna break out the blue nightie.

OpenID cailcorishev January 13, 2015 9:16 AM  

Third string QB as a force multiplier?

One of the best things about watching big-time sports is when something happens that makes it look like the guys getting paid millions to make critical decisions are actually just flipping coins.

Anonymous NateM January 13, 2015 9:22 AM  

So a team outside of the southeast has won a national title for the first time in.... what... 10 years?

Enjoy it.

It will likely be that long before it happens again.


So you think Bama will manage better than 3rd next year? Or maybe it's another teams turn to be good while half the league ascribes their superior status to that team being present.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 9:27 AM  

Harumph

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 9:37 AM  

Nate, you are losing sight of the math. Whether or not the SEC's recent place at the top has to do with dominance or bias (and it doesn't matter), the fact is that in the previous system, the conference was nearly guaranteed a slot in the title game every year, and thus a 50-50 shot at the title (obviously not 50-50 on the field, 50-50 on coinflip). Now the SEC has a 25% coinflip shot.

The odds for the SEC have gotten worse as long as it remains a 4 team playoff. I can see the league having a larger representation if the top 8 get in, but with a top 4, it is going to be rare for any league to get more than one rep.

On the other hand, if they do go on another streak like the last decade under the tourney system, the matter will be settled in favor of you.

Also, if Bama sticks with Sims next year (I don't even know what his or their plans are), there's no way they win the thing. He's not champion-level. He will only be more exposed as he goes on.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 9:39 AM  

Sims is a senior

Blogger CarpeOro January 13, 2015 9:42 AM  

Agreed it will be a long haul to rebuild for U of M. As a mostly disinterested third party Western Michigan grad (many friends from high school that are engineering grads from there, only a vet from State), I recall similar dark days for MSU. Like when they lost to a MAC team three years running. Badly (sadly not my alma marter but my wife's, Cetnral Michigan). Living in exile in northern Illinois I miss watching the occasional MSU or U of M game, and have no problem rooting for either against any other teams.

Regarding VD's affection for the coach of the nut team, perhaps it was because Woody Hays taught military history? If he had been a coach for any team in Michigan I would have been a huge fan.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2015 9:44 AM  

No way. I've been told that Ohio doesn't produce enough talent.

Anyway, we never needed the bowl alliance or BCS, the Rose Bowl had it right all along: Big 10 vs Pac 10.

But this playoff will be more fun if they put games in stadiums where the temps go below 40 degrees. SEC and FSU players have been known to shatter like glass under such conditions.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 9:46 AM  

Sims is a senior

In school? Holy smoke. For some reason I had it in my head that he was younger than that.

Or at least dumber than that.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 9:47 AM  

No way. I've been told that Ohio doesn't produce enough talent.

It's one of two states up north along with Pennsylvania that produces a lot of division one talent.

However, look at where Meyer's recruited.

Anonymous RS January 13, 2015 9:48 AM  

The Michigan fight song is not even in the top three.

Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech is the best by far, Rocky Top and Dixie can fight for a distant second.

Blogger CarpeOro January 13, 2015 9:48 AM  

Never mind, can't find any reference to teaching military history. Did find a WW2 service for him though, not surprising considering his generation.

Anonymous RedJack January 13, 2015 9:48 AM  

I am not sure Nebraska will be in the hunt for a bit. There was a lot of toxic stuff in the locker room, and that takes time to flush out. When you have Nebraska alumni in the NFL saying "I don't want my son playing for Bo", it takes more than a coaching change to shift.

Still, all I want is to beat Wisconsin next year.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 9:49 AM  

In school? Holy smoke. For some reason I had it in my head that he was younger than that.

Or at least dumber than that.


He's like a fifth or sixth year senior.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 10:04 AM  

He's like a fifth or sixth year senior.

That's good. No chance of him going to grad school to continue his career. I really didn't have any fun watching them play this year, and he was a big reason. He processed defenses slower than a government contract.

Anonymous mrl January 13, 2015 10:05 AM  

CarpeOro, wikipedia says that Woody Hayes was an amateur historian.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 10:06 AM  

Can't believe how many times the Buckeyes gave up the ball, nor how many drops the Ducks had, esp. early. I had OSU scoring about 45, but not Oregon being held to 20.

Anonymous Will Best January 13, 2015 10:06 AM  

If the playoff system wasn't instituted these two teams would not have been in the top game. I thought the defense did an awesome job of shutting down their offense.

Sure they would, and it would have been called the Rose Bowl.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2015 10:07 AM  

However, look at where Meyer's recruited.

Yeah? I counted about 57% from Ohio. GA was probably second most, at least from my cursory scan. But a number of others from NJ, IL, MI, MA and NY. Kind of cruel since he obviously pretty much drained all DI talent from NY and MA.

I think it's kinda funny that he got Elliot from St Louis, while Missouri picked up Mauk from Kenton.

Win-win?

Blogger Brad Andrews January 13, 2015 10:21 AM  

Sure they would, and it would have been called the Rose Bowl.

And Nate probably would have declared Alabama the national champion....

Blogger Brad Andrews January 13, 2015 10:22 AM  

I am not impressed with the Michigan fight song, but then I only know pretty raunchy words since I grew up in Columbus, Ohio!

Blogger Subversive Saint January 13, 2015 10:26 AM  

War Eagle

Anonymous Porky January 13, 2015 10:27 AM  

Well, at least Jones will now get his wish and not have to go to classes anymore.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 10:28 AM  

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/1/13/7537035/ohio-state-oregon-national-championship-game-tv-ratings

Monday night's national title game between Ohio State and Oregon pulled in an 18.5 overnight TV rating, the highest in ESPN history, the network announced in a release. It's a 21 percent increase over last year's game between Florida State and Auburn, the last ever BCS National Championship Game, which drew 15.3. ESPN's previous highest rating was the 2011 BCS National Championship Game between Auburn and Oregon, drawing a 16.1 rating.

Blogger JartStar January 13, 2015 10:36 AM  

This was vindication for the playoff system as the 4th team won the whole thing, and as Josh pointed out it was a ratings success and is here to stay.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2015 10:41 AM  

And Nate probably would have declared Alabama the national champion....

Along with the Tuscaloosa Bank. That's how 'Bama "won" all their MNCs.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2015 10:42 AM  

This was vindication for the playoff system as the 4th team won the whole thing

It's not that ZSU didn't belong...it's that TCU belonged as much as anyone else.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 13, 2015 10:48 AM  

First of all, U of M is a great school...if you love Feminists, Communists and Jesse Ventura!

So, a fairly average college then?

One of the best things about watching big-time sports is when something happens that makes it look like the guys getting paid millions to make critical decisions are actually just flipping coins.

And it's even better (or worse, depending on if it's your team or not) when they refuse to admit when the coin comes up tails and stick with their starter even when the backup is clearly outclassing him.

Anonymous Banjo January 13, 2015 10:58 AM  

And RS is correct. Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech has all you want from a college fight song. Cursing, drinking, cheering, whiskey, and to hell with your rival (literally).

Plus, John Wayne whistles the tune in The High and the Mighty

THWG

Blogger buzzardist January 13, 2015 11:04 AM  

No mention of Michigan State or Wisconsin in the B1G rebound, even though they've been at least the second and third strongest teams in the B1G over the last several years (including this year), if not the top two teams during a lot of those years?

That's disrespect.

Granted, Ohio State, by about mid-season, was outclassing the rest of the league, and the smackdown of Wisconsin in the title game should have given the other playoff teams fair warning of what Ohio State could do. But, let's be real, Michigan and Penn State have a long way to go before they'll be competitive with Michigan State or Wisconsin, let alone with Urban Meyer's new juggernaut.

Anonymous Red January 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

But is he still wearing the makeup?

Anonymous kalel666 January 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

Wow, another WMU grad here? I'll always be a Bronco, although I grew up in a household where 3 of the 6 members are U of M grads. As a kid on the South Shore of Boston, I was always told to flush twice, as it was a long way to East Lansing. Go Blue!

Anonymous WaterBoy January 13, 2015 11:33 AM  

DrTorch: "It's not that ZSU didn't belong...it's that TCU belonged as much as anyone else."

I was at a friend's house for a birthday party last night and watched the game there. As OSU stood on the field victorius at the end of the game, they still insisted that TCU belonged there over OSU.

The cognitive dissonance was astounding.

RS: "The Michigan fight song is not even in the top three."

From Wikipedia:

"The Victors" is the fight song of the University of Michigan (UM). It was composed by UM student Louis Elbel in 1898 following the last-minute victory over the University of Chicago that clinched a football league championship.[1] John Philip Sousa is said to have called The Victors, "the greatest college fight song ever written"."

You versus Sousa. No contest.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 January 13, 2015 11:36 AM  

Three things --
1) The best team won. There is simply no argument on that score. They beat the top two teams in the country 12 days apart, and did so in convincing fashion.

2) Va Tech is clearly the #1 team in the NCAA now.

3) TCU would have beaten any of the four seeded playoff teams.

Anonymous Porky January 13, 2015 11:37 AM  

Most unfortunate name for a college fight song:

"Blow Canes" - University of Miami.

Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 12:05 PM  

1. The only thing better than this playoff would be making the southern schools play in the upper midwest in December and January.

2. There's no speed gap by region at the Combine.

3. Even mediocre Iowa has a winning record against the SEC since 2000.

4. Even mediocre Iowa has more NFL players than A&M, Auburn, Missouri, Arkansas ...

5. 6% of college DI coaches polled said OSU's could beat even Alabama. They, and the SEC shills at ESPN, won't make that mistake again. But the groupthink here is astonishing; the team OSU beat 59-0, with their 3rd string QB playing in his second game, beat Auburn.

6. Harbaugh's a psycho and will bring ManBall back to Michigan. If they can find a QB and coach up the Oline they'll be tough next fall. If they can't, year 2. Michigan's been recruiting extremely well under Hoke. They are rich in talent, aside from just being rich. Dantonio, over the past five years, has field a better defense than Saban. Kill is doing what he has done at every stop: building the most physical team in the conference. Elliott was the only #3 back in the league this year. PSU has a lock on the best talent in the most populous part of the country.

7. Football is still a game played at the line of scrimmage by big strong men, and this will never change.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 12:17 PM  

PSU has a lock on the best talent in the most populous part of the country.

You mean LSU.

Anonymous cheddarman January 13, 2015 12:31 PM  

"CarpeOro, wikipedia says that Woody Hayes was an amateur historian." - mrl

hate him or love him, Woody Hays was a warrior.

Blogger J Curtis January 13, 2015 1:00 PM  

Anyhow, with Harbaugh back at Michigan, Meyer leading a resurgent Ohio State, and both Penn State and Nebraska rebuilding their programs, it should be interesting to see if a rivalry between the SEC and the Big 10 develops

Don't forget Michigan State. Their only two losses this year were to A. Ohio State and B. Oregon. Things are going to get REALLY interesting in the Big 10 East over the next few years. We're living in good times. pal.

Blogger JDC January 13, 2015 1:13 PM  

I watched the entire game last night and am proud of the Big 10, however will note that the victory is to OSU, not the big ten (although the Big 10 received 54 million for it's conference participation in bowls). Michigan will be a top 10 program in two years, and as long as Harbaugh stays, will be in the top 20.

SEC fans should not weep in their moonshine for too long (although I will move Nate's goal posts for him and state):

So a team outside the SEC has won a national championship for the past two years.

A simple ranking of the top 25 teams shows that the SEC is still on top:
SEC 79 pts
Pac12 72
Big 10 58
ACC 52
Big 12 50

It seems the disparity is getting smaller, and the big prize goes to the Pac 12 for their strong showing, but let us Mid-westerners bask in the warm glow of an undisputed Big 10 national championship, torn from the best the SEC and Pac 12 had to offer.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 13, 2015 1:24 PM  

@cheddarman You'll probably enjoy this true Woody Hayes story. It's from "Buckeye Madness" by Joe Menzer. The author sets it up by talking about a series of recruiting violations by Michigan State, which stuck in Woddy's craw.

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All of this was swirling in the background when the teams met on November 9, 1974, in East Lansing. Hayes was determined to have his boys take care of business and stay on track for what he believed would be a solid run at another national championship.

The game, however, did not go according to Woody's plan. As time ran down, the Buckeyes trailed 16-13 but were driving toward what they thought was going to be a game-winning touchdown. With just over 20 seconds remaining, they ran a play that got them down near the Michigan State goal line.

"I recall that play vividly to this day," (Archie) Griffin said. "We had twenty-some seconds left and we had run a play. And our center couldn't get up because the Michigan State players wouldn't get off him. I couldn't blame them. They were trying to stall the game by lying on our center, so he couldn't get up and get off the next snap.

What happened next, though, was hard for Griffin or Hayes or any of the Buckeye faithful to imagine.

"We thought the officials would call delay of game or at least stop the clock - because we didn't have any timeouts left," Griffin said. "And so we tried to run a play, and we thought we got the play off. There was a fumble on the play and Brian Baschnagel picked the ball up for us and ran into the end zone.

"The referee called a touchdown, we thought we had won the football game, and we went to the locker room."

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 13, 2015 1:25 PM  

Part Deux

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Some time passed - Griffin thought it was forty-five minutes, others thought a little less - but eventually Bit Ten commissioner Wayne Duke appeared at the visitors locker room door and asked to speak with Hayes.

"You didn't get they play off, Woody. The clock had expired. Michigan State won the game," Duke told the incredulous Hayes.

Hayes couldn't believe what he was hearing. He immediately exploded.

"We did not lose this goddamn football game! You're taking it from us! We did not lose!" Hayes shouted.

Duke left before it could get any worse, but Hayes continued to rant and rave, swearing and cursing the very existence of Michigan State University.

"Goddammit, I'm tired of these goddamn cheaters! They cheated me before in recruiting and now they've cheated me again!" he shouted to his players. "I'm tired of this cheating. Goddammit, we're going to go into their locker room and have a fight! I'm tired of this cheating! We're going to kick their asses - right now!"

As fate would have it, only a narrow hallway separated the two locker rooms. A riot was about to take place - one that surely would have cost even Woody Hayes his job. Defensive tackle Nick Buonamici, one of the true characters in Ohio State football history, stood at the locker room door ready to burst across the hallway for his coach.

"You're right, Coach! Let's go get 'em! Let's kick their asses!" cried Buonamici.

(Mark) Lang and some of the other bigger offensive and defensive players pushed up from behind, ready to go. Hayes was at the front of the mob and flung open the door, fully intending to rush across the hallway and burst into the Michigan State locker room to physically vent his hatred on this underhanded foe.

As the door opened, Hayes cast his eyes on a longtime Michigan State employee.

"The guy had been so excited about the upset win that he was running around screaming," Lang recalled. "And right as Woody opened the door for us to come out, the guy winds up having a heart attack. He grasped at this chest, collapses - and people were all around him trying to do something. Woody sees it and shuts the door."

Then Hayes turned to his agitated players.

"Guys, we're going home," he told them quietly.

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We've all seen teams get into scraps before games, during games and immediately after games. But 45 minutes after a game? In the locker room? And it took someone having a heart attack at the exact point in time when Woody Hayes opened the door to prevent it from happening? I realize it was the 70's and all, but... damn.

Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 1:30 PM  

JDC, the poll summary, imo, is both valid and invalid. Because of the intersectional postseason games (the Big Ten was not favored in *any* of its bowl games) and the dogpile ridiculing the Big Ten through November, popular (read: sportswriters and coaches who vote in the two polls) perception disfavored the "old, tired, slow" league -- until matters were settled on the field. So a partisan can say "Sure, you all are better cuz everyone told us you were. But ... scoreboard."

No question that the SEC and Pac12 have better recruiting grounds across the board. And across the board, top to bottom, I believe the SEC is stronger talentless; the NFL numbers make that plain. Can we imagine Indiana or Purdue attempt to compete in the SEC? Northwestern might play up to Vanderbilt's level, but maybe not.

However, the top half of the Big Ten has no problem recruiting, league coaching is significantly improved over three years ago, and now the SEC is going to have to address its problems with Big Ten physicality. I'm ready for some more football.

Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 1:30 PM  

"talentwise"

Anonymous patrick kelly January 13, 2015 1:31 PM  

I was rooting, for Oregon, but OSU was so consistently awesome between the tackles, and when they weren't, the RBs and #12 beat em' outside for 1st downs or more. Oregon beats any other team with 4 turn overs. Without them I think OSU would have won by 4 TD's or more.

As for TCU beating all of the top 4, I doubt it.

They might beat Oregon in a shoot out, FSU self destructing, or 'Bama losing their way, but both OSU front lines would have whipped out a can of medieval shock'n'awe on their lil' horned behinds.....and I'm in Texas......BIG 12 not looking great any time soon......TCU and Baylor have peaked for a few years IMAO.........

Blogger CarpeOro January 13, 2015 1:39 PM  

Ahh, found down under the section about all the major controversies from his actions:

Before and after the dismissal incident, Hayes was a professor of Military History at Ohio State. His office, however, was in the ROTC building, Converse Hall, across the street from Ohio Stadium. For the remainder of his years at OSU, he continued to teach and mentor students.

Blogger CarpeOro January 13, 2015 1:44 PM  

" And across the board, top to bottom, I believe the SEC is stronger talentwise; the NFL numbers make that plain."

YMMV. It hasn't been that long since U of M had 6 QBs starting in the NFL at the same time. May be awhile until it happens again, but there is a pretty go representation in the NFL of Big 10 players in general.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2015 1:54 PM  

TCU would have beaten any of the four seeded playoff teams.

I personally believe this to be true. Not only would they have fireballed OSU on offense, but they wouldn't have ceded the middle of the line to them. Nevertheless, it is infinitely better and more fun to have four of five great teams in rather than two.

Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 2:17 PM  

CarpePro, 4 of the top 10 feeder schools to the NFL are SEC; 2 are ACC, 2 are Pac12. OSU is the only school in the top 10. So numbers are not YMMV, numbers are numbers.

Michigan trails Rutgers, Iowa (no surprise), Wisconsin, and MSU in supplying NFL rosters. (This will change now that Harbaugh is in town.) There is more talent in the south and west, but it appeared this year that that talent was undercoached, underschemed, and underprepared in the weight room. And it appears to me that this is not anecdotal, as the turnover in recent Big Ten coaching hires has sharply elevated overall league competitiveness.

One doesn't need to recruit more than 18-20 guys a year, so the demographic and geographic constraints held by the Big Ten schools don't matter, if a team is properly led and constructed.

I'm a Big Ten bigot, having grown up in a Big Ten town and playing my college ball in Ohio, which was an amazing football culture. Just amazing, to someone from a small rural state. That said, I don't think this year's results were outliers. We were stronger, tougher, and just as fast in the big games.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/number-of-nfl-players-by-college/2014/

Anonymous GreyS January 13, 2015 2:51 PM  

there was a college football game last night?

I didn't notice.

So a team outside of the southeast has won a national title for the first time in.... what... 10 years?

Enjoy it.

It will likely be that long before it happens again.


Sure sure.. You must also have not noticed that the Popularity Contest/Circular Reasoning College Championship format has been changed.

The supposedly dominant conference got pretty much smoked this post-season-- bad timing with the playoff system finally being put into place.

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 13, 2015 3:05 PM  

I know this is pissing in the wind, but the passing game takes a lot more practice than the running game. Today the running game doesn't get much practice time and it shows. Vince Lombarbi in his glory years with the Packers, a running offense if ever there was one, complained that they passed 20% of the time and yet 60 percent of offensive practices were devoted to get that 20% right. I read this past summer that Urban Myer insists they spend half of practices on the running game. It showed last night. One of the things I hate about the NFL is their inability to put up a good running attack. It's all based on working off the pass and if the pass fails (which is mostly a QB problem) in the NFL you're done. The running attacks are sophisticated but sloppy. Most NFL running attacks lack execution and I'm sure King Peyton prefers it that way. But last night we saw a Clinic in the running games of old. Execution was beautiful and they just beat the holy shit out of the Duck Defense, kept their offense off the field and generally changed the entire passing culture that Oregon functions under. Their offense is designed to get you into a passing shootout with their extremely fast (fastest?) Defense limiting opponents passing attack. The team speed of Oregon's defense didn't matter last night. Ohio gave a clinic on the virtues of the running game. I want to see that game again.

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Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 3:15 PM  

Tom Herman, whom Meyer hired out of Iowa State as his OC, made one crucial decision that he got Meyer to support:

He converted Meyer's Power blocking scheme to zone. They run zone, and a 1960's sweep as the constraint. And OSU will never want for backs or big dudes on the line. We'll see who in the SEC copies that next year.

Anonymous ARoss January 13, 2015 3:19 PM  

I'm a Pitt fan myself, though the only conference I have a dislike for is the Little(Big) 12 conference. Their fans and coaches constant whining and the fact they seem to only produce safeties, runningbacks and not much else.

Blogger Bobby Dupea January 13, 2015 3:19 PM  

On the passing v. running mix, the over-under for an effective passing game is usually 7 ypp. If you can run the ball for YPC or more, trouble city.

Anonymous Tom B January 13, 2015 3:24 PM  

And you leave the Tiger Rag out?!? That's blasphemy!

Anonymous Big Brother January 13, 2015 3:29 PM  

Love seeing the Sparty up their turning blue in the face, "but, but, but..." - Michigan State has been good the past few years - better than Michigan, to be sure. But alas, the hiring of Harbaugh means that Sparty may dream of a few decades of dominance in the rivalry, like that which was had over them, but it isn't to be. It just isn't.

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 3:37 PM  

generally changed the entire passing culture that Oregon functions under. Their offense is designed to get you into a passing shootout with their extremely fast (fastest?) Defense limiting opponents passing attack.

Oregon is not a passing team. They're an option running team.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 13, 2015 4:01 PM  

I kept looking for a Futball game on last nite, and all I found was a bunch of blubber in tights.
I am in OHIO, and in Columbus the Policia tear gassed the students for whatever.....jeeesh.
The BUCKWHEATS had unlimited practice time prior to the game, the Ducks 20 hours, that is some fine example of 'fair play'.
The so-called playoff is a sham.
Last year UCONN was ranked #21 and UK not ranked in the top 25, both made the finals, UCONN won the National Championship in Men's Basketball a real playoff.
I am sick to death of the refs and call reversals and endless reviews. This was the only college football game I watched this year and it sucked, boring, muffed plays, third graders can catch a ball in the open field and not drop the ball throwing it, this sport is doomed. I agree with Vox on a good many things, but may I suggest you get a separate blog, similar to Alpha Game, so those of us interested in matters of import no longer have to suffer the complete waste of time and mediocrity of this so-called 'sport'.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 13, 2015 4:09 PM  

Gotta love the people who take the time to whine about wastes of time.

So instead of just simply skipping over the football posts, your ideal solution is for Vox to change how he writes about it -- on his own blog -- to suit your personal whims?

My, that's some ego you've got there.

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 13, 2015 4:11 PM  

Once in a while David slays Goliath. Don't assume that this is the normal state of things just because it is current. Ask any fan in the south and they will and Georgia were just decent. Heck a few weeks ago the doormats in Mississippi were 1 and 3 remember?

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 13, 2015 4:14 PM  

And this phone posting stinks it cut everything off . Summary is that Meyer and Harbaugh will reestablish a nice regional rivalry and often seND a playoff team between them. However as a betting man if you gave me even odds on the sec winning 6 of the next ten I would take it in a heartbeat especially considering the very real possibility of the sec getting two teams in the playoffs some years

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 13, 2015 4:16 PM  

The original post stated that sec fans would grant that the conference was having a putrid year as indicated by Bama lsu as well as doormats in Mississippi being on top for a while

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 4:20 PM  

I agree with Vox on a good many things, but may I suggest you get a separate blog, similar to Alpha Game, so those of us interested in matters of import no longer have to suffer the complete waste of time and mediocrity of this so-called 'sport'.

It's not like anyone is forcing you to read this post.

Your attitude matches that of the SJW demanding a safe space from cisgender fascism.

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 January 13, 2015 4:34 PM  

I kept looking for a Futball game on last nite, and all I found was a bunch of blubber in tights

I hope you didn't waste too much scratch paper trying to come up with that gem...

Blogger Sean January 13, 2015 4:39 PM  

Some of the SEC's run was bogus anyway. Colt McCoy getting hurt, Replaying Alabama-LSU, Alabama getting to play a crappy Notre Dame team. It's all cyclical. Remember an undefeated Auburn getting left out because 10 years ago, the SEC was no big deal. The playoff will bring the SEC down to earth. The Big Ten is on the rise, and the PAC 12 is assuming a place of power in the Power 5.

It's wishful thinking on Nate's part that the SEC will remain unstoppable forever, but their run is fairly recent and I doubt that it stays. Alabama will continue to be good, I can see LSU having a run every few years, Richt will cause Georgia to choke away a playoff chance, and the rest of the SEC will remain MEH. Especially if they continue to run away from tough non-conference games.

Blogger JDC January 13, 2015 4:45 PM  

I kept looking for a Futball game on last nite

May I suggest perusing ESPN Deportes next time.

third graders can catch a ball in the open field and not drop the ball throwing it

Did you think you were watching Australian rules football? Good grief man, I think you are suffering from Sporting Dysphoria. The Wildcats play Missouri this evening, perhaps this will help (that and a good scotch - don't drink bourbon or whiskey, that will just make you more confused).

Blogger JDC January 13, 2015 4:51 PM  

As a conference the SEC has nothing to worry about (with the notable exception of course of being shut out of the national championship this year). I wanted to make sure to highlight that bit again, in case anyone forgot.

They have powerhouse teams that missed the top 25 who will undoubtedly be back in the upcoming years. Florida, LSU, SC, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee...any conference would kill to have these teams in their conference (or kill to prevent them from destroying one's conference).

Anonymous VD January 13, 2015 5:11 PM  

I agree with Vox on a good many things, but may I suggest you get a separate blog, similar to Alpha Game, so those of us interested in matters of import no longer have to suffer the complete waste of time and mediocrity of this so-called 'sport'.

You can certainly suggest, but I can tell you right now that I'm going to ignore the suggestion.

Blogger WATYF January 13, 2015 5:23 PM  

Is this thread about soccer? Because there weren't any NFL games on last night. I'm so confused. :Op

WATYF

Blogger Josh January 13, 2015 5:26 PM  

You can certainly suggest, but I can tell you right now that I'm going to ignore the suggestion.

I suggest a suggestion thread

Anonymous bw January 13, 2015 6:24 PM  

complete waste of time and mediocrity of this so-called 'sport'.

You might as well admit you suck at physical activities, and therefore, by definition, they are irrelevant and don't matter.
This clown probably believes Politics and her bank is real Competition.
Notice the victim mentality that she is forced to endure something that she could simply ignore completely, of her own accord, while continuing to play parasite and dependent on someone else's internet blog and creation/thoughts.

Anonymous bw January 13, 2015 7:01 PM  

Third string QB as a force multiplier?
It's called bringing in the proper players that fit your scheme.

Is that OS running back the real deal, or what? Please go to the Giants.
PS Is he too thin?

No. Yes. Yes.

I thought the defense did an awesome job of shutting down their offense

That's what happens when you get punched in the mouth. Mariotta has been a joke all along. He doesn't even call his own protections and hardly ever audibles. It's schematic. Not a pocket passer or decision maker. He's a runner. We see how that works at next level. He thought he was hit and pressured last night? Shit.

Or maybe it's another teams turn to be good while half the league ascribes their superior status to that team being present. Nate

Quite reasonable and objective. Don't forget the fanatics of said vastly overrated conference-as-a-whole-east-and-west. Finebaum was actually pimping a 5 loss Arkansas at one time, as was E$PN/ABC/Disney Corp. And of course Phil Knight has absolutely nothing to do with the bs love for OU sissy ass football and the PAC 12. Americans still don't get it.

Monday night's national title game between Ohio State and Oregon pulled in an 18.5 overnight TV rating, the highest in ESPN history, Josh

It's like those who continue to talk about economy and banking and politics and society without understanding the basis of the reasons for said things.
Presumption rules.
In reality, Disney Corp is saying Cha-Ching. That was the point from the beginning. Look at the stats from semi's as well. It's a business model. They win. Big Time. They couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks about it. The consumers are consuming like never before. Bernays would be proud.

I had OSU scoring about 45, but not Oregon being held to 20.

That's what happens when you get punched in the mouth and aren't allowed to get off the ball freely and pressure the running QB. OSU should have score 60 sans the TO's. You're looking at the wrong side of the ball, just as E$PN ignores and would have you do. How can OU score when they aren't on the field and can't get off it on D? Did you happen to notice OU linebackers' size? F'in joke.

Anyway, we never needed the bowl alliance or BCS, the Rose Bowl had it right all along: Big 10 vs Pac 10.
But this playoff will be more fun if they put games in stadiums where the temps go below 40 degrees. SEC and FSU players have been known to shatter like glass under such conditions.


That PAC 10 looked awesome last night for sure. Most overrrated conference in history. When was their last NC again? Where's cheating ass Pete "I'm outa here" Carroll when you need him?? The other "good" teams in Big 10 look awesome too: Wisconsin? Mich St? Suck ass conference. One NC every 14 years about right for them.

Subversive Saint January 13, 2015 10:26 AM

War Eagle


Ok, I give it to you. That took some real balls...or delusion. Nice Defense, Gus!























Anonymous bw January 13, 2015 7:19 PM  

TCU belonged as much as anyone else.

Take a look at your own conference playoff. Or lack thereof. They're the only idiots that don't have one and they got left out. It's not that difficult to understand. It's the gamma attempt at style over competition. Jimbo Fisher told 'em and Briles told him to mind his own business. Not so much, Art, you dumbass.

A simple ranking of the top 25 teams shows that the SEC is still on top

Fascinating. Where did those teams start in the presumption rankings? LIterally. Where did they "get to" start in the rankings.
Hey look MIss St! GaTech just scored again! The truth is the opposite of what the pimps push: SEC is benefitted from playing each, say, the ACC.
In the end, screw conferences. WHO IS YOUR TEAM AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE LATELY? NO COATTAILS ALLOWED.

the sec winning 6 of the next ten I would take it

Better start playing Defense again, the reason they one the one's they did. The best team in SEC gave up over 80 pts in their last two games. Ole Miss and Miss St looked mighty on D as well in their bowl games outside the SEC.
And Clemson of ACC made mighty OU in the Big12 look like girls. The "Conference" strength argument is false from its foundation, since they only play each other and few play any real games outside of it, and those are . See : Ohio State vs sorrrrry ass VaTech.




Anonymous bw January 13, 2015 7:21 PM  

*SEC is benefitted from playing each other just like the argument they make against, say, the ACC.

Anonymous bw January 13, 2015 7:31 PM  

Once in a while David slays Goliath. Don't assume that this is the normal state of things just because it is current. Ask any fan in the south and they will and Georgia were just decent. Heck a few weeks ago the doormats in Mississippi were 1 and 3 remember?

It's called Propaganda and an Agenda and $$$$ in the form of Television contracts and Nike $$$. There is also a social agenda. Any questions?

You see E$pn telling you everyday how WRONG THEY WERE about the SEC West, right?? Every day. All the time. Like they weredoing when they were pushing it.
It's akin to Weather Channel and Accuweather and NASA apologies for pimping Global Warming. Oh, wait...

Hey Miss St, Ga Tech just scored again!!!!

Anonymous Famous bw January 13, 2015 7:35 PM  

Oregon is not a passing team. They're an option running team.

This better describes Gus and Auburn than a more balanced Ducks.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 13, 2015 7:40 PM  

Appreciate the responses, will reply as time allows later.
My wife is calling me to dinner, she is a great Italian cook and I don't want to miss out, a glass or two of Cognac, the Syracuse/Wake Forest game and then a long winter nap after a little bit of honey ;)

Blogger Nate January 13, 2015 8:18 PM  

bw...

you're talking out your ass. Its not like the SEC was beating up on itself for all those national titles. Yes... one year it was sec on sec. Every other year... it was an SEC absolutely trouncing the next best school from the other conferences. See Undefeated Notre Dame for details.

Those titles were on the field against the best the rest of the nation had to offer.

you say the year it was Alabama vs LSU bama shouldn't have been there? Who should've? Who do you think would've beaten LSU? Who by the way... was the undefeated number 1 team in the nation with a big non conference win under its belt.

Don't worry sugartits... you get to dance for a few months.

and while you're dancing... Saban just brought the best class he's ever recruited... including 2 five star qbs... to go with the 5star he redshirted last year... and 3 of the top 5 5 star CBs.

In other words... Bama will be back in the playoffs again next year.

We'll see how ya do when Bama actually has a QB.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 13, 2015 8:26 PM  

Given the tone of some of the comments in this one...I give you Mean Tweets: CFP Edition

Anonymous Phil Ossifer January 13, 2015 10:07 PM  

FWIW, Archie Griffin was drafted by the Bengals right as their OC, Bill Walsh, was forming the "West Coast" offense to utilize Ken Anderson's short passing ability. Not much need for 3 yards and a cloud of dust when Anderson could just find Isaac Curtis.

Blogger James Dixon January 14, 2015 2:27 AM  

> They're the only idiots that don't have one and they got left out.

NCAA rules say you have to have twelve teams to have a conference championship game. The ACC already tried getting that changed and couldn't do so. I guess the Big 12 could always see if Clemson, Florida State, VA Tech, and Louisville wanted to change conferences.

Anonymous hoosiertoo January 14, 2015 10:25 AM  

"Can we imagine Indiana or (shit school from West Lafayette, Indiana) attempt to compete in the SEC?"

And Missouri says...

Heh.

Hey, we don't get to say. "Scoreboard!" very often. Indulge me.

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 12:23 PM  

NCAA rules say you have to have twelve teams to have a conference championship game.

The rules could be changed or you could get two more. Easily fixable if they desired to, which they did not. For obvious reasons.

And Missouri says...
Heh


Indeed. 2/3 East champs first 3 years in the mighty SEC. How many Big12 Titles did they win again??

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 12:59 PM  

Its not like the SEC was beating up on itself for all those national titles

My emphasis was on the Last Two years of bullshit propaganda. That should be obvous if you can comprehend what you're reading, honey.

In that reading, you could have read the formula that allowed for that run: Defense.
Bama gave upover 80 pts in its last two games. They lost to an average OleMiss team and went to OT with LSU who just got their ass kicked out of conference.
The SEC was nothing like it was claimed to be over the last 2 years. Not surprising that you can't understand what someone else is saying.
That OU bowl game out of conference was a beauty too.
Keep making your pussy ass excuses concerning the last two years.
And Alabama doesn't have any better QBs coming in than FSU. You weren't even up on Coker, who couldn't beat out anyone at FSU or Alabama.
Maybe you need Vince Young or S Garcia, eh?
Why would a QB go to Alabama and play for Nick Saban?
SEC QB's suck. Not one QB worth mentioning in the SEC. Always the case. Game managers at most. Where are those NC Bama QB's now? Game managers whose success is based on the run game and Defense.
That's what I thought. But Ken Stabler!!

I know "talking out your ass" is a staple of your pedantic ad hominems. Do try to address some of the subject matter.
Who the fuck couldn't be "in the playoff" in the SEC of this past year? Especially the East, where Tennessee plays. Oh wait, you switched your loyalty to another team.
Fucking bandwagoner. YOu're just like my UF friends: SEC SEC SEC Nick Saban!
Who is YOUR team Nate? How long have they been YOUR team? Did you go to colllege? Where did you go?

OOC in the most recent bowls: LSU, Ole Miss, MissSt, and Bama lose.
Spin that however you must.

You can't play me, boy. You're not objective or consistent enough and don't have enough information on the subject you insist on commenting on.
The SEC run is over because they no longer play the best Defense in the country. Leave it to a dumbass who doesn't have a clue what he's watching to keep talking about "Quarterbacks". What Defensive position is that exactly?

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

What was the Ohio State game plan to stop Mariotta, the reigning Heisman trophy winner?
How many yards did he run for? Why keep the "best QB in the country" in the pocket and make him stand there and throw the football down the field? Think about that long and hard. And then when he gets behind, bring it at him. OSU knew he couldn't beat them from the pocket. And with that sorry ass Oregon Defense (one of the worst ever to play in Champ game), simply control the ball and keep him off the field.
Nothing funnier than killing your own defense by running a hurry up offense that fails on 3-5 plays in under a minute. Real good for your Defense. Auburn and Gus, anyone?

Running a QB can win big in a "hurry up system" in college. But not when the defense that is good enough sets the edge, controls the line of scrimmage and doesn't let the WR run unmolested? Then what? You now see "what". It happens literally every year: the way fast break Offenses are beaten is ball control and a defense that busts them in the mouth. Physicality up front on both sides dictates the whole deal.
NFL for one who doesn't call protections or sets or audibles and can't take a snap from under center or anticipate throws at the college level? Good luck. It's over before it begins at the nest level.

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 6:37 PM  

Nate....Where you at????

Yeah

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 6:39 PM  

and Tony Blair's wife IS DEFINITELY NOT A BOOTH....


Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 16, 2015 12:39 PM  

After some thought and reflection, first I apologize for going off topic on this tread, it was a football thread, and was perhaps a bit inconsiderate to those who are fooball enthusiasts. I am not, but in the future will keep that to myself.
@WaterBoy: You are quite right I do have some ego. I am a surgeon and played Div. I Soccer on scholarship, those activities tends to draw my type, but in the future I will keep my American football critiques to my self unless that is the subject of the thread.
@Josh "It's not like anyone is forcing you to read this post. Your attitude matches that of the SJW demanding a safe space from cisgender fascism." You are correct regarding your first statement, and I will be taking your advice, thank you. Frankly, I just don't care for American football, and must admit I was sucked into watching the game because I live in Ohio and was inundated by the "Hype", will try not to let that happen again. I am not a SJW, on that assumption you are incorrect.
@ Huckleberry "I hope you didn't waste too much scratch paper trying to come up with that gem..." Nope, completely off the top of my head, but it was a bit rude and not really accurate, so apologies to those who are football enthusiasts, I am not, and can do better.
@ JDC "May I suggest perusing ESPN Deportes next time." Thank you, I found it on my ROKU, had not heard "Good grief man, I think you are suffering from Sporting Dysphoria.... (that and a good scotch)" You may be right, both the high school(NY) and college(FL) I attended did not have American Football, we had Futball, I played Futball, but never the other except in college I was the punter for my fraternity flag football team, so I really do not get it. I prefer Cognac, occasionally, and yes it did help ;)
@VD "You can certainly suggest, but I can tell you right now that I'm going to ignore the suggestion." Well, at least you took it as a consideration. I will refrain from American Football threads, not my thing, and would encourage a fellow Futballer to touch on "The beautiful game" from time to time, and would be happy to contribute and try to stay on topic. I do appreciate your blog, in fact it has become my favorite, you have changed my thinking on a number of things, and am grateful to you. The two that come to mind are marriage and religion. I was a MGTOW after my painful divorce and flirted with atheism. I am now married again, just over one year, I married my high school sweet heart, she is Northern Italian, a wonderful cook, and a very passionate woman. I also have returned to my Church and re-accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, and am grateful to you and your influence, what you do here does matter and does affect peoples lives, in my case for the better.
@ bw. Your assumptions are completely wrong, but that is OK, I forgive you.

BTW: Syracuse won a great game in OT, the Cognac was great, home made spaghetti was wonderful, and my honey is just sugar, sugar to me ;) :)

Cheers !!!!

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