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Thursday, January 22, 2015

How convenient

You know, I think we might have the chance to roll this one out one of these days....

"That said, if you tell people my books are awful but have in fact never read them, you might suck as a human being."
- John Scalzi, 22 January, 2015

It could come in handy, don't you know? That being said, I've read three of McRapey's books and I didn't think they were awful, with the exception of The Android's Dream. They were mediocre, derivative, and monocharacteristic (which is to say that the characters all tend to speak with the same snarky voice), but they're not, on average, awful.

They're not good either, of course. I didn't stop reading Scalzi's books due to the author, but due to the books themselves. They simply weren't of any interest to me. No big deal, I don't have any interest in the books by Stephanie Meyer or whoever wrote The Hunger Games either and plenty of people seem to like them. In not entirely unrelated news, this comment amused me.

"It's always easy to spot the new midwits showing up on the blog as they come in with pseudo-intellectual swagger, appeal to authority and credentialism, the inability to admit they are wrong on anything, and unfounded belief in their own intelligence."

One would think the mere use of the term "midwit" would give an intelligent individual pause, but then, they're only midwits. It's not their fault that they're unaccustomed to an environment where a +1.5 SD is nothing special. Everyone has to learn sometime.

I wish everyone could undergo the humiliation I went through, along with every other Dragon, at my dojo. Our sensei mastered the art of breaking down the individual's ego and rendering him aware of his own ignorance and ready to learn. There is nothing like getting beaten down by someone you couldn't imagine was even capable of standing up to you to make you realize that your perception of reality was intrinsically false.

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67 Comments:

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 22, 2015 4:21 PM  

Red Shirts wasn't awful but it wasn't funny either and I was given to understand that that was the point of book.

Maybe I was wrong. I couldn't tell you because I tossed it after the "blowjob" part.

Anonymous dh January 22, 2015 4:22 PM  

What an idiot. He can't even keep his shit straight anymore.

The underlying point was stupid and wrong as well. A pure rationalization.

Anonymous trk January 22, 2015 4:28 PM  

But aren't the rabbits the one who criticize your work and others without reading it. They argue that since it's written by X it must be awful.

Anonymous A bad human being January 22, 2015 4:30 PM  

He sure likes to position himself as a GOOD Human Being, don't he?

"I am a good person and, gosh darn it, people like me..."

Anonymous Alexander January 22, 2015 4:36 PM  

Well this is delightful. But maybe he simply meant it as satire?

Blogger Josh January 22, 2015 4:36 PM  

This reddit thread is amusing

https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/2ta2if/am_i_the_only_one_who_finds_scalzi_unfunny/

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 22, 2015 4:40 PM  

I'd be curious to know the IQ scores around here. I don't have mine, but given so many hang out here specifically for the debate, you'd think the scores would be fairly high.

Blogger Josh January 22, 2015 4:54 PM  

"My brother has a different last name, so he doesn't care. My sister prefers being known by her first name."

Curious.

Blogger Krul January 22, 2015 5:01 PM  

Re: NorthernHamlet,

I don't know mine for sure, but it just so happens that I recently took the GRE. Since the GRE's scoring scale recently changed, I converted my score to the old scale using this chart, then plugged that score into this converter that I found by googling.

It returns 3 standard devs for my score, though without taking an actual IQ test I can't be certain.

Blogger JartStar January 22, 2015 5:08 PM  

Scalzi deflects criticism in Josh's link by setting up a false dilemma in which someone likes or dislikes the book itself based upon the style of humor. He even suggests that other reasons are "conspiracy theories". The discussion on Reddit then veers into a debate about humor instead of the quality of his book. Very clever.

Anonymous pseudotsuga January 22, 2015 5:20 PM  

If Scalzi were really interested in intellectual honesty, instead of saying the right things to score with the "good" folks, then he might realize that he is actually referring to himself. My mind reels that he just won't (can't?) see this.
But then again, Scalzi seems to be one of those who think that snark and cleverness are what makes a person smart--as long as it's snarking at the right targets, of course!
(No snarking at Islam, of course-- the PoserModern Left (not a typo) lets OTHERS do that, yet when those out on the real edge get killed for doing that then they can pretend that they were right alongside them free-speech-snarking at Mohammed.)

Anonymous Mike M. January 22, 2015 5:24 PM  

Vox, I'm surprised at you. Anyone running even an average IQ should realize that the sensei knows more than the student.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 22, 2015 5:25 PM  

My SDs are bigger than your SDs.

Anonymous Ostar January 22, 2015 5:31 PM  

Vox: offtopic but will we see a 2nd turn of 5th Frontier War here soon?

Blogger The Original Hermit January 22, 2015 5:41 PM  

From Josh's link, this quote certainly stood out:
"I know. I suck." -John Scalzi

Anonymous Giuseppe January 22, 2015 5:48 PM  

VD,
Heheh. Interesting. When I first encountered one of the top guys of Systema I had already been doing Karate for over a decade and had a decent number of "not in the dojo" encounters to know that I generally could hold my own. That said, thanks to the training I was never arrogant about it. Which was useful because the Russian guy could basically do with me the equivalent of what I could have done to a child. Humbling is not quite the word, it's so far out of what one could predict that it becomes pure curiosity for me. There is a video out there where he basically throws me around for a few minutes and it looks like a game. And it was kinda...for him. For me it was not quite as fun because at the end of that week-end I think the only part of me that was not bruised was my asshole.

Martial arts focuses the mind on reality wonderfully. And some of the rabbit responses to it are classic. People will actively run away from a session that objectively proves their previous knowledge/training is completely outclassed rather than face the facts. Personally I just dropped anything karate related the same day and started from scratch again. Then after a few months went to go do a karate class to compare. Never went back.

Blogger TheCitadel January 22, 2015 5:50 PM  

Scalzi is left wing dirt. Literal detritus.

Blogger Student in Blue January 22, 2015 5:51 PM  

@Mike M.
Vox, I'm surprised at you. Anyone running even an average IQ should realize that the sensei knows more than the student.

Arrogance occurs at all intelligence levels. Anyone running an above average IQ realizes how prevalent arrogance is among the those with above average IQ.

Anonymous Daniel January 22, 2015 5:58 PM  

Another commenter addresses McRapey:

"I see this in a positive light. I have to be honest, didn't love Redshirts. But it's the only novel of yours I'd ever read. Now that I know this was your most polarizing novel, I know it's not your standard, and I have a potential author back. Because goodness knows decent scifi (post 1960s) is hard enough to come by already."

Hee hee hee. I suggest he starts with Scalzi's other Hugo nominees: The God Engines, or perhaps Zoe's Tale. Or maybe for his other Hugo Win...as "Best Fan Writer" for 2008 (no it wasn't for his Watchmen porn.)

Blogger SirHamster January 22, 2015 6:01 PM  

Arrogance occurs at all intelligence levels. Anyone running an above average IQ realizes how prevalent arrogance is among the those with above average IQ.

Actually, I don't think so. Wisdom and humility will notice those things, and those are not a function of IQ, AFAIK.

Blogger DaveofSpades January 22, 2015 6:03 PM  

Giuseppe, I have been looking into Systema since a professor told me about it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, especially if its really as effective as the videos make it out to be.

Anonymous DavidK January 22, 2015 6:04 PM  

Your sensei can beat up my sensei.

Anonymous Keck January 22, 2015 6:34 PM  

"Scalzi is left wing dirt. Literal detritus."

Are you being literally metaphorical. Or does it matter?

Anonymous Giuseppe January 22, 2015 6:36 PM  

DaveofSpades,
Well, i wrote plenty on it. Just follow the link. Or if you're in London cometo our class tomorrow at 6:30pm.

Anonymous Rolf January 22, 2015 6:40 PM  

Krul - interesting score conversion calculator. Seems like it's pretty close to the right ballpark for me.

I found the martial arts I did fun, in part, because it was utterly unambiguous in letting you know just how much you did, or didn't, suck. When you're kicking ass so fast you don't have time to take names, you know you're near the top of the heap. When you can't count the dents your helm has put in the ground, you know you aren't. Rich or poor, handsome or ugly, new or old-timer, made no difference; only win-ratio counts.

Anonymous Steve January 22, 2015 6:45 PM  

I wish everyone could undergo the humiliation I went through, along with every other Dragon, at my dojo. Our sensei mastered the art of breaking down the individual's ego and rendering him aware of his own ignorance and ready to learn. There is nothing like getting beaten down by someone you couldn't imagine was even capable of standing up to you to make you realize that your perception of reality was intrinsically false.

Admit it: you went to Cobra Kai, didn't you Vox?

Blogger Student in Blue January 22, 2015 6:45 PM  

@SirHamster
Actually, I don't think so. Wisdom and humility will notice those things, and those are not a function of IQ, AFAIK.

I think you're missing my point. My point was that arrogance happens at all IQ levels, and that he (Mike M) must not be above average IQ if he doesn't realize that.

I will admit that the use of the words "how prevalent" can sound like every high IQ person is a bag of arrogance, but I was intending for it to be instead a measure of arrogance - "realizes how prevalent arrogance is" implies that there is arrogance (and in fact a lot of it) but also could mean that there is no arrogance.

For example, "Any nun realizes how prevalent arrogance is amongst the other nuns (that is, not very)."

Anonymous Steve January 22, 2015 6:52 PM  

A bad human being - He sure likes to position himself as a GOOD Human Being, don't he?

It's the SJW credo of sola fide.

Doesn't matter how much of a turd you are in your treatment of other people, as long as you believe the right things (or claim to on Twitter), you're one of the Good Guys.

Anonymous Daniel January 22, 2015 7:15 PM  

"Scalzi is left wing dirt. Literal detritus."

Are you being literally metaphorical. Or does it matter?


It's super clever metapoetics, I'm sure. Like Redshirts.

Anonymous Steve January 22, 2015 7:15 PM  

I wouldn't use John Scalzi's books to soak up cat piss.

Blogger Doom January 22, 2015 7:40 PM  

I think being beaten down is required. Being beaten down by some tiny man, or two for those who are a bit slower on the uptake *cough* is just icing. Though who knows. Which is part of what is wrong in the West, where most "men" haven't even been IN a fistfight. If I had bad intentions, or wanted to rule the world, this would be the time.

Everyone on the lifeboats, dainty and self-serving "men" first. Bleh. But if the ship isn't actually sinking, it works. If... I had bad intentions.

Anonymous VD January 22, 2015 7:59 PM  

Admit it: you went to Cobra Kai, didn't you Vox?

We did wear black, as it happens.

Blogger Krul January 22, 2015 8:10 PM  

Everything has fallen into place

Anonymous EH January 22, 2015 8:14 PM  

Krul that test to standard deviation and equivalent scores converter you likned is pretty cool. It also does pre-95 SAT, Weschler, Catell, percentile and rarity conversions in addition to the GRE.

Keep in mind that scores become more likely to be underestimated the closer they are to the ceiling score of the test, and that multiple near-ceiling scores on imperfectly-correlated tests implies a substantially above-ceiling true score. (0.7 correlation is typical between different tests, 0.9 for retaking a given test).

On the basis of V+M SAT I'm at 3.38SD (1/2700), taking into account the higher V score (verbal test had more "top") 3.5 - 3.75SD (1/ 4350 to 11000), taking into account retests and multiple MAT (Miller analogies, one of my favorites), and Otis-Lennon ceiling-minus-1 scores, about 4 - 4.5SD (1/33000 to 300000). High-range testing gives rarity scores that can vary by an order of magnitude either way.

Anonymous Harsh January 22, 2015 8:30 PM  

I wouldn't use John Scalzi's books to soak up cat piss.

OLD MAN'S WAR is surprisingly absorbent.

Blogger automatthew January 22, 2015 8:36 PM  

"OLD MAN'S WAR is surprisingly absorbent."

It's the bookload of adult diapers.

Blogger automatthew January 22, 2015 8:39 PM  

NorthernHamlet: "I'd be curious to know the IQ scores around here."

dh claims a ludicrously low score. Below 100, IIRC. Ann Morgan claimed 166.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 22, 2015 8:53 PM  

When I first encountered one of the top guys of Systema

I like that system a lot. I like how they work in gun and knife work, something that is woefully lacking in the other martial arts.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 22, 2015 9:03 PM  

Krul that test to standard deviation and equivalent scores converter you likned is pretty cool. It also does pre-95 SAT, Weschler, Catell, percentile and rarity conversions in addition to the GRE.

This converter is not very helpful. It has a ceiling at 170, after which the rarity goes to infinity.

Blogger Shibes Meadow January 22, 2015 9:53 PM  

I am what one might call a midwit. Measured IQ 130, pre-'95 SAT 1260. Published author, professional artist and writer. It's been a good life.

I have been in four fistfights, winning two and losing two. I put the last guy in the hospital. Too old to fight now. I make it my business to zig when trouble zags.

Blogger Zimri January 22, 2015 10:29 PM  

Shibes Meadow: I might be higher than midwit under those criteria, but the Asperger's has dragged me down. As Homer said of blind Demodocus: "whom the Muse loved more than other men, though she gave him both good and evil."

Or so I keep telling myself.

Blogger Zimri January 22, 2015 10:31 PM  

As for Scalzi: "Old Man's War" was a decent Heinlein fanfic, of which there be dozens on CreateSpace. I read it thinking "hey, this is a decent Heinlein fanfic! I'm looking forward to his next, REAL book." So I bought the next book, didn't finish it, tossed it.

Anonymous Makiwara January 22, 2015 10:59 PM  

Systema appears to be more of a cult than a martial art. And I suspect as ineffective as Aikido or Tai Chi in a real fight.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 22, 2015 11:24 PM  

Systema appears to be more of a cult than a martial art. And I suspect as ineffective as Aikido or Tai Chi in a real fight.

Yes Makiwara, because shooting someone in the head is as ineffective in a real (I hate that term) fight as doing the zhān zhuāng (站桩) standing pose in Tai Chi.

But let's not mock Tai Chi too much as just something old people do in the park because their hips hurt. It started off from boxing and was quite effective pre-1950. The original name in Chinese is tàijíquán (太極拳). The last character meaning fist or boxing. Notice the four-stroke hand radical in the bottom of the character.

And for the slow, boxing is pretty useful in a fist fight.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 23, 2015 12:05 AM  

Is this McRapey?

Or, was he really only raping Mrs Palmer?

Anonymous Makiwara January 23, 2015 12:18 AM  

Chinese Boxing is not Western Boxing. It's probably better than nothing, but not by much. Even though they are sports, any of the core MMA disciplines are better choices: boxing, thai boxing, wrestling, bjj. Heck, Rugby or bull riding would probably better prepare a man for combat than most Chinese martial arts.

Anonymous Daniel January 23, 2015 12:18 AM  

decent Heinlein fanfic

I actually think he might have liked Starship Troopers. All of his work is fanfic, but his worst books appear to be the ones for which he has a lot of anger toward: His H. Beam Piper foray has been all but buried, his PKDick is universally reviled, and his Star Trek was tired and played out. On the other hand, he was able to generate a series out of Starship Troopers II, and his Watchmen gay porn won a Best in Show.

His best bit of performance art was going on a (now arrested) rapist's radio show to make jokes about the women he has sexually battered.

Anonymous Idle Spectator is Concerned January 23, 2015 12:42 AM  

Chinese Boxing is not Western Boxing.

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE MAN!!! NO WAY!!!

Even though they are sports, any of the core MMA disciplines are better choices: boxing, thai[sic] boxing, wrestling, bjj. Heck, Rugby or bull riding would probably better prepare a man for combat than most Chinese martial arts.

Or use...a weapon? Leading us full circle back to Systema.

Which of course directly contradicts you lumping it in with Tai Chi.

I'M GLAD WE SHARED THIS MOMENT TOGETHER.

Anonymous rho January 23, 2015 12:57 AM  

Leading us full circle back to Systema.

I'm waiting for Systemb, they'll have the bugs worked out by then.

Anonymous Makiwara January 23, 2015 1:06 AM  

Idle, if you're saying that a system that incorporates gun and knife training is more complete than a system that focuses solely on unarmed combat I would say that is true and hardly worth saying.

But weak hand-to-hand plus weak weapons training only produces a completely weak system.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 23, 2015 1:28 AM  

Idle, if you're saying that a system that incorporates gun and knife training is more complete than a system that focuses solely on unarmed combat I would say that is true and hardly worth saying.

I am just marveling (from a safe distance) at you lumping Tai Chi (mostly standing exercises) with Aikido (grappling) with Systema ("cult" in your words).

But weak hand-to-hand plus weak weapons training only produces a completely weak system.

Is that your definition of a cult?

Blogger Kevin Blackwell January 23, 2015 2:16 AM  

I think the real point of this guy saying that is that it's projection. I remember vox's books being voted last place without them being read or something like that. Because that's why dishonorable leftists do. He's accusing you of this because that's what he does, and all the people he associates with does, give opinions about things they know nothing about.

Blogger JP January 23, 2015 2:34 AM  

If anyone was wondering, The Hunger Games is a rip off of a japanese manga called Battle Royale.

Anonymous rho January 23, 2015 3:18 AM  

While midwits are front and center, let's discuss a certain mouse product from a highwit.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P January 23, 2015 3:31 AM  

I read a couple of Scalizi's books - and tbh found them rather bland so stopped.

The Hunger Games trilogy is an interesting one though - I read them as my daughters were and wouldnt stop talking about it. Used the opportunity to talk about how tyrranies rise, the value of rebellion & free speech, how folks can do anything when theyre scared or live in fear. Had some really interesting discussions with the kids.

Anonymous Steve January 23, 2015 5:39 AM  

JP - "The Hunger Games is a rip off of a japanese manga called Battle Royale."

It's a lip off.

Anonymous Statists are so dull January 23, 2015 6:16 AM  

Don't forget that most Asian martial arts were developed because the populace we're denied access to weapons by the state.

Armed Combat > unarmed combat

Anonymous Giuseppe January 23, 2015 10:08 AM  

Makiwara,
You are an idiot. There are millions of you in all spheres of life, so you're not even a special idiot. Just a common one. No one that has actually met, tried to spar, or outright tried to injure one of the top Systema exponents would ever dream of saying systema is useless. And I know of no martial artist that has encountered one of these people that has anything other than respect for their proven ability. I do not measure up to their level because I didn't spend my life doing it under soviet military conditions, but without knowing a thing about you, I can bet any amount of money that I can kick your ass anytime I want. I am easy to find. Get yourself to our gym, sign the waiver form and then, if you prove me wrong I will make a public apology.
Just because there are idiots in any martial art is no reason to make wild assed assumptions about a style. Idiot.

Anonymous Mike Mike January 23, 2015 12:47 PM  

I find it odd that he's posted almost 30 tweets in the last 4 hours,,, must be exhausting.

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 23, 2015 5:00 PM  

Don't forget that most Asian martial arts were developed because the populace we're denied access to weapons by the state.

Armed Combat > unarmed combat


Don't get me wrong, I'm aware they use weapons occasionally in Tai Chi. Namely the long rod, the Jian sword, and the saber. But the problem is, that's not practical to drag those around with you, and like the empty hand form, is mostly standing exercise or katas, but the person is holding the weapon while they doing them.

They also use a fan with movement. Which paradoxically might actually be the MOST useful, because you can have that on you concealed, there are no laws against that, and you can cut someone like a knife.

That is strange to think about. "Thinks got icy tonight in downtown Minneapolis, when two gangbangers were found dead by local police at a bar, killed from blunt force trauma from a metal fan."

Anonymous Jim Milo January 24, 2015 1:48 AM  

Holy crap, I just had to pop in from 8chan to pass this on:

http://theralphretort.com/giant-spacekats-frank-wu-under-fire-as-ex-wife-details-domestic-violence-0124015/

According to Frank Wu here https://archive.today/69Qmn

"She took credit for me winning my first Hugo. I only won, she said, because she'd help throw a couple parties for me at conventions and not because, well, I'd done art that people liked."

Blogger Tom Kratman January 24, 2015 11:51 AM  

"Just a common one. No one that has actually met, tried to spar, or outright tried to injure one of the top Systema exponents would ever dream of saying systema is useless."

The key clause in that, Giuseppe, might be "top Systema exponents." A martial art can make someone competent - or at least marginally competent - in that particular martial art. But without certain things that are either innate or learned very young - speed, coordination, killer instinct, and willingness to be hurt/endure pain - no martial art is going to be all that effective in making a combatant of him. I had to do some Krav Maga at Bragg about 11 years ago (and, no, I am not impressed with it, as I would not be impressed with any system that depends so much on your enemy doing what you want him to do, but which isn't well thought out enough to capture the initiative in a way that forces him to act a certain way. As Jesus [should have] said, "the fads and fetishes with be with you always.") and was matched against a kid, a young West Pointer, about half my age, and probably twice my health and strength. Beat the kid like I owned him, because he just didn't have the right innate abilities or instincts. So, too, with other forms and systems...

Anonymous Giuseppe January 24, 2015 8:55 PM  

Tom,
There is not enough space here to explain why though your reasoning is essentially correct it is flawed in this instance.
Let me try to summarise:
In ANY martial art, a large percentage of practitioners will be mildly to non-effective. A determined 20% or so will be ok, and can reasonably expect to do ok in a real life bar brawl. A small percentage will be good technically and can account well for themselves, but there is no telling how they will really perform under actual real life conditions. Then there are those like you and me and a few other types, who may differ in ability, technical competence, etc. etc. but basically, in a real life situation, you better knock them out or shoot them, because trained or not, they will cause damage if they have ANY opportunity.
The difference here is that systema works on principles that are completely different to any other martial art i have encountered, and I have been exposed to many and since I was 4.
Give me ten clones and you train 5 at whatever unarmed combat discipline you like, and i train my 5 in systema, after six months your clones and mine fight. It's a thought experiment of course and I don't expect you to believe me, but i would bet you hard cash that your clones lose.
I do not say this because i have any ego invested in this. Truly, if some hitherto unknown dim-mak appeared from the hidden city of the white Amazon that was more effective, i would drop systema in a heartbeat.

If it helps, i have had ex-sas, combat experienced soldiers, battle scarred east block bouncers and wrestlers with a good 30kg on me ( i am not small myself) all try to explain to me how their way is best. Not with so many words you understand. They all became students. This is not anything I could have done with Karate, which in one way or another I did from about the age of four.
If you care enough, pm me your address and i will mail you the book on it i wrote. You are a combat veteran i understand, so you should be able to relate to some of the neurology i describe.

Makiwara is an idiot because only an idiot makes sweeping statements on things he is ignorant of. I have never done Silat. I would not open my mouth about it. I may have an opinion, but you know what they are like.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 25, 2015 2:07 AM  

Guiseppe:

No, mine will win, because my only blackbelt is in a form of katana, and katana wins. Oh...well, and tae kwan submachine gun is good, too, of course, as are ju-shotgun, and ken-1911.

My point isn't that any way is best or better (except that I think Krav Maga is deeply flawed in concept) and I'm not sure how you could read that into what I wrote. My point wrt systema was that your exemplars for selection were by your own definition, not ordinary, hence didn't really prove what you wanted them to. For all I know, systema could be the one system to turn 98 pound weaklings into Charles Atlases, make Hillary a decent human being, get the taste of Bill's jizz out of Monica's mouth, and win the war for the allies. But it will still not do your _argument_ any good to cite to the very best to prove anything in particular, and especially not what you wanted to prove.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 26, 2015 5:55 AM  

Tom,
1. I did say unarmed. But see final PS.
2. No one can "prove" much on the Internet, and you seem to have misunderstood my point, which was simply this: Makiwara made an ignorant and stupid statement based not on any experience with real life practitioners of systema. I pointed out that anyone who has done so has come away realising they encountered something of a very efficient and very much real nature. I pointed to the best exponents as a simple way to prove a point. Just like anyone who said karate is completely useless would be pointed to say Kanazawa as an examplar of what karate can do, or Rickson Greice vs jujitsu etc. Obviously your milage will vary, but that is true of all martial arts. I then clarified, for you, that all other items being equal, it is my considered opinion, through experience, logic and science that Systema is qualitatively better than other martial arts I have been exposed to. To make this closer to home for you, it's as if someone said that the. 338 Lapua is a shitty round for sniping because they never used it and they are. 308 fans and the. 338 Lapua is just a cult thing.
Would you not say something like: " look here, idiotboy, I personally know Jim-bob from Montana, who uses the. 338 to shoot dicks off flies at a 1000 yards, and even though I can't do that myself, I'll happily stay at one end of the 1000 yard field with my. 338 if you're willing to stay at your end of it with your. 308."
And yeah, I know you wouldn't actually say that, but you get the point. No use discussing random amateurs with either rifle. You gotta go to trained persons to be able to make any kind of judgement call.
Final PS, if we're talking war, of the type where you're liable to be leading men against me and my men, I would very much try to make sure you knew nothing of it, and would try very hard to murder you in your sleep by whatever means I could come up with. The prospect of leading my men to slaughter on an idealised battlefield in a "fair" fight where you actually have years of experience to my very little in that scenario, has little appeal for me too. But as I said, mine was a thought experiment, hence the unarmed clones.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 27, 2015 8:26 AM  

No, I understood what you were trying to do wrt Makiwara, and what his flaw was; I just don't think it works for your argument all that well. No, wrt the .338 Lapua (of the ballistics of which I am a fan and which I would like to see tried in a machine gun) I'd probably say, instead, "Well, what don't you like about it? Expense? Weight? Recoil? Difficult to train the firer because of that? That the round's practical range exceeds your ability to see and aim, even with a scope?" You might try that approach with Makiwara and, who knows, maybe you'll win a convert.

Blogger TheCitadel January 29, 2015 12:47 AM  

"Our risky idea was to base the characters of our post-apocalyptic town on the people of modern Los Angeles. Its real teenagers aren’t the straight white culture-less heroes who inhabit most YA novels. They belong to many races and cultures and religions. Some are gay or lesbian or bisexual. Some are disabled. And few of them ever see people like themselves as the heroes of sf novels."

Scalzi is a little like a parody of a leftist. He ticks all the boxes! I hope he will be including intersextional transfeminists in his next book!

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