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Saturday, January 10, 2015

Hultgreen-Curie waits

The RAF foolishly decides to defy Hultgreen-Curie Syndrome:
First woman to command an RAF fast jet squadron named as Wing Commander Nikki Thomas. Wg Cdr Thomas is expected to lead bombing missions over Iraq this summer.  A woman who has become the first to command an RAF fast jet squadron is expected to lead bombing missions over Iraq this summer.

​Wing Commander Nikki Thomas​, who took charge of the newly reformed No 12 Squadron at RAF Marham in Norfolk​ ​on Friday​, flew a daring low mission to help foil a deadly rocket attack on a UK base in Afghanistan. The 36-year-old is a weapons system operator with extensive experience of combat operations, clocking up more than 35 missions in Afghanistan within three months alone. 
One wishes the Wing Commander the best of luck, but let's face it, the odds are not on her side. It's a daring move, especially after the first female Royal Navy captain lasted all of three months.

In not entirely unrelated news, the Marines are finding it hard to find a single woman who can pass the officer course:
Two female Marine officers who volunteered to attempt the Corps’ challenging Infantry Officer Course did not proceed beyond the first day of the course, a Marine Corps spokesperson confirms to the Free Beacon. The two were the only female officers attempting the course in the current cycle, which began Thursday in Quantico, Virginia.

With the two most recent drops, there have been 29 attempts by female officers to pass the course since women have been allowed to volunteer, with none making it to graduation. (At least one woman has attempted the course more than once.) Only three female officers have made it beyond the initial day of training, a grueling evaluation known as the Combat Endurance Test, or CET. Male officers also regularly fail to pass the CET, and the overall course has a substantial attrition rate for males.

The Marine Corps spokesperson, Captain Maureen Krebs, told the Free Beacon that the two officers, “did not meet the standards required of them on day one in order to continue on with the course.” Fifteen male officers also did not meet the standards. Of the 118 officers who began the course, 101 proceeded to the second day. 
It's mildly amusing to see that the reporter feels the need to point out that men have been known to fail the course as well, although at least he's honest enough to provide the statistics that demonstrate show 13 percent of the male candidates failed CET, compared to 100 percent of the female candidates.

The Marines are under tremendous pressure to water down their standards. One hopes, for the sake of future Marines, they will stand firm nevertheless. And we can be all but certain that if a woman ever does pass the course, she'll be a strong candidate for Hultgreen-Curie Syndrome.

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57 Comments:

Blogger JACIII January 10, 2015 5:14 AM  

" I thought a pushup was a bra!"

Anonymous Discard January 10, 2015 5:39 AM  

A nation that uses women to fight deserves to lose.

Anonymous Discard January 10, 2015 5:42 AM  

I wonder if the Jihadis unwillingness to kill women, as in the shoot up in Paris, extends to RAF aircrew.

Anonymous HongKongCharlie January 10, 2015 5:46 AM  

Reading the article she's listed twice, once as a weapons system operator and also as a navigator. I'm amused by the article telling how she flew a daring low level mission. The gal is a passenger! Hopefully her aim was good.

HKC

Anonymous Earl January 10, 2015 5:52 AM  

Discard, that is how I feel. I have daughters that might get drafted now. F that. This ain't my country if they're going to get drafted. My country would protect my daughters from that and many other evils. But instead my country hurls my daughters headlong into despair and death. My country hates me for feeling this way about my girls. Is this then my country?

Anonymous Johnny Caustic January 10, 2015 5:53 AM  

Correction: 13 percent of the male candidates failed Day 1 of CET, compared to 90 percent of the female candidates.

Anonymous VD January 10, 2015 6:05 AM  

Correction: 13 percent of the male candidates failed Day 1 of CET, compared to 90 percent of the female candidates.

Learn to fucking read. If there is one thing I despise, it is pedantic morons who can't wait to jump in to "correct" people incorrectly. Zero of the two female candidates in the most recent cycle passed Day 1 of CET. That is 100 percent failure. Not 90 percent.

It was patently obvious that the percentages do not refer to all 29 attempts by the unknown number of women to ever attempt the IOC, but only those in the current cycle, because the 13 percent male figure only refers to the current cycle. You are rather stupidly comparing the current male cycle figure with the all-time female figure.

I understand you probably get an emotional boost out of correcting people, but it's not an attractive personality attribute. Don't be that guy. No one likes that guy.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 10, 2015 6:12 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 10, 2015 6:14 AM  

The off the top of my head estimate is that it would take a woman about five months of intensive weight training to be ready for IOC. And by that I mean that is what they do pretty much all day.

Think about it, generally officers are like most enlisted men. One hitch (5 years) and you go on with your life. So 3 months at OCC (Officer Boot Camp), 6 months at TBS (Basic Officer School) . Then IOC for 3 months.

So roughly a year just to get to the fleet as bare bones 2nd LT Infantry Officer.

That is the official schooling, the unofficial on the job training is about year on top of that..

So the best case scenario is two years to learn your craft and three years to do your job. Now on top of that you are going to throw in 5 months at a physical conditioning remedial course. All to have a substandard officer. And she will be substandard. That's the truth of it.

The defense of the United States of America is becoming yet another Social Justice vanity project.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 10, 2015 6:16 AM  

Of course they won't bother with a physical conditioning course.

They will just water down IOC.

Anonymous Jonathan January 10, 2015 6:42 AM  

Last week I was doing some research and came across a USMC website that listed the training locations for Marine Corps reserves. The directory provided the following info for each location: address, phone number, fax number, sexual harassment hotline number.

The fact that the sexual harassment hotline is considered one of four pertinent items of info says quite a bit about the state of our military.

Anonymous hygate January 10, 2015 6:48 AM  

When discussing this sort of thing with SJWs their go to line is that the physical standards are arbitrary, meant to keep women out of combat. After all, look at all those jeeps and combat is push button. One moron tried to say that the U.S. needed to spend more money developing light weight equipment so that women wouldn't be at a disadvantage.

When I pointed out that a great deal of money is spent on researching lighter weight gear, but any gains made isn't going to reduce the load because weight savings are going to go into carrying more ammo/food/water/etc the SJW went silent.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 10, 2015 7:02 AM  

If they magically made it out into the Fleet they wouldn't last anyway, what a joke so yet more self centered women can "feel good."

Anonymous hygate January 10, 2015 7:11 AM  

Should we handicap people in combat like jockeys? Make them carry useless weight according to how strong they are in order for everyone to be "equal?"

Blogger Carnivore January 10, 2015 7:41 AM  

One moron tried to say that the U.S. needed to spend more money developing light weight equipment so that women wouldn't be at a disadvantage.

That reminds me of the feminist (might have been Gloria Steinem) on a TV talk show decades ago who, when it was pointed out that women generally can't wield a fireman's ax, exclaimed that electric axes must be developed and deployed to enable fire-women.

Anonymous Salt January 10, 2015 7:45 AM  

Only three female officers have made it beyond the initial day of training

How far beyond? Breakfast the next morning? Lunch?

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 10, 2015 7:47 AM  

Anybody else remember Kelly Flinn?

She was America's first B-52 pilot and a great hero for feminists everywhere.

Not for choosing to serve in the Air Force. God, no! Not that! No Flinn became a feminist icon for having an out of control pussy.

Flinn began screwing an enlisted woman's husband. Was caught at it and received something that no man had been given since the 1960s. A second chance.

The Talk went something like this: If you were a man, you would already be on your way to Leavenworth for Adultery. Stop screwing the guy or you are going to be court martialed. This ends the The Talk

Anyone at all familar with Game knows exactly what happened next.

She kept screwing the guy.

She was brought to Court Martial and became, The American Feminist Hero of the Year for it. Flinn was absolutely lionized for being a complete and total out of control slut with another woman's husband.

Got a very nice book deal out it too. I remember being pissed at seeing it at the MWR bookstore.

In retrospect I'm surprised they didn't have her doing signings on base.

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 10, 2015 8:04 AM  

There's a Nikki Heat joke in here somewhere, but I can't tease it out before my 3rd cup of coffee.

Anonymous PA January 10, 2015 8:04 AM  

Anybody else remember Kelly Flinn?

I do.

A nation that uses women to fight deserves to lose

Some nations are desperate and give women rifles as a last-resort. Western governments are not in that situation. Their use of women in the military is apex frivolity, a dishonor to their own fighting men and to the enemy.

Anonymous Stingray January 10, 2015 8:42 AM  

Encouraging women to be like men, while destroying our military and sending these women to their death= high state of respect and regard.

Encouraging women to embrace what they actually very good at = misogyny.

Who hates women again?

Anonymous Nobles January 10, 2015 8:50 AM  

>"electric axes must be developed and deployed to enable fire-women."

Which presents an easy solution: women who want to be fire fighters but are not strong enough to do so can invent an effective electric ax that enables them to be effective fire fighters. But why do that when you can just be angry that men haven't invented them for you yet?

Anonymous Stilicho January 10, 2015 8:51 AM  

Everyone should read Kratman's recent series of articles at everyjoe on this very topic.

Anonymous anon3 January 10, 2015 9:04 AM  

Here is another one that Anita Sarkesian is going to make some money:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/09/intels-300m-diversity-drive-is-discriminatory-and-wrongheaded/

Anonymous Heh January 10, 2015 9:05 AM  

One moron tried to say that the U.S. needed to spend more money developing light weight equipment so that women wouldn't be at a disadvantage.

Can you invent light weight comrades? You might need to hoist one over your shoulder and carry him when he's wounded.

A Marine I know once said, "lightweight equipment is great, but 150 pounds of lightweight equipment still weighs 150 pounds."

Anonymous Heh January 10, 2015 9:06 AM  

"Everyone should read Kratman's recent series of articles at everyjoe on this very topic." -- yes, they are outstanding as one would expect.

Anonymous bw January 10, 2015 9:11 AM  

volunteered to attempt the Corps’ challenging Infantry Officer Course

They know. We know. Everybody knows.
Hatred and Resentment of Nature is strong with these types.

Anonymous bw January 10, 2015 9:25 AM  

Oh, and how the hell would an "electric axe" work or be designed that could make up for the inability and inferiority of females in said (govt Unionized) profession?

OpenID cailcorishev January 10, 2015 9:39 AM  

I'd say either the reporter or the spokesman tried to obfuscate the numbers a bit so we can't compare apples to apples. He tells how many male candidates there were, but how many female attempts (29), not how many different women (since some tried more than once). Almost as if they wanted people to get hung up on the statistics, so they wouldn't notice the important one: 0% completion.

Obviously, the course is sexist. It'll be watered down until most everyone can pass it, and all will be well. The USMC took longer to cave than the other services, but once the caving starts, there's no stopping it.

OpenID cailcorishev January 10, 2015 9:41 AM  

Oh, and how the hell would an "electric axe" work or be designed that could make up for the inability and inferiority of females in said (govt Unionized) profession?

That's for men to figure out.

Anonymous Godfrey January 10, 2015 9:43 AM  

Women in combat is a "two-for-one" for the crony financial elites. If they're die bombing brown people in banker wars, then they aren't reproducing.

A dead potential mother means no potential baby. The crony-wealth population crowd must be very happy. Fewer mothers, fewer babies and fewer brown people... yes, they're very happy.

Anonymous clk January 10, 2015 9:49 AM  

I dont want my daughters going to combat. I really dont want my sons either but I understand that at least as a male they mighr be called to defend the country.

OpenID UnderwaterOperative January 10, 2015 10:07 AM  

2015 outlook: SEALs to unveil decision on women's roles
On of the Ilk posted this on facebook the other day. Total idiocy.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 10, 2015 10:31 AM  

" I really dont want my sons either but I understand that at least as a male they mighr be called to defend the country."

The last time American troops fought to defend their country, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war.

Anonymous sawtooth January 10, 2015 11:05 AM  

Why bother developing an "electric axe"?

How about developing an "electric house fire put-er-out-er" that the lady could push the start button?

Anonymous Jill January 10, 2015 11:26 AM  

What a win for women! I'm cheering, don't know about you. I mean, she gets to go kill people in Iraq. That's the pinnacle of human rights and equality right there.

Blogger Al Cibiades January 10, 2015 11:36 AM  

It would be a good idea to demand all service academy and ROTC grads branch only combat arms at graduation and jack up the remaining standards to the Marine corps level. Bring back the Women's Army Corps and the Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service if they're really serious about helping.

But they're not. Women want to be involved even when they know they ruin everything just so they don't feel frozen out.

@ Chris MalloryDon't sweat it Chris, "Pro-natives" will have another shot at it.

a little OT: These attacks have really rattled the left, because their ideology depends so much on modern advancements. e.g. It's really hard to take feminism seriously as a worldview when it's not sustainable anywhere in the world where there are no washing machines or reliable birth control options.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 10, 2015 12:14 PM  

Naw, she's already made it past the Hultgreen threshold.

Whether or not she's a good squadron commander is another thing. I highly doubt any female commander will top the Bud Holland case study. The psychology of an incompetent female squadron commander is very different from an incompetent male squadron commander. I've seen both.

Anonymous Conservative Buddhist January 10, 2015 12:28 PM  

There is a lot to be learned by the photo of the female Marines in the article. That is not a group actively and positively engaged in the the training.

Anonymous bw January 10, 2015 1:01 PM  

How about developing an "electric house fire put-er-out-er" that the lady could push the start button?

+1

Blogger papabear January 10, 2015 1:11 PM  

"My country hates me for feeling this way about my girls. Is this then my country?"

Welll, not everyone in your country, just those who have an influence.

Anonymous Don January 10, 2015 2:15 PM  

This is why I hate scifi or fantasy that shows non-superpowered women as fantasy warriors. 90% of the men are stronger than 100% of the women in the Marines. It breaks my suspension of disbelief. I know nothing about FTL drive or ritual magic, unicorns, gryphons, or dragons, less about Lovecraftian monsters rising from the deeps but I do know combat and women just can't cut it.

That's why God invented Sam Colt and made it clear to women through experience that none of them can go toe to toe with a man.

Give me good bafflegarb and I'll buy starships. Nobody can make me believe that women can compete with men much less beat them outside of comic books.

Anonymous A Visitor January 10, 2015 2:28 PM  

" It'll be watered down until most everyone can pass it, and all will be well. The USMC took longer to cave than the other services, but once the caving starts, there's no stopping it."

Exactly! I remember a little under two years ago when I was working out on a military base on the west coast (having never served myself) and thinking, "I am so glad my dad told me to wait on joining." I saw anger from many that women were being brought into combat roles. I saw the SWJ hydra raise its head with SHARP and other crap. I thought to myself, "What if you joined and had to endure six years of this bs?"

My heart goes out to all the officers and enlisted who really do want to do their jobs well. The politicians and REMFs always have a way of screwing things up.

Finally, Marine infantry is no joke (as 11B is not in the Army or the equivalent thereof in the Air Force or Navy). One of my classmates from grad school was (at that point he was in the reserves) former active duty, infantry officer, with three tours in Iraq. One time he opened up and described one aspect of Infantry training. It's patently obvious why attrition is so high.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus January 10, 2015 2:49 PM  

"Don't be that guy. No one likes that guy."


I just belly laughed.

OpenID bubbatwelvepack January 10, 2015 3:17 PM  

Since the number of Infantry Officers required is presumably a constant, looks to me like more men are eventually going to have to be screened out somehow to provide slots for the targeted percent of women Infantry Officers.

That can either happen at the front end or the back end. Since only 13% of the men are flunking out now it seems likely that lowering standards for all is going to insure that a substantial portion of that 13% pass.

This means the class composition needs to be skewed with a proportionately higher number of women, to deliver the targeted number passing to fill the slots intended for them.

The alternative would be to raise the bar for the men, causing more of them to drop out and free up slots for the women who pass under the new lower "ladies standard."

Anonymous joe doakes January 10, 2015 3:35 PM  

Perhaps the Marines need WAMs - Women's Auxiliary Marines. Change the blood stripe on the dress uniform trouser to pink, run them through the same training camp as the junior college football team, have focus groups design jobs WAMs would like to do (nothing messy or tiring - perhaps Reviewing the Troops or a bit of light Data Entry). And make sure the best looking WAM appears at every single photo op.

Anonymous Stilicho January 10, 2015 5:30 PM  

As a squadron commander, this chick is more likely to be an example of Hultgree-Curie By Proxy. It's a related condition where she gets her subordinates killed while she plays at being a man.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 10, 2015 6:03 PM  

I agree with Stilicho. She will get someone else killed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 10, 2015 7:35 PM  

USMC early 80s seen exactly two female Marine officers. One day while on duty at the armory two giggling female 1st Lts came strolling up to the door. No they were not Marine O material, but I would have hit it.

Anonymous Daniel January 10, 2015 7:50 PM  

On the plus side, it is another opportunity for science fiction to expand its inclusive (and surely lucrative) market with True Life Navy WereSEAL Erotica just around the corner. I mean, who doesn't want to follow up Starship Troopers with that.

Of course, McRapey already beat everyone to this by creating the first cis-nothing protagonist of a book, even though he has a handicap which prevents him from understanding the difference between sex and gender.

Blogger rcocean January 10, 2015 8:44 PM  

I understand you probably get an emotional boost out of correcting people, but it's not an attractive personality attribute."

Its amazing how many assholes there are on the internet. I'm astounded at astounded at how many never post anything, except to show up to "correct" some trivial error. In fact you can always boost your comment total by including some trivial error, and like flies on shit, people will come around to correct you. Its amazing.

Blogger rcocean January 10, 2015 8:46 PM  

I'm sure the female squad commander is quite proud and happy to fly the mission, I wonder if her squadron is as happy.

OpenID cailcorishev January 10, 2015 9:04 PM  

Reminds me of a demotivational-style pic I saw once, with a hot blonde in a sports car, stuck in the mud with smoke rolling out from under it as she spins the tires at top speed. The caption said, "FEMALE DRIVERS - Still want to let her borrow your car?"

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 10, 2015 10:28 PM  

clk: "I dont want my daughters going to combat."

Good for you.

Half the point of having a military is for our women not to be in the meat-grinder. The other half is enforcing our borders.

Anonymous Atombum January 10, 2015 11:44 PM  

I just saw ABC-TVs` `Marvel`s Agent Carter` pilot tonight. A short review: 1. Talk about pure pink SF/F Bovine Scat! Watching it was like reading Margaret Landon`s feminist novel `Anna and the King of Siam`. 2. Most of the men were a mix of betas,deltas, and omegas while many of the women were supersmart alphas. 3. Both Carter and her male sidekick had brit accents though they`re U.S. Agents. W.T.F?!? 4. The actress playing the title character was decent looking but was outshone by another lil `gal`. In the cafe where Carter often ate, there was a vintage BakeLite radio of the era on a shelf. Dark walnut. Zwing! (No, not a fetish, I was just that bored by it all). VERDICT: Two Thumbs Down.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami January 11, 2015 12:28 AM  

"And we can be all but certain that if a woman ever does pass the course, she'll "...have been born with a dick.
/fixed

That's why they're pushing the GBLT agenda so hard: to get trannies in there, to -finally- have a woman pass the tests.

Blogger OldFan January 11, 2015 2:46 PM  

1. Fighter pilots are 1% of the 1% of the 1%, so plumbing does not matter - IF the selection process is not compromised. The trouble is that it happens with blinding speed in most cases, as quotas are set. We can charitably hope they did not need to do that this time.

2. Give some kudos to the female marines that tried that tough course: so far NOT ONE of them has gotten up on the media to play the "mean old boys mistreated me" card. Holy Snot, they actually care about the Good of the Corps!

3. Always remember, for the SJWs the issue is never about having an effective police dept., fire dept. or military force - it is always about the deliberate destruction of those institutions.

4. Note that LTC Kratman argued vehemently and succinctly AGAINST women in combat and then developed a scenario where it HAD to be done in The Amazon Legion. He then ruthlessly described exactly what it would take to train, organize, and equip effective female infantry; what sorts of missions they would excel at; and what the horrifying results of battle would be. He performed an intellectual evolution that is completely foreign to the average SWJ: exploring both sides of an issue, even if it is uncomfortable to do so.

Anonymous Discard January 11, 2015 9:24 PM  

The way to ensure that the selection process is not compromised is to allow no women. The possible loss of an imagined female Joe Foss is greatly outweighed by the many real Kelly Flynns and Whats-her-name Hultgreens.

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