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Thursday, January 01, 2015

I miss the bowls

When I was a kid, New Years Day meant hearing my mother, who grew up in Pasadena, watching the Rose Parade. I'd watch the four bowl games, the Sugar Bowl, the Cotton Bowl, the Rose Bowl, and finally, the Orange Bowl.

And sure, it wasn't always possible to know who the "national champion" was, but nobody really cared all that much, what was important was that the Big Ten won the Rose Bowl, that Oklahoma didn't win the Orange Bowl, and that the games featuring the sort of matchups you hadn't seen before were either a) good games or b) ridiculous blowouts. I don't even know why I hated Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Michigan, and Notre Dame, or why I liked Baylor, Texas, Ohio State, Pitt, Florida State, and USC. But I had a favorite in every major conference

For me, things started to fall apart with the Bowl Coalition in 1992. The Big 10 and Pac-10 wisely held out for three years, but everything went south, literally, with the Bowl Alliance and the creation of a national championship played at the Fiesta Bowl on January 2nd.

Now, I no longer even watch college football on New Years Day. I don't know who is playing in the bowls, and I don't care. Are people any happier or more interested in college football now that the "national championship" is the de facto SEC championship? It appears I'm not the only one who is less interested in the unambiguous national championship system.
  • "The average attendance for bowl games has declined each of the past six seasons, down to 49,116 last season, the lowest mark since 1978-79, when there were 15 bowls, according to the NCAA bowl record book."
  • "The Michigan State/Stanford Rose Bowl earned the top audience of the BCS slate, with a 10.2 U.S. rating and 18.6 million viewers on ESPN New Year’s Day — up 9% in ratings and viewership from Stanford/Wisconsin last year (9.4, 17.0M), and flat and up 6%, respectively, from TCU/Wisconsin in 2011 (10.2, 17.6M). Despite the increase, the game tied the second-lowest rating ever for the Rose Bowl.
  • The UCF/Baylor Fiesta Bowl drew a 6.6 U.S. rating and 11.2 million viewers Tuesday night, down 11% in ratings and 9% in viewership from Oregon/Kansas State last year (7.4, 12.3M), and down 21% and 18%, respectively, from Oklahoma State/Stanford in 2011 (8.4, 13.6M). The game earned the second-lowest rating and viewership for the Fiesta Bowl in the BCS era, ahead of only Oklahoma/Connecticut in 2010 (6.2, 10.8M). Overall, the Orange and Fiesta Bowls rank among the ten lowest rated BCS bowls of all time. 
  • In 2014, the BCS Championship game drew in 25.5 million viewers, and that was just the ninth-watched BCS title in history.
Here is what appears to be the root of the problem: "They (ESPN) need live content, even mediocre live content," Maestas told USA TODAY Sports. "Even 400,000 viewers in a sad bowl with 25,000 people in the stands is getting better (viewership) than 100 channels out there."

But what's good for ESPN isn't necessarily good for the game of college football. Quite the opposite, it appears. At least the NFL, for all its lunatic lurching about in its attempt to grow its female audience, is in control of its own destiny. This may explain why I won't be watching a single bowl game today, but will not miss a single playoff game this weekend.

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Anonymous DrTorch January 01, 2015 8:44 AM  

I would disagree that the mythical national championship was always important. But I definitely miss the bowl games. NYD with a feast of games just feels right.

The Orange Bowl on NYE? Hardly anyone in the stadium, even with a respectable match up of teams not too far away.

I stopped watching the bowl alliance and the bcs, and don't even have time to keep track of what games are after NYD. It's just not that interesting.

ESPN wants content, even mediocre content...well ESPN plays an active role in keeping their content mediocre, quite similar to the McMahon family when it comes right down to it.

I've been advocating for a playoff for close to 20 years now. A playoff through Dec, with bowl games serving as warm up for the championship game all played on NYD would be the best scenario.

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 9:00 AM  

The biggest problem, too many of 'em:
Weedeater Bowl, now known as the Duck Commander Bowl (you think I'm joking don't you?) Bitcoin.com Bowl (No, seriously).
IIRC, there are now 34 bowl games from mid-December to post New Year's Day. Yet there was so much resistance to a pro (oops) college football playoff system.

Anonymous Salt January 01, 2015 9:01 AM  

All these bowl games and I think of giving out emotional biscuits, because... feelings.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 9:08 AM  

Oh please... listen to your bitching. The BCS was a terrible idea... no question. But a real college football playoff is precisely what the sport needed.

Bowl games were always a waste of time anyway. Hell for a big chunk of college football history they weren't even counted in the national title race.

of course it was more fun when there like 12 good games on New Years Day.. and about 8 of them had national title implications. That was cool. It was way cooler than the BCS idiocy.

But a playoff? A real playoff? That is a dream come true.


Also...


EVERYONE GET OFF VOX'S LAWN!!!

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 9:12 AM  

"They (ESPN) need live content, even mediocre live content,"
TV in general needs live content, it's the only thing they can generate large audiences (and large ad fees) for.
Between streaming, DVRs and people just ''cutting the cable'' folks just don't watch TV like they used to.

Anonymous Splash Daddy January 01, 2015 9:15 AM  

I think the desire to create a "championship game" broke something that was unique about college football. In the past winning your conference crown was the goal of the team. By winning the conference you earned the right to play in the premier bowl such as Cotton, Rose, etc. Final polls were meaningless and only served as bragging rights. It was all about winning your conference and if you fell a little short you earned the right to play in a consolation bowl such as the Gator Bowl.

Today we have too many bowls with mediocre teams (6 wins) and the championship games renders them meaningless. (What's to brag about finishing 7-6?)

2011 exposed the system for all its absurdity. Alabama's mulligan game - because we just knew that with all that NFL talent they had to be the "best team" despite losing to the only good team they played that year - was a travesty and rendered conference championships meaningless.

The present system still has the basic flaw in its structure - voting on the "best teams." All other sports require you actually win something objective - division, conference, tournament, etc. to qualify for the championship playoffs. Nobody cares who the best team is. Meet the defined criteria, qualify, then WIN the championship. Let the faggots in the media argue about who the "best team" is.

I think they will eventually get it right though. A few more years and they will have an 8-12 team playoff with conference champs plus a few at large berths. The lesser bowls will be about programming and corporate sponsorship.

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 9:20 AM  

"The average attendance for bowl games has declined each of the past six seasons, down to 49,116 last season, the lowest mark since 1978-79, when there were 15 bowls, according to the NCAA bowl record book."

That's because of the increase in the number of bowls, a number of which have low attendance.

Nothing to do with the playoff.

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 9:23 AM  

Nate:
But a real college football playoff is precisely what the sport needed.
While the BCS is an improvement, it should have an NFL like playoff system.
If you're going to have a Duck Commander Bowl, make it like an NFL wildcard game. Winner goes to the Bitcoin.com Bowl then the winner of that plays for example, Alabama (FSU, Ohio State, ect.) on New Year's day.
Then the weekend after New Year's day, you have a ''College'' Super Bowl (the only ''bowl'' game I actually give a rat's patoot about).

Anonymous Steve Canyon January 01, 2015 9:25 AM  

A few elites making billions off cheap labor. Not much different than the rest of American society.

Blogger Russell Widhalm January 01, 2015 9:26 AM  

I miss being able to watch a bowl game on any channel other than ESPN/ESPN2. And the current 'playoff' is just the BCS in disguise. 4 teams chosen at random by a semi-secret committee in their Star Chamber isn't a playoff.

And like the BCS, it's not about the mythical 'national championship' at all. It's about maximizing revenue for the networks and the Power 5 conferences.

And how bout the SEC? 5-3 in bowl games, and both Mississippi schools got spanked. Not a good omen for Bama...

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 9:30 AM  

Vox is letting Rick Reilly and Mitch Album write guest posts?

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 9:33 AM  

All other sports require you actually win something objective - division, conference, tournament, etc. to qualify for the championship playoffs.

Wrong. There's a selection committee for college basketball.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 9:44 AM  

"And how bout the SEC? 5-3 in bowl games, and both Mississippi schools got spanked. Not a good omen for Bama..."

LSU got ripped off. Should be 6-2. Regardless... anyone in their right mind was worried about ol miss vs TCU. TCU should have been in the playoffs. Ol miss had a few key injuries that made them a shadow of their former selves. But I didn't expect them to loose like that... jeez..

And Miss St... its GT man. GT is a huge pain in everyone's ass. A game against them is always a huge problem because of their bizarre offense and the talent running it.

As for Bama tonight.. I humbly suggest you do a quick search for Ohio State vs the SEC in bowl games... or just look at what Saban has done to Urban Meyer when Meyer didnt have Tebow to save him.

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 9:45 AM  

Josh:
All other sports require you actually win something objective - division, conference, tournament, etc. to qualify for the championship playoffs.

Wrong. There's a selection committee for college basketball.

Yes and no, winning a conference gets a team into ''march madness'' the rest are picked by the committee.
Last two years Harvard made it to ''march madness'' by winning the Ivy League.

Anonymous Banjo January 01, 2015 9:58 AM  

@Nate: GT is a huge pain in everyone's ass.

Yes indeed, and that's just the way we like it :D
Btw, QB Justin Thomas is fast

Anonymous Splash Daddy January 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

Josh - You crack me up. I've been reading this blog for years and it appears you sit at you station all day just waiting to find something to argue about.

The NCAA basketball tournament selection committee determines at large bids and seeds only. Conference tournament champions receive automatic bids. Win it and you are in. That would be an example of a clearly defined objective criterion.

Anonymous Salt January 01, 2015 10:06 AM  

As far as having a National playoff for #1, I say make the two teams be those with the hottest cheerleaders.

Blogger J Curtis January 01, 2015 10:06 AM  

Happy New Year to all the Dread Ilk.

@ VD, in case you change your mind, Minnesota is playing against Missouri in the Citrus Bowl today @ 1 PM EST on ABC Network.

For football fans, Why Jim Harbaugh left the NFL

Blogger J Curtis January 01, 2015 10:10 AM  

I miss the bowls

Here was the watershed moment for college bowls IMO...

The game (1987 Fiesta Bowl) was carried by NBC, per their contract to carry the Fiesta Bowl, and was the most watched college football game in history to that point (and remains the most watched college football game in history as of 2013). The ratings record is one that may never be broken, considering college football ratings have dropped since the major postseason games switched to pay television in 2011...

Miami vastly out gained Penn State on the field, 445 yards to 162, with 22 first downs compared to the Nittany Lions' 8. However, the Hurricanes were hampered by 7 turnovers, including 5 interceptions of the Heisman-winning Testaverde
Link

Anonymous Slash Daddy January 01, 2015 10:12 AM  

Nate - IIRC, the last time they played, didn't Saban put Meyer in the hospital and chased him out of the SEC?

And yes LSU was robbed but they have no one to blame but themselves - it should not have been that close

Blogger Clint January 01, 2015 10:28 AM  

I am still pissed that the SouthWest Conference was dissolved so my team (Univ of Texas) could be added to the Big 8 (now the Big 12, though there is no longer 12 teams in the conference). The whole organization of college football is a mess now. Not that it would have made any difference this year for us. UT sucked.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

"Win it and you are in. That would be an example of a clearly defined objective criterion."

Do explain why winning the Pac10 and the SEC is the same as winning the MAC.

Anonymous x January 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

The solution is to create a Promotion/Relegation system for college football. (similar to pro soccer in Europe.)

Create a "super conference" of top 20 schools... existing or new conferences could be arranged in Tiers below, with top teams promoted and losing teams relagated each season.

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 10:32 AM  

Personally I think they keep the conference identity, but got to a tiered promotion/relegation system. That way the best teams have to play each other to win their respective divisions title, and the up and comers actually have the ability to raise their stock and be recognized. Since its based on records against commensurate teams there's no voted ranks or ability to schedule the cupcake teams, so a team will actually have to prove dynasty, not have it voted on.

Anonymous monkeyboy January 01, 2015 10:34 AM  

any hockey fans watching Winter Classic today? Go Caps, happy new year!

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 10:34 AM  

X you beat me to it.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:35 AM  

The only problem with the playoff is there aren't enough teams in it. Something akin to the NFL with the Big Time Conference champions getting a bye.

ACC, SEC, Pac10, Big1G, Big12 champs get auto bids. the rest are picked via committee. 8 to 12 teams would be sufficient to get all the 1 loss and undefeated teams... and maybe the best of the 2 loss teams as well.

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 10:38 AM  

J Curtis
including 5 interceptions of the Heisman-winning Testaverde
Most overrated QB ever. I bet Vox fondly remembers Vikings players picking him off twice a year ;)

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:41 AM  

"The solution is to create a Promotion/Relegation system for college football. (similar to pro soccer in Europe.)"

So you're saying we should have promoted FSU to the SEC last year?

Blogger 8to12 January 01, 2015 10:46 AM  

Agree 100%. I liked the old, old system. I followed the SEC. I rooted for my team to win the conference championship, because that was the big prize. I watched the Sugar Bowl (and rooted for whichever SEC team was in it) and I watched any games other SEC teams were in (and rooted for the SEC team).

I'm sure others who rooted for other conferences felt the same way.

Now it's like...who cares? It's all about the one big ring (the national championship). The other bowl games aren't even played for pride. They're just a joke. Why watch.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box January 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

Excellent analysis that sums it up for me, too.
The current BCS is BS.

Anonymous Natem January 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

Very funny Nate. I'd say create a separate tier and let teams keep the regional conference identity. That way you can actually compare conference by how many teams are in Premiere, Tier 2, etc. No more claims of too to bottom higher quality since they'd all be playing their own caliber. And even if teams weren't initially placed right it'd shake out over time

Blogger 8to12 January 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

As far as ESPN goes...

ESPN is the only thing that keeps cord-cutters in check. If it wasn't for live sports, I suspect cable TV would have died a long time ago. I know several people who have cable (and pay $100 a month for it) just so they can live sports.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:53 AM  

"I'm sure others who rooted for other conferences felt the same way. "

Actually they don't. The conference loyalty thing is not exclusively SEC but no other conference has it even remotely to the degree the SEC does. You would never for example hear a "BEE ONE GEE! BEE ONE GEE!" chant. Ohio State fans are never going to hope Michigan wins its bowl game. Wisconsin fans are never going to hope Nebraska wins their bowl game.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:54 AM  

"The other bowl games aren't even played for pride."

They really never have been. Ya know in the old days teams didn't even play their starters in the bowl games. The bowl games were just a party. Who win was literally meaningless.

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 10:55 AM  

"Very funny Nate. I'd say create a separate tier and let teams keep the regional conference identity. That way you can actually compare conference by how many teams are in Premiere, Tier 2, etc. No more claims of too to bottom higher quality since they'd all be playing their own caliber. And even if teams weren't initially placed right it'd shake out over time"

We could accomplish the same thing by just seperating out the SEC and letting it form its own pro-league.

And hey... that way you other people could go back to hoping to win a national title again!

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 11:01 AM  

The SEC West is making a pretty poor argument for that so far.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 01, 2015 11:02 AM  

But a playoff? A real playoff? That is a dream come true.

From now on when I read one of Nate's posts...I'm picturing the Dr Pepper guy from the TV ads.


EVERYONE GET OFF VOX'S LAWN!!!

Agreed.

FSU/Oregon and Bama/OSU are pretty stout New Years Day games.

Fear the Spear!
Roll Tide!

Anonymous lurker1 January 01, 2015 11:02 AM  

Nates comments summed up: " I wack off to the SEC"... repetitive and boring.

Anonymous Harsh January 01, 2015 11:05 AM  

I just wish I could buy all the Ilk a drink after OSU upsets Bama. It's going to be exciting.

Blogger DaveofSpades January 01, 2015 11:09 AM  

I'm about done with sports. The NBA playoffs, the MLB playoffs, the NHL playoffs, a HUGE chunk of March Madness, all the college bowl games and virtually all local teams games are CABLE ONLY. I don't have cable. I don't want cable. I'm not paying $100+/month for the privilege of watching pampered thugs play a kids game. I'd like to watch it but I'm not paying to.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis January 01, 2015 11:11 AM  

Who cares about minor league football anyway?

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 11:12 AM  

"Nates comments summed up: " I wack off to the SEC"... repetitive and boring."


whaaa!!!! I am a yankee with a suspect college football team!!! WHAAA!!!

Anonymous Splash Daddy January 01, 2015 11:13 AM  

Nate - I agree that the disparity among the conferences is a big issue. The former BCS "AQ" and current "Power 5" conferences acknowledge this. I believe the only way to deal with this and keep all the conferences in the mix is to have enough at large bids to allow all conference champs plus a few at large selections. Also, and I say this as a fan of a Big 12 team, all the conferences need a championship game that serves as a de facto playoff game.

Otherwise a tiered system which may cause more problems than it is worth. The SEC is damn near its own tier now.

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 11:21 AM  

Even if you started the top tier with with the top half of the sec and filled the rest with OSU, FSU, Oregon, TCU and other high ranked teams, you'd see all but 1-2 sec teams sink to the bottom or relegated within sever years. Bowl performance bears out that LSU, ole Miss, miss st and Auburn aren't better than everyone else's best like SEC Homers like to think

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 11:21 AM  

Natem:
Very funny Nate. I'd say create a separate tier and let teams keep the regional conference identity.
Not sure about that either. In 2010 the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks really did not belong in the NFL playoffs (or the 7-8-1 Carolina Panthers now).
There should be a ''if your whole division is garbage, you don't rate a playoff game'' rule.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 01, 2015 11:23 AM  

Now, I no longer even watch college football on New Years Day. I don't know who is playing in the bowls, and I don't care.

Well there is 35 bowl games now.

The Outback Bowl

The Citrus Bowl

The Pinstripe Bowl

The Kinesiology Sounds Scientific Bowl

The Ironic Hipster Bowl presented by Pabst

The Off-Field Incident Bowl presented by Bad Boyz Bail Bonds

Anonymous trk January 01, 2015 11:25 AM  

There are too many bowl games. Today should be the last day of college games. I like the playoff but those games should be done earlier. I miss having all the games on new years eve and day

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 11:26 AM  

"Bowl performance bears out that LSU, ole Miss, miss st and Auburn aren't better than everyone else's best like SEC Homers like to think"

Bowl Performance is an unreliable metric. Bowls are won by the team that actually gives a damn.

In many cases... one team is on auto pilot. They just don't care. I'll site tweets after the Oklahoma vs Alabama bowl last year... there Bama players tweeting after the game "who cares? we aren't supposed to be playing in this meaningless game anyway."

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 11:29 AM  

Losing cause they don't care, the sign of a true champion

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 11:32 AM  

But if actual games against other conferences not the FCS are unreliable, you understand how any non sec fan might not believe the circuitous logic of "this sec team is good because it played that sec team"

Blogger Nate January 01, 2015 11:32 AM  

NateM they're kids. Besides.. They are right. The bowls mean less than NFL preseason games. Why should they care?

Anonymous Salt January 01, 2015 11:40 AM  

I just wish I could buy all the Ilk a drink after OSU upsets Bama

I accept checks or postal money orders. A bar I frequent would even take a CC over the phone. Just say'in. ;-)

Blogger YIH January 01, 2015 11:43 AM  

Cataline Sergius:
Citrus Bowl
At least that one has some tradition behind it.
I actually feel sorry for those who attend that game, even with the renovation that is a crappy place for a football game.
In 'da 'hood, miles away from parking, just like the Orange Bowl before it relocated to Sun Life Stadium.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo January 01, 2015 11:46 AM  

I'm glad you brought this up. Been thinking on this for years now as I watch less and less college and football in general. Games are not nearly as packed for the bowls and I've noticed that most of the bigger programs mail it in if they are not in an elite bowl game (Bama, LSU,OK,etc.) There are three things at play of which two are not fixable under this system:

1) Americans are not that motivated by minor leagues, second rate teams/players, or exhibition games.

Our main minor leagues in this country are minor league baseball, one of many bball leagues, and essentially college football. The first two from a fan/business standpoint do nothing like its pro counterparts. Until very recently, most people have seen college football as a distinct entity from pros and a closed talent system so it was still the "best" of that age group etc. So whereas in England and even Europe as a whole the lower leagues of football have huge amounts of fans, in this country a league has to be perceived as the best to have a huge draw. Failing this perceived superiority the stakes MUST be seen as high and infrequent (hence important). Think LLWS or March Madness.

This brings us to point 2

2)The advent of the BCS Championship game and now further increasing the problem with two playoff games has caused many fans to see the other bowls as irrelevant.

I live in Nashville but am from Louisiana. I am also Catholic and love ND. There was a perfect match of LSU-ND in the Music City Bowl 15 miles from my house. I missed the game, but caught chunks on tv. No one was there. If this was played regular season anywhere this would have been 500 dollar ticket time, but no one cared this time. LSU didn't and no one was really pissed when they lost. Why? Regular season games matter, playoffs matter. This was a sheer money grab that none of the teams really cared about, so neither do fans.

The point is all of the bowls save for the top 2 are now effectively exhibition games. Unless you are Vandy or some horrible team, making the Cow Patty Dried Foods and Scrap Metal Bowl is a joke.

3) Finally SEC dominance will only be made WORSE by the plus 1. Fans outside of the south are increasingly becoming bored like VD because it's basically SEC and then 2nd rate. At least come title time which is all that matters in modern college football. What do you think happens when now when the SEC will quite likely send two behemouths every year? Simple. More SEC dominance is assured, while fan interest nationwide plummets.

Anonymous Stilicho January 01, 2015 11:57 AM  

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Anonymous lurker1 January 01, 2015 12:01 PM  

"More SEC dominance is assured, while fan interest nationwide plummets." but Nate gets more stroke material. All that matters.

Blogger WarKicker January 01, 2015 12:09 PM  

"As for Bama tonight.. I humbly suggest you do a quick search for Ohio State vs the SEC in bowl games... or just look at what Saban has done to Urban Meyer when Meyer didnt have Tebow to save him."

I predict some chest pains and esophageal spasms for Urban tonight. It hurts me to say this but, Roll Tide!

Anonymous Stilicho January 01, 2015 12:11 PM  

What do you think happens when now when the SEC will quite likely send two behemouths every year?

2nd place in the SEC comes with a mulligan?

Anonymous NateM January 01, 2015 12:21 PM  

I guess Auburn decided beating Wisconsin wasn't important?

Blogger pate357 January 01, 2015 12:33 PM  

My family were fans of Ohio State. If we beat Michigan, won the Big 10 and won the Rose Bowl, we were deliriously happy. Nobody gave a shit about polls or "National Championships." Now nobody gives a shit about anything other than the "National Championship." They rooned it.

Blogger jimmy-jimbo January 01, 2015 12:49 PM  

I like the playoffs. They are a necessary part of the Bowls and now the Rose Bowl is the semi-championship bowl

The bowls still serve as a predictor of next year's ranking and gives the fans something to enjoy during the slow Holiday period. I have ESPN as part of my bundle package with Verizon so it isn't costing me too much more.

Blogger Breadbasket January 01, 2015 1:04 PM  

I don't watch college anywhere. It lost me when they started dragging games past Jan. 1, thus killing a tradition for decades.

Blogger Retrenched January 01, 2015 1:14 PM  

So many great rivalries and traditions flushed down the toilet like they never existed. Serves them right to lose audience.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami January 01, 2015 1:21 PM  

Vincent Castrillo: " 1) Americans are not that motivated by minor leagues, second rate teams/players, or exhibition games."

This is one reason why the American negroes, who claim to be superior affletes, claim that Babe Ruth's records should be axterixed because he didn't compete against negroes, and complain that they are underrepresented in MLB, have yet to rekickstart the old Negro League to showcase their "superiority."

And why they'll never split from the NBA to form their own NBA, even if a Donald Sterlingsteen owned every team.

OpenID cailcorishev January 01, 2015 1:23 PM  

The only problem with the playoff is there aren't enough teams in it.

Yeah, if they're going to have a playoff and claim that it has something to do with crowning the "best" team, they're going to have to go to 8, at least. With 4, there's too good a chance that team #5 will look like it could have been a legitimate threat to win the whole thing, especially if 1-4 don't impress in the end.

I don't think that would be as likely with 8 teams. There would be some crying from fans of #9, just as there are from bubble teams in basketball every year, but I don't think you'd get too many people arguing that #9 was legitimately the best and would have been a serious threat to win.

Not that I can bring myself to care much. Like DaveofSpades, I don't/won't have cable, which means the NCAA doesn't want me to watch the bowl games anyway.

Anonymous Anarchopurplism January 01, 2015 1:25 PM  

MN Golden Gophers playing 1st New Years Day bowl game in 40 some years.

1st 2 college football playoff games on later today.

Best slate of college football than I can remember

OpenID cailcorishev January 01, 2015 1:39 PM  

2)The advent of the BCS Championship game and now further increasing the problem with two playoff games has caused many fans to see the other bowls as irrelevant.

That's true, and yet it's completely illogical. Most bowls never did have anything to do with crowning the #1 team. At most, the games featuring #1 and #2 in the poll might have some effect on the final voting, but none of the other bowls did. They were always exhibition games.

Today, #16 (Missouri) is playing #25 (Minnesota) in the Citrus Bowl. Yes, that's irrelevant to the championship, but it always would have been. And yet people would have cared a lot more about it 20 years ago.

I think you're right, though: just the existence of a playoff makes the non-playoff games seem cheaper somehow, even though that makes no sense.

Blogger Retrenched January 01, 2015 1:44 PM  

That must be why my Sooners got destroyed by Clemson. Yeah.

Anonymous FP January 01, 2015 1:57 PM  

I don't watch much sports and haven't for years so I didn't know that most games are on espn/cable now. Makes sense that would affect audience numbers. I stopped taking the BCS seriously over ten years ago after watching them screw over many teams (especially those in the pac-10) who deserved a better shot. My favorite moment of revenge was watching the Beavers slaughter Notre Dame in the 2001 fiesta bowl. The BCS put Notre Dame in there for viewership/revenue.

Anonymous Will Best January 01, 2015 2:11 PM  

The only reason to have a college playoff is to get better scouting reports for the NFL draft. It shit all over traditional rivalries.

My family wasn't so big on all college football, but we did bust out the midwest pride every year for the Rose Bowl, as much of my family graduated from Illinois, Northwestern and Wisconsin. The old timers would all talk about the various Rose Bowls they attended, and deride each other's alma mater for failing to win this or that one.

I had the honor of attending the 2001 Rose Bowl which was the last year it kept its Pac/Big 10 championship rivalry before its commitments to the BCS forced it to lose its soul. If I were to compile a top 25 list on my life it would be in there despite Drew Brees only completing 50% of his passes and our defenses complete and total inability to stop Washington's run game

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Not sure about that either. In 2010 the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks really did not belong in the NFL playoffs (or the 7-8-1 Carolina Panthers now).
There should be a ''if your whole division is garbage, you don't rate a playoff game'' rule.


Well the rules are what they are. And you can't change them because you think they are silly. Case in point. If you think the NFCS should forfeit its playoff spot for crap play, then the AFCN should forfeit 2 of its 3 playoff teams as well because the only reason they got both WC is because they got to pile on wins against the NFCS and AFCS. The Ravens have a .500 conference record FFS.


And the 7-9 Seahawks put up 41 points on the Saints before getting manhandled by Chicago. Carolina, likewise, will be well situated to deal with the Cardinals.

Anonymous Baseball Savant January 01, 2015 2:14 PM  

"Actually they don't. The conference loyalty thing is not exclusively SEC but no other conference has it even remotely to the degree the SEC does. You would never for example hear a "BEE ONE GEE! BEE ONE GEE!" chant. Ohio State fans are never going to hope Michigan wins its bowl game. Wisconsin fans are never going to hope Nebraska wins their bowl game."

This is true. I'm in the heart of B1G country and fuck all the other teams in the conference outside of the Indiana Hoosiers! I wish IU could go 33-0 in basketball every year while the rest of the B1G teams go 0-28. Screw 'em all I say. Literally I'd love to watch Purdue & Ohio St. & Illinois & Wisconsin burn to the ground. With that being said, I will root for some other B1G teams in football. I like Michigan OK and I really like Mark Dantonio so I root for Michigan State. I also root for Iowa football for some odd reason, but that's about it. The hell with the rest of them though.

With basketball though there is nothing but hatred for everyone else. But that extends towards ALL basketball programs. And maybe that is just Indiana fans too with regards to basketball. Nate is right in that there certainly isn't conference loyalty but I will say that when it comes to football I would like Indiana to be good (they suck) but I'll root for other B1G teams......just not a lot of them.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2015 2:15 PM  

That's true, and yet it's completely illogical. Most bowls never did have anything to do with crowning the #1 team.

Way back when, none did, so you watched a bowl for the conference rivalry, or just the pageantry. But now that some bowl games matter for a title, and now that the conference bowl rivalries are long dead, who cares about most of them?

I think the conference rivalries were a bigger thing than people realized, and the massive upheaval in conference affiliation is part of the decline. I'm not sure I even know or care how many teams are in the PAC, but I was a huge PAC-8 fan as a kid.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2015 2:25 PM  

The only reason to have a college playoff is to get better scouting reports for the NFL draft. It shit all over traditional rivalries.

My family wasn't so big on all college football, but we did bust out the midwest pride every year for the Rose Bowl, as much of my family graduated from Illinois, Northwestern and Wisconsin. The old timers would all talk about the various Rose Bowls they attended, and deride each other's alma mater for failing to win this or that one.


Yep, that's so true. I'm a west coast kid so the PAC-8 was our gig and the Rose Bowl was huge. It was so important for the PAC-8 to win, I would even root for USC if they went. And I've heard old time Cougs claim to have rooted for the Huskies in the Rose Bowl while their younger peers look on in disgust.

Anonymous liljoe January 01, 2015 2:38 PM  

and then you have to win the tournament

Blogger Vincent Castrillo January 01, 2015 3:27 PM  

caicor---

"I think you're right, though: just the existence of a playoff makes the non-playoff games seem cheaper somehow, even though that makes no sense."

This. Thanks for clarifying my thoughts. Since we are so accustomed to a playoff deciding things in our sports we naturally see the other bowls as mere filler/exhibition. Whereas before it seemed more festive and fun from a novelty perspective and then one of the best teams were crowned by pollsters.

So instead of a lot of novel holiday games where say Ohio St.plays USC or LSU plays Oklahoma and at the end the media makes a pick for the record books, we now have the dispiriting certainty that your team will not be champ AND the game is completely irrelevant because...playoffs say so.

Think of it this way. Carolina made the playoffs this year at 7-8-1 after being a ridiculous 3-8-1. Philly, Houston, Buffalo clearly are better but know their season is over due to missing playoffs. If it were college they would get to play more games for the sole reason of making large gates for the NCAA while the real playoffs commence.

Who would care? Hence where we are.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo January 01, 2015 3:37 PM  

oh and I meant cailcorishev in that last reply.

As for the conference solidarity, might it imply two larger issues in society. The Midwest is now overrun by a ton of hipsters, old white bubble people, and SJW Churchianity types that rarely ever experience diversity. They stomp on their own more readily in favor of the distant other. In the South we still see each other in many ways as kin people. Certainly not family,but close enough.

During the season we have fierce rivalries, but come bowl season we see other SEC members as representing an ethos of sorts, despite how silly it is.

Now I certainly don't go in for the whole SEC chants and silliness. Perhaps Nate does but I don't speak for him. However, he does have a point. Liberals will yell and excuse andflat out lie in the face of overwhelming data and reality. Winning 7 of 8 of the last titles (and admittedly Auburn should have coasted after being up big on FSU) generally tends to prove one's point on that conferences superiority. But of course every year people vomit out "oh well Miss St. lost its bowl game so Bama and LSU suck. Bet on ND or Texas or whatever"

I laugh when I get bet way better odds on the SEC rep because 80% of the country wants them to fail. Made 3K taking Bama over ND at -9.5. Laughed after first quarter.

Anonymous jack January 01, 2015 3:38 PM  

And, its ESPN that purchased all the bowl games. What of the many who cannot afford cable? Or, the ones like me, that have rebelled against 60 to 100 dollars or more per month for 300 to 400 channels of crap? Every time I ever interfaced with the cable and direct tv people I ranted and advised that the first of them of offer a la carte channel for a decent price, say a dollar a channel, would own the satellite and ground cable delivery world. Of course, they don't bother to listen since, most probably, that would leave all the gay/lesbian/ anti christian sources out in the cold. God forbid that. And, where and how would the anti-Christian idiots get their message out? msnbc? I don't think so.
Anyway, I dropped direct about a year ago after along association and they keep sending me better and better offers to come back. I expect anyday now to be offered 25% of the company; just resign; please.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo January 01, 2015 3:43 PM  

The point being (and hence the liberal comparison) is that at what point do the SEC deniers??? have to meet some level of an actual argument? It's not even close in the actual titles department. Do they have to win 20 in a row? How about every non conference game including Vandy?

Hate all you want, dislike teams in the SEC, it's all good fun, but you sound like a sockpuppet continuing to say well no one really knows which conference is best or has the best elite teams. It's silly. Using bowl games as comparisons when clearly most of the top SEC teams only care about title games doesn't help you either.

The scary thing is that the playoff system now almost guarantees an SEC champ as you will routinely see two reps from that conference as opposed to a one off FSU over Auburn close win.

What are the odds that an Ohio State or FSU or even Oregon beat LSU then Bama back to back in any given year??

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 3:49 PM  

This thread reminds me of "gamers" telling gamers that their games are wrong.

Blogger rcocean January 01, 2015 3:58 PM  

They might as well go to a 16 team playoff since its the only way people will start to care about the minor bowls again. As it is, only the 3 Bowls involved in the 4 team playoff are important. BTW, most of your cable TV dollar goes to pay for sports programming, so you'd better start watching it.

Blogger buzzardist January 01, 2015 3:58 PM  

I agree, Vox. Bowl games were more fun when they were bowls, each mattering on its own. With some bowl or another deemed the national championship, all of the other bowls matter less. Now that the NCAA has buckled and gone with a playoff, they may as well drop all the major bowl games, expand the playoff field to 16 teams, and do a long playoff series, leaving the remaining bowl-eligible teams to play some meaningless, NIT-like bowl games.

The other reason for declining viewership is that everything is now locked up on ESPN. Don't have cable? No bowl games for you. Between the non-cable viewers lost and and the cable viewers who now have myriad other options, the bowl audience is declining.

Blogger rcocean January 01, 2015 4:00 PM  

I liked the old days better too, when the Rose bowl, Sugar, Cotton, and Orange bowls really had some great match-ups. The Sugar Bowl with ND and Alabama in the 70s was a classic.

Blogger buzzardist January 01, 2015 4:00 PM  

That said, it was fun watching Wisconsin beat Auburn just now and watching Boise State beat Arizona yesterday. SEC and Pac-12 swagger still intact?

Anonymous Soviet of Washington January 01, 2015 4:05 PM  

The dread ilk may find this SI article on the economics of sports cable interesting...

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2014/12/17/future-cable-sports-tv

Was watching the Winter Classic, but even that's gone stale now that they have it in 'warm' weather places like DC.

Blogger James Dixon January 01, 2015 4:43 PM  

> But a real college football playoff is precisely what the sport needed.

Agreed. But the sooner they go to 8 teams the better. Of course, if the Big 10 or SEC had gotten shafted instead of the Big 12, that would already be happening.

> What's to brag about finishing 7-6?

You'd have to ask Dana Holgorsen about that.

> TCU should have been in the playoffs.

Yep. But there's only room for four. Did anyone really expect the Big 10 to lose out to the Big 12?

Get to 8 teams and take the conference champions of the 8 top rated conferences and be done with it. Sure the SEC team will kill the MAC team 99.9% of the time. But at least everyone will be able to prove it on the field.

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 01, 2015 5:48 PM  

First attempt of the new year of having a comment not posted. This should be fun.

I detest pro football and if they are in charge of anything it's their own demise. College is still a way better product (if you like football) and although they're working on killing it, so far it's OK. ESPN is the devil, and God knows I've watched it too damn much over the years. But now we have SJWs with too fucking much power and like women everywhere they will ruin everything they touch. What you're talking about is rivalries, and the NFL has all it can to get rid of rivalries in order to create interest in it's play off system. Now, stupidly, the NCAA is trying to do the same thing. I agree with the part about bowl games of the past. Can't agree that the NFL is in charge of anything but their own demise and their TV numbers are down. College football would be wise not to emulate the NFL in any way, shape or form.

OpenID cailcorishev January 01, 2015 6:09 PM  

Maybe you serious college football fans can explain something that's puzzled me this year. Every time I watch a college game, they switch the camera to the head coach a lot, on practically every offensive play at least. I keep seeing a girl standing behind him, always a white girl, pretty in a plain sort of way, always with long straight hair pulled back, generally dishwater blonde (today I saw a redhead), wearing the team colors. I've never seen her do anything, but since the coaches move up and down the sideline a lot, she must be assigned to stay right there with him. What's her job, and why does it seem to be girls-only?

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 01, 2015 6:25 PM  

She's managing his electronics and paperwork, charts, and such. She's got to stay with him at every second so he's not wasting any time looking for stuff.

Anonymous VD January 01, 2015 6:29 PM  

This thread reminds me of "gamers" telling gamers that their games are wrong.

The correct gaming analogy would be to ex-gamers explaining why they don't like to play games anymore.

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 6:39 PM  

What's her job, and why does it seem to be girls-only?

Probably either a student manager or a coaches' daughter/niece.

OpenID cailcorishev January 01, 2015 6:44 PM  

ENthePeasant, thanks. I figured it was something like that, and I suppose some sort of affirmative action explains why it always seems to be a girl. The thing that jumped out at me as weird, after seeing several of them, is that they all look so much alike. Now every time I watch a game, I'm thinking, "There she is again!"

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 01, 2015 6:46 PM  

The Cotton Bowl was awesome!!!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 01, 2015 7:12 PM  

I suppose some sort of affirmative action explains why it always seems to be a girl.

The exception that proves the rule.

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 01, 2015 7:12 PM  

"Now every time I watch a game, I'm thinking, "There she is again!""

It's really important that she stay close. It's a dirty little secret, one that coaches only talk amongst themselves about... but girls do the job and don't really care about the game too much. When you need stuff time is often of the essence and it's hard to keep it all in your head and as the game progresses you have to know how you planned your "situational responses". Coaching is really stressful and there's very few Bob Ladouceurs in teh world who can keep it all in their head and not get emotionally involved with the game. Those girls are important.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 01, 2015 8:16 PM  

Both the NFL and NCAA have abandoned this fan since I refuse most pay for TV programming. I do have Netflix, but no dish or cable or other upay subscription required to view ESPN or the NFL or Longhorn networks, so I won't be watching most bowl games unless they happen to be on local broadcast or I'm hanging out at a sports bar etc.

Even when a game happens to be available via broadcast I rarely give my total attention. It's usually on as background noise as I occasionally check the score and maybe watch a play or two. I'm just not all that interested anymore.

There are always better ways to spend my life.....I won't shed a single tear.....

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2015 9:36 PM  

See? A team from Florida has no business in the Rose Bowl.

Blogger Josh January 01, 2015 9:40 PM  

That was the most awesome game this season.

Anonymous RedJack January 01, 2015 10:39 PM  

I watched my team play (Nebraska), because I grew up going to the games with my Dad. But overall I am losing interest with football. The whole NFL chasing the SJW has left a bad taste in my mouth, and have the Big 8 become the Big 12, followed by Nebraska leaving for the Big 10, just made me more cynical than before.

Anonymous Harsh January 01, 2015 11:21 PM  

OH-IO!

Anonymous Harsh January 01, 2015 11:35 PM  

Go Bucks!

Blogger jimmy-jimbo January 01, 2015 11:35 PM  

Looking less likely champion will be SEC.

Anonymous Harsh January 01, 2015 11:56 PM  

Hey, it's a good game and that's what counts. Kind of a win-win for the Bucks.They lose, it's expected but if they win, it's a great upset.

Anonymous NateM January 02, 2015 12:06 AM  

Beating Bama is a shocker for most who believe they're invincible. Beating them on a 3rd string QB? Well Id expect the SEC hampsters to be spinning in the AM

Anonymous Will Best January 02, 2015 12:08 AM  

Look how foolish those Rose Bowl peeps are. Could have just had OSU v. Oregon outright instead of dealing with those upstart conferences that don't even have 100 years of history.

Anonymous NateM January 02, 2015 12:08 AM  

Hamsters*

Anonymous Harsh January 02, 2015 12:26 AM  

I'm trying not to gloat but this is turning out to be epic.

Anonymous farmer Tom January 02, 2015 12:30 AM  

Got out of bed to get a drink of water. Turned on the game to see how bad the Ohio State was getting thumped, just in time to see an 85 yard TD run. Ouch!!!!!

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 12:39 AM  

Urban Meyer needs to chat with his therapist a bit more before games like this.

Blogger Retrenched January 02, 2015 12:44 AM  

So I guess Alabama didnt want to be in the Sugar Bowl this year either.

Anonymous Harsh January 02, 2015 12:44 AM  

Wow, great game. Congrats to the Bucks of course, but well played on both sides.

Anonymous DrTorch January 02, 2015 12:49 AM  

What excuse will Nate use this time? SEC obviously can't handle midwest football.

Just think how bad it would have been if they played in cold weather.

Blogger Josh January 02, 2015 12:56 AM  

Dammit Alabama.

RIP Lane Kiffin.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 02, 2015 12:57 AM  

Best. Big Ten day. EVAR!

I was gonna tell SEC Nate to eat a bowl of dicks, but that goes against the letter and spirit of the comment rules. So, Nate, enjoy a delicious chocolate buckeye.

Hey, Harsh..... O-H!

Anonymous Porky January 02, 2015 12:57 AM  

Hey SEC...how about a nice cup of shutup?

Anonymous Porky January 02, 2015 12:59 AM  

Hey Harsh....did you call the score? Pretty close IIRC...

Anonymous Harsh January 02, 2015 12:59 AM  

I-O!

Anonymous Harsh January 02, 2015 1:00 AM  

Hey Harsh....did you call the score? Pretty close IIRC...

Pretty close, right? I think I called 42-38.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 1:01 AM  

Nate's excuse is obvious: he drew off way too much 'Bama mojo this year, which explains his improbable dual championship in VPFL and commenting. After all, he had to spell his name correctly very consistently in order to achieve the latter.

Anonymous Porky January 02, 2015 1:12 AM  

The best part is that Bama lost to a third string QB with an IQ of like 80 who had hardly ever played.


Anonymous Jack Amok January 02, 2015 1:18 AM  

Just when I've written off bowl games, we get this gift...

Blogger Nate January 02, 2015 1:27 AM  

Congrats Harsh. State played a good game. Both coaching staffs did some really dumb things. Blake Sims was goddamn atrocious. Osu earned it.

Blogger Nate January 02, 2015 1:28 AM  

Porky.. If he has an iq of 80 he has 20 points on Blake sims

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 02, 2015 1:31 AM  

@ Daniel regarding Urban Meyer's therapist.

Naw, this is Ohio State, a program eternally haunted by the ghost of Woody Hayes. If a coach doesn't throw stuff in bowl games, he's just not taking his job seriously enough.

Anonymous Harsh January 02, 2015 1:33 AM  

Congrats Harsh. State played a good game. Both coaching staffs did some really dumb things. Blake Sims was goddamn atrocious. Osu earned it.

Thanks, Nate. I appreciate that. It was a good game all around.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 1:39 AM  

Naw, this is Ohio State, a program eternally haunted by the ghost of Woody Hayes. If a coach doesn't throw stuff in bowl games, he's just not taking his job seriously enough.

Oh, I was referring to his insane decision at the time to throw it on 1st down with clock to eat.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 1:44 AM  

Blake Sims is a fairly bad qb, and was the primary reason why I thought 'Bama would lose this one. Frankly, I thought he was why they wouldn't even make it to the tournament, but Arkansas and LSU froze when they should have attacked him. He really can't beat an complex aggressive attack, even if the opposing team isn't particularly talented.

I'm not sure why they didn't tag that other guy (can't even remember his name now) who transferred there.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 02, 2015 1:45 AM  

Yeah, that was borderline retarded.

Anonymous DrTorch January 02, 2015 8:07 AM  

The best part is that Bama lost to a third string QB with an IQ of like 80 who had hardly ever played.

Nah, the best part was Mussberger pointing out that Ryan Kelly was the leader of 'Bama's OL, along with the graphic of where he's from.

'Cause Ohio just doesn't produce enough talent these days.

But more importantly, how bad would it have been for the SEC if they'd played the games in cold weather? #fragileSEC

Blogger Jack Morrow January 02, 2015 8:27 AM  

Thanks for the post and so many of the comments; I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I'm a Canadian who has never followed U.S. college football much, but my parents and I used to enjoy watching the big 4 New Year's Day bowl games in the '70s, especially the Rose Bowl--a nice diversion on a cold Canadian winter day. It was often the same teams in these games every year--the Rose Bowl usually had Ohio State or Michigan against USC or Washington--and by the time the games were over, we knew who the players were, and the names were familiar when they went to the NFL, or, like John Sciarra and Warren Moon, came up to the CFL. Curt Gowdy called the games for NBC then and Keith Jackson did the same for ABC. The Rose Bowl was carried in Canada on CBC in those days.

I started losing interest when they started adding more bowl games, involving teams with .500 records. I haven't watched the bowls for so long that I didn't know that it was now cable-only; I don't have cable, for reasons mentioned by commenters above, so that deals me out. The people in charge don't seem to understand that people like to have certain routines and traditions, and that many of those watching the bowl games on New Year's Day aren't hardcore football fans, but are ordinary people like me who enjoy watching the bowls as a New Year's Day tradition. Since these viewers no longer know which bowls are on which day anymore, it's hard for them to be interested in watching any of them. I agree with the commenters who are critical of they way that traditional rivalries have been destroyed, as well as having the bowl season drag on after January 1.

OpenID cailcorishev January 02, 2015 8:49 AM  

The best part is that Bama lost to a third string QB with an IQ of like 80 who had hardly ever played.

So, with that many IQ points and few blows to the head from sitting on the bench, the smartest guy on the field, right?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 02, 2015 9:06 AM  

Duck hunting:

Ain't nearly as much fun...when the duck has a gun.

Anonymous hooosiertoo January 02, 2015 10:16 AM  

One of the many who don't have cable, don't watch the bowl games and can't stand the rest of the B1G - especially tOSU.
May KW make the Hoosiers relevant, and soon!
OTOH, I generally root for the B1G generically to do well in out-of-conference games, including the bowls.
In basketball, to hell with PUke, pUKe and Duke. Go Hoosiers!

Anonymous Porky January 02, 2015 12:25 PM  

Porky.. If he has an iq of 80 he has 20 points on Blake sims

The clock management in the last minutes was ridiculous. It became clear that Sims isn't able to remember more than a single play at a time in a hurry up.

Still, one of the most memorable Bowl days in recent memory. Even though I also have fine memories of bowl games and Brent Mussberger's voice carrying through the house while mom made cookies - I kinda like the playoff thing.

Blogger Ken January 02, 2015 1:11 PM  

Good work, Ohio! I graduated from the OTHER OSU, and we can't stand U of O for obvious rivalry reasons. Fortunately, now I don't have to swallow my bile and root against Alabama in a Ducks/Tide championship, but can instead root against the Ducks like any good, god-fearing Oregon State University Alumnus.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 02, 2015 6:21 PM  

Any given New Year's Day....Roll(over) Tide!

I also prefer the old school bowl system, but understood when the CFPTB decided to go to the BCS then the playoff system, to appease the complainers who wanted an official championship game (and coincidentally to increase revenue *shhhhhhhh*).

Now it's we old bowl fogies' turn to complain.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Anonymous DrTorch January 02, 2015 8:52 PM  

but can instead root against the Ducks like any good, god-fearing Oregon State University Alumnus.

I respect that sort of hatred. Please note that uofa lost another bowl game and embarrassed themselves. Typical kitties

Anonymous Albert January 03, 2015 12:23 AM  

"I don't even know why I hated... Oklahoma... Michigan... or why I liked... Texas... Ohio State..."

Maybe you could sense the hypocrisy of the former two schools: Oklahoma hates Texas but recruits a ton of its players from Texas and Michigan hates Ohio State but recruits a ton of its players from Ohio.

Blogger Brad Andrews January 04, 2015 11:24 PM  

I thought Oklahoma State was the other OSU, at least that is what is sounds like since I moved to Texas almost 2 decades ago.

OSU is still Ohio State, since I grew up in Columbus, though.

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