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Friday, January 09, 2015

The end of the beginning

The French have taken out all three of the Muslim killers:
French police on Friday killed the two brothers suspected of massacring 12 people at a Paris newspaper on Wednesday and freed a hostage they had been holding unharmed, the authorities said. The police launched a simultaneous raid on a kosher supermarket in Paris where an alleged associate of the brothers was holding an unnamed number of hostages. That hostage taker was also killed, according to a senior French police official, and at least five hostages were freed.
Now that the urgent work is done, it's time for the West to elect nationalist governments and start discussing the best way to encourage their co-religionists to repatriate back to the Dar al-Islam. Steve Sailer put it best:
Westerners and Muslims don’t agree on the basics of social order and don’t want to live under the same rules. That shouldn’t be a problem because that’s what separate countries are for. We should stop occupying their countries and stop letting them move to ours.

To paraphrase E.M. Forster:

“Only disconnect.”
Islam is not compatible with Christendom. It is not compatible with Western traditions and values. It is not compatible with the secular West either. Muslims themselves will tell you this, that's why 40 percent of Muslims resident in Great Britain are seeking to establish Sharia rule over the British. Only disconnect.

It is no longer possible to pretend that multiculturalism is viable. It is no longer possible to pretend that moderate Islam can reform the more fundamentalist forms. It is no longer possible to pretend that we can all get along in one country. That's what separate countries are for.

They should not interfere with us here, and we should stop interfering with how they choose to live over there. The disconnect will take place eventually, the only question that remains is if the process is relatively peaceful or if it is massively violent. Any sane and decent Westerner should actively support the former option.

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Anonymous ModlbugPapist January 09, 2015 11:54 AM  

Executed for their religion. Shameful.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 11:54 AM  

Vox, what are your thoughts on the new Houellebecq novel?

Blogger Robert What? January 09, 2015 11:59 AM  

The French definitely violated their religious freedoms. Their religion tells them to murder non-Muslims, as well as Muslims deemed not "pure" enough. Who are we to judge?

Anonymous John Scalzi's Brain January 09, 2015 12:01 PM  

I apologize for this blog post.

Anonymous VD January 09, 2015 12:04 PM  

Vox, what are your thoughts on the new Houellebecq novel?

I haven't read it, ergo I have none.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 12:09 PM  

I haven't read it, ergo I have none.

That's almost disappointingly honest.

What do you think about his theory that the French left will ally with the Muslims against the National Front?

Blogger Vox January 09, 2015 12:11 PM  

What do you think about his theory that the French left will ally with the Muslims against the National Front?

They already have. But Charlie Hebdo makes it more difficult. It doesn't matter. Front National is going to crush the Socialists in the next election no matter what they do.

Anonymous Not Anon January 09, 2015 12:19 PM  

From a 4gw perspective, the French have missed a golden opportunity to win a moral level battle, and increase optionality. A vert similar scenario was described in Bill Lind's "Victoria".

The suspects shout have been coaxed out with the promise that all crimes would be held under trial under Sharia law, by the authority of their choice in France. If convicted, we would have the exact number of dead we do now, after Sharia court turns them over to the state for the execution of justice. If Sharia approves their behavior, then the peaceful nature of Islam is called into question by even those who defend it now. A "dialogue" would soon emerge.

Blogger dash January 09, 2015 12:20 PM  

Practically, in France, the FN just got about a 25 point boost this week. Expect to see a Sarkozy Presidency in 2016 with a UMP/FN government. The moderate right will use the FN to do the dirty work of taking back sovereignty of the suburbs of Paris, Marseilles, Lille, etc., keeping their own hands 'politically clean', while the extremists clean the sewers, so to speak.

Will there be deportations? More likely a tightening of residency permits. Many of the troublemakers are already second generation French. Difficult to deport citizens, even those with alien allegiances.

Anonymous Viidad January 09, 2015 12:24 PM  

"Difficult to deport citizens, even those with alien allegiances."

This is where ground-level pressure makes things happen.

Blogger FALPhil January 09, 2015 12:28 PM  

How do we accelerate the process?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 12:29 PM  

"Difficult to deport citizens, even those with alien allegiances."

This is where ground-level pressure makes things happen.


Just make it mandatory for all French residents to eat pork products every day.

Not only would you rid France of the Muslims, you'd also rid them of kosher Jews, vegetarians, and vegans.

Anonymous takin' a look January 09, 2015 12:30 PM  

I've been reading up on Carol Valentine at Blog_of_blogs.

Some food for thought for the false flag crowd. The same "je suis Charlie" slogan pops up in demonstrations all over Europe and the eastern seaboard within hours of each other. Of course in this day of instant communications....still, it's....odd.

What is the play here? Why didn't we have this sort of crap going on during the 2007-2011 era? Or if we did, why is it NOW that we have a "tipping point"? Wouldn't internecine strive have made more sense during the bad years when the economy tanked? Not that it is great now obviously, but it was during the early Great Recession (2005-2009) that immigration tended to pick up steam and....I don't know, I just can't shake the feeling there is a huge colossal mind-fuck going on here.

We the natives of the White West never asked for any of this malarkey, yet we are gonna get it good and hard.

Anonymous nil January 09, 2015 12:30 PM  

you've claimed that there's still an opportunity for the western/muslim segregation to be done peacefully with deportations rather than extreme violence and ethnic cleansing. IYO what's the point where a peaceful solution is impossible? When the Muslim population hits 25%? 50%? Some other measure?

Blogger dash January 09, 2015 12:32 PM  

"This is where ground-level pressure makes things happen."

Yes, but fighting a socialist press that will scream daily "My God! This is worse than Vichy!"

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 12:34 PM  

What is the play here? Why didn't we have this sort of crap going on during the 2007-2011 era? Or if we did, why is it NOW that we have a "tipping point"?

I would assume because twelve people were murdered and they weren't part of the anti immigration movement.

Wouldn't internecine strive have made more sense during the bad years when the economy tanked?

The economy hasn't recovered nearly as much as reported. Especially Europe, which is still an economic mess.

Anonymous Earl January 09, 2015 12:38 PM  

Vox, I thought you were out of the election prediction business?!

Anonymous Salt January 09, 2015 12:42 PM  

Any sane and decent Westerner should actively support the former option

Seems the invaders are actively making that choice for us. As a paper put it yesterday, Islam in the West is irreversible. My understanding of that was, unless violence. When has Islam ever peaceably retreated?

Anonymous JP January 09, 2015 12:46 PM  

"what's the point where a peaceful solution is impossible? When the Muslim population hits 25%? 50%? Some other measure?"

Read FItna. Geert Wilders goes into great details about what to expect and what needs to be done as muslim populations increase.

Anonymous Anonymous January 09, 2015 12:49 PM  

Vox said, "They should not interfere with us here, and we should stop interfering with how they choose to live over there."

Bullseye! Spot on! Fire for effect!

How elegantly simple! And yet I'm very afraid that it will require yet more bloodshed and destruction before such a simple, commonsensical policy will be pursued, at least as long as the current "leadership" is in place here in the US. I sincerely hope you are correct, VD, that FN, UKIP, PEGIDA (sp?), etc., will indeed come to power over there!

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous hygate January 09, 2015 12:53 PM  

@Salt

I saw that article as well and my thought was that of course it is reversible so long as the French have the necessary resolve.

And considering past history I would not bet against the French.

OpenID UnderwaterOperative January 09, 2015 12:54 PM  

@FALPhil

"How do we accelerate the process?"

For starters, talk about it openly with friends, family and on social media. We have to plant the seed. Mass Deportations isn't something the average person thinks about. It will take time, but people will come around. How quickly they come around partially depends on how many more terrorist attacks occur. Attacks, like the one in France, are water to the seed.

Anonymous damntull January 09, 2015 1:01 PM  

This post is indisputable.
I discuss the issue of the incompatibility of Islam with the West (secular or Christian), and I never get any disagreement.

Anonymous Dumb founded January 09, 2015 1:21 PM  

OT: Will the judge get fired?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTlB04fxgSI

Judge dismisses attempt to use Eric Garner defense ... ie, black thug was hiding from police brutality

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 1:30 PM  

"Difficult to deport citizens, even those with alien allegiances."

Not really.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz January 09, 2015 1:31 PM  

Based on France tracking at least 1200 "Jihadis", I would have to agree, this is only the beginning......
..
Authorities around Europe have warned of the threat posed by the return of Western jihadis trained in warfare. France counts at least 1,200 citizens in the war zone in Syria -- headed there, returned or dead.....http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/09/paris-terror-attack-suspects-reportedly-steal-car-take-hostage-in-northeast/

Anonymous cheddarman January 09, 2015 1:31 PM  

i was listening to neocon radio today at lunch. Bad idea.

The idiot show host was talking about how we need a world wide reform of Islam to rid it of its radical elements.

Don't expect the useful idiots/tools of the globalist agenda let this crisis go to waste.

Anonymous VD January 09, 2015 1:35 PM  

The idiot show host was talking about how we need a world wide reform of Islam to rid it of its radical elements.

That's the point. The radical elements ARE the reformers.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 1:49 PM  

Authorities around Europe have warned of the threat posed by the return of Western jihadis trained in warfare. France counts at least 1,200 citizens in the war zone in Syria -- headed there, returned or dead...

I wonder, did these brilliant minds ever think about maybe not letting them back into the country?

Blogger Thordaddy January 09, 2015 1:51 PM  

Sorry... But Islam and the secular West are not at odds... They share a fundamental anti-white Supremacist disposition and a mutual desire for radical sexual autonomy... Self-annihilators need facilitators and this is where each side steps in for the other.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 1:52 PM  

Marsi is Tad, right?

Blogger Guitar Man January 09, 2015 1:52 PM  

What's nice to know is that this isn't an issue for the U.S. The U.S. muslim population is better educated than the average American, more likely to work in a professional field and feels far less isolated than European muslims. In other words, it's not an American problem.

Yeah, we have a different kind of problem. Sure, I prefer tacos to halal, but we also had the Boston bombings. Don't act like we don't have our own issues. Maybe not to the scale of Europe, but it exists.

Blogger James Dixon January 09, 2015 1:52 PM  

> Vox, I thought you were out of the election prediction business?!

He's out of the US election prediction business.

Anonymous Bah January 09, 2015 1:52 PM  

did these brilliant minds ever think about maybe not letting them back into the country?

That would violate their rights, or something.

Anonymous Bah January 09, 2015 1:53 PM  

The U.S. muslim population is better educated than the average American, more likely to work in a professional field and feels far less isolated than European muslims.

Yup, educated professionals like Nidal Hasan and Mohammed Atta never go jihad, so that's cool.

Anonymous Nigger Tad January 09, 2015 1:55 PM  

Our Muslims kill 3000 in a day, not 12. USA USA

Blogger Guitar Man January 09, 2015 1:56 PM  

More secularist who think that institutional education is the key to a successful and peaceful society.

Anonymous Shut Up, Tad January 09, 2015 1:56 PM  

> What's nice to know is that this isn't an issue for the U.S.

Shutup,Tad

Blogger Bodichi January 09, 2015 1:58 PM  

@MARSI

"What takes care of the problem in the Middle East is significant economic improvement, lower unemployment and diversified economies. It's all about economics. When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad."

You are implying that money is the sole or the primary factor in determining Islamic violence?

Anonymous Shut Up, Tad January 09, 2015 1:58 PM  

> Marsi is Tad, right?

Its like Musak. Once you hear it, you can't unhear it.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 1:58 PM  

What takes care of the problem in the Middle East is significant economic improvement, lower unemployment and diversified economies. It's all about economics. When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad.

Never go full reTad

Blogger James Dixon January 09, 2015 1:59 PM  

> Marsi is Tad, right?

It's possible. A bit on the mild side, but Tad often starts that way.

Blogger Thordaddy January 09, 2015 2:00 PM  

The reason a self-annihilating entity like Islam can perpetuate is that "it" is a deracinated "religion" that practices radical sexual autonomy. And any entity that seeks deracination (in order to justify radical sexual autonomy) is pathological as we can observe in Western secularism. So we uncover ANOTHER COMPATIBILTY between Islam and the secular West. Both entities are deracinated and thus pathological. But it is an error to witness these colliding pathologies and assume that the average Muslim or everyday secularist actually sees any real pathology at all.

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 2:01 PM  

What takes care of the problem in the Middle East is significant economic improvement, lower unemployment and diversified economies. It's all about economics. When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad.

That's a stunning statement of ignorance.

Have you ever researched or looked at the curriculum of Middle East schools? Who funds the schools?

Do you think they're in any way comparable to the US public education system? They're not.

And that's just one facet of the difference between the cultures.

It's not just about economics. Cripes, that's what I'd expect a neocon to bleet.

Anonymous VD January 09, 2015 2:01 PM  

Marsi is Tad, right?

Yep. Pity that poor Osama bin Laden couldn't find a job.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 09, 2015 2:05 PM  

What takes care of the problem in the Middle East is significant economic improvement, lower unemployment and diversified economies. It's all about economics. When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad.

Then how do you explain western Jihadis? That argument only works up to a point and what we are seeing with Islamic militancy can't be handed waved away with that argument.

OpenID cailcorishev January 09, 2015 2:08 PM  

Marsi is Tad, right?

He couldn't be any more Tad if he were molesting a goat.

When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad.

Okay, now you're just messing with us.

Blogger dash January 09, 2015 2:13 PM  

Hmm, all those middle eastern jihadis do have a knack for insuring that there are plenty of available jobs for a 20 year old in... jihad.

Blogger ScuzzaMan January 09, 2015 2:16 PM  

The problem I (for)see is that "we're an Empire now" .. and empires dont disconnect.

Their very existence is based on the opposite principle.

Anonymous Atombum January 09, 2015 2:16 PM  

``This is where ground-level pressure makes things happen.`` Expect the (bad) jews to oppose this with every fiber of their being. If they lose the battle, they know that they will be next given recent events over there.

Anonymous . January 09, 2015 2:19 PM  

The reason a self-annihilating entity like Islam can perpetuate is that "it" is a deracinated "religion" that practices radical sexual autonomy.

Fascinatingly retarded.

Spreading like the plague... but "self-annihilating".

Radical sexual autonomy... you really don't know much about Islam, do you?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 2:26 PM  

I think Thor daddy meant to write:

The "reason" a "self"-"annihilating" "entity" like "Islam" can "perpetuate" is that "it" is a "deracinated" "religion" that "practices" "radical" "sexual" "autonomy".

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 2:29 PM  

The men of the West are punks and this started with the baby boomers.

The boomers are the scourge that kicked all of this off.

The radicals smell a punk and see him walking around with his pants below his butt cheeks so what are they to do?

Stay in their shitehole or move into a nicer neighborhood and take the limp wrists women?

No guns, no peace!

Anonymous The Reason January 09, 2015 2:29 PM  

So, VD, curious about your opinion about multikult writ large: is it motivated by white genocide or by pedestrian short term profits?

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 2:34 PM  

40 percent of Muslims resident in Great Britain are seeking to establish Sharia rule over the British.

Could VD cite his source for this?

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 2:38 PM  

40 percent of Muslims resident in Great Britain are seeking to establish Sharia rule over the British.

Could VD cite his source for this?

Anonymous joe doakes January 09, 2015 2:40 PM  

Seperate countries for incompatible populations - wasn't that Lincoln's Liberia plan? Didn't work so well because the Incompatibles realized it was better to be dirt in America than to be dead in Africa. Muslims would rather live in French banlieue than Burkina Faso. Only way to dislodge them will be violence, either by government or by mob, both ugly, both inevitable.

Blogger Thordaddy January 09, 2015 2:40 PM  

I know that the Islamic reward for a self-annihilating act of mass murder of "infidels" is 72 virgins for eternal smashing... If that isn't a desire for SELF-annihilation AND THEN radical sexual autonomy, what is it?

Is Islamic breeding practice deracinated? Why or why not?

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 2:49 PM  

Incompatibles realized it was better to be dirt in America than to be dead in Africa.

A good number were sold by their fellow Africans to the slave traders. I think they figured they'd go back and be re-sold to who-knows-where.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 2:50 PM  

The "men" of the West have been digitally castrated. and are easy pickings for the usurpers of the caliphate.

The "men" of the West are Digital Eunuch's... damn good at video games, great at finding juicy porn and picking fantasy football teams but pathetic at keeping their culture and protecting their women.

That is the root cause of all of this. The testicles never drop in the Western Males.

The Western "males" testicles are Digitally Atrophied, like a paraplegics arms and legs.

OpenID cailcorishev January 09, 2015 2:51 PM  

40 percent of Muslims resident in Great Britain are seeking to establish Sharia rule over the British.

Could VD cite his source for this?


Yeah, there's no way it's that low.

OpenID UnderwaterOperative January 09, 2015 2:54 PM  

@Bohm
40 percent of Muslims resident in Great Britain are seeking to establish Sharia rule over the British.

Could VD cite his source for this?"

You have the google machine, right?

Blogger Jourdan January 09, 2015 2:55 PM  

What looks impossible today is really not. It's a question of will.

I've seen this up close and personal, in the L.A. Riots. Before the Riots, the gang problem, with the nightly 20 homicides, no-go zones in the city/county and the Mayor presiding over official "peace talks" between rival gangs to carve up the city, complete with recognized gang borders, all seemed massive and eternal, like nothing would ever change.

And, then it did. You could feel it in the air, and to this day I can't describe to people the feeling: it was universal, a complete agreement that THIS WILL END.

Now, I was there. And I SAW United States Marines--not National Guard, but Marines from Pendleton--shoot and kill gang members on the street for violating rules about which streets they were not to enter. And to this day, not one person, not one lawsuit, no one speaks of it. It's as if it never happened.

And we then build 140,000 new prison beds in 9 months. And initiated full force Three Strikes.

And the gang violence problem, went away.

It wasn't impossible. It was easy. In fact, all the people of SoCal did was flex the tiniest of their institutional muscles to solve the problem. There wasn't anywhere near total massive mobilization to resolve the issue. It was resolved easily.

The same will happen here. We are blessed with an overly-aggressive enemy, who cannot help himself, he continually provokes. Eventually, the dam will burst.

And they will be gone.

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 3:02 PM  

You have the google machine, right?

Indeed I do.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 3:04 PM  

"Yeah, there's no way it's that low."

Agreed. Perhaps only 40% would admit to a random stranger with a clipboard that they want Sharia law in Britain. One cannot rule out the taqiyya factor.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 09, 2015 3:05 PM  

I'm saying economics trumps religion and radicalism.

Hasn't worked that way in Iran. What evidence do you have in support?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 3:13 PM  

Jourdan, looks like you are enjoying the police state.

The problem wasn't not enough prisons the problem is the drug trade being so lucrative.

Legalize the drugs and let the junkies overdose if they so choose. That is the answer.

As far as the Marines coming in and taking care of business how about letting the citizens take care of business, as our Constitution promotes and supports. I kind of like the military staying out of domestic business.

Anonymous cheddarman January 09, 2015 3:13 PM  

When the muzzies see Nate in his OSU hat, they will leave Ohio by the container ship ship load!

All of Ohio says " Thanks Nate :) "

Anonymous Anubis January 09, 2015 3:18 PM  

"The U.S. muslim population is better educated than the average American"
Affirmative action, credentialization, graded on a curve to the point that an engineer with a PHD can lose a promotion to an illiterate black. Otis Mathis says high, to anyone that had to pass an English proficiency test to graduate high school.

"When you have a 20 year old man going to a decent job every day, he's not thinking about Jihad."
Welfare/dole and section 8 are considered jizya the tax on non believers. Living on welfare is better than even the top 1% of muslims can achieve in their homelands without oil wealth.

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2015 3:21 PM  

"The "men" of the West have been digitally castrated. and are easy pickings for the usurpers of the caliphate."

Oh Good, TinyTim is hear to serve as the example of the ideal man for all of us, and regale us with the tales of his various feats of strength.

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 3:26 PM  

Yeah, there's no way it's that low.

You think?

The idea that 40% of British Muslims are 'seeking' to establish Sharia law over the British struck me as preposterously high. That is the kind of attitude that only the wild-eyed extremists flaunt. So I checked it out.

Turns out that 40% of British Muslims would prefer Muslims in Britain to be under Sharia law. Big difference. The 40% figure comes from a poll of 600 Muslim students taken by the Centre of Social Cohesion. There are other polls with roughly the same result. I'm supposed that attitude is analogous with Orthodox Jews in Britain resorting to Beth din to resolve civil disputes, which is common.

Seems has if VD has been misinformed.
Happy to help out.

Anonymous Gara January 09, 2015 3:32 PM  

Seems has if VD has been misinformed.

inb4 Vox pulls a "muslim are british. the british doesnt mean all of them"

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 3:32 PM  

"Big difference."

In a semantic sense perhaps it is, but there is a tight correlation between the two, since people tend to seek whatever it is that they prefer. But quibbling over semantic trivialities is the essence of anklebiting.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 3:39 PM  

NateM, as always attack me but no refutation of the posit. Don't worry, I am not expecting you to explain the majority of the men being digital eunuchs.

Also, when did I claim to be the only exception I might ask as well?

Obviously the Men of the West are distracted or this wouldn't have happened. What reason do you give for the limp wristed non-response by the majority of Western Males?

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2015 3:45 PM  

TinyTim- It's mostly because you aren't saying anything, or doing anything but striking a superior pose without any basis. You aren't saying anything novel that bears reading, and you do it solely to draw attention back to yourself, which is ultimately all you want.

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 3:48 PM  

semantic trivialities

Good boy, Noah B. Your supine acceptance of false information will be a comfort to you when The Cleansing begins.

Anonymous DKViking January 09, 2015 3:55 PM  

The men of the west may be meek, but their sons wont.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 3:57 PM  

NateM, do you tell fortunes as well? You certainly have the motivations of others nailed down.

Well, you are wrong and it is what I believe. The reason you think it is always about me is because accusations are made against me, I respond and now I am talking about myself and then you point fingers. The one good thing is Vox is all over that and the kids are getting in line.

Why can't you just address the fact that our men are nothing more than mal-adjusted emasculated boy-men suffering from arrested development due to their immersion into distraction via the digital/sports revolution which was nothing more than a spy and control device the moron Americans embrace and have now accepted as their religion (along with Healthcare - which is their savior when the reality of their failing body and minds kicks in at age 35). Is this too hard for you to grasp?

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 3:57 PM  

Turns out that 40% of British Muslims would prefer Muslims in Britain to be under Sharia law. Big difference.

And if it's on a ballot that British law will be struck from the books for nuslims and Sharia will take its place, 40% would presumably vote for it. Right?

40% want British law eliminated for their families and replaced with Sharia.

Now, what makes you think they don't think, "If it's good enough for my family, it's good enough for all families?"

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 3:58 PM  

Turns out that 40% of British Muslims would prefer Muslims in Britain to be under Sharia law. Big difference.

Not so fast. A quick Google search reveals the following:

The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia law in "predominantly Muslim" areas of Britain.
and...
There was a new ICM poll of British Muslims in the Sunday Telegraph. The finding in the poll that got the most coverage was a question that suggested that 40% of British Muslims supported “there being areas in Britain which are pre-dominately Muslim and in which sharia law is introduced”.

Therefore, the preference of 40% of Muslims in Britain for sharia law is not limited in application to Muslims, but rather to "areas which are pre-dominately Muslim". In other words, they would prefer to impose sharia law upon non-Muslims in geographic regions where Muslims are at least 51% of the population.

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 3:58 PM  

Oh Good, TinyTim is hear to serve as the example of the ideal man for all of us, and regale us with the tales of his various feats of strength.

I thought Thordaddy was the ideal man. I'm confused.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 4:00 PM  

Your supine acceptance of false information will be a comfort to you when The Cleansing begins.

Does "Bohm" translate to "irony" in some language?

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 4:02 PM  

Stilicho kinda pissed in the punch I was making for Bohm by providing the "big reveal," but the point remains.

Islam is not a religion of passive expansion. It never has been. It asserts. Always.

When they tell you soothing things, they are practicing the time-honored (and Islam backed) tradition of lying to non-believers.

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2015 4:05 PM  

Harsh January 09, 2015 3:58 PM
Oh Good, TinyTim is hear to serve as the example of the ideal man for all of us, and regale us with the tales of his various feats of strength.

I thought Thordaddy was the ideal man. I'm confused.



Theyll both have to drop their pants and sort this out

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:05 PM  

This I know. Warriors (both cultural and battlefield) train with real guns, are in excellent physical shape, and are not distracted by childish endeavors and embrace their role as man, father and husband (and stay in it to the end).

This does not describe the Men of the West.

What I see are pudgy, pasty, sickly, spaced out dudes (Ritalin, etc.) who spend too much time watching sports center and getting out of work, eating and drinking high fructose corn syrup, and hiding from women, and those that don't ceding their moral authority to the wife or girlfriend.

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 4:09 PM  

Who are you calling pasty?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:10 PM  

Harsh and NateM refuse to defend their lifestyle and station in life once again. Denial is a bitch!

Your honor, I rest my case. The attorneys for the defendant refuse to mount a defense.

Blogger Bodichi January 09, 2015 4:11 PM  

@Tiny Tim

"What I see are pudgy, pasty, sickly, spaced out dudes (Ritalin, etc.) who spend too much time watching sports center and getting out of work, eating and drinking high fructose corn syrup, and hiding from women, and those that don't ceding their moral authority to the wife or girlfriend. "

On a Standard distribution curve would say that this applies to around 2 STDV (95%)? If so the I would tend to agree with you.

However putting your hands on your hips and "tut tutting" helps now one and makes you look condescending and pretentious. Why are you not out there training local militia groups in 4G warfare tactics, room clearing techniques, small artillery triangulation?

Don't just point out problems unless you have a way to fix them, for that is unmanly as well.

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 4:12 PM  

Harsh and NateM refuse to defend their lifestyle and station in life once again. Denial is a bitch!

What do you think my lifestyle is?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:12 PM  

Owen, great question. Thanks for asking. I am calling those pasty who spend 6 to 14 hours a day playing video games and watching sports whose D3 and D4 is non-detect because the only time they see the sun is when they are walking to their mothers car. Oh, and they were probably on Ritalin given to them by their mother when they were growing up because their dad was too weak (or gone) to say "not my son, not in this house."

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey January 09, 2015 4:12 PM  

War in Europe is inevitable.

I just hope it kicks off soon so I'm able to participate.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 4:14 PM  

Stilicho kinda pissed in the punch I was making for Bohm by providing the "big reveal,"

Oops. Just couldn't resist Bohm's attempt to paint Vox's characterization of the poll as false and misleading by using a false and misleading characterization of the poll. There is simply no way to interpret that poll that does not indicate a desire to impose sharia law on some portion of non-Muslim Britons.

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 4:15 PM  

Tiny Tim, that was a joke. As if to imply that I wholly accept everything else, but raised an objection to an insignifi...

oh, eff it.

The weekend is too close.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:17 PM  

Harsh, why does this discussion now have to be about you? I thought I was the only narcissist on this blog.

Are you a habitual gamer? Do you shun real women? Are you overweight and soft? Is your D3/D4 non-detect? Are you working toward diabetes? Did your mommy give you Ritalin? Do you live vicariously through sports stars?

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 4:18 PM  

Harsh, why does this discussion now have to be about you?

You made it sound like you knew.

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 4:24 PM  

what makes you think they don't think, "If it's good enough for my family, it's good enough for all families?"

Because they are not hopeless fantasists (notwithstanding their religious beliefs), unaware of which country they are living in.

In other words, they would prefer to impose sharia law upon non-Muslims in geographic regions where Muslims are at least 51% of the population.

No, Sharia would not be imposed on non-Muslims in such areas. Again, it is analogous with Beth Din in the UK.

In any case, we’re talking about civil disputes, such as divorce, being resolved under Sharia Law. Not beheadings and amputations and other horrors perpetuated in the Middle East under the name of Sharia Law.

Do you really think such a situation would be tolerated in Britain -or even floated as a possibility?

Blogger Danby January 09, 2015 4:26 PM  

The projection is strong with this Tim fellow.

Blogger Owen January 09, 2015 4:26 PM  

Do you really think such a situation would be tolerated in Britain -or even floated as a possibility?

That's moot.

What's germane is the mindset of the muslims. 40% WANT sharia in predominantly muslim areas (and no distinction made for non-muslims, per the poll).

Vox's point stands. It's a conquest mentality.

OpenID UnderwaterOperative January 09, 2015 4:36 PM  

Tell me again how they don't want to force it on us

UK Sharia

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:36 PM  

The Muslims know there are very few real men in the West and they are emboldened so they strike. The world power elites are complicit as long as this takeover suits their purpose.

They usurpers get away with what is allowed.

Pasty men in skinny jeans will embolden most bullies. Fat, pudgy slow witted Ritalin addicts is also and inducement to conquest.

Allowing America's girls to whore themselves out to any boy that gets their attention isn't helping either.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 4:38 PM  

Bohm, now you are just lying when you say that sharia law would not be imposed upon non Muslims if the preferences of the cited 40 % were implemented. Per the rules of the blog, retract or run away.

Blogger Danby January 09, 2015 4:39 PM  

@TinyDick
Please stop talking about yourself. It's boring and no one cares.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing January 09, 2015 4:41 PM  

Who are you calling pasty?

Pasties are very tasty. And manly. Lots of coal miners agree...

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 4:42 PM  

(and no distinction made for non-muslims, per the poll)

I checked the 2006 Sunday Telegraph article reporting the ICM poll. I missed the part about 'no distinction made for non-Muslims'.

The article also frames Sharia Law in the context of 'harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation' making no distinction between viable degrees of application within the British Legal framework, which is not untypical of the British press.

What's germane is the mindset of the muslims.

Also germane is the mindset of the vast majority of Britons, wouldn't you say?


Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 4:45 PM  

"Good boy, Noah B. Your supine acceptance of false information will be a comfort to you when The Cleansing begins."

Bohm, if you don't want to attempt to address my statement in any way, that's fine, but for future reference, you'd come across as much classier and more credible if you would simply shut up instead of hurling around baseless insults.

OpenID cailcorishev January 09, 2015 4:47 PM  

The idea that 40% of British Muslims are 'seeking' to establish Sharia law over the British struck me as preposterously high. [....] Turns out that 40% of British Muslims would prefer Muslims in Britain to be under Sharia law. Big difference.

Between "seeking" and "prefer"? What do you think the word "seeking" means? In my dictionary, it doesn't say "enforcing at the point of a gun." It means you're hoping for it, perhaps encouraging it, but no more than that. You'd "prefer" it, in other words.

OpenID cailcorishev January 09, 2015 4:50 PM  

The projection is strong with this Tim fellow.

It makes a lot more sense if you assume he's a performance artist.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 4:55 PM  

Danby, shouldn't you be at confession receiving absolution from the Pope or whatever?

Anonymous Bohm January 09, 2015 5:04 PM  

Between "seeking" and "prefer"? What do you think the word "seeking" means? In my dictionary, it doesn't say "enforcing at the point of a gun." It means you're hoping for it, perhaps encouraging it, but no more than that. You'd "prefer" it, in other words.

Pefer is in poll respondents preferred the option presented.

Seek is in 'striving to obtain or achieve'.

Bohm, if you don't want to attempt to address my statement in any way, that's fine, but for future reference, you'd come across as much classier and more credible if you would simply shut up instead of hurling around baseless insults.

Agreed. I have often ignored baseless insults directed toward me on this blog -no biggie.

In this case, I wanted to register my dismay at an apparent willingness to accept misleading information because it chimed with a preconception. I’m sorry if you were overly offended.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:05 PM  

Tim, I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase "all hat and no cattle."

Since you're from Texas and all.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:09 PM  

Hi Josh. Yes I have heard it. I love the saying. And then there are those of us who actually have the cattle, which I have a herd led by my Brahma Bull, Big Junior. You know being from Texas and all I do have a ranch and cattle. God has blessed me greatly.

Blogger Pseudotsuga January 09, 2015 5:13 PM  

Bohm: "In any case, we’re talking about civil disputes, such as divorce, being resolved under Sharia Law. Not beheadings and amputations and other horrors perpetuated in the Middle East under the name of Sharia Law."

Is that what THEY claimed they wanted? Or are you interpreting their words? (We'll ignore the problem of taqiyya in interpreting their statements for the moment.)
So you dismiss the notion of Sharia by the most extreme examples. But what about the rest of Sharia law?
Nn Sharia neighborhoods, no honor killings will be allowed, gays are free to walk the streets, and other religions can build chapels/synagogues/temples without penalty or tax? Will alcohol be allowed in this Paradise?

"Do you really think such a situation would be tolerated in Britain -or even floated as a possibility?"

Yup--that reminds me of recent incident that happened in Old Blighty, up in Yorkshire, where a bunch of young Britons were sexually exploited for years, by Muslims with the cooperation of fearful non-Muslims..
And that British soldier who was attacked and killed on the street by two folks who submit to the will of Allah. Didn't they learn in their mosques to be peaceful and tolerant,and not practice beheadings on the streets of Britain?
Those are two examples just off the top of my head which contradict your notion that such situations would not be tolerated or possible.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:17 PM  

And Josh, I also have my guns. Unlike those down-under in Australia who bent over and handed them over to their masters.

In Texas we roll a little different then you Aussies.

G'day Mate!

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 5:17 PM  

And then there are those of us who actually have the cattle, which I have a herd led by my Brahma Bull, Big Junior.

I believe the bull part.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 5:18 PM  

"In this case, I wanted to register my dismay at an apparent willingness to accept misleading information because it chimed with a preconception."

Yet you failed to even present an argument as to what information you believe to be misleading and why you believe that to be the case.

"I’m sorry if you were overly offended."

Considering the source, I wasn't.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:20 PM  

And Josh, I also have my guns. Unlike those down-under in Australia who bent over and handed them over to their masters.

In Texas we roll a little different then you Aussies.

G'day Mate!


I'm not Australian...

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 5:21 PM  

I'm not Australian...

But, Josh, have you defended your lifestyle?

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 5:21 PM  

"I believe the bull part."

Cause all that bullshit has to come from somewhere, right?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:28 PM  

Josh, my apologies. I thought you were Aussie.

Since you and others seem to have an interest in bulls, I like to castrate them by putting them in a squeeze chute, taking their scrotum in my hand, and working their testicles out of their abdomen as they tend to suck them up when they feel you working down there. At that point cut the bottom of the scrotum off with a sharp knife and reach into the scrotum and retrieve the testicles and pull them out of the scrotum, or possibly abdomen if they have sucked them back up. I am sure you can related to that part. Next I cut the vas deferens, not straight across but with a little friction up and down to promote clotting of the blood that is sure to flow at this point. I rarely cook the testicles unless I want to put on a show for the city folk. Spray the testicles with an anti-bacterial and turn the steer loose (he is now a steer because he is nutless, like the DIGITAL EUNUCHS who have infested my wonderful country).

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:29 PM  

But, Josh, have you defended your lifestyle?

I wake up in the morning and I piss excellence.

I'm just a red blooded American winning machine.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:31 PM  

Hey Josh, reach over and tug on Harsh's testicles... see how they are sucked up into his abdomen?

Getting the picture?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:31 PM  

Josh, my apologies. I thought you were Aussie.

HOW IS THAT REMOTELY POSSIBLE?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:33 PM  

Hey Josh, reach over and tug on Harsh's testicles... see how they are sucked up into his abdomen?

Getting the picture?


Gay. Super double secret gay. Covered in gay sauce and garnished with a sprig of gay.

Gay.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:35 PM  

Josh, you called it. Now reach down, see... there should be two marble sized objects there (for regards to you) and not just an empty sack.

Maybe you can try reaching up into your abdomen and working them down and they will stay? It is probably worth a try. You would feel differently immediately.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 5:36 PM  

Meh. Get back to us when you've tied your first dozen Colombian neckties.

Blogger Danby January 09, 2015 5:37 PM  

@TinyDick
You sure seem to like testicles a lot.

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 5:37 PM  

Gay. Super double secret gay. Covered in gay sauce and garnished with a sprig of gay.

Timmy just confirmed what we all suspected about him.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:38 PM  

As far as you being Aussie I saw a video of Nate and a "Josh (I think from Australia - maybe not)" cavorting around effeminately one night in Nate's house drunk and I always thought that was you.

Sorry for the misidentification or was that you and I have the Aussie thing wrong?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:40 PM  

Danby, I am not sure how to take that being you represent the Pope and all the extracurricular activities of the Papacy. Would seem right up your alley, you know, tugging testicles.

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 5:40 PM  

Timmy sure is obsessed with testicles and watching videos of gay men.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:41 PM  

No I'm not from Australia you ball obsessed pervert.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:42 PM  

Harsh, I watched a video of Nate, and a "Josh", drunk, touching each other in Nate's house and challenging each other to drink or trying to get each other drunk (I will withhold my opinion).

So what should I infer from you calling this "videos of gay men?"

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) January 09, 2015 5:43 PM  

PEOPLE ARE STRANGE

Tiny Tim

Anonymous Harsh January 09, 2015 5:45 PM  

Hey, I'm not judging you, Timmy. You watch can gay videos and think about men's testicles all you want.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:53 PM  

Hey, I'm not judging you, Timmy. You watch can gay videos and think about men's testicles all you want.

This also probably explains why he has his pants down around his ankles so much.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:55 PM  

Josh, is that you in the video with Nate in Nate's house drinking alcohol?

I just want to make sure you aren't wrongly id'd again. I want to be factually correct.

Just be careful with men who are plying you with alcohol.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 5:55 PM  

Tiny, Tiny Tim, the Aussie you are referring to is our very own wanker Jamie who, once in a while, while not engaged with work or drinking or coitus or fatherhood or some combination thereof, will grace us with his presence.

Josh and Nate (along with myself) are Americans.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 5:57 PM  

our very own wanker Jamie who, once in a while, while not engaged with work or drinking or coitus or fatherhood or some combination thereof, will grace us with his presence.

Dammit Dif you forgot to mention his composition of wigger atrocities and the NBA...

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 5:59 PM  

Difster, thank you for clearing question #1 of 2 up.

The only question that remains unanswered concerns the guy called "Josh" in a video with Nate in which they are prancing about in the middle of the night trying to get the other drunk.

So Josh, can I get a response as to whether or not that was you? Factual representations are important to me regardless of what you may think.

I await your reply.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 5:59 PM  

Dammit Dif you forgot to mention his composition of wigger atrocities and the NBA...

I didn't want to overwhelm Tiny, Tiny Tim with details.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 6:00 PM  

Tiny, Tiny Tim,

Please answer as to what time of night you were watching said videos of prancing and what was occupying your other hand at the time?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 6:01 PM  

So Josh, can I get a response as to whether or not that was you? Factual representations are important to me regardless of what you may think.

Yes that's me. Jamie, Nate, and I hung out at Nate's house when Jamie visited America.

We got hammered drunk and might have placed a prank call to Europe.

A good time was had by all.

Blogger Clint January 09, 2015 6:02 PM  

Yes, Josh, but were any bull scrotums harmed during your activities?

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 6:04 PM  

Yes, Josh, but were any bull scrotums harmed during your activities?

No, you must be thinking of Timmy's parties.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 09, 2015 6:04 PM  

We should have an ilk convention. We could have a contest for tee shirt with the best John Scalzi meme. Though I say this knowing Nate would make fun of my cheap taste in Bourbon.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:05 PM  

Difster, ahh... you are projecting. I have to admit I am not on board the gay train with you more open minded folk. I still believe it is a destructive lifestyle, one in which I have never and never will engage.

If you choose otherwise, just don't ask me to cover your herpes meds or the AIDS treatment. Otherwise, knock yourself out. I am libertarian in regard to what you and Josh do in your free time.

Josh, we are waiting. Is that you cavorting with Nate in his house (couldn't tell if it was a bedroom?).

If it is not you I will apologize, as I should and never bring it up to you again (at least probably won't ever bring it up again).

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 6:07 PM  

We should have an ilk convention. We could have a contest for tee shirt with the best John Scalzi meme. Though I say this knowing Nate would make fun of my cheap taste in Bourbon.

I'm in.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:09 PM  

Hey Josh, honesty is always the best policy.

Josh: "A good time was had by all...."

Were there any women at this party?

Just for clarification, is that the bedroom? I couldn't tell.

And I am called gay...

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:10 PM  

Josh: "I'm in..."

You are the gift that just keeps giving.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 6:11 PM  

"Though I say this knowing Nate would make fun of my cheap taste in Bourbon."

Wellers > Makers

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 6:13 PM  

An Ilk convention up here around Austin would be best. There seem to be more of us here than anywhere.

Let's have one here in July.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 09, 2015 6:14 PM  

Jim Beam. White label.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:15 PM  

A convention in Austin... I am just three hours away. That would be swell guys.

I will bring some moonshine.

Blogger Clint January 09, 2015 6:15 PM  

An Ilk convention up here around Austin would be best. There seem to be more of us here than anywhere.

Let's have one here in July.


As long as I have some head's up on the day, I can make it.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 6:16 PM  

Hey, Tiny, Tiny Tim thinks I'm one of them there open minded folks.

The glee with which you wrote about handling bull testicles gives you away TTT.

Blogger Josh January 09, 2015 6:19 PM  

An Ilk convention up here around Austin would be best. There seem to be more of us here than anywhere.

Let's have one here in July.


LET'S DO IT!!!

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 6:20 PM  

I've got a scant 1.75 acres which is plenty of room for camping, BBQ and bonfire but sadly, not for shooting anything bigger than a .22 without endangering the neighbors.

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:22 PM  

Bull testicles, goat testicles, pig testicles, sheep testicles, chicken testicles... at the end of the day the process is pretty much the same for maximizing the return on your livestock investment.

Used to be real men all related to what I am saying. Making you boys a little squeamish, like the women and city folk I know. And all any of you can relate it to is your personal experience, that being the alternate lifestyle choice and what a scrotum means to you when drinking and passing out with "your buds".

To each his own.




Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:23 PM  

Difster, can I bring my .17HMR?

Blogger Tiny Tim January 09, 2015 6:25 PM  

...hey, and we can watch sports center and play video games, then have a treasure hunt.

Anonymous BarleyCorn January 09, 2015 6:30 PM  

"Expect the (bad) jews to oppose this with every fiber of their being. If they lose the battle, they know that they will be next given recent events over there."

Numerous reports have large numbers of French Jews looking to emigrate in the wake of the rise in anti-semitic violence there.

Will we get them here?

Anonymous BarleyCorn January 09, 2015 6:32 PM  

"Used to be real men all related to what I am saying. Making you boys a little squeamish, like the women and city folk I know."

Any time I hear someone use the term "City Folk" I presume I'm dealing with an idiot. I'm usually right.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 09, 2015 6:35 PM  

Hmmm, I could bring the fifth wheel down so I could drink as much whiskey as I wanted and not have to worry about going home the same day.

There will be no frolicking, however.

But we can work on our fantasy football league for next year!

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 6:43 PM  

Dan, I promise I won't attempt to frolick.

Anonymous Viidad January 09, 2015 6:45 PM  

Convention? I'd attend.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 6:51 PM  

Guys -- July in Texas? It sucks here in summer.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 7:01 PM  

Noah, if it's as mild a summer as it has bee a winter, we'll be ok.

Besides, it's not THAT bad.

Anonymous Difster January 09, 2015 7:17 PM  

The Ilkfest, or more properly, the Ilkmoot, is now being planned on the back channel. Details forthcoming.

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 7:24 PM  

Dammit, I'm going to be away for most of early July.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall January 09, 2015 7:25 PM  

Back to the point of the OP, as Vox pointed out, don't bring a candle-vigil to a gunfight. Instead, perhaps something in .308. I recommend the 168g Sierra Matchking HPBT riding on 42.7g of IMR 4064. That's the load for my rifle's sweet spot. OTOH, I have a friend who tells me that commercial manufacturing processes are now so tight on ammo that there's no point in buying match ammo or handloading... but old habits die hard and handloading is a lot cheaper for me.

The idiots who shot the cop were truly idiots. If they'd been smart they'd have done it right... think Malvo and Boyd. Shooting a cop isn't terrorism. Randomly shooting a woman or a child entering a market or an elderly person pumping gasoline... that's terrorism. When no person can feel safe, that's terrorism. Those who wage war should do so under the black flag if they desire to win.

Blogger Danby January 09, 2015 7:31 PM  

@TinyDick,
I'm more from the William the Conqueror wing of the Catholic Church, myself.

Y'know, I raise livestock too, but I don't particularly enjoy castrating the males. Or slaughtering either for that matter. It's just a job that has to be done. And I certainly don't go talking to strangers in great detail about how much I enjoy it. Care to give us loving detail about how much fun it is to watch a steer bleed out, you sick freak?

Anonymous Noah B. January 09, 2015 7:31 PM  

Their goal was more to punish than to terrorize. It was to communicate that it is unacceptable to criticize or make fun of Islam, and that the penalty for doing so is death.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall January 09, 2015 8:16 PM  

@Noah B

I disagree. In a virtually disarmed population, when anyone can be murdered at will and the police can be killed in the streets, how safe is the average person who is denied the ability to defend themselves? Terrorism first, punishment second. The clear message to the civilian population is "We are in charge here and if you disagree with us, the penalty is death." The question is how to deal with it. The problem is there are no political solutions, there are only individual solutions until the body politic has finally had enough and acts decisively... which isn't likely in this age of electronic voting machines with modems and proprietary code that nobody is allowed to see.

It's all about incentives and disincentives. Everyone is part of the game and the choices are to raise the ante or fold. Radical islam acts in the face of perceived weakness of western culture and society. Britain is a prime example and the political power is content that the citizenry is disarmed and unable to act. I'm sure the Boyos from Northern Ireland could teach them how to do things old-school, but in this day and age it is a trivial matter to construct devices that can be aimed and fired remotely with ease. Changes in technology (3D printers) allow citizens to bypass government controls over weapons.

The political masters chose to allow the muslims to write the rules, the point now is to play the game better than they can.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 09, 2015 8:20 PM  

Tiny Tim, re. castration
That made me laugh. It remijded of a story, told to me btly a protagonist. When out on a castration run, do you also carry beers, coat hangers, a bucket, and salt and pepper shakers?

I'm in for an Ilk's cojvention. I love Texas' warm summers. Winter is hell to me.

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2015 8:25 PM  

TinyTim:
Ball handling: http://youtu.be/dOlmtyleayI

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 09, 2015 8:42 PM  

Ignore the Testicle Troll everyone.

Anonymous DeepThought January 09, 2015 8:43 PM  

What exactly does the west expect? I believe your discussion on 4GW would clearly lead anyone to ascertain that our use of force will radicalize certain elements of those societies.

Take WW2 and Japan. When we humiliated Japan and forced them to open up their country to trade, could the west expect anything else after the Japanese started on their path to industrialization?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 09, 2015 8:53 PM  

Rush Limbaugh spent his whole three hours on the terrorist attack in France---So What, who cares? French Liberals brought that upon themselves.

Everybody is talking about the attacks--but the biggest event of the week was the re-election of John Boehner as Speaker. That was a true story and a true tragedy. That was the end of the Republican Party. Another tale of the Tea Party being betrayed. That a majority of Republicans voted him back in, several changed their vote after telling the rebels that they would vote for them. The whole thing was a watershed event--and Vox missed that.

John Boehner is thanking the gods for his luck. Every one has missed that. We all jump on another run of the mill Islamic attack---Whoppde-doo. What was important was the re-election of John Boehner.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 9:14 PM  

Bohm, I'm still waiting for that retraction. Since I've asked for it you've done nothing but repeat it. You effectively called Vox a liar and when I showed that you were the one misrepresenting the poll, you repeated your deliberate misrepresentation. I repeat my demand, retract your false claim that the poll showed that the Muslims in question only prefer to have sharia law for themselves and would not include any non Muslim Britons under it.

Anonymous Stilicho January 09, 2015 9:23 PM  

Stg58, you'll have to make allowances for him; he gets a little carried away when he starts thinking of swarthy, sweaty, Hispanic gang bangers and testicles while he's at the salon having his "hair done". No pasty, low testosterone types for him!

Anonymous zen0 January 09, 2015 9:46 PM  

@ WLW

That a majority of Republicans voted him back in, several changed their vote after telling the rebels that they would vote for them.

Wonder what they sold out for and who paid? But seriously, Mr. Wheeler, it is not significant because the US political system is not significant anymore. There is are no elements of change involved. It has ossified.

Anonymous Anon January 09, 2015 9:55 PM  

"And we then build 140,000 new prison beds in 9 months. And initiated full force Three Strikes."

There is still diminishing returns to consider.

Anonymous zen0 January 09, 2015 9:56 PM  

Noah B. January 09, 2015 7:31 PM
Their goal was more to punish than to terrorize. It was to communicate that it is unacceptable to criticize or make fun of Islam, and that the penalty for doing so is death.


I beg to differ. Their goal was to die as Martyrs. When they do that, they avoid Hell, and get to bring their relatives across unscathed as well.

Fuckin Hell. If I believed that, what's a few Frenchies I don't know gonna give me the vapors over a killin' spree?

Yee Haw, motherstuffers.

Anonymous zen0 January 09, 2015 10:11 PM  

Now, does anyone see what the evil influence the Doctrine of Eternal Torture in Hell has had on the World from time immemorial has done for spiritual life or not?

Like fuckin' DUH.

I feel sometimes like I am talking to a fucking wall. (Maybe the Wailing Wall.......Hah!)

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 09, 2015 10:20 PM  

You know what this is like? Its like an idiot who can't sell his house so he burns it down for the insurance money, and then afterwards realizes the money is not enough to buy another house.
The Globalists realized during the Cold War that America and the West were the major obstacles to Globalism. Divershitty and open borders are supposed to destroy these obstacles to the brilliant plan to rule the world by people who can't run a popsicle stand.
You would have thought that somewhere between the planning and execution phase of White Genocide Inc that someone might have realized that all the power and influence for the Globalist Agenda like the UN comes ENTIRELY from America and the West.
Sure America and the West are a major obstacle to Globalism, but its also the sole source of funding and military power for Globalism. Ooops.
Does anyone believe for a minute that the Chinese are going to send troops to the Middle East to invade Iran? No? Me either.

Blogger Doom January 09, 2015 11:13 PM  

No, interference is inevitable. It has and will always be an inevitability. Only one, in the end, will survive. If you are suggesting that the West is too weak, in many ways, to defeat islam, you may be correct. So, for now, repatriation is probably the wisest... for the West. For islam, they know that the West is weak, in all the ways that would allow them access. So, for them, repatriation is foolish. With most Western governments on the muslim gold take, this will be a very hard sell until enough of the governed not only decide to live, but decide to change their governments. It will either be the next cold war, islam forced back to the pit where it came from, or the real beginning of the end of the West.

If you want to know how history treats those who defeated islam, did what it took, all you have to do is review how history considers Vlad Tempes, even in his own time. But that is what it will take. As for developing nationalism in nations which are secular? Hmm, sounds a lot like making a deal with the devil. How many secular socialist government has Europe already created, and to what ends? I suppose, long term versus short term, there is some possibilities there. But it is playing with fire. What happens when they run out of muslims to burn? They will probably, again, focus on Jews, and very possibly the few remaining Christians. Well, after gays, pedophiles (except those in government), gypsies, the old and infirm, and such.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 10, 2015 12:43 AM  

Secularism is a road to nowhere. In their zeal to erase God they left a gaping hole in the hearts of youth who seek answers to questions like the meaning of life and why do we stand the pain. The atheist idiocy that Life is an accident and the Universe just came about for no reason is so stupid and vacuous even a retard would be amazed at the simplicity of this shallowness.
If these secular buffoons had taken a page from H.P. Lovecraft and envisioned a Universe so vast and Gods so powerful that we as mortals were simply beneath their care and notice, then that Grand Scale Big Picture Vision may have replaced the awestrickening power of Faith. However, we're not dealing with geniuses by any stretch of the imagination.
The best they could do is put an unemployed astronomer named Carl Saga on PBS and have him say Billions and Billions and Billions. You know someone should take that infomercial with the Asian guy who tells you that you can buy a house for no money down and splice it with Carl Sagan saying Billions and Billions and Billions. That would just be sweet irony that flies well above the pay grade of secularist retards without the depth to appreciate the shallowness of their nihilistic worldview.

Anonymous Bohm January 10, 2015 4:51 AM  

Stilicho,

You effectively called Vox a liar etc.

I don't think he noticed, mate.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 10, 2015 11:32 AM  

I'll be looking for info R.E. Ilkfest 2015.

1. No Mountain Oysters.
2. Alcoholic beverages of choice.
3. A/C.
4. John Scalzi meme shirts optional.
5. Bonus points if anyone wears the Gamma Rabbit shirt (it won't be me).

Anonymous cl January 10, 2015 12:37 PM  

It seems to me there's a direct correlation between the ascent of web technologies like social media and the failures of multiculturalism. Technology actually makes it more difficult to have the separatist existence Sailer advocates.

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