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Friday, January 23, 2015

Next year in New York

A Dutchman believes he has the key to world peace:
A Dutch former cabinet minister reportedly said that world peace would be achievable if Israel’s population was forced to move to the United States. The statement was attributed to Herman Heinsbroek, who served as the Netherlands’ minister of economic affairs in 2002, in an article that appeared Thursday in the online edition of the prestigious financial monthly Quote, based on an interview with Heinsbroek.

“It was a historical error to give the Jews their own country in the middle of Islam,” he is quoted as saying. “You’ve had nothing but war ever since and you’ve had anti-Semitism resurging, too. My idea: Give the Jews their own state somewhere in the United States and 25 years to move their state over there.”

Heinsbroek is also quoted as saying that, if implemented, his solution “will finally create, perhaps, peace in the world.”
Well, it has to be admitted that half the world's Jews do appear to prefer the East Coast of the USA to Israel anyhow. And it's mildly amusing to anticipate the outrage this will likely inspire among the very people who are also outraged by the notion that Jews should move to Israel.

Actually, I think it would be a cataclysmic mistake for the West to pull the Jews out of Israel, even assuming that a nuclear power would be entirely amenable to the geographic relocation. If nothing else, Israel is a second front (or to be more accurate, fourth front), in the ongoing Clash of Civilizations between Islam and the West. Does Heinsbroek imagine that Islam will stop aggressively expanding into Europe, Asia, and North America simply because it is no longer distracted by a small piece of real estate in the Middle East? That's absurd.

Even if you are a confirmed anti-semite, you cannot rationally deny that the continued existence of the State of Israel is absolutely in the interests of the West. That doesn't mean that Israel's interests are US interests, much less Dutch interests, but its existence is.

ADDENDUM: With the King of Saudi Arabia now reported dead at the age of 90, I tend to doubt that the Wahhabists are going to become more moderate or that tensions in the Middle East are going to cool significantly any time in the near future.

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189 Comments:

Blogger David January 23, 2015 8:04 AM  

Sheesh. And prime Florida east coast real estate is already crazy-expensive.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 23, 2015 8:05 AM  

The Saudis have always been strangely friendly to Israel, to the point that people claim they're all Crypto-Jews in the Royal House of Saud. Wouldn't surprise me if all that changes now that ISIS is crawling around the neighborhood and Saddam Hussein Osama has shown its hip to hate the Palestine Experiment.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 8:18 AM  

the idea that there was peace in the middle east before Israel was created is laughable in the extreme.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 8:28 AM  

How did Islam come into possession of that area in the first place?

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 8:34 AM  

"How did Islam come into possession of that area in the first place?"

perfectly peacefully. winning hearts and minds.

of course!

Anonymous aero January 23, 2015 8:35 AM  

Where do you move the atheist?

Blogger Chris Mallory January 23, 2015 8:36 AM  

No, not just no, but Hell NO. We have enough of Europe's ghetto trash. I would suggest Antarctica, but they would conflict with Hitler's UFO base.

The next best place would be the middle of Australia. Though I suspect that within 10 years the Abbos would be doing suicide bombings.

Blogger Salt January 23, 2015 8:37 AM  

Why should Israel move to the US? Why not that bastion of diversity and tolerance centered at Brussels?

Anonymous BB January 23, 2015 8:37 AM  

Don't know this Dutch ex-minister, but before we jump to point out the shortcomings of his proposal, think on this: here's a public man talking about moving populations around so as to shut down conflict.

Look at everything that's implied here - the clash of civilizations (Huntington), the mistake in attributing magical powers to geography (Vox), the refutation of neocon eschatology a la Fukuyama (liberal democracy + free markets as the end of history), ultimately even 'diversity + proximity = war' (Roissy). Change is already here. If you notice former liberals taking more neurotypical stances on Western decline one of these days, I guess it'd be best not to make a big production of it. Time is on our side on this upswing of the pendulum, no need for triggering their ego-defensive mechanisms.

Blogger Joshua Dyal January 23, 2015 8:38 AM  

Where do you move the atheist?

The middle east. So many of them seem to admire the Muslim community, and they're convinced that it's a "religion of peace" after all. What could go wrong?

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 8:56 AM  

-Joshua

Yeah, apparently one scholar got whacked for it. Iraqi intelligence also had dossiers alleging the same.

-Vox

The Jewish Autonomous Oblast of Birobidzhan. Practically empty, the size of Switzerland. It's got timber, mines, agriculture and access to the Pacific from the Amur river. No insane jihadis, friendly natives, Chinese next door as trading partners. Give it twenty years and I'm sure twenty million jews willing to sweat in the sun and freeze in the snow ought to turn it into a far east jewel.hell, they could just buy a bunch of concrete and 3d printers and make up a ton of very nice condos and homes in short order.

Who cares about a 4g beachhead (which acts more often than not as a fifth column whore) in the Dar al Islam? The oil is running out*, let the Arabs and Maghrebis sink back into savagery and chase all the muzzies back home. Persia, Bangaladesh and Indonesia will become the heart of Islamic civilisation. The rest is way too messed up.

*the Chinese will be mass production 30% efficiency solar panels within a decade. Thorium/sodium+water reactors will get off the ground and we have 200 million pounds of "spent" fuel in America alone which ought to keep us going for a couple of centuries.

The real question of course is, are the elites going to allow any sort of sane,reasonable,practical solutions? Of course not, it will require oceans of blood as usual, just hopefully this time the FDRs, Morgenthaus and Uncle Joe's also get the last cigarettes and blindfolds.

Blogger sysadmn January 23, 2015 8:57 AM  

SNL, circa 1975 or so:

[Cab pulls into traffic. Honking horns artfully segue to more pompous music. Cut to another spinning newspaper with headline: ISRAEL AND GEORGIA TRADE PLACES; Cut to a press conference where, beneath their respective flags, an Israeli and a Georgian sit at a table surrounded by journalists and photographers, signing papers]

Narrator: In an unprecedented move to ease world tensions, the country of Israel and the state of Georgia have agreed to change places. The entire state of Georgia -- residents, businesses, all forms of commerce -- will relocate in the Middle East on January 1st, 1977. No buildings will be moved. It will be an even property exchange. [Music out.]

Israeli: This is indeed an auspicious occasion of the twentieth century and I hope that New Orleans will be easier to deal with than Cairo. [applause]

Georgian: I know - I know that my entire state is looking forward to heat without humidity. [applause]

Anonymous cecilhenry January 23, 2015 8:58 AM  

Let them build their own instead of being given it or stealing it.

Mozambique is free, how about pacific island. Antartica is quite open as well.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 9:02 AM  

I for one am amenable to hearing more about the gentlemen's views on mass deportation of a troublesome population.

This is also an interesting exercise as to *how* the revolution devours its own. They give you anti-blasphemy laws against Islam, they criminalize denying a state-sanctioned truth, they support deporting their enemies... and then all stand around with gobsmacked faces when it's illegal to question the divinity of Christ and offenders are shipped off to Containment Center #12.

Anonymous Mike M. January 23, 2015 9:02 AM  

Vox, the idea of using Israel as bait is cold. Good strategy, though, as it allows easy interdiction of the battlespace.

I think it was James Dunnigan who noted that Israel could be treated as just another fractious Middle Eastern country. The only difference being that they didn't have oil, and did have a better combat record than the opposition.

Stg58, et. al.: If you dig into it, the Moslems grabbed the whole region in their initial jihads of conquest. It's always been fractious...the Roman Empire regarded Judea as a grade-A headache, and Ottoman Empire kept some semblance of peace only through a combination of bribes, punitive action, and not inquiring too deeply into local affairs.

Anonymous Discard January 23, 2015 9:13 AM  

I'm a confirmed "anti-Semite", and I'm fine with Israel in most respects. My one beef is with their nuclear weapons and the Samson Option.

Alexander: I too am interested in population movement. The U.S. was a much nicer place when it had only 150 million.

Anonymous Quartermaster January 23, 2015 9:21 AM  

"The middle east. So many of them seem to admire the Muslim community, and they're convinced that it's a "religion of peace" after all. What could go wrong?"

Send the Dimocrats and GOP establishment. Civic improvements and such.

Blogger Rabbi B January 23, 2015 9:22 AM  

"Give the Jews their own state somewhere in the United States . . ."

How much more anti-Semitic can one get?

Anonymous aero January 23, 2015 9:22 AM  

If you want world peace. You have to remove the hate that in their heart.
A hateful heart is never at peace. They will kill there own family for the slightest inequity.

Anonymous karsten January 23, 2015 9:24 AM  

The continued existence of the State of Israel is absolutely NOT in the interests of the West. Quite the contrary.

A "second front in the Clash of Civiliations"? The most consequential "Clash of Civilizations" going on right now is between Judaism (and its many sock puppets, such as Cultural Marxism) and the West. As it ever has been.

The clash between Islam and the West is just a proxy fight that the Jews have engineered, a Frankenstein monster of a proxy of which the Jews sometimes lose control, but which they still foster, because they see traditional European man as the only consequential bulwark to their total consolidation of power, and any force that fights against traditional European man as their ally, even if it fights against them too.

And the only reason Islam is "aggressively expanding" into Europe is because the Judaics brainwashed the Europeans with Holocaustianity guilt into opening their doors. Expel the Muslims, and no more "aggressive expansion" of Islam. It's that simple.

And obviously, the presence of Israel doesn't make it any easier for Europe to get to the point where it can expel the Muslims.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 9:29 AM  

Oh boy, we're gonna need more popcorn...

Anonymous monarchist January 23, 2015 9:34 AM  

Anyone who supports the Jew in any fashion is a Neocon. End of story. Period.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 9:37 AM  

... Bullshit.

The Jews did not orchestrate the crossing at Gibraltar. The Jews did not orchestrate the Islamic victories over the Byzantine Empire - not in Syria, not in Anatolia, not in Constantinople. The Jews did not orchestrate Vlad Tepes, Skanderbeg, or The Crusaders. The Jews did not orchestrate Charlemagne.

Likewise, the Jews did not orchestrate 9/11, London bombings, Madrid bombings, Paris hostages, Sydney hostages, beheading of Lee Rigby, ISIS, or the intent to turn Europe into Dar al Islam.

To be reeeealy pedantic, the Jews did not make Tommy Hass live in Germany.

Islam has - and always will be - a threat to western civilization.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 23, 2015 9:40 AM  

the idea that there was peace in the middle east before Israel was created is laughable in the extreme.

Beat me to it.

Anonymous dw January 23, 2015 9:42 AM  

It only took -1 comments before somebody mentioned the Jews.

Blogger stats January 23, 2015 9:43 AM  

Who killed Vox and replaced with a neo-con? Muslims are not a threat to the West. Illiterate, irrational and technologically inept. If we kept them out of the West they would be mostly harmless. But Israel and neo-cons have turned the Mid-East into a charnel house. And thanks to Jewish immigration laws the Muslims are streaming into Western nations.

Israel is a losing proposition on all levels for the West.

My prefrence is to resettle them in the Pale.

But this ain't going to happen. War against the Jews is a losing proposition. Germany proved that.

Blogger Bodichi January 23, 2015 9:45 AM  

@DW

The original topic was about the Jews. Your comment is akin to being flabbergasted that a topic about algebra has comments about variables.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 9:46 AM  

Oh goody, lots of people who don't know what a 'neocon' is, but do have the midwit of intelligence to recognize it's not a good thing...

And so proceed directly to the fallacy "Neocon is a negative trait, I don't like you, therefore you are a neocon.'

/golfclap

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 9:48 AM  

The clash between Islam and the West is just a proxy fight that the Jews have engineered, a Frankenstein monster of a proxy of which the Jews sometimes lose control, but which they still foster, because they see traditional European man as the only consequential bulwark to their total consolidation of power, and any force that fights against traditional European man as their ally, even if it fights against them too.

And the only reason Islam is "aggressively expanding" into Europe is because the Judaics brainwashed the Europeans with Holocaustianity guilt into opening their doors. Expel the Muslims, and no more "aggressive expansion" of Islam. It's that simple.


Will you please shut up and go read about fifty history books?

Thanks.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 9:53 AM  

JOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS

And Hanukkah Harry!

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 9:53 AM  

The original topic was about the Jews. Your comment is akin to being flabbergasted that a topic about algebra has comments about variables.

It was a joke, you anti dentite

Anonymous rienzi January 23, 2015 9:55 AM  

Why not give them Mexico? It will soon be empty in any event, with its entire population enjoying the wonders of the USA.

Anonymous RedJack January 23, 2015 9:55 AM  

Alexander,

Read up on the history of the conquest of Spain by the Moors.

There is a reason the Spanish distrusted the Jews, even the converted ones, more than the muslims.

Anonymous cheddarman January 23, 2015 9:56 AM  

Islam claims to be the religion of peace. Are they also the religion of "piece," as in piece of arse?

If practicing Islam helps a man get more booty, either quantitatively or quantitatively, that could be a powerful driver for the future growth of the Dar al Islam.

Something for the men of the West to consider.

Blogger Bodichi January 23, 2015 9:56 AM  

@Josh

That's "Anti-Dentite Bastard" to you.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 23, 2015 9:59 AM  

NeoCon- A group founded by immigrant Trotskyites to advance the one world government. They love wars fought by other people. They support big government. They put allegiance to Israel before allegiance to the United States. Primarily a Jewish movement, but they have various Gentile followers, notably Dick Cheney, John McCain, John Bolton and Lindsey Graham.

That good enough for you?

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:00 AM  

RedJack,

I did not say that Jews were the friends of the West.

I am well aware of the justifications the Spaniards had following the Reconquista. But you'll note that was not my point: Did the Jews convince the Muslims to cross into Spain in the first place? No, they did not: how they may have interacted with the conquerors is a separate issue to allowing the conquering to take place.

Islam is our Enemy. Whether the Jews are a fellow traveler, a 'neutral' party we should keep an eye on, or are also an enemy... plays no bearing on the idea that OMG MUSLIMS ARE OUR FRIENDS IF NOT FOR THE JEWS.

OpenID cailcorishev January 23, 2015 10:00 AM  

"Give the Jews their own state somewhere in the United States . . ."

We probably have some lightly-used Indian reservations on land that's not too unlike Israel.

Likewise, the Jews did not orchestrate 9/11, London bombings, Madrid bombings, Paris hostages, Sydney hostages, beheading of Lee Rigby, ISIS, or the intent to turn Europe into Dar al Islam.

Well, that depends. If you think any of those were false-flag operations run by the US government, then Jews were certainly involved, though not solely responsible.

As for bringing Islam to Europe, obviously Jews don't want complete Islamic takeover. But I bet it wouldn't be too hard to find Jewish writers talking about the good-old-days when Islam advanced partway into Europe and Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived peacefully together. I've heard that many times as part of an argument that Islam can be peaceful. I don't know how many of the people arguing that were Jewish, but as commonly as you hear that kind of thing from media and academia, some almost have to be.

Looking at history, it's not hard to see why a Jewish person would feel more secure living in a half-Christian, half-Muslim village than in one that was homogeneous either way. If they're watching each other, they're not looking at you. You might even be able to advance your own interests by playing a little "let's you and him fight" once in a while. That's just rational self-interest.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:03 AM  

Why not give them Mexico? It will soon be empty in any event, with its entire population enjoying the wonders of the USA.

Sheldon, go back to playing with your train set.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:09 AM  

Cute, Chris Mallory, but too short for this ride.

Neocon, as in "Neo-Conservative", as in "Not originally a conservative but now is". Which in American parlance means someone who is someone whose social and economic views are generally left-wing, but has migrated to the right politically due to support for our international policies: most obviously, fighting wars.

So to call me a neocon, or "neocon scum", *without* any concept of my social and economic positions, is just throwing shit on the wall and hoping something will stick. It smells bad and it plopped into your hand, so you might as well throw it at me, right?

I've been on VD for a few years now: plenty of posts to get an idea on whether I am a neocon or not. I suggest talking to Ron, or looking at any of my comments on threads that begin with a major newspaper bemoaning the fate of the Jews.

Pointing out the Jews didn't sack Constantinople is not the same thing as demanding Americans die in a third world shithole to protect Jewish interests.

Anonymous Starbuck January 23, 2015 10:14 AM  

This is simple. The USA should not force Israel to relocate, that is an absurd idea. It isn't our country.

As for being pro-jewish/Israeli being a neocon, pfft! You cannot define people like that.

Israel achieved statehood through politics with the British and then terror type war. Made the british want to leave. Then was asked and granted statehood through the UN. The USA and Soviet Union both voted yes. They both agreed to make Israel a state. In one day.

They have kept and even expanded their country through war. The arabs tried 3 times to destroy the state of Israel. They did not succeed. If you want to get rid of Israel, you will have to do it through war.

Note: God said in the Bible that Israel is the apple of God's eye. If you want to go to war with Israel, just remember you are starting a war with God... I am thinking that isn't too wise. If you want to badmouth and talk trash about Israel, that is God's chosen people you are badmouthing. How do you react when someone badmouths your child? or Mother? or Father? Same thing but on a grander scale.

As for me, I will pray for the peace of Israel and pray that she recognizes her Messiah. (I hear there has been some progress in that area :)

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:15 AM  

Cail,

No doubt. But note that I was responding to the idea that the Jews were orchestrating the very *concept* of Islam-Christian rivalry and warfare, not that they weren't necessarily benefiting or attempting to benefit from the situation they found themselves, or that they wouldn't have a preference for a particular situation.

As for false-flags in the United States: Yes, possibly - probably - a fair point. But then, unless the shores of Tripoli was also a false flag, the idea that Muslims were always a peaceful loving sort with the west up until the Jews tricked us is false.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:15 AM  

Note: God said in the Bible that Israel is the apple of God's eye. If you want to go to war with Israel, just remember you are starting a war with God...

There's the ancient state of Israel, the modern state of Israel, and the Jewish people.

Are all three the apple of God's eye?

Anonymous Starbuck January 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

Also, we can support Israel without having to go to war. Israel can take care of itself. But we also shouldn't resist Israel and demand she pulls out of wars she starts or someone starts with her. Let Israel FINISH the wars they get into. Israel is not ours to control.

Blogger Rabbi B January 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

"The clash between Islam and the West is just a proxy fight that the Jews have engineered . . ."

And this serves Jewish interests how, exactly?

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 10:18 AM  

-Alexander

plays no bearing on the idea that OMG MUSLIMS ARE OUR FRIENDS IF NOT FOR THE JEWS

I don't think there are too many anti-talmudists here who are islamophiles.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:19 AM  

And this serves Jewish interests how, exactly?

Look man, don't try and bring logic into this discussion...

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 10:19 AM  

karsten and monarchist,

Show us on the doll where the Jews touched you.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:20 AM  

I don't think there are too many anti-talmudists here who are islamophiles.

Why use Talmudist? Why not just use Jews? Unless you're using it as a signaling device or dog whistle...

Anonymous VD January 23, 2015 10:20 AM  

Be polite, monarchist, or be silenced.

Muslims are not a threat to the West. Illiterate, irrational and technologically inept. If we kept them out of the West they would be mostly harmless.

That was true 100 years ago. We did not keep them out of the West, ergo they are not mostly harmless.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:21 AM  

takin' a look,

I don't make any claim to know what goes on in the minds of Karsten and Monarchist. Quantitatively, I'd guess "not much". Qualitatively, you'll have to ask them yourself.

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 10:22 AM  

Likewise, the Jews did not orchestrate 9/11, London bombings, Madrid bombings, Paris hostages, Sydney hostages, beheading of Lee Rigby, ISIS, or the intent to turn Europe into Dar al Islam.

Well, that depends. If you think any of those were false-flag operations run by the US government


If a person hears about an attack or mass shooting or other similar event and the first thought in his head is "false flag," then that says more about his mental state than anything else.

/ My kingdom for a WYSIWYG text editor on this blog

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 23, 2015 10:23 AM  

When it comes to other tribes, the US doesn't have good track record. Between slavery and genocide to welfare and casinos, yeah the Jews will do fine here.

Anonymous Starbuck January 23, 2015 10:23 AM  

There's the ancient state of Israel, the modern state of Israel, and the Jewish people.

Are all three the apple of God's eye?


What are you trying to say? Yes I have seen the arguments that the people of Israel are not the true jews, I flat out reject that as being asinine.

Jews are a nickname they called themselves once they came back to the land of Judea from Babylon. They make of the tribes Levi, Judah and Benjamin. Israel is the land for the Hebrews, Jews are a subset of Hebrews. The lost tribes I hear aren't so lost anymore. I believe there are some groups that are confirming with DNA evidence of which Israeli tribe they belong to and some have immigrated to Israel. But I have no proof, just what I hear some rabbis talking about.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 23, 2015 10:24 AM  

Then again, we have plenty of conservatives who are big Zionists, so it may work our well. Right up until the Orthodox Jews start engaging in 4G warfare against Christians as they do in Israel.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:25 AM  

If a person hears about an attack or mass shooting or other similar event and the first thought in his head is "false flag," then that says more about his mental state than anything else.

I'm disappointed that it took so long in the Charlie Hebdo thread for someone to shout FALSE FLAG...

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:26 AM  

What are you trying to say?

That specific words in a specific context have specific meanings.

Anonymous Schmoe January 23, 2015 10:27 AM  

Just out of curiosity, has Josh ever posted something worth reading, or is it always pointless hipster snark that just needs to be scrolled over?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:30 AM  

Just out of curiosity, has Josh ever posted something worth reading, or is it always pointless hipster snark that just needs to be scrolled over?

Runner up commenter champ last year.

Bitch.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

Georgia represent!

Anonymous Stilicho January 23, 2015 10:32 AM  

Obviously, a two-state solution is needed: Jerusalem for the Orthodox Jews, Brooklyn for the secular/reform Jews.

Blogger Bodichi January 23, 2015 10:33 AM  

@Josh

Flippancy does not a good comment make.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 10:34 AM  

-Rabbi B

A multitude of ways. Predominately it removes strongman dictators like Quadafi and Hussein. Balkanizes the region, gets all the different sects/tribes/factions at each other's throats as opposed to Israel's a la the Oded Yinon plan.

Really, I don't care one whit what happens to that shitty little country or the savages in the rest of the Levant. I just want the kikenvermin and sand rats OUT of Europe and all other White lands. Restart the Haavara Agreement, with a concurrent reconquista, operation wetback and rebooted American Colonization Society. The NNAMs and Red Indians and Abos and Bushman already here plus loyalists of whatever race may remain to be further assimilated.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:34 AM  

Obviously, a two-state solution is needed: Jerusalem for the Orthodox Jews, Brooklyn for the secular/reform Jews.

What about south Florida?

Anonymous Starbuck January 23, 2015 10:35 AM  

Obviously, a two-state solution is needed: Jerusalem for the Orthodox Jews, Brooklyn for the secular/reform Jews.

Want to know what WILL happen with Israel? Read Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelations.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 10:37 AM  

What about spiritual Israel? Are they the apple of God's eye?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 10:38 AM  

What about spiritual Israel? Are they the apple of God's eye?

Depends on whom you ask.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 10:39 AM  

"What about south Florida?"

See, this is where we are unappreciated. We Georgians, *since the founding of our state*, have fulfilled our sacred task of keeping a watchful eye on Florida and keeping whatever goes on down there from infecting the rest of the country.

No shit, Josh's comments are short - guy's got a watch to keep.

Not a lot of Spaniards* in Tennessee or Ohio, now are there? You're all welcome.





* Not who came up through St. Augustine, at any rate.

Anonymous Stilicho January 23, 2015 10:44 AM  

What about south Florida?

That's being ceded to Cuba.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

-Josh

Well, I don't have a problem with Karaite Jews. They've been around for 2,000 years, don't follow the Talmud, zohar, caballah, gemetria. They don't seem to have pissed off the gentiles ever. They were the Old World's "Model Minority", The NAMs of their day.

In other words, it would be like me hating on Sikhs or Hindus because they similar coloring to American Blacks. American Blacks are violent, parasitical, retarded devil children in humanoid shape. Sikhs and Hindus generally are functional and productive members of society. Not necessarily a needed or great component, but not a drag.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 23, 2015 10:53 AM  

Sorry Alex, mine is the correct American definition, including the basic origin. American NeoCons are full tilt Israel supporters above all. They are a group started by Jewish Trotskyites, that is a fact, not in dispute. They love war fought by other people's kids. The primary litmus test for a NeoCon is support of Israel. NeoCons have controlled the US government since at least 1993.

Anonymous Alexander January 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

Right.... so... leftists who love foreign intervention, especially when it benefits - or is advertised as benefiting, Israel.

But you must have all the components to be part of the group. In the same way that a steering wheel is not a car, simply being observed as Pro-Israel is not the same thing as being a neocon (even if it's a good indicator).

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

"Show us on the doll where the Jews touched you."

SO MUCH LULZ

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 11:01 AM  

The primary litmus test for a NeoCon is support of Israel.

No. The primary litmus test is their devotion to worldwide democratic revolution.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 23, 2015 11:02 AM  

If a person hears about an attack or mass shooting or other similar event and the first thought in his head is "false flag," then that says more about his mental state than anything else.

Agreed, there is being skeptical and then there is being divorced from reality. It's one of the reasons why I don't look at the comments at zero hedge anymore. The breaking point was when individuals were trying to link the latest Malaysian airlines travesty to some sort of covert action by the US government.

Anonymous dw January 23, 2015 11:03 AM  

Where is Wheeler? Did the idea of moving the Jews to the US give him an aneurism or something?

In all seriousness, I fail to see why the Muslims hating Israel, and thus hating anyone who supports Israel, should matter to us. I dont give a shit what the camel jockeys think, they hate everyone and have been violent since day one. Appeasing them wont make a lick of difference. And moving Israel here would simply drag that conflict to the US for no reason.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 11:09 AM  

American Blacks are violent, parasitical, retarded devil children in humanoid shape.

What about African blacks?

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 11:13 AM  

-Josh

No. The primary litmus test is their devotion to worldwide democratic revolution

Ah, tikken olem With Victoria Nuland (Nederman) at it's helm. The flower of the Bradford pear would suit the Neo-cons well.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 11:22 AM  

-Josh

From what I've seen, just as bad. Negros in Negroland wasn't a nightmare fairy tale. But at least they don't quite sink to the depravity of Australian Aborigines. Sucking urine and vaginal secretions outta a cow's ass isn't the same as old boongs drinking a youth elixir of raped prepubescent virgin blood mixed with the young rapists' semen. They used the vanes of emu feathers to rip the girl open internally and let her partially heal before they sicced the teen boys on her.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 11:27 AM  

...backs slowly away....

Blogger CarpeOro January 23, 2015 11:29 AM  

Just scratching my head. A Dutchman suggested this? I thought the Netherlands was historically tolerant of Jews. Why don't they simply allocate a chunk of the North Sea and reclaim it, like they did most of the Netherlands. Or for that matter, resurrect the Patagonia proposal. Argentina is in bad enough straits and run by a government that may be willing to sell it.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 11:33 AM  

-Josh

I'm just repeating what the anthropologists observed

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 11:33 AM  

Fanatic devotion to democratic revolution? What about a fanatical devotion to the Pope?

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 11:35 AM  

"I'm just repeating what the anthropologists observed'

but ancient vikings were totally civilized!

Blogger YIH January 23, 2015 11:37 AM  

Josh:
What about south Florida?
They can have it.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 11:37 AM  

I'm just repeating what the anthropologists observed

Ya ever notice that your Dr Roheim was Jewish?

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 11:41 AM  

-Nate

I dunno, they supposedly had the blood eagle.

-Josh

Yes, what of it? You sound anti-Semitic or something.....

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 11:42 AM  

"I dunno, they supposedly had the blood eagle."

and the whole gang raping the girl before they burned her alive on the Earl's funeral barge

Anonymous Stilicho January 23, 2015 11:46 AM  

and the whole gang raping the girl before they burned her alive on the Earl's funeral barge

That's big talk for someone whose ancestors introduced institutionalized sodomy and pederasty to the West.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 11:47 AM  

-Nate

True enough, get a slave wench drunk and high enough and she'll do the whole longship. I don't think they were ripping uteruses out of little girls though...even slave girls, to drink their blood.

Blogger Rabbi B January 23, 2015 11:49 AM  

"Look man, don't try and bring logic into this discussion..."

Philistine . . .

Blogger YIH January 23, 2015 11:51 AM  

CarpeOro:
I thought the Netherlands was historically tolerant of Jews.
So was pre-1933 Germany.
It's like a man who kicks a dog repeatedly then wonders why the dog up and bites him.

Blogger Brad Andrews January 23, 2015 11:53 AM  

Starbuck,

Read a bit closer and you will find that the faithful from the entire country went to the south when Israel and Judah split apart. The south was ALL the tribes at the time.

The terms Jew, Judah and Israel are pretty much freely intermixed in describing the return from Babylon as well, indicating a firm division is not applicable.

Josh,

God chose a specific line of descendants of Abraham for His own reasons. They are often contentious as we can read about, but His blessing was unconditional. We don't have to fight their wars, but we are pretty stupid if we start attacking them ourselves.

Their actions are completely consistent with their stupid behavior shown in the books of Kings and Chronicles in the Bible. A clear seed was promised to David to be kept and therefore I believe it has been. It was also promised to Mary that her son, Jesus, would sit on the throne of David. That requires that line to be in existence somehow over the years if true.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 11:55 AM  

"True enough, get a slave wench drunk and high enough and she'll do the whole longship. I don't think they were ripping uteruses out of little girls though...even slave girls, to drink their blood. "

No... but there were queens scouring the countryside for virgins... killing them.. and bathing in the blood.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 11:58 AM  

"That's big talk for someone whose ancestors introduced institutionalized sodomy and pederasty to the West."

Introduced to the West? Bitch please. We didn't introduce anything to West. We created the West.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother January 23, 2015 11:59 AM  

If I had a sword I would name it Logic. Then I would chop people in half.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 12:00 PM  

-Nate

I think you've mixed up the legend of Elizabeth Bathory with the Nords.

Blogger Doom January 23, 2015 12:02 PM  

If you equate peace with surrender to the most aggressive enemy, then yes, this is one small step toward that sort of peace. As well, it removes one, and the main, place for Jews in the world. As fast and hard as the US has and is secularizing, if all Jews could be forced here, it might well end Judaism if the US goes full steam the way it is heading. I don't think Catholicism will do well, especially with a pope that is pushing for secularism. Catholics will do what they must, but the church... Heck, the pope suggests that we stop breeding like rabbits. At least he held off calling us rats, must have had a speech reviewer with some very small sense of things. Typical thing for a gay to say, if I had to guess.

Imagine if, in the 20's, politicians started pushing Jews and Catholics into Germany and Russia. And, if what was going to happen was any more sure, the same voices would have existed, saying the same things. Remember, the Catholic church was next on the list, as were aristocrats, in Germany. We were the first on the list in Russia. Yeah, less a hope for peace, more a surrender with anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic benefits.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 12:03 PM  

'
I think you've mixed up the legend of Elizabeth Bathory with the Nords."

I think if you can lump all brown africans together I can lump all white europeans together.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother January 23, 2015 12:05 PM  

Doom you crazy!

Anonymous realmatt January 23, 2015 12:14 PM  

I hate it here so much. Surrounded by "people" i share very little with, culturally. I want them all dead.

Please. No more Jews. I hate them too.

I hate NY.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 12:17 PM  

-Nate

I don't think the deranged individual behavior of Elizabeth Bathory reflects on Europeans as a whole. Though we did practice cannibalism into the Elizabethan Age, but by God, we wait until people were dead and buried!

Africans on the other hand.......well, it's not uncommon for live animals to have their limbs hacked off still alive and watching as they cook and eat them. Live meat doesnt spoil as quickly ya know

Anonymous Prof. Peter Singer January 23, 2015 12:18 PM  

From a utilitarian perspective, there's really nothing 'wrong' with uterus eating and blood bathing.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 12:23 PM  

-Prof. Peter Singer

Puts ladyfingers, baby oil and spotted dick in a whole new perspective doesn't it?

Blogger Bob Wallace January 23, 2015 12:26 PM  

If the Muslims there didn't have Israel to unite them in their hate they would fall on each other.

Blogger Mekadave January 23, 2015 12:38 PM  

What about south Florida?

That's being ceded to Cuba.


"Being" ceded? They've had it since the Mariel boatlift, at least. We've had the running joke since I was a kid that you need your passport to drive from Broward county to Dade county.

Anonymous Schmoe January 23, 2015 12:41 PM  

"Runner up commenter champ last year.

Bitch."

Wow, you really showed me. Congratulations on having a lot of free time to fill up with inane content-free posts. No wonder someone as pathetic as John Scalzi can still manage to feel a sense of superiority to the user-base here.

Anonymous Prof. Peter Singer January 23, 2015 12:43 PM  

Puts ladyfingers, baby oil and spotted dick in a whole new perspective doesn't it?

Tell me more. Sounds like a potentially lucrative research grant.

Anonymous zen0 January 23, 2015 12:46 PM  

> If the Muslims there didn't have Israel to unite them in their hate they would fall on each other.

They do that anyway, just not as often as otherwise. Look at poor old Muammar Gaddafi when he was under siege. He basically said to the insurgents "What are you coming after me for, we are supposed to be fighting Israel!"

Didn't work.

ISIL is supposedly trying to take over Hamas now because they are too moderate. Instead of good cop/bad cop, its bad cop / badder cop.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 12:51 PM  

@Josh January 23, 2015 10:20 AM
I don't think there are too many anti-talmudists here who are islamophiles.
Why use Talmudist? Why not just use Jews? Unless you're using it as a signaling device or dog whistle...


It is not a dog whistle. Talmudism is the Babylonian religion the Judahites brought back to Jerusalem upon returning from Babylon; Talmudism, also known as Judaism, spread to the Khazars and Ashkenazi of the Caucasus and eastern Europe. The Judahites who reject the Talmud and accept only the Torah are called Karaites: these latter tend to suffer the least from pogroms; I have read that on one occasion a Russian Czar when deporting the Jews, excluded the Karaites for they were less troublesome.

The Judeo- as in "Judeo-Christian" refers to the Talmudists not the Hebrewism, as one writer put it, of the ancient Israelites.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 12:55 PM  

@ Starbuck January 23, 2015 10:23 AM
Jews are a nickname they called themselves once they came back to the land of Judea from Babylon.

No, the term Jew was a derisive name the Israelites called the Judahites after the split up of Israel after Solomon.

Anonymous takin' a look January 23, 2015 12:59 PM  

-Prof. Peter Singer

All I can suggest is stay away from the spotted dick, unless you want spotted lips, tongue and throat.

Anonymous Keck January 23, 2015 12:59 PM  

"Even if you are a confirmed anti-semite, you cannot rationally deny that the continued existence of the State of Israel is absolutely in the interests of the West"

But just imagine all those Jewish deli's we'd get if they moved here. I'm in favor of it....if only for the chopped liver and pastrami

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 1:06 PM  

Wow, you really showed me. Congratulations on having a lot of free time to fill up with inane content-free posts. No wonder someone as pathetic as John Scalzi can still manage to feel a sense of superiority to the user-base here.

Haters gonna hate.

Do you have anything to contribute to this discussion aside from whinging about my awesomeness?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 23, 2015 1:14 PM  

Josh: "Will you please shut up and go read about fifty history books?"

If you've got an argument to make, make it.

Josh: "Sheldon, go back to playing with your train set."

If you've got an argument to make, make it.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 1:17 PM  

@ YIH January 23, 2015 11:51 AM

Thank you for the link: "
'Islamization of Europe a good thing'>
Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God "


Given the verifiable fact that north-western Europe and the British Isles are Israelite nations - Oh BTW, when you pray for Israel, it means all the tribes, not just Judahites - the good rabbi is calling for not only the genocide of Israelites but also of Christians.

Let the tribe of Judah and its hangers-on have what was historically the area comprising the kingdom of Judah; when the Israelite tribes are brought back to the middle east, as Yahweh has promised, there will be a sorting out of who is whom under the leadership of Ephraim: the Edomites will be stubble to the fire of Ephraim.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 1:23 PM  

If you've got an argument to make, make it.

My argument is that Jews generally act in favour of Jewish interests, which are not always American, British, French, German, etc interests. My argument is also that, with so much that Jews have historically done, and can be blamed for, those who instinctively blame everything on the Jews are not doing a very good job of convincing others.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 1:24 PM  

Given the verifiable fact that north-western Europe and the British Isles are Israelite nations

What's this verifiable fact and how is it verified?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 23, 2015 1:26 PM  

Chris Mallory: "The next best place would be the middle of Australia."

According to a Christian Palestinian friend, the assumption that the Jews will take only part of your land is an unsafe one.

Also, through promotion of multiculturalism and mass non-white immigration, our Jewish friends are and have for decades been busily engaged in depriving us of all the land, and our very existence. To make any part of the land formally Jewish, like Israel the Jewish state, would suggest speeding our extirpation up.

Therefore: sorry, no room.

Jews belong in Israel, far from our evil white selves and (after the local Christians are crushed) far from the "hypocritical" Christianity they hate so much. There, among people with sweet and loving Middle Eastern temperaments like their own, they must find happiness at last.

Anywhere else is just a continuation of "exile" -- and we wouldn't want that, would we?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 23, 2015 1:33 PM  

Josh: "My argument is also that, with so much that Jews have historically done, and can be blamed for, those who instinctively blame everything on the Jews are not doing a very good job of convincing others."

There is no such instinct. Rather, people come by wariness regarding Jewish use of power through the experience of suffering individual or group-interest harm from it -- and then recognizing what has happened despite many billions of dollars worth of propaganda in the educational system, the news media and the entertainment media, plus speech controls that inhibit the truth spreading by word of mouth.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 1:45 PM  

Titus...

if I may invoke Sam...

Show us on the doll where the Jew touched you.

Anonymous paradox January 23, 2015 1:47 PM  

Considering a great number of Jews are atheists, Israel should remain in the Middle East. Then we transport the world's atheists there.

Anonymous paradox January 23, 2015 1:53 PM  

What do have against the the US?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 23, 2015 2:00 PM  

Nate, if you and Samuel Scott have arguments, you should make them.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:01 PM  


@ Josh January 23, 2015 1:24 PM
Anthropologists and Archeologists have traced the passage of the Israelites from where the Assyrians moved them - the Assyrian clay tablets record the Israelites' leaving the area - through the Caucasus , up the Danube to its source, and then up into Europe. The Israelites were at times known as the Parthians, the Scythians, the Cimmerans (from the king of Israel Omri > Khumri > Cimmera), and as the Goths. The Israelites were the Greeks post the Ionians; they were also the Trojans, then Romans; then via Prince Brutus of Rome - upon his exile, he went to Greece, freed the Trojans being held, and departed to England, founding the city of New Troy (in Latin of course) which later became known as London.

As I wrote on another thread, the kingly line of Judah's son Zarah - he of the scarlet ribbon - removed itself to northern Ireland (Ulster Ireland); the kingly lines were united into one after the death of Zedekiah and his sons: his daughters were taken to Ireland by Jeremiah where one of the daughters married the heir to the throne. Scotland, when it sought help from the Pope due to English predation, sent a declaration of Independence in which they traced their lineage back to the Kingdom of Judah.
In heraldry, the red hand on the Irish flag is a direct reference to Zarah. The presence of the heraldic lions on the seals of Ireland, Scotland, and England are direct references to Judah.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:05 PM  

The Israelites were the Greeks post the Ionians; they were also the Trojans, then Romans; then via Prince Brutus of Rome - upon his exile, he went to Greece, freed the Trojans being held, and departed to England, founding the city of New Troy (in Latin of course) which later became known as London.

So it's just Jews, Jews, Jews all the way down?

Blogger Rabbi B January 23, 2015 2:10 PM  

Magic yarmulkes . . . . Finally!

http://news.yahoo.com/magic-yarmulke-aims-protect-european-jews-attacks-093001219.html

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 2:11 PM  

njartist,

For all of that: (credible) citation needed.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:13 PM  

continued...my apologies to our host;

The Anglo-Saxons: Anglo is derived form the Hebrew word for bull; Saxon is the contraction of the words "Isaac's sons." The Great Seal of the United States is based on the heraldic signs of the tribe of Manasseh. The United States and England are said by biblical scholars to be together the tribe of Joseph; and that the blessings of Jacob on Joseph's two sons have been fulfilled in the U.S. and England.

Once it is understood that the U.S. is an Israelite nation, then is realized that the blessing and curse of Deuteronomy 28 emphatically applies to us: we were once a nation founded by Christians and dedicated to Yahweh and the blessing for doing so were accorded to us; now, having turned away from God, His Commandments, and His statutes, we have fully come under the curses: this nation is finished: there is no political solution; there is no economic solution; there is no national solution; there is no fleeing the country: there is only the individual calling upon the name of Jesus in order to be saved; but that does not preclude martyrdom. The rest: to famine, plague, and the sword: fleeing the country only means the sword will follow after you.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:13 PM  

In heraldry, the red hand on the Irish flag is a direct reference to Zarah. The presence of the heraldic lions on the seals of Ireland, Scotland, and England are direct references to Judah.

Also Haile Selassie...

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:18 PM  

Yo, Sammy - footnotes and a bibliography are not required in blog comments. What I wrote is based on my reading from which I did not take notes in preparation for a term paper. Nor is anyone here required to post as though they are presenting a paper. Your demand is a form of disqualifying.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:18 PM  

The Anglo-Saxons: Anglo is derived form the Hebrew word for bull; Saxon is the contraction of the words "Isaac's sons."

The name of the Angles was first recorded in Latinised form, as Anglii, in the Germania of Tacitus. It is thought to derive from the name of the area they originally inhabited: Angeln in modern German, Angel in Danish. This name has been hypothesised to originate from the Germanic root for "narrow" (compare German eng = "narrow"), meaning "the Narrow [Water]", i.e. the Schlei estuary; the root would be angh, "tight". Another theory is that the name meant "hook", as in angling for fish; Julius Pokorny, a major Indo-European linguist, derives it from *ang-, "bend" (see ankle).

The Saxons may have derived their name from seax, a kind of knife for which they were known. The seax has a lasting symbolic impact in the English counties of Essex and Middlesex, both of which feature three seaxes in their ceremonial emblem. Their names, along with those of Sussex and Wessex, contain a remnant of the word "Saxon".

The Hebrew word for bull is baqar

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:20 PM  

Josh;
There could be something there: Yemen and Ethiopia are considered to be parts of the realm of the Queen of Sheba.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:20 PM  

Your demand is a form of disqualifying.

It certainly is not.

If you say archaeologists discovered...

It is reasonable for one to ask "which archaeologists"...

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 2:22 PM  

Yo, Sammy - footnotes and a bibliography are not required in blog comments. What I wrote is based on my reading from which I did not take notes in preparation for a term paper. Nor is anyone here required to post as though they are presenting a paper. Your demand is a form of disqualifying.

If someone were to post something equally as ludicrous -- such as, the earth is flat -- the burden of proof is on the person making the statement.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:23 PM  

There could be something there: Yemen and Ethiopia are considered to be parts of the realm of the Queen of Sheba.

Awesome.

So anyone who uses the symbol of a lion is Israelite.

Hey guys Calvin Johnson is Jewish!

Blogger Kurt January 23, 2015 2:25 PM  

Why not stop holding them back and let them wipe their enemies out? We are better off as a world without them. You can't have peace, ever, until your enemies are crushed. That is why we don't have it, because the Cathedral won't allow it.

Tell them - gloves are off, do whatever you want to - let them do what they did in Biblical times and eradicate their enemies. That is the only peace that will work.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:28 PM  

No Josh. Shall I henceforth demand that that you verify every thing you state here - even your snark - with links identifying the professionals behind every claim? I don't think so; this blog would be heavy from just the footnotes and links to every book, article, or lecture - video or live - in your intellectual history from which you cull the contents of your posts. I had this issue before with you a couple of months ago.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:28 PM  

The Great Seal of the United States is based on the heraldic signs of the tribe of Manasseh.

Wrong.

The primary official explanation of the symbolism of the great seal was given by Charles Thomson upon presenting the final design for adoption by Congress. He wrote:

The Escutcheon is composed of the chief & pale, the two most honorable ordinaries. The Pieces, paly, represent the several states all joined in one solid compact entire, supporting a Chief, which unites the whole & represents Congress. The Motto alludes to this union. The pales in the arms are kept closely united by the chief and the Chief depends upon that union & the strength resulting from it for its support, to denote the Confederacy of the United States of America & the preservation of their union through Congress.

The colours of the pales are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valor, and Blue, the colour of the Chief signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice. The Olive branch and arrows denote the power of peace & war which is exclusively vested in Congress. The Constellation denotes a new State taking its place and rank among other sovereign powers. The Escutcheon is born on the breast of an American Eagle without any other supporters to denote that the United States of America ought to rely on their own Virtue.

Reverse. The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye over it & the Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause. The date underneath is that of the Declaration of Independence and the words under it signify the beginning of the new American Æra, which commences from that date.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:35 PM  

The Israelites were at times known as the Parthians, the Scythians, the Cimmerans (from the king of Israel Omri > Khumri > Cimmera), and as the Goths.

HOLY CRAP CONAN THE BARBARIAN WAS AN ISRAELITE?

Anonymous Keck January 23, 2015 2:36 PM  

"Once it is understood that the U.S. is an Israelite nation, then is realized that the blessing and curse of Deuteronomy 28 emphatically applies to us:"

If we are an Israelite nation, why the fuck is it so hard to get a good pastrami sandwich. And don't start me on the dearth of Chopped Liver.

Also, if we are an Israelite nation, why aren't we getting more for the $3.1Billion we gave Israel in 2012 out of our $3.7 Trillion budget. Granted that its a miniscule percentage of overall spending...Still, you'd think they could ship some bagels this way!!

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:41 PM  

So anyone who uses the symbol of a lion is Israelite.
Hey guys Calvin Johnson is Jewish!


Not logical.

1. Everyone who who uses the symbol of a lion is Israelite;
2. (Unstated:) Calvin Johnson uses the symbol of a lion;
3. Calvin Johnson is a Jew.

If #1 is true that everyone who uses the symbol of a lion is Israelite; then at best Mr. Johnson, WETHHI, is an Israelite: we can not declare him to be Jewish, even though Judah is a subdivision of all the tribes of Judah. But then #1 is not a true statement.

Can you verify that Mr. Johnson uses a lion as an heraldic sign. Please give links either to the articles, books, professionals, or videos wherein this fact was was declared or shown: your memory of such things does not count as evidence: As you demand from others, so will it be demanded from you.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:42 PM  

Shall I henceforth demand that that you verify every thing you state here - even your snark - with links identifying the professionals behind every claim?

Please provide an example of me refusing to cite something when asked to do so.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 2:42 PM  

wow.

I had no idea the whole planet was jewish. No wonder everything is their fault.

Anonymous Stilicho January 23, 2015 2:43 PM  

For all of that: (credible) citation needed.

Dan Brown?

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 2:45 PM  

"Can you verify that Mr. Johnson uses a lion as an heraldic sign.'

hrmm...

I have giant lions on pillars at the gate to my property... and use all manner of lion symbolism.

So I am an Israelite?

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:45 PM  

Can you verify that Mr. Johnson uses a lion as an heraldic sign. Please give links either to the articles, books, professionals, or videos wherein this fact was was declared or shown: your memory of such things does not count as evidence: As you demand from others, so will it be demanded from you.

Sure.

Calvin Johnson Lion

Also, snoop dogg renamed himself snoop lion. Is he Israelite?

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 2:45 PM  

"Dan Brown?"

***chuckles***

Anonymous Keck January 23, 2015 2:45 PM  

"For all of that: (credible) citation needed.

Dan Brown?"

Ah! Tricky and funny!

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:48 PM  

Citation for snoop lion:

Snoop Dogg evolves into Snoop Lion

Snoop went to Jamaica a Dogg but returned a Lion after a religious and artistic awakening.

Rastafarian priests bestowed the new moniker Snoop Lion upon the music icon when he visited Jamaica in search of "a new path."

"I didn't know that until I went to the temple, where the High Priest asked me what my name was, and I said, 'Snoop Dogg.' And he looked me in my eyes and said, 'No more. You are the light; you are the lion.' From that moment on, it's like I had started to understand why I was there," he explained at a press conference.

Anonymous Stilicho January 23, 2015 2:51 PM  

Also Haile Selassie...

You mean the "Emperor of Ethiopia" and "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah"?

What about the Rastafarians then?

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 2:51 PM  

Sorry, Josh, all you have demonstrated is that Calvin is wearing the heraldic livery of an organization for which he is but an hireling. If you had declared that the Detroit Lions use the symbol of a lion; therefor, they are Jewish - at least the owners; you might have a case.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:51 PM  

http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_lions

Guys all these people are Israelites...

Blogger Krul January 23, 2015 2:52 PM  

Josh - HOLY CRAP CONAN THE BARBARIAN WAS AN ISRAELITE?

Yahweh laughs at your four winds. Laughs from his mountain.

Anonymous dw January 23, 2015 2:53 PM  

@Josh

Conan the Barbarian is obviously Jewish. Every story involves him killing dozens of goyim--we know theyre goyim because theyre dumb, weak, and powerless before Conan's Gentile-exploiting power, a typical Jewish fantasy--and taking their gold, women, and kingdoms. These signs are unmistakable. Do your research, sheeple!

QED.

Blogger Rabbi B January 23, 2015 2:53 PM  

"I had no idea the whole planet was jewish.'

WWJD - World Wide Jewish Domination ... try to keep up.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 2:57 PM  

'Sorry, Josh, all you have demonstrated is that Calvin is wearing the heraldic livery of an organization for which he is but an hireling. If you had declared that the Detroit Lions use the symbol of a lion; therefor, they are Jewish - at least the owners; you might have a case."

No.

What he's done...is force you to demonstrate your reasoning... and thus display your insanity.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:57 PM  

Sorry, Josh, all you have demonstrated is that Calvin is wearing the heraldic livery of an organization for which he is but an hireling.

You're just saying that because he's black.

Racis.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 2:59 PM  

If you had declared that the Detroit Lions use the symbol of a lion; therefor, they are Jewish - at least the owners; you might have a case.

Clearly the owners of the lions are Jewish.

Which means...

HENRY FORD WAS JEWISH!!!

The only reason he funded the Dearborn independent was to try and hide his Jewish roots.

Blown cover as cover.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 3:04 PM  

This thread has been seriously sidetracked. I am stopping before I am considered a troll.

So, back to the topic: New York City is already Jewish; make it Next Year in Newark: I've already left New Jersey.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 3:07 PM  

Oh, Hell...
Clearly the owners of the lions are Jewish.

Verify with links.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 3:10 PM  

Verify with links.

DETROIT LIONS LOGO IS A LION

Anonymous dw January 23, 2015 3:15 PM  

If everybody is Jewish, then the Jews really have won...

ON THE OTHER HAND

If everybody is Jewish...then nobody is Jewish, which means WE have won! At last the global Zio-Hebrao-Israeli-Talmudic-Jewish domination is at an end and we can all go.back to killing each other in peace!

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 3:16 PM  

If we're all Jewish, when do we get our secret bags of Jew gold?

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 3:21 PM  

If we're all Jewish, when do we get our secret bags of Jew gold?

When you pry it from our cold, dead bank accounts. :)

Anonymous Justine January 23, 2015 3:28 PM  

...and Vox finally gets outed as a Neocon.

Sad but unsurprising.

Then again, his hook nose gives it away.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 3:30 PM  

...and Vox finally gets outed as a Neocon.

Sad but unsurprising.

Then again, his hook nose gives it away.


Do you have any evidence that vox has ever used a lion has a heraldic symbol?

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 3:41 PM  

@ Josh January 23, 2015 3:16 PM
If we're all Jewish, when do we get our secret bags of Jew gold?

Didn't you get your certificate of ownership? Just call the the local Jewish gold vault and redeem it.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 4:01 PM  

Just fyi, if you don't want people to ask you for a citation, don't use "Given the verifiable fact..."

Anonymous 11B January 23, 2015 4:04 PM  

But I bet it wouldn't be too hard to find Jewish writers talking about the good-old-days when Islam advanced partway into Europe and Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived peacefully together. I've heard that many times as part of an argument that Islam can be peaceful. I don't know how many of the people arguing that were Jewish, but as commonly as you hear that kind of thing from media and academia, some almost have to be.

@ cailcorishev

It's not too hard to find. In fact I think they even refer to muslim Spain as the golden age. Keep in mind it is easier to be benevolent and peaceful when you are ruling over a conquered Christian land and need Jews to help you administer it. Of course those pesky Christians just could not leave well enough alone and had to go make trouble messing it up for all.

I find Israel interesting because the muslims do get so upset about it. It seems to me that the muslims had little problem with the Jews when they needed them to rule in Christian Spain or the Balkans. But Israel is a 180. Israel was created, if not by Christians, then certainly by Western institutions like the British Empire and later the UN. So in effect Israel is almost akin to Westerners carving out a piece of muslim territory and using the Jews to run it. That seems to drive them crazy. Yet they were OK with doing the same thing to Europeans.

What I find odd is how muslims are attacking Jews in Europe today. It doesn't make sense because if they treated the Jews well, the Jews could be their biggest supporters in continuing to come to Europe. They need the good will of the Jews to continue to come in and attempt to gain more control of Europe. Yet they attack Jews instead.

My guess is the low IQ muslims can't connect the dots and instead take out their rage on Jews. Not very smart from a strategic point of view. Like their predecessors learned before, when you try to take over a populous nation, you need to enlist all the allies you can get. And attacking the Jews is not the way to do it.

Blogger Res Ipsa January 23, 2015 4:23 PM  

I don't know, it seems like a good idea. Lets move all the Jews to Dearborn Michigan. If they do for Dearborn what they did for Bloomfield Hills it'll be a win-win.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother January 23, 2015 5:00 PM  

I nicknamed my penis "Lion" due to it being circumcised at the 8th day of my existence. I am half Jewish. All of you are dirty poseurs.

Anonymous Keck January 23, 2015 5:19 PM  

"I don't know, it seems like a good idea. Lets move all the Jews to Dearborn Michigan. If they do for Dearborn what they did for Bloomfield Hills it'll be a win-win."

Screw Dearborn. Michigan is dead.

I want them in my neighborhood:
-Nice People
-I'd be surrounded by Doctors and Lawyers
-Great delis would open
-No fucking Christmas lights in Nov and Dec.

Blogger Josh January 23, 2015 5:28 PM  

Shut up tad

Blogger Nate January 23, 2015 5:49 PM  

"So, back to the topic: New York City is already Jewish; make it Next Year in Newark: I've already left New Jersey."

On this we agree. New York City really is Jewish. I have friends working up there... before they moved there... they were typical pro israel southrons.... now all they talk about his how much they hate jews.

Anonymous H-bum January 23, 2015 5:58 PM  

This comment is aimed at those (good) jews who STILL don`t believe Voxs` basic Premise about the actions of (bad) jews affecting both. 1. After the climatic shoot-out with Chicago gangsters near the end of the `80s film RAW DEAL, Arnie walks over to a snivelling dirty cop, hands him a loaded weapon and says,`` A lot of people are dead because of you. Resign...or be persecuted. Either way you want it!`` 2.``In Rome, Italy in 2000, Italian police broke up a ring of eleven top jewish gangsters. It was discovered they had been kidnapping Gentile children between the ages of two and five from orphanages, raping them, and then murdering the children. These despicable crimes were recorded live on film and sold throughout the infamous global snuff film industry. Over 1,700 customers had paid as much as $20,000 per film to view little children being raped and murdered. Both the Associated Press and Reuters agencies reported this heinous crime on Sept. 27, 2000. (Also see the Rome Observer, Oct. 1, 2000). But few US newspapers and NONE of Americas` TV news networks carried this shocking news story. Why?...`` For the Paul Harvyian `rest of the story` see: Texe Marrs, Conspiracy of the Six-Pointed Star,2011, Chapter 59 All Hail the Jewish Master Race, pp 314-315. Now available as an e-book. [I see Italians are a forgiving folk, eh, Vox.] 3. See Voxs` post: Protocols of the Learned Elders of Wye. 4.Concerning the coming tsunami of anti-semitism that Vox fearfully sees on the not to distant horizon in Europe and North America; just read the bumpersticker: `ALIYAH or POGRAM.......Either way you want it!`

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 6:24 PM  

H-Bum,

That was the corrupt Federal prosecutor that got him kicked out of the FBI.

Money quote: "What's your name?"
"Joseph P. Brenner."
"What does the P stand for?"
"Pussy"

Anonymous LES January 23, 2015 6:36 PM  

It may come as a surprise but the word, Jew, is not in the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament or the original Greek language of the New Testament. In the Old Testeament where our English Bibles use the word, Jew, the Hebrew word is Yehudi or “of the tribe of Judah.” In the Greek New Testament the word for Jew is the Greek word for 'Judean' or “of the land of Judea.”

Our English word, Jew, came about in the 12 century derived from the Old French word “giu.” Giu came from the Greek loudaios and Latin ludaeus by dropping the “d”.

So whenever you see the word, Jew, in the Bible the real word means from the tribe of Judah or the land of Judea.

In all of this the Scripture was fulfilled that the Messiah would be from the tribe of Judah and be born in Bethlehem. The Israelites were “chosen” as the people through whom the Messiah would come.

To conclude: Israel was a people, not a place. God never called the land or the country Israel. The government of the modern, secular state called Israel is not holy, not obedient to God’s commandments and not entitled to take God’s land by force with the killing of innocent civilians who have been living in the land for centuries.

OpenID luagha January 23, 2015 6:40 PM  

As an aside: When I do a websearch on "Rome Observer, Oct. 1, 2000" for the little children being raped and killed story, the details are that the raping and killing was done in Russia, by a man named Dmitri Vladimirovich Kuznetsov. Doesn't seem to be a jewish name.

Italian police intercepted the films when they were sent through the mail and that triggered the investigation in Britain and Germany and so forth.

There were some redistributors but all the abuse was done in Russia by picking up orphans and teen runaways.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 23, 2015 7:05 PM  

What's the official name of Israel? I hear it referred to often as Eretz Y'Israel. The Land of Israel.

Anonymous Samuel Scott January 23, 2015 7:36 PM  

What's the official name of Israel? I hear it referred to often as Eretz Y'Israel. The Land of Israel.

"Eretz Israel" literally means the "Land of Israel" as in the geographical designation.

"Medinat Israel" literally means the "State of Israel" as per the nation-state that exists within the Land of Israel. "Medinat Israel" is the official government designation.

Blogger njartist January 23, 2015 7:51 PM  

@Josh January 23, 2015 4:01 PM

Just fyi, if you don't want people to ask you for a citation, don't use "Given the verifiable fact..."
I know. I spotted it as soon as I wrote it; but I left it in as bait.

Anonymous H2 January 23, 2015 8:55 PM  

An analogy: Israel acts as a Minas Tirith for the West to draw Muslim aggression. I think the proper question then is how do we turn the American-Israel relationship from one where we are funneling money and military power to them for their interests, into one where they are acting as a forward defensive fortress for our interests?

Anonymous Hoss January 23, 2015 10:35 PM  

Where do you move the atheist?

The middle east. So many of them seem to admire the Muslim community, and they're convinced that it's a "religion of peace" after all. What could go wrong?


I could see all the Jews driving around with one of those "Coexist" bumper-stickers on the back of their rides.

Anonymous FRUMER-BOY January 23, 2015 11:33 PM  

sameul j scott: been 2 ur site; something aboot a `failedmessiah` Its aboot a bunch of boy-luving RABBIS!

Anonymous gentile trafficking January 23, 2015 11:39 PM  

we have enough social parasitism on the east coast without bringing another 6 million slavo turks to the usa:

'stunning' video on gentile child trafficking involving israeli pm, billionaire, israeli lobby:

https://twitter.com/beholdcosmicwav/status/558790089879588864

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 23, 2015 11:45 PM  

"Actually, I think it would be a cataclysmic mistake for the West to pull the Jews out of Israel, even assuming that a nuclear power would be entirely amenable to the geographic relocation."

Of course.

Blogger Kirk Parker January 24, 2015 1:47 AM  

"A Dutch former cabinet minister reportedly said that world peace would be achievable if Israel’s population was forced to move to the United State"

A little bit late for the Tamil Tigers, but otherwise--hey it's a plan!!!

Anonymous takin' a look January 24, 2015 1:58 AM  

-Gentile Trafficking

Here is the YouTube video.

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