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Friday, January 02, 2015

Of rabbit fear and hate

Interesting though it is, I'm not entirely convinced by this particular aspect of AC's theory myself:
In one post though, [John C. Wright] pointed out that he felt the work here was incomplete, because it didn’t deal with the spiritual. He is correct, of course. If you meet pure evil, face to face, you will realize that there is clearly something much deeper than a mere mechanism, which happens to produce evil as a byproduct of some other purpose. As one examines evil up close, the only answer which really makes sense is that the evil are soldiers, with a mission, serving some authority. They will sacrifice their own interests, destroy their own lives, and fall on their own swords, in a genuinely selfless pursuit of their evil purposes. They will even do evil when it doesn’t matter, and when there is no sense to it. Their evil mechanism is so self-sacrificial that it seems the type of thing which nature would eliminate over time. He is right about the spiritual lacking here, and I encourage others to not mistake its absence here for some endorsement of a non-spiritual world model.

One part of his response I take issue with however, is his assertion that the rabbits hate him because he exposes them to truth. A proper explanation of this touches on the spiritual, in part because a full understanding of the rabbit’s hate offers a window into the same hatred Satan holds for the good.

In short, the rabbits do not so much hate John, as they hold him in contempt. Hate is more of a visceral rejection of some moral or emotional aspect of something. Hate can be applied to anything – you can hate a beggar or hate a King. Contempt carries with it a subtle air of rejecting something due to inferiority or weakness. Hate is a raw emotion that you express without regard to your enemy’s status. Contempt is reserved, solely for the weak, whom you can afford to hold in contempt, and it is most often expressed by cowards who only attack their lessers, and who hold little in regard beyond their own immediate safety.

Rabbits have contempt for John because he is kind, rational, and compassionate, and they see that all as weakness. The rabbits dislike John because he is a man who challenges the falsehoods they need to quiet their amygdala. However it is only because his goodness renders him harmless, that this dislike manifests as contempt. The real source of the rabbit’s hatred of John is his tolerance of them – the very quality they claim so ardently to espouse and champion, but which they only use to infiltrate and corrupt any organization too tolerant to reject them.
The reason I'm not sure about this is that I find it very difficult to believe that I am not actually hated by the Pinkshirts. First, because I get a definite anger, fear, and hatred vibe from most of them, second, because I find it very difficult to believe that they sense any inferiority or weakness on my part.

I could be wrong, but I certainly don't feel either of those things, particularly not with regards to the flabby, overweight, evolutionary dead-ends who have never seen the inside of a weight room nor tested themselves in any form of combat, and flee from the mere suggestion of seeing their intellectual skills tested by debate with me or other formidable figures of the not-rabbit Right.

Then again, the fact that I am patient and a counterpuncher by both training and inclination has caused people to misread me before, both online and in real life. My impression has tended to be that the rabbits hate me less because I disagree with them than because I remind them of the jocks they used to fear, envy, and hate back in junior high and high school. We are dealing with fairly serious cases of arrested development here, and back in the day, more than one girl told my friends and me that we reminded her of the bad guys in every 80's movie ever, right down to the Porsches, Triumphs, and Jaguars. And in real life the athletes and arrogant rich boys with cars always get the girl, which tends to foster a certain lasting resentment among the would-be white-knighting gamma males of the world.

But regardless, there is one thing concerning which AC is indubitably right, and that is that their father is the Devil. They don't merely hate the truth, they love lies, seemingly for their own sake. Every SJW I've met not only lies, but lies effortlessly, and without any shame whatsoever after being caught in a lie. And perhaps that is where the aspect of contempt that AC mentions comes in; like Nietzsche and the Nazis, the rabbits do not understand honor and they find those who are not willing to embrace every possible tactic and weapon to be weak and possessed of insufficient will-to-power compared to the progressive Ubermensch they consider themselves to be.

Of course, it's a little difficult to put his hypothesis to the scientific test. I mean, what are we supposed to do, have Tom Kratman crucify John Scalzi on his lawn, then poll the rabbits to see if his popularity has risen among the science fiction left?

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Anonymous Anonymous January 02, 2015 4:22 AM  

We live in a fallen world. The "worldings" (pink rabbits and otherwise) will hate the followers of Jesus Christ until the Second Coming.

On one hand we must love our enemies. On the other we must be as innocent as doves and wise as serpents.

A Happy and Holy New Year to all

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous George January 02, 2015 4:23 AM  

I have to go with AC on this one. I remember from my time as a rabbit, I didn't hate those to the right, I just felt contempt, effortlessly displayed with arched brow, rolled eye and sneered lip. Safety in numbers.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 4:37 AM  

I just felt contempt, effortlessly displayed with arched brow, rolled eye and sneered lip. Safety in numbers.

Interesting. On what basis? Certainty in the eventual triumph of Progress? A false perception of the numbers being on your side? And what caused you to develop out of it?

Anonymous George January 02, 2015 4:47 AM  

You've pretty much nailed it VD. There is also the perception only stupid people hold right wing views, because they are stupid to hold. Nothing circular here.

I'd say I grew out of it because I had no purpose and was determined to find it through intellectual odyssey. That eventually led me to Christianity, but there were lots of stops along the way. And I was only sixteen.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother January 02, 2015 4:49 AM  

I spent today hooking and jabbing with these people, and it seems they want to be right and superior. On the right side of history, modern, all that good stuff...and these were young people in the liberty movement. Socially progressive/SJW all the way.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 4:50 AM  

Anti-white Supremacists... There is a hate for real genuine white Supremacy and a contempt for the "white supremacy" that is socially-constructed.

And just as the Japanese scientist was deemed "white supremacist," i.e., "racist" in passive liberal speak, for his racial findings, Vox Day is deemed "white supremacist" irregardless of his actual racial lineage.

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 5:01 AM  

"Interesting. On what basis?" I went to an all boys private elite pay through the nose school for part of high-school. The entire game was to be more contemptuous of everyone else than everyone else was of you. The basis for it was A: intelligence as backed up by grades and standardized tests, B: pretending not to care about anything at all. C: Never getting called out for something socially, non kosher. These essentially varied in importance due to one's relative strengths. So, as per hypothesis, Scalzi's most important metric would be C and, he probably no true scotsmaning you on A and he's written repeatedly on B.

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 5:14 AM  

I mean we could confirm the hypothesis by cross checking everything Scalzi's written about you with A, B and C
"As has been detailed recently, there’s a Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit out there on the InterWeebs who likes to use my name to whip up his gibbering followers, who then often come over here to troll the comments. Whether I ignore him or not doesn’t matter, so fine. I might as well get something productive out of it." ::C and B check
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8517/8455157316_57893eefc1_z.jpg :: C and B check
"Essentially, Beale escapes punishment here because he’s failed to be important enough to be harmful." :: B check
Haven't been able to find examples of A yet but will post when I do.

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 5:17 AM  

"That said, I have no doubt Beale’s delighted that I offered this piece up at all; I’m sure he thinks it’s a victory of some sort. If he does, well, remember: He’s kind of a terrible person.":: I think this is no true Scotsman A but its kind of hard to tell

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 5:22 AM  

Although use of the word dude-bros would be an excellent example of that
"That’s the sort of “he made me do it” logic you give up when you’re twelve." And I think this qualifies as well
"Usual Mallet warning applies. Don’t make me haul it out, please. It’s Easter." :: One more of C

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 5:26 AM  

Sorry for my fifth comment in a row but on second reading I realized my use of hypothesis was ambiguous I was talking about my private hypothesis.

Anonymous Strange Aeons January 02, 2015 5:42 AM  

I think you're just trying to topple Nate from the #1 commenter position, Porphyry (nudge nudge wink wink)
On a more serious note though, in regards to your A, B and C explanation, to what extent do you think psychological projection plays into rabbit-reasoning? I'm of the opinion it's more prominent than I previously presumed, but I'm open to disagreement.

Anonymous Edd Jobs January 02, 2015 5:47 AM  

"Always remember: Others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win, unless you hate them. And then, you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon's final speech before departing the White House (August 9, 1974)

Blogger ScuzzaMan January 02, 2015 6:01 AM  

I'd agree with the contempt and the hate, both.

Which one dominates is a matter of circumstance, as are most things for the rabbit. It isn't merely that the rabbit hates and feels contempt for those more powerful who refuse to exercise that power in indiscriminate self-seeking; it is that the source of that emotion is a level or two deeper.

The rabbit wishes he had the power to impose his will on others. Parenthetically, this is the primary failing of modern democracy, that it empowers the rabbits. And the rabbit knows that if he had the power others have, as an individual, he'd use it in just this fashion. Properly understood his hatred is self-hatred, and since none of us willingly endure such, and he refuses to change himself, he must displace that hatred onto the one who provokes his recognition of it.

Younger rabbits can be forgiven for being unaware of their own psychology, but adults of all kinds must be held responsible for their willful ignorance.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 02, 2015 6:18 AM  

Vox,
1. I thoroughly agree with your analysis. I think AC is correct in essence though. Whether contempt or hate is the more prevalent is to me a little irrelevant. I would say the contempt is for those they perceive as less smart and progressive than they are, while the hate is for those they are actually afraid of. They are also loud over the internet against those they hate, but very quiet face to face when there might be any possibility of actually waking the dog that bites.

2. In both cases though the contempt/hatred is due to the fact that in either case, the "outrage" is due to the non-rabbit, by his or her very nature, exposing the rabbit to the unvarnished light of truth. And it bbuuuuurrrnnsss them....

3. Indeed, Satana. Over the last two days i wrote nearly 20k words (and edited them) to summarise my spiritual evolution (sorry you got a couple of k of that!) and one of the 3 main conclusions is that indeed, this planet being his realm is an observable fact. Knowing that is very, very helpful in protecting oneself actually. I am working on a way to produce or present, or somehow share something with the ilk that has been useful for me in that regard and may help others. I needed to get that 20k out of me to clarify things for myself. So hopefully the distilled version can be a much better sinthesis. I need to post it somewhere when I am done, but probably not the main blog.

Anonymous George January 02, 2015 6:21 AM  

"Hate is a raw emotion that you express without regard to your enemy’s status."

I think this is it. Hate is something far beyond a rabbit's ken. To hate someone requires an animus motivated by a very strongly held belief(s). Rabbits have no very strongly held belief(s). They stand for nothing.

Hating someone also requires courage and character, because you need to be able to respond to anything coming back your way.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 02, 2015 6:24 AM  

@George,
Thank you for your comment and insight. It is genuinely appreciated.

@Thordaddy,
First, shut up T-D.
Second, there is no such word as "irregardless". Seriously, shut up. You give all skinheads a bad name every time you open your mouth.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 02, 2015 6:32 AM  

@porphyry,
Excellent hypothesis.
I submit you will not find much of A in McRapey writings because an A too loudly expressed would contravene the all important C.
Never have the warren turn on you for saying you are smart. Let them assume it. Which means it will be delicious to watch when they turn on him. Which, I think, he is beginning to sense could (will) happen.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 02, 2015 6:38 AM  

@scuzzaMan,
I think you truly nailed it with this one. It also explains their utter inability to face their flaws even when they are observable from outer space.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 6:47 AM  

Haven't been able to find examples of A yet but will post when I do.

He doesn't use it with regards to me because he knows I'm smarter and better educated than he is. I also speak three more languages than he does; four if I spent a month or two brushing up on my Japanese. But he brags about his BA from the University of Chicago and crushing standardized tests in other contexts.

Anonymous Sensei January 02, 2015 6:47 AM  

They stand for nothing.

While I believe you mean there is no thing for which they stand, I think they really do stand for Nothing. They are water carriers and Useful Idiots for Nihilism and the powers in this world who worship it, driven by powers who are not of this world for their own purposes. As Vox, AC, and Jesus observed, they are of their father the devil, though that doesn't let us off loving them as our enemies.

Hating someone also requires courage and character, because you need to be able to respond to anything coming back your way.

I believe you are defining something more specific than hate here. Evil hates good, but courage and character are goods, also hated by evil. Hate is wishing someone solely ill and doing your best to bring it about, it does not depend on any good to exist, though warped good may make it more effective, as Lewis observed in Screwtape.

I would agree with you that true hatred is perhaps outside their grasp, however, because they are merely trying to conform to a standard. Fashionable hatred is not true hatred but a lesser sin, though sin nonetheless.

Anonymous Randall January 02, 2015 6:56 AM  

I suspect that due to their perceived status at the bottom of the social hierarchy and their own inability climb the ladder, the rabbits create their own social hierarchy based on the premises of their being on top and those they envy being on the bottom. They then build their own "reality" around these premises and interpret the world by rationalizing everything else to fit their story. The cooperation of the rabbits is a massively multiplayer work of fiction that they then mistake as reality. Anyone who dares disturb this story is a threat to their "reality" and becomes the enemy who must be destroyed.

Anonymous Porphyry January 02, 2015 6:57 AM  

@strange Aeons haha--- To me at least and to my peers as a high-school student it was accepted as a given that everyone who was ever going to succeed at anything was possessed of these three qualities. So Id say that psychological projection plays a great deal of a part here. But I might even call it ideological projection, b/c one could get away with being exceedingly cruel if you just were doing it to further those three goals of the hive productivity.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 02, 2015 6:58 AM  

They seem like yet another cult this one like most others created to serve the D party and its crooks. Sweep up the outcasts give them a devil on one hand, a utopia on the other and the operational nexus of being allowed to hate between the two hands.

And there is not a whiff of anything intellectual in the whole deal, its all done on the vapors of rhetoric.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 02, 2015 7:04 AM  

You could probably just ask the rabbits why they rabbit, my guess is that about 3 or 4 questions into the interrogation they would drop the nonsense of the futile quest for utopia dreck and start to spill their emotive guts, just my guess though.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 7:04 AM  

The cooperation of the rabbits is a massively multiplayer work of fiction that they then mistake as reality. Anyone who dares disturb this story is a threat to their "reality" and becomes the enemy who must be destroyed.

You just described the Gamma Delusion Bubble. As one ex-gamma says, the heart of gammahood is a relentless determination to lie to yourself.

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2015 7:08 AM  

Rabbits' contempt is just a salve for their fear-activated amydalae. Their hatred is real and visceral. They understand at an instinctive level that they are in a war for survival. They've come out of their warrens to spread their master's message and are fearful of resistance because they were sure there would be none. The hatred comes first, followed by fear which they try to assuage by expressing contempt and attempting to claim superiority. They know that they are inferior, especially individually, so they make false claims of superiority and numerosity in the belief that repeating their lies will make them true.

Anonymous foo german January 02, 2015 8:28 AM  

As always the projection is strong here.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 02, 2015 8:40 AM  

VD,

You're an outlier, so the theory might not apply to you in the same way.

You're not far off with your "jock" observation, but when Scalzi calls you "dudebro," he believes he's showing how simplistic you are because you've stereotyped yourself, despite other aspects of your personality. They believe the technique works, because most people will react emotionally to it, creating needed polarization. Similarly, they would call Nate a Redneck to associate him with the "wrong" group and get a reaction. Good people know to watch out, this guy is backward in his beliefs and not to be trusted! Polarization is an effective technique for rallying an army.

Regarding motivation: wasn't there ever a point you didn't know life was a battlefield? I imagine you were very very young. The world felt safe, and people could be trusted. You belonged, and in belonging, you need not worry about being prey or worry about tactics to keep from being eaten alive. That's a lot of work. Men discover the idea that life is war at different points in their lives, and increasing, never. Imagine being 25 and finally learning that you have to fight for yourself. It's easier for some to claim they can create the secure world they once knew through progressiveness and groupthink.

Lastly, I've thought a lot about the difference between bitterness and contempt as emotions. They are similar, but one is manifest through insecurity, an anger at unfair treatment by a superior. There is fear. The second may been interpreted as having anger but need not necessarily have it. But for a rabbit, disgust and lack of respect might be perceived as anger. There is no fear or insecurity in this emotion. To get to the relevant point: Scalzi is bitter, and you are contemptuous. But this is not always obvious to everyone; if contempt need not be angry, perhaps bitterness isn't either.

Blogger Remo January 02, 2015 8:42 AM  

Well I'm no philosopher but if evil hates you I'd say you are doing something right :)

Anonymous Samson J. January 02, 2015 9:21 AM  

If you meet pure evil, face to face, you will realize that there is clearly something much deeper than a mere mechanism, which happens to produce evil as a byproduct of some other purpose. As one examines evil up close, the only answer which really makes sense is that the evil are soldiers, with a mission, serving some authority.

I agree with this completely - it describes a guy I went to medical school with. I will never be able to forget him. He was a militant homosexual, as well as fanatically pro-abortion, and although he was popular with a lot of the girls (natch), every time I spoke with him I experienced an almost palpable sense of evil authority wafting from him. He is the only person I've ever met who I actually think might have been demon-possessed.

Blogger JartStar January 02, 2015 9:24 AM  

They hate the sender of the message so much they'll shoot the messenger in anger, so it just looks like they hate the messenger who they just hold in contempt. See The Parable of the Wicked Tenants.

Blogger J Curtis January 02, 2015 9:27 AM  

I think you're right, Vox. It's straight up, abject HATE from them, not contempt. Just read what they post on their own threads.

Blogger Anonymous Conservative January 02, 2015 9:28 AM  

Randall's description of the Gamma Delusion Bubble is what I was trying to describe. Vox is anything but weak, but the rabbits who stand up to him are only capable of doing so, because they delude themselves with a fantasy that he is weak, and unable to counter-attack them. Once in that delusion, each attack on him which doesn't result in tangible damage becomes evidence they see as proving their superiority, which rewards them with the ability to feel contempt. Their attacks may be meaningless to Vox, but in the rabbit's head, they tell themselves that they struck a savage blow, and when they are ignored, they tell themselves that because of their awesomeness, Vox was afraid to strike back. I assume the contempt is a nerd's version of a power trip, to them akin to becoming King, and having all the power.

If things suddenly got bad, the Dread Ilk began dropping bodies, and all it took to be targeted was being mentioned here, the rabbits would first hide, But I think that would be exceedingly unpleasant psychologically, and with time, they would come to "see the wisdom" in Vox's writings, and then try to carve out a new Warren within the Ilk, as they contempt-ed everyone else who was afraid to strike back.

They would never be Ilk, but they would be like the bureaucrats who hailed Hitler, and signed the orders sending women and children to the gas chambers in WWII. There they would actually hurt people, and then revel in the feeling of power if the hurt people didn't hurt them back. I'll bet they would enjoy that even more.

The point being, they have no reality, morals, or beliefs, except what feels good, and assuages amygdala. Even all they claim to revile, could just as easily be embraced (and has been in history), if embracing it will eliminate threat, and foster a sense of their own superiority and omnipotence. They are addicted to the feeling of power contempt fosters, above all else, even if all they can do is play act a fantasy in order to feel it.

Blogger IM2L844 January 02, 2015 9:40 AM  

I think resentment is the key word. Stemming from a self centered, materialistic worldview, resentment is all emotion and no chili.

Anonymous Ira Nea January 02, 2015 9:42 AM  

As always the projection is strong here.

You are IronyMan

Anonymous Steve Johnson January 02, 2015 10:11 AM  

I've yet to meet an SJW who not only lies, but lies effortlessly, and without any shame whatsoever after being caught out.

You're either missing a few "not"s there.

You've met plenty of SJWs who lie effortlessly and have no shame about being caught out.

Anonymous Peter January 02, 2015 10:12 AM  

"...I mean, what are we supposed to do, have Tom Kratman crucify John Scalzi on his lawn, then poll the rabbits to see if his popularity has risen among the science fiction left?"

You say this almost as though it would be a bad thing, Vox.

Some things are worth doing for their own sake, although I'm far too cruel to wish Scalzi dead. After all, death is some terror and pain, followed by nothingness. I prefer McRapey alive and servile and very much aware of what he lost.

Anonymous Former Rabbit January 02, 2015 10:12 AM  

That which led to my conversion was first sheer, blind terror. I realized that my compatriots eat their own and that, as a white, male, heterosexual, nominal and reluctant Christian, I would find myself on the menu the instant they ran out of obvious targets.

I realized I needed to run with the wolves to survive.

The second part is grace. I've not time to go into that, but in short, the other side received me.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 10:20 AM  

Regarding motivation: wasn't there ever a point you didn't know life was a battlefield? I imagine you were very very young.

Well, with Marines in the family..... I can remember getting punched in a fight and my glasses getting broken in first grade by the much larger kid who lived down the street and was a family friend. In retrospect, he was a big, rather goofy guy who had only been picking on me at school to avoid being picked on himself. I think that always bothered him later, even though I never held it against him.

But I always fought, even when I knew I'd get my ass kicked. In eighth grade, the toughest kid in the school spared me a beating just because I shoved him and went outside to fight him after he shoved me into a locker. I remember him laughing and saying "you're actually willing to do this", messing up my hair, and walking back into the school. After that, and after I broke one kid's rib and another kid's nose, the bigger guys pretty much left me alone.

I suspect the male rabbits are largely made up of guys who never fought back and secretly despised themselves for not doing so. That would explain their weird ability to rationalize everything.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 10:23 AM  

You're either missing a few "not"s there.

Good point. That was getting a little convoluted. Corrected, thanks.

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2015 10:24 AM  

with time, they would come to "see the wisdom" in Vox's writings, and then try to carve out a new Warren within the Ilk, as they contempt-ed everyone else who was afraid to strike back.

How much of that is simply rabbit camouflage, simply pretending to be "not rabbit" in order to get the pack to protect them while they establish their new warren?

Even all they claim to revile, could just as easily be embraced (and has been in history), if embracing it will eliminate threat, and foster a sense of their own superiority and omnipotence. They are addicted to the feeling of power contempt fosters, above all else, even if all they can do is play act a fantasy in order to feel it.

They do not embrace truth, honor, morality, etc.; they pretend to embrace it to avoid being a target (which removes the immediate threat). Even in the act of pretending they work to undermine such principles and establish a new warren. Oh, they won't make their intentions obvious from the start, but they will suggest small compromises with evil, working their way towards establishing compromise as a "virtue", and, eventually, openly embracing evil only when they feel strong enough to get away with it (e.g. abortion, euthanasia, socialism/communism/fascism, relativism, humanism, nihilism, etc.) and even then by degrees lest they spook their targets.

Now, you are absolutely correct that they are drawn to displays of power like flies to a midden heap. But it is because they wish to subvert it and acquire it for themselves while being protected by it in the short term.

Anonymous Blume January 02, 2015 10:34 AM  

Yes lets do the Kratman crucifixion of Scalzi test, it sounds wonderful.

Also, I don't know if this proves I have less gamma proclivities then I thought or what but I never had a problem with the jocks and rich good looking guy getting the best girl. Instead, it was the posers and losers and bad boys that always pissed me off. Objectively, I could look at the jocks and go ya that fucker is built and it makes sense that the girls swoon over him. Same with the pretty boys or rich guys. They had something clearly better than what I had to offer. But the guys that were fronting or just the absolute loser version of bad boys never made sense. Probably helps that I was a lineman. We are sort of the Betas to the backs' Alphas, exceptions must be made for nose guards and 1st string defensive ends.

Blogger Anonymous Conservative January 02, 2015 10:41 AM  

My belief, from seeing it in a narcissist (the most extreme version), is that they are molded subconsciously into a true believer, though it is not facts supporting their belief, but rather aversion to the discomfort of the circumstances which arise when not believing.

Here is an example I experienced. When my Narcissist, Bob was around, he irritated me subtly - below the threshold where I recognized it was him, but enough that around him, things felt irritating. I became a workaholic, and could suddenly turn around and realize I had just spent 13 hours doing the most boring thing, and never noticed time passing. I realize now my mind/amygdala had made the connection between relief from Bob and working, and just made me feel better when working, so that was what I did.

Likewise, the rabbit forced to confront their own patheity will become very uncomfortable. One day that discomfort is acting on them, they look at Vox's ideas and say, "Hmmn... That kind of makes sense." the discomfort retreats, and after a few repetitions, and enjoyment of the relief, they are screaming Vox's words at the sky, and questioning how they could ever be so dumb as to think otherwise. From there it is a short step to the idea non-believers must die, and immersing themselves in that to, like me, escape the discomfort produced by their reality.

Once they are safe, I think they look for people to castigate as inferior, to establish in their own mind, their own purity, and establish a tangible measure of their own awesomeness, through attainment of leadership status.

The people saying there is no place for someone who espouses non-rabbits-isms today, and the Nazi's intolerance of dissent and difference are exactly the same people doing exactly the same thing - seeking mental relief, safety, and ease, by eliminating any amygdala stimulation produced by dissent.

The protection angle works as a reproductive strategy, and is undoubtedly why it is conserved, but the mechanism is just the desire to avoid amygdala strain, and I am convinced is the same as the Stockholm Syndrome.

Blogger IM2L844 January 02, 2015 10:56 AM  

Now, you are absolutely correct that they are drawn to displays of power like flies to a midden heap. But it is because they wish to subvert it and acquire it for themselves while being protected by it in the short term.

For some reason that reminded me of this Eric Metaxas speech at the 2012 National Prayer Breakfast which, ironically, turned out to be a magnificent pre-buttal to Obama's subsequent speech at same. It also reminds me that I want to read his new book.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan January 02, 2015 11:01 AM  

In "Deep Survival" by Laurence Gonzales, the author looks into the untimely demise of people who lose their lives (or nearly do) during outdoor expeditions. Climbing, river running, skiing, etc.

In many cases, they have the tools to survive (matches, raingear, fuel) but they become disoriented and are rendered helpless, often succumbing to hypothermia or injury after taking unnecessary risks.

Perhaps these 'evil' rabbit people are simply 'lost' - confused and disoriented (about their place in society) yet their environment is safe, (home, subway, work) thus they survive - but are just mindlessly wandering around, blathering their confusion into the void.

Running out the clock, so to speak.

In the wild, they would be huddled up under a wet tree, crying and dying of low body temperature, while their backpack sat out in the rain, full of survival gear.

Along comes a Christian adventurer, sees the doomed wabbit with the crushed amygdala, rescues him...and is promptly stabbed in the back on the way to the trailhead.

Hey. You knew he was a wabbit when you rescued him.

Anonymous Merry New Year January 02, 2015 11:10 AM  

Leftists desire Rightists to shut up...
Rightists desire Leftists to keep talking...

Blogger John Wright January 02, 2015 11:34 AM  

"The entire game was to be more contemptuous of everyone else than everyone else was of you. The basis for it was A: intelligence as backed up by grades and standardized tests, B: pretending not to care about anything at all. C: Never getting called out for something socially, non kosher. "

While the Anonymous Conservative may be right, and the things mentioned as A, B and C here by Porphyry may be due to brain development following a min-max Darwinian reproductive strategy, I myself tend to believe older theories merely because they are older, that is, they have withstood the jury verdict of every generation that passed them along.

"C" is what we call "The World" that is, the temptations of mundane things like peer pressure and social approval. "A" is the flesh, which includes the glorification of one's native abilities and inborn traits. "B" is the Devil, that is, pride.

The world, the flesh, and the devil are the three types of strong temptation and strong sin. This theory is just as scientific, just as based on observation, no more and no less, than a theory about Darwinian reproductive strategies and arrested neural development. If anything, it is more scientific, because i have direct observation of sin and pride inside my own experience, but I have never seen, touched, nor handled my amygdala.

Blogger annk January 02, 2015 11:46 AM  

Vox and AC, I owe you a huge debt of gratitude!

Your book and blog (along with Gagdad Bob's book and blog, and John C. Wright's Restless Heart of Darkness series of posts, discovered through this blog) have opened my eyes to capital-T Truth as nothing else outside of Scripture has ever done.

AC, your insights into narcissism alone are life-changing! Thank you!

Blogger MidKnight January 02, 2015 11:49 AM  

Like George, I was a rabbit- or at least in danger of becoming one. Certainly what Sarah Hoyt calls one of the "book smart" kids in middle and high school, socially awkward, especially reading people as I'm interacting. Never hated the jocks - I knew a few good ones, but was still a hard-core geek who didn't understand why, despite doing everything I was told, I couldn't get the girl.

Nevertheless, there was a sneering condescension of people "less smart" who didn't have the markers of education and exposure to what clever people did. They may be strong, but they were just angry bullies/etc.

Fortunately, I had several things going for me.

A Lithuanian expat of a grandad who taught me intellectual integrity. And exposed me to some real history on the birth of the USSR, having lived through some of it.

Pournelle's CoDominium stories being the jumping point for real history.

Being raised in the marines and with time in the woods showing me counterexamples to keep the marxist world view from ever quite taking.

12 years as a Navy Nuke - which knocked some humilty into me, and taught some of the same unforgiving lessons detailed in ESR's "Ethics from the Barrel of a Gun".

Seeing over and over, by really reading history and science, how central control of systems and processes continuously fails in the end. Biological, computer, political, etc.



So I get the contempt - and it's delusional, because if we couldn't have convinced ourselves we were superior, we'd have had to face the fact that we weren't as smart and savvy and competent as we thought in ways that really counted. And been afraid.

And yes, there is hate. I didn't have that. But it is there. I've seen it.

There is truth to what @Randall says as well.

Anonymous Stilicho January 02, 2015 11:51 AM  

but I have never seen, touched, nor handled my amygdala.

Everyone says that, but...

On a more serious note, I still view AC's theory and yours as rather complementary. Where yours explains the "why" of certain behaviors, his explains the "how"...the mechanics as it were.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 12:01 PM  

Fighting is a good way to get to the truth. Avoiding an unnecessary fight is a good way to exercise wisdom. Running from a fight (whether necessary or not) is a really good way to develop the skills of a liar.

Anonymous Daniel January 02, 2015 12:21 PM  

And Kratman would never crucify Scalzi on his own lawn. Bad engineering. You never waste that much good lumber on sinking sand.

Anonymous Severian January 02, 2015 12:36 PM  

AC: "the discomfort retreats, and after a few repetitions, and enjoyment of the relief, they are screaming Vox's words at the sky, and questioning how they could ever be so dumb as to think otherwise."

That explains the zeal of the converted, which is something that has always bothered me (and about myself -- as soon as I'm convinced of something, my natural inclination is to shout it from the rooftops at anyone who will listen).

Anonymous NorthernHamlet January 02, 2015 12:43 PM  

VD,

I suspect the male rabbits are largely made up of guys who never fought back and secretly despised themselves for not doing so. That would explain their weird ability to rationalize everything.

But with all due respect, you may be projecting. You would despise yourself. However, you've tasted battle and with it honor and respect.

If I may use an example: my father directly told me not to fight back against bullies, ever. He would even say it with a sense of moral superiority. He had won the true battle. And if anything happened the teachers or parents can swoop in to reconfirm that bullies are an outlier- you will always be protected. So, when I was youngster, I assumed being intelligent meant I was really winning at what mattered and physical strength was irrelevant in the modern world. This is also why gammas have a habit of mistaking themselves for sigmas.

Now, I've found men like you and Nate are few and far between. In a world of gammas, Scalzi need not despise himself; he's winning at the game he's been asked to play.

Think of it this way: does the man with porn and video games stop to despise himself for not having the crazy women in his building?

Blogger Jack Hanson January 02, 2015 12:47 PM  

Would pay money to see Kratman crucify Scalzi, followed by voting on how much SF has improved.

I think arrested development hits it on the head. People still living in high school paradigms, talking about shit that happened in 10th grade and never being able to move past it.

Now you'd think that overcoming challeneges and fuctioning in the world successfully would knock the scales from their eyes, but I've met more than a few who have overcome significant hurdles only to regress (for lack of a better term) into SJW fantasy land thinking.

Small people always stay small, I'd say.

Blogger wrf3 January 02, 2015 12:53 PM  

JCW wrote: "because I have direct observation of sin and pride inside my own experience, but I have never seen, touch, nor handled my amygdala."

You have the experience of sin and pride in exactly the same way that you have experience of your amygdala.

Abstractions run on physical hardware.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 12:54 PM  

If I may use an example: my father directly told me not to fight back against bullies, ever. He would even say it with a sense of moral superiority. He had won the true battle. And if anything happened the teachers or parents can swoop in to reconfirm that bullies are an outlier- you will always be protected. So, when I was youngster, I assumed being intelligent meant I was really winning at what mattered and physical strength was irrelevant in the modern world.

Hmmm, that does sound rather more like them.

Anonymous Nah January 02, 2015 1:03 PM  

After all, death is some terror and pain, followed by nothingness. I prefer McRapey alive and servile and very much aware of what he lost.

That's the same kind of egotism Caesar showed when he spared his enemies. Eventually the rabbits developed enough courage to stab him in the back. He would have done better to have them all executed en masse, as Sulla did.

Anonymous dw January 02, 2015 1:09 PM  

Would the Pharisees of Jesus' time be considered rabbits, then? They readily submit to the Romans (the most brutal authority of the day), they are weak and cowardly (they get violent people to do their dirty work on their behalf), they are extremely concerned with appearances (they pray and give money so others will see them and think them righteous), when fasting they appear as miserable as possible (similar to how today's rabbits eagerly self-deprecate to show how not-badthink they are), they don't have any true authority and the people openly call the on this, and they eagerly lie to advance their agenda (they bribed the Roman soldiers to lie about the Resurrection of Jesus).

Some things never change.

Blogger Gordon January 02, 2015 1:20 PM  

Jack Hanson wrote: "People still living in high school paradigms, talking about shit that happened in 10th grade and never being able to move past it."

Exactly! All lefty actions come down to an attempt to make high school come out differently.

This idea is not original with me.

Blogger annk January 02, 2015 1:33 PM  

Or, Gordon, all (some) lefty actions come down to an attempt to make life after high school exactly the same as it was in high school . . .

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 1:34 PM  

Would the Pharisees of Jesus' time be considered rabbits, then?

Without question. Of whom did he speak when he referred to "your Father, the Devil"?

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 2:00 PM  

It's an interesting phenomenon to witness one side try to turn the other side into "rabbits" simply as an attempt to obscure the fact that the "rabbits" having been trying to turn "you" into a "white supremacist" and "you," under the influence of some childish reverse psychology, have actually rejected genuine white Supremacy and thus declared, "I will NOT BE a white man who attest to the reality of objective Supremacy."

So "you" are a RABBIT.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 2:07 PM  

So "you" are a RABBIT.

No, Thordaddy. You quite clearly don't understand the first thing about how all of this works. Furthermore, I am what I am. It is straightforward genetic science.

You seem to forget that I do not exist in a vacuum. Even if I can pass as pure European white, I would have to forswear my family members who cannot. Anyone who has seen even a single picture of my family, let alone my extended family, knows that you're talking nonsense... in an attempt to DISQUALIFY.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 2:33 PM  

Firstly Vox... I already pegged YOU a Supremacist... That's why I used quotes around "you." Even YOUR ENEMIES agree that you are a Supremacist. This does not bother ME one bit that they erroneously peg you a "white" Supremacist versus a red one. For the matter at hand, it is irrelevant.

So NO... You are not the rabbit... The rabbits are the ones who HATE YOU for being a Supremacist, red or white. And the rabbits are the ones who have contempt for you because they have been given a free pass to socially constructed "white supremacy" in their most contemptuous manner. Hate and contempt. One is reserved FOR THE REAL THING (you) and the other one is creatively employed to tarnish the whole race collectively.

There is simply NO WAY you will claim to be an anti-Supremacist.

Blogger CarpeOro January 02, 2015 2:35 PM  

"So "you" are a RABBIT."

I believe there was mention of rabbits trying to sneak in to other areas to create a new warren. Example has been provided. Happy New Year.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 02, 2015 2:50 PM  

He doesn't use it with regards to me because he knows I'm smarter and better educated than he is...But he brags about his BA from the University of Chicago and crushing standardized tests in other contexts.

Rabbits are keenly aware of hierarchies. Kiss up and kick down. That's certainly a contributing factor to Scalzi working so hard to out-group Vox, as he knows Vox would be higher on the totem pole. It's also probably why an early sign of entryism is running talented folks out of an organziation.

Anonymous kfg January 02, 2015 3:04 PM  

" . . . Porsches, Triumphs, and Jaguars."

Well, you've started out with my first cars, in order, but although I've driven a number of Jaguars, I've never owned one.

Do I still get to be a bad boy?

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 02, 2015 3:37 PM  

"The cooperation of the rabbits is a massively multiplayer work of fiction that they then mistake as reality. Anyone who dares disturb this story is a threat to their "reality" and becomes the enemy who must be destroyed."

The cognitive dissonance they get when their utopian visions connect with reality are painful for them. When I was in college I did a speech on Allan Turing but I thought instead of just cut/paste the standard fairy tale I would look up the official version to beat like a dead horse. The official version was not only more real, but I knew people like him, the truth was undeniable. I understood however my choice was cut/paste the fairy tale for an A or have 1/2 the class clutching their pearls with a lesser grade.

The K vs. R strategy of AC is about bravery/fear. I have seen guys gay bashed that where afraid to report it or even give a description of the race of attackers(hint its not str8 white x-tians gays have to fear). A gym bunny I knew said he was gay bashed by his neighbor, but when I saw his neighbor the gym bunny should have been able to pick him up with one arm if not for cowardice and conflict avoidance. They can be so afraid of evil they think its good, and they will never oppose a tool of tyranny as they dream of wielding it themselves. Ever since Bloomer's soda ban made the news I have told people I can get married in NYC but if I share a 20oz soda with a consenting adult Bloomer's jack boots will attack, even before liberal logic did a meme about it.

The odd trait of the few gay conservatives out there is that they are willing to defend themselves and their family taught them that. Dan savage might be willing to lick doorknobs of his enemies when he has the flue, but a 100 pound boy could beat him up (as long as he didn't take a roofied drink from Dan) because he wouldn't physically fight back. Many would rather be victims than victors, and it goes beyond bottoms losing on purpose hoping to be taken advantage of. There is something to be said for not trusting anyone who has not been punched in the face. Leftists believe that the right does every dirty trick they engage in, so arguments for voter ID should be include keeping both sides from cheating. Several occasions I have brought up in gay company that the way to get gay marriage in every state is to allow gun concealed carry permits to count in every state and I know I have touched their amygdala.

Jack Hanson wrote: "People still living in high school paradigms, talking about shit that happened in 10th grade and never being able to move past it."
They never want to grow up and be responsible for anything, they might grasp for credit but never responsibility. They also fear getting old, when someone like Allen Turing or Marc Singer offers unlawful substances to underage boys less than 1/2 their age they fool themselves into thinking they are still attractive enough to get them without the expense. They don't think people should shoot guys that break into someone's home window at 3am because they hope it happens to them by someone secretly attracted to them, and they will not admit to themselves that they are too old for closeted guys to sneak into their windows.

Anonymous daddynichol January 02, 2015 3:40 PM  

" . . . Porsches, Triumphs, and Jaguars."

Back in my younger days, I motored around in a Rambler American and a Studebaker Lark. Monster cars. Babes fought each other to get in line to ride, but some other dude would haul up in a 62 DeSoto and crap on my cruisin' with the chicks night. Smug bastard.

Anonymous VD January 02, 2015 3:47 PM  

I already pegged YOU a Supremacist... That's why I used quotes around "you." Even YOUR ENEMIES agree that you are a Supremacist. This does not bother ME one bit that they erroneously peg you a "white" Supremacist versus a red one. For the matter at hand, it is irrelevant.

Hmmm, all right, then. I would say Elitist rather than Supremacist, but I suppose your mileage may vary. But dialectic detail is not the proper response to rhetoric.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 3:51 PM  

Homo-sexuality...

Homo=same=exact same=self...

"Western man" has embraced the homo-sexuality and shall pleasure himself to death.

The "rabbit" is simply a horrible symbol for self-annihilation.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 3:59 PM  

Vox...

It is simply beyond credible for any high IQ white male of the West to not hold a defining conception of "white supremacy" whether it be a truthfully coherent conception or an entirely false social construction.

"Rabbits" see "white supremacy" EVERYWHERE and with their passive-aggressive tendencies both name it euphemistically (racist, white privilege, DWB, etc.) and attack "it" in the imaginary (flash mob, polar-baring naked, outings viral attacks, etc.)...

The state of affairs (if no genuine white Supremacists exist) is the "rabbit" annihilating the "rabbit" (self-annihilation) and justifying and rationalizing such acts as liberation from "white supremacy."

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 4:04 PM  

Again...

The "rabbit" symbol cannot crystallize in the minds of the masses because they simply don't see themselves in that manner... And from a white Supremacist perspective, the "rabbit" is too intuitively a symbol of objective Supremacy rather than a symbol of grotesque self-annihilation.

Anonymous kfg January 02, 2015 4:21 PM  

"Rambler American and a Studebaker Lark . . ."

I remember those. If it's any consolation to you, the chicks ditched the guy in the DeSoto if I rolled up in the Alfa Romeo.

Blogger Thordaddy January 02, 2015 6:22 PM  

Real rabbits are scared, but gracefully so whether still or in movement.

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 02, 2015 8:48 PM  

To be a proper bad boy, your Triumph should be of the two-wheeled variety. Extra points for a TR6 Trophy.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 02, 2015 11:05 PM  

I think political incorrectness is their miasma, in the Greek sense. It's a contagious power with its own life. For the good of the ("rabbit") collective, the wrongdoer must be treated as a scapegoat. Through shunning the miasma-infected one, casting execrations at him, driving him out and sacrificing him, the miasma is purged from the community; otherwise it would seep and sneak out, bringing catastrophe. (Unthinkable catastrophe! Literally so: don't think about it! Don't define it. Just fear!!)

The pure have no certain means of staying pure. (How do you know you won't be found tomorrow to have supported something that wasn't taboo to support then but which is now taboo to have supported?) Nor do they have any certain and reliable means of self-cleansing, since confession is merely a deadly mistake, once one is accused.

So they hate and fear the miasma very much. And they hate and fear the bearers of miasma, and they would like to do the whole scapegoat routine, broken neck and all, if they could.

This is a religion for slaves, since the miasma is defined and often redefined by others, such as professors and high-status mass media.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 02, 2015 11:09 PM  

They don't merely hate the truth, they love lies, seemingly for their own sake. Every SJW I've met not only lies, but lies effortlessly, and without any shame whatsoever after being caught in a lie.

My experience is the same.

Anonymous Porphyry January 03, 2015 1:58 AM  

Some conjecture on the issue. What makes rabbits such a good term? I think its the emphasis on purity of action. "Real rabbits are scared, but gracefully so whether still or in movement." Purity of the kind that allows one to turn on a dime ideologically and to in theory always be graceful. Now that I think about it that seems to be what A Band C are all about intellectual fluidity spiritual fluidity and ordinary fluidity. (All in a social context) Thusly one could escape the absurd friction of society and do as one wished. I suppose you could say I never migrated from that viewpoint. I just came to recognize the moral imperatives of honor and respect, and furthermore self discipline and perseverance, which might just make me an uber-rabbit. The SJW are in my opinion those who use this fluidity to grind away the elements of their fictional society they deem below them in order to benefit themselves. Actually more particularly they are the ones who use their own psychological projection as a way to do so. To say hate to a rabbit would imply that his psychological projection that he uses as a weapon is broken. But contempt allows him to maintain his psychological projection, oif just being a functioning part of society

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 03, 2015 2:49 AM  

VD: "Of whom did he speak when he referred to "your Father, the Devil"?"

Their Father, the Devil?

:P

Blogger Tom Kratman January 03, 2015 3:51 AM  

I wouldn't crucify Scalzi at all, even in the interests of science. That is for very special crimes, of which I am pretty sure he's not guilty.

Anonymous Discard January 03, 2015 4:25 AM  

Jack Aubrey: Triumph cars are not for bad boys, but bad girls.

Anonymous Bah January 03, 2015 5:05 PM  

Being a big, giant liberal pussy isn't a crucifixion offense?

Sheesh, never thought Kratman would be soft on crime...

Anonymous kfg January 03, 2015 8:41 PM  

" . . .your Triumph should be of the two-wheeled variety."

I had a Bonneville briefly, but to be perfectly honest, I prefer rice and chianti burners when it comes to bikes. I wish Ducati still made 350s. I like 350s.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 04, 2015 12:48 AM  

Heh.

Anonymous Discard January 04, 2015 2:04 AM  

kfg: I always liked the torque of the Brit bikes. High RPMs annoy me. It's a tactile esthetic.

Get an old Ducati, if you like 350s. Thanks to CNC machining, parts for nearly everything can be had today.

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