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Saturday, January 31, 2015

Republicans have clever new plan for failure

The establishment's "electable" candidate in 2016 will not be Mitt Romney:
In a talk with his eldest son, Tagg, between runs down the mountain on Monday, Mr. Romney, 67, said he had all but decided against a third bid for the White House. The conversation, according to a person familiar with it, came after days of increasingly gloomy news reached the Romney family.

Donors who supported him last time refused to commit to his campaign. Key operatives were signing up with former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida. The Republican establishment that lifted Mr. Romney to the nomination in 2012 in the face of scrappy opposition had moved on.

The news on Friday that Mr. Romney would opt out of the race revealed as much about the party in 2015 as it did about the former Massachusetts governor’s weaknesses as a candidate. Republican leaders, especially the party’s wealthiest donors, are in an impatient and determined mood. They are eager to turn to a new face they believe can defeat what they anticipate will be a strong, well-funded Democratic opponent, Hillary Rodham Clinton....

The campaign to deny Mr. Romney another chance began almost immediately after he mused to donors at a Friday get-together in New York City on Jan. 9 that he was open to the possibility of another run. By that Sunday afternoon, William Oberndorf, a prominent California investor who supported Mr. Romney in both of his previous presidential campaigns, had emailed a group of 52 powerful Republicans, including former Secretary of State George Shultz, the investor Charles Schwab, Gov. Bruce Rauner of Illinois and the Michigan billionaire Betsy DeVos with a blunt message: we need to support someone else.

Mr. Oberndorf wrote: “We are fortunate in Jeb Bush to have an extremely talented and able candidate who, I believe, has a far better prospect of winning a general election than Mitt. Moreover, Mitt has now run twice and has had his chance to be president. It is now time to cede the field to others.”

Mr. Oberndorf requested that those on the email contact Mr. Romney’s longtime finance chief, Spencer Zwick, to make it clear that they did not want Mr. Romney to run again. And many of them did, Mr. Oberndorf said in an interview on Friday. “Of everybody I contacted, I only heard from one person who thought Mitt should give it another shot,” said Mr. Oberndorf. In the weeks after he expressed renewed interest in running, Mr. Romney contacted some of his most loyal supporters. But often, he found Mr. Bush had gotten there already.
It's amazing, though not entirely surprising, that the bi-factional ruling party wants to set up another choice between Bush and Clinton. It's as if they can't even bother pretending that Americans live in a democracy anymore, never mind a republic. It increasingly reminds me of the arrogance of the EU establishment, which is now openly anti-democratic.

Cicero was right. It's not dictatorship that follows democracy, but aristocracy.

And the cluelessness of the arrogance is downright amusing. On what planet did Romney think anyone actually wanted him to be president? Then again, on what planet does anyone outside the Republican establishment want another Bush, much less one who is an anti-American open borders lunatic.

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Anonymous Barry Soetoro January 31, 2015 4:51 AM  

Vox "No friends to the right" Day has spoken.

Blogger Paul, Dammit! January 31, 2015 4:51 AM  

Given the choice between an unelectable Republican moderate and an unelectable Republican legacy seat-holder, they might as well concede right now.

Bobby Jindal is too dark-skinned for the Democrats to tolerate as an opposition candidate. They'd have to give him the Cosby/Cain treatment.

Anonymous Harold January 31, 2015 6:15 AM  

“Vox "No friends to the right" Day has spoken.”
When did Vox denounce someone to his right?

Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer January 31, 2015 6:45 AM  

People will lap it up nonetheless. Just watch - once Jeb and Hillary actually clinch their nominations, all those people who might have been muttering darkly during the primaries about dynastic politics will turn into red/blue team zealots. Expect a torrent of editorials and impassioned pleas about how THIS TIME IT REALLY MATTERS.

I call this "Freeper syndrome" based on the back-forth moodswings of the posters on Free Republic, who declare in off-years that the GOP is rotten and should be torn down for dozens of reasons, but always obediently stand at attention and clobber any dissent before elections, noting that while they may not have their IDEAL candidates, it's a moral duty to put them in office to "save the country" or some such sad pabulum.

As for Jindal, hasn't his state had the highest murder rate of all 50 in the entire country for every single year he has been in office? And I thought Republicans were supposed to be TOUGH on crime...

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 31, 2015 6:57 AM  

Hillary is doubtless doing some (rather creaky) cartwheels around Maison Clinton. She is enough of a professional to know that, whoever the Democrat is in 2016, that candidate will be in the same position as the Republican candidate was in 2008.

In truth she doesn't have much of a chance unless she is fighting Jeb Bush.

I admit to being an outlier but I am one with a good feel for American politics. Conservatives who held their nose for McCain and Romney and indeed Brother Bush, won't do it for Baby Bush. He's a Bush too far for conservatives to vote for.

And the former Goldwater Girl knows it.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2015 7:04 AM  

Rush actually proposed a Jeb/Hillary ticket no too long ago. He said their positions were identical, so it didn't matter who was on top of the ticket. But knowing what we do of Hillary, she'd demand to be on top, and know what we do of the Republican leadership, Jeb would concede to the demand.

If Jeb is the candidate, he'll get even fewer votes than Romney did, and Hillary will win in a landslide.

Anonymous grey enlightenment January 31, 2015 7:05 AM  

the dark enlightenment is here. democracy is dead (assuming it ever really existed)

Anonymous Randall January 31, 2015 7:09 AM  

I am just waiting for the moment when George H. W. Bush, lying in a hospital bed on a respirator, communicates to former president Clinton in a computer-synthesized voice, "Bill, I am your father."

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2015 7:11 AM  

> Arguing that natural forces "can" do something is idiotic if they have never been observed doing so.

They didn't with Romney.

> Expect a torrent of editorials and impassioned pleas about how THIS TIME IT REALLY MATTERS.

Which didn't work with Romney, and will do even less well with Bush. The base isn't as dependable as it used to be. They've "moved on".

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2015 7:15 AM  

OK, my cut and paste didn't take and pasted and old clipboard cut from a previous thread. Duh.

> People will lap it up nonetheless.

They didn't with Romney.

Blogger James Higham January 31, 2015 7:17 AM  

It's quite uncanny how they can get it wrong. They should walk in after Obumma but won't get there so easily.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 31, 2015 7:29 AM  

Vox, where did Cicero say that democracy devolves into an aristocracy. I have several books authored by Cicero and never run across that. Socrates/Plato said that democracy devolves into Tyranny. Democracy is really ochlocracy, mob rule. This is where demagogues come in.

America never was a republic. Matthew Stewart, in his book Nature's God, The Heretical Origins of the American Republic, writes that the Declaration of Independence "really stands for the emancipation of the political order from God". (pg 7)

Cicero called Sparta a Republic. Sparta is far different from America ever was. America at best was a pseudo-republic based on the supposed Hebrew republicanism.

Here, the Classical definition of a republic is explained.

Classical republicanism was based on the Logos, i.e. the Natural Law. My people created this form of government and America was never one. It rejected the Old Order that was created by the Logos.

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 7:35 AM  

Vox, where did Cicero say that democracy devolves into an aristocracy.

In Republic. The Ciceronian political cycle is Democracy - Aristocracy - Monarchy.

Blogger YIH January 31, 2015 7:43 AM  

In a talk with his eldest son, Tagg,
That's more important than you think:
"He wanted to be president less than anyone I've met in my life. He had no desire... to run," Tagg Romney said. "If he could have found someone else to take his place... he would have been ecstatic to step aside."
That was six weeks after he lost to 0bola. Perhaps Tagg remembers that and told his father that this might (ahem, will) come back to haunt him.

Anonymous Stilicho January 31, 2015 7:46 AM  

Tagg must meet the worst people in the world

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 31, 2015 7:50 AM  

Even Socrates and Plato said that. It is called the anakyklosis. Polybius talked of that. The Socratic/Platonic teaching is that all governments start off as Monarchy, then change into Aristocracy and then into Classical Republics (politieia), and then devolve into Democracy. Democracy turns into Tyranny and then the Tyrant turns his sons into his heirs thus re-creating Monarchy. This is the cycle.

The Roman Republic descended into ochlocracy at the time of Saturinas when the Senate was effectively abolished. Caesar was a member of the popular party and funded by his five year campaign to pillage and plunder the Gauls, used his money to further the populares. Cicero was a member of the optimates. Caesar then crossed the Rubicon, "for the sake of restoring order" and seized power for himself. Then Caesar set up his heir to be Octavius. All democracies descend first into ochlocracy. Cicero was talking of the bottom half of the cycle. I'll do more research but I think you are missing the first half; Cicero would have copied the Greeks straight. He was not an original thinker.

Blogger Bob Wallace January 31, 2015 7:53 AM  

It appears we are going to have a lesbian following a high-yellow half-breed.

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 8:08 AM  

Stop babbling about the bloody Greeks, Wheeler. We've seen what Cicero described and we live in an age of dying democracy. Most people wrongly fear monarchical tyrannies of the Hitler/Caesar fashion. But from Cicero, we know that aristocracy is looming, and we are seeing early signs of it in the proposed Bush III vs Clinton II option, as well as the unelected European elite.

You need to learn when to stop trying to show everyone how much you know about the Greeks. No one gives a fuck. Haven't you ever read Aristotle's bloody Rhetoric? Why don't you actually APPLY the stuff you love to read about so much for once in your life?

Where does Aristotle or Plato or any other Greek say: "the optimal way to dialectically influence others is to repeatedly brag about how much you know and attempt to criticize anyone who threatens your self-asserted mastery of the subject"?

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 31, 2015 8:20 AM  

Our new aristocrats are something unique in world history.

It's normal enough for aristocrats to think well of themselves as individuals. It's pretty much a job requirement.

But these modern "elites" loath themselves as a class. Thats new.

Anonymous jack January 31, 2015 8:24 AM  

I will probably vote for Scott Walker even if it has to be write in. We have little to go on with any candidate but at least he did something of a decent job in Wisconsin. I would vote for Jindal if he ran. It would be a tough choice between Walker and Jindal in my mind.
I do not believe in 'not voting' as many here do. At least voting is a 'something tried' to fight back even if futile. At the very least voting means I can have a legitimacy later when I scream and yell at the idiocy of the political class.

Anonymous Rantor January 31, 2015 8:27 AM  

Obviously a new party, that can't succeed in our straight-jacket two party system, is needed. I say we name it Conservative Base. To be filled by 18th century liberals who stand for what is now called fiscal and social conservatism.

Doubleplusgood. The language lost its meaning a century ago or so... WIlson is obviously to blame.

Anonymous realmatt January 31, 2015 8:32 AM  

You need to learn when to stop trying to show everyone how much you know about the Greeks"

Haha I knew that was coming.

Its a good thing everyone can vote. Or else we'd have a pipularity contest that costs millions to buy into.

Blogger njartist January 31, 2015 8:35 AM  

This xis what happened to Mitt

The sign on process needs to be fixed: I have to type in my comment, copy it, select Google account, hit publish, then paste what I typed in the now empty comment text area and hit publish again.

Blogger njartist January 31, 2015 8:35 AM  

...is...

Anonymous Salt January 31, 2015 8:40 AM  

At the very least voting means I can have a legitimacy later when I scream and yell at the idiocy of the political class.

Jack, do the non-participatory football fans not have any legitimacy in shouting at the idiocy they see on the field?

Blogger Doom January 31, 2015 8:43 AM  

I would pull the trigger for Rand. Otherwise it simply isn't my concern at this point. I got the message, they aren't interested in what voters want, not this one anyway. I still think if voters stayed home in droves, no politician could say they have a mandate. At some point, the system would fail. Habit, I guess. Even the dullest voter has to know it doesn't matter what they do or how they vote at this time.

Blogger Tank January 31, 2015 8:44 AM  

I can see Republican Inc. supporting Jeb, but will people vote for him in the primaries?

Raise your hand if you would even consider voting for him.

Blogger IM2L844 January 31, 2015 8:48 AM  

I will probably vote for Scott Walker even if it has to be write in.

I'm leaning this way as well, jack, but I haven't really studied him yet, so I'm not sure. I'm sure economics is going to be the primary issue this cycle. I think we're in the middle of a crash and people just don't realize it yet. As I predicted back in 2012, I think it will become apparent to everyone by this summer.

On the other hand, I also predicted Nate would contract Ebola and have blood gushing out his eyeballs by Christmas this year, so you can't really put any stock in my predictions.

OpenID cailcorishev January 31, 2015 8:48 AM  

Cicero was right. It's not dictatorship that follows democracy, but aristocracy.

In history class, we recently got to the last part of Thucydides's History of the Peloponnesian War, where the democratic Athenians get together and vote to discard their democracy and put 400 aristocrats in charge. The kids were confused, asking why people would ever do that. I told them, just wait.

Anonymous PA January 31, 2015 9:03 AM  

-- I can see Republican Inc. supporting Jeb, but will people vote for him in the primaries?

The way both parties select their nominee is by placing vote-splitting candidates in the primaries.

-- Raise your hand if you would even consider voting for him.

The ratio of blue pill to red pill conservatives is still high. Or right-liberals to traditionalists, to use Lawrence Auster's terms. That continues to change in our favor as conservative baby boomers pass from the scene, the internet continues to spread the anti-establishment message, the GOP continues to field craven, uncharismatic candidates who fail to deliver when given the opportunity to do so.

-- I do not believe in 'not voting' as many here do.

I believe that not voting is the most effective form of 'voting.' Nothing frightens the establishment more than white voter apathy. Help the establishment delegitimize itself.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 31, 2015 9:03 AM  

Americans continue to buy guns and train with them, which is what they should do. There is no prospect of either party giving them a false but credible assurance that "we've got your back; you don't need to take any more steps to secure your rights with your own hands, should push come to shove."

Anonymous Godfrey January 31, 2015 9:05 AM  

Didn't The Empire just have one of the lowest turn-outs in electoral history? I bet this coming "election" is even worse.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 31, 2015 9:07 AM  

PA: "I believe that not voting is the most effective form of 'voting.' Nothing frightens the establishment more than white voter apathy. Help the establishment delegitimize itself."

I think voting for Golden Dawn style parties is better. Vote in a way that shows clear discontent, not mere apathy.

Blogger dw January 31, 2015 9:07 AM  

Naturally they'd go with Jeb Bush, just to show who's really in charge.

I'll have to write in Rand then. If for some reason Scott walker gets it, I might consider him, but he'll probably change his views come voting day, as per the psychotic elites demands.

Anonymous PA January 31, 2015 9:11 AM  

Voter apathy is a necessary step before voter rebellion. The US does not have any identitarian parties yet.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 31, 2015 9:27 AM  

I'm leaning Walker myself. But even if he gets over the line, I'm hardly expecting miracles.

The political class is far too invested in fighting over who gets to drive the bus, to see that that bus is headed over a cliff. Interestingly most of the passengers have worked out where the bus is headed and they aren't happy about it.

But it's awfully comfortable bus and the risk/reward math of jumping off doeeesn't quite add up...yet.

In the mean time we can at the very least, treat ourselves to the spectacle of watching the media work itself into a proper tizzy over Scott Walker.

VOTE WALKER 2016

Horses and Women

Power and War

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 31, 2015 9:34 AM  

Vox, Science requires the correct use of language and terms. I thought you were a scientist. A scientist does not engage in rhetoric. Jesus Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". Truth. Truth requires RIGHT definition and Right use of terms. That is Christian Ethics.

I don't know about you, but I am a Christian First. and St. Paul says to "Command and Teach". What do we teach as Christians?----Truth. Democracy is the worst form of government. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero condemned democracy.

:: "[And indeed many of the arguments cited to prove that a kingdom is a commonwealth, "the property of a people", could be applied 'with equal justice to an aristocratic government]
Mummius. And with even greaterjustice, for a king is more like a master, because he is a single individual, while nothing could be more advantageous for a State than to be ruled by a select number of good men. Nevertheless I prefer even a kingship to a free popular government, for that third possibility is the worst of all governments". Rep. III, 46

:: "...so liberty itself reduces a people who possess it in too great degree to servitude". ibid, I 67

What I found is that the kyklos is described in a very cursory manner at I 69, "...but whereas these forms are frequently changed into new ones, this does not usually happen in the case of the mixed and evenly balanced constitution, except through great faults in the governing classes."

::"When all the power is in the people's hands, even though they exercise it with justice and moderation, yet the resulting equality itself is inequitable, since it allows no distinctions in rank." ibid I, 43.

What you are talking about Vox, is an oligarchy. The Wealthy forms oligarchy. Aristocracy is "Best men". Both Plato and Cicero both talk about being ruled by the "Best men". The Wealthy are not aristos. The Wealthy form Oligarchies, they can never form aristocracies.

Precision. Even Rhetoric a Christian employs, must use terms righteously. A Christian always seeks to educate his people into Right and Truth. Use the proper terms. That is not only Christian but Scientific.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 31, 2015 9:34 AM  

dw: "Naturally they'd go with Jeb Bush, just to show who's really in charge."

That's consistent with John Boehner's anger and ridicule toward representatives who don't want to vote for amnesty, and the general anger of the bought Republican establishment toward challengers and challenges.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni January 31, 2015 9:36 AM  

"clever new plan for failure"

It's their plan for what they're going to do - and not do - if they win that frightens, saddens and bores me.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados January 31, 2015 9:37 AM  

The party's over for the US political class, and they know it. The Tea Party is beginning to have the same effect in the US that UKIP is having in Britain. They've been riding the current of voter apathy for a while now, but that apathy is turning to rage, and if they aren't careful, it's gonna result in a lot more than just career politicians being removed from office democratically.

Anonymous rienzi January 31, 2015 9:46 AM  

If we're inevitably going down the aristocracy/monarchy road, (Which ought to send Wheeler into spasms of rapturous joy.), then we could do worse than to invite the Hanoverians back. Their boundless idiot behaviors are so much more amusing than the boring Bush clan.

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 31, 2015 9:53 AM  

The mask is slipping rather quickly, whether in the U.S. or Europe. The message is clear: it doesn't matter what the people want, your rulers will do as they please. In Germany you have the German government basically organizing counter protests against the people relating to being flooded by Moslems. In America, what is supposed to be the opposition party is already telling their voters that, regardless of what they want they will run a pro immigration Bush.

Blogger hank.jim January 31, 2015 9:55 AM  

There might be a brokered convention. No guarantee of Bush winning. The odd thing is Clinton seems like the de facto nominee yet there no assurance she will win the Presidency. This will be Clinton's third chance and I'm sure she'll choke.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic January 31, 2015 9:56 AM  

Vox "No friends to the right" Day has spoken.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You're so wrong you're not even wrong. You aren't even in the BALLPARK of the debate.

Opposing Jeb Bush is, "No friends to the left," correlating perfectly with the principle you're bowdlerizing, "No enemies to the right." Again, you don't even know what you don't know.

Conservatism is dead. All it's conserving at this point is 20th century American progressivism.

Blogger IM2L844 January 31, 2015 10:01 AM  

They've been riding the current of voter apathy for a while now, but that apathy is turning to rage, and if they aren't careful, it's gonna result in a lot more than just career politicians being removed from office democratically.

An armed insurgency would be quickly reclassified and loudly declared the most heinous radical terrorist organization in the history of the world if it were a little closer to home.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 31, 2015 10:04 AM  

KFC releases a new flavor: Extra Crispy Wheeler!

Anonymous Godfrey January 31, 2015 10:04 AM  

Titus Didius Tacitus January 31, 2015 9:07 AM
"I think voting for Golden Dawn style parties is better. Vote in a way that shows clear discontent, not mere apathy."


Good approach if you live under a parliamentary form of government. Useless here in The Empire where we live under a "two" party dictatorship.

Anonymous Godfrey January 31, 2015 10:07 AM  

Apathy, laughter and psychological secession are the best weapons at this point. The USSR couldn't survive them. Nor will the USSA.

Anonymous hygate January 31, 2015 10:11 AM  

If its Jeb vs Hillary, I'm voting for Hillary. Their policies are the same, might as well let the Democrat party get the credit/blame.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 31, 2015 10:13 AM  

Great news, WLW!!!

The Palmetto Princess, Miss Lindsey Graham is thinking about running for POTUS. In addition to favoring a really powerful military, Graham is reported to enjoy other um...Spartan pursuits....

Anonymous BillB January 31, 2015 10:16 AM  

What would be great is if we returned to a CONSTITUTIONAL selection of the President. The Framers stated emphatically that the people were too stupid, too easily fooled by demagogues to select the President and that the Congress was too self-interested to be involved. So the electoral process was created. Thus each state can decide how the electors of that state will be chosen. Then those chosen will meet and decide on THEIR choices for President with NO input from the People. AND using this method all senators, representatives, and all persons holding an office of profit or trust under the federal government, i.e. federal employees, all welfare recipients, people receiving grants for ANY purpose, etc, are not allowed to cast any vote.

Or we can go back to the early system where the legislature of each state simply picks the electors and more on.

The current smoke and mirrors system we have was invented by the parties to circumscribe the Constitution and fool the people into believing the people have some say in the Presidency. This corrupted method has then allowed the President to violate the Constitution and steal power with impunity.

Go read George Washington's final speech given on his retirement. Learn his opinion about the parties. In the US, we got the bloods and the crips running the country, We just call them democrats and republicans.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 31, 2015 10:16 AM  

Like gay sex!

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 10:25 AM  

Vox, Science requires the correct use of language and terms. I thought you were a scientist. A scientist does not engage in rhetoric.

You're wrong, Wheeler. I am not a scientist, although I use science where it is appropriate. I most certainly engage in rhetoric. I use both dialectic and rhetoric, depending upon the situation and the audience. Unlike you, I follow Aristotle, who explained in his Rhetoric that there are times and places for dialectic, and times and places for rhetoric.

That's why you are here commenting on my well-trafficked blog whereas no one pays you any attention. You have simply never learned to APPLY any of the philosophical principles you so love to talk about and thereby render yourself useless as a result.

I don't care what the Greeks meant. They are irrelevant. The cycle is democracy-aristocracy-monarchy, and we are observably in the midst of the first transition now.

Anonymous Stickwick January 31, 2015 10:37 AM  

For all the contempt the GOP has for us, they might as well just run George W. Bush again. It's like when Dogbert was selling lottery tickets for the previous drawing -- your odds of winning are only 1 in 10,000,000 less!

Anonymous Godfrey January 31, 2015 10:39 AM  

Interesting Wheeler, but observation of current events seems to suggest democracy-aristocracy-dictatorship/monarchy.

Blogger pyrrhus January 31, 2015 11:19 AM  

"Open borders lunatic"--exactly, because Jeb is a servant of the Rockefellers like all the Bushies....

Blogger Desiderius January 31, 2015 11:21 AM  

Cail,

"In history class, we recently got to the last part of Thucydides's History of the Peloponnesian War, where the democratic Athenians get together and vote to discard their democracy and put 400 aristocrats in charge. The kids were confused, asking why people would ever do that. I told them, just wait."

Exactly.

We are in practice already there. The people's representatives are as powerless as the late Roman Senate in the face of the career Civil Masters in the federal bureaucracy and their media/academic Praetorian Guard.

Blogger Desiderius January 31, 2015 11:21 AM  

Romney is a decent man, be we are not presently a decent people.

Blogger Ron January 31, 2015 11:33 AM  

@BillB

AND using this method all senators, representatives, and all persons holding an office of profit or trust under the federal government, i.e. federal employees, all welfare recipients, people receiving grants for ANY purpose, etc, are not allowed to cast any vote.

Wait, that was originally a part of the electoral process? Can you link me to where it says that?

Because that would be so utterly beautiful. By God, that would solve so many problems in one shot.

Anonymous Hrw500 January 31, 2015 11:34 AM  

Am I the only one to wonder if the RINO, Jeb Bush, Karl Rove might be moles like Democrats in disguise to infiltrate and sabotage the Republican party?

Then, I wonder, what if Hillary has to quit due to health reasons or being eclipsed by another candidate like Elizabeth Warren(sometimes referred as "Fauxcahontas" by commentors on Breitbart and American Thinker)?

Anonymous PA January 31, 2015 11:40 AM  

It would not be a bad thing to make it a habit of writing jeb bush in all-lowercase. At least in relatively informal writing such as blog comments.

Gary Trudeau was arguably unfair (or prescient?) to GHWB by representing him in "Dunesbury" as a bodiless voice, a nullity. But it would be proper to pick up on similar shorthand for the current putative candidate.

Anonymous pseudotsuga January 31, 2015 11:47 AM  

Not voting would only be a rational form of protest if one's non-voting actually mattered. It's a stand on personal principle, but it's little comfort to stand there smugly watching the bus careen off the cliff and saying to yourself, "hah! I sure showed them!" Maybe we can't stop the bus, but maybe all we can do is start the bus turning.

Blogger Desiderius January 31, 2015 11:47 AM  

We are ruled by those who are the best at being venal, so there's that, but that hardly qualifies as aristocracy

The virtuous are instead banished to the wilderness, so as not to too badly show up those lacking.

Blogger frigger611 January 31, 2015 11:48 AM  

Jeb vs. Hillary. I can't think of a better reason to sit home and get hammered come election day.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 31, 2015 11:48 AM  

Wheeler,

If it makes any difference, I take my teaching from Dr. Van Nostrand at the Vandelay Institute.

Blogger Josh January 31, 2015 11:50 AM  

You don't have a degree in Political Science, nor in Classical Studies, so who do you take your teaching from?

Wheeler, credentialism is a leftist fetish.

Do you have degrees in political science or classical studies?

Blogger Josh January 31, 2015 11:53 AM  

If it makes any difference, I take my teaching from Dr. Van Nostrand at the Vandelay Institute.

Martin or Peter?

I always preferred the more eccentric lectures of HE Pennypacker

Blogger Josh January 31, 2015 12:08 PM  

No, I don't but I follow the teachings of people who do.

Well I have a degree in history and classical studies, so you must defer to me in those areas.

Because credentials.

Blogger njartist January 31, 2015 12:15 PM  

Second, he was a traditional Catholic. Vox is a Heretic Christian. Who does one trust?

Good grief.

If Vox began to wear purple and scarlet robes, handed out wafers stamped with the initials of Isis, Horus, and Set, and wore on his robes Babylonian religious symbols, would you then trust him?

Blogger njartist January 31, 2015 12:18 PM  

My degree is in Fine Arts, Lindsay; hereafter, you will defer to me in that area.

Blogger Vox January 31, 2015 12:19 PM  

Wheeler, when I tell you to shut up, you will shut the fuck up. Or you'll be spammed. You have been banished from practically everywhere you have tried to post, not because you are telling dangerous truths, but because you are absolutely fucking obnoxious.

This is my blog. Not yours. You do not EVER tell me what to do in my own house. Are you clear on that or do I need to join the myriads of sites that have banned you?

You are not the truth police. This is not a fucking debate about fucking Greece. It's a post about Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, for crying out loud. You desperately need to learn the difference between subject and tangential matter.

Anonymous Rolf January 31, 2015 12:35 PM  

Yup. The Dems are the Evil Party, the Repubs are the Stupid Party. Though on some days they swap places.

You are right - it's like they can't even pretend any more. The power players behind the scenes want easily controlled people in elected office, so they can get the laws written just they way they want them. *sigh* We even have bread and circuses.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2015 12:36 PM  

> The sign on process needs to be fixed:

Works fine for me. Are you accepting scripts and cookies from the various Google services?

> If its Jeb vs Hillary, I'm voting for Hillary. Their policies are the same, might as well let the Democrat party get the credit/blame.

I can't really argue with that. I'd like to be able to, but try as I may, I can't say Hillary is worse than Jeb.

> Maybe we can't stop the bus, but maybe all we can do is start the bus turning.

And if you'll tell us how voting will do that, we'll be all ears.

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 31, 2015 12:44 PM  

Josh you don't understand wheelers point.

Wheeler, the US started as a hybrid of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy in an attempt to have each cure the flaws of the others.

Also, before you criticize the Church, perhaps you can explore Constantine's corruption which creates the RCC.

As to conservatives dead....hah. Jeb ain't one no matter how much punk libertarians who enabled their sort wish to claim.

I'm trying to decide if Vox is closer to Carl Eagan, popularizer of science, or to the McKinnsey consultancy who belied a good manager can manage anywhere.

Anonymous Red Comet January 31, 2015 12:45 PM  

In America it's all race based and anyone who says different hasn't been paying attention. Decades of racism-centric programming in media, entertainment, and universities have made it this way.

Demographics have already hit a tipping point in America with regards to the presidential election. There are enough non-whites and younger white women now to ensure they will win the White House for the immediate future.

2008 was likely the last time the Republicans as we've known them could have won the election.

Republicans likely know this at least in some form and that's why they're doing schizoid stuff like quietly supporting open borders (to lure Hispanics) while also talking big about policing the border (to lure whites). It's a political Hail Mary.

For what it's worth, the Democrats won't last forever. The mestizos will leave for their own political parties once they have the numbers. The middle class Asians and (dot, not feather) Indians will leave for their own parties when the 'crats run out of white men to bully and start coming after them next.

I eagerly await how liberal think tanks of the future will justify that last one. Will Asians and Indians be made to pay for simply being in a criminally high economic class, or will they find themselves labelled some future variant of the hated "house nigger"?

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 31, 2015 12:49 PM  

My post was ninja ed.

Blogger bob k. mando January 31, 2015 1:04 PM  

Vox
On what planet did Romney think anyone actually wanted him to be president?



on the planet in which all of his billionaire boyfriends told him he should run for multiple election cycles.

you can see how that might distort your view of reality.

Anonymous Noah B. January 31, 2015 1:20 PM  

"I can't really argue with that. I'd like to be able to, but try as I may, I can't say Hillary is worse than Jeb."

I can't understand voting for a candidate you don't approve of. Even if one assumes that a third party cannot possibly win, a vote for a third party still sends a message of your disapproval of the two party system. The more people who vote third party now, the stronger third party candidates have the potential to be in the future.

Anonymous jack January 31, 2015 1:21 PM  

Salt, up the page:
I don't think its germane to the subject to compare non-participating football fans yelling at a game to the serious condition of the country at present and the political/bureaucratic class in particular. In the one place you have loud fans that go home and hopefully get over it; on the other, you have concerned citizens that are shocked at how far down the crapper the USA is right now. Ones a silly game, the other is life itself. And, freedoms lost.
As for non-voters scaring the PTB. Bull: its just what they want. They, many of them at least, love the idea of thinking and concerned citizens sitting out elections. They, then, can use not even clever speech and handouts to get the vote of low info folk that probably have never taken a civics course, or understood it if they did, and, whose vote, counts as much as yours and mine.

I see its going to be a long election season.

Anonymous Noah B. January 31, 2015 1:34 PM  

"Yup. The Dems are the Evil Party, the Repubs are the Stupid Party."

The Republicans are not stupid. They're liars - at least, the vast majority of them. They don't care at all about the things they publicly posture about -- border security, simplifying the tax code, reducing the deficit, etc. Republicans vote exactly what they want to do.

It's all about graft. Romney wanted to run again so that he could rake in campaign contributions, which he could have used and stolen in at least a thousand different ways. If he were to win the presidency, that just means there's even more gravy. But even being in the race means huge money. You might think that a guy that rich wouldn't care about getting even richer, but I would suggest that these people are driven by a greed and lust for power of the sort that you and I can scarcely imagine. Despite his hundreds of millions in wealth, Romney still wants more.

Anonymous Noah B. January 31, 2015 1:43 PM  

It's no accident that Romney changed his position on global warming right before his decision to drop out. This was a solicitation to big money donors like GE, with an implicit promise that he would keep the trough full with green energy slop. They apparently didn't take the bait, so Romney decided the money wasn't good enough and that his time would be better spent elsewhere.

Anonymous Passinthough January 31, 2015 1:53 PM  

Just for fun lets nominate Goofy for President on the Independent ticket.

Blogger njartist January 31, 2015 3:08 PM  

@ James Dixon January 31, 2015 12:36 PM

No, it is just my typing. When I first open the browser and head to Vox, the "comment as:" drop down menu is not set to my Google account; I have to type something in, select Google, hit publish, sign in to Google, be brought back here, paste what I typed back into the window, and finally hit publish for the second time. As long as I am in the same browser session, I need only enter text and hit publish once.

Blogger Rev. Right January 31, 2015 3:24 PM  

It's amazing, though not entirely surprising, that the bi-factional ruling party wants to set up another choice between Bush and Clinton.

They know exactly what they are doing. This is mass psychology at the crudest level. The low information voter knock on Clinton is that she old news. The one way to neutralize that knock would be to put her up against older news. The only thing more ridiculous than another Clinton presidency would be another Bush presidency.

So along comes Jeb to play his role as the latest Designated Loser. One can shake one's head at how incredibly lame American politics has become, yet somehow we are always able to dig down deeper and push the boundaries of lameness even further.

Anonymous farmer Tom January 31, 2015 3:39 PM  

Someone above suggest putting jeb bush's name in the lower case.

That is entirely unnecessary if you simply get the man's name correct.

JEBE SHRUB

Anonymous Barry Soetoro January 31, 2015 7:32 PM  

@The Anti-Gnostic

"Conservatism is dead. All it's conserving at this point is 20th century American progressivism."

Thou hast been trolled yet not all is vanity. That sentence is worthy of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 31, 2015 8:42 PM  

Red Comet: "Republicans likely know this at least in some form and that's why they're doing schizoid stuff like quietly supporting open borders (to lure Hispanics) while also talking big about policing the border (to lure whites). It's a political Hail Mary."

It's not a chaotic mix of policies that result from trying a "Hail Mary" play in a particular political situation. Anti-whites get substance, whites get empty promises, consistently. It's been that way for decades. And it's been that way in white countries scattered around the world, with different histories and cultures, and different political and economic problems.

Blogger James Dixon January 31, 2015 9:00 PM  

> No, it is just my typing. When I first open the browser and head to Vox, the "comment as:" drop down menu is not set to my Google account; I have to type something in, select Google, hit publish, sign in to Google,

OK, it's not remembering your Google login between sessions. Mine does the same, but I' almost never close my browser and I'm almost always logged into Google, so...

Anonymous Viidad January 31, 2015 10:42 PM  

jack: "As for non-voters scaring the PTB. Bull: its just what they want. They, many of them at least, love the idea of thinking and concerned citizens sitting out elections. They, then, can use not even clever speech and handouts to get the vote of low info folk that probably have never taken a civics course, or understood it if they did, and, whose vote, counts as much as yours and mine. "

No one's vote counts. It just doesn't. The entire thing is a sham.

Anonymous Viidad January 31, 2015 10:44 PM  

If 60% of people had voted for Ron Paul, Ron Paul still wouldn't be president unless he'd been approved by TPTB. Everything is an utter joke and a lie.

Blogger James Dixon February 01, 2015 12:19 AM  

The worst thing is, Viidad, that I'm very much afraid you're correct. :(

Anonymous Colorado Confederate February 01, 2015 3:21 AM  

Noah B.
It's all about graft. Romney wanted to run again so that he could rake in campaign contributions, which he could have used and stolen in at least a thousand different ways.

I always wondered why ANY man -- politician or no -- would expend such time and difficulty in winning a major nomination and then make almost no effort to actually win (Dole '96, Kerry '04, McCain '08). Prestige? Profitable lecture circuit?

You have explained it very well.

Blogger Christy Kurzeja February 02, 2015 2:13 AM  

Ich. Have just begun reading, the Fourth Turning...i would have rejected the premise at the time of it's release because my understandig of scripture drove me to a linear understanding of time- manifest destiny and all that rot-.not so now. Not looking forward to a monarchy unless it is christ's millenial reign. Fingers crossed...

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