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Friday, January 30, 2015

Science is raciss

It's now impossible to claim that we are all the same under the skin, thanks to DNA phenotyping.

Parabon's Snapshot Forensic system is said to be able to accurately predict genetic ancestry, eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, freckling, and face shape in individuals from any ethnic background.

Each prediction is presented with a ‘measure of confidence’.

As an example, the test can say a person has green eyes with 61 per cent confidence, green or blue with 79 per cent confidence, and that they definitely don’t have brown eyes, with 99 per cent confidence.

Based on ancestry, and other markers, the test also creates a likely facial shape. From all of this information, it builds a computer generated e-fit.


Science is gradually obliterating the secular myths, one by one. My expectation is that most of the "racist pseudo-science" that was supposedly falsified (and which in most cases was simply declared out of bounds by equalitarian anti-scientists), are going to come back in vogue with a vengeance and on a sound scientific basis.

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Blogger Josh January 30, 2015 11:02 AM  

Paging koanic...

Blogger Krul January 30, 2015 11:17 AM  

There were no witnesses to the murder, so the local authorities turned to the forensic phenotyping and found the person was a male with dark-skinned, brown hair and brown eyes

Well that certainly lowers it down.

This phenotyping thing is cool, though. Do we have any DNA samples from historical people who lived before photography and realistic portraiture? Phenotyping ancient DNA could tell us a lot about the historical movements of the races, if only we had the samples.

Anonymous Noah B. January 30, 2015 11:21 AM  

The feds have quietly been using similar racial profiling techniques for over a decade with unsub DNA samples. Until I saw this article I hadn't heard of it being used for computer generation of a facial image, but it makes sense. I do find it interesting that DNA isn't a very good predictor of height. We're getting better and better information about the effects of nature vs. nurture.

Anonymous hygate January 30, 2015 11:25 AM  

They will be explained away the way they are now.

Genetic differences between differnet sub-groups are so small that they are inconsequential.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 30, 2015 11:36 AM  

Vox takes science seriously when it suits him, and pooh-poohs it when it comes to conclusions he doesn't like (evolution, climate change).

Blogger Northern Hamlet January 30, 2015 11:37 AM  

Too bad they didn't include "grue" or "bleen."

Predictive? Sure. So is the man with the two-headed coin.

Anonymous vevets January 30, 2015 11:39 AM  

My gut sense is that vibrants will get a pass, in time. Unless the DNA can actually predict the degree of fullness of the lips, or greater precision in the shape of the nose, perhaps along tribal lines, the out-of-Africa phenotypal data leaves a lot to be desired.
Maybe further down the line, the data will become more precise. But dark-skinned, brown eyes, brown hair is not specific enough.
Well, specific enough to draw down a whole raft of accusations that the data are being used to unfairly profile persons. *snark*

Anonymous Noah B. January 30, 2015 11:41 AM  

"Vox takes science seriously when it suits him, and pooh-poohs it when it comes to conclusions he doesn't like (evolution, climate change)."

There seem to be no shortage of people these days who don't know the difference between science and conjecture. Evolution and climate change both fall into the latter category.

Anonymous Aquila Aquilonis January 30, 2015 11:48 AM  

Will DNA science ever be able to determine if a creature is ensouled?

Anonymous hygate January 30, 2015 11:50 AM  

Its science cause it comes from scientist.

Oh, and James Randi hasn't denounced it as psuedo-science (even though climate change, at least, fulfills all of his criteria.)

Anonymous Homesteader January 30, 2015 11:54 AM  

What part of "anthropogenic climate disruption" is falsifiable or predictive?

Blogger JCclimber January 30, 2015 12:02 PM  

I see that Mr. Rational is here to demonstrate selective reading ability.

All who hold to the truth are supportive of science. We just don't always bow down in obeisance to scientists, nor is our default position to automatically believe any scientific study.

I worked for a world leading science company, and for internal scientific studies, the rigor and proof required was much higher than you'd expect. Because we'd be betting big money on the outcomes.

Most published science papers in biology, for example, are filled with unproven hypotheses and it got to the point where i could barely stand to read them.

Anonymous Anubis January 30, 2015 12:04 PM  

"I do find it interesting that DNA isn't a very good predictor of height"
For height nutrition matters as you need all the building blocks available when there are growth spurts to keep growth spurts up.

The more differences inside a group than between them argument is like saying a team with a batting average of .328 and a team with an average of .25 are equal because the individuals on the team vary more.

Blogger Vox January 30, 2015 12:11 PM  

Evolution and climate change both fall into the latter category.

In fairness to TENS, it is more than just conjecture. It is philosophy and fairly sound philosophy at that. It's just not science and it's probably incorrect. Climate change is simply bogus from root to leaf.

Anonymous Harsh January 30, 2015 12:33 PM  

Shh, do you hear that? That is the sound of sacred cows being slaughtered.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni January 30, 2015 12:34 PM  

Hmm. Now in all unsolved murder cases where even a smidgeon of DNA is available we will be able to tell for sure that the perpetrator is NOT white. But will we be able to tell if he IS African or Oriental? I see some effect on racial crime statistics.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts January 30, 2015 12:45 PM  

Point out to the SJW crowd that there is far more detailed links between genetics, behavior and intelligence than there are between man's activity and the climate. Sends them to the fainting couch.

Blogger YIH January 30, 2015 12:49 PM  

Maximo Macaroni:
But will we be able to tell if he IS African or Oriental?
African? Very likely, it's not called ''chimping out'' for nothing.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts January 30, 2015 12:50 PM  

The more differences inside a group than between them argument is like saying a team with a batting average of .328 and a team with an average of .25 are equal because the individuals on the team vary more.

I've heard a guy rebut the myth that the average white person has more in common with a black person than with other whites using this (paraphrasing):

"The average male height and average female height are only a few inches different. Does that mean that Tom Cruise has more in common with a woman than he does with Yao Ming? Absurd to compare averages and ranges."

Anonymous Daniel January 30, 2015 12:51 PM  

Will DNA science ever be able to determine if a creature is ensouled?

The Egyptians already have done this. The volume of the Great Pyramid is calculated to have the capacity to contain approximately 161,000,000,000 human souls, and there have been something between 153,000,000,000 and 173,000,000,000 humans on earth so far. If the Pyramid is full, then we'll probably start having a lot more soulless people in the world.

This may explain John Scalzi.

I read about it in Foucault's Pendulum, so it's just got to be true...

Blogger Feather Blade January 30, 2015 1:31 PM  

The volume of the Great Pyramid is calculated to have the capacity to contain approximately 161,000,000,000 human souls,

Even if that one is full, there are still all of the smaller pyramids to fill.

Unless those aren't designed to hold souls.

Anonymous Bender Rodriguez' inner underpants gnome January 30, 2015 1:31 PM  

What part of "anthropogenic climate disruption" is falsifiable or predictive?

1) kill all humans;
2) take temperature;
3) profit!

Anonymous Aeoli January 30, 2015 1:49 PM  

Curious to see what the ancient Greeks looked like? :-)

Anonymous Porky January 30, 2015 2:31 PM  

Curious to see what the ancient Greeks looked like? :-)

So they've identified the 'gay gene'?

Anonymous Athor Pel January 30, 2015 2:39 PM  

" Aeoli January 30, 2015 1:49 PM
Curious to see what the ancient Greeks looked like? :-)
"



You can find that out right now. Lots of Greek statuary is still out there and undamaged enough. Depending on era, much of it was highly realistic in style. The more important pieces have been extensively photographed and those photos are on the web.

I was looking a bust of Socrates the other day and yes, he looks pugnacious.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 30, 2015 2:49 PM  

So they've identified the 'gay gene'?

Funny you should say that, I've recently observed a very strong undercurrent of bisexuality in Neanderthal Americans, which seems to be distinct from the sexual deviancy that often arises due to Omega SSMV.

Anonymous Daniel January 30, 2015 2:50 PM  

Even if that one is full, there are still all of the smaller pyramids to fill.

Unless those aren't designed to hold souls.


That was my thought when I first read it too. Apparently, the math doesn't work out that way. Also, I don't know if you could do an addition to the original. You know, maybe a nice camelback...

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 30, 2015 2:54 PM  

In fact, the medium-high IQ neanderthals (~165) seem to be more predisposed thus. Phrenology for this subgroup is high testosterone (cheek and jaw development) and wide-spaced eyes, Alan Turing being archetypal.

Anyway, there are a number of things going on in there, and the bonobo social strategy seems to be one of them. Not condoning it, just pointing it out.

Anonymous Daniel January 30, 2015 2:58 PM  

What would be a pretty cool application for this would be to sweep a DNA detector through hotel rooms following a political convention, and reconstruct the previous night's occupants...

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 30, 2015 2:59 PM  

My expectation is that most of the "racist pseudo-science" that was supposedly falsified (and which in most cases was simply declared out of bounds by equalitarian anti-scientists), are going to come back in vogue with a vengeance and on a sound scientific basis.

To be fair, it was definitely pseudoscience (and still is). But it's better than nothing, or at least until we can build an artificial neural network that can do computer vision -> prediction at this level.

The consequence of building this network is unfortunate, but predictable.

Blogger Owen January 30, 2015 3:02 PM  

What would be a pretty cool application for this would be to sweep a DNA detector through hotel rooms following a political convention, and reconstruct the previous night's occupants...

Assuming you don't find animal DNA...

Anonymous Quartermaster January 30, 2015 4:27 PM  

@Mr. Rational

"Vox takes science seriously when it suits him, and pooh-poohs it when it comes to conclusions he doesn't like (evolution, climate change)."

Vox has the correct attitude. You, OTOH, simply swallow the consensus whole. Neither of the things you mention are the result of science, but of, at best, corrupt people looking to profit by their status of being high priests of scientism.

The problem with evolution is morons like Dawkins and Krauss have acted in a deceptive manner by conflating one fact, micro-evolution, with macro-evolution which is a completely unscientific speculation. Evolutionists and global Warming fabulists live in a self affirming world that maintains itself demonizing any possible dissent. There are a good many non-Christian people that do not accept macro-evolution, and they are to be commended for their ability to distinguish between fact and fantasy. The exchange upstairs from this is a good example of the foundations needed to really understand it is impossible.

Anonymous jay c January 30, 2015 4:54 PM  

Abortion for sex & health selection is already here. Expect each generation from here on out to be more beautiful than the one before.

Until God intervenes, at least.

Anonymous BAWBBY January 30, 2015 5:00 PM  

THAT'S NAWT WHAT AHM SEEIN AT THE LOCAL WAAAAHLMAWT

Anonymous Peter Garstig January 30, 2015 5:00 PM  

The internet would segregate if phenotyping would be possible with written words instead of DNA. Also, Pynchon a black whore, with freckles.

Blogger SirHamster January 30, 2015 5:11 PM  

Abortion for sex & health selection is already here. Expect each generation from here on out to be more beautiful than the one before.

Nope. See what passes for culture and knowledge these days? Same selection pressures.

Anonymous hausfrau January 30, 2015 5:13 PM  

I'm guessing we've all heard the factoid that chimpanzee DNA only differs from human DNA by about %2. We also share %47.5 of our DNA with a unicellular protozoan called Tetrahymena thermophile. Clearly small differences in blue prints make for huge difference in outcome.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/genetic_accounting.htm

Blogger hank.jim January 30, 2015 5:15 PM  

I can't wait for sexual orientation DNA phenotyping. We need more science that tells us what we already know.

Blogger dfordoom January 30, 2015 5:30 PM  

Sometimes the consensus isn't really a consensus. The consensus on climate change has been achieved through the Left's usual tactics of bullying and intimidation. Any scientist who expresses doubt can kiss his career goodbye.

I don't see that in the case of evolution though.

Blogger Jeff D January 30, 2015 6:53 PM  

I am missing the significance. DNA has always been known to determine hair and skin color.

Blogger bob k. mando January 30, 2015 7:39 PM  

Harsh January 30, 2015 12:33 PM
Shh, do you hear that? That is the sound of sacred cows being slaughtered.



i thought it was the screaming of the lambs ...

Anonymous jay c January 30, 2015 8:49 PM  

My comments are going to spam, despite going thru the bot test.

Blogger TheCitadel January 30, 2015 11:35 PM  

Don't count on it. In the Modern World, science has been profaned. It is a tool for destructive politics, not human ingenuity and understanding

Blogger bob k. mando January 31, 2015 12:37 AM  

jay c January 30, 2015 8:49 PM
My comments are going to spam, despite going thru the bot test.


get a gmail account. if you have a Google account, use it to sign in.

you can modify your profile to return any handle you want while posting.

Anonymous Steve January 31, 2015 1:22 AM  

"The volume of the Great Pyramid is calculated to have the capacity to contain approximately 161,000,000,000 human souls,

Even if that one is full, there are still all of the smaller pyramids to fill.

Unless those aren't designed to hold souls."

We're covered. As long as we undertake the proper corpse preparations at the proper times of the year,a soul can be encapsulated within approximately 2 teaspoons of pure essential salts,according to the Necronomicon. However, there does seem to be a slight problem with preparing the salts in such a way that a pure soul rather than a vengeful wraith is called up via the soul extraction procedure. Oh well...

'To be fair, it was definitely pseudoscience (and still is)."

As compared to what? Social Dominance Theory? Or the "scientific" belief that "poverty" causes black crime? It's practically Newton's Laws of Motion compared to what passes for science on the subject today.

"Science is gradually obliterating the secular myths, one by one. My expectation is that most of the "racist pseudo-science" that was supposedly falsified (and which in most cases was simply declared out of bounds by equalitarian anti-scientists), are going to come back in vogue with a vengeance and on a sound scientific basis."

I have privately bet money on it.

Though the racial science of the early 20th century was derided as "racist" and "pseudoscientific" it is worthwhile to note that predictions which have been made based on it,by laymen no less, have come true. This is in contrast to the predictions made by those of the opposing camp that enfranchisement,desegregation,and rising incomes for negroes would narrow the achievement gap or even the IQ gap between whites and negroes in one or two generations. On the contrary, the gap has widened or at the very least remained constant.
Every claim made by equalitarian racial dogmatists who destroyed reputations and careers of racial scientists with charges of "racial bigotry" HAS ALREADY been falsified and it is THEY who hold onto these claims and even dare to extend them and make even more ridiculous assertions. History has shown that it was THEY who stubbornly clung to ignorant and false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary,i.e., THEY were and are,in fact, bigots themselves.

When working class whites made predictions that desegregation would ruin the morals,racial harmony,and cultural landscape of America without doing anything to alleviate the problems which were supposedly being addressed they were laughed at and mocked as "ignorant hillbillies". The only people laughing now are "ignorant hillbillies" who have been proven right and those malicious individuals,mostly of jewish extraction,who think that falling educational and personal income standards as well as the current poor international reputation of America is funny.

Blogger Manveer Claire January 31, 2015 8:47 AM  

@Mr. Rational

By climate change, I'm assuming you don't mean changing climate, since climate changing is completely expected. The earth has always had climate that changes, from ice ages to very warm periods, much warmer than modern times.

What you really mean is man-made global warming. The reason scientists adopted "climate change" is because they realized that they would look like idiots as the planet started getting colder. You know ice caps being biggest recorded in decades made it obvious they were talking out of their asses. So yes, let's crusade against climate change, right after we finish with orbiting earth.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 31, 2015 2:07 PM  

As compared to what? Social Dominance Theory? Or the "scientific" belief that "poverty" causes black crime? It's practically Newton's Laws of Motion compared to what passes for science on the subject today.

I see what you're getting at, but comparison has nothing to do with it.

Anonymous jay c February 01, 2015 2:51 PM  

Bob, I have a gmail account and I'm logged into it. It's not helping.

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