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Wednesday, January 14, 2015

The end of the troll hunt

I spoke with a representative of the Marshfield police department yesterday, and I can declare, with a reasonable degree of confidence, that the great troll campaign of the last five years appears to be more or less at an end. The police had Yama (whose identity, it turns out, was correctly identified) down to the station with his caretakers, none of whom knew anything at all about what Yama had been doing online for the last 12 years. I have been assured that there will be no further trolling of this blog, or of the many other blogs that have been trolled in the past, and that Yama will not be permitted unrestricted access to the Internet going forward.

While Yama did subsequently take advantage of what I suspect was access outside his home to post a short comment on Brad Torgersen's blog under the name of Alauda yesterday, I have already reported it to the police and they are addressing the matter. If Yama posts additional comments anywhere else, please bring them to my attention right away so that I can report them. I expect there will be a few more minor incidents of a similar fashion as Yama attempts to evade his newly imposed restrictions.

I have decided not to press criminal charges at this time due to my opinion that the individual responsible for the cyberstalking is not entirely capable of controlling his behavior. I'm not even certain he'd be considered sufficiently competent to be held liable for them. I do, however, retain the option to press charges if it turns out that the individual's caretakers prove unable, or unwilling, to control his online activity in the future. I can also assure those who have been concerned about various threats made by Yama to various parties over the last 12 years that he poses absolutely no physical threat to anyone. So, the good news is that it looks like it's all over.

As an occasional critic of the American police, I would be remiss if I failed to note that the Marshfield police were thorough and professional throughout the course of their investigation. They were also very considerate with regards to some of the more sensitive aspects of the affair, and their temperate actions have permitted us to reach a much better outcome than I had originally imagined possible. I was very impressed by them, as I cannot see how they could have handled the matter any better than they did.

I won't go into any details about Yama except to say this: he is not someone to be hated or feared. He is someone to be pitied. That doesn't excuse his execrable behavior, but it does, to a certain extent, explain it. You could do worse than to pray for the poor bastard.

As for the other trolls, who don't have a similar explanation for their behavior, I hope you will have the sense to see this as a warning. Cyberstalking is a crime in most jurisdictions, and the police do take it seriously when a properly documented complaint is lodged with them.

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Blogger Josh January 14, 2015 1:24 PM  

I won't go into any details about Yama except to say this: he is not someone to be hated or feared. He is someone to be pitied. That doesn't excuse his execrable behavior, but it does, to a certain extent, explain it. You could do worse than to pray for the poor bastard.

Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.

Anonymous Rabbi B January 14, 2015 1:32 PM  

My precioussssssssssssss . . . we hates him .... we do .....

Blogger JartStar January 14, 2015 1:32 PM  

His strange belief that his artwork and writing are very good when it was obviously childish in nature is explained by his condition. The poor guy just isn't all there, and I pray that the Light of the World will calm his troubled heart.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 1:43 PM  

When I was gathering the pieces of information that allowed us to be 100% certain of his identity, I was imagining a worthy opponent. A cartoon villain. Someone whom you love to have, and whose destruction is a satisfying grande finale.

Well, let's just say that the amount of actualized satisfaction has left me wanting.

Blogger The Deuce January 14, 2015 1:44 PM  

I won't go into any details about Yama except to say this: he is not someone to be hated or feared. He is someone to be pitied.

I'm going with "autistic enough to require caretakers."

Anonymous DavidK January 14, 2015 1:48 PM  

I am happy to hear this story had a happy ending. And let's hope Yama takes advantage of this opportunity to become a better person.

Blogger Joshua Dyal January 14, 2015 1:48 PM  

Well, let's just say that the amount of actualized satisfaction has left me wanting.

Such is often the case. And as the mark of the truly civilized, y'all have been sufficiently magnanimous in victory. Any barbaric warlord can be feared, but only a true gentleman can be respected.

Blogger YIH January 14, 2015 1:51 PM  

Congratulations Vox. TBH, I was skeptical that it would arrive at this conclusion, posting links to shock images to minors while dumb, didn't strike me as something this clown could be busted for.
The ongoing 8chan drama (note this link) made me doubt that he either possessed or posted 'kiddy porn' because even defining it is not nearly as simple as you might think.
Nor did I think the Mass. police would even take seriously a complaint coming from Italy.
All that said, cheers Vox, for a well deserved victory!

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 1:59 PM  

Can you be so autistic that you actually need help? That Vox would say you deserve pity? How fucked up must he be?

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 2:03 PM  

No, the issue is at least as much physical as it is psychological. Hence the remark about him not posing a danger to anyone. Maybe if you went to his house and gave him a loaded gun and stood very still, MAYBE then he could pose a danger.

Anonymous Doug Wardell January 14, 2015 2:07 PM  

He's always seemed heavily damaged at best. Well-adjusted folks don't have the sort of time and inability to move on which he displayed. I'm glad you were able to reach such a positive end.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 14, 2015 2:09 PM  

I think the cognitive dissonance involved in him yelling "persecution" when you started tracking him in earnest that gave away he might not be all that attuned to what was actually going on.

Congratulations on obtaining a useful resolution, and the subsequent well-deserved respite.

At least until the next one. What is the shelf life of popcorn, anyway?

Anonymous Toby Temple January 14, 2015 2:12 PM  

He was a an Internet troll, Markku. Why did you even expect more from the guy?

Nonetheless, I'm glad that this troll hunt is over.

Anonymous Joseph January 14, 2015 2:14 PM  

"As an occasional critic of the American police"...lol.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 2:18 PM  

Why did you even expect more from the guy?

I expected competent moves of a professional troll, once I had him in my targets. Hiding his identity, misdirection, framing some poor fall guy and making us look stupid, that sort of a thing.

In short, I expected the final battle to be challenging. And then I expected him to play the nice, poor disabled guy to the police who has realized the error of his ways, get their sympathy, and wiggle out of it all with minimal inconvenience, after which the chase would be back on, and finally that one final mistake that ends the saga in an explosive finale.

But what he actually always did, was the stupidest imaginable move. The move that was SO stupid that it didn't even occur to me. Like going RIGHT back it, after the police had had their little "chat" with him.

Anonymous Porky January 14, 2015 2:20 PM  

When you follow the klieg lights it almost always leads you to a mattress sale.

Blogger SirHamster January 14, 2015 2:21 PM  

I expected competent moves of a professional troll, once I had him in my targets. Hiding his identity, misdirection, framing some poor fall guy and making us look stupid, that sort of a thing.

Too much fiction, eh?

Instead of giants, we get windmills.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 14, 2015 2:22 PM  

Good, the matter is resolved minus further drama.

OpenID thenoisyrogue January 14, 2015 2:23 PM  

I admire your refusal to press charges and the reasoning behind. A vindictive man is often as bad as his tormentor. The John Scalzis of the world will mistake your act here for weakness, much to their own misfortune. In your situation they would have pressed charges as far as it would go. Which speaks volumes.

Blogger IM2L844 January 14, 2015 2:24 PM  

At least until the next one. What is the shelf life of popcorn, anyway?

Not to worry. Around here, popcorn flies off the shelves like...well, like hotcakes.

Blogger JCclimber January 14, 2015 2:26 PM  

poor impulse control was amply displayed, for example his prolific use of screen names and utter inability to stop posting even after it became clear that trouble was coming down the pike.

And to think, this person can read (maybe not with great comprehension), and write, and now consider all those who are graduating from high school without even that ability.

I encounter them at work. I wonder what utter idiot hired them, because once they are in, their special needs make it very difficult to fire them unless the manager has real cojones.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 2:26 PM  

Eyesight? MS? Stephen Hawkinsdom (ALS)? Actual cerebral scalzi, err palsy?

Even is he was paraplegic, he'd be able to shoot you.

Poor feller.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

It does provide a rather stark example for the remaining trolls.

We'll see if they get the message.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 14, 2015 2:28 PM  

It's a shame that it all had to come to this. Regardless of his physical or mental condition, he was definitely someone who was so filled with anger and hatred that he had to troll. It was an addiction for him to distract from what is probably a mess of a life.

Other trolls should take note though. Anyone engaging in similar behavior to Yama without his disabilities will probably be looking at prison time.

Congrats to resolving this issue Vox. I know that it was probably a lot of trouble to follow through with, but it was necessary.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 14, 2015 2:42 PM  

Lord, please have mercy on Andrew. Allow him to find peace and joy in his life.

And thank you Vox, for providing a good model of Christian Justice.

Blogger Doom January 14, 2015 2:47 PM  

In one sense, they are all Yama. It's a sickness, probably of spirit, but it might not stop at that. I have met them, in real life. Can't say if Yama caused his own problems, or is simply a victim of something of which he had no control. I do know that most of them are sick by choice.

Pleased that someone is beginning to work on some of it. One drop in a very, at least seemingly, deep ocean. Now to the rest, and hackers.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 2:50 PM  

Have I ever trolled here?

Blogger pbuxton January 14, 2015 2:56 PM  

A friend who was a deacon and the son of a Federal judge, when I was accosted by a mentally ill person off his meds, said: Press charges. That creates the formal paper trail. That formally charges his caretakers to ensure he takes his medications and avoid the Internet, or report him and send him to jail, or face charges of negligence themselves.

It's not pleasant, but it is the law. Vox, all you have now is an informal understanding, not an enforceable judgement. You were merciful, but not, perhaps, correct. Good luck

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 2:57 PM  

Have I ever trolled here?

Not in my opinion. There is a difference between getting into an argument and getting upset, and intentionally attempting to disrupt the discourse. The main thing is repeatedly returning after being told your commenting permission has been withdrawn. For some reason, many people who understand the need to stay off someone's lawn after being told don't seem to grasp that the same principle applies to cyberspace.

Yes, there is nothing PHYSICALLY preventing you from commenting again. But there is nothing PHYSICALLY preventing you from walking on the lawn, and yet you can legally be shot after having been warned not to trespass.

BLACK ICE! That would be a useful commenting system. Probably some liability issues, though.

Anonymous DNW January 14, 2015 2:58 PM  

"when I was gathering the pieces of information that allowed us to be 100% certain of his identity, I was imagining a worthy opponent. A cartoon villain. Someone whom you love to have, and whose destruction is a satisfying grande finale.

Well, let's just say that the amount of actualized satisfaction has left me wanting."



Imagine the annoyance and grief which mentally pitiable, morally pathetic, and behaviorally incontinent people cause everyday to those who don't quite realize that the pathological case they are forced to deal with, is actually operating on a more or less sub-moral level.

I suppose we sometimes give them way too much credit for life and moral competency, and assume a penetrating malice, where there is just a flailing sack of chaos seeking confirmation of its own existence through acts of interpersonal provocation.

When, some years ago, an RKBA discussion board debate went off the rails and insanely personal, I finally had a hyper-antagonistic and threatening nutcase tracked down by some investigator friends in order to assess just how menacing he really might be (did I need to start carrying?); only to find he was some late middle-aged single male living in the cottage he inherited from his mother, and which he shared with a schizophrenic brother. No job. Bicycled everywhere. Kept busy by attending Hate Bush rallies. Surviving on some kind of pension from what appeared to be a very short Navy career as an enlisted man. Total left-wing nerd package right down to the stocky build and heavy black framed, thick lensed eyeglasses. Geez.



Anonymous Jamie NZ January 14, 2015 2:58 PM  

Scene from 300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACwOU1Nkrys

Starring Vox as King Leonidas

Yama as Ephialtes the traitor

Leonidas addresses Ephialtes

"You there Ephialtes.....May you live forever"

Anonymous jack January 14, 2015 2:59 PM  

Don't worry Waterboy. Any reasonable amount of popcorn on the shelves or in the 250 gallon bins, will not go overdate while this blog is active.

As for decreasing troll activity...one can hope. Though, you must admit, we were entertained.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 2:59 PM  

That formally charges his caretakers to ensure he takes his medications and avoid the Internet, or report him and send him to jail, or face charges of negligence themselves.

I will do so if necessary. I haven't seen any indication that it is necessary at this point. I think it should be obvious at this point that I am not an impatient man.

Anonymous jack January 14, 2015 3:03 PM  

The internet may have been Andrew's life; such as it was. What now for him? I wonder if he were introduced to computer gaming it would help him through it all?
I hope he will not be dangerously despondent.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 14, 2015 3:03 PM  

markku: "Like going RIGHT back it, after the police had had their little "chat" with him."

I know. I even tried to warn him beforehand with a specific example of another troll who did the exact same thing, but it fell on deaf ears.

Must be pathological, I'm thinking.

Blogger wrf3 January 14, 2015 3:14 PM  

Tommy Hass wrote: Can you be so autistic that you actually need help?

Unfortunately, but absolutely, yes.

Anonymous joe doakes January 14, 2015 3:31 PM  

Good form, Vox. Pushed exactly as far as necessary to achieve the goal, but no further. I'm impressed.

Josh, I prefer the Harvard Lampoon version: "He would have finished him off then and there, but pity stayed his hand. 'It's a pity I've run out of bullets' he thought, as he went back up the tunnel..."

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 14, 2015 3:36 PM  

I knew a man in my church (he's passed on now) who had Crones disease, MS, and was bipolar. Toward the end of his life, it was a struggle to wake up and just have faith that God is even there. Yet his heart was not full of bitterness or hatred but simply love, the kind of love that only comes from God.

I hope that Yama can learn to be the same way.

Anonymous Stickwick January 14, 2015 3:41 PM  

Joshua Dyal: And as the mark of the truly civilized, y'all have been sufficiently magnanimous in victory.

Reminds me of Proverbs 24:17. Defeat can be a great gift from God, as it is an opportunity to see the error of your ways and get on the right path. Not sure if Yama is capable of that, but one certainly hopes.

Anonymous JI January 14, 2015 3:51 PM  

What did this Yama guy say that was so awful? I haven't followed the threads on this matter for the most part. This wasn't just a guy disagreeing with Vox and some other bloggers?

Anonymous daddynichol January 14, 2015 3:52 PM  

Send him the Castalia House catalog of books and a new Bible in the hope he will pass his time reading worthwhile literary works. Without his computer, his life will be one of emptiness and coldness. Perhaps that's fitting for short term punishment, but one could hope he would respond favorably to the printed word sent by those whom he believed to be his enemy.

If I had the financial ability, I would give it a shot by sending one book a month and if he seems to gain from the gesture, send yet another.

Blogger IM2L844 January 14, 2015 3:56 PM  

I hope that Yama can learn to be the same way.

It's a coin flip. I find it difficult to believe he will do the smart thing, let alone the honorable thing.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 3:58 PM  

What did this Yama guy say that was so awful?

Google "Yamamanama", "Alauda", and "Yama the Spacefish" and reserve a few hours.

I note with some amusement that the various people who claimed I was bluffing and that I had no case have not seen fit to comment on this particular post.

OpenID pancakeloach January 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

I hope now that his caretakers are aware of this problem, that they will take whatever steps are necessary to educate themselves about obsessive behavior and somehow work with Andrew to find him another hobby. And some psychological help.

Anonymous Just a guy January 14, 2015 4:07 PM  

Vox - well done showing mercy.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 4:09 PM  

"For some reason, many people who understand the need to stay off someone's lawn after being told don't seem to grasp that the same principle applies to cyberspace."

Not gonna lie, I though "cyber stalking" was a crime kinda like hate speech etc, that some countries enacted to protect some feelings. I didn't know that it was something that could get you prosecuted in 1st Amendment having America.

As for Yama: For the Love of God, I hope he isn't actually suffering from Schizophrenia AND from a sort of neurological/muscle based disease.

That'd be one hell of a bad hand.

Blogger SirHamster January 14, 2015 4:15 PM  

Vox - well done showing mercy.

Award-winning cruelty artist.

Blogger automatthew January 14, 2015 4:20 PM  

Tommy Hass: "That'd be one hell of a bad hand."

And yet certain populations have high incidences of both.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 4:27 PM  

"And yet certain populations have high incidences of both."

The Paddies?

Anonymous Alexander January 14, 2015 4:33 PM  

This post reminded me of our old friend, Pox Vay. Sadly, it seems that blog has been shut down. Was there any connection between that and this?

Anonymous Daniel January 14, 2015 4:35 PM  

Debugging the internet, one troll at a time.

Make's McRapey's banhammer seem flaccid in comparison.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 4:38 PM  

I though "cyber stalking" was a crime kinda like hate speech etc, that some countries enacted to protect some feelings. I didn't know that it was something that could get you prosecuted in 1st Amendment having America.

Think of it as a combination of trespassing and stalking.

Anonymous Daniel January 14, 2015 4:39 PM  

Was there any connection between that and this?

I don't know about that but she (Pox Vay) was just in it for the attention, and that dried up extremely quickly (as in, a couple of days).

I don't think she understood the necessary components of consistent blogging. She just wanted to "riff" off funnier source material. She was kind of like one of those guys who does impressions of better comedians, except that she could never nail the voice.

Anonymous Don January 14, 2015 4:43 PM  

As bad as this might look for Andrew this is actually a good thing for him. Obviously, the internet had taken over his life. When somebody shows such vile and obsessive behavior over time I suspect spiritual oppression. He would do well to go to a church.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 14, 2015 4:51 PM  

Make's McRapey's banhammer seem flaccid in comparison.

You're comparing raisins to bananas on that one.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 4:57 PM  

Reading the OP I recalled this: 15 year old sentenced to prison for domestic terrorism

And this part:

Horner, described as affecting a brash, “hardcore” persona while online was anything but throughout the trial. At multiple times Horner broke down into fits of sobbing hysteria and calls to his mother, to the point that the presiding Judge, Arthur Digsby, was forced to have him removed. Hearing the sentence of 25 years to life, Horner began sobbing. Judge Digsby told Horner that though he felt bad for the youth, he was ultimately responsible for his own actions.

“Ignorance of consequence because of lack of thought absolves no one”, the Judge told Horner. “Thinking that your actions were only a prank did not make them only a prank.”


Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 4:57 PM  

Obviously, the internet had taken over his life.

Well, in that condition, internet is pretty much all there is left. And now even that is gone.

Anonymous Fadpole January 14, 2015 5:00 PM  

so you took down a cripple??

ok, that was a troll. Sorry. just funnin.

Blogger Quadko January 14, 2015 5:01 PM  

And thanks for publicizing the process, VD, very informative. Much appreciated!

Anonymous damaged justice January 14, 2015 5:04 PM  

Paradigm: You got trolled. This looks legit, though:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/he-lies-for-six-figures-a-year-1.1770413

"But Horner had reached an important realisation: There was big traffic potential in humour or trolling disguised as news."

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 5:06 PM  

Hearing the sentence of 25 years to life, Horner began sobbing. Judge Digsby told Horner that though he felt bad for the youth, he was ultimately responsible for his own actions.

Didn't happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Report

"National Report is a fake news website which posts fictional articles related to world events."

Blogger njartist January 14, 2015 5:07 PM  

Mercy to those for whom it is needed; Justice for those to whom it is due.

Anonymous Mudz January 14, 2015 5:29 PM  

The police had Yama (whose identity, it turns out, was correctly identified) down to the station with his caretakers

As soon as you said that I felt sorry for the sod. Legitimate crippling dysfunction is earnestly pitiable.

I don't know what his condition is, but I hope he gets better. I'll include him in my prayers tonight.

But I'm thoroughly impressed. Highly admirable resolution, Vox. I didn't even know these kind of results were possible.

Anonymous Mudz January 14, 2015 5:34 PM  

Oh, and Markku, of course.

Sorry you didn't get your thrilling chase scene, bud. We've all been there.

OpenID luagha January 14, 2015 5:35 PM  

"But what he actually always did, was the stupidest imaginable move."

Addicts are addicted.

Let's hope this action will help him break his addiction.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 5:43 PM  

Markku
didn't happen

How annoying. Bad Google, leading me to fall for a hoax on teh Interwebs. I should pay more attention to sources. Perhaps I was thinking of Matt Weigman, who did get a prison term for several things including SWATting. He was 18 or older, though. And being legally blind didn't make much difference, seems to me.

Ok, how about this arrest, then?

Or this Ars Technica case?

Real stuff in the real world can generate real trouble.

Anonymous George of the Jungle January 14, 2015 5:52 PM  

Vox, congratulations. Although I may have missed it, the only thing missing from this thread is a photo of the perp.

Anonymous Clark Bianco January 14, 2015 6:02 PM  

So what is the incident number of the report that was made by the Marshfield police, so that we can pull it and read it? It should be available for public request by state law, so I imagine it would be entertaining reading.

Blogger YIH January 14, 2015 6:09 PM  

pbuxton:
A friend who was a deacon and the son of a Federal judge, when I was accosted by a mentally ill person off his meds, said: Press charges. That creates the formal paper trail. That formally charges his caretakers to ensure he takes his medications and avoid the Internet, or report him and send him to jail, or face charges of negligence themselves.
From the OP, this jerk's internet usage is restricted apparently as part of his probation/''pre-trial diversion'' (that's what it's called in FL). If Vox feels it necessary, he still has the option to press charges which steps up the game another level (prosecution).
I give Vox credit for keeping his arrows in his quiver, why use them if it isn't really necessary?
The pinhead now realizes he needs to behave himself and if he doesn't, things are going to be worse.
Justice tempered with proper mercy, can't ask for more.
Hopefully this idiot has figured out ''Don't F with Vox, if you make it necessary he can F your world up!''.
You don't have to shoot the animal if the cattle prod is enough ;)

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 6:18 PM  

"Well, in that condition, internet is pretty much all there is left. And now even that is gone."

I'm sorry but what could that possibly be?

If he helped out in the wild life park, he must've been able to move. He apparently got out from his place and accessed the internet.

I apologize for my curiosity, but I cannot wrap my head around it.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 6:25 PM  

So what is the incident number of the report that was made by the Marshfield police, so that we can pull it and read it? It should be available for public request by state law, so I imagine it would be entertaining reading.

I have no idea. I didn't ask.

I give Vox credit for keeping his arrows in his quiver, why use them if it isn't really necessary?

I think it is important to never use more force than is required. It's something I learned from my sensei; never show them everything. Among other things, a restrained approach demonstrates to future opponents that I am patient and that whatever shot they've taken is not my best one. When I fought, I was never one of those guys who just charged in and flailed wildly away. I liked to study the opponent, figure out where his weaknesses were, and then methodically exploit them.

Sometimes you didn't have the chance, of course. But that was usually my preference. It's more important to find the weakness than to find it quickly.

OpenID cailcorishev January 14, 2015 6:52 PM  

I though "cyber stalking" was a crime kinda like hate speech etc, that some countries enacted to protect some feelings.

That may have been their intention, but that doesn't mean it can't be used for better purposes.

You can stand on your own property and call me an asshole all you want. When you come onto my property to do it, or follow me around town doing it, I have a say about it.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 14, 2015 7:02 PM  

so I imagine it would be entertaining reading.
Really Clark?
I figured you as being more compassionate...

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 14, 2015 7:08 PM  

Also in good news Girls ratings were down

Anonymous Difster January 14, 2015 7:13 PM  

...and I can declare, with a reasonable degree of confidence, that the great troll campaign of the last five years appears to be more or less at an end.

Well NOW what are we going to do for fun around here?

Oh yeah, there's always Tiny, Tiny Tim.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 7:20 PM  

If he helped out in the wild life park, he must've been able to move.

With the help of the assistant and a wheelchair, yes. The Wildlife Center -thing threw me off too. I'm pretty sure I understand it all now, but that would require sharing a few details that could easily be said to be private information, and also being quite an asshole to say publicly.

Anonymous Daniel January 14, 2015 7:24 PM  

So...NWA was right in a case like this...

Parental Discretion Iz Advised.

Blogger Bogey January 14, 2015 7:52 PM  

Cheers to VD and the police for handling this in such a Christian manner.

Anonymous Southron January 14, 2015 7:56 PM  

Basically he was like a Stephan Hawking... but instead of physics and banging nurses, he was trolling and stalking people by pecking on his keyboard with his nose or using a series of blinks?

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 8:03 PM  

But, here's the thing. I have noticed just in the last year or so a dramatic increase in answered prayers. You pray a half-hearted prayer, once, and it gets answered in the specific and almost comically literalistic way you worded it. I'm starting to think that we are officially over the line of end-times now, and this is now a time of a different nature than before. Like those centuries just before Jesus's incarnation, when God's word was not heard even once, and then suddenly things get crazy.

So, seriously. Let's pray. As a community of believers.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 8:07 PM  

***sigh***

where's beau?

Anonymous Daniel January 14, 2015 8:11 PM  

Okay.

Blogger automatthew January 14, 2015 8:15 PM  

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who have trespassed against us.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

Markku,
Yes. There is something to what you say. I wrote my few words for Andrew honestly.
Strangely, it seems if it is prayers for stuff in my life it's harder to pray. Do you feel that way also?

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 8:39 PM  

Amazing. One troll gets hauled into the police station and is virtually barred from the Internet and another one promptly decides that I'm making it all up despite the previous troll's sudden disappearance.

This is almost like an example of a proof of the existence of God. The facts are absolutely and eminently clear to everyone involved, with no questions at all, but because one idiot wasn't there and hasn't seen it for himself, he is convinced that none of it is true and everyone must be lying.

The proof, my dear NTA, is that Andrew Marston has not commented here in days. You will note there are no familiar IP addresses from Marshfield, MA in the Sitemeter statistics. Nor will there be in the future.

Anonymous MendoScot January 14, 2015 8:42 PM  

The paper trail is important. Andrew, regardless of his problems, was simply stupid in his behaviour. I'm dealing with one who has targeted my family, amongst others, but is very intelligent and physically intact - cycling 14 miles a day to and from work. He was my wife's PhD student, went to one of the top US labs and was expelled under police guard with a "never return" order.

My judgement is that he is only physically dangerous to himself (a homosexual), although he has threatened violence against my family and many others with whom he has worked. Nonetheless, he has created false online accounts in my wife's name to write references for his job applications (not just her, also the US bigwig). She has started the paper trail with the police, because he is smart enough to fake accounts to get evidence that she is not supporting his fraudulent applications.

Now, I think I have the bases covered - physically he makes sure that we never come close - but if there is somethng I should be doing I would appreciate it.

Anonymous A member of The NTA January 14, 2015 8:46 PM  

Amazing. One troll gets hauled into the police station

It's important to note no actual evidence of this has been given

Plus, it's pretty clear you and marku have no idea where IPs are are actually coming from.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 9:01 PM  

It's important to note no actual evidence of this has been given

It's not important, it's irrelevant. Where is Yama? Why isn't he claiming that this is all false, that I've got nothing on him and so forth? How long are you going to be willing to look like an idiot as he continues to not be here, there, or anywhere?

Plus, it's pretty clear you and marku have no idea where IPs are are actually coming from.

You're wrong. I have no idea what Markku does, and he does regularly guess incorrectly. I have no idea why he always likes to spell everything out for everyone; it's certainly not the way I do it.

But I do have your IP addresses because all visitors here are have their IPs recorded. It is, admittedly, harder here than on the CH site, since Wordpress comments register all IPs directly. But it's not hard to map yours against the datestamps, especially now that we have the comment mining tool.

Anonymous Bottled Nixon January 14, 2015 9:07 PM  

There's no reason for the blogger to lie about something that's so easily verified. It's literally a matter of public record, and there's a decent chance that the case will be available to the public online in a few weeks.

Anonymous so why not January 14, 2015 9:19 PM  

post NTA's IP address and get it over with

OpenID arhyalon January 14, 2015 9:23 PM  

God bless you, Vox. I commend you for not humiliating him further, considering that you discovered circumstances that suggested it would be better not to.

And congratulations on the coming blog peace.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 9:27 PM  

Strangely, it seems if it is prayers for stuff in my life it's harder to pray. Do you feel that way also?

Hmm. I don't know. Can't say that I recognize the phenomenon. Perhaps I might say that I have lower expectations for an answer, if the prayer basically is about my own convenience. But I don't have any aversion to asking it anyway.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 9:33 PM  

NTA, I thought you offered the challenge in good humor back then. That's the spirit in which I took it. I didn't use any tools - I don't even know how to use them, but others here do. But you aren't really a problem. Your identity doesn't interest me that much. Especially now that I realize you are no fun. You weren't annoying initially, you were kind of entertaining. Now you are annoying. So, I'll simply delete your messages when I see them.

However, the unnamed person who gathered the documentation on Andrew MIGHT get on your case. Don't know, don't care. I'll simply delete you on sight, and that will be the end of my responsibilities.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 9:35 PM  

Now this is interesting. I'll need to do a bit more work to confirm it, but I think I know who NTA is now and I think I may be able to figure out where he works.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 9:44 PM  

As for my part, I will take the credit on Andrew's case for scouring his own blog for identifiable facts, which there were several. But I can't take credit for anything that happened on this blog. That belongs to someone else, who may or may not choose to take it at some point in the future. If he does, then I'll confirm it.

Anonymous grey enlightenment January 14, 2015 10:02 PM  

well said

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 14, 2015 10:13 PM  

Well that was anticlimactic. I wanted there to be like some sort of shootout from the Wildlife Center.

"You'll never take me alive coppers! Without my internet I am dead anyway so bring it!"

I bet his caretakers were like "Wat iz going on???"

Anonymous Idle Spectator January 14, 2015 10:40 PM  

This is how Idle imagined the finale.

This is how the finale actually happened.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 14, 2015 11:00 PM  

Markku - if you pray in the Lord's name for the ultimate happiness of your soul and of the souls of Everyone you love, you will get it. Several hundred Bible verses support this. Convenience is Irrelevant. I guess you know this, I only post this for the sake of onlookers. Since Beau has not said this on this thread, I will say it - let all those who read this, and all those who come under the name of the Ilk, pray for poor Yama and for the temporarily unfortunate ( but fortunate in their blessed unto eternity ability to love the seemingly unloveable) souls who have been assigned by God to be the brothers and neighbors of Yama, May we all together celebrate, at some future date, final victory over evil.

Anonymous Northern Troll Hunter: Nemesis January 14, 2015 11:08 PM  

NTA, would you please visit http://www.whatismyip.com and tell me the answer?

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 11:08 PM  

I don't mean "ultimate happiness of the soul" kind of prayers. I mean "please don't let that annoying customer call me today, I really don't have energy for it now. But thywillbedone injesus'smightyname thankyoulord amen" kind of prayers.

Anonymous GH January 14, 2015 11:11 PM  

I hope that someone tells Shadowdancer Duskstar/cutelildrow that Yama has been dealt with. She has been a major target of his for years now.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 11:14 PM  

Shadowdancer was quite integral in bringing Yama to justice. The chances that she doesn't already know are somewhere around zero.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 14, 2015 11:16 PM  

Marrku - sorry I did kind of misrepresent you. Or, more accurately, I did misrepresent you. But you are apparently tough enough to withstand misrepresentation, I was trying to show kindness to those who are clearly less tough than you. Hope you didn't take it personally. Nabokov once wrote of a critic that he had good intentions but his results were similar to the way somebody makes a pile of snow fall on the next guy who walks under the rooftops and raingutters he has just passed. Sorry about the snow, Beau is better at this than I am.

Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 11:20 PM  

What I mean is, I'm sure God hears even those kind of prayers, and takes them into consideration. But our primary interest tends to be convenience, and God's our spiritual growth. These objectives don't always meet...

Anonymous Jack Amok January 14, 2015 11:30 PM  

As an occasional critic of the American police, I would be remiss if I failed to note that the Marshfield police were thorough and professional throughout the course of their investigation.

A useful reminder that institutions are utlimately made up of people and people can act for good or ill. There are dysfunctional pressures in the American justice system, but that doesn't mean any particular individual, or group of them, must bend to them. We are all of us free to be better than whatever is expected of us.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 14, 2015 11:34 PM  

Markku - I think I get you. You and me are probably very different though, almost all of my prayers for convenience have been answered at, at best, the zero to 20 or 30 per cent level (and on some scales, at the zero percent level - not that I am ungrateful, but that is the truth, Convenience has rarely been my friend). My prayers for good things to happen to those I love have been better answered, though, possibly in two ranges - 60 to 70 percent for many, but zero percent for a few. Many of the zero percent crew, God rest their souls, are hopefully (blessed word) in heaven now, after the suffering that my prayers did not save them from. I am probably a lot older than you, which. I hope, explains my unpleasant strength of opinion. Anyway, once again, I am sorry for misstating what you were saying, but in my defense, this stuff is reality to me.

Anonymous rustypaladin January 14, 2015 11:40 PM  

Is the disease Andrew has Parkinson's? I've dealt with another habitual troll that had Parkinson's and am wondering if his behavior may have been caused by the disease. This does not absolve him of responsibility but might make his behavior more understandable.

Blogger JDC January 14, 2015 11:43 PM  

What I mean is, I'm sure God hears even those kind of prayers, and takes them into consideration. But our primary interest tends to be convenience, and God's our spiritual growth. These objectives don't always meet...

Another year is dawning: Dear Father, let it be,
In working or in waiting, Another year with Thee;
Another year of progress, Another year of praise,
Another year of proving Thy presence all the days.
Another year of mercies, Of faithfulness and grace;
Another year of gladness In the shining of Thy face;
Another year of leaning Upon Thy loving breast;
Another year of trusting, Of quiet, happy rest.
Another year of service, Of witness for Thy love;
Another year of training For holier work above.
Another year is dawning: Dear Father, let it be,
On earth or else in heaven, Another year for Thee.
Frances Ridley Havergal


Blogger Markku January 14, 2015 11:49 PM  

and on some scales, at the zero percent level

Thorn in the flesh, eh?

Quite pesky, aren't they, them thorns.

Anonymous Just a Thought January 14, 2015 11:51 PM  

The Lord's Prayer
…7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8"So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9"Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.…

Blogger JDC January 14, 2015 11:52 PM  

Re answered prayers...

I myself experience a small prayer answered...for my son. He has been doing gymnastics for about 8 months. He loves it, and it is a great burden on ma, as she is the one who takes him the 1 hour round trip 3x / week. He had his first meet two months ago in Novi MI. He did well, and I was extremely proud. At the end of the meet came the awards ceremony. I watched my son sink lower and lower as every boy on his team of 13 was called forward for a ribbon and/or medal (the top 6 places get awards in each event).

He left with no medals and only white "participant" ribbons. He was devastated, and my wife went immediately into comfort mode before I placed my hand on hers, indicating that quiet was called for. After about an hour, he apologized for the outburst, and said he would like to continue. We reminded him that most of the boys on his team have been doing this for 2-4 years, and that if he should continue to work hard. I prayed that night, and every night until his next meet for just one award. Pink, orange, chartreuse...just one colored ribbon!

Well, I believe the good lord answered my prayer...at the next meet he received his first medal (getting third in rings), and two red ribbons (5th place in vault and p-bars). It's amazing how one simple color can change one's outlook on life. I know I was more excited and proud than he could ever be.

God is good, we sometimes just need to pay closer attention. Sometimes God shouts, but like he did with Elijah, sometimes he whispers.

Anonymous Toby Temple January 14, 2015 11:56 PM  

Oh, and Markku, of course.

Sorry you didn't get your thrilling chase scene, bud. We've all been there.


Oh, I get it now. The thrill of the hunt. The excitement that you get from chasing your prey.

Anonymous Toby Temple January 15, 2015 12:00 AM  

I Googled Yamamanama.

Damn... DAMN!!!

That guy has some serious psychological issues.

Anonymous dc red dogs January 15, 2015 12:00 AM  

Markku - no, the thorn in the flesh was St Paul's problem. St Paul was a saint and I am a sinner, but for all my faults, I have almost always considered love - with the exception of a few (hundred or so, perhaps) drunken Super Bowl Sunday-type-deals and three or four misguided "friendships" and overwined "dates" - to be better than lust, thank God for that, and thank God for the Christian woman he has sent my way. My problem was better identified in Psalm 27:10. I am happy for you if you do not understand why I would say that, or why that is such a big problem for so many millions of us. And to the extent you do understand, thank you for your prayers for your fellow Christians

Anonymous zen0 January 15, 2015 12:03 AM  

@ Markku

I'm starting to think that we are officially over the line of end-times now, and this is now a time of a different nature than before. Like those centuries just before Jesus's incarnation, when God's word was not heard even once, and then suddenly things get crazy.

Anonymous MendoScot January 15, 2015 12:08 AM  

I don't mean "ultimate happiness of the soul" kind of prayers. I mean "please don't let that annoying customer call me today, I really don't have energy for it now. But thywillbedone injesus'smightyname thankyoulord amen" kind of prayers.

And yet how often do the give us this day our daily bread prayers prove to be the ones that most move us? And how much more will we feel it?

Anonymous MendoScot January 15, 2015 12:24 AM  

I'm busy trolling twitter, given that I'm only there to push GamerGate.

Blogger Shadowdancer Duskstar January 15, 2015 1:13 AM  

Dear Vox and the Dread Ilk,

Found out about this briefly yesterday, while still stuck at hospital; which is very, very glad news. I know only a summary of details, but what little I do know is a great, great relief for everyone here in my household. When the blood pressure medications aren't rendering me completely brainless I am likely to write about this on my own blog, but I wanted to thank Vox for the opportunity in bringing this years-long harassment to an end. You have no idea how much of a relief this feels!

For the near future though, I will concentrate on my health and my child-to-be-born. *Much* more important things to focus on, aye? ^.^

-Shadowdancer

(PS I also seem to have messed up somewhere so if this comment shows up twice, I'm sorry ~_~;;; )

Anonymous Noah B. January 15, 2015 2:12 AM  

Amazing -- seeing all of this conclude with our feeling sorry for Yama was about the last thing I expected.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 15, 2015 4:54 AM  

Noah,
I don't think it was surprising at all actually. There was pretty clear indication of there being something badly wrong with him even just from the few bits Vox put up here. The fact he is also badly physically handicapped makes the situation very clear to me. I really do feel sorry for him. I can't imagine what hell his life is. I really do hope some mercy and solace come to him.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 15, 2015 6:51 AM  

Which left wing cult did he fall in with or which discussion board scrambled his mind Kos or DU?

Anonymous T.L. Knighton January 15, 2015 7:29 AM  

Vox,

Well done. Cramps fixated on me for a while due to my friendship with Shadowdancer and my presence as Sarah Hoyt's and Larry Correia's blog. He was a petulant boil of a human being while trying to harass me, but mostly he was a plaything.

Still, I won't miss his presence in the least. I'd prefer entertaining trolls harass me, rather than Clamps. I hope he gets whatever help he needs and that his internet usage, if any, is closely monitored.

The downside is that he was the best marketing I ever had as an author. He'd blast my books, and people who already hated him would say "Oh? Then this I've GOT to read." I'll miss that, but nothing else.

Seems like a fair trade to me.

OpenID drmauser January 15, 2015 8:05 AM  

Somehow I get the feeling that this will not be the end of it. He's just too damned persistent. Pernicious even.

I was briefly curious about what his last comment might have been, and I ran across this one, which doesn't have one of his usual nics, but sure came off like him.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-pride-of-self-gelded.html#c217643670564023483

Blogger Joshua Dyal January 15, 2015 8:41 AM  

Not gonna lie, I though "cyber stalking" was a crime kinda like hate speech etc, that some countries enacted to protect some feelings. I didn't know that it was something that could get you prosecuted in 1st Amendment having America.

The first Amendment is one of the most misunderstood Constitutional concepts we have, or at least it seems from the amount of crap written about it by folks on the internet. It does not give you free sway to say whatever you want wherever you want it without suffering any consequences--socially, legally, or otherwise. It does mean that you are free to criticize the government without facing any kangaroo court. At least in theory.

Tea Party groups targeted by the IRS might feel otherwise.

Anonymous NTA January 15, 2015 9:40 AM  

However, the unnamed person who gathered the documentation on Andrew MIGHT get on your case.

(Laughs)

You might want to actually ban me before you make threats like that, even if its obviously an empty one.

Anonymous Noah B. January 15, 2015 10:07 AM  

"There was pretty clear indication of there being something badly wrong with him even just from the few bits Vox put up here."

That's a relatively recent development. I didn't get the impression that Vox and Markku were aware of any of this when the troll hunt began.

Anonymous JI January 15, 2015 10:31 AM  

JDC
I saw the prayer you posted from Havergal and it really struck a chord with me. I've printed it and now keep it next to my desk. Thank you.

I then saw your story about your son in gymnastics, the long trip to and from the gym, being junior on the team, and praying for him to get a medal and how the prayer was answered. This also struck a chord because my daughter is in gymnastics, we have to drive an hour each way to get to the gym, she was a bit behind when we finally started her, but through hard work and prayer she's done pretty well. She's received lots of bling-bling, as we call it. May your son also continue to accumulate bling-bling as, to a child, that's what it's all about.

Thanks again,
JI

Anonymous VD January 15, 2015 11:26 AM  

I was briefly curious about what his last comment might have been, and I ran across this one, which doesn't have one of his usual nics, but sure came off like him.

No, Obvious is a different troll.

Blogger Markku January 15, 2015 11:37 AM  

You might want to actually ban me before you make threats like that, even if its obviously an empty one.

It's not a threat. I genuinely don't know. It's weird how you still seem to think that we are all the same person.

Blogger Nate January 15, 2015 12:10 PM  

Glad to hear it Shadowdancer

Thanks for stopping by.... and congrats on the little one.

Anonymous Cob Nobbler January 15, 2015 3:14 PM  

FYI, Yama was posting on his blog right up to yesterday evening:

http://yamamanama.livejournal.com/302335.html

Anonymous Northern Troll Alliance January 15, 2015 6:30 PM  

UPDATE: Yama surfaced here. Several people spotted him and it's been reported.

FYI, Yama was posting on his blog right up to yesterday evening:

Yeah, it's almost as if he's blissfully unaware of anything Vox is asserting.

Anonymous VD January 15, 2015 6:43 PM  

Yeah, it's almost as if he's blissfully unaware of anything Vox is asserting.

He's not even remotely unaware. I received several emails from the police today. They spoke to his family again last night after he posted at Brad's. You quite clearly don't realize how serious this is. It's fascinating that you keep doubling-down on your delusions.

I mean, it's amazing you've been around so long and you still think I'm a) bluffing and b) dumb enough to tell such a completely transparent and easily disproven lie. That does not speak well of your social cognition.

Somehow I get the feeling that this will not be the end of it. He's just too damned persistent. Pernicious even.

I'd be surprised if he ended up behind bars. I think a mental health institution is a definite possibility. It's one thing to annoy bloggers. I doubt the police are going to be patient about his ignoring their warnings forever.

Anonymous The NTA January 15, 2015 7:29 PM  

I mean, it's amazing you've been around so long and you still think I'm [...] dumb

First, I will certainly reflect upon what it mean to me, but perhaps you should reflect upon what if means if after 3 years I still think you are dumb. Poseur first, dumb second. I know the type pretty well.

a completely transparent and easily disproven lie.

That's just the thing. It's pretty much unfalsifiable.

Also, I'm pretty bright, so what does that tell you if I still think you are dumb?

Anonymous tiredofitall January 15, 2015 7:47 PM  

"Also, I'm pretty bright, so what does that tell you if I still think you are dumb?" - The NTA

That you're delusional as well as being a liar.

Anonymous VD January 15, 2015 7:56 PM  

I will certainly reflect upon what it mean to me, but perhaps you should reflect upon what if means if after 3 years I still think you are dumb. Poseur first, dumb second.

Trolls always lie.

That's just the thing. It's pretty much unfalsifiable.

It's not even remotely unfalsifiable.

Also, I'm pretty bright, so what does that tell you if I still think you are dumb?

Your IQ is probably about 30 points lower than mine. You're a midwit of the sort who thinks that things he can't understand are stupid. I mean, it's hilarious that you think my claims are "unfalsifiable" when there is a very easy and obvious way for you to falsify or confirm them about two minutes.

But you're "pretty bright". I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Anonymous Troll January 15, 2015 8:04 PM  

Trolls always lie.

No one always lies. Or perhaps I'm not a troll.

Blogger automatthew January 15, 2015 8:31 PM  

"No one always lies. Or perhaps I'm not a troll. "

It depends. Are you a Cretan?

Anonymous kkklam January 15, 2015 8:38 PM  

NTA... call the Marshfield PD... falsify Vox's claims... post your results here. You've been challenged. The Marsfield PD's phone number is easily found on Google. Do it, pussy. Calling you out.

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2015 2:52 AM  

> Also, I'm pretty bright, so what does that tell you if I still think you are dumb?

That you're just smart enough to think you're always the smartest person in the room. Even when it's obvious to everyone else that you're not.

Anonymous Yama January 16, 2015 5:47 AM  

Ha.

Blogger Markku January 16, 2015 6:13 AM  

Don't be silly. Only we call him Yama. He's going to call himself Yamanamana (give or take a vowel and a consonant).

Anonymous a January 16, 2015 8:47 AM  

Vox, did the police forbid him from internet access in general, or from harressment/trolling/stalking, etc.?

Just asking, as I noticed that Andrew is tweeing:
https://twitter.com/pure_impure/status/555930490621145090

OpenID beardedtexan February 07, 2015 10:06 PM  

Clamps sighting on Brad Torgerson's blog if no one has notified you.

https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/sad-puppies-some-responses-to-the-fallout/#comment-7420

Blogger Joel C. Salomon February 09, 2015 5:27 PM  

Brad never banned him from his blog—neither did L. Jagi Lamplighter from her Livejournal; I’m guessing this is Christian patience being practiced—so he’s probably allowed to post there as far as the law is concerned.

Blogger Declan Finn February 10, 2015 6:20 PM  

If you're interested, Yama has posted under his new alias and decided to post on an article about the Hugos.

http://the-american-journal.com/hugo-awards-make-puppies-cry/

Blogger Sean D Sorrentino March 21, 2016 11:04 PM  

If you're still taking reports, he's posting on this blog post

http://thelibertyzone.com/2016/03/19/why-the-puppies-are-sad/

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