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Monday, January 26, 2015

The face of the Devil

The Church of England is marking a new era in its history as the Rev Libby Lane becomes the first woman to be ordained as a bishop. More than 100 members of the episcopate from England and other parts of the worldwide Anglican Church will lay hands on the 48-year-old vicar from Hale, Greater Manchester, to formally consecrate her during a service at York Minster. The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu will anoint her with oil in an ancient tradition tracing its origins to the prophets of the Old Testament.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, will also be present, alongside female bishops from churches in other parts of the world.

The consecration marks the conclusion of a decades-long wrangle over the role of women in leadership in the established Church, the last great institution of British public life to open itself to full gender equality.


Does that look like someone who is sobered by the burden of assuming spiritual leadership? Or the smirking triumph of someone who has finally managed to corrupt a once-great institution?

As the Church of England finally succumbs to its entryist invaders, we can safely predict that the church leaders will be disappointed in their expectations: "Church leaders hope it will mark a moment of reconciliation between traditionalists and reformers on the issue."

It won't. It marks the death knell of the Church of England. The "new era" that is marked is the end.

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Blogger Salt January 26, 2015 7:42 AM  

Be interesting to see the mile she takes given the inch the Church gave.

Anonymous cynical January 26, 2015 7:46 AM  

Wow, you weren't kidding either.

Anonymous zen0 January 26, 2015 7:48 AM  

Lesbian

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 26, 2015 7:49 AM  

Nope, starry eyed burping baby believers will be fine with it even tho women do not have the capacity for seminary or deep theology type leadership roles.

When is the LGBT press conf or none is planned? Well then, God will use this issue in another way.

Anonymous zen0 January 26, 2015 7:53 AM  

The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu will anoint her with oil in an ancient tradition tracing its origins to the prophets of the Old Testament.

Remember Goldman reviling Europeans for trying to place themselves in the role previously held by Jews?

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 7:58 AM  

Man, that's a hard thing to see first thing in the morning.

I would have sworn they already had women bishops. Must have been getting my sects mixed up.

No, it won't signal any reconciliation. That's the good news: it'll push the reasonable members (if any remain) out looking for a church with substance.

Blogger Rantor January 26, 2015 8:00 AM  

My understanding is they decided not to convene the Lambeth Conference this year as the traditionalist churches remain opposed to women bishops. They are not one big happy family. The Archbishop of Canterbury has decided to divide the church further.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 8:03 AM  

God in heaven....

Here's two bits, get a wharf rat to gnaw that tumor off.

Anonymous RapidOffensiveUnit January 26, 2015 8:03 AM  

Reconciliation between traditionalists and "reformers" is impossible. Only trait of the left that never changes is that they are agents of chaos. They are never satisifed with results of their revolutions, they always want more destruction of existing culture until there's nothing more to destroy.

Anonymous Soga January 26, 2015 8:06 AM  

So, the current incarnation of the church that started over women... ends over women.

Live by the woman, die by the woman.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 8:09 AM  

If she turns her head to the right in bed, she can engage in a Sapphic version of frottage.

Blogger Foster January 26, 2015 8:11 AM  

It is unsurprising that a Church which broke away from the Universal Church on account of a misunderstanding of the nature of sex and marriage should be broken in pieces because of a misunderstanding of sex and gender.

Anonymous Alexander January 26, 2015 8:12 AM  

No, this will most certainly not be the end of the Church of England.

The Iron Rule of Absurdity tells us that an institution infiltrated by liberals can not truly begin to die until it has crossed the parody horizon. Female Bishops, while absurd, (sadly) crosses no such boundaries in these times.

Mark my words - we'll have either an Indian or a Islamic "apostate" as the Archbishop of Canterbury before the sorry chapter closes.

Anonymous PA January 26, 2015 8:13 AM  

-- "Does that look like someone who is sobered by the burden of assuming spiritual leadership? Or the smirking triumph of someone who has finally managed to corrupt a once-great institution?"

The spirit of Lawrence Auster is strong in that line.

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 26, 2015 8:19 AM  

More than 100 members of the episcopate from England and other parts of the worldwide Anglican Church will lay hands on the 48-year-old vicar ...

... and then she will yell RAPE!

Anonymous Miserman January 26, 2015 8:28 AM  

The typical feminist cry is that a female bishop can do the same job as a male bishop. However, it is not about what a woman CAN do, but what she WILL do.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2015 8:33 AM  

WHOA!! trigger warning man!

I did not need to see that face mid-sip of coffee.

Anonymous Dikaios Rik January 26, 2015 8:41 AM  

Dat face. That countenance could tear down the walls of Jericho in a second.

Anonymous ConantheCimmerian January 26, 2015 8:43 AM  

zen0 beat me to it. Don't even have to ask, obviously lesbo.

Blogger sykes.1 January 26, 2015 8:49 AM  

The Catholic Church should sue to get back its cathedrals and monasteries.

Anonymous Orville January 26, 2015 8:53 AM  

"...Yes, nice to mole you... MEET you! Nice to meet your mole! Don't say mole... I said mole."

"Mole...... Mole...... MOLEY, MOLEY, MOLEY, MOLEY, MOLEY!!!"

"MOLE!! BLOODY MOLE!! We're not supposed to talk about the bloody mole, but there's a bloody mole WINKING ME IN THE FACE!!"

"I'm gonna cut it off, chop it up, and make some guacaMOLE!!"

Anonymous darrenl January 26, 2015 8:56 AM  

"The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu will anoint her with oil in an ancient tradition tracing its origins to the prophets of the Old Testament."

The Church of England broke it's apostolic link to the Church a long time ago, so this anointment is as valid as Dr. Sentamu's was.

It's lack of authority in these matters is showing.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 26, 2015 8:59 AM  

This is an example of someone who despised an organization and its values. Resented it and envied it.

And so to destroy it, tried any way possible to join it. She is not a part of it. I see this in my family church now.

People who are wise will separate from this.

How do you attack something you hate-- you join it.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 26, 2015 9:00 AM  

Typical. Never put your faith in God and transfer it to mere mortals. this "Church" is nothing more than a vehicle to allow an impotent King who couldn't sire a son a way to divorce his wife because his subjects would not allow hi to murder them anymore. Strange how quickly even a possible Great Man with a bright future can sink into iniquity when his will falters and he begins to become drunk on the temptations of the flesh. The Church of England was born in the sins of murder and adultery and will die in the terrors of ridicule and irrelevance. Still all the Christian Churches are suspect. I'm not even sure how such a thing as a Christian Church came into being. Seeing that Christ himself would give his sermons in the sunlight and with God's light in the garden of God's green Earth. How did such a thing as sour stone temples begin to take in these people?
Certainly you can say that wonders like the Sistine Chapel add to the wonder and awe of the word. However, the word of God when spoken correctly should have enough wonder and awe for the faithful don't you think? These majestic chapels may be works of art, but they draw the faithless more than the faithful. Its almost a medieval Disney Park where spiritual tourists ride the Christian Religion through hymns and solemn looking ceremonies, enjoy a few psalms and few musical numbers, pay a ticket price and then go home with a pamphlet. Maybe this heathen Church based on impotent Kings can sell Hot Dogs, popcorn balls and t-shirts saying God is great at Henry's House of Softies. That would be rather fitting...

Blogger Vincent Castrillo January 26, 2015 9:07 AM  

Welcome back to Papist land, CoE! At least those who don't simply become even less churchgoing or atheist. How does the West fight off the inevitable? It doesn't. Too weak and broken fundamentally.

The funny thing is a strong conservative pope could simply roll out the red carpet for a ton of disenfranchised non-Churchian protestantsand clean up. But of course our new SJW one will simply screw it up.

Good times!

Anonymous Joe Doakes January 26, 2015 9:07 AM  

As the Church of England re-interprets its understanding of God's Divine Commandments to the point that nobody knows what the Church believes, I recall the quip:

No man alive can say with assurance he is not Anglican.

I just wish I could recall who said it? Mark Steyn? William Buckley?

Anonymous Michael Maier January 26, 2015 9:24 AM  

Good God, Vox! Did you search for the vilest picture you could find of this bitch or what?

She looks like she just finished unhinging her jaws to swallow the babies whole.

Anonymous Crude January 26, 2015 9:25 AM  

The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu will anoint her with oil in an ancient tradition tracing its origins to the prophets of the Old Testament.

No it won't, because that tradition didn't involve women. May as well say that right now I'm re-enacting some time-honored tradition from generations of samurai in Japan, it just looks like I'm typing on a computer.

But really, let's be honest. Contra another poster, the CoE passed the point of parody a while ago. The fact that Bishop Shelby Spong wasn't a bishop of some brand new schismatic sect because his ass was landed on the street shows as much.

The West needs a new evangelism, and it needs people who aren't timid in the face of this sort of thing.

Anonymous Jeromus January 26, 2015 9:25 AM  

This is not surprising in the least. The true Church must be purged as it always has been, by the flames of tribulation and trials. Being a real follower of Christ will be harder in the days ahead. Yet we know Who wins in the end and His name is Jesus.

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 9:28 AM  

" "Church leaders hope it will mark a moment of reconciliation between traditionalists and reformers on the issue.""

I am amused by how often this comes up. Ok the liberals won... lets hope this makes the conservatives and liberals get along better.

No you retards.

Anonymous Porky January 26, 2015 9:43 AM  

This weeks sermon: "1Tim 2, And a Few Other Verses I'd Like To See Removed From the Bible"

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 9:43 AM  

Seems like Catholics have their...things together a little bit more.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 9:48 AM  

She reminds me of Gollum. Thats the look of someone who knows exactly what theyre doing. Degenerates revel in dragging everything down to ther level.

Anonymous RedBane January 26, 2015 9:53 AM  

The death knell for the CoE occurred in 1534 on the day it was instituted. King Henry, in breaking with the hierarchy establish by Christ himself, set the stage for the decline of religious practice in England. Having lived in the UK for more than ten years, I can say that the overarching sense of a-religion that permeates society there, seems quite extraordinary for a nation with such a strong religious past. The decline and practice of faith can be directly correlated with the establishment of the CoE. This is just the latest manifestation of corruption in a long list of compromises with the zeitgeist of the times. God will not be mocked.

Blogger CDM January 26, 2015 9:53 AM  

Have to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEt5dEOcW0I

Anonymous J. J. January 26, 2015 9:53 AM  

"The typical feminist cry is that a female bishop can do the same job as a male bishop. However, it is not about what a woman CAN do, but what she WILL do."

Good point, Miserman.

Not to give Satan any hints, but why do he and his minions keep pushing these liberal, ugly, feminist, lesbian women? At some point people just tire of it when it's obvious what side of the line they are on. Wouldn't it be more confusing if he pushed a "conservative bible-believing" woman.... one whose only *apparent* fault is believing that women can and should be in a place of spiritual leadership? It's easy for believers to simply ignore this woman, knowing pretty well what she will do. However, a "conservative bible believing" woman bishop would ultimately bring similar confusions into the church, but she'd drag down some actual believers with her in the meantime. This is already happening in other "conservative" Christian movements. But who cares about the Church of England... it's long since been dead.

Anonymous john grady January 26, 2015 9:54 AM  

"The funny thing is a strong conservative pope could simply roll out the red carpet for a ton of disenfranchised non-Churchian protestantsand clean up. But of course our new SJW one will simply screw it up."

Ratzinger already did that:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/8235121/Traditional_Anglicans_to_be_offered_personal_prelature_by_Pope/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2015 9:59 AM  

My guess is that as an entryist she will spend her time trying to inflict new taboos upon her flock especially upon her enemies. The "conservatives" of course will fall for this nonsense, they always do and then they will spend their energies going thru the great books and finessing the details and writing great lengthy apologetics and finally collapsing in a heap out of exhaustion from fighting the fairy chains placed upon them by a POS like this woman.

Anonymous hygate January 26, 2015 10:02 AM  

I don't know, isn't Satan supposed to be beautiful?

Anonymous Alexander January 26, 2015 10:03 AM  

Crude, I wish it were the case. But I think five years from now, we're going to look back and think how quaint it was when the CoE anointed a female 'bishop'.

The only thing more absurd (and therefore in its own way, more likely) would be for Charles to come out in solidarity with his erm... subjects and declare himself a Muslim.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 10:03 AM  

Has the Church of England ever been "alive" to begin with? Seemed very political from the start to me.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar January 26, 2015 10:05 AM  

J.J. if Satanists were smart they wouldn't be evil. I imagine that recruiting soldiers for a fight against an Omniscient Omnipotent Being would probably receive mostly idiots and lowlifes.
I would be immensely pleased if all the Churches emptied their pews by being more hip and relevant to the sick demented media culture. If these sheeple would stop going to have others tell them what to believe and think the World would be a much better place. That Old man in the Funny Hat always reminded me a lot of those slimy televangelists on television asking for money to spread God's word. No surprise it mostly ended up spreading the legs of hookers was it? Still even those slimeballs weren't homos and pedophiles. Notice the dead silence by The Holy See with the whole Gay Marriage fiasco. The Silence is deafening.

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 10:06 AM  

The funny thing is a strong conservative pope could simply roll out the red carpet for a ton of disenfranchised non-Churchian protestantsand clean up. But of course our new SJW one will simply screw it up.

Most likely. One unreported aspect of Benedict's papacy was that he was quietly, behind-the-scenes, reaching out to various separated brethren: hardcore trads like the SSPX, the Eastern churches, the Anglicans through Ordinariates, Lutherans, and so on. Real ecumenism, the kind that focuses on what we have in common and seeks unity on that without compromising on our own doctrine, while inviting them to come further if they wish.

Now we're back to photo-ops of the pope shaking hands with heathens, the less Christian the better, and being told that we need to "listen" to them more. Endless listening and appreciating their differences, while being careful never to suggest that there's anything wrong with their beliefs or anything better about ours. Sigh.

(No, Benedict wasn't perfect in that regard, but he was far better than his predecessor or successor. He got heat for criticizing Islam, for instance, whereas JPII kissed a Koran and who knows what Francis might do.)

Anonymous Porky January 26, 2015 10:07 AM  

Well, there's still one guy with a pair of balls in the CoE.

Only one, though.

Blogger Ron January 26, 2015 10:08 AM  

Does that look like someone who is sobered by the burden of assuming spiritual leadership? Or the smirking triumph of someone who has finally managed to corrupt a once-great institution?

hmmmm.. I'll go with .. number two?

Eh, I think all religions probably go through something like this. The religion starts out with a few wise creative genius types, in the beginning stages you have true believers and lunatics who latch onto them, then the normal people sign on, then it starts to become the norm in towns and cities, then it finds it's place in the scheme of other belief systems, then they start getting power, at which point you have what I call the "fat bishop syndrome" (substitute any religious type here) where it becomes more about property rights and glad handling to bring in money to the institution than about the Word of God, then the next thing you know some smirky faced mutant is babbling abomination to the masses.

Annnd, then a few disaffected true believers and lunatics get together around a few wise creative types and the whole process begins again.

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 10:10 AM  

I am amused by how often this comes up. Ok the liberals won... lets hope this makes the conservatives and liberals get along better.

Yeah, what that really means is: "We hope the conservatives will be so defeated this time that they'll shut up and stop fighting us."

Blogger Ron January 26, 2015 10:11 AM  

@Alexander

Btw, I thought about what you wrote, and I think you were right.

I'm sorry about the way I spoke to you.

Blogger John Wright January 26, 2015 10:14 AM  

"The funny thing is a strong conservative pope could simply roll out the red carpet for a ton of disenfranchised non-Churchian protestantsand clean up."

Um. Been done. The thing you are saying will never be done has already been done.

Welcome to Rome, ex-Anglicans. Glad to have you back. Even Catholics can join the Anglican Ordinariates and follow their disciplines and rules:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-says-catholics-seeking-confirmation-can-join-anglican-ordinariate/

Anonymous paradox January 26, 2015 10:15 AM  

Here's a quarter...

Blogger njartist January 26, 2015 10:18 AM  

@ Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 10:03 AM
Has the Church of England ever been "alive" to begin with? Seemed very political from the start to me.

Shhh, lest the actual Christians on this blog, while holding that thought, turn their gaze to the history of the Romanist Babylonian church and realize it applies just as well to the Roman Catholic Church of Babylon; and therefore, it is just as acidic a disqualifier to Rome as it is to the CoE.

As I wrote in a comment a couple of postings ago: What is sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.

Anonymous Porky January 26, 2015 10:18 AM  

Welcome to Rome, ex-Anglicans. Glad to have you back.

And please send us your little boys first.

Anonymous Alexander January 26, 2015 10:19 AM  

@ Ron,

No problem.

Anonymous Alexander January 26, 2015 10:22 AM  

On the other hand, I'm very impressed with Dr John Sentamu - there's a quintessential Yorkshireman if ever there was one.

Anonymous Claymore January 26, 2015 10:26 AM  

The goblins have invaded the Sacred College of Celestines.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 26, 2015 10:27 AM  

I see dermatology is not a very widespread practice in the UK.

Blogger James Dixon January 26, 2015 10:29 AM  

> Lesbian

Probably. It's been my experience that most of them are.

> I would have sworn they already had women bishops.

I think they had women priests, but not bishops.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 26, 2015 10:30 AM  

She literally looks like a witch. And she'll be getting her own pointy hat too.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian, King of Aquilonia January 26, 2015 10:31 AM  

My important comment was eaten, so I will try again.

zen0 beat me to it, but this woman is, painfully, not heterosexual.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 10:32 AM  

-Michael Maier January 26, 2015 9:24 AM

Good God, Vox! Did you search for the vilest picture you could find of this bitch or what?

She looks like she just finished unhinging her jaws to swallow the babies whole


LMAO! If there just was a British version of South Park....hehe!

And Uncle Buck FTW. RIP John Candy.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 10:40 AM  

I see dermatology is not a very widespread practice in the UK.

Well they're just now learning about this dentistry thing...

Anonymous MrHaHa January 26, 2015 10:41 AM  

"Welcome to Rome, ex-Anglicans. Glad to have you back."

Just send in your former churchian membership card and we'll promptly replace it with another.

Send your expired card to:

Pope "Don't Be Breedin'" Francis
PO Box 1
Vatican City

(NOTE: Conversion is free, please pay for shipping & handling. No CODs please)

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 10:49 AM  

-Michael Meier

I found Libby's sisters

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 10:50 AM  

Where's Max Von Sydow when you need him?

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

Blogger CarpeOro January 26, 2015 10:53 AM  

"When is the LGBT press conf or none is planned?"

Why should there be a second press conference? My guess is they already have that base covered in the first one.

Sort of underscores why I feel no inclination at present to affiliate with any specific denomination. Born into the American Lutheran Church, left it for a Mennonite branch known as the Missionary Church. The one I attended closed after damage during a storm (congregation was too small to afford repairs after a storm). Attended a larger congregation for awhile but lapsed due to 80+ hour a week schedule. Later heard from a friend attending there about the infighting and politics (which I've seen a lot of in two of the three Pentecostal congregations I've been involved in). I attend to hold communion with others and because that is where my wife is comfortable having been raised in it, but I have no interest in becoming a "member". Man being fallen, any organization he founds will contain the seeds of its undoing. On the other hand, we will keep building associations because the chaos and vacuum of anarchy isn't maintainable. Man is a social creature and will gravitate toward some sort of structure.

Anonymous Michael Maier January 26, 2015 10:54 AM  

takin' a look January 26, 2015 10:32 AM -Michael Maier January 26, 2015 9:24 AM

Good God, Vox! Did you search for the vilest picture you could find of this bitch or what?

She looks like she just finished unhinging her jaws to swallow the babies whole

LMAO! If there just was a British version of South Park....hehe!

And Uncle Buck FTW. RIP John Candy.



Did I really accidentally quote "Uncle Buck"?

Anonymous Michael Maier January 26, 2015 10:55 AM  

I mean, at least the dyke running the Episcopal church my grandfather helped found was pleasant-looking...

Blogger JartStar January 26, 2015 10:56 AM  

CarpeOro,

Church membership is important, even if it is a small, home church as otherwise if you deliberately refuse membership anywhere you make a mockery of church discipline.

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 10:57 AM  

I usually don't like to make fun of people's looks, since they don't have much choice about them, but when in Rome....

The first thing her smile made me think of was the Grinch, when he has an evil thought and his smile creeps up around his eyes.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 10:59 AM  

No, I was referring to the other posters who linked a certain scene, very hilarious. Your statement made me crack up, because it would make a perfect South Park skit

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 11:02 AM  

""Welcome to Rome, ex-Anglicans. Glad to have you back.""

Please... yes... no doubt you'll be very happy to see their young boys as well.

Blogger D. Lane January 26, 2015 11:06 AM  

I get the feeling Vox wanted to stick it to the ilk today for some undisclosed reason.

It is understandable that you would want to highlight the fall of the CoE. But psychologically scalping your readership with the attached image is completely uncalled for. That was the first thing I saw this morning, dude...

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 11:09 AM  

Please... yes... no doubt you'll be very happy to see their young boys as well.

And now we find the real reason the British elites split from Rome...

Blogger Brad Andrews January 26, 2015 11:10 AM  

Well they're just now learning about this dentistry thing...

That is because socialized medicine deals with things so quickly....

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 11:11 AM  

Certainly you can say that wonders like the Sistine Chapel add to the wonder and awe of the word. However, the word of God when spoken correctly should have enough wonder and awe for the faithful don't you think?

Why did God command the Israelites to build a lavish tabernacle and a lavish temple when a plain tent and plain building would have been more practical?

Anonymous Stilicho January 26, 2015 11:12 AM  

Is that an Adam's apple I see in that photo? They may not be making a woman a bishop after all. Unless she's one of those "women without vaginas" that caused Mt. Holyoke College to cancel The Vagina Monologues due to its innate insensitivity towards that group...

Anonymous Alexander January 26, 2015 11:13 AM  

You know, the mole is the most apt thing about this whole debacle.

True nature shines through!

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2015 11:15 AM  

I have heard it said that the reason the United States is more devout than Europe is because Europe has state supported religions and America has more of a free market approach to Christianity.

Whether or not you buy that notion, consider something.

If there was a Church of These United States, what kind of a bishop would Obama appoint?

Anonymous Soga January 26, 2015 11:15 AM  

That has got to be an Adam's Apple in the picture...

If you were a mole, my love.

Anonymous Daniel January 26, 2015 11:16 AM  

Church of England needs a little Bugs Bunny, because that Witch Hazel is clearly singing "A cup of tea...a cookie and you!"

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa January 26, 2015 11:18 AM  

I am noticing that ugly is the new beautiful. It is reminiscent of Harrison Bergeron wherein the beautiful wore masks to make them ugly lest the horrific feel bad and the strong were encumbered with sash weights, anchors and scrap iron fastened about them like vestments.

And this too, shall pass.

Anonymous Difster January 26, 2015 11:22 AM  

I think that mole is capable of producing Zyklon B.

Anonymous Wendy January 26, 2015 11:24 AM  

Actually, it's not the worst picture out there of her...

Blogger jimmy-jimbo January 26, 2015 11:27 AM  

Reconciliation is pure fantasy. Traditionalists were defeated. Reformers will not be satisfied. Either traditionalists reassert their principles by removing the new bishop or leave. Reformers must be expelled. I know nothing about The Church of England, but I think this is due to political pressure. They likely have no choice on having more inclusion.

Anonymous Steve Canyon January 26, 2015 11:29 AM  

John Cryer with a "What me worry?" grin gets elected Bishop. That'll end well

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 11:30 AM  

Mr. Joshua Sinister:

You posted in part:

"Seeing that Christ himself would give his sermons in the sunlight and with God's light in the garden of God's green Earth."

I believe (and I am no Bible scholar) that the first time Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ preached a sermon as when he was twelve in The Temple of Solomon.

HE had been lost for 3-days and St Joseph and Out Lady found Him preaching to the Elders in the Temple.

Did He not also preach in the Synagogue of His home village?

Forgive me if I appear critical of your otherwise intriguing post.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous LES January 26, 2015 11:33 AM  

U.K. Christian School to be Shut Down After Gov't Brands Students “Bigots”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/19965-u-k-christian-school-to-be-shut-down-after-gov-t-brands-students-bigots

Anonymous Stilicho January 26, 2015 11:33 AM  

Reconciliation is pure fantasy.

Meh. Just another chapter in long-running intra-catholic squabbles over property ownership and who gets to be Pope.

I spotted this gem on another thread... seems appropriate:

"Protestantism is fundamentally a shitlib enterprise."


See above.

Blogger Guitar Man January 26, 2015 11:34 AM  

Institutions may die, but the church never dies. Just another virus that the Holy Spirit left long ago. Good riddance.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 11:35 AM  

Porky the Younger:

You posted in part:

"And please send us your little boys first."

I, a great sinner, am going to die. You will also die. Further all of the perverse sexual predators will die.

God will judge us all.

Perhaps it would be more profitable to tremble at the thought of our own sins rather then mock the sins of others?

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous The Right Honorable MP from Sodomingshire January 26, 2015 11:35 AM  

I for one applaud this most magnificent of events. Lesbians in high places are a good thing if you ask me - keeps down the competition, so to speak.

Now if only we could get the Duchess of Cambridge to get knocked up by one of my more swarthy friends and then ban anyone from pointing it out, we'd be shipshape and Bristol fashion!

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 11:38 AM  

"Perhaps it would be more profitable to tremble at the thought of our own sins rather then mock the sins of others?"


God Dammit THEN and THAN are different words. Figure it the fuck out.

Anonymous Homesteader January 26, 2015 11:43 AM  

Where's my KJB- I could've sworn Revelations covered this..

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 11:47 AM  

"Revelations"

/facepalm


There is no S.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 11:48 AM  

Attention all catholics: Vox just gave you a gift you're not likely to see very often.

Enjoy it.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 11:49 AM  

The actual name of the book is "The Revelation of John the Apostle". Singular.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 11:49 AM  

B'rer Wright, furthermore, not only can Anglican clergy swim the Tiber, they can carry their wives and children on their backs as they do. And, for those who don't know, they are not the only clergy in full communion with Rome who can be married. We're really holding open every door we can, and rolling out carpets in all directions.

Someone said it, above, to the effect that there's something creaky and shallow in the CoE. That's always been true, I think. But that's not the same as Henry not having a good reason to ask for a divorce or annulment (I misremember which). One wishes the Pope had granted it, or had been able to.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 11:50 AM  

Christians mocking Catholic priests for kiddy diddling. Lel.

Isn't it said that they do it less often than school teachers?

Also, if anythng, priests diddling kids is an indictment of homosexuals, not catholics. They ought to think about repealing the priestly celibacy.

Anonymous VD January 26, 2015 11:51 AM  

Don't, TZ. I'm cracking down hard on those who keep trying to instigate a low-IQ Catholic vs Protestant war.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 11:52 AM  

For some reason this reminds me of the part in Victoria where they burn the episcopal priestess at the stake.

Anonymous LES January 26, 2015 11:55 AM  

@ Richard W Comerford

John 5:24

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

The judgement for Christians will not be for sins but will be a ceremony of rewards for good deeds.

2 Timothy 4:8. "Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing."

Anonymous Sad Christian January 26, 2015 11:55 AM  

"this "Church" is nothing more than a vehicle to allow an impotent King who couldn't sire a son a way to divorce his wife because his subjects would not allow hi to murder them anymore. Strange how quickly even a possible Great Man with a bright future can sink into iniquity when his will falters and he begins to become drunk on the temptations of the flesh. The Church of England was born in the sins of murder and adultery and will die in the terrors of ridicule and irrelevance. "

This "Church of England" had such foul origins, it's amazing it was ever taken seriously all this time.
It is nothing more than Protestantism, which is of the devil.

I sometimes wonder what the world would have been like if England had not betrayed God, and stayed Catholic. There would have been no America, that's for sure, at least as we know it.

England may have civilized much of the world, but they had also fooled the world too. They had spread their demonic heresy (i.e. the "Church of England"), and they withheld from the world the true word of God, which is the Roman Catholic faith. In doing so, they condemned countless souls to Hell forever.

What's happening now to the" Church of England" is only natural and a fitting punishment for England's defiance against the truth, all those centuries ago.

Anonymous VD January 26, 2015 11:56 AM  

A small minority of commenters have recently used any and every opportunity to take the discussion off topic by inciting Catholic/Protestant division.

That's from Dalrock. In other words, we're onto you and if I see any more vulgar attacks in this regard, they'll be spammed on site. Consider yourself warned.

Anonymous Homesteader January 26, 2015 11:57 AM  

Revelation. Noted.

Forgive me my error..

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 11:58 AM  

.John the Revelator

If you can't sang...den shut up and dance foo!

Blogger Chris Mallory January 26, 2015 11:58 AM  

"Why did God command the Israelites to build a lavish tabernacle and a lavish temple when a plain tent and plain building would have been more practical?"

Because God would dwell in that temple. After Pentecost, the Holy Spirit dwells in every believer. Our bodies are now the temple of the Holy Spirit. No need for an earthly building. The early church met in the homes of the believers. That is why we only have one priest, the Lord Jesus Christ, not a pack of pedophiles in black suits.

Oh give me a home,
Where there's no Pope of Rome
Where there's nothing but Protestants stay.
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And flute bands play The Sash every day.

No, no Pope of Rome
No chapels to sadden my eyes
No nuns and no priests
No Rosary beads
Every day is the 12th of July

Up a wee narrow close
Just by Brigton Cross
Aye it's there the place we call home
On the twelth there we join
To remember The Boyne
And to pray let's have no Pope of Rome

No, no Pope of Rome
No chapels to sadden my eyes
No nuns and no priests
No Rosary beads
Every day is the 12th of July

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 11:58 AM  

Gritting my teeth...

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 11:59 AM  

@Tommy Hass

There was a study out not long ago, cant remember where, that said the level of abuse public school teachers commit is 100 times greater than that committed by Catholic priests.

Of course, had the Catholic Church kept the homosexuals out in the first place, this wouldnt be a problem nowadays. I believe there were some at the time who warned of this.

Anonymous Homesteader January 26, 2015 12:02 PM  

All the more reason to re-read it, it would seem...

Anonymous Stilicho January 26, 2015 12:04 PM  

God Dammit THEN and THAN are different words. Figure it the fuck out.

So are "to" and "too"...physician, heal thyself

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:05 PM  

Don't, TZ. I'm cracking down hard on those who keep trying to instigate a low-IQ Catholic vs Protestant war.

Thank you.

Blogger Salt January 26, 2015 12:13 PM  

One wishes the Pope had granted it, or had been able to.

IIRC, he couldn't as the marriage was granted by Papal dispensation. It was an odd and unfortunate case for poor Henry.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:15 PM  

Of course, had the Catholic Church kept the homosexuals out in the first place, this wouldnt be a problem nowadays. I believe there were some at the time who warned of this.

When you restrict the clergy to the celibate, you're not going to get many normal men.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 12:16 PM  

-dw

I read a study years ago that had rough estimates of kiddy-fucking among the mainline religions.

Protestant clergy-75%
Jewish rabbis-50%
Muslim clergy-25%
Catholic clergy- .1%

So....my question is...why are the Catholics getting slammed so hard? I'm strictly non-denominational, (hellbound, yes I know, blah,blah,blah) but this stinks. Why the Catholics if they have such an incredibly low rate of child-raping?

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 12:18 PM  


Mr. Nate:

You posted in part:"

God Dammit THEN and THAN are different words. Figure it the fuck out."

Thank you for the correction. However I am a semi-illiterate knuckle dragger. I will probably fail again. Kindly bear with me.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:19 PM  

I read a study years ago that had rough estimates of kiddy-fucking among the mainline religions.

Three quarters of protestant clergy are raping kids?

I'm calling bullshit on this one unless you can actually produce a study.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 12:22 PM  

Mr LES:

Thank you for your reply. I am sorry. But I missed your point.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

Anonymous Bz January 26, 2015 12:23 PM  

This looks like the opening of a Midsomer Murders episode. I expect Barnaby will be alarmed if not appalled by mid-episode.

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 12:26 PM  

'So are "to" and "too"...physician, heal thyself'

and you can blow me too.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 26, 2015 12:27 PM  

Lesbian or not, she was married. To a man. And as far as 50 year old lesbians go, her looks are about as good as they get.

Anonymous jm January 26, 2015 12:27 PM  

Makes you almost want ISIS to come through.

Anonymous Bz January 26, 2015 12:28 PM  

"Please... yes... no doubt you'll be very happy to see their young boys as well."

The gays were probably secretly quite relieved that the infiltrator pederast churchmen were considered churchmen first and infiltrator pederasts last, and not the other way around.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 12:30 PM  

"When you restrict the clergy to the celibate, you're not going to get many normal men."

Bingo. Especially in this day and age.

"Protestant clergy-75%
Jewish rabbis-50%
Muslim clergy-25%
Catholic clergy- .1%

So....my question is...why are the Catholics getting slammed so hard? I'm strictly non-denominational, (hellbound, yes I know, blah,blah,blah) but this stinks. Why the Catholics if they have such an incredibly low rate of child-raping?"

Probably for 4GW reasons. It is a large organization with an elected head that is recognizable has incredible reach and great influence. No corresponding protestant church with that reach and attackability.

Further, Mainline Protestant churches in America are already ridiculously pozzed anyway. Evangelicals get the stick in other ways.

I also think that the time honored traditions of anti-clericalism and anti papism provide fertile soil for this kind of shit.

Finally, I think that the Holy See's unwillingness to move on certain issues (abortion, pill, women as priests) and it's incredible power and instrusion in the past make it a juicy target.

Anonymous Stilicho January 26, 2015 12:32 PM  

and you can blow me too.

What is it with you Greeks?

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 26, 2015 12:32 PM  

If the Catholic church hadn't forbidden these two things, divorce, and polygamy, then Henry never would have killed his wives, he would have just kept marrying new ones until he made an heir. The Catholic church is morally bankrupt, for it has tossed the Constitution of Moses out on its ear. This has caused much suffering and schism. As I tell the ladies, Jesus never condemned a man for taking a mistress and treating her like a wife.

Any who think the Law of Moses is barbaric, need only look at the consequences of following some other Law. As bad or horrible as you think it is, the alternatives always, in practice, turn out worse.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 12:33 PM  

@Josh

I think hes saying that Protestants commit 75 percent of the abuse in the Church. Which is still bullshit.

Blogger Doom January 26, 2015 12:33 PM  

I'm surprised this pope isn't getting in on some of that bishop-on-bishop action. Oh, right, you said female. Never mind.

It's not difficult to spear them when they define their position within repugnant barrels.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 12:36 PM  

"And as far as 50 year old lesbians go, her looks are about as good as they get."

She has a colorectal polyp growing on her face, for God's sake!

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 12:37 PM  

-Josh

It was years ago and I never bookmarked it sadly.

Anyways. Here is an insurance journal report stating about 260 reported cases per annum in the USA. For Catholics, it's about 6 on average.

I think it simply has to do with the Centralized hierarchy of the Church. Most other religious are more..."lax" and decentralized for lack of better terms.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 26, 2015 12:40 PM  

Who knows maybe she will promote the word of God.

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 12:41 PM  

-Tommy Hass

Well if celibacy and homosexuality are the main causes of kiddy-fucking in the Catholic Church; why are the rates so much higher in the religions the DO allow their clergy to marry?

Anonymous willneverpostagain January 26, 2015 12:44 PM  

It seems that Satan now has a mole in the Church of England's bishopric.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:44 PM  

Anyways. Here is an insurance journal report stating about 260 reported cases per annum in the USA. For Catholics, it's about 6 on average.

From your link:

Religious groups and victims’ supporters have been keenly interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950.

(2007-1950)/13,000=228.

228 /= 6

Anonymous Randy January 26, 2015 12:46 PM  

Which religion promotes kiddy-fucking? nothing vulgar about any of this! Thanks for fucking up yet another thread.

Anonymous IM2L844 January 26, 2015 12:46 PM  

Never underestimate the strategic power of incrementalism.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:47 PM  

13,000/(1950-2007). My bad.

Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies — Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co.

Together, they insure 165,495 churches and worship centers for liability against child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct, mostly Protestant congregations but a few other faiths as well. They also insure more than 5,500 religious schools, camps and other organizations.


260/171,000=0.15%

0.15% /= 75%

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 12:49 PM  

"Well if celibacy and homosexuality are the main causes of kiddy-fucking in the Catholic Church; why are the rates so much higher in the religions the DO allow their clergy to marry?"

That proposition is questionable.

Anonymous joe doakes January 26, 2015 12:49 PM  

The Catholic clergy was invaded by homosexuals in the 1970's to groom boys for gay sex, developed into The Lavender Mafia to protect homosexual clergy from complaints. It's not a celibacy problem, it's a queer problem. Kick them out.

Anonymous Miserman January 26, 2015 12:51 PM  

According to the article in Daily Mail, Rev. Libby Lane is married to a chaplain in the CoE, Rev. George Lane. I do not see her husband being her head in earthly things (at home) when she is his head in heavenly things (at church). Equality is simply a word meaning feminine authority.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 12:53 PM  

why are the rates so much higher in the religions the DO allow their clergy to marry?

As Tommy pointed out, you haven't proven this.

Anonymous BioShock Jock January 26, 2015 12:59 PM  

Wow, you ain't kiddin'. She is g-r-o-s-s, gross! I could care less about her being admitted to the perverts convention known as the clergy. But just in terms of looks with those hideous warts on her face? Nasty! Almost as nasty as that broad who wrote the gawdawful Vagina Monologues, Eve Ensler, she's a nasty ass wart face too. Get them removed, ladies! Lasers do wonders! At least then you wouldn't look as ugly as Lemmy from Motorhead!

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 1:01 PM  

Oh, and to finish the math:

there are 17,644 local Catholic parishes in the United States.

228/17,644=1.2%

So the Catholic rate of abuse is eight times higher than the protestant rate.

1.2=0.15*8.

Blogger James Dixon January 26, 2015 1:01 PM  

> I'm calling bullshit on this one unless you can actually produce a study.

Agreed. If they were all less than 1%, the figures might be believable.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli January 26, 2015 1:03 PM  

It seems that Satan now has a mole in the Church of England's bishopric.

I see what you did there.

"mole"

heheheehehe.....

mooooooooooooooole

Anonymous Anubis January 26, 2015 1:04 PM  

"Which religion promotes kiddy-fucking?"

That would be muslims since Moohammad had multiple wives under 9yo. Its important to note that US public school employees are around 1000x more likely to abuse kids and the teachers unions will fight for all their benefits even after convicted.

I am almost afraid to see the other side of her face. There is a chance that she will stand up for the indigenous British girls raped by 3rd world muslims, as she would see the muslims as competition. She may have kept the mole as a French tickler for when she is rolling her face around down there.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 26, 2015 1:09 PM  

"That would be muslims since Moohammad had multiple wives under 9yo."

No he didn't you dishonest whitehead.

Also, how is this an ENDORSEMENT of kiddy fucking?

Blogger APL January 26, 2015 1:12 PM  

"More than 100 members of the episcopate from England and other parts of the worldwide Anglican Church will lay hands on the 48-year-old vicar from Hale, "

And that's probably the most attention she has ever had, what a minger!

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 1:13 PM  

"When you restrict the clergy to the celibate, you're not going to get many normal men."

Oh, I dunno; we did reasonably well for quite a while.

Do you know _why_ celebacy? It's not about hatred of sex, or being anti-female, or anything along those lines. It's partially about moral authority, but probably more about keeping church-owned real and movable property inside the church, that, and anti-nepotism.

Blogger ajw308 January 26, 2015 1:15 PM  

Here's two bits, get a wharf rat to gnaw that tumor off.
That's not a tumor...

Anonymous takin' a look January 26, 2015 1:17 PM  

-Josh

You are correct. I haven't proved anything here. So far, I've seen reformation.com, but that's only until 2002. And this weird screed by a Cleveland businessman by the name of Sam Miller, oh vey!

Well, it seems I can't find that old study no matter what terms I google-fu. I'm dropping the issue.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 1:17 PM  

Tommy,

Ok he just had one wife under 9 Years old.

All better?

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 1:18 PM  

"IIRC, he couldn't as the marriage was granted by Papal dispensation. It was an odd and unfortunate case for poor Henry." No, Henry had a pretty good legal peg to hang his hat on, that being that the previous dispensation was ultra vires and illegal. But the key in things like this is not the law; the law just provides the peg for people to do what they're inclined to, anyway. In this case, the Pope was more or less prisoner of someone who didn't want the marriage dissolved, was probably disinclined to grant it it anyway, and no legal or canonical argument was going to change any of that.

But still, Henry had his reasons and they were not indefensible.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 1:19 PM  

"Why the Catholics if they have such an incredibly low rate of child-raping?"

Because we have an address.

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 1:23 PM  

Did I really accidentally quote "Uncle Buck"?

Nothing wrong with that. Now, if you'd quoted Titanic....

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 1:23 PM  

But still, Henry had his reasons and they were not indefensible.

He should've just asked for someone to point out where it says men couldn't have more than one wife in the Bible.

I'm honestly curious.

Anonymous Mike January 26, 2015 1:23 PM  

That wart add just the perfect touch, doesn't it?

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 1:23 PM  

"Ok he just had one wife under 9 Years old."

Sortakinda, but it's arguable whether they actually had intercourse before she was considerably more of age. 13? Well, maybe 13, but that's not that uncommon, in world historical terms.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 1:27 PM  

He should've just asked for someone to point out where it says men couldn't have more than one wife in the Bible.

Timothy, and arguably Matthew 19. Probably other places.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 1:36 PM  

Christian polygamy?

Oh boy, we're gonna need more popcorn.

Blogger rycamor January 26, 2015 1:38 PM  

Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 10:50 AM
Where's Max Von Sydow when you need him?

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!


Thread winner

Anonymous MendoScot January 26, 2015 1:39 PM  

My parents were both in the missionary field in the far East, about 70 years ago, when they met. Women outnumbered men by a very large number (6 or 7 to 1, was what my Dad would quote). Almost all the men went out married, most of the women single.

Lesbianism was rife.

These were women who could easily find a man, but they were set on having a missionary. My Mum even told me about a friend who came out from Britain with a wedding dress in her baggage - ready to go.

They met in a hill station in the Himalyas, invited by a missionary couple determined to match my Dad up with a Decent Christian Woman, given his terrible reputation as a missionary who was constantly escorting beautiful exotic non-Christian women. So they invited a missionary woman who shared his passion for horses, who brought along a couple of friends including my mother. They didn't realize that she also shared his passion for women.

Years later, they found out from her biography that her intention on the holiday was to seduce my Mum, and that when she heard of their engagement (which my Dad had printed as his obituary in the local paper), she vomited.

WIN!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 26, 2015 1:40 PM  

@ Josh

228 /= 6

At least he was close!

*chuckles*

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 1:42 PM  

It's a two part question. Can a man (never divorced) marry multiple women, if civic law allowed?

If so, does that necessarily change the field of whether a divorced man can marry a non-divorced woman?


Yes and yes.

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 1:42 PM  

I'm deleting the comments. Will distract the topic.

Blogger frigger611 January 26, 2015 1:50 PM  

I got one question -

Who bitch this is?

OpenID luagha January 26, 2015 1:52 PM  

I get the idea that this post is like a knight fork.

It simultaneously skewers a church that would allow this woman a position as a bishop while at the same time nailing the British National Health Service that can't put together the resources to fix her face.

I bet she's been on a waiting list for years.

Blogger Nate January 26, 2015 1:54 PM  

"
Timothy, and arguably Matthew 19. Probably other places."

the biblical illiteracy of the average yankee is amazing.

Anonymous Jonathan January 26, 2015 1:57 PM  

That's the face of a ten year old who just left an upper decker in the guest bathroom.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 26, 2015 2:08 PM  

Nate, even some very smart people haven't read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek. Taking the King James version at face value, together with what everyone TELLS them the Bible says, I can see how they think the Bible is against marriage.

Mr Kratman, Timothy says nothing against polygamy, nor does Matthew 19, nor any other part of the Bible. Quite often, polygamy is the moral and ethical best option. Better a polygamist patriarch than a whoremonging pimp. Or worse, the beta/omega father who sets his daughter up to become a whore. The Word says you shall not cause your daughter to become a whore.

Easy way to find out who these beta/omega fathers are; watch how they respond when you ask permission to court their daughter. If he acts uncomfortable and says "she can do whatever she wants", or "she is an adult..."

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 2:14 PM  

Easy way to find out who these beta/omega fathers are; watch how they respond when you ask permission to court their daughter. If he acts uncomfortable and says "she can do whatever she wants", or "she is an adult..."

Why would you ask permission before dating someone's daughter if both you and her are adults?

Anonymous Johnny Caustic January 26, 2015 2:21 PM  

What a strange facial expression to see on a woman. She's got what's often called "gayface"--but not lesbian gayface; her facial expression is what I'm accustomed to seeing on obviously gay men. It's a combination of dead eyes and an exaggeratedly broad smile like one would see on a small child, with the lower lip extended well down.

The set of her eyebrows adds a sinister touch. Maybe she's possessed by a gay male demon.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 2:21 PM  

2007 - 1950 = 57

57/13000 = 0.004384

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 2:24 PM  

Them ears are jug handles.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 26, 2015 2:30 PM  

@Josh I said court, not date.

Things progress so fast, it is best to make sure ahead of time that the relationship will turn into marriage after it is consummated.

These days, women are agreeing to marry me in less than 15 minutes.

I can't say I have it all figured out; what I do isn't dating or "courtship" in any conventional sense. But asking the father that question about courtship reveals to me if he feels he has any role or responsibility in his daughters choice of mate. In other words, is he a patriarch, or is he shirking his responsibility to keep her from whoredom.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 2:31 PM  

@Nate

Actually, its Catholics that are biblically illiterate. Something about sola scriptura or whatever.

@Josh

Note the irony of calling a father beta...while asking him for permission to date his daughter.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey January 26, 2015 2:31 PM  

Somewhat OT:

I have been serving as a deacon at my church for almost 10 years. Since then, we have taken care of the four "Bs" - Bereavement, Building maintenance and upkeep, Benevolence, and Blue-haired widow women. In regards to the widows, each deacon has been assigned one or two widows to take care of. Our Senior Pastor and the Chairmen of the Deacons sees the "need" to add single moms and unwed women 25yrs and up to the list. Based on how Scripture defines a widow who should be on the list, the risk it could pose to deacon marriages, and the tolerance of unwed motherhood, I am not in favor.

We have a deacon's meeting tonight to discuss the issue. This is very surprising, as we are a very conservative church. There are NO women in authority except those over other women and children who are not yet of school age. I have considered black knighting the meeting and requesting that all the single women under 30 be assigned to me. I have also resolved that this is a hill worth dying on, and they will have to kick me out SFWA-style rather than quit.

I would appreciate any prayers from the ilk. Our meeting is 7pm CST tonight.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 2:33 PM  

"the biblical illiteracy of the average yankee is amazing."

Indeed? Make your case.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 2:36 PM  

I would appreciate any prayers from the ilk. Our meeting is 7pm CST tonight.

Praying

Anonymous VD January 26, 2015 2:37 PM  

I have considered black knighting the meeting and requesting that all the single women under 30 be assigned to me. I have also resolved that this is a hill worth dying on, and they will have to kick me out SFWA-style rather than quit.

Good on you. Stand firm. It's always wise to decide that sort of thing ahead of time.

Anonymous Stilicho January 26, 2015 2:37 PM  

I would appreciate any prayers from the ilk. Our meeting is 7pm CST tonight.

Certainly.

I would suggest turning them over to the blue-hairs....

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 2:38 PM  

I understand the Biblical call to care for widows. In Acts, there was an issue with Gentile widows perhaps being (or feeling) ignored.

The early church was extremely poor. They called on members to sell and put into a communal pool so members could eat. Why? Because the new members were often ostracized from families. A widow could be double ostracized.

So, the apostles set up the early criteria for deacons. They chose men with Gentile (Greek) names. Not sure if the were Greek or even Gentiles, but it's how it is recorded.

The point is that widows had little to no resources or benevolent associations.

The single moms have an embarrassing number of resources available to them outside the church. Welfare, WIK, Food Stamps, Medicaid, food pantries, free school, Section 8 housing, charity organizations, and on and on.

The church's resources should be focused on the truly needy and the incapable.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 2:39 PM  

Mycroft, depends on whether the rules for an overseer or deacon are dispositive for all or only for them, or dispositive for them and precedential for all. As for Matthew, it says "cleave to his wife and the two shall be one flesh." All things are possible with God, of course, but the math for three becoming one flesh seems to be off, as it does for one man to be one flesh with one woman and also one flesh with another. Fir myself, other than that places permitting polygamy tend to be hellholes, I have no real moral objection to it. But theologically and mathematically, it is unclear to me that it is permissible.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 2:41 PM  

@ThirdMonkey

You got it.

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 2:44 PM  

I have also resolved that this is a hill worth dying on, and they will have to kick me out SFWA-style rather than quit.

When and if they do, call on them to find what criterion you no longer possess to be a deacon. Make them own their heresy.

I left a church years ago over the female pastor issue. I had a lengthy debate with the pastor and he pulled out every trick he could ("oh, so you think women should always have heads covered and remain absolutely silent in church?!?).

I didn't back down. I left the church and found a very strong church just miles away.

Someone said it seems far tougher to stand up for God in a church than at the bar and I agree. It's worth it and you'll never regret your decision, ThirdMonkey.

I'll pray for you now and before I leave from work.

Blogger JartStar January 26, 2015 2:45 PM  

@ThirdMonkey

I prayed for you. It makes me wonder if this is a personal issue for someone powerful in the church who has a single mom or unwed daughter.

Blogger Thordaddy January 26, 2015 2:47 PM  

Again...

Is that the face of a "woman" or a female liberationist/dyke-face?

Those that use the former to conceal the truth of the latter MUST BE Equalists/anti-Supremacists. MUST.BE.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 2:47 PM  

It makes me wonder if this is a personal issue for someone powerful in the church who has a single mom or unwed daughter.

It could also be that the single mom population at the church has grown substantially.

Anonymous Passinthough January 26, 2015 2:48 PM  

At this point the Mormans are biting their tongues and resisting the temptation to tell both the Protestants and the Catholics that neither protestantism or catholicism is the true church of Christ.

I apologize for succumbing to temptation.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 2:49 PM  

Did polygamy ever turn out well in the OT? Seems like it was nothing but trouble.

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 2:50 PM  

All things are possible with God, of course, but the math for three becoming one flesh seems to be off, as it does for one man to be one flesh with one woman and also one flesh with another.

Ok, I started the fire. I might as well put skin in the game.

It was common in the OT. Nothing came out in the NT that said it's no longer the case. There's talk about the quick-divorcing Jewish men did at the time. There's the trap the priests tried to spring on Christ with the adulteress (really, they wanted to get Him to pick from two schools of thought at the time, necessarily drawing Him into legalistic fighting among the priest class and attempting to erode His broadening base).

There's a book by Instone-Brewer. Divorce and Remarriage. He went into deep detail and did the heavy scholarly work regarding divorce. he didn't touch on polygamy, but did greatly clarify divorce. I felt he tried to straddle equalism too much, but that isn't new in the modern church.

Blogger Josh January 26, 2015 2:50 PM  

I apologize for succumbing to temptation.

Shut up lieutenant underpants.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 26, 2015 2:50 PM  

Tom Kratman, the truth is a third possibility you didn't mention. If you look at the Greek meaning of "Heis/mia", translated into English as "one", it isn't limiting deacons and bishops to one wife. It is saying they must have AT LEAST one wife. Heis/mia in Greek (and echad in Hebrew) was and is used like the article "a" or "an" in English. So read it again with that in mind; "Bishops must be husbands of a wife, and have their house in good order..." In other words, to lead the church, you must have proven your ability to lead your own household. Ergo, you must have a household. No Omega males allowed. Hen-pecked Gamma males also thereby excluded. Gives Delta's something to aspire to.

You are right that three don't become one flesh. Each marriage is between one man and one woman. But a man isn't limited to one marriage, nor is the man limited to becoming "one flesh" with only one woman. Otherwise Paul woudn't have said that if you go in to a harlot, you have become one with her. Just so, a woman is mother to each of her children, but the relationship of the children to each other is not the same as their relationship to the mother.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 2:53 PM  

Stg, I don't know if it turns out well generally, though one imagines there must have been exceptions. The best word I ever heard on it was from a Saudi Moslem: "The Quran says you can have more than one wife, provided you treat them all equally. But you're only human, so you never do. I think that actually operates as a prohibition in the guise of permission."

Blogger Owen January 26, 2015 2:54 PM  

Did polygamy ever turn out well in the OT? Seems like it was nothing but trouble.

No doubt. I think that's why it was culturally phased out.

Having only one wife isn't forbidden by God. Culturally limiting a man to one wife isn't going to anger God, because God didn't command men to marry many wives.

I think that's why Scripture clarifies the issue later, to a degree.

Blogger Bogey January 26, 2015 2:57 PM  

Glad I wasn't eating Cocoa Puffs when I saw this.

Blogger dw January 26, 2015 3:00 PM  

@Stg58

Polygamy wasnt, and isnt, the Biblical ideal for marriage, but its not sinful.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 26, 2015 3:00 PM  

When Jesus is obliterating their position on marriage, didn't he also tell them that they were allowed to divorce their wives because of the hardness of their hearts?

OpenID cailcorishev January 26, 2015 3:01 PM  

When you restrict the clergy to the celibate, you're not going to get many normal men.

Simply not true. As Tom said, it wasn't a problem for a long time. Even in the worst years of the scandals, the numbers were comparable to that of public school teachers and other adults in positions of authority who are allowed to get married.

The cause of the abuses and cover-ups was very simple, but obfuscated by pro-homo forces inside and outside the Church: in about the 1950s, seminaries stopped kicking out homosexuals as soon as they were discovered. That's all.

By the 1970s, they'd reached enough of a critical mass to start pushing straight, orthodox men out in favor of more of their own. They had a lot of help from the religious sisters who ran many of the vocations offices, because they'd been radicalized in the 1960s and were already filtering men out for being too orthodox.

Anonymous Lulabelle January 26, 2015 3:02 PM  

Sorry if someone has already noted this (I haven't scrolled through the comments yet).....but "John Sentamu". Now, there's a good old-fashioned English name.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 26, 2015 3:02 PM  

An interesting explanation. This - http://biblehub.com/greek/1520.htm - conversely, translates heis not as an indefinite article but as a cardinal number, to, wit, one. I would be interested in primary cites, from learned texts, holding differently, expressly as regards biblical interpretation. For example, one that insists that "heis kath heis," normally translated as "one by one," actually means "a by a." As for the other, sorry, it just doesn't work for me, since I cannot see how the man becomes one flesh with one, and then one with another, legitimately. I suspect, but cannot be sure, that Paul is referring as much to one with the harlot in polution. In any case, though, Matthew is referring not to Paul, of course, but to Jesus, who, I think, takes precedence.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2015 3:06 PM  

Mr. ThirdMonkey:

Of course. It is a very honorable thing that you do. I am moved.

God bless

Richard W Comerford

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