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Tuesday, January 20, 2015

The importance of rejection

esr explains why it is vital to categorically reject the premises and principles of the SJW shriekers:
Whenever I see screaming, hate-filled behavior... the important part never turns out to be whatever principles the screamer claims to be advocating. Those are just window-dressing for the bullying, the dominance games, and the rage.

You cannot ameliorate the behavior of people like that by accepting their premises and arguing within them; they’ll just pocket your concessions and attack again, seeking increasingly abject submission. In one-on-one relationships this is called “emotional abuse”, and like abusers they are all about control of you while claiming to be about anything but.

Third-wave feminism, “social justice” and “anti-racism” are rotten with this. Some of the principles, considered in isolation, would be noble; but they don’t stay noble in the minds of a rage mob.

The good news is that, like emotional abusers, they only have the power over you that you allow them. Liberation begins with recognizing the abuse for what it is. It continues by entirely rejecting their attempts at manipulation. This means rejecting their terminology, their core concepts, their framing, and their attempts to jam you into a “victim” or “oppressor” identity that denies your lived experience.

The identity-jamming part maradydd clearly gets; the most eloquent sections of her writing are those in which she (rightly) rejects feminist attempts to jam her into a victim identity. But I don’t think she quite gets how thoroughly you have to reject the rest of the SJW pitch in order not to enable their abuse.
This is the challenge of #GamerGate and Blue SF and Hacker culture and the Androsphere, to say nothing of a myriad of other singular interest groups. We are opposed to precisely the same thing, precisely the same phenomenon, sometimes even the very same individuals, and yet, because we don't share interests, we tend not to recognize that we share the same enemy. We have the numbers, and yet we fail to ally and support each other cross-interest because most gamers couldn't care less about fiction and most fiction readers are not hard core gamers.

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Anonymous Giuseppe January 20, 2015 5:32 AM  

The devil divedes and conquers, but can only do so in the absence of light.
We need to pool this information in one place. Create a repository of truth that crumbles SJW lies by exposing them in simple, clear ways, and that allows each individual to begin to learn engage with the enemy on their own terms

That is actually a good way for me to revive my online activity. Will think on it a bit.

Anonymous Difster January 20, 2015 5:58 AM  

Liberation begins with recognizing the abuse for what it is. It continues by entirely rejecting their attempts at manipulation. This means rejecting their terminology, their core concepts, their framing, and their attempts to jam you into a “victim” or “oppressor” identity that denies your lived experience.

Some of you might know of a police accountability activist by the name of Antonio Buehler. He's done some excellent work in that area. Somewhere along the line though, he turned in to an SJW. Over and over, he kept insisting that I was a bigot. Essentially, with this guy, if you don't buy in to his vision of anti-bigotry, anti-homophobia, anti-racism, anti-xenophobia, etc. you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

I was patient. I was exhaustively explanatory. Because of my respect for the other work he did, I cut him a lot of slack. Eventually, I just had to cut him out entirely. And that's what you have to do with these people; you have to cut them out like a cancer.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 20, 2015 6:05 AM  

If you let your enemy decide where the battlefield is, you are half way to losing the battle. You have the same problem if you accept the enemy's paradigm.

Not really a problem for the likes of those who gather here but it seems to be a tremendous problem for Jeb Bush. Ivy League conservatives, class identity with liberal elites. Its a major problem for every brand of conservatism across the board.

Andrew Brietbart was brilliant about this. He would go on MSNBC and tell whatever host was grilling him, that he was explicitly rejecting the host's entire point of view. Then he would argue from his own paradigm. He knew perfectly well he wasn't going to convince anyone watching. Brietbart was doing something much more important. Invading the enemy's safe zone.

Anonymous PA January 20, 2015 6:55 AM  

Related to that, it's fundamentally important to never apologize.

The ruling class makes that an easy thing to stand by your words: everyone who apologizes is destroyed.

People apologize because the pressure from SJWs that Vox describes gets to them. Secondly, they apologize because they accept the frame that in final analysis, libs are morally on the right side while dissidents are on morally uncertain ground. Thirdly, people apologize because they suddenly find themselves isolated.

On withering the SJW fury, it's like Vos notes: see it for the content-free, amoral howl that it is.

As to the second one, the moral frame: in your mind, destroy that paradigm. Remember that many Kulaks and Wreckers also accepted the murderous Bolsheviks' frame.

As to the third 'reason' to apologize, this is where the rest of us come in. When you see somebody ganged up on for telling the truth, give them an unqualified gesture of support. It will be of immense psychological value to them.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 20, 2015 7:02 AM  

Facebook is great for honing your skills. Several of the Ilk and I participated in a 4 day debate that stretched over 500 comments.

With every emotional outburst effortlessly swatted away, they grew more and more shrill. Eventually they exited the field of battle, wondering if anyone got the plates on the truck that ran them over.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 7:03 AM  

When you see somebody ganged up on for telling the truth, give them an unqualified gesture of support. It will be of immense psychological value to them.

This is very important. So much so that they make a priority of encouraging you to shun the target of their attacks. I was never inclined to submit to the pinkshirts under any circumstances, but one thing that made it very easy to stand firm was the knowledge that there were hundreds of Ilk standing firmly behind me.

In fact, it would probably be more accurate to say that the knowledge made it impossible for me to even consider backing down... not that I would have anyhow.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 20, 2015 7:06 AM  

Maybe a distinction could be made that in these left wing cults there are the timid sheep types and then the cult minders who bark and abuse them.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother January 20, 2015 7:07 AM  

The party officers or Kommisars, Mantra Man.

Blogger James Dixon January 20, 2015 7:26 AM  

> Not really a problem for the likes of those who gather here but it seems to be a tremendous problem for Jeb Bush.

What makes you think he's fighting them? He's one of them.

Anonymous Anon January 20, 2015 8:05 AM  

"It would probably be more accurate to say that the knowledge made it impossible for me to even consider backing down..."

No worries VD we got your back.

"Maybe a distinction could be made that in these left wing cults there are the timid sheep types and then the cult minders who bark and abuse them."

It can. The cult of the left has it's "enforcers".

Blogger dfordoom January 20, 2015 8:09 AM  

When you see somebody ganged up on for telling the truth, give them an unqualified gesture of support.

The main difference between leftists and conservatives is that leftists always hunt in packs. Always. Individually they might be cowards, in fact they almost certainly are, but it doesn't matter. They never have to fight individually. Conservatives have a distressing tendency to find themselves fighting as lone wolves. A lone wolf confronted by a pack of rabid leftist dogs will always be torn to pieces. Conservatives need to learn to do a much better job of watching each other's backs.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 8:12 AM  

Conservatives have a distressing tendency to find themselves fighting as lone wolves. A lone wolf confronted by a pack of rabid leftist dogs will always be torn to pieces. Conservatives need to learn to do a much better job of watching each other's backs.

That's because they are quite happy to toss those with whom they don't agree completely to the leftists. National Review being the foremost example. Or look at how many conservatives will begin with "I don't agree with everything Vox says, but...."

Do they EVER say that about a leftist with whom they don't agree on everything? No. That's just the instinctive conservative urge to disassociate from anyone who takes more heat than they do.

Anonymous Anon January 20, 2015 8:12 AM  

"Related to that, it's fundamentally important to never apologize."

I think Vox had an old post titled, "They'll never forgive you" or something to that effect. So there really is no point in apologizing to leftists.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 8:13 AM  

By the way, notice how when I stood publicly by Roosh, all their attempts to isolate him rapidly stopped. When you see someone on the right being attacked, stand by them. For your own sake, if nothing else; guess who is next?

Anonymous Anon January 20, 2015 8:22 AM  

"Facebook is great for honing your skills."

Yahoo is not a bad place either. MSM not so much as they only have 2 or at the most 3 leftist trolls and dispatching them isn't very hard.

Blogger Crude January 20, 2015 8:46 AM  

Whenever I see screaming, hate-filled behavior... the important part never turns out to be whatever principles the screamer claims to be advocating. Those are just window-dressing for the bullying, the dominance games, and the rage.

I think there's a tendency, a knee-jerk reaction of people, to try and cope with the screaming, ranting, furious person by calming them down and appeasing them, and agreeing with some of what they're saying in the hopes that they'll relax and give you an opportunity to reason with them. And yeah, with SJWs, it's not a good idea. Don't be intimidated, and don't concede as a strategy.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 8:47 AM  

Vox, how should anti-war and non-interventionists who are also cultural conservatives approach the latest battlefield in the culture wars?

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-19/american-sniper-the-official-oscar-nominee-of-the-culture-wars

Conservatives were not. Since the movie's rollout, they've generally embraced American Sniper as proof that the heart of the country wants to see heroic stories about the country's long wars.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 8:58 AM  

Vox, how should anti-war and non-interventionists who are also cultural conservatives approach the latest battlefield in the culture wars?

Side with the cultural conservatives. One battle at a time. An insistence on a perfect and holistic approach is why so many conservatives and libertarians have no allies.

Here is a hint. The subject indicates the battleground. If the subject is a movie, the battleground is not the principles of foreign intervention. It is the cultural war.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan January 20, 2015 8:59 AM  

Interesting discussion.

Speaking of not supporting one another, I'm often sort of surprised at the animosity hurled at boomers.

Sure, boomer women have done everything in their power to destroy your culture. (that's what women do)

And yes, half of the boomer men are beta male pussies.

And half the rest are below average and are a drain on the system.

So perhaps an eighth of the boomers are productive, above average, conservative Christian men.

That's quite a few million decent, productive men to throw under the bus.

Every time I read that one of your nerdy gamers wants to put my generation to sleep, I don't have a lot of sympathy for your futures.

Much easier to say, fuck off, child. Go it on your own, then.

You wonder why so many millions go retire in Florida and live on the beach. There's a reason.

Anonymous cheddarman January 20, 2015 9:04 AM  

And the SJWs have killed page 3 in the Sun, as you covered over at Alpha Game.

Blogger Ron January 20, 2015 9:07 AM  

@VD (and @Markku)

That's because they are quite happy to toss those with whom they don't agree completely to the leftists. National Review being the foremost example. Or look at how many conservatives will begin with "I don't agree with everything Vox says, but...."

Do they EVER say that about a leftist with whom they don't agree on everything? No. That's just the instinctive conservative urge to disassociate from anyone who takes more heat than they do.


It's too bad you don't have the ability to rate comments here so that someone could go back and filter through particularly good comments.

One of the problems inherent to the layout of the site, is that particularly important thread or comments get lost in the archives. That comment is one of them.

Not complaining, I don't know if anyone could even come up with an effective and useful way to implement that or one that is intuitive enough so that people could see such threads. But I am pointing out to you and Markku because maybe it will spark something useful.

Blogger Owen January 20, 2015 9:23 AM  

OT, but not OT.

Man dumped by ex makes a game out of getting rejected. He learns his biggest fear - rejection - was far scarier in abstract than reality.

Blogger JartStar January 20, 2015 9:23 AM  

An insistence on a perfect and holistic approach is why so many conservatives and libertarians have no allies.

It's been my experience that Libertarians are the worst about this and are quite happy to see social conservatives, or others who are generally on their side twist in the wind and fail. I'll go further and I've seen a stain of libertarians, even here, who are looking forward to anyone who doesn't hold to their narrow view of politics suffer in some violent or other horrific way for not holding the correct beliefs.

The copout general is, "Just pointing out that it's going to happen doesn't mean I'm making it happen or happy about it. *snicker... snort... heh heh heh".

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 9:26 AM  

Here is a hint. The subject indicates the battleground. If the subject is a movie, the battleground is not the principles of foreign intervention. It is the cultural war.

Even if Chris Kyle could be a military equivalent of Tawana Brawley?

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 9:28 AM  

It's been my experience that Libertarians are the worst about this and are quite happy to see social conservatives, or others who are generally on their side twist in the wind and fail.

I think it goes both ways. Remember David Frum's "unpatriotic conservatives" essay?

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 9:30 AM  

Even then. Lefties still stand with Tawana Brawley. "Fake but accurate". "Individual case doesn't diminish the real issue..."

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 9:31 AM  

Even then. Lefties still stand with Tawana Brawley. "Fake but accurate". "Individual case doesn't diminish the real issue..."

Note that conservatives say the same things about Kyle.

Blogger JartStar January 20, 2015 9:35 AM  

Good job Josh. You went straight to moral equivalence "it goes both ways" and "Note that conservatives say the same things" immediately. You missed my entire point, which unless you think conservatives are your enemy you stop attacking them every time they open their mouth and pointing out they are no better than liberals.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 20, 2015 9:37 AM  

And in that vein, I discovered a link to Martin van Creveld's book The Privileged Sex on another web site.

The thesis is interesting. It is also interesting that he first wrote it in German and later translated it to English.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 9:41 AM  

Speaking of not supporting one another, I'm often sort of surprised at the animosity hurled at boomers.

Wow, a Boomer attempting to make something that has nothing to do with his generation attempting to make it all about his generation. That's certainly new.

Every time I read that one of your nerdy gamers wants to put my generation to sleep, I don't have a lot of sympathy for your futures.

You can't lose what never existed in the first place.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 9:41 AM  

This is like the trayvon martin thing all over again... Zimmerman was legally correct in his actions so it was a good shoot... but he was such a douchebag asshole I hated to defend him to much.

Same thing here with Kyle.

This dude was a proven liar and all around scum bag and I heard his own platoon didn't even like him. So defending this movie is a tough pill to swallow...

but just like the whole trayvon case wasn't really about zimmerman...

this controversy isn't really about chris kyle.

Anonymous LES January 20, 2015 9:42 AM  

The handbook for SJW strategy is "After the Ball" (1989) by Marshall Kirk, if you can find a copy.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 9:43 AM  

"Note that conservatives say the same things about Kyle."

huh?

I've not heard them say that. Generally when I've criticized Kyle conservatives call me a commie liberal.

Anonymous Anubis January 20, 2015 9:46 AM  

"Even if Chris Kyle could be a military equivalent of Tawana Brawley?"

Because the lamestream media doesn't cover retractions many leftists don't know Tawana Brawley and Duke Lacrosse are hoaxes. They didn't show the liquor store robbery video until after it was out for over a week, and when they did they cut out the important parts identified as the "hands up" witnesses where all in the liquor store with him, the skinny hands up witness had a gold bracelet on during the robbery that ended up on the ground next to the cop car, didn't show Gentle Mike hitting the clerk, & didn't show GM walking away then charging back at the clerk to scare him. To top it off O-Hole's boy Holder forced sites to remove the high def version of the video because it make the baby Huey pic they showed look disingenuous.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 9:46 AM  

I've not heard them say that. Generally when I've criticized Kyle conservatives call me a commie liberal.

What I mean is that they ignore or downplay Kyle's comfortable relationship with the truth. So to them it doesn't matter if he lied about anything, because MURICA FUCK YEAH and "support the troops, we're at war."

And yes, I'm very much pro Murica, this is just one of those things about Murica that makes me roll my eyes.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 9:48 AM  

'What I mean is that they ignore or downplay Kyle's comfortable relationship with the truth."

Very few are even remotely aware of it. There may be a handful of them out there willfully ignoring it but most have honestly not heard anyone say anything bad about kyle at all and are honestly shocked by it.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 9:49 AM  

Look... its not that hard. Just remember it has nothing to do with Chris Kyle and everything to do with idiots who want to hand 'murica over to a bunch of diaper headed savages.

Anonymous RedJack January 20, 2015 9:52 AM  

The danger is that in the work place, it can and will hurt you.

Now, in my line of work that isn't a huge deal. There are not very many SJW who hang around engineers for any length of time. If you are in a management role, there is a huge push to make sure you act and believe the "correct" things. To the point where you are "encouraged" to belong to the same after work groups, live in the same neighborhood, and drive a very limited selection of cars.

I have been explicitly told, in different companies, that my "fundamentalism" (Christian beliefs) was a barrier to advancement. Used to bother me, till I asked them if they would rather me become a Norse pagan while defining what that actually is.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 20, 2015 9:52 AM  

Even if Chris Kyle could be a military equivalent of Tawana Brawley?

Slightly OT,
Saw the trailer to movie (after having written a blog post on him long ago) and I couldn't help but laugh at it. The military would never let a soldier talk to a loved one while he is on mission, but that's what the trailer would have you believe. And the biggest complaint people have is that the baby was a prop.

No, you don't have to defend Chris Kyle for them. Just don't say anything when the Left attacks him. Chris Kyle was a propagandist who had his account ghostwritten for him and sold his book based on lying about committing felony assault.

I mention this as an example. Sometimes you shouldn't agree with the Right when they are attacked by the Left. But not all the time. Remember, the Left does not operate by the same standards that we do. So they are able to attack and have people agree with them all the time. Their worldview is flexible based on whoever happens to be the most oppressed minority class. Ours is more static and solid.

Yes, the mainstream conservative Right has a huge hard-on for the military and the police. But if we go to bat with them on the other issues, we will have more a of favorable response from them when we point out the fallacies in their thinking with regards to the violence of the State.

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 9:53 AM  

Kratman once said something along the lines of, "if progressives came out against sodomizing little children, I would have to pause and at least consider the possibility that there was some hitherto unseen benefit to civilization brought about by sodomizing little children."

So on *that* metric, supporting American Sniper when it makes SJWs head for the fainting couches isn't a difficult decision.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 9:55 AM  

All I'm saying... is Chris Kyle was no Bob Lee Swagger.

Blogger dfordoom January 20, 2015 9:57 AM  

Speaking of not supporting one another, I'm often sort of surprised at the animosity hurled at boomers.

It could be agued that the real damage was done by the generation that preceded the baby boomers. That earlier generation were the ones who allowed the left to take control of the media and the education system. That process was almost complete by the mid-60s. In fact Hollywood was already solidly leftist by the late 1940s.

It was the generation before the boomers who in 1964 elected Harold Wilson in Britain and Lyndon Johnson in the US, arguably the two most catastrophic election results in the history of the anglophone world.

Many of the most enthusiastic wreckers of western society during the 60s and 70s were pre-boomers. People like Germaine Greer for instance.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 10:02 AM  

Yes, the mainstream conservative Right has a huge hard-on for the military and the police. But if we go to bat with them on the other issues, we will have more a of favorable response from them when we point out the fallacies in their thinking with regards to the violence of the State.

I'm skeptical.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

By the way, notice how when I stood publicly by Roosh, all their attempts to isolate him rapidly stopped.

Oh good. I was just thinking to myself, "You know what this world needs? More foreign girls getting banged by hairy persian guys."

This Western Civ 2.0 you are creating is gonna be awesome, VD!

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 10:06 AM  

Oh good. I was just thinking to myself, "You know what this world needs? More foreign girls getting banged by hairy persian guys."

Porky, do you agree with this statement:

Government is the enslavement of a population within a defined set of borders called a nation, where a parasitic class termed the “elite” maintains complete control and authority of the population to accumulate power and wealth. Elite groups have evolved different styles of control depending on the geography, genetics, environment, and culture contained within its borders.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 10:08 AM  

Porky...

sometimes when you have nothing to say... you should say it.

Anonymous Nathan January 20, 2015 10:11 AM  

So what are the "show us your code" moments for gamers and sf?

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 10:16 AM  

Even if Chris Kyle could be a military equivalent of Tawana Brawley?

Yes. Because Chris Kyle isn't the topic. You're going to cut and run from your allies because there MIGHT be a tangentially related flaw somewhere?

Oh good. I was just thinking to myself, "You know what this world needs? More foreign girls getting banged by hairy persian guys."

Roosh is not the problem with Western Civilization. At worst, he is a symptom of its present condition. You quite clearly don't grasp the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Besides, Porky, you observably spend far more time attacking your friends than your foes. It's in your nature. So, I wouldn't expect you to even begin to understand what we're discussing here.

No, you don't have to defend Chris Kyle for them. Just don't say anything when the Left attacks him.

They're not attacking Chris Kyle. They're attacking Clint Eastwood. They could care less about Kyle. They don't want other filmmakers following Eastwood's lead. Again, you have to pay attention to what the actual subject and battleground are.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan January 20, 2015 10:26 AM  

"Wow, a Boomer attempting to make something that has nothing to do with his generation attempting to make it all about his generation. That's certainly new. VD

Nice reframe.

My point (awkwardly made, perhaps) is that you have several millions of male X'er, conservative (or libertarian) mostly decent men fighting a battle against several tens of millions of SJW's and feminists. (and not winning)

And you have ten million or so conservative, Christian, men who have similar beliefs.

(Christ, family, freedom)

Yet, instead of being on the same team, your attitude is 'fuck off and die'.

Not sure that is an intelligent attitude in the grim battle to the death against the lefty SJW's.

But..what do I know. Perhaps you will prevail in your battle with half as many warriors, while the older half stand on the sidelines and watch. (with your knives in their backs)

Anyway, good luck in your battle. We older guys will half-heartedly contribute when we can find the time. We'd like to see you prevail...but there's that stabbing pain in our backs...back..damn...

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 10:27 AM  

Yes. Because Chris Kyle isn't the topic. You're going to cut and run from your allies because there MIGHT be a tangentially related flaw somewhere?

I'd prefer to stay neutral, but that's increasingly not an option.

They're not attacking Chris Kyle. They're attacking Clint Eastwood. They could care less about Kyle. They don't want other filmmakers following Eastwood's lead. Again, you have to pay attention to what the actual subject and battleground are.

I think it's both. The superficial level is Movie Bad because Chris Kyle Bad. The deeper level is that there's a clear market for movies and stories that will rehabilitate the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in much the same way that the action movies of the eighties rehabilitated the Vietnam war. And Hollywood doesn't like that, because Hollywood doesn't like the military or middle America.

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 10:30 AM  

Josh is right to be skeptical.

But swiftfoxmark2 misses the point: The purpose is not to support mainstream conservatives because it'll earn you points for the future: it won't. The point is to recognize that you there are benefits to being co-belligerents that you're a fool to throw away just because you'll never be true friends.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus January 20, 2015 10:31 AM  

Is it okay to punch SJWs yet?

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 10:32 AM  

"My point (awkwardly made, perhaps) is that you have several millions of male X'er, conservative (or libertarian) mostly decent men fighting a battle against several tens of millions of SJW's and feminists. (and not winning)"

Wrong.

Its 10s of millions of conservatives... versus a few million overly represented liberal extremists.

the 10s of millions of conservatives however are only just now realizing there is a fight going on. When they join en masse... it will be slaughter. Figuratively.

well... probably figuratively. its possible that it could be literal slaughter as well.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 20, 2015 10:32 AM  

So what are the "show us your code" moments for gamers and sf?

Wasn't that the game that the tranny produced? It seems to have been underwhelming.

Maybe they just want affirmative action in this as well.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 10:33 AM  

You quite clearly don't grasp the concept of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

No, VD. This is the mentality that makes people vote for John Boehner. This is the mentality that justifies the US involvement in stupid foreign wars. This is the mentality that sends millions of dollars to the governments of countries that hate our freaking guts.

Besides, Porky, you observably spend far more time attacking your friends than your foes. It's in your nature.

I don't "attack" you. I question you sometimes, and heap snark upon you, but I bear you no malice.

Faithful are the wounds of a friend, VD. If I didn't like you, and if you didn't have a firm foundation in Christ, I wouldn't bother trading iron with you.

Can you even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, civilization would be better served by holding uncompromisingly to a higher ideal?



Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 20, 2015 10:34 AM  

They're not attacking Chris Kyle. They're attacking Clint Eastwood. They could care less about Kyle. They don't want other filmmakers following Eastwood's lead. Again, you have to pay attention to what the actual subject and battleground are.

I suppose I can get behind Eastwood.

It was rather ironic to see Seth Rogan attack American Sniper. I mean, the guy just went through a huge ordeal with his own propaganda movie back in December and he's criticizing Eastwood's movie?

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 10:38 AM  

Porky, do you agree with this statement:

Meh. Clumsy.

Anonymous Stilicho January 20, 2015 10:40 AM  

Anyway, good luck in your battle. We older guys will half-heartedly contribute when we can find the time. We'd like to see you prevail...but there's that stabbing pain in our backs...back..damn...

1) No one is stabbing "good boomers" in the back. We simply despise what you admit is a super majority of your generation.
2) Despising the boomer generation as a whole is not the same as despising each and every member of that generation. NABALT..no doubt. Many of us have good parents from that generation. As a generation, they still suck deflated Patriot balls.
3) The fact that you follow he classic boomer pattern of thinking everything is about you every time boomers are mentioned around here only reinforces the boomer stereotype. If that's enough to make you stand on the sidelines, then all I can say is:

If you love self esteem greater than liberty, the tranquility of generational acclaim greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

Blogger Owen January 20, 2015 10:41 AM  

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Blogger Owen January 20, 2015 10:42 AM  

Can you even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, civilization would be better served by holding uncompromisingly to a higher ideal?

Fair enough, but how do you feel about, "The enemy of the good is the perfect."

Anonymous Stilicho January 20, 2015 10:43 AM  

Is it okay to punch SJWs yet?

Don't you have a plow that needs to be re-purposed, my dear republican farmer?

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 10:50 AM  

Meh. Clumsy.

Is that a yes?

Anonymous PA January 20, 2015 10:54 AM  

"The enemy of the good is the perfect."

That line will forever remind me of National Review editors / girlie boys telling us that we should vote for Bush. Fuck that line.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 10:56 AM  

how do you feel about, "The enemy of the good is the perfect."

A valuable rebuke for those who would reject the imperfect. But Christ does not reject the imperfect.

As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Blogger Joshua Dyal January 20, 2015 11:02 AM  

My point (awkwardly made, perhaps) is that you have several millions of male X'er, conservative (or libertarian) mostly decent men fighting a battle against several tens of millions of SJW's and feminists. (and not winning)

74% of all numbers cited on the internet are made up on the spot by the person posting them.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 11:09 AM  

74% of all numbers cited on the internet are made up on the spot by the person posting them.

It's really 79.482%, you liar...

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 11:10 AM  

hrm....

my brother, an excellent mechanic, was once tightening a nut. It was clear it was good and tight.. but he kept wrenching it.

I said, "hey man... that's good."

He said, "I know." and turned it again.

I said, "Ever heard the saying Better is the Enemy of Good."

He said, "Yep. Doesn't apply to guys who have done this as much as I have though."

And he wrenched it two more times...

and stripped it.


True Story.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 11:14 AM  

Is that a yes?

I have trouble with the first line. Submission would be a better word than enslavement. But I get his gist.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:15 AM  

Saw American Sniper last night, as Chris Kyle was trying to adjust to civilian life a counselor was going through the whole litany of the usual "guilt, self loathing" people try to project on our servicemen. To the counselor's surprise not everyone has such a high regard for self. Chris only regretted not being in the action to prevent more servicemen from being killed. To fight the evil he saw there.

Immunize yourself from looters and vandals of civilization.

Anonymous Studio Head zen0 January 20, 2015 11:19 AM  

The only relevant thing about the "American Sniper" movie is the box office numbers. Especially compared to "Selma".

That is what influences things going forward.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 11:20 AM  

I have trouble with the first line. Submission would be a better word than enslavement. But I get his gist.

Do you agree with his gist?

Blogger njartist January 20, 2015 11:21 AM  

Kyle's personality or character doesn't concern me: the man served his nation - yes, he mistook the alien government of DC for his nation - but he did a difficult job and did it well. His personality and character - if what is being said is true - would have been a major sore point if he became an officer and rose through the ranks: he didn't.

How he died concerns me: was he assassinated?

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 11:25 AM  

@Josh

No. Why?

Anonymous Adage Parsing zen0 January 20, 2015 11:25 AM  

PA January 20, 2015 10:54 AM
"The enemy of the good is the perfect."

That line will forever remind me of National Review editors / girlie boys telling us that we should vote for Bush. Fuck that line.


I thought their line was "Lesser of two evils" which is still evil (apologies to the ELoE), wheras "The enemy of the good is the perfect" is not, or something like that.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:29 AM  

The only relevant thing about the "American Sniper" movie is the box office numbers. Especially compared to "Selma".

I don't even care LBJ but I refuse to see Selma based on the lies told about LBJ.

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 11:32 AM  

Cripes.

The argument isn't to vote for the Republican Establishment: those twats aren't going to do anything remotely conservative, so putting them into power is hardly an issue of enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The issue is that when you've got a regular guy who is arguing against say, gay marriage, and he starts getting mobbed by the progs. You don't stand aside because he also supports more government control on the internet or is blue pill about divorce.

In other words, you fight the battle that's currently being fought, you don't refuse to fight because you might disagree on some future battle.

Co-belligerents, guys. It's a concept I would have thought would be understood around these parts.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:32 AM  

*I don't care for LBJ, it's early here.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 11:34 AM  

Assignment:

Reconcile these two concepts:

A) The enemy of the good is the perfect.

B) There is none that doeth good. Nay, not one.

Anonymous Will Best January 20, 2015 11:35 AM  

It has been my observation that whenever Libertarians and Conservatives stop taking the holistic approach it is usually to walk hand and hand with liberals down the path of socioeconomic destruction.

ie. open borders without the spartan government and freedom of association necessary to force immigrant compliance and assimilation

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:35 AM  

@Alexander, I think that's where I part ways with Vox, I'll vote for someone who's wrong economic matters, but right on abortion and same sex marriage.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 11:37 AM  

No. Why?

Because it sounds just like what you say about government.

And because roosh wrote it.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:37 AM  

@Will Best, most of us feel that we can at least work with the GOP and hope they see the light.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:38 AM  

..and I certainly feel that abortion is a much greater evil than immigration.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 11:41 AM  

..and I certainly feel that abortion is a much greater evil than immigration.

Please tell me how republican president George Bush, with a republican congress and a republican supreme court, ended abortion.

OpenID cailcorishev January 20, 2015 11:42 AM  

So perhaps an eighth of the boomers are productive, above average, conservative Christian men.

That's quite a few million decent, productive men to throw under the bus.


That's not a problem for those Boomers who are able to see themselves as individuals separate from the group, and avoid identifying with certain people to an unhealthy extent just because they happened to be born in the same era.

You know, if there are any that can do that.

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 11:45 AM  

This is where I agree with Josh.

I too, would vote for a Congress that was wrong on the economy but right on abortion. But my proof that they were 'right' would be abortion being outlawed.

I won't vote for a congressman that is wrong on the economy and either lying to me or ineffectual on abortion.

Blogger Bogey January 20, 2015 11:48 AM  

@Josh, George Bush signed into law a ban on partial birth abortions. Not perfect but a start.

Blogger sysadmn January 20, 2015 11:51 AM  

Well, there's another reason to reject, as The Other McCain points out: Why am I such an outspoken and uncompromising anti-feminist? Because it is always smarter in the long run to be an enemy of totalitarians than to be a friend of totalitarians. If you think you can negotiate or compromise with totalitarianism, you are doomed to learn a painful lesson. While researching this article I discovered an interesting historical statistic: Of the 16 original commissars in the Bolshevik regime, nine were executed during Stalin’s 1937-38 purge and another, Trotsky, was assassinated by one of Stalin’s agents in 1940.

Rabbits can only attack the other ineffectually; the true savagery is when they turn on each other.

Anonymous zen0 January 20, 2015 11:53 AM  

Porky January 20, 2015 11:34 AM
Assignment:

Reconcile these two concepts:

A) The enemy of the good is the perfect.
B) There is none that doeth good. Nay, not one.



Oboy, gamez! Reconcile this:

(C)Look before you leap.
(D)He who hesitates is lost.

OpenID cailcorishev January 20, 2015 11:53 AM  

They don't want other filmmakers following Eastwood's lead.

It must really confuse and bother the left that a liberal like Eastwood keeps turning out movies that please conservatives and promote anti-left values.

I don't even know what the controversy is about with this movie; I saw the promos during football games and figured I couldn't take two straight hours of that much yanking on my heart-strings. But still, the success of a movie that promotes any sort of patriotism or respect for the military, no matter how flawed, is a defeat for the left. They don't doubt that, so we shouldn't either.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 11:59 AM  

Because it sounds just like what you say about government.

No, I don't believe government is enslavement. In our case, government is actually the slave. We've just got the wrong master at the whip.

And because roosh wrote it.

I think the unabomber was right about some stuff too. I wouldn't want him in Western Civ. 2.0 though.

You guys are bringing a knife to a spiritual gun fight. You'd think the author of The War In Heaven would see this.



Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 12:03 PM  

@Zen0

That's a lot of whoosh even for you.

Blogger bob k. mando January 20, 2015 12:03 PM  

Cryan Ryan January 20, 2015 8:59 AM
Speaking of not supporting one another, I'm often sort of surprised at the animosity hurled at boomers.



the Eternal Solipsism of the Female mind.

wait, wut? Cryin Ryan is supposedly a man? oh, well, let me correct that for you.

the Eternal Solipsism of the Effeminate Mind.


Cryan Ryan January 20, 2015 8:59 AM
So perhaps an eighth of the boomers are productive, above average, conservative Christian men.



IF you are atypical of the Boomer generation
THEN you are capable of avoiding the solipsistic response and assuming that everything is about you. personally.

given that Cryin Ryan has never once managed to differentiate critiques of his cohort from critiques of himself ...

yeah.



VD January 20, 2015 10:16 AM
Besides, Porky, you observably spend far more time attacking your friends than your foes. It's in your nature.



Porky is very much like Taylor in that way.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 12:06 PM  

..and I certainly feel that abortion is a much greater evil than immigration.

A greater evil, yes. A greater danger, no.

This is the mentality that makes people vote for John Boehner. This is the mentality that justifies the US involvement in stupid foreign wars. This is the mentality that sends millions of dollars to the governments of countries that hate our freaking guts.

Irrelevant. John Boehner is not the enemy of the Democrats. He's on their side. The fact that some people misapply the principle does not negate it.

Can you even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, civilization would be better served by holding uncompromisingly to a higher ideal?

There is no need to entertain it. The statement is false. Higher ideals are one reason Western civilization is collapsing under the weight of the invasion.

Anonymous zen0 January 20, 2015 12:16 PM  

@ Porky @Zen0

That's a lot of whoosh even for you.


You think I don't recognize Romans 3 quoting Psalms14 (&53)?

You guys are bringing a knife to a spiritual gun fight.

And you keep trying to turn the discussion to your favorite subject. Very troll-worthy.

I believe we are discussing the things that are Caesar's, in this post.

You should have looked before you leapt.





Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 12:18 PM  

John Boehner is not the enemy of the Democrats. He's on their side.

No he's not. The Dems are simply the enemy of his enemy, namely the teapartiers.

This is what happens when one does not stand for a higher ideal.

Higher ideals are one reason Western civilization is collapsing under the weight of the invasion.

I don't consider egalitarianism and social justice to be a higher ideal. Do you?

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 12:28 PM  

I believe we are discussing the things that are Caesar's, in this post.

Very good, zen0. We can render Roosh unto Ceasar, then.

And GTA5.

And Kratman.

And Techno.

And ZZ Top.

Now what was the rest of that verse? Oh yeah....something about rendering unto God?

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 20, 2015 12:29 PM  

Reconcile these two concepts...

1. Be respectful of others.
2. In order to have a useful conversation with a libertarian, hit him with a stick first.

Libertarians have the cheap certainties of teenagers, the schismatic powers of Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, and the 'wah, wah, you bad overculture' of the Blacks.

Vox is trying to help you, and you'd do well to listen.

But hey, what do I know? I'm a conservative, and thus clearly a statist thug.

Anonymous Bz January 20, 2015 12:34 PM  

Ha ha, right. It reminds me of the prissy sort of libertarian who carefully and loudly pronounces a pox on both your houses whenever he criticizes the left. He's more easygoing when criticizing the right, of course. He sort of wears your colors, but is not really a friend, nor an ally.

The left are pretty good at playing the "no enemy to the left" game. Here's the playbook: strenuously and pedantically object to details ("I'm not really comfortable with that description, because"); be studiously neutral and broaden what is being castigated to encompass both sides; argue about the broader issues raised by the methods used; misunderstand and deflect what is being criticized into something harmless; confuse the issue; counterattack on another flank with gusto; have some chutzpah and advocate for the devil; change the subject; shut up rather than agreeing with your enemies; if worst comes to worst, NACALT you bigoooots.

Anonymous Stilicho January 20, 2015 12:34 PM  

And you keep trying to turn the discussion to your favorite subject. Very troll-worthy.

Dammit, what's the use of churchianity if you can't hide behind it during a political discussion?



Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 12:36 PM  

porky... do you even have a point or are you just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing?

because from here it looks like you're jerking off with a keyboard.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 1:02 PM  

porky... do you even have a point

Let me put it this way....

There's a real war going on....and the army is playing WoW in the barracks? Seeking the alliance of virtual, godless dwarves and bugbears while the true battle rages outside?

That's all. Pretty simple stuff. You don't have to agree or even respond. In fact. I'd prefer you don't.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 1:10 PM  

Porky, when absolutely no one believes you're helping... you're not helping. It's true that iron sharpens iron, but the relevant point is that a mixture of mud and urine doesn't.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 20, 2015 1:15 PM  

with your knives in their backs

Fuck boomers. The hypocrisy is blinding, deafening and nauseating.
They destroy everything in their path for their own selfish purposes, eat their children's future and then whine that they have been betrayed when they are simply ignored by those same Xers. Amazing. And no. We don't need you. For anything. And we never will.

Blogger bob k. mando January 20, 2015 1:28 PM  

Porky January 20, 2015 1:02 PM
You don't have to agree or even respond. In fact. I'd prefer you don't.



because, of course, that's how you rally people to your side, Porkstar style.

by telling them to shut up.

and Porky wonders why we think he's blind.

Blogger Nate January 20, 2015 1:45 PM  

"There's a real war going on....and the army is playing WoW in the barracks? Seeking the alliance of virtual, godless dwarves and bugbears while the true battle rages outside? "

Give it up for Tiny Tim!

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 1:47 PM  

... you're not helping.

Good God, I don't post for your benefit.

Anyhow, you've answered my question. I ask you about a higher ideal and all you can think of is egalitarianism and social justice.

It's clear where your focus lies.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 1:52 PM  

because, of course, that's how you rally people to your side, Porkstar style. by telling them to shut up.

You really think I care if basement-dwelling-frozen-burrito-eating-momma-do-my-laundry Bob K. Mando "rallies to my side"?

What a freaking ego.

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 2:00 PM  

I thought Bob ate fresh burritos and did his own laundry...

Anonymous Alexander January 20, 2015 2:02 PM  

If you don't care about rallying any of us...

... then why are you here, making with the rallying cry?

Anonymous Donn January 20, 2015 2:06 PM  

@Vox - Which higher ideals are bringing down civilization? Are you using that term sarcastically?

Anonymous Cryan Ryan January 20, 2015 2:12 PM  

"Fuck boomers. The hypocrisy is blinding, deafening and nauseating.
They destroy everything in their path for their own selfish purposes, eat their children's future ..."


This is a fairly good illustration of how it's sometimes it's hard to be on the same team.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 20, 2015 2:12 PM  

I am in absolute agreement with esr. Though, in my case, I would apply his argument to confrontations with hostile atheists.

Anonymous NateM January 20, 2015 2:26 PM  

Read this when I first woke up and thought it said "Hare-Like Behavior"

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 2:28 PM  

... then why are you here, making with the rallying cry?

How is making fun of Roosh a rallying cry?

I thought Bob ate fresh burritos and did his own laundry...

Not a chance in hell.

Blogger Danby January 20, 2015 2:29 PM  

@Cryan Ryan
Oh for God's sake, stop being a pussy.
"My feelings is hurt! I won't help you!"
I'm 55, solidly in the late Boomer cohort. I don't get mad at the children borne of my generation. They've been lied to, exploited and abused for 30 or 40 years. They've a right to be pissed. If you want to get all butthurt about it, your help probably isn't required anyway.,

I can see the battle before us. It's my duty to help correct the evils of my generation. Not to defend them or the societal destruction they have caused. Nor to get all prissy that someone may not like me because of when I was born.

If you want them to stop calling out boomers, why not stop being a jerk about it?

Blogger Josh January 20, 2015 2:42 PM  

Even then. Lefties still stand with Tawana Brawley. "Fake but accurate". "Individual case doesn't diminish the real issue..."

Note that conservatives say the same things about Kyle.


A conservative on Facebook:

Chris Kyle, at this point, is a symbol. This is why the tall tales in his book are not harmful. Jesse Ventura is a conspiracy theorist (had a whole show about it for which he made a lot of money -- I'm sure there were no tall tales in that one) and 9/11 truther so if you can't stand Chris Kyle and yet champion Jesse Ventura, then that says a lot about you.

Blogger bob k. mando January 20, 2015 3:01 PM  

Josh January 20, 2015 2:00 PM
I thought Bob ate fresh burritos and did his own laundry...



i thought burritos were fleshlights for basement dwellers. i'm supposed to eat those? cuz man, i sure don't want to eat them now.



Porky January 20, 2015 1:52 PM
What a freaking ego.



i didn't assert that you were trying to recruit ME in particular, you solipsistic twit.

otoh, you are quite clearly trying to recruit Vox ... and failing miserably. your recruiting skills are approximately coequal to your prognosticatory ones.




Porky January 20, 2015 10:33 AM
Can you [Vox] even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, civilization would be better served by holding uncompromisingly to a higher ideal?



also, anytime anyone might feel a bit queasy about DDT'ing Porky when he says something particularly stupid?

Porky January 20, 2015 10:33 AM
I don't "attack" you. I question you sometimes, and heap snark upon you ....



so much for Porky's "higher principles".

Anonymous cheddarman January 20, 2015 3:12 PM  

Porky,

Given your predisposition, maybe you should change your posting name to "porcupine."

I am a food scientist, and I just don't think of you as pork or a pork containing product, as in pork ribs slathered in sweet barbecue sauce, sweet and sour pork, etc.

Porcupine fits your posting style very well, and it comes from old french (back when the french were bad asses) meaning "pig with quills. "

Besides, male porcupines are sexual animals. They urinate on the female before mating. IMO, That is total Alpha behaviour. This would give you ultimate credibility when you criticize game, game theory, and game practitioners, in defense of your view of civilization.

Sincerely

Blogger Geoff January 20, 2015 3:39 PM  

Cheddarman, I've always thought golden showers were perverted, but if you say they are Alpha, perhaps I should reconsider.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 3:49 PM  

You really think I care if basement-dwelling-frozen-burrito-eating-momma-do-my-laundry Bob K. Mando "rallies to my side"?

We know you don't. Hence the observation of you completely missing the point of this post. You'll never win any allies because you don't know how to be one.

Anonymous VD January 20, 2015 3:51 PM  

Which higher ideals are bringing down civilization? Are you using that term sarcastically?

Open borders, fairness, equality, to name a few. No.

Blogger bob k. mando January 20, 2015 4:35 PM  

VD January 20, 2015 3:49 PM
We know you don't. Hence the observation of you completely missing the point of this post. You'll never win any allies because you don't know how to be one.



good point. "allies" implies a relationship that is at least nominally equitable.

Porky doesn't want that.

Porky wants everyone to say, "Yessa, massa sir." which is, once again, just like Taylor.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 20, 2015 4:37 PM  

An Army psychiatrist told me he used to do sniper screening. Said he was basically looking for sociopaths with good impulse control.

It was a very brief, somewhat casual conversation, not much detail, but from reading about Kyle and other info about snipers, seems to fit.

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 4:44 PM  

You'll never win any allies because you don't know how to be one.

You do know this is the internet, right? Not real life?

On the internet you can trash the police, call them gangsters, say that NWA was right about them and generally mouth off about them.

But when you call them in real life, they still can be your friend.

That's kind of my point. Internet wars, twitter campaigns, social media bugaboos, Sci-Fi awards banquets..... although potentially indicative of the spiritual state of the world, they are not where the battle is actually taking place.


Blogger JCclimber January 20, 2015 4:50 PM  

Geoff,
you also think a blow job is perverted as well? After all, the female has to get into a posture of submission and it certainly isn't going to result in a pregnancy, so it must be perverted. You do know that many still hold that view, right?

I think Porky actually IS a porcupine, and we've just been mentally assigning him to the wrong animal image. The humorous part is imagining him mating with a female porcupine, who is as bristly and contentious as he is....

Anonymous patrick kelly January 20, 2015 5:02 PM  

Porky: "although potentially indicative of the spiritual state of the world, they are not where the battle is actually taking place. "

This is where your lil' porcine, neo-gnostic head is just plain wrong.

People in the flesh, imperfect, sinning people carry the treasure of The Gospel and Salvation in them,(earthen vessels ring a bell?) and they have to live in this fallen world and interact with other people.

You can retreat to your prayer closet and scripture reciting all you want,but if you never take part in fleshly, messing, ugly battle in the world, among other fleshy, dirty people, you are not engaging in any meaningful spiritual battle at all...except in you solipsistic lil' mind....

And today a big part of that battlefield is on blogs, twitter, FB etc. That's where the saved and lost both engage a significant part of their lives. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.

To do this does not diminish or forego any other battlefield.

Now make haste and find some imperfection on my analogy to nit pick and harp on....there's also probably a typo or grammar mistake you can gleefully highlight somewhere.....

/rant


Anonymous Daniel January 20, 2015 5:52 PM  

This is a fairly good illustration of how it's sometimes it's hard to be on the same team.

Boomers are leftists, Cryin' Ryan, wholly incapable of being on the Right team.

Stop identifying yourself with them if you want to be allied with Right. I know old people who are not Boomers. They may have been born during the Baby Boom, but they don't identify with the generational cancer of their peers.

Why do you?

Blogger Mekadave January 20, 2015 6:13 PM  

Heh....

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/eastwood-to-michael-moore-in-2005-if-you-ever-show-up-at-my-front-door-with-a-camera-ill-kill-you/article/2506535

Blogger Geoff January 20, 2015 6:32 PM  

JC,

Haha, now we're going really OT (sorry VD). All I know is that I don't feel that dominant, or in control, when receiving a BJ. In fact, I feel quite vulnerable.

Especially when she has teeth.

Anonymous Donn January 20, 2015 8:32 PM  

Vox thanks for the answer. The SJW have twisted true higher ideals to suit their purposes so how do we reclaim them? So if we are to abandon and or change our higher principles what should we replace them with?

Anonymous Porky January 20, 2015 9:22 PM  

You can retreat to your prayer closet and scripture reciting all you want,but if you never take part in fleshly, messing, ugly battle in the world, among other fleshy, dirty people, you are not engaging in any meaningful spiritual battle at all.
And today a big part of that battlefield is on blogs, twitter, FB etc.


I know. That's why I go to porn sites to minister to the lost. I keep telling them how dirty and fleshy they look on their webcams but so far no conversions.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee January 20, 2015 10:06 PM  

I think esr's message was a fairly simple one: don't be a rabbit. It's simple but not necessarily easy.

I have learned a few things in my life, and one is that sometime you need help, allies if you will, to get stuff done. But you need not be afraid to go it alone when it comes to your conscience.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 20, 2015 11:32 PM  

Roosh capitalizes on the notion that modern women are essentially scoundrels and therefore today’s “men” have carte blanche to take advantage of their alleged fall from grace. Hey, it’s NOT their fault women are sperm receptacles, so PUA’s have no obligation to, for a lack of a better term, “save” them. In fact, Roosh states to give them what they want. How convenient for Roosh and company to blame how traditional male-female roles have been subverted by liberals and SJW’s without consequences. What “advice” do they offer? Pump and dump. Marriage is for suckers.

The anti-Christian manosphere and feminism are the SAME ENTITY. Anyone who expresses otherwise is merely covering up for the PUA’s inherent predatory, hedonistic nature. He is an ENEMY of the Christian faith.

Blogger Tupla-J January 21, 2015 2:00 AM  

Porky,
Good God, I don't post for your benefit.

That much is clear. The question here is, for whose benefit do you think you're posting?

Anonymous Discard January 21, 2015 3:46 AM  

Daniel: I have never identified myself as a "Boomer". I literally believe that I have never once said "we Boomers" or any such thing. Nor, for that matter, have I ever spoken of "Gen X" or of "Millenials". I was born between 1945 and 1965, and had this name hung on me by others. You, and others, come along and say "Boomers are leftists" or some such whiny foolishness. If you don't like your daddy, go piss on him, not everybody who happens to be his age.
…..Have I just erred by opposing rhetoric with dialectic?

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa January 21, 2015 7:03 AM  

"An Army psychiatrist told me he used to do sniper screening. Said he was basically looking for sociopaths with good impulse control.

It was a very brief, somewhat casual conversation, not much detail, but from reading about Kyle and other info about snipers, seems to fit."

Total BS.

I was a sniper, this is how it works-

You finish your Infantry basic and AIT and are assigned to a repl unit. If you wind up in a Combat Support Company and if they plug you into a Recon platoon and if you are the best shot in the platoon you eventually get some sniper training and Bang! you're a sniper.

There are no psychiatrists or tests involved, only a slot to fill and a warm body with a skill set to fill it.

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 21, 2015 9:38 AM  

You're not paying attention. Most of us who use Boomer as a swear word, rather like our fathers. I do.

=====================

I would put the PUA as Assyrians, and hopefully a neccessary correction.

Anonymous Porky January 21, 2015 9:53 AM  

The question here is, for whose benefit do you think you're posting?

Mine.

You'll never win any allies because you don't know how to be one.

That's a fine thing to say to a #gamergate supporter.

Anonymous Porky January 21, 2015 9:55 AM  

He is an ENEMY of the Christian faith.

Yup.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 21, 2015 9:57 AM  

I will happily defend and do for those I know.. However, no one has my back with the henhouse and local nonsense. I dont talk about it, I dont care for distractions. White knighting or black knighting or cruelty arts wont help. Life is Life.

Aww, Discard, hey, I dont dislike all boomers. It is a generational rift from the boomin' and gen x. Happens all throughout history right? So to my boomers reading, love ya, LP

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 21, 2015 9:58 AM  

Salt and Gen Kong might be boomers, love them!

Blogger LP 999/Eliza January 21, 2015 9:59 AM  

I've mentioned gamer gate to reps at game stop. I've been to 3 around the area and only 2 locations heard about it and had the right response but they opt to say nothing to corporate as corporate KNOWS.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 21, 2015 10:50 AM  

@ Old Man....:"There are no psychiatrists or tests involved, only a slot to fill and a warm body with a skill set to fill it."

It's possible he was lying, or trolling me, but I doubt it. He also has been retired for a while, commissioned during Vietnam. Maybe things have changed, maybe some units care about some things more than others.

Unlike you, I know him in person, so I'll give my friend the benefit of a doubt and chalk it up to different experiences or context. It was a very brief casual conversation,without much details, and I could be mis-remembering some of it.

Blogger Tupla-J January 21, 2015 11:12 AM  

Me:
The question here is, for whose benefit do you think you're posting?

Porky: Mine.

In that case Nate was entirely correct to identify your antics as jacking off with your keyboard. Having read lots of your posts I have a hard time disagreeing with that conclusion.

Anonymous Discard January 22, 2015 5:32 AM  

LP999/Eliza: I know about generational rifts, though I don't think that they've been so pronounced throughout history. I once thought that my old man was a clueless old fart too. But you grow out of it.

Anonymous Porky January 22, 2015 10:08 AM  

In that case Nate was entirely correct to identify your antics as jacking off with your keyboard. Having read lots of your posts I have a hard time disagreeing with that conclusion.

And yet....I'm 100% right.

And this bothers you.

And I understand why.

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