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Wednesday, January 14, 2015

The troubling math

Percentages are not the only problem. Quantities matter too. Ian Tuttle points out the troubling math on National Review:
Demographics may not be the whole of destiny, but they are certainly a good part, and across the Atlantic, the United States seems increasingly to be turning toward Western Europe’s most undesirable demographic trends.

In 1992, 41 percent of new permanent residents in the United States — green-card holders — hailed from the Asia-Pacific region, the Middle East and North Africa, or sub-Saharan Africa, according to the Pew Research Center. A decade later, the percentage was 53 percent. Over that same period, predictably, the number of Muslim immigrants coming to the United States annually has doubled, from 50,000 to approximately 100,000 each year. In 1992, only 5 percent of Muslim immigrants came from sub-Saharan Africa; 20 years later, it was 16 percent. Of the 2.75 million Muslims in the United States in 2011, 1.7 million were legal permanent residents.

There is no official estimate of Muslims in the U.S.; religious affiliation is not tracked by the Census Bureau. However, Pew’s estimate of 2.75 million seems to be on the lower end. The Council on American-Islamic Relations says there are approximately 7 million Muslims in the country.
Now consider the following information about France:
According to the French Government, which does not have the right to ask direct questions about religion and uses a criterion of people’s geographic origin as a basis for calculation, there were between 5 to 6 million Muslims in metropolitan France in 2010. The government counted all those people in France who migrated from countries with a dominant Muslim population, or whose parents did. Only 33% of those 5 to 6 million people (2 million) said they were practicing believers. That figure is the same as that obtained by the INED/INSEE study in October 2010.... A Pew Forum study, published in January 2011, estimated 4.7 million Muslims in France in 2010 (and forecasted 6.9 million in 2030).
Translation: there may already be more Muslims in the USA than in France. (NB: metropolitan does not mean urban France, but continental France.) And in percentage terms, if one uses the maximum reported numbers on both sides, the Muslim population is 2.1 percent of the US population, versus 7.6 percent for Europe. However, the European total includes Albania, Russia, Kosovo, and Bosnia; which are either Islamic nations or contain vast semi-autonomous Islamic enclaves. Once those are removed, as Chechnya is no more properly part of Europe than Turkey or Saudi Arabia, the Islamic percentage of the European population falls to 3.9 percent. Note that about half of all Muslims resident in "Europe" are in Russia.

As one of my friends from Minnesota noted, she sees considerably more Muslims in Minneapolis than she saw in Rome last summer. I was in a moderately sized Italian city last week and I saw precisely zero. The reason for the false impression is twofold. First, Europeans keep Muslims in what are essentially Islamic ghettos in the major cities, the notorious no-go zones. Second, with the exception of the British, the Europeans are much more openly nationalistic and few consider Muslim residents to be of their nation.

But percentages are not magic. There is no precise quantity of individuals required to produce two, or ten, or one hundred, who are willing to engage in direct action. If the nation of Europe enjoy the advantage of their greater sense of nationalism and parliamentary systems that permit the rapid growth of non-mainstream parties, the American advantages are its stronger Christianity and its heavily armed population. But on neither side of the Atlantic should the pro-civilization forces assume that their eventual victory over the invasion is guaranteed. All civilizations fall in time, and the fact that the first two waves of Islamic expansion were turned back does not necessarily mean the third will be.

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Anonymous Difster January 14, 2015 5:32 AM  

Guns make the difference. The Muslim population in the US seems far less likely to engage as was done in Paris because they know the guns would come out. Americans just wouldn't trust their swarthy foreign neighbors after an assault like that.

American businesses would start finding reasons to fire their Muslim employees for fear of violence.

In short, a Muslim uprising in this country would result in a lot of Muslims being killed.


Anonymous Atom January 14, 2015 5:57 AM  

The number of skinnies I saw in in Minot last summer was just one. He was about 18, spoke very poor english, and his understanding of american culture even worse--and he was born in Twin Cities! He spent most days hanging around soup kitchens or in local parks. It seemed like he was waiting for an oilpatch paycheck to just fall out of the sky. I met him in May and he was still there in September with no change.

Anonymous Salt January 14, 2015 6:19 AM  

'It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom,' Mayor Aboutaleb told Dutch current affairs program Nieuwsuur (Newshour).

'But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave.

'If you do not like it here because some humorists you don't like are making a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off.

This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at'.


Seems the Mayor of Rotterdam understands. Vanish, indeed.

Blogger JP January 14, 2015 6:19 AM  

Either Geert Wilders or Andrew Berwick made the case that Islam always follows the same trend when they reach a certain percentage of the population. It's something along the lines of 1%: meek and friendly, 2%:demanding special rights, 3% Sharia in their own neighbourhoods, etc.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 6:33 AM  

What about blacks?

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 6:34 AM  

"Seems the Mayor of Rotterdam understands. Vanish, indeed."

He also sympathizes with "well meaning Muslims". Quite unlike ya fellers, heh heh.

Anonymous Mike M. January 14, 2015 6:35 AM  

If nothing else, we need to learn from the European experience. Don't let them in. The Islamic world, particularly the Arabs, has too hard of a time adjusting.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 6:37 AM  

I love European scum, that send you to prison for denying the holocaust, taking about freedom.

What a bunch of retards.

Hey, why don't you complain about Britain jailing it's own citizens for calling a jew MP a "jew"? Or for quoting Churchill?

I can hardly believe this shit.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 6:43 AM  

"If nothing else, we need to learn from the European experience. Don't let them in. The Islamic world, particularly the Arabs, has too hard of a time adjusting."

They are wired differently. They follow a different religion from the main population, which makes that population The Other. (not a good position to be with these tribalists)
the fact that Muhammad was nowhere near as mellow as Jesus is just icing on the cake.

I have a wish, that would probably prevent most unpleasantness, but it goes against brainaddled hotheads on the right and sufferers of cerebral Scalzi on the left alike.

When you guys talk about "peaceful" repatriations, you ignore the butthurt that will emerge in the century that follows. You know how the Holocaust has led to a splendid weapon for the Jews? That will happen if you don't do the de-Islamization selectively and surreptitiously.

Death to the malignant tumors.

Anonymous zen0 January 14, 2015 6:51 AM  

Here is a Christian site that lays out the 5 phases Spread of Islam

In the section titled Stop Islam, they point out that the spread of Islam is made possible by the retreat of Christianity.

Secular societies are helpless to stop the penetration of Islam. They in fact facilitate it.

In Canada, the Muslim population is about 2.8%, but Sharia law is present at the municipal level. Some schools allow Muslim worship inside the institution, while not allowing Christian worship.

I don't know if there are any Christian protests about this. I doubt it. Kumbaya, man.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 7:09 AM  

Have you guys forgotten all about "Divide et Impera"?

Why do you keep referring to your enemy as "Islam"? I'm not offended or anything, I just think it's unwise. Almost like the Tsarnaev brothers bombing the BOSTON MARATHON. (Boston. Massachusetts. MARATHON RUNNERS. Could there be a less "let's kill turrists" type of person?)

These people are so retarded. They attack France, FRANCE, a place that recognized Palestine, and refused to go to Iraq during a time when it took real balls to do so.

Tsarnaevs bombed the BOSTON MARATHON in 2013, when even the most brain dead zionist evangelical had doubts if attacking Mohammedans was worth it.

If I were to bomb America, I sure as hell wouldn't bomb Boston. Better to go after deep red places who will hate you regardless where you attack. But if you follow that up with "we only attacked Texas/'bama/whatever because we realize not all Americans hate us, SWPL faggots are not our enemy", do you think the response will be a) more unified, b) less unified, or c) the same? If you picked b) you are correct. Jews and Scalzis hate their own people enough to watch them get torched alive by vibrants. I think their care-o-meter will be no stronger if jihadis do it. Hell, they make excuses for them RIGHT NOW.

I remember one of you guys (or was it /pol/?) saying that attacking muslims is dumb because "then they'll hate us". Somebody else replied: "They hate us already, numbnuts." Can't disagree, lol.

Bottomline: do it like the jews do it with whites (feminism) and split your enemy.

Anonymous BB January 14, 2015 7:09 AM  

@ Tommy Hass

This is going to happen no matter what. Either Muslims gloat over their victories or "ineffectual" Christian resistances (1453, "Lepanto was only a hair pruning"), or they bitch about the times they got their teeth kicked in in return ("Evil crusaders").

That said, I too am doing my part to nudge the coming reaction towards a saner direction than the fascist one our traitorous elites seem hellbent on making inevitable.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 14, 2015 7:26 AM  

Tommy Hass: "That will happen if you don't do the de-Islamization selectively and surreptitiously."

Surreptitiously, while organized Jewry has the mass media bullhorn?

This isn't going to be done nicely, with respect for the practicalities of white survival on one side and face-saving for mass immigrants who just didn't work out on the other side. Because, as you pointed out, a bloody mess will be a Jewish propaganda club to beat whites with. So they will be doing their best to make a peaceful disengagement impossible. And they have a lot of power, and talent in fostering ugly ethnic conflict.

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Anonymous BB January 14, 2015 7:37 AM  

One thing about Pegida for example, which up until now I couldn't quite put my finger on:
at first I thought the whole thing somewhat of a misnomer (and have stated so here as well). Isn't the actual issue a question of ethnicity/demographics? Hell, most Germans probably aren't too hot about Hinduism or the cult of Baal either, but since we're not being swamped by tribes following these faiths there is no animosity.

This entire "Judaeo-Christian alliance against the ebil Muslims" angle smacks suspiciously of American neo-con fare to me. And perhaps there is something to this being a sort of controlled opposition. The elites get to look good and busy, what with attending rallies and making grandiose points on "defending freedom"; the leftists in the media are probably still hyperventilating because their uppity Muslim foot troops attacking them instead of European conservatives like they're supposed to. White proles get to vent their anger about being stabbed from all sides in a trans-atlantically useful way. And everyone still gets to look nice and anti-racist because we're just talking about "values" or somesuch.

Again, these are still just suspicions on my part. I know that the eventual backlash might not be the one I want, but despite these reservations believe current events to be ultimately positive and neccessary first cracks in the narrative. Time will tell.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 7:38 AM  

The point being missed here is concentration. While there are lots of ragheads in the US... there are very very few places where those ragheads are not a tiny minority. They are not concentrated in certain areas the way they are in other nations where they have been a problem.

Deerborn Michigan exists.... but it is by no means a representative example of anything.

I do agree that the solution to the problem however, is going to be ugly. I believe they will concentrate over time and then assert control over those areas... and while some states will tolerate it... others will not.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 7:40 AM  

"Why do you keep referring to your enemy as "Islam"? I'm not offended or anything, I just think it's unwise."

Because islam attacks everyone.

Itself included.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 7:41 AM  

Also... Tommy... "Jews are bahd... mmmkay?" is not an effective defense of islam.

Its perfectly logically acceptable for both jews and muslims to be assholes.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 14, 2015 7:49 AM  

BB: "This entire "Judaeo-Christian alliance against the ebil Muslims" angle smacks suspiciously of American neo-con fare to me."

And me too. I share your concerns. But the Muslims get a say too, and they are choosing conflict.

Anonymous Salt January 14, 2015 7:50 AM  

He also sympathizes with "well meaning Muslims". Quite unlike ya fellers, heh heh.

There is a percentage that will assimilate.

Blogger Nate January 14, 2015 8:11 AM  

"There is a percentage that will assimilate. "

yes. very.. very... tiny percentage.

Anonymous PA January 14, 2015 8:28 AM  

Regarding previous waves of invasion, Steve Sailer writes the following in his latest Takimag column:

"But that’s hardly inevitable. It’s not 732 A.D. and the incoming Muslims don’t represent a more technologically advanced civilization that will be difficult to stop"

Anonymous Porky January 14, 2015 8:33 AM  

I've talked to a number of French friends over the last week and the vibe is this: "We despise the muslims, but we do not want to expel them because that is a horrible thing to do. We want to learn to live together, even though they are really awful people and we don't like them."

It's cognitive dissonance on a grand scale.

Blogger pyrrhus January 14, 2015 8:39 AM  

Some say there are 7 million in France.....

Blogger sykes.1 January 14, 2015 9:00 AM  

Minneapolis, like Columbus, Ohio, is a destination for Somalis, who for some reason are being directed there. So, it is not surprising if one sees more Muslims in Minneapolis than Rome.

It should also be noted that the Somalis do not get along with native American blacks and like them self-segregate. There is a seldom reported low level war going on between the two groups.

Anonymous VD January 14, 2015 9:07 AM  

I've talked to a number of French friends over the last week and the vibe is this: "We despise the muslims, but we do not want to expel them because that is a horrible thing to do. We want to learn to live together, even though they are really awful people and we don't like them."

Talk to the teenagers. I am in contact with a lot of them at the soccer club. They don't have any problem with the idea of deporting them all.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 14, 2015 9:09 AM  

Tommy,
By well meaning we intend secular Muslims who pay taxes (white man's jinzya) follow the laws of the land they are in and don't make a spectacle. You know, the ones who SUBMIT to Christian rules. Heh heh

Anonymous Alexander January 14, 2015 9:14 AM  

Ah, the 'good Muslim' card.

Rapidly approaching the point where nobody cares. It is the white man's burden to let large number of towelheads into our countries and then sift through who is good and who is not, and get blown to pieces while we try and sort out the paperwork.

The good Muslims can either root out their own snakes before they become a danger to the host population, they can fight to turn their homelands into something other than third-rate shitholes, or they can stuff it and get shipped back across the Med when the time comes.

Nobody - absolutely nobody - claims that South Korea or Japan or Turkey or Peru or Egypt or Tanzania or Nepal or Mexico or Togo or Indonesia have some obligation to accept and assimilate foreigners, and especially not foreigners who come from a culture that has perpetually been in conflict with the host's. The fact that Ahmed may in time become a productive member of French society is no more a reason that he has a right to go or remain in France than I have the right to go and live in Tokyo because I can assert the same.

As for who does what in divide in conquer - I think you'll be quite horrified, Tommy. Scalzi and his ilk hate us, but they hate the idea of being out-grouped and facing the risk of violence even more. So while the Ilk seems to be quite content to leave you to yours to your native sandpits, Scalzi and the rabbits, being the last to arrive to the party, will be terrified of being spotlighted as the treasonous weasels they are. They will be the loudest calling for a killing.

Anonymous rienzi January 14, 2015 9:17 AM  

Five years ago Muslims were something I read about in the news, but like a sasquatch, I never actually saw them live and in the flesh. Now I can't go anywhere for more than a few minutes without seeing their headscarved, pajama-panted women out shopping with a horde of swarthy children. If anything I think their numbers here may well be under-reported.

OpenID cailcorishev January 14, 2015 9:21 AM  

He also sympathizes with "well meaning Muslims". Quite unlike ya fellers, heh heh.

Of course we sympathize with them. That's why we hope they make it home safely before it's too late. If we really hated them, we'd join the leftists in encouraging them to stay and make trouble until they get wiped out.

Anonymous Brain Dead Progressive Rabbit Melting Down January 14, 2015 9:24 AM  

But, but, but, but, diversity!! And falafel! And Rumi poetry! All people are the same under the skin and want the same things! Can't we all just get along? I'll ride with u! I'd like to buy the world a Coke!

Kumbaya?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis January 14, 2015 9:26 AM  

As for who does what in divide in conquer - I think you'll be quite horrified, Tommy. Scalzi and his ilk hate us, but they hate the idea of being out-grouped and facing the risk of violence even more. So while the Ilk seems to be quite content to leave you to yours to your native sandpits, Scalzi and the rabbits, being the last to arrive to the party, will be terrified of being spotlighted as the treasonous weasels they are. They will be the loudest calling for a killing.

I think you are on to something Alexander

Anonymous Susan January 14, 2015 9:26 AM  

When liberals like Snarlin Arlen Spectre and Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg started the drumbeat for embracing European law, and how we should use their laws as the foundations for our own, could anyone be surprised that the rest of the sheep and rabbits would eventually warm to the rest of it?

If you really want to see a concentration of headscarves, go to the Redmond Washington area and see what Bill Gates has wrought with the population there. A lot of jobs that should be going to American citizens first.

Blogger Ron January 14, 2015 9:34 AM  

@VD

They don't have any problem with the idea of deporting them all.

They realize instinctively that they are the ones who are going to be in direct competition with these alien males, in an environment with limited resources, and that even worse there is a high chance they will be paying in blood if they let them stay.

I wonder how they would feel about it if hypothetically only the women could stay.

LOL, I wonder how the native women (of any ethnic group) would feel about it if only the immigrant women were allowed to stay.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 9:43 AM  

Dearbornistan is an example of what Islam will do when the concentration is high enough. Christians who attempt to preach in the street will be threatened and even assaulted, while the cops do little to nothing.

Islam leads to Sharia. Sooner or later, it leads there. Ataturk tamed Islam but only for a while, for about three generations, and now we see that even in Turkey the reality of Koranic Islam is surfacing again.

Tommy, if I have a choice between accepting you into my town but also taking in Somali gangsters and ISIS wannabes, or deporting them and you, guess which one I'm going to choose? Yeah, sending you back to Shariaville is going to be tough on you, but if the only realistic alternative is gunfire in my back yard from Jihadis, that's how it is gonna be.

Because Tommy, given a choice between protecting you from my neighbors, and protecting my family from your Islamic brothers, my duty is clear.

Anonymous cheddarman January 14, 2015 9:50 AM  

I think there needs to be a demonstrated failure of the government to provide for peoples needs in old age, before women start to have children at or above replacement levels in the US and Europe. When the great depression 2.0 hits and people see single old homeless boomers pushing around shopping carts that could start things moving towards increased birth rates.

Anonymous Strange Aeons January 14, 2015 9:56 AM  

When the Shiite hits the fan, can we call it shawarmageddon?

Anonymous Porky January 14, 2015 9:57 AM  

Talk to the teenagers. I am in contact with a lot of them at the soccer club. They don't have any problem with the idea of deporting them all.

I suspect that there is some guilt over various French occupations that is not shared by the current generation of young people.

OpenID cailcorishev January 14, 2015 9:59 AM  

Ah, the 'good Muslim' card.

It's funny: back when the IRA was active, I don't remember each of its bombings being followed by a blitz of media and politicians insisting that most Irish are good Irish and most Catholics and good Catholics, and demanding that we all hold hands and repeat it together until we believe it.

In fact, I remember Catholic churches and Irish pubs, all the way over in America, being given the hairy eyeball and asked whether they were collecting for the IRA. Not official pogroms or anything, but certainly social pressure to avoid ties with them. Just the sort of thing that, if you suggest it now in the case of Muslims, is treated as appallingly racist.

Anonymous Porky January 14, 2015 10:01 AM  

Actually did talk to one teenager. Can't stand the muslims, but fears Le Pen more.

The indoctrination is deep in France. Very deep. Maybe it's less so in Italy and Germany?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 10:01 AM  

The linked article is interesting as a straw in the wind. First, that article is from National Review, so at least some conservatives are finally waking up. Ian Tuttle's picture is on the article, and he's clearly younger than 30. On the other hand, Jason Lee Steorts had one of his little moments in the Corner blog where he wrung his hands over the injustice of actually considering country of origin in immigration.

Remember that Mark Steyn used to write for NR. He made a joke in the Corner blog that sent Steorts to his fainting couch, and now Steyn isn't with NR anymore. We'll see if Tuttle gets the same treatment or not.

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 10:06 AM  

Five years ago Muslims were something I read about in the news, but like a sasquatch

Bigfoot Migrations

Anonymous bw January 14, 2015 10:08 AM  

Bigfoot Migrants

Anonymous Bah January 14, 2015 10:15 AM  

that article is from National Review, so at least some conservatives are finally waking up

National Review is conservative again? Cool, if true!

I wonder how they would feel about it if hypothetically only the women could stay.

Bleh, there ain't nothing good under that ninja suit.

Anonymous Drink to That January 14, 2015 10:18 AM  

Snarlin Arlen Spectre

He also of the single magic bullet theory Warren Commission fame.
We need a celebration calendar noting the death dates of politicians.

Anonymous Giuseppe January 14, 2015 10:20 AM  

Bottomline: do it like the jews do it with whites (feminism) and split your enemy.

What you don't understand Tommy, is that the spearhead that will end up leading the charge against Islam is not of that kind. They are up front, in your face, crusader types. Not sneaky SJW types. And when they kick off it will produce an avalanche.

Anonymous BigGaySteve January 14, 2015 10:51 AM  

It seemed like he was waiting for an oilpatch paycheck to just fall out of the sky
Jizya- moslems expect non moslems to pay a jihad seekers tax to not be attacked simply for being non moslem, in fact that's why the supposed "good moslems" consider welfare/dole, & housing benefit to be jizya.

Minneapolis, like Columbus, Ohio, is a destination for Somalis, who for some reason are being directed there.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/ explains all.
US taxpayers dollars are being spent to import them. They target places with lots of "social capital" (whitopeas) to dump them on with more taxpayer paid benefits than even citizens can get. There are several ""charities"" like Luthern Social services and Catholic Charities that use taxpayer money to dump them. They understand that Christians in Somalia are the persecuted minority but they are too cowardly to accept the deaths which would result if they didn't give moslems the plane tickets to the 1st world. This is why airports now have signs telling people not to take a dump on the floor because taxpayer money is used to bring in such savages. Homeless vets cant get services but there is govt money for teaching people not to sh1t on the floor.

A Syrian Christian friend of the family taught my siblings how to swim. One day I asked his thoughts on the middle east. He said you will never understand anything about the ME if you don't know that moslems version of Jesus had his biggest victory by breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night thus moslems are allowed to lie under the rules of taqiyya. They believe they are superior to all even to the point that those that live in huts and use their hands for toilet paper consider themselves superior to the men who walked on the moon simply because they are not moslem. The reason the Boston Marathon brothers attacked a liberal city is the same reason they beheaded their 3 gay neighbors a year before but no one was unPC enough to follow the beheading stereotype, the fable of scorpion & frog.

If you are spelling it muslim instead of moslem you are appeasing like illegal alien vs. undocumented democrat. http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/524
I will end with a joke. Why do moslems stone gays to death and mutilate little girls genitals? One day Moo ham mads oldest wife hit puberty(youngest was 6) and he realized the gays where correct about his willy being smaller than what is now cut off little girls.

Blogger Mindstorm January 14, 2015 11:36 AM  

Like I care. An experiment to make: ask a 'moderate' Muslim how he would justify shooting cartoonists for making images of the prophet. Was it idolatry, or perhaps representations of Allah? If neither, then why is a non-Muslim supposed to care about hadiths? Are they uniformly followed by Muslims? Watch as he squirms...

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 12:24 PM  

"Surreptitiously, while organized Jewry has the mass media bullhorn?

This isn't going to be done nicely, with respect for the practicalities of white survival on one side and face-saving for mass immigrants who just didn't work out on the other side. Because, as you pointed out, a bloody mess will be a Jewish propaganda club to beat whites with. So they will be doing their best to make a peaceful disengagement impossible. And they have a lot of power, and talent in fostering ugly ethnic conflict."

You miss the point.

1. Not everyone is like you.

2. The governments of Europe are not quite as suicidal as you believe they will be. I believe that nationalist parties will take steps that will make stupid shit unnecessary.

3. If there was to be another Lollercaust, but against Ismailites, future generations would prostrate towards them even more than towards the Jews. It is an utterly undesirable event long term.

"Haha, idiots say 'This time it's gonna be different' "

What happened the last time somebody did that. I forgot.

""Why do you keep referring to your enemy as "Islam"? I'm not offended or anything, I just think it's unwise."

Because islam attacks everyone.

Itself included."

Islam is not a person, lol.

Point is, Islam targets too large a group. Jihadist targets a smaller group. Attack (verbally) the first and you have them all as your enemy. If you said "jihadi", you seem less ambitious, and people are more willing to give you a pass.

This isn't complicated.

""There is a percentage that will assimilate. "

yes. very.. very... tiny percentage."

Guys....I don't know how to put this. But you really don't know as much as you think you do. Even with the alleged super high average IQ of the posters here.

You also project your attitudes onto the average westerner. You just MIGHT be disappointed.

"Tommy,
By well meaning we intend secular Muslims who pay taxes (white man's jinzya) follow the laws of the land they are in and don't make a spectacle. You know, the ones who SUBMIT to Christian rules. Heh heh"

Not Christian rules, Western rules. What makes you think I don't? There is a reason why I don't wish to return. My countrymen are a bunch of farm animals.

So are Germans, but at least they're far smarter.

"Rapidly approaching the point where nobody cares. It is the white man's burden to let large number of towelheads into our countries and then sift through who is good and who is not, and get blown to pieces while we try and sort out the paperwork."

Nobody forces you to let them in. But if you let them in and give them citizenships, deporting them or attempting to do so is a crime.

Which is why I am in favor of ending Muslim immigration and citizenships. If the number of people like me grows, relenting on the few that actually have citizenships here no longer is an option. If the bleeding is stopped, the number of guys like me will remain managable.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 14, 2015 12:27 PM  

"'But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave.

'If you do not like it here because some humorists you don't like are making a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off."

If any Merkin' had the ballz to say this I'd care about voting again.....

Anonymous Jack Amok January 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

As soon as the CH massacre happened, we had our local token muslim take to local social media to complain about anit-muzzie sentiments. It was the whole "don't blame me, I'm not a terrorist" schtick that is automatic now. The usual collection of manatees replied with "oh, that's terrible you don't feel welcome" bleating, but he got a ration of shit from a couple of men and several of the better-adjusted women for trying to claim victim status.

He's back on today (never saw him before, he's either new to facebook or just got some new orders from the PR managers, not sure yet) complaining about being profiled. Again, he's getting pushback, and doesn't seem to quite know how to handle it. Seems he just assumed if he claimed RACiSSSSS everybody would defer to him.

Some of the predictable ones are, but a lot are just saying piss off

Anonymous Jack Amok January 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

Its perfectly logically acceptable for both jews and muslims to be assholes.

In fact, technically, an "anti-semite" would dislite both jews and arabs...


Talk to the teenagers. I am in contact with a lot of them at the soccer club. They don't have any problem with the idea of deporting them all.

Yeah, the older ones have a hard time admitting everything they've believed was wrong. Not so hard for kids, they're pre-programmed to think society is screwed up anyway.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 14, 2015 12:32 PM  

If you are spelling it muslim instead of moslem you are appeasing like illegal alien vs. undocumented democrat.

Huh. Well, Moslem it is then. Or Mooselimb.

Blogger Alexander January 14, 2015 12:39 PM  

Really, Tommy?

Remind me again what the demographics of Constantinople look like these days.

Blogger Alexander January 14, 2015 12:40 PM  

I think someone want to have his baklava and eat it, too.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 12:45 PM  

"As for who does what in divide in conquer - I think you'll be quite horrified, Tommy. Scalzi and his ilk hate us, but they hate the idea of being out-grouped and facing the risk of violence even more. So while the Ilk seems to be quite content to leave you to yours to your native sandpits, Scalzi and the rabbits, being the last to arrive to the party, will be terrified of being spotlighted as the treasonous weasels they are. They will be the loudest calling for a killing."

That is a somewhat feverish scenario of the future. I was talking about 2013. If the Tsarnaevs deliberately targets wherever you gun nuts live, and points out that politics was a factor, rabbits will not be motivated to hit back.

That doesn't work in the reverse: look how you guys take this attack as an attack on you even though it was a bunch of leftoids. Rightwingers don't care about politics as long as it's one of them getting harmed. Leftoids are more disloyal and sparing them would provide an incentive to keep it cozy with us.

It's better than what they actually did, lol. Make sure that appeasement of you actually is a worthwile strategy. Battle of Lepanto happened because those idiots flayed the guy whom they promised to spare after surrender. Dumbasses.

"Islam leads to Sharia. Sooner or later, it leads there. Ataturk tamed Islam but only for a while, for about three generations, and now we see that even in Turkey the reality of Koranic Islam is surfacing again."

There is the ignorance again.

I'm sorry but you are not tall enough for this ride. Turkey is still far away from actual sharia. There are plenty of countries that don't enact sharia as well.

"Tommy, if I have a choice between accepting you into my town but also taking in Somali gangsters and ISIS wannabes, or deporting them and you, guess which one I'm going to choose? Yeah, sending you back to Shariaville is going to be tough on you, but if the only realistic alternative is gunfire in my back yard from Jihadis, that's how it is gonna be.

Because Tommy, given a choice between protecting you from my neighbors, and protecting my family from your Islamic brothers, my duty is clear."

Ah, the hobby of envisioning absurd scenarios, wherein harming innocent parties becomes a viable choice. The old classic.

False dilemma.

"
In fact, I remember Catholic churches and Irish pubs, all the way over in America, being given the hairy eyeball and asked whether they were collecting for the IRA. Not official pogroms or anything, but certainly social pressure to avoid ties with them. Just the sort of thing that, if you suggest it now in the case of Muslims, is treated as appallingly racist."

Doesnt matter. It will be done eventually. It will also obliterate the need for the kind of stuff you are predicting.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 12:47 PM  

""Jizya- moslems expect non moslems to pay a jihad seekers tax to not be attacked simply for being non moslem, in fact that's why the supposed "good moslems" consider welfare/dole, & housing benefit to be jizya."

You are kind of full of shit. You make people like Ezra Klein look credible.

I mean really, you have no idea how INSANE you look to an outsider, including one of your own people.

"He said you will never understand anything about the ME if you don't know that moslems version of Jesus had his biggest victory by breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night thus moslems are allowed to lie under the rules of taqiyya."

1. Taqiyya is Shia, the minority.

2. It is the right the lie to avoid becoming a Christian style martyr. Nothing else.

"Why do moslems stone gays to death and mutilate little girls genitals? One day Moo ham mads oldest wife hit puberty(youngest was 6) and he realized the gays where correct about his willy being smaller than what is now cut off little girls."

Muslims don't do that. Africans do. Probably because their women have furnace like libidos.

You're a child. Maybe Iran is onto something with the killing gays thing :)

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 12:49 PM  

"Remind me again what the demographics of Constantinople look like these days."

1453 =/= 1970.

What a retarded comparison. Did I claim Spain back?

Anonymous Alexander January 14, 2015 1:07 PM  

No - it means that if people who controlled a city for for two thousand or so years can be kicked out, so can some Turk in Hamburg who's German roots go back to 1970.

And you'll have to explain to me how kicking Turks out after you've invited them into your home is worse than Turks taking over the Greek home uninvited.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is Moe Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

"Islam leads to Sharia. Sooner or later, it leads there. Ataturk tamed Islam but only for a while, for about three generations, and now we see that even in Turkey the reality of Koranic Islam is surfacing again."

There is the ignorance again.

No, Tommy, there's the reality again. Islam is an endless vicious cycle.

I'm sorry but you are not tall enough for this ride. Turkey is still far away from actual sharia.

Yes, but not for lack of trying on the part of the AK party. Tell me, does the Army still have the power to correct a government? Nope. Does the government still have control over the Friday sermons? Nope. Who is stronger, AK or the army? AK is stronger. The trend is there, although I'm sure you do not want to see it.

There are plenty of countries that don't enact sharia as well.

There are plenty of countries that do not YET enact sharia. But it is likely in time they will, because of the cyclic nature of Islam.

"Tommy, if I have a choice between accepting you into my town but also taking in Somali gangsters and ISIS wannabes, or deporting them and you, guess which one I'm going to choose? Yeah, sending you back to Shariaville is going to be tough on you, but if the only realistic alternative is gunfire in my back yard from Jihadis, that's how it is gonna be.

Because Tommy, given a choice between protecting you from my neighbors, and protecting my family from your Islamic brothers, my duty is clear."


Ah, the hobby of envisioning absurd scenarios, wherein harming innocent parties becomes a viable choice. The old classic.

Look, Tommy, I understand that you want people like me to be killed or maimed or "merely" raped and beaten by your brothers in Islam if it means you get to stay in the West, rather than have to go back and submit to the AK party. I got that. I'm just saying the same in reverse. So calm down. I won't get the chance to actually deport you, and if I'm careful I won't be injured or robbed or killed by one of your brothers in Islam. Of course, as colonization continues, the chances of my being harmed by your brothers will only increase.

It's nothing personal. As a human being I put the well being of my family higher than the well being of strangers. You do the same. In fact, you're doing the same in this thread and other threads, and if you were honest you'd admit it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

"Why do moslems stone gays to death and mutilate little girls genitals? One day Moo ham mads oldest wife hit puberty(youngest was 6) and he realized the gays where correct about his willy being smaller than what is now cut off little girls."

Tommy Taqqiya:
Muslims don't do that. Africans do.

Yeah, including Egyptian Africans who are actually Arabs. 90% of Egyptian women have had some degree of clit-slitting done to them, according to the Egyptians themselves. The other 10%? Coptic Christians. Duh. Sure, it's done in a more sanitary and safe way, by a doctor if possible, but it's still done.

Oh, and the Africans in Iraq do it, too. A few years back some German medical units in upcountry Iraq were doing hearts-and-minds work and were astounded to find clit slitting was pretty common there, too. So I guess the Tigris and Euphrates rivers are flowing across Africa, Tommy?

Sure, Tommy, clit slitting is only for Africans. Not for Moslems from Morocco to Cairo to Mosul, oh, no. And drooling out bullshit like this just does wonders for your credibility, too.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

Most of them are from the African continent you dumbfuck. It sin't common anywhere else. The closest thing they have is Egypt, which is in Africa.

I didn't even know that this was a thing before idiotic westerners told me.

Get lost.

Anonymous Anubis January 14, 2015 1:30 PM  

I am late to this party but I don't think anyone has pointed out about how this guy is asking to be Derbyshired.

"Tommy Hass What about blacks?"
If IQ did not have any genetic component somewhere in the world there would be a school where blacks performed better & caused less violence than Asians, but they are not even able to beat Hispanics.

"""Jizya- moslems expect non moslems to pay a jihad seekers tax to not be attacked simply for being non moslem, in fact that's why the supposed "good moslems" consider welfare/dole, & housing benefit to be jizya."-You are kind of full of shit. You make people like Ezra Klein look credible.

This is the reason everything about western civilization enrages muslims except the benefits office.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 1:34 PM  

"No - it means that if people who controlled a city for for two thousand or so years can be kicked out, so can some Turk in Hamburg who's German roots go back to 1970.

And you'll have to explain to me how kicking Turks out after you've invited them into your home is worse than Turks taking over the Greek home uninvited."

Because that was something that happened 100s of years ago. Whether or not it was a crime is immaterial.

"It's nothing personal. As a human being I put the well being of my family higher than the well being of strangers. You do the same. In fact, you're doing the same in this thread and other threads, and if you were honest you'd admit it."

Except this is a false dilemma. There is nothing wrong with favoring your family. It's just that your "Would I rather have you and 3 ISIS somali types in my town or have you deported?" is ludicrously contrived.

Also, nobody said you should end immigration or Islamization.

I mean my God, it's not like it is hard to sniff out the vermin. You can tell by LOOKING at them. I saw one such guy. He acted like a drug addled spastic.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 1:36 PM  

"This is the reason everything about western civilization enrages muslims except the benefits office."

No I think he is an ignorant fool. How can he expect to get taken seriously.

Btw, have you guys ever read MPCdot.com? It's great.

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 1:40 PM  

"Also, nobody said you shouldN'T end immigration or Islamization.

I mean my God, it's not like it is hard to sniff out the vermin. You can tell by LOOKING at them. I saw one such guy (today). He acted like a drug addled spastic."

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 1:55 PM  

Tommy Taqqiya
Most of them are from the African continent you dumbfuck. It sin't common anywhere else. The closest thing they have is Egypt, which is in Africa.

Are you really so stupid as to try to equate equatorial Bantus in Uganda with urban Arabs in Cairo, Tommy? Cripes, even brain dead progtards know better than that, it's why the term "Sub Saharan Africa" is still in common use. Because Africans south of the Sahara are culturally and genetically different from Africans north of the Sahara - you know, the Arabs? Why your Islamic brothers adopted clit slitting is a question for a different day. Why you can't accept the reality of clit slitting as part of Islam is much more relevant.

And again, what part of Africa do I find the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flowing across? If clit slitting is really as common in upcountry Iraq as it appears to be, based on the medical units of a few years back, then it may be something that has been accepted into Kurdish culture. If that's true, then it's going to be working into the mainstream Turkish culture in another generation, because of the demographics. So clit slitting could be going on in Turkey right now, Tommy, under the banner of Islam. Not saying it is, but it could well be.

What part of Africa is Turkey in?

I didn't even know that this was a thing before idiotic westerners told me.

Well, now you know about it, thanks to idiotic westerners telling you an unpleasant truth. Good of you to admit it, I mean that sincerely.

Get lost.

What's the matter, Tommy, is reality too hurtful for your delicate feelings? Should we all tiptoe around, not talking about unpleasant topics that might offend you? Or should you just grow up and learn to deal with the ugly side of a group you belong to?

What should we do, Tommy? Just shut up about reality?

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 2:09 PM  

Except clit clipping isn't an Islamic thing, it is an African thing. African thing, as in, people from the continent of Africa. Had I meant "darkies", I would've said so.

Go and suggest to a random muslim in Europe that he had his sister mutilated. Prepare your CCW.

It is primarily a darkie thing (I've heard an Angolan chick talk about it, though not sure if it's true) It is a non Islamic ritual that some people who happen to be Muslims follow. most of them Africans. I assume that it is based on the high libido of blacks.

How high is the percentage of Iraqis doing it?

Blogger Tommy Hass January 14, 2015 2:21 PM  

Let me put it in different terms.

I am aware of LOTS of ugly sides of Islam. I remember when one kid in my neighborhood told me that women shouldn't sing because it is haram. Instruments are haram. Apsotasy is death. etc

I have never, EVER heard of clit clipping.

I mean I know there are muzzies who do it, but it is probably incidental. I knew that blacks did it, and Egyptians and Jemenis as well. (Osmosis)

I have enough contact with more religious dudes who have never confirmed that. (and they are serious)

For God's sake, I don't even deny that Muhammad did it with a 9 year old, why would I deny this?

Because it is in all likelyhood bullshit. Christians have Christmas trees too, it's still a pagan custom.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 2:24 PM  

"It's nothing personal. As a human being I put the well being of my family higher than the well being of strangers. You do the same. In fact, you're doing the same in this thread and other threads, and if you were honest you'd admit it."

Tommy
Except this is a false dilemma.

No, Tommy, it is not. Right now there are no-go areas in Sweden, in Belgium, in France and very likely in Germany due to the same laws that alllow you to stay in Germany. There's no way for any Western country to credibly separate out the jihadis from the secular Islamics.

There is nothing wrong with favoring your family. It's just that your "Would I rather have you and 3 ISIS somali types in my town or have you deported?" is ludicrously contrived.

No, it is not. It is reality. It's a package deal. That's why Malmo isn't Swedish any more. In order for someone like you to come to the US, I also have to accept some number of Somali jihadis.

Also, nobody said you should end immigration or Islamization.

I think you meant "nobody said you should NOT end immigration or Islamization", but if you were paying attention to the news this last week there's a whole bunch of white, European elites who have said exactly that.

I mean my God, it's not like it is hard to sniff out the vermin. You can tell by LOOKING at them. I saw one such guy. He acted like a drug addled spastic.

And he was in Germany, right? Just like you, right? So both of you are benefiting from the same laws, right? There's the "package deal", Tommy. In order for you to get to hang out in Deutschland, the spastic Jihadi gets to come in as well. At some point, people will demand the process be reversed.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 2:29 PM  

Some reading for you, Tommy. Maybe not during meal time. Pay attention to the four different categories of genital mutilation, and note which ones are common in Kurdistan, in parts of Pakistan, in Malaysia, Indonesia and the Islamic parts of the Philippines.

Oh, and there's an estimate of 25,000 female humans in Germany who have had this done to them. Although probably not done by their brothers, it appears to be a job for midwives, or older relatives.

It's not just an African thing, Tommy. You're just making yourself look ignorant by insisting it is.


Prevelance Of Female Genital Mutilation By Country

Anonymous Anubis January 14, 2015 2:36 PM  

"I mean really, you have no idea how INSANE you look to an outsider, including one of your own people."

Tommy seems especially bothered that one of his fellow gays has left the rabbit warren. There is a saying that a conservative is a liberal that has been mugged by reality. If things are bad enough that gays start changing sides for relative safety, how long can the left be held together by their hatred of straight white guys? London was probably safer for gays in Oscar Wilde's time then when muslims are beheading soldiers and grandmothers in broad daylight.

Hey Tommy is that your ex boyfriend? If so we can tell who was the man in the relationship.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 14, 2015 3:50 PM  

Here is a comment from an advocacy group on the issue of FGM.

German commentary on UNICEF surveys of FGM with special mention of Kurdish regions of Iraq.

It's not just an African thing.

Anonymous zen0 January 14, 2015 7:45 PM  

I mean my God, it's not like it is hard to sniff out the vermin. You can tell by LOOKING at them. I saw one such guy (today). He acted like a drug addled spastic."

This is one thing I have always been curious about. What DO Islamic societies do with their schizos and other psychos? I have heard the less intelligent usually become Imams, but how are the loonys dealt with?

Allah is the old Babylonian Moon god, and Lunar --> Lunacy.
Whats up with that?

Anonymous Discard January 15, 2015 3:44 AM  

Nate: Dearbornistan is not the only large Middle-Eastern colony in the U.S. Southern California is the Iranian capital of the Western Hemisphere. There are an estimated 700-800 thousand of them there. Beverly Hills High School is 40% Iranian. I remember when they first came, strutting assholes from the wealthy classes of Iran. They were used to getting their way, and I could see why the Ayatollah took over from their kind. They drove as if we Americans were all supposed to stop and let them go first. That's unsurprising, given that half the cars in Tehran had obvious body damage, according to Nobel Laureate V.S. Naipaul.
They had money and one of them bought the business I worked for. They hired all their stupid relatives, and had separate bathrooms for Americans. Hell yes I'd ship them back, even if they were born here. They really don't belong.

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