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Saturday, February 14, 2015

A succinct argument

A debate on free speech in Denmark ends abruptly:
One dead in shooting at a Copenhagen cultural centre, where a meeting about freedom of speech was being held - organised by a Swedish artist who had caricatured the Prophet Muhammad. Police hunt for lone Danish-speaking gunman behind attack.

• 40-yr-old Danish man killed in shooting at cultural centre
• Three policemen reported injured
• Police hunt for lone Danish-speaking gunman
• Danish PM says attack was terrorism
• French ambassador to Denmark inside but unharmed
• Meeting about freedom of speech was being held at the time
• Gathering organised by controversial Swedish artist Lars Vilks
• Lars Vilks caricatured Prophet Muhammad in 2007
Well, I guess that is one way to reach consensus.

UPDATE: A man, aged 40, has died after masked gunmen opened fire on the Krudttoenden cafe in Copenhagen during a meeting entitled Art, Blasphemy and Freedom of Speech. Two people were taken away on stretchers after the attack after the cafe was sprayed with 200 bullets. The French ambassador, who was present at the debate on free speech, has said it was an attempt at a Charlie Hebdo-style attack in the Danish capital.

200 shots and one kill? It certainly sounds like jihad. By way of comparison, Anders Breivik required 121 shots to kill 77.

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64 Comments:

Anonymous Will Best February 14, 2015 2:49 PM  

Modern leftist and Islamic extremists can both appreciate limits on free speech.

Anonymous trev006 February 14, 2015 2:50 PM  

They're winning the war that matters, it seems. Is Europe still strong enough to resist? I don't live there, but these attacks are happening with increasing frequency, yet the elite reaction is still "we shouldn't provoke them!"

Is anyone actually resisting? Because physical resistance is looking better all the time.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 2:56 PM  

Is Europe still strong enough to resist?

Yes. Jews are getting fed up. Just yesterday, it was said in the news that Jews are very worried about antisemitistic harrassment. I though, what else is new, how about the water, is it still wet?

But the next words were shocking:

"They stressed that none of this comes from right-wing groups, this is all Muslim immigrants."

Rrrrrrrrrreally? It's time to SAY that now? This may be a game-changer.

Anonymous zen0 February 14, 2015 2:58 PM  

I thought these artists were under some kind of police protection.

Looks like a whoopsie, maybe accidently on purpose.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 3:04 PM  

Zeno, that's not really fair towards the police, and you don't hear me say that often. I mean, zero artists were hurt, and three police were hurt.

Blogger Krul February 14, 2015 3:07 PM  

200 shots and one kill? It certainly sounds like jihad. By way of comparison, Anders Breivik required 121 shots to kill 77.

Breivik only shot 69. The other 8 were killed by his car bomb in Oslo.

Anonymous trev006 February 14, 2015 3:11 PM  

That is news I don't expect, Markku. Yet... the Jews? My understanding from other posts here is that the Jews remain a tiny disliked minority in both popular and elite circles in Europe. (Obviously not in financial ones.) Wasn't there a conversation about how Jews are leaving European nations for Israel?

You're not exactly a tranzi yourself, so the notion that you first point to the Jews when describing a European reaction is interesting. Do you think elite Europe is headed the same way?

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 3:11 PM  

That's not fair either. Breivik operated in a low-pressure environment. There was nobody there with a gun except him. These people did it with many police officers around.

Anonymous Bojangles February 14, 2015 3:11 PM  

Maybe the shooter dun be a Brutha from Deetroyt?

Anonymous Discard February 14, 2015 3:11 PM  

So, we now have permission to be fed up, because Jews are fed up? And we can criticize Moslems, because Jews do? If that's a game changer, it's because Jews are changing their game.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 3:13 PM  

Do you think elite Europe is headed the same way?

I think it was the Jews who turned Europe into Eurabia. But now they seem to be starting to officially admit to it having been a bad idea. So, there is hope that they will shift their political weight to the other side.

Anonymous zen0 February 14, 2015 3:13 PM  

> Zeno, that's not really fair towards the police,

My bad. I read another story where they did have bodyguards who hustled the artist away.

Blogger Xmas February 14, 2015 3:13 PM  

To be fair, that part of Copenhagen can be a bit rough and tumble. That's only a few blocks away from where the Hells Angels club was hit by a rocket in October of 96.

Blogger Aurini February 14, 2015 3:15 PM  

"Police hunt for lone Danish-speaking gunman"

Is that the new code-word for immigrant of Middle Eastern descent?

Anonymous Salt February 14, 2015 3:18 PM  

Sprayed with bullets? Sounds like a full-auto. Where or where might one get one of those?

Anonymous Discard February 14, 2015 3:20 PM  

Markku: I suppose that we could allow an arsonist to help put out the fire, but we still need to lock him away once the fire's out.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 3:21 PM  

We'll let it all play out. But this is a new situation, and it would be insanity to not exploit it.

Anonymous Discard February 14, 2015 3:25 PM  

Agreed, Markku. And when civilization is restored, we can be as grateful to them as they have been to us. Not one bit.

Anonymous Anubis February 14, 2015 3:27 PM  

"200 shots and one kill? It certainly sounds like jihad. By way of comparison, Anders Breivik required 121 shots to kill 77."

Pray black/brown never learns to hold guns with the sites up.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 3:33 PM  

Markku: "I think it was the Jews who turned Europe into Eurabia. But now they seem to be starting to officially admit to it having been a bad idea. So, there is hope that they will shift their political weight to the other side."

Would Greater Zimbabwe be that hopeful an improvement over Eurabia?

Blogger automatthew February 14, 2015 3:33 PM  

"Pray black/brown never learns to hold guns with the sites up."

Implying that would help their aim...

Blogger wrf3 February 14, 2015 3:36 PM  

Since the pen is mightier than the sword, and all right-thinking people hold that we need more sword control for the safety of everyone, it follows that we need more pen control. No guns, or speech, for anyone.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 3:37 PM  

Would Greater Zimbabwe be that hopeful an improvement over Eurabia?

Whites are native to Europe. Blacks are native to Africa. Left alone, both continents will drift to their natural state. Maintaing an unnatural state requires constant effort. It is not wu wei.

So, the situations are very different.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 4:24 PM  

wrf3: "No guns, or speech, for anyone."

But some animals are more equal than others.

Anonymous Difster February 14, 2015 4:47 PM  

The only thing missing from the dialog in the example given at the bottom of the article is "Thor" mentioning she's extra angry because she's on her period.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 February 14, 2015 4:56 PM  

Movie Thor remains unabashedly masculine.

Anonymous zen0 February 14, 2015 5:07 PM  

Meanwhile, in related news, Propaganda Mission Accomplished:

In Gallup poll asking what the biggest threat to the US is today, ISIS won by a 84% landslide; Iran in second spot.

Anonymous clk February 14, 2015 5:10 PM  

Wu Wei...means do nothing unnatural..those daoists are wise.

Looks like the jews in europe dont need to move to israel to get the full middle east experience... i hope the terrorist dont start in the US..although I thnk they would find it not as easy...

Blogger ajw308 February 14, 2015 5:14 PM  

I mean, zero artists were hurt, and three police were hurt.
The way police shoot. They probably shot each other.

Anonymous Borderline Anonymous February 14, 2015 5:15 PM  

200 shots and one kill? It certainly sounds like jihad.

Sure, because instead of "front sight, presss…" the jihad uses "wave in general direction, jerk, inshallah…".

One trained concealed carrier on either flank of these jihadis would have made all the difference. But no can do because of "safe" Denmark.

Blogger ajw308 February 14, 2015 5:17 PM  

Pray black/brown never learns to hold guns with the sites up.
Or learn that yanking on the trigger doesn't make the billets come out any faster.

Blogger YIH February 14, 2015 5:24 PM  

zen0:
Meanwhile, in related news, Propaganda Mission Accomplished:

In Gallup poll asking what the biggest threat to the US is today, ISIS won by a 84% landslide; Iran in second spot.

Considering who's supporting ISIS is the same as those who are gleefully turning Europe into Eurabia, yeah, they're worse than Iran.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 5:26 PM  

Islamic State OF SYRIA is the biggest threat? Not Islamic State of North America? Just how many Americans are planning to move to Syria anyway?

Anonymous PA February 14, 2015 5:50 PM  

In Gallup poll asking what the biggest threat to the US is today, ISIS won by a 84% landslide; Iran in second spot

Our biggest obstacle is not the liberals, but the masses of patriotic Murcans who still think we're the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Anonymous DKViking February 14, 2015 6:00 PM  

It did not end, they continued the meeting after the attack.

Blogger frigger611 February 14, 2015 6:09 PM  

Our biggest obstacle is not the liberals, but the masses of patriotic Murcans who still think we're the land of the free and the home of the brave. - PA

Exactly and precisely true.

The republic died some time ago. (Started probably at WWI, but for me the last nail in the coffin was Pelosi's statement that "we have to pass the law to find out what's in it).

I was raised (in the 60s) with the noble idea that to be American meant to be self-reliant and self-sufficient. make your own way, don't lean on anyone else, and ESPECIALLY not the government -

That ideal has been destroyed by leftists over the last half century. Now you're an idiot and a sucker if you don't know how to game the system and get your freebies.

"Land of the free-loader and home of the knave" is now more appropriate. Breaks my heart...

OpenID mattse001 February 14, 2015 6:18 PM  

Authorities looking for a Danish-speaking man in Denmark...
Is it just me, or is this description a bit vague?

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 6:40 PM  

It means "I know what the shooter looks like, and you know what the shooter looks like, so let's just skip that bit, but here's the interesting bit: He can speak Danish.

Anonymous PA February 14, 2015 6:44 PM  

The republic died some time ago. (Started probably at WWI, but for me the last nail in the coffin was Pelosi's statement that "we have to pass the law to find out what's in it).

I'll be conciliatory and say that in the 1980s, my teenage years, America was still our country (I was an Eastern European immigrant but bear with me on the "our"). We young GenX'ers still had an unquestioning faith that we had a future.

The death of America happened during the GHWB administration. The end of the Cold War, when all the anti-White shit took off. Clinton just made it official.

But the 80s were an equilibrium where the Civil Rights concessions seemed workable as a compromise.

Anonymous Susan February 14, 2015 7:01 PM  

It appears the gunman subscribes to the Rambo/A Team style of gunfire. That is a bad ratio. I hope they never fix it. Excellent comments today Markku.

Anonymous DKViking February 14, 2015 7:23 PM  

He is described as an light skinned middle eastern man.

Just now, the synagogue in Copenhagen has been attacked, one dead, shot in the head and two cops wounded.

Anonymous DKViking February 14, 2015 7:43 PM  

Military has been deployed in Copenhagen. :(

Anonymous zen0 February 14, 2015 7:50 PM  

Interesting that cops were at both these shootings. They are taking precautions, but the jihadis are showing them that their preparations are inadequate and will not deter attacks.

Clever.

Blogger RBooster Man February 14, 2015 7:54 PM  

But, but, the Left tells us that Europe's strict gun control laws can stop shooting massacres...

Anonymous Slowpoke February 14, 2015 8:07 PM  

Inshallah marksmanship at its best.

Anonymous Homesteader February 14, 2015 8:40 PM  

Pray and spray....

Anonymous DKViking February 14, 2015 8:44 PM  

Watch live here

http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/krimi/2015-02-14-live-en-person-skudt-i-hovedet-to-betjente-saaret

Blogger wrf3 February 14, 2015 9:07 PM  

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Blogger rondolf February 14, 2015 9:24 PM  

"He is described as an light skinned middle eastern man"

If this had happened in the US he would be called a 'white' middle easterner.

Blogger Markku February 14, 2015 9:32 PM  

Well, now! Just yesterday they were complaining that they were being killed, and now this. Not fun and games anymore, that multiculturalism, eh?

Blogger Danby February 15, 2015 2:11 AM  

Hey Tommy!
How long before the Germans get tired of your kind?

Anonymous DKViking February 15, 2015 4:45 AM  

The military was prob. the national guard. They were in this situation unarmed.

Anonymous Steve February 15, 2015 5:53 AM  

trev006 - My understanding from other posts here is that the Jews remain a tiny disliked minority in both popular and elite circles in Europe.

I don't think this is true. There are certainly a lot of pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli idiots in the European Left, but actual Jew-hatred seems to be largely confined to Muslims and a tiny fringe of neo-nazis.

Being Jewish didn't stop Sarkozy from getting elected President of France, and it isn't harming Ed Miliband's chances of becoming Prime Minister of Britain (the fact that he's an autistic spaz is a much greater handicap). That would suggest the public in two of the biggest EU countries isn't anti-Jewish in any meaningful sense.

Further, European institutions aren't anti-semitic. The Catholic Church and mainline Protestant denominations aren't antagonistic to Jews, quite the opposite. The universities, the judiciary, and the media aren't Jewphobic. Most Europeans would be concerned at a mosque or a gypsy camp being established in their neighbourhood - but I've yet to hear anybody complain about synagogues.

I'm not sure where this idea of Europeans despising the Jews has come from, but it just doesn't hold true for post-WW2 Western Europe.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus February 15, 2015 8:08 AM  

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - in 20 years, Europe will either be covered with minarets, or covered with statues of Anders Behring Breivik.

Blogger IM2L844 February 15, 2015 8:11 AM  

A couple more of these and the EU will have a standing army in no time.

Anonymous Bz February 15, 2015 8:38 AM  

Is it nearly time yet?

Anonymous trev006 February 15, 2015 9:54 AM  

Steve,

Good points, but I didn't say Jew-hatred. I don't think actual hatred of Jews is going to be a meaningful political force among Europeans, ever again. It will be a force in the Muslim populations, but I mean actual Europeans. But refraining from hatred isn't the same as liking someone.

In Europe the Jews are largely running away from their own ethnic identity and strongly dissociating themselves from the Jewish state. Official and archaic institutions have some praise for the Jews, yes, and obviously they are still powerful in some fields. Then again, I also thought the EU was relatively cool to the notion of Jews and Israel, so I may be wrong. I don't think I am, though.

Anonymous Donn February 15, 2015 12:00 PM  

Markku - I can't believe it the guy speaks Danish in Denmark! That narrows down the suspects and it's a man with light skin so there's that. I'm glad tptb see fit to let us know the vital stuff.

Anonymous John VI February 15, 2015 12:10 PM  

I am not presently aware of the current technological sophistication of the biological sciences these days, but the day is coming when a biologist figures out how to create diseases that specifically target racial groups. And Im betting that scientist isn't going to be coming out of the middle east. China or Western culture is going to build a weapon soon that can destroy the vast majority of muslems and the only thing holding them back is their belief in the sanctity of all life... Seems like a bad idea to me for muslems to weaken that perspective...

John VI

Anonymous DKViking February 15, 2015 2:29 PM  

It was 22 year old gangster Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein. Just out of prision. One of the full auto weapons has been found with members of his gang 'Brothas'.

Hes a real looker - picture two shows him just about to unmotivated attack an passenger in a train.

http://www.bt.dk/krimi/her-er-gerningsmanden

OpenID cailcorishev February 15, 2015 2:47 PM  

We young GenX'ers still had an unquestioning faith that we had a future.

That's true, though we may have been naive. But our music, movies, most everything else in the 80s tended to be upbeat and optimistic, especially by comparison with the Carter "malaise" years. I do remember that we didn't expect Social Security to survive to our old age, but we certainly thought the country would.

Blogger Nate February 15, 2015 2:51 PM  

"200 shots and one kill? It certainly sounds like jihad"

Sounds like cops to me.

Blogger Nate February 15, 2015 3:24 PM  

"I do remember that we didn't expect Social Security to survive to our old age, but we certainly thought the country would."

Speak for yourself.

Anonymous Stilicho February 16, 2015 3:28 PM  

Danish news media identified him as Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein and the NYT described him as a "native son" of Denmark.

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