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Saturday, February 21, 2015

A triumph of marketing

Bill Burr takes on the Cult of Jobs

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Anonymous bsrealm February 21, 2015 2:51 PM  

he has a great video on epidemic of gold digging whores. you should post it. its just hilarious...
he got marrried recently i think. asked about the risk of divorce he was like... fuck it i'm poor, and famous. to a black woman.

Blogger MATT February 21, 2015 3:02 PM  

Bill Burr is always funny. And its always interesting to see how the crowd refuses to laugh when he starts talking about women. He joked about being against hitting women but sometimes they deserve it. He joked on Conan recently about women ruining everything male, now the NFL and how they cant stand men having fun. The crickets were chirping . Neutered bitches. How can a man live in fear of his wife or girlfriend?? I dont get it. Its not like these women offer the emotional support these whimps desire. They probably dont give them much sex . Just go to strip clubs and hookers. Less stressful.

Blogger mmaier2112 February 21, 2015 3:04 PM  

I love Bill Burr. I've watched his special on YouTube at least a dozen times.

"IT'S GOT A GOOD SPREAD!!!!!!"

Blogger mmaier2112 February 21, 2015 3:07 PM  

" How can a man live in fear of his wife or girlfriend?? I dont get it."

No joke. People are in total fear of women in the workplace but you can do a LOT if you have the balls to do it and not be in fear of reprisals.

My attitude is like "Repercussions? From BROADS? Ha...."

It works. I wouldn't have believed it a decade ago, but it does.

Blogger David February 21, 2015 3:07 PM  

Apple is a fashion company. With a higher market cap than a backbone of energy production, ExxonMobil.

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 21, 2015 3:23 PM  

That's also what the leftists think of Apple, too. Rush, to his credit, is an Apple supporter instead of being bitter like the left that resent's Apple's success. Contrary to what the video suggests, Steve was a genius (he was allowed to skip multiple grades in school) and as every bit competent as Woz. Apple is not a cult, Steve may have had a big ego, but was deservedly so.

Blogger GoldRush Apple February 21, 2015 3:33 PM  

>> Apple is not a cult

Sure.

Anonymous Will Best February 21, 2015 3:34 PM  

Apple is a fashion company. With a higher market cap than a backbone of energy production, ExxonMobil.

That is because getting hipsters and women to pay you a 30% margin on your trade protected product is a better business model than going into politically unstable regions of the world, with massive amounts of capital equipment that can be confiscated at any moment in order to sell a product that is entirely fungible and subject to the pricing whims of a couple dozen guys in the middle east.

Anonymous Roundtine February 21, 2015 3:39 PM  

That's also what the leftists think of Apple, too.

Leftists constantly move left and anyone who doesn't move left fast enough becomes an enemy.

Blogger kurt9 February 21, 2015 3:43 PM  

Jobs' talent was in designing personal consumer electronic products. That was his genius. It is worth considering that Jobs' nearly destroyed Apple in the 1980's because of his mercurial personality and poor management style. It was only when computing and personal electronics technology became advanced enough to be bug-free and stylish consumer items rather than a hobby you had to dick around with on weekends, that Jobs' ideas really benefited Apple. This was all quite predictable in the 1990's.

Everything else about Jobs (particularly all of his pronouncements about society, how work should be a labor of love, etc.) was a load of bull. The root of all of this bull was that Jobs' always fancied himself as an artist and we all know that 99.9% of artists are full of bull.

Anonymous sawtooth February 21, 2015 3:48 PM  

Bovine dullards in the audience look around at each other to see how they should react to Burr's comments.

Anonymous Mike M. February 21, 2015 3:56 PM  

Jobs was a conceptual genius who recognized there was a big market for systems that worked without fiddling. The early marketing for the Mac was, "A computer for the rest of us."

Having said that, the whole computer industry seems plagued with borderline megalomaniac executives.

Blogger Old Harry February 21, 2015 4:00 PM  

The Cult of Jobs is its own rabbit warren. Talk about Apple or Jobs and you will quickly find the political become the personal and you will offend the rabbits.

Anonymous sawtooth February 21, 2015 4:01 PM  

Somewhat OT but...
I would love to witness Bill Burr riffing on climate change, or some other leftist sacred lie.

Plenty of smelling salts would have to be provided for audience members.

Blogger hank.jim February 21, 2015 4:04 PM  

He is left of Steve Jobs. How exciting. Yes, he exploited the talents of others by employing them. Didn't invent anything. That's the truth in a narrow definition. While be didn't invent smartphones, he defined what it should be. He didn't invent music players, but he owned the market. So he doesn't get Steve Jobs? He's bit late to care since he's dead. Anyways, Jobs treats his workers like trash. A true leftist.

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 21, 2015 4:05 PM  

bill burrr has a forehead that would make himmler jealous

Anonymous Viidad February 21, 2015 4:06 PM  

That was funny.

But what Mike M. says is true: "systems that worked without fiddling."

If you've ever tried producing a national radio broadcast on a PC under a deadline... you become very thankful for Mac.

Anonymous map February 21, 2015 4:58 PM  

I'm not an Apple fanboy, but give credit where credit is due. Steve Jobs as a marketing and sales genius was critical to Apple's success. More so that Jobs was not an electrical engineer.

You should see some of the early iphone prototypes suggested by the engineering geniuses. They were laughable.

Strength of will, vision and marketing genius are just as important for building a company as pure technical skill.

Blogger YIH February 21, 2015 4:59 PM  

kurt9:
It is worth considering that Jobs' nearly destroyed Apple in the 1980's because of his mercurial personality and poor management style.
Not quite. I know, Whackopedia:
After a power struggle with the board of directors in 1985, Jobs left Apple and founded NeXT, a computer platform development company specializing in the higher-education and business markets. In 1986, he acquired the computer graphics division of Lucasfilm, which was spun off as Pixar.[12] He was credited in Toy Story (1995) as an executive producer and characteristically forgiving principal investor of Pixar. He served as CEO and majority shareholder until Disney's purchase of Pixar in 2006.[13] In 1996, after Apple had failed to deliver its operating system, Copland, Gil Amelio turned to NeXT Computer, and the NeXTSTEP platform became the foundation for the Mac OS X.[14] Jobs returned to Apple as an advisor, and took control of the company as an interim CEO. Jobs brought Apple from near bankruptcy to profitability by 1998

Anonymous Jack Amok February 21, 2015 5:03 PM  

Jobs had his good points, and Apple was far better off with him than without him, but he was insufferable.

OpenID cailcorishev February 21, 2015 5:17 PM  

The NeXT was pretty sweet, but you can kinda see the "fashion first" attitude even then, because it was cool, with the all-black components. The Cube looked especially cool. The screen looked great too, because NeXTStep had a very nice UI for the time; 25 years later, I'm still using one that looks a lot like it (windowmaker).

Programming for it (or compiling others' programs) wasn't as much fun as looking at it, though. It was a bit underpowered for its day, especially for the price. Source code rarely came with the right defines for it, so you had to tinker around with compiler defines and hunting down include files to get anything third-party installed.

Sounds familiar: a product that looks sharp, is too expensive, and works well at the specific tasks it was designed for.

Anonymous mattos February 21, 2015 5:35 PM  

There's a funny video of Burr insulting the crowd in Philadelphia for 15 minutes. Search him and Philadelphia on youtube.

Anonymous Mike M. February 21, 2015 5:56 PM  

These days, Moore's Law doesn't drive things. Software does. And the most important feature is no longer pure capability, but ease of use. Jobs got that point very clearly, and built Apple on it.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 21, 2015 6:35 PM  

These days, Moore's Law doesn't drive things. Software does. And the most important feature is no longer pure capability, but ease of use. Jobs got that point very clearly, and built Apple on it.

If iPhones are so easy to use, why don't they have back buttons?

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 21, 2015 7:22 PM  

Beautiful, that level of confidence and ease of speech is just great.

Anonymous zen0 February 21, 2015 8:11 PM  

I never heard of Bill Burr.

Bill Burr is now my favorite comedian.

I must tell Mrs. zen0 about him!

And my sister, the lefty artsy feminist. She'll love it!

Anonymous Giuseppe February 21, 2015 8:20 PM  

Well. How nice of Bill to actually say pretty much what I and am sure many others have been thinking for a long time.
And he gave Tesla the respect. Go Bill.

Blogger Eric Wilson February 21, 2015 8:32 PM  

And he gave Tesla the respect.

Tesla or Edison?

Blogger chuck February 21, 2015 8:33 PM  

Strength of will, vision and marketing genius are just as important for building a company as pure technical skill.

Watson and IBM would be another example.

Blogger Eric Wilson February 21, 2015 8:33 PM  

Meaning, who do the Ilk find the more pioneering person?

Anonymous Susan February 21, 2015 8:36 PM  

@MATT,

The creators of the cable show Bridezillas made an entire series on just that question. How can men willingly live in fear of their women?

mmeiers, there are no real broads or dames anymore. The closest that comes to the definition that I can think of now would be someone like Ann Coulter, or Sarah Palin.

Anonymous Will Best February 21, 2015 8:38 PM  

If iPhones are so easy to use, why don't they have back buttons?

Because iphones are so easy to use that you never need to go back.

Anonymous Will Best February 21, 2015 8:43 PM  

Tesla should be admired for his innate understanding of electricity. Edison applied the shotgun approach to R&D, but he was good at bringing his products to market. He was hung up on direct current for a while though.

Anonymous kh123 February 21, 2015 8:54 PM  

"And my sister, the lefty artsy feminist. She'll love it!"

Would suggest the Mitch as a precursor to the Bill.

Ignore the wildebeest at the beginning.

OpenID mattse001 February 21, 2015 9:08 PM  

Jobs was a design aestheticist. He made a phone elegant, and the functionality flowed well.
Big deal.
His real accomplishment was to stroke the egos of narcissists, and make the iPhone a social status symbol.

Blogger deadman February 21, 2015 9:43 PM  

Bill Burr is definitely one of the best comedians around at the moment. Probably, second only to Doug Stanhope in their politically incorrect outlook.
All the while Bill Burr is never really crass or vulgar. Just quite clever.

https://twitter.com/billburr/with_replies

As for Steve Jobs, however visionary he may have been or however successful he may have made Apple; he's just a guy.
No point idolizing any walking meat bag / glorified meet puppet.

Blogger Nate February 21, 2015 10:06 PM  

the best way to take down steve jobs is to simply point out that apple has never invented a damn thing.

Blogger Nate February 21, 2015 10:07 PM  

"Because iphones are so easy to use that you never need to go back."

except you have to hit that home button 147 times a day

Anonymous Harsh February 21, 2015 10:36 PM  

the best way to take down steve jobs is to simply point out that apple has never invented a damn thing.

If it weren't for PARC, Apple would have never existed.

Anonymous zen0 February 21, 2015 10:41 PM  

> Would suggest the Mitch as a precursor to the Bill.

Dude, you are suggesting incorrectly. Maybe a little more research is in order:

Anonymous zen0 judgemento February 21, 2015 11:21 PM  

mattse001 February 21, 2015 9:08 PM
Jobs was a design aestheticist. He made a phone elegant, and the functionality flowed well.
Big deal.
His real accomplishment was to stroke the egos of narcissists, and make the iPhone a social status symbol.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Now me.

By stroking the egos of narcissists so that he made a lotta dough, thanks to Bill Gates, by the way, that he never got to enjoy because apparently not all the money in the world can buy you forgiveness or a new fucking liver, or lack of death, he is responsible for spawning a generation of zombies.

That is not a life wasted, that is a life condemned.

Anonymous kh123 February 21, 2015 11:23 PM  

"Maybe a little more research is in order:"

So long as this has nothing to do with two scoops down someone's pants.

Anonymous zen0 February 21, 2015 11:31 PM  

> two scoops down someone's pants.

I assure you. Nothing like that is suggested or depicted visually.

Anonymous zen0 February 21, 2015 11:33 PM  

I forgot to add, "on the hoary head of my ancient Mother".

Sorry

Anonymous zen0 February 22, 2015 12:07 AM  

@ Nate: except you have to hit that home button 147 times a day


Please allow me to take this opportunity to pose the question..... "What if Frank Zappa was still alive today?"................

I just listened to some Zappa and it occurred to me. I Know you have an opinion on this.

Anonymous CENTRAL February 22, 2015 1:11 AM  

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Blogger IM2L844 February 22, 2015 1:15 AM  

Tesla or Edison? Meaning, who do the Ilk find the more pioneering person?

Tesla. It's not even close, but it could hinge on how you quantify pioneering.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 22, 2015 1:20 AM  

Tesla of course.

Blogger ray February 22, 2015 1:29 AM  

The Mob murmuring uneasily (or going silent) in the background is worth listening to BB.

"Honey, is it OK if I chuckle now? Oh. Well, I thought not."

Anonymous Scintan February 22, 2015 2:14 AM  

I see the ankle biters are taking another nibble...


How quaint.

Anonymous Samuel Scott February 22, 2015 7:25 AM  

Steve Jobs as a marketing and sales genius was critical to Apple's success. More so that Jobs was not an electrical engineer.

Actually, no -- he was a genius at product design who would create products that users would love. He even ignored the advice of focus groups and would say things like, "People don't know what they want until you tell them what they want."

Jobs actually hated marketing (which is my field). Here's a short story:

..the two most 'dreaded, hated' words at Apple under Steve Jobs were "branding" and "marketing.
...we understood deeply what was important about the product, what the team’s motivations were in the product, what they hoped that product would achieve, what role they wanted it to have in people’s lives
...The most important thing was people's relationship to the product. So any time we said 'brand' it was a dirty word.

Anonymous Clay February 22, 2015 7:39 AM  

I hate people, in the General Sense. No one can squeeze out a turd, without a sphincter muscle.

I think this may sound funny, or obtuse, or just plain gross.....but it has relatively , & this blog is becoming " Suck Nate's Dick.

You peeps are god damn stupid. Nate is a smart guy, I will certainly give him that, BUT, his opinions are his own. And, these opinions don't seem to get him to his Valhalla.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 22, 2015 7:58 AM  

The funny thing here is the audience reaction.

It's funny stuff but Coco's harem of barking circus seals, are too frightened to laugh. The really funny bit is they were clearly taking their cues from Coco himself. He was deeply uncomfortable, throughout Burr's absolutely spot on rant.

The cult of Jobs is organic to an entire lifestyle that Conan is a part of and that his audience wants their neighbors to think they are a part of.

And Burr was kicking the whole Apple cart.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 22, 2015 8:00 AM  

The other part that I found interesting was that Nathan Fillion was only one really laughing.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 22, 2015 8:00 AM  

The other part that I found interesting was that Nathan Fillion was only one really laughing.

Anonymous Clay February 22, 2015 8:04 AM  

But, I apologize. I would never want you to think that I hate Nate. Far from it.

btw way, Nater....I'm sure you have EVERTHING.....but, me & my brother shot two coyotes and a bobcat on my land last week, using one of those doofus animnal calls (with a remote).

I HIGHLYY recommend those things!. I was skeptical, but, they REALLY do work.

Anonymous Clay February 22, 2015 8:18 AM  

Oh, Lord

Mayperhaps I meant the previous blogs.

My apologies, again.

Anonymous Nater February 22, 2015 8:52 AM  

Steve Jobs was a dumb loser.
He stole my factory job.
Now despite my high IQ
I live with Mom
Jobs is an idiot

Blogger Bogey February 22, 2015 9:42 AM  

I never heard of Bill Burr.
Bill Burr is now my favorite comedian.


I envy you. Hit youtube, you can now discover some really funny shit for the first time.

Funny thing about Jobs was that everything his company made was already in existence before his company made it. Definitely no Edison.

Blogger Nate February 22, 2015 10:59 AM  

'Tesla or Edison? Meaning, who do the Ilk find the more pioneering person?'

Tesla. Edison was a giant self promoting asshole. He surrounded himself with brilliant people... then when they did brilliant things... he took their ideas.. and paid them to quit working in whatever field their brilliant idea was in.

Maxim being an excellent example of this.

And of course he screwed Tesla royally.

Blogger Nate February 22, 2015 11:00 AM  

"Please allow me to take this opportunity to pose the question..... "What if Frank Zappa was still alive today?"................"

Can you imagine Frank's tank on trans acceptance or trans race? Oh man...

Blogger Kyle Smith February 22, 2015 12:12 PM  

Never understood people who hate on Apple. It's like Xbox vs Playstation for adults. It is self evident that Apple is an incredibly innovative company that has pushed technology forward in a huge way. Just like Google, Microsoft, and an older Sony.

Jobs clearly had amazing gifts as an innovator. Arguing otherwise is some sort of sour grapes. Or degenerates into elitist arguments about how consumers are stupid and don't know what they want. Apple phone fans say that about Android and they also sound retarded.


As I tell my kids, we buy what works but never become invested fans of companies or sports teams. And don't hate any either. Life has too much worth loving and hating without getting invested in consumers goods.

But if you hate Apple rejoice. Tim Cook is a SJW who thinks the direction Apple should take is fighting the good fight in their product selection. So apparently Apple is working on an electric car. What a joke.

Blogger RobertT February 22, 2015 3:57 PM  

Jobs innovative abilities may be overrated, but nobody can argue that under his leadership Apple pulled itself from the brink of bankruptcy ... (" one month before he returned there was a Wired cover that had a big Apple logo with a crown of barbed wire as thorns and underneath it just said, ‘PRAY”) ... and propelled itself to the most valuable company in the world in a decade and a half. That's never mentioned, but that's Jobs' genuine accomplishment. More on that here ... http://www.elliscpa.us/apples-tax-strategy/

Blogger Akulkis February 22, 2015 6:56 PM  

After the beheading of the Apple ][ base, and the disastrous Lisa episode, Apple's basic business has been to take undeveloped technology (starting with the Xerox Parc WIMP interface), and make it usable.

Microsoft, on the other hand, has been in the business of taking mature, standards conformant technology (even if only de facto standards, rather than formal standards) and making them portable INTO MS platforms, but not OUT OF Microsoft platforms.

Most of the actual technological innovation of the last 15 years has been in the Unix/Linux sphere (Plan 9, i.e. essentially Unix even more generalized and flexible, to take into account networking which didn't exist when Unix was designed, is dead, but the essential improvements live on in the Linux sphere)

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