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Friday, February 27, 2015

An SJW guide to making games

Anita Sarkeesian is not, by her own admission, a gamer. Nor is she a game developer, let alone a game designer. Kotaku quoted her as follows:
Sarkeesian mentioned her time in grad school, which I believe was the same time she was saying in that clip that she wasn't a fan of games. "If you asked me at the time, I would probably have said I wasn't a gamer," she said. Under her breath she added: "I don't even know if I want to say that now, but whatever."
She's not a gamer. She knows nothing about games. She is a classic SJW entryist, invading a culture to which she does not belong in order to change it according to her principles. Her list of "improvements":

"Eight things developers can do to make games less shitty for women."
  1. Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")
  2. "Lingerie is not armor" (Dress female characters as something other than sex objects.)
  3. Have female characters of various body types
  4. Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's
  5. Include more female characters of color.
  6. Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.
  7. Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic.
  8. Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies.
My response, as a professional game developer, is simple and straightforward. Go to Hell. I don't tell Anita Sarkeesian how to publicly media-whore herself for a living and she has no business telling me or any other game designer how to make the games we wish to make. Only one point would even theoretically improve any game in even a minor way, and it could be applied equally well to TV and movies, namely, point 6. What is the point of motion capturing a giraffe if you're trying to portray a cheetah?

If she thinks my game, or any other game, is "shitty for women", that's her right. And it's my right, and the right of every other single game designer and developer in the industry to tell her that I don't give the smallest quantum of a damn what she thinks. It is also our right to continue ignoring her recommendations as we go about making the games we want to make rather than the games she would prefer made.

I am, however, willing to implement one of her suggestions. We will implement her point #7 in First Sword if Anita Sarkeesian volunteers to submit to a physical but non-sexual beating and have the painful sounds she makes in the course of that beating recorded. Solely in the interests of verisimilitude and making games less shitty for women, of course. That's not a threat, it is merely an offer. She can, of course, refuse, and thereby inform the world that her commitment to her cause is rather less than total. Then we will continue doing exactly what we were doing before she started trying to tell us what to do.

However, her points do serve to demonstrate the utter futility, the utter idiocy, of giving in to her demands. First the complaint was that there weren't any women. Now the complaint is that there aren't enough women, they aren't dressed right, they're the wrong color, they don't walk in the approved fashion, they make the wrong noises, and so on. It never ends.

Any game developer who is dumb enough to think the demands are going to stop there simply hasn't been paying attention to anything that has happened in the last 50 years. Just say no to SJWs. Just say no to non-gamers trying to tell game industry professionals how to do their jobs.

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126 Comments:

Anonymous Stephen J. February 27, 2015 7:49 AM  

To me, it has always been telling that the one argument never made is, "If you implement these changes, the sales you gain from women and women-friendly gamers will make up and more for any sales lost from your current base." It's always *implied*, but it's never explicitly claimed or backed up with survey evidence. If changes like these are so widely sought as they imply, you'd think there would be more of a business case for them, not just a moral one.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 27, 2015 7:51 AM  

"Lingerie is not armor"

In all fairness, this is true and a very astute observation. I would have never guessed.

Anonymous Peter Garstig February 27, 2015 7:52 AM  

Yeah, candy crush is such a success among girls and women exactly because all those 7 points were followed.

Anonymous Patrick February 27, 2015 8:10 AM  

This is the same business and sales crushing demands that the SJW "imposed" on Sci-Fi. It is also what drove sales down for that genre.

Blogger Booch Paradise February 27, 2015 8:10 AM  

And of course doing those eight things doesn't make a game good for women, just less shitty.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2015 8:11 AM  

Have female characters of various body types

Translation: Obesity is under-represented if even represented at all. That's a form of FAT shaming.

Anonymous Miserman February 27, 2015 8:24 AM  

Lingerie is not armor.

It is if it's Elvish lingerie made of Mithril. :)

Anonymous Stephen J. February 27, 2015 8:36 AM  

Now I want to see Evangeline Lilly wearing one of those. :)

Anonymous Tom B February 27, 2015 8:44 AM  

Lingerie is not armor.

Depends on the woman. Put leather armor on Lucy Lawless and she's a kick ass sex object. Put Hillary Clinton in leather armor, she could repel a battalion of viagra-stoked incubi.

Anonymous AmyJ February 27, 2015 8:45 AM  

I say it's high time for black knights to invade The Bachelor. Rich, white men have been exclusively represented on that show for far too long. Next season should have 30 women vying for the attentions of an ex-con, mentally disabled POC. It's only right, given that everyone should feel included in every single thing ever.

Anonymous Alexander February 27, 2015 8:46 AM  

I feel a black knight opportunity here would be a female warrior covered in armor from head to toe, metal burqa style... except for the tits. Since armor in that locale is oh-so-superfluous and only-there-to-be-sexy...

Anonymous Ezras February 27, 2015 8:46 AM  

A good example of numero six is from Daredevil (playground scene).

Anonymous cheddarman February 27, 2015 8:47 AM  

3.Have female characters of various body types


she may have a point on this one. Lena dunham would make a good orc.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 27, 2015 8:55 AM  

I wonder what Anita thinks of the "obesity epidemic" rhetoric?

Blogger Alexander Thompson February 27, 2015 8:57 AM  

I personally want to play a game based on those rules. A hundred hour RPG where you play in third person behind a fat, arrogant black woman in trousers as she struggles to bring success to her Nonprofit. Sounds epic.

Anonymous Soga February 27, 2015 9:01 AM  

Little does she realize that the lingerie are actually just the visible portion of the armor. See, women get cool invisible armor that protects them as well as male armor. Because smiths are totally good feminists, so they give the ladies sexier armor!

Blogger dw February 27, 2015 9:06 AM  

With SJWs its never about the reasons stated. There's always a hidden objective, and in this case it's destroying video games as we know it. They all know it and understand it, it's always about destroying whatever white men build, their demands are not made in good faith, but always with that intent in mind.

OpenID genericviews February 27, 2015 9:09 AM  

That whole list pretty much eliminates the nazi ninja female guards in black leather suits from Castle Wolfenstein. They were awesome!

Anonymous MontyDraxel February 27, 2015 9:11 AM  

She wants realistic women moving in realistic ways. Nothing says epic gameplay like watching a fat girl struggle to get up a hill.

Or we could get a realistic depiction of girls riding motorcross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRB2QTP8DpU

Blogger pdwalker February 27, 2015 9:13 AM  

#7 what a beautifully poetic response.

Anonymous Difster February 27, 2015 9:14 AM  

So imagine, if you will, Sarkeesian being named the head of Net Neutrality for the FCC.

BWHAHAHAHAHA

It's just too dastardly to contemplate.

Anonymous Alexander February 27, 2015 9:16 AM  

By "realistic", she of course means that women should fight and move as if they were actually very athletic men.

Let us not pretend there is internal consistency within her own demands.

Anonymous Alexander February 27, 2015 9:17 AM  

For instance, should we say that female characters should not be allowed to use the longbow, because that is not realistic? Or would that be a case where OMG ITS A FANTASY WORLD THEY CAN MOVE AND ACT HOWEVER WE WANT.

Anonymous Bah February 27, 2015 9:22 AM  

As soon as Anita develops a successful game that embodies her ideal principles, then she gets to talk. Until then, shaddap!

Anonymous Anarchopurplism February 27, 2015 9:25 AM  

Aren't games supposed to be part fantasy? If gamers wanted to see fat chicks, they could stroll to the nearest food court at their local mall. Some of them may only have to walk up a flight of stairs.

Anonymous Stephen J. February 27, 2015 9:27 AM  

Put Hillary Clinton in leather armor, she could repel a battalion of viagra-stoked incubi.

She's not so hot out of leather armour either. ...So I'm told. (looks shiftily back and forth)

Anonymous Crude February 27, 2015 9:29 AM  

Eight things developers can do to make games less shitty for women.

It's not shitty for women. It's shitty for a small subset of women, of whom an even smaller subset play games at all. And that particular group pretty well devotes itself to making things shitty for everyone BUT them.

Blogger Bogey February 27, 2015 9:30 AM  

I own hundreds of games and have hundreds of games in my Steam wishlist (before I pruned it) and haven't ran into any of these games with the exception of Marvel Heroes (developed by David Brevik), which is an awesome game. If I was a dev I would be more worried about this: http://goo.gl/Lzp7Pf some smart ass beating my game within 20 minutes or so.

Blogger Student in Blue February 27, 2015 9:37 AM  

Props to Vox for using an archive link instead of giving Kotaku clicks. Basic stuff, but still an important thing to remember.

Anonymous Smokey February 27, 2015 9:37 AM  

Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.

Isn't that ALREADY how they are animated?

Seriously, has this idiot woman ever heard of motion capture? Looked at the normal animation process at game development studios?

In fact, how would you possibly animate a female character to move NOT the way normal, real-life women move?

I am convinced at this point that Anita Sarkeesian is intentionally trolling her own supporter base. There is no way she can be this much of a dumbass.

Anonymous Stickwick February 27, 2015 9:49 AM  

3. Have female characters of various body types

Translation: include various levels of unattractiveness in your portrayals of female characters.

As Vox has already explained, none of these demands is about addressing real concerns -- SJWs just want to control and destroy -- so you can and should just ignore them. But #3 is worth addressing, because even non-SJW women will occasionally insist on it. In that case, you should still ignore it, because the truth is, not even women want to look at unattractive women. There's a reason women's magazines almost exclusively show slender, beautiful women on the covers and in the ads. I didn't realize the extent of it until this morning, when I was watching an old episode of Star Trek. The original Trek was renowned for featuring beautiful, scantily clad female characters, but in this particular episode there was a matronly "Indian" woman at the helm with Sulu (nominally Indian, obviously a white woman in makeup) who, by Trek standards, was rather unattractive. I kept getting annoyed every time the camera panned over to her or whenever she had dialogue. I'm sure there's a biological explanation for it, but the fact is, for entirely non-sexual reasons, we women would much rather look at beautiful women than unattractive ones.

Blogger JP February 27, 2015 9:49 AM  

Is this realistic enough?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus February 27, 2015 9:50 AM  

Let's see, she wants games to present more fat black women wearing more than lingerie.

Essentially, she wants to turn gaming into an online version of a Chicago Wal-Mart.

Anonymous Salt February 27, 2015 9:56 AM  

but the fact is, for entirely non-sexual reasons, we women would much rather look at beautiful women than unattractive ones.

Guys, most guys that is, could care less about seeing attractive guys. But women... they do like seeing attractive women too. I swear, most women have a touch of the lesbian in them... and really, who can blame them?

Anonymous Heh February 27, 2015 9:58 AM  

There's a reason women's magazines almost exclusively show slender, beautiful women on the covers and in the ads.

I always thought the "women" in fashion magazines were breastless, anorexic epicenes because the gay men who control the industry prefer "women" who look like boys.

Blogger CM February 27, 2015 9:59 AM  

In fact, how would you possibly animate a female character to move NOT the way normal, real-life women move?

She doesn't believe REAL women sache their hips when they walk.

I played WoW for years. I loved my human female with her tiny waist and big hips/thighs. My fantasy for how I want to look. If my fantasy had been to be tall and monstrous, night elf. To be a willowy, anorexic vogue model, blood elf.

I also spent weeks farming for the vanguard set when I made it to lvl 40 only to discover it was taken out because of the "sexist" metal bikini.

Bah. I can't wear that in real life. Give it to me in pixels, kthnx.

Anonymous aeou February 27, 2015 10:00 AM  

Smokey, sometimes due to budget constraints the female model will be animated by male animation. Perhaps they did the mocap before they decided to add female models.

The only example I can remember atm is natural selection 2.

But do calm your tits. SJWs are plenty stupid enough by themselves . There is no need for uninformed speculation by you.

Blogger CM February 27, 2015 10:05 AM  

I always thought the "women" in fashion magazines were breastless, anorexic epicenes because the gay men who control the industry prefer "women" who look like boys.

Yeah... maybe for some women, they want and crave that look, but it certainly isn't the norm. I think what most women fantasize about is seeing their own bodies portrayed in attractive and desirable ways.

It's because they see these images, that they think THAT is desirable. I get the anger over the fashion industry. I do not get the fat apologetics. I want to see attractive, normal bodies... and full figured in the way a healthy, fertile woman is full figured (boobs and hips).

Anonymous Cryan Ryan February 27, 2015 10:07 AM  

It seems the gamers may be missing out on an opportunity to profitably make the SJW's a laughing stock, by giving them what they claim to want.

Simply design a game where rotund, triple chinned, multi-ethnic landwhales participate in athletic and combat-type scenarios, while yammering on their cellphones, leading nappy headed mulatto kids around, while realistically getting beaten unconscious by muscluar men at every turn, while realistically falling down, awkwardly pulling up their spandex over their wide asses, with their large spare tires jiggling, while uttering realistic sounds of pain.

Make it as real as possible. Could be hilarious.

Anonymous wEz February 27, 2015 10:08 AM  

Yes. It was a vey good response and mental image at that. A good laugh is hard to come by in the morning. Well played vox.
I would even be willing to financially chip in for her plane ticket to the audio recording if the whole procedure was filmed for my viewing enjoyment.

Anonymous Porky February 27, 2015 10:12 AM  

32, childless, alone, and a masters degree in Social and Political Thought.

It's almost time for that inevitable trip to the cat department at Petsmart!

Anonymous Michael Maier February 27, 2015 10:13 AM  

aeou February 27, 2015 10:00 AM
But do calm your tits.


I CANNOT wait to use this phrase in an appropriate moment in RL.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2015 10:13 AM  

Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.

Fine. Female characters will move 30% slower than males (if you have a female character in your party, better put her in the front). Female characters won't be able to pull themselves up to a ledge or roof-top without male assistance. Female characters will need help holding an automatic rifle and controlling the recoil. Female characters will only be able to carry items that weigh 20 lbs or less if they plan on running. Any rope swinging is absolutely out, as well as any activity that requires more than 60lbs of grip strength.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2015 10:15 AM  

@JP - Hilarious. I will laugh for the rest of the day. I wonder if we could get the lyrics?

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 10:15 AM  

The reason the fashion industry likes lanky women is the same reason that a Corvette looks better than a Smart car. It's about the look of the clothes, not the people. The clothes displayed on the runway are not the same clothes that the designers sell to the public.

Blogger CM February 27, 2015 10:16 AM  

Female characters will only be able to carry items that weigh 20 lbs or less if they plan on running. Any rope swinging is absolutely out, as well as any activity that requires more than 60lbs of grip strength.

Lol... even with the option to play a female, you'd never see one in game after that.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 10:22 AM  

"It's almost time for that inevitable trip to the cat department at Petsmart!"

?

My experience is they start collecting cats in college.

Blogger Cecil Henry February 27, 2015 10:22 AM  

Make your own game. And see if people like it.

IF not then shut the hell up.

Anonymous Donn February 27, 2015 10:24 AM  

JDC damn it you beat me to it. All good suggestions. Add she walks funny from a raging yeast infection after being in the field for two days.

Anonymous Steve February 27, 2015 10:26 AM  

Well, it seems noted crazy tranny Brianna Wu's game "Revolution 60" is making games "shitty for women"

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 27, 2015 10:27 AM  

"She wants realistic women moving in realistic ways. Nothing says epic gameplay like watching a fat girl struggle to get up a hill."

If she really wanted to be realistic they could bleed for 1/3 of the time, even when not hit. I had a 4' tall co worker who was almost as wide who could barely walk, and called off sick all the time, that could be hard mode. For realism Vox should do motion capture of Anita swinging a flail, you might get the pain sounds for free, if she can pick it up.

"I don't tell Anita Sarkeesian how to publicly media-whore herself for a living"

Especially since she actually was whoring herself out to media members. I wouldn't either as she has probably given BJs to a wider variety of guys than I have. I keep hearing about all these skilled women and non-Asian minority people that are not being hired maybe they could form their own tech company, oh wait Mooshell's college buddy did that with the company that thankfully screwed up the Canadian gun registry so bad they gave up on it then made the Obamacare website.

Blogger hank.jim February 27, 2015 10:47 AM  

In a realistic war, there would be no women. Problem solved.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 10:48 AM  

I CANNOT wait to use this phrase in an appropriate moment in RL.

You've never heard that before?

Anonymous Rabbi B February 27, 2015 10:50 AM  

"However, her points do serve to demonstrate the utter futility, the utter idiocy, of giving in to her demands."

The 'demands' have nothing to do with improving anything or making anything 'less shitty'. It's all about them at the end of the day, not the quality of the games or anything else. They themselves are the agenda and the only agenda that matters.

For all we know, she may not even believe in her eight suggestions. Doesn't matter, as long as she is able to forward an agenda that is pervasive and destructive, she couldn't be more content. They simply enjoy watching the house burn down.

They are Amalekites, who can't stand the notion that somewhere, anywhere, someone is living in freedom. They are cowards who prey on the weak and defenseless, armed with nothing more than a cell phone and a Twitter account

High time to smash down their altars, burn down their high places, and salt the earth. That will make the world a little 'less shitty' for all of us.

Anonymous p-dawg February 27, 2015 10:54 AM  

And you have to make sure they have D&G purses, or Gucci, at least, because what self-respecting woman would be caught dead with a J.C. Penny's bag?
*barf*

Anonymous Alexander February 27, 2015 11:00 AM  

Realism in World of Warcraft absolutely requires no fatty playable characters. I bloody ran across half a continent with no sustenance but a piece of cheese and a berry of some sort. If I was a chubster at level 3, there's no way I had so much as an ounce of body fat at level 10.

Blogger HMS Defiant February 27, 2015 11:02 AM  

find some new women.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:04 AM  

meh.. the internet is being mean to the entryist little skank. She will shut up and go away like all those other super tough womens.

Anonymous VanDerMerwe February 27, 2015 11:04 AM  

"Have female characters of various body types"

Japanese have that sorted. There are large MILF characters - usually they're evil, there are teenage 16 year olds and then there are lolita characters.

Would Sarkeesian approve of the body shapes represented? It's a variety, alright.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 27, 2015 11:04 AM  

Whatever, SJW's will not win.

What nonsensical suggestions, are these serious?

Leave the men alone, leave their gaming alone, leave everyone alone at the dark souls 2 community too. WRE.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:05 AM  

Realism in World of Warcraft absolutely requires no fatty playable characters. I bloody ran across half a continent with no sustenance but a piece of cheese and a berry of some sort. If I was a chubster at level 3, there's no way I had so much as an ounce of body fat at level 10.

Stop fat shaming!

Besides, we know that they're only fat because of genetics and a thyroid condition...

Blogger JP February 27, 2015 11:05 AM  

Another fine example of realistic women in games

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 27, 2015 11:05 AM  

I saw the line-up chosen for the tough man contest in wheeling wv, the ring girls***

No wonder why my kind wasn't wanted.

Anonymous karsten February 27, 2015 11:06 AM  

There's a reason women's magazines almost exclusively show slender, beautiful women on the covers and in the ads.

I always thought the "women" in fashion magazines were breastless, anorexic epicenes because the gay men who control the industry prefer "women" who look like boys.


Exactly.

The reason the fashion industry likes lanky women is the same reason that a Corvette looks better than a Smart car. It's about the look of the clothes, not the people. The clothes displayed on the runway are not the same clothes that the designers sell to the public.

Actually, Corvettes have curves, hence that's precisely the wrong analogy to apply.

In fact, only gays (and brainwashed women) think clothes look better on anorexic androgynes. To most straight men, clothes look better on women who actually exhibit secondary sex characteristics rather than on flat-chested walking skeletons.

Blogger luagha February 27, 2015 11:06 AM  

"Design a game where rotund, triple chinned, multi-ethnic landwhales participate in athletic and combat-type scenarios"

At least in the comic book world in DC, we have Amanda Waller as a character. She occasionally carries a superscience gun and cleans up messes.

Of course, the black women Hollywood has always gotten to play her are slim and trim.

Blogger CarpeOro February 27, 2015 11:08 AM  

"Smokey, sometimes due to budget constraints the female model will be animated by male animation. Perhaps they did the mocap before they decided to add female models.

The only example I can remember atm is natural selection 2."


Not from my experience, Any Bethesda title the women walk like men. Fortunately, there are plenty of modders who enjoy the games. To be honest, I'd say at least 30% of my general appreciation for the games come from the mods created that improve on the company's release. They take rather bland graphics and bring them to life (the texture improvements are immense), not to mention modders trying to fix code that was left in but turned off when the developers decided it wasn't worth the time (case in point being the civil war portion of Skyrim).

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 27, 2015 11:09 AM  

If asked I'll design plenty of slut gear to send the SJW'in' rabbit ear hamsters spinning.

What's next, would the next suggestion have been level up points for shaving or waxing? What happened to our generation - how did they fall this far?

Anonymous Steve February 27, 2015 11:11 AM  

Rabbi B - They simply enjoy watching the house burn down.

Hmmm. Maybe.

GamerGate has shone a light on some very damaged personalities. Jonathan McIntosh, Anita Sarkeesian's SJW guru, might fall into the "embittered loser who wants to destroy society" category.

Anita herself is just a huckster. She doesn't want the world to burn, she wants money and attention and expensive shoes. If she hadn't fallen in to the SJW crowd she'd be an Amway saleswoman or a Scientology recruiter.

Brianna Wu is simply crazy. Not much to be learned from his emotional problems. There's no greater agenda there, he's psychologically not much different from a toothless homeless man who thinks the CIA is reading his mind.

Leigh Alexander is just an unpleasant racist drunk playing life on the easiest difficulty setting - white, middle class, female - and expecting to be celebrated for it.

Zoe Quinn, or whatever name she's using this week, is a BPD whore who does what whores with BPD do.

I'm convinced that most SJW's no more have a conscious agenda than termites do.

99% of what they say is just duckspeak. It has no real meaning other than to signal to the rest of the nest that the speaker is one of them.

Anonymous karsten February 27, 2015 11:12 AM  

Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.

Fine. Female characters will move 30% slower than males (if you have a female character in your party, better put her in the front). Female characters won't be able to pull themselves up to a ledge or roof-top without male assistance. Female characters will need help holding an automatic rifle and controlling the recoil. Female characters will only be able to carry items that weigh 20 lbs or less if they plan on running. Any rope swinging is absolutely out, as well as any activity that requires more than 60lbs of grip strength.


Exactly. If they want "reality," then give them reality, and put an end to the ludicrous scenario of a 90lb woman "warrior" taking out dozens of trained male fighters twice her size and weight with magic ersatz martial arts.

Give them the reality they claim to want. Give them the reality of relative female weakness, leaving the female characters as damsels in distress who need to be perpetually rescued by the male players. Because that would BE reality.

Anonymous Alexander February 27, 2015 11:12 AM  

You can always tell that these women gamers are not because they only have complaints about top selling games.

There are no women playing paradox games. They simply don't exist. In the paradox forums, every single time a post addresses the other posters, that word is 'gentlemen,...' the assumption is absolute.

But oh, if the women every played them... Crusade r Kings alone has:

Character traits that include 'ugly', 'gluttonous', 'imbecile', and 'homosexual', all of which have an unambiguously negative impact on your dynasty.

A core game mechanic that involves marrying off your women into strategic alliances. For Muslim countries, the rules can have multiple wives, for Pagan ones, you can have concubines - you can even raid other people's land, steal their lands, and then make female prisoners your concubines'. The women are breed machines to enlarge your dynasty.

And no pansying about the fact that the Seljuk and the Fatimid and the Andalusian empires want to plunder Europe.

Which is as it should be for a game that seeks to realistically engineer the 10th to 14th centuries. But it's hilarious to see what's going on when men are playing a game designed for men, programmed by men, and what women are complaining about in the latest blockbuster.

Skimpy bikini has got *nothing* on a game in which the player will spend hours plotting how to assassinate a duke and his entire family save one daughter, and then arranging to become the orphan's ward in order to better arrange her marriage to your cousin.... because Flanders isn't going to annex itself.

Blogger Iowahine February 27, 2015 11:14 AM  

Stickwick: I'm sure there's a biological explanation for it, but the fact is, for entirely non-sexual reasons, we women would much rather look at beautiful women than unattractive ones.

Same reason my straight female friend says she has a crush on Nicole Curtis (The Rehab Addict) and I say I want to be Nicole Curtis: most normal women want and need to be found attractive to fulfill our biological destinies (note: our interest in Nicole is probably also fueled by post-feminist myths about being a successful single mother, which I do not find desirable. In truth, if I could go back, I'd prefer being one of the Duggar girls). The fact that it's completely unrealistic for me to think I'd ever be found as attractive as a women even 15 yours younger - let alone any woman under 25 - is ludicrous, but that underscores the point that it's biologically driven. We want/need to be found attractive long after the blush of youth has passed because of vanity (emotional/biological?) and to stave off abandonment.

This is another good reason to avoid women who actively work against the attributes which heterosexual men find arousing/attractive. As been said here before, there is some sort of mental/emotional defect at play (and which is now actually taught and the basis civilizational suicide) that would cause any human to shoot oneself in the foot.

Anonymous Stickwick February 27, 2015 11:15 AM  

Salt: Guys, most guys that is, could care less about seeing attractive guys.

Physically attractive guys, yes, but I'm guessing a lot of you would get irritated watching a bitchy gamma male, which is the male equivalent of the ugly chick.

But women... they do like seeing attractive women too. I swear, most women have a touch of the lesbian in them... and really, who can blame them?

I don't think that's it. My guess is that it's more solipsism and competitiveness. Most women mentally inject themselves into whatever they're watching and tend to identify with certain roles; we don't want to see ourselves as the ugly woman in the movie. Also, unfortunately, I think there's always going to be a touch of the "mean girl" in every woman, who wants to exclude the ugly girl.

Heh: I always thought the "women" in fashion magazines were breastless, anorexic epicenes because the gay men who control the industry prefer "women" who look like boys.

Yes. However, the point is that they're not fat and dumpy, and they almost always have objectively beautiful faces.

Anyway, none of this is to say that when it's called for by the narrative, we don't ever want to see an unattractive woman in a story. But if there's no compelling reason for it, then, like men, we'd prefer attractive women.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:26 AM  

"she has probably given BJs to a wider variety of guys than I have. "

i LOL'd.

There is no way to not LOL.

Anonymous DNW February 27, 2015 11:27 AM  


"Have female characters of various body types ..."


Why?

Anonymous liljoe February 27, 2015 11:28 AM  

i find that Wheeler bozo equally terrifying

Anonymous Rabbi B February 27, 2015 11:29 AM  

"I'm convinced that most SJW's no more have a conscious agenda than termites do."

What do you have against termites?

The agenda is re-creating society in their own perverted image and then foisting that perverted image on anybody they can, wherever they can, whenever they can, and however they can.

I have to agree with you about the obsessive attention-seeking. Even negative attention is better than no attention at all. At their core, I believe them to be nothing more than base opportunists who will attach themselves to whoever's star is rising, so long as the attachment enables them to promote themselves and garner notice in the marketplace.

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 11:29 AM  

"Corvettes have curves . . ."

So does a Smart car. The Corvette has longer, more drawn out curves. Compare a boattail Auburn, which doesn't have a Coke bottle shape, but has curves, to an Austin 7 if you prefer.

"To most straight men, clothes look better on women who actually exhibit secondary sex characteristics . . ."

Because we are interested in the shape of the women.

Runway clothes aren't even intended to be worn by people. They're an art form. The people who model them are just racks. The clothes that the same designers make to be worn by actual people don't look like the clothes they display on the runway and can make women who look like women look good, because that's what those clothes are designed to do.

Nobody who isn't into "clothing" design as a functionless art should be paying any attention to the runway shows or their models in the first place. I certainly don't care for the stuff or the women, but I can understand it as an abstract.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:31 AM  

"I don't think that's it."

We've covered this a bunch of time. Its not a 'touch' of lesbian. Because lesbianism isn't about liking women its about hating men.

But women in generally are all bi to at least a small degree. This makes conservative chicks very uncomfortable... but never the less it is an undeniable biological fact.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 27, 2015 11:32 AM  

Look we all know this list is a business formula for disaster.

The question is, will the gamma male game devs follow her orders anyway?

I think the majors are already giving in. Lara Croft looked sort of pretty in the last Tomb Raider game. But lets face it. The sexy, cool girl in a tank top and hot shorts was banished. She also had an assortment of friends with her that you could find at any ANSWER protest. So Square Enix has thrown in the towel

Then there is, (good lord), Dragon Age Inquisition. After Bioware was scooped up by EA, they found a SJW hole and dug in.

Upside, Polish game devs don't seem to have given in yet. Shadow Warrior was everything I could have hoped for, including hot twin assassins in skin tight armor, that walked sexily away from Lo Wang.

I don't ask for a lot. Hot assassins in skin tight armor and I'm happy.

Blogger Bogey February 27, 2015 11:35 AM  

The people who model them are just racks.
Pretty much, although Vox once stated his desire for snake hipped women, too each their own I guess.

Anonymous Jill February 27, 2015 11:36 AM  

Really tall, thin women have elegant bone structures for and are thus photogenic. It's all about shadows and light and creating an illusion.

I don't understand the SJW aspect of gaming, in any case. It's a marketed product. It makes no sense to demand that games conform; products largely conform to what the market wants OR they create a new market because they're innovative. Even innovation requires an understanding of human psychology and what people want. I hope these people are designing their own great products to bring to market. Otherwise, what is the point of demanding? First principles...a lack of understanding of first principles is why social justice types scatter when resources become scarce. They no longer have anything to mimic.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:36 AM  

The question is, will the gamma male game devs follow her orders anyway?

No

Anonymous BioShock Jock February 27, 2015 11:38 AM  

The only good female video game maker I can think of offhand is the woman who created and writes and directs the Uncharted series of games, Amy Hennig, I dig those games and they've sold well. As far as female protagonists in games go, I've always been a fan of Lara Croft in the Tomb Raider series. Other than that... video games is mostly an all boys club, since that's who mainly plays them. It's too bad Vox wasn't featured as a character in the Law & Order SVU Gamergate TV episode. Woulda been righteous. I heard Brianna Wu whining on NPR about the episode and I'll be damned if she didn't sound just like a transgendered woman.

Anonymous Randy M February 27, 2015 11:38 AM  

What they want is for characters to look like average, or even slobby women, but perform like the most freakishly athletic women, while attracting men like the hottest supermodels. Because that would be realistic.

Blogger Bogey February 27, 2015 11:38 AM  

"Eight things developers can do to make games less shitty for women."
Such an elegant young lady, no.

She should just admit that she wants all women to look and behave like Bull Dykes in games and movies.

Blogger Bogey February 27, 2015 11:40 AM  

I heard Brianna Wu whining on NPR about the episode and I'll be damned if she didn't sound just like a transgendered woman.

I think she was just happy to be mistaken for a women during this whole thing.

Anonymous DNW February 27, 2015 11:41 AM  

" Runway clothes aren't even intended to be worn by people. They're an art form. The people who model them are just racks. The clothes that the same designers make to be worn by actual people don't look like the clothes they display on the runway and can make women who look like women look good, because that's what those clothes are designed to do.

Nobody who isn't into "clothing" design as a functionless art should be paying any attention to the runway shows or their models in the first place. I certainly don't care for the stuff or the women, but I can understand it as an abstract."



That first sentence caused me to laugh. And I guess you may be right. They are obviously not trying to attract the attention of heterosexual males to some nubile form beneath the drapery ... not at that point in the sales pitch.


One of the older and often cited "studies" on this issue. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4953-barbieshaped-women-more-fertile.html

Anonymous Randy M February 27, 2015 11:44 AM  

Square enix makes tomb raider now?

Blogger IM2L844 February 27, 2015 11:44 AM  

she didn't sound just like a transgendered woman.

She didn't sound like any kind of a woman. He sounded just like a man who was trying very hard to sound like a woman and naturally missing the mark.

Anonymous buzzcut February 27, 2015 11:47 AM  

If you're taking down names, I would like to volunteer for Anita's realistic pain audio recording. I can even bring my own Orc sword. It's from Louisville.

Blogger Feather Blade February 27, 2015 11:48 AM  

If she really wanted to be realistic they could bleed for 1/3 of the time, even when not hit.

It's only a quarter of the time, TYVM.

Besides, that would exclude (or something) women with reproductive disorders or hysterectomies or penises, for whom (I am sure) Sarkeesian would insist on representation.

...echth. I feel dirty just typing that.

Anonymous Steve February 27, 2015 11:49 AM  

Rabbi B - The agenda is re-creating society in their own perverted image and then foisting that perverted image on anybody they can, wherever they can

Definitely.

Not that it really matters one way or t'other, but I don't think most SJW's are conscious of it though. For most of them it seems to be more of an atavistic hatred of successful people / longing to conform / ostentatious moral oneupmanship / projection of their fee-fees.

Does the average SJW actually want what their childish posturing would indicate they want though? I.e. a world in which capitalism has been destroyed and the State stands as a triumphant colossus over the impoverished, but gratifyingly diverse, multitudes?

I doubt it, because revealed preferences. SJW's want Starbucks and iProducts and chic boho apartments.

Like the looter class in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, they don't understand the connection between their demands and everything going to shit. They assume that, somehow, the hated white male cisgendered capitalist will always be there to produce the goodies and surplus wealth and protection on which the SJW's depend.

It's less of a boot stamping on a human face forever, more like a spoilt Veruca Salt screaming and trying to throttle a goose into laying more golden eggs.

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 11:53 AM  

"She should just admit that she wants all women to look and behave like Bull Dykes in games and movies."

She has seen those in games and movies and attacks them as Men With Tits.

The reason she won't design a game that meets her standards is because she knows damned well that her standards are unachievable. Any game she designed would be open to her own criticisms.

She doesn't want to change games, she wants to be a bitch and make people debase themselves trying to dance to her tune without a rhythm.

Blogger Desiderius February 27, 2015 11:54 AM  

Bogey,

"I heard Brianna Wu whining on NPR"

At this point, I have to ask "what fucking nation?"

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 11:55 AM  

" . . .they don't understand the connection between their demands and everything going to shit."

Some of them do. Very much so. Everything going to shit is what they are after.

Anonymous Eli February 27, 2015 11:57 AM  

From what I understand (and I could be wrong) though is that a lot of developers ARE paying attention to her and her "kind." Sometimes I think it's the end of gaming. She might get her wish. At that point I'll stop playing. Bah, another thing ruined.

Blogger Desiderius February 27, 2015 11:58 AM  

'I don't think most SJW's are conscious of it though"

No, it's pretty conscious. Look up the stuff on Silverstring Media. It's not a conspiracy theory when they advertise the conspiracy in broad daylight with signatories and everything.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:58 AM  

Some of them do. Very much so. Everything going to shit is what they are after.

No, they don't. Witness the San Francisco bookstore and the Austin property tax lady.

Blogger Desiderius February 27, 2015 12:00 PM  

jill,

"It's a marketed product."

Silverstring's expressed purpose is to destroy the market to make room for feminist games. Really. Look it up.

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 27, 2015 12:07 PM  

Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.

I do like how she made a point of distinguishing between women, soldiers and athletes.

Anonymous Scintan February 27, 2015 12:10 PM  

Making a game with exactly the rules this woman wants would actually be an excellent example of proving the point.

The women would be slower than the men
The women would have much slower reactions times than the men
The fat women would be even slower than normal women.

If you designed the game properly, you could kill off every woman in their first fight or two. Then, when the cries of "unfair" came out, you could point out that you gave them what they wanted, and that they didn't want realism after all.

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 12:11 PM  

"Witness the San Francisco bookstore and the Austin property tax lady."

I'm not talking about the hordes of useful idiots. Look at Silverstring as Desiderius suggests. Look at the backchatter among academics who aren't paying attention to the fact that we can pay attention to what they are saying.

They are perfectly aware that what they are doing is causing everything to go to shit, and are doing it in order to cause that end. Because everything going to shit is what creates Utopia, somehow.

It's straightforward Marxist theory.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 27, 2015 12:17 PM  

Make your own game. And see if people like it.

How are women supposed to find the time to make a game when they are so busy being outraged by dongle jokes? We've got to keep our priorities straight.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 27, 2015 12:20 PM  

The people who model them are just racks.

Considering the build of the women, perhaps a different word is in order.

Blogger Mekadave February 27, 2015 12:21 PM  

Anita herself is just a huckster. She doesn't want the world to burn, she wants money and attention and expensive shoes. If she hadn't fallen in to the SJW crowd she'd be an Amway saleswoman or a Scientology recruiter.

Absolutely true. Before she and Mcintosh went after gaming, they used to be in multi-level marketing. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction:

http://youtu.be/kaPbgNVuaEI

Anonymous kfg February 27, 2015 12:28 PM  

"Considering the build of the women, perhaps a different word is in order."

Touché.

"She doesn't want the world to burn, she wants money . . ."

It occurred to me after I hit "publish" that I should have appended "and get paid for it" to my above comment. Gold hoops don't grow on trees ya know.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2015 12:41 PM  

"Let's see, she wants games to present more fat black women wearing more than lingerie.

Essentially, she wants to turn gaming into an online version of a Chicago Wal-Mart."

People of Walmart, the game. Make it a mod for GTA V. Mission one, get through the store in one piece on the first of the month.

I have a feeling that Anita would not pick a female panda or dwarf as her first character in WoW.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 12:48 PM  

People of Walmart, the game. Make it a mod for GTA V. Mission one, get through the store in one piece on the first of the month.

And the final mission is Black Friday

Blogger frigger611 February 27, 2015 12:59 PM  

The only reason I ever played Tomb Raider in the first place was because she was smoking hot. Watching her crawl around and push 10 ton boulders was satisfying, somehow. If she were a fat slob with a protruding fupa I'm betting sales might have declined by roughly 100%.

Blogger Corvinus February 27, 2015 1:00 PM  

Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")

Well, I guess that J.K. Rowling is on Sarskeezyan's stink list due to the Weasleys.

Blogger Bogey February 27, 2015 1:36 PM  

Women of color? Watch Total Biscuit's review of this mismanaged game.

Anita Sarkeesian is a curator on Steam and recommends games no one wants to play.

There's also this gem goo.gl/2HggiY

Anonymous kh123 February 27, 2015 1:37 PM  

"If [Sarkeesian] hadn't fallen in to the SJW crowd she'd be an Amway saleswoman or a Scientology recruiter."

General saying regarding line producers: They'd be just as content with a uniform, clipboard, and ushering folks into railroad cars. Job is made easier with every train being eastbound and one way.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 27, 2015 1:43 PM  

" Nate February 27, 2015 11:31 AM
"I don't think that's it."

We've covered this a bunch of time. Its not a 'touch' of lesbian. Because lesbianism isn't about liking women its about hating men.

But women in generally are all bi to at least a small degree. This makes conservative chicks very uncomfortable... but never the less it is an undeniable biological fact. "



It's actually worse than that.

I saw a study where the researchers hooked up men's and women's body parts to detect the physiological response of arousal and then showed them photos of various sexual things.

The majority of men responded as straight hetero. Show them an attractive woman and there was arousal of one degree or another. Show them a photo of just men and no reaction. Show them a photo of animals copulating and no reaction.

Now the women, it didn't matter who was in the photo. If there was sex going on then they were aroused, that's men, women, animals, straight and gay.

Questioned later as to whether they thought they were aroused by any particular photo and the men's answers aligned 100% with what they were actually physically aroused by.

Women on the other hand, looking at the numbers one would think that women have little idea what actually turns them on. Meaning they will say that watching apes mating or lesbian sex doesn't arouse them but the instruments tell a different story, as much engorgement and lubrication as watching human hetero sex.

Women can get aroused by just about anything it seems. My take away from this, if you want a woman to be aroused then a man's strong willed expectation of arousal on her part is enough to elicit said response.

I got the link to the study at Chateau Heartiste.
I'll try to find the link.

Blogger JDC February 27, 2015 1:51 PM  

Scintan: If you designed the game properly, you could kill off every woman in their first fight or two.

Good form suggests however, that you save some for the Number Six Dance later on.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 27, 2015 2:07 PM  

"I heard Brianna Wu whining on NPR about the episode and I'll be damned if she didn't sound just like a transgendered woman." - BioShock Jock

Whenever I hear one of those "he-shes" talking,my first impression is that I'm hearing Herman Munster trying his level best to sound feminine and failing hilariously.

Anonymous Supernaut February 27, 2015 3:05 PM  

"I always thought the "women" in fashion magazines were breastless, anorexic epicenes because the gay men who control the industry prefer "women" who look like boys."

"Yes. However, the point is that they're not fat and dumpy, and they almost always have objectively beautiful faces."


One aspect of the feminist critique of the Pay-Tree-Arrrr-ky that is somewhat accurate, is the complaint of unrealistic portrayals of women in the media. They just have the reasons for it all wrong. It's not because evil white males are seeking to exploit the poor dears as sex objects, but because the evil stock holders of the corporations that rely on advertisement-inspired insecurity of the female id to SELL SELL SELL.

The point is to portray a fairly unreasonable ideal of beauty and weight that 90% of the female population could never achieve, to play off of their normal insecurities and self-consciousness, so as to sell the numerous products advertised in the magazines. It's selling women the fantasy that they too could achieve the fabulous look of the cover girls if only they used the advertised concealer, lip gloss, shampoo, conditioner, mascara, eye shadow, fingernail polish, exfoilant facial scrub, moisturizer and feminine hygiene products. Don't forget the endless advertisements for diet, health food products, cleansing routines, diet counseling, and largely useless exercise machines and gimmickry.

And if these don't work, well then buying the brand-name bling, coach purses and CK sunglasses will at least give them the feeling of being one of the glamorous.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 3:18 PM  

6. Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.
With or without the tentacles?

Blogger CarpeOro February 27, 2015 3:18 PM  

"Same reason my straight female friend says she has a crush on Nicole Curtis (The Rehab Addict) and I say I want to be Nicole Curtis: most normal women want and need to be found attractive to fulfill our biological destinies (note: our interest in Nicole is probably also fueled by post-feminist myths about being a successful single mother, which I do not find desirable. In truth, if I could go back, I'd prefer being one of the Duggar girls)."

I happened to watch a bit of the show last night myself out of curiosity (I am from the Detroit area originally). Sorry, but the only men likely to find her attractive would be:

1) family
2) husband (wife goggles)
3) men in their 60s on up because younger

Other than that, I appreciated she was fit, but she is past the point of interest for me (I'll be fifty in a couple of months). Simple male versus female interest filter. She isn't likely to any better off than you.

Anonymous Rhys February 27, 2015 3:59 PM  

Obviously we need to make the female characters as realistic as possible. Henceforth all female characters in games will:

1. Do half the damage per hit their male counterparts do
2. Be slower than male characters
3. Take more damage per hit than their male characters

I can just see everyone fighting each other to play the weaker, slower character. Who doesn't want to hold the team back?

Anonymous Mr. A is Mr. A February 27, 2015 7:30 PM  

Athor Pel February 27, 2015 1:43 PM
"I got the link to the study at Chateau Heartiste.
I'll try to find the link."


These may be what you are referencing:
PsychCentral Article
Springer (downloadable PDF of journal article)

OT: appears to be an Anonymous Conservative-related abstract here: Men and women differ in amygdala response to visual sexual stimuli

Blogger Feather Blade February 27, 2015 7:41 PM  

People of Walmart, the game.

That... that might actually have a market. Especially if you use the pictures from the PoW site for character models.

You could go around jacking mobility scooters from fat people...

Anonymous Steve February 27, 2015 9:12 PM  

"Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move."

You mean animate them so that 3/4's of them can't throw a grenade far enough to avoid fragging themselves and their squad, like normal women "soldiers"?

Careful what you wish for.If men accurately portray the pathetic showing that women make at sports, combat, etc, you'll be begging us to turn them into "sex objects" from now on.

Anonymous the slippery slope February 27, 2015 9:25 PM  

"However, her points do serve to demonstrate the utter futility, the utter idiocy, of giving in to her demands. First the complaint was that there weren't any women. Now the complaint is that there aren't enough women, they aren't dressed right, they're the wrong color, they don't walk in the approved fashion, they make the wrong noises, and so on. It never ends."

Unlike the conservatives of the 60s going on about the slippery slope of gay liberation, you don't even have to think of any future scenarios. First characters should be women, then there's the Bechdel test, then that's just not enough and of course the want to make GTA have a female protagonist.

Anonymous Steve February 27, 2015 10:33 PM  

"We've covered this a bunch of time. Its not a 'touch' of lesbian. Because lesbianism isn't about liking women its about hating men.

But women in generally are all bi to at least a small degree. This makes conservative chicks very uncomfortable... but never the less it is an undeniable biological fact."

Men's sexuality,primary and secondary aspects:
Objective-The man is attracted to the woman's body.
Subjective-The man is attracted to the act of penetrating the willing woman and obtaining an orgasm with her.The orgasm itself signifies nothing other than physical pleasure.The consent of the woman signifies perhaps a sanctioned freedom from the restraint or restriction of the established heirarchy subconsciously,because the obtainment of consent for reproduction allows a man to move horizontally socially, an option that he is not born with or allowed to exercise to the extent that women are.A horizontal move is much easier than attempting to "climb the ladder" of society is,for a man.To illustrate what I mean,think of the process that a mafia "goomba" would have to go through to become the "Don" of that mafia family. He would have to kill the Don, and because he did so, the other goombas or the "Don's" blood relatives would try to kill him. Eventually one of them would succeed because he and his habits and the locations where he spends most of his time are presumably known to them,being a low-level member of their organization.

But if he was able to start his own mafia, then he would have the advantage of knowing all of his former associates personally, and perhaps where to look for them. As the head of his own unit,others would sacrifice on his and the unit's behalf. He would have a much better chance of accomplishing his goal of becoming the "Don" of a mafia and being able to kill his old Don and anyone they would send after him.This is why feminists err so badly with the slogan "teach men not to rape". I think it is more like one has to teach a man to rape in the first place.If a woman's consent signifies that a man is sanctioned to move horizontally socially allowing a much easier vertical climb on a less populated ladder and minimizing his personal risks,raping the woman would signify (rightly) going to the bottom of the ladder and being spat on while trying to climb up it.

Women's sexuality,primary and secondary aspects:
Subjective-The woman is attracted to the concept of a high-value female being penetrated,with at least some aspects of capture,struggle, and eventual surrender to a high-value and aggressive man which overpowers the woman's feeble or token resistance.This back and forth may play out physically,or socially,or rarely,intellectually. Sex is looked at as crude teledrama,the man's orgasm symbolizes the plot device called catharsis,the woman's orgasm symbolizes closure or resolution of the drama.

Objective-The woman is attracted to her own or another woman's body. Women are primarily autogynephiliac,secondarily lesbian or bisexual.

Blogger Iowahine February 28, 2015 7:00 AM  

CarpeOro:

1) family
2) husband (wife goggles)
3) men in their 60s on up because younger

That makes sense. I've been intrigued by other's women's lives and have coveted the appeal I perceive those women as having, which in the world of females probably translates to power.

OpenID 94134 July 07, 2015 9:26 PM  

don't think square given in the towel I think crystal dynamics tried to ride the SJW warrior hype train to mask the blatant copying everything uncharted down to the banishment of the pinup lara croft and obbession with guns. Now I honestly think there fucked the hype for the next tomb raider is down right anemic . no one care about Lara croft coming over her own . and frankly it an Xbox one exclusively killing any capacity to make back it money via cross platforms . Ahd honestly I doubt it stuck people identify laura croft by her iconic guns and blue t-shirt pony tail and angelina jolie lips . Average generic/brown skinny white girls is Not Lara crosft.

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