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Saturday, February 28, 2015

CPAC results

25.7            Sen. Rand Paul
21.4            Gov. Scott Walker
11.5            Sen. Ted Cruz
11.4            Dr. Ben Carson
8.3             Former Gov. Jeb Bush
4.3             Former Sen. Rick Santorum
3.7             Sen. Marco Rubio
3.5             Donald Trump
3.0             Carly Fiorina
2.8             Gov. Chris Christie
1.1             Former Gov. Rick Perry

One the one hand, it's clear that conservatives have no patience for another "electable" moderate who will lose the general election. On the other hand, 11.4 percent for an anti-gun token black candidate indicates that a lot of them are still more concerned about being called racists than they are about winning elections.

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Anonymous Ostar February 28, 2015 6:20 PM  

Jeb Bush bussed in supporters who don't normally go to CPAC, which explains his comparatively high numbers imo. They cheered the parts of his speech where he supported amnesty. It was nausea-inducing.

Anonymous Daniel February 28, 2015 6:23 PM  

Cruz-Carson-Bush-Santorum-Rubio-Trump-Fiorina-Christie-Perry totals nearly 50%.

That tells me that the GOP has at least half of its membership completely opposed to the right wing, including moderate conservatives.

OpenID mattse001 February 28, 2015 6:27 PM  

Some said 50% of the audience was under 25, and Jeb had bused in astro-turf supporters. In the end, the noteworthy news was Walker's 2nd place finish. If you add up 1st and 2nd choices, Paul only won by 2%.
Walker will be the nominee, and will crush Hillary like an old, wrinkled, corrupt grape.

Anonymous Difster February 28, 2015 6:32 PM  

Is the CPAC even a decent measure of Republican sentiment?

I must admit, it's surprising to see Rick Perry rank even lower than Chris Christie.

Even so, voting no longer matters and I won't be participating in the next round of Federal elections. None of the above mentioned people is actually representing my interests.

Anonymous Will Best February 28, 2015 6:32 PM  

Why didn't Jeff Sessions pull 10%?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 28, 2015 6:35 PM  

I thought the same thing.

F*cking conservatives.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 6:37 PM  

The one big thing Ben Carson has going for him is he's a Seventh Day Adventist. If you've ever spent time with them you know those people take their religion very, very seriously. I would be absolutely shocked if there are any skeletons in his closet. So at least we're not looking at another Herman Cain situation.

Anonymous Will Best February 28, 2015 6:39 PM  

I suppose I could live with Scott Walker.
1) He attended a midwest school (albeit private) Marquette instead of Ivy League. But he dropped out once he realized he didn't need it
2) He busted public unions as governor

He is in the give illegals, legal status but keep them second class and make them wait until their children can sponsor them as citizens camp, but that is about as radical as the GOP gets anymore.

Blogger SamuraiJack February 28, 2015 6:39 PM  

I would love for Rand to be the nominee. However the NWO money men will never allow that to happen. He would be a threat to the central banking/mil industrial complex. Ain't gonna happen as much as it pains me to say so.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 6:47 PM  

Does anyone else notice something alarming? None of these people has served in the military. The only one who comes close is Ben Carson who got offered a scholarship to West Point. This may be the first time in a very long time where neither candidate has any military experience.

Blogger dw February 28, 2015 6:49 PM  

That's good news. The neocons and RINOs at CPAC hatehatehate actual conservatives, which means it'll probably be Jeb Bush that gets the nomination. That is...if conservatives and Republicans let them. Maybe enough Boomers have died off so that Xers and white Millennials (who went majority for Romney last time) can actually get somebody other than a worthless liberal moderate this time.

Rand Paul is my first choice. If Scott Walker gets the nomination, I'd consider him, but if neither of them get it then I'm just writing Rand in.

OpenID simplytimothy February 28, 2015 6:53 PM  

Obama will force a hot war on American soil before the next election.
The GOPe will support his temporary third term.
The FedGov will lose that war and our Republic will start the process of the restoration.

Funny, it doesn't feel strange at all to type those sentences.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 6:53 PM  

The one big thing Ben Carson has going for him is he's a Seventh Day Adventist.

He doesn't have that going for him. He doesn't have anything going for him. He's a bigger joke than Hermann Cain was.

Anonymous Conservative February 28, 2015 6:58 PM  

Rand for prez. Nor more establishment boomers, they have done enough damage for several generations.

Blogger dw February 28, 2015 7:02 PM  

"He doesn't have that going for him. He doesn't have anything going for him. He's a bigger joke than Hermann Cain was."

It's the typical Republican "get out of racist free" candidate, only he's even more of a closet-liberal than Herman Cain. Sure, he's a black doctor.....and? Since when has putting forward a black "Republican" EVER stopped the left from calling the GOP racist?

Anonymous MrGreenMan February 28, 2015 7:04 PM  

Can you imagine Herman Cain for president? The man invented the single slice! 9-9-9. I liked that he seemed simple; it was a form of moral clarity; I figured guile was beyond him. Ben Carson is less appealing every time he talks.

Blogger dw February 28, 2015 7:09 PM  

"Nor more establishment boomers"

See, the thing about the Left is they very much want to put forward the message that the young, in this case Millennials, are on their side and always have been. But they're not. If Rand Paul was the candidate, he'd get the youth vote in numbers unseen since Reagan. It was young Xers that defied expectations and went gung-ho for Reagan in the 80s. Everybody "knew" that the young only go Democrat....except when they don't. Millennials will go for Rand Paul in much the same fashion that Xers went for Reagan. He got to them early on and sold them on libertarianism, which makes him problematic for the Left as the Left is supposed to be the "cool party", not the Right.

Times are changing, thanks in part to the changing generational landscape, Ron Paul bringing libertarianism to the forray, the Internet, the rise of Xers in politics, and Obama's disastrous handling of the Second Great Depression.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 7:21 PM  

Regardless of whether he would have won, let's not forget that Herman Cain was doing fantastic in the polls before his fall from grace. People genuinely liked him, me included. I don't see the same happening to Carson if he gains momentum. All I can say at this point is I genuinely like the man. I get a good read off of him; he doesn't seem like he's full of shit.

Blogger S1AL February 28, 2015 7:35 PM  

I also like Carson. Having read his statements on guns, I wouldn't describe him as "anti-gun" so much as gun-shy. Considering that an anti-gun democrat with a Senate majority couldn't get traction, I'm honestly not worried about that.

And having a black candidate is more than just "look we're not racist." Bush got an extra 15-20% out of the Hispanic voters just by speaking Spanish.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 7:36 PM  

Carson also supports forced vaccination. Unacceptable.

Blogger dw February 28, 2015 7:40 PM  

"Carson also supports forced vaccination. Unacceptable."

Not just no...

Blogger S1AL February 28, 2015 7:42 PM  

I also like Carson. Having read his statements on guns, I wouldn't describe him as "anti-gun" so much as gun-shy. Considering that an anti-gun democrat with a Senate majority couldn't get traction, I'm honestly not worried about that.

And having a black candidate is more than just "look we're not racist." Bush got an extra 15-20% out of the Hispanic voters just by speaking Spanish.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 7:47 PM  

Honestly, I think we're at a critical point in history when it comes to the resurgence of Islam as a world power. I'd much rather have someone in there that I can trust to call the enemy's bluff like Reagan could than someone I agree with on every single domestic issue. I'm not sure any of the potential candidates fit the bill.

Anonymous Clay February 28, 2015 7:57 PM  

The "Paul's" are a whore done well. You're finished, kick her ass out of your room at Best 8.

Gimme a break.

Anonymous Will Best February 28, 2015 8:09 PM  

I'd much rather have someone in there that I can trust to call the enemy's bluff like Reagan could than someone I agree with on every single domestic issue.

That is the distraction. If the domestic house was in order, there would be no threat from Islam because it would be on the other side of the planet and by the time it became a concern of ours Europe would have solved the problem.

Anonymous Orville February 28, 2015 8:14 PM  

I wonder if we will make it to the 2016 elections before the great war starts. While Nemtsov was just a politician turned reporter, the assassination still brings Sarajevo and the archduke to mind. Somebody is hellbent on starting a war.

Anonymous roo_ster February 28, 2015 8:15 PM  

Carson has walked back his apostasy on the RKBA. Not sure if it is mere political posturing or if he did not give the issue much thought before. I would suspect the latter. Still, Carson is not POTUS material this go 'round. VPOTUS at most and more likely a cabinet secretary is his best use.

Perry is the very definition of "moderate conservative," despite the wails of anguish from Texas Democrats.

Rand is not a serious candidate until he gets some executive experience. Have him call back after he has run the state of Kentucky for a term or two. And he is all-in for replacing Americans with third-world un-assimilable peasants who despise us and our traditions.

Perry and Walker have both beat Democrats like a red-headed step-child in their states. Perry for 15 years, Walker for fewer years (though Walker did it in blue/purple Wisconsin--impressive).

Jindal could use some more seasoning.

If you look further down-list, John McCain's Mini-Me got 0.1pct. That is like 30 supporters. They must all share the same hair product as Sen Graham.

Anonymous Clay February 28, 2015 8:20 PM  

I hear that rubbing your head against wooly crotches will produce that effect.

Anonymous Catholic Monarchist February 28, 2015 8:22 PM  

Pah, all warmongering neocons. Rand is worst of the bunch, traitor and hypocrite.
The only anti-war vote is for Hillary.
The only anti-bankster vote is for Hillary.
The only anti-neocon vote is for Hillary.

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2015 8:29 PM  

> The only anti-war vote is for Hillary.
The only anti-bankster vote is for Hillary.
The only anti-neocon vote is for Hillary.

I'm trying to figure out if that's satire or serious. It's so hard to tell anymore.

Anonymous Red Comet February 28, 2015 8:31 PM  

Race trumps all else in the current culture. The Pubs in charge and even the voters know this and that's why there's some support for a black candidate.

Unfortunately for this train of thought, black pubs are "sellouts" and "Uncle Toms" and won't get any of the black vote or that sweet social protection from all criticism that Obama and others like him enjoy.

For anyone still in denial about this consider the previous black presidential candidate hopeful Herman Cain. The Democrats (and their allies in the media) were so afraid to lose the complete racial edge Obama gave them that they cooked up multiple sex scandals to force Cain out.

I still remember Jon "Anti-Racist" Stewart Leibowitz running down Cain with extremely racist Stepin Fetchit impersonations that would have gotten any other white comedian fired and publicly condemned.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 8:34 PM  

You have to take Ben Carson with a grain of salt... as virtually no one realizes he is a psycho anti-gun liberal.

Blogger Cinco February 28, 2015 8:39 PM  

I am trying to find a reason to dislike Walker... If Paul gets the nomination, I can look forward to voting for the first time in my life in the general election.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 8:44 PM  

we'll know if a republican is serious about winning soon enough. To beat Hillary... all one has to do is hang her with her own noose. ISIS.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 8:47 PM  

"Pah, all warmongering neocons. Rand is worst of the bunch, traitor and hypocrite."

fancy that.. an american that self-applies the word monarchist calling someone else a treasonous hypocrite.

Yep... the kettle is black all right. No question.

Blogger Doom February 28, 2015 8:51 PM  

Some hope, I guess. Not that I trust the top two, just a bit more than the others, slightly. They will change in office. Is there a nut-grinder in the oval office or what? Perhaps it is the polishing of those that comes with the office. Then again, I can't be certain CPAC numbers mean any more than a straw poll. It's who you brung, not you, at these things. I guess Jeb just couldn't borrow enough of Zero's buses to bring in enough useful idiots? Bleh. Not my game anymore. I just stay in my cage, eat bananas, and throw shit at those stupid enough to think I'm cute and so approach. Yum!

Anonymous Heaviside February 28, 2015 9:13 PM  

>an american that self-applies the word monarchist calling someone else a treasonous hypocrite.

If you think it's treasonous to support a different form of government then all you are saying is that you think America is not a place or a people but an idiotic system. How can you consider yourself patriotic if you don't even have a patria?

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:18 PM  

Rand is the only one worth supporting

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:19 PM  

This may be the first time in a very long time where neither candidate has any military experience.

Which branch of the military did Romney or Obama serve in?

Blogger Chris Mallory February 28, 2015 9:19 PM  

"I am trying to find a reason to dislike Walker."

He is a yankee, that is all the reason I need.

I am hoping that Webb can pull a dark horse on the Democrat side. A Webb/Paul independant slate would be the best of all worlds.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 28, 2015 9:22 PM  

"Which branch of the military did Romney serve in?"

He stormed the cafes of Paris as a member of the 1st Mormon Magic Underwear Brigade.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:24 PM  

we'll know if a republican is serious about winning soon enough. To beat Hillary... all one has to do is hang her with her own noose. ISIS.

ISIS will probably be irrelevant by the 2016 general election because it will have been wiped out by then.

ISIS would not exist if Bush had not invaded Iraq.

Blogger Zimri February 28, 2015 9:27 PM  

Seventh-Day Adventists keep the true Sabbath. I respect them for that.

Carson the man is another matter. If he gets a Democrat Congress, and some nutter shoots up a school - do we trust Carson *not* to sign a "popular" bill this Congress sends him?

I don't.

Blogger Zimri February 28, 2015 9:30 PM  

Seventh-Day Adventists keep the true Sabbath. I respect them for that.

Carson the man is another matter. If he gets a Democrat Congress, and some nutter shoots up a school - do we trust Carson *not* to sign a "popular" bill this Congress sends him?

I don't.

Anonymous watermelon pie February 28, 2015 9:34 PM  

So which one of those GOP candidates is willing to represent the interests of the GOP base, ie. white people? LOL

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 9:35 PM  

@ Nate

we'll know if a republican is serious about winning soon enough. To beat Hillary... all one has to do is hang her with her own noose. ISIS.

C'mon man!
She was complicit in the rape and murder of an American diplomat and the destruction of an American embassy, while consorting with Muslim Brotherhood members, just like her Boss does, and she was not tried for treason, or even threatened with assassination.

She was right to scream "What difference does it make!"
Nobody in power really gives a crap. ISIS is just another tool in the toolbox, and more than one plumber gets to use it.

The Great Unwashed have been trained to sneer at "conspiracy theories" ever since the CIA popularized the term in the 60's. The voting population have a "get out of truth free" card so they don't get too agitated.

All this circus is just jockeying for position to be an approved candidate of the Bankergarchy. If you make the cut, you get to compete to see if you get to be told what to do.

Why are plebes even concerned about this circus?

Blogger rcocean February 28, 2015 9:37 PM  

So the one Conservative that stands against illegal immigration gets 11% while the two posers - Walker and Paul - get 45%! Even non-Conservatives like Bush III and Christie, et al get a total vote of almost 20%. Look for another GOP loss in 2016, conservatives are stuck on stupid.

Blogger maniacprovost February 28, 2015 9:37 PM  

"Rand is not a serious candidate until he gets some executive experience. Have him call back after he has run the state of Kentucky for a term or two. "

Experience, organizational leadership, and and ability to make decisions affecting physical reality are no longer requirements for POTUS. Rand is better looking than his father and that's why he is a serious candidate. If not this time, next time.

Blogger rcocean February 28, 2015 9:38 PM  

Oh course how conservative is CPAC? They certainly fell in line behind Dole, McCain and Romney.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:38 PM  

So the one Conservative that stands against illegal immigration gets 11% while the two posers - Walker and Paul - get 45%!

Cruz wants a massive guest worker program

Blogger rcocean February 28, 2015 9:39 PM  

Of course if you're always willing to accept a non-Conservative because of blah, blah, blah, you'll not only end of losing - even when you win you lose.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:39 PM  

Rand is not a serious candidate until he gets some executive experience.

Define serious

Blogger rcocean February 28, 2015 9:40 PM  

Cruz wants a massive guest program? So what? Paul and Walker want Amnesty.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 9:41 PM  

Cruz is, unfortunately, firmly in the camp of military adventurism in foreign lands. He favors providing military hardware to the Kiev government and further antagonizing Russia.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 9:41 PM  

"Rand is not a serious candidate until he gets some executive experience."

What executive experience did Obama have?

Or for that matter... any US Senator that has ever run for President?

Or... to put differently...

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:42 PM  

Cruz wants a massive guest program? So what? Paul and Walker want Amnesty.

Please explain how a guest worker program is not a form of amnesty

Anonymous Wyrd February 28, 2015 9:43 PM  

Fudge a Rand Paul. That creepy-ass cracker ran down to Ferguson to kiss NAACP ass before Eric (Holder) The Red was briefed.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 9:43 PM  

"She was right to scream "What difference does it make!"
Nobody in power really gives a crap. ISIS is just another tool in the toolbox, and more than one plumber gets to use it."

***chuckle***

ISIS is not a consiracy theory mate. Everyone admits already that we trained them and we provided the hardware for them. Benghazi was certainly part of her version of Charlie Wilson's War Part Deux but only part.

ISIS is the biggest US foreign policy fuckup since Viet Nam.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 9:47 PM  

"Which branch of the military did Romney serve in?"

In all honesty, I completely forgot that Romney even existed before I made that military service comment. That's how forgettable he was.

Anonymous Comodys February 28, 2015 9:50 PM  

Rand is a yankee and a disgrace to his father's good name. Guy sucks Isreal cock.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 9:55 PM  

"ISIS will probably be irrelevant by the 2016 general election because it will have been wiped out by then."

I think that's underestimating the extent of the problem. With every gain that ISIS makes, Islam in general is becoming more emboldened to restore some form of the Caliphate. I don't see ISIS being stamped out unless the Europeans engage in some kind of serious invasion of parts of the Middle East, especially once ISIS starts making good on their promises to invade them, and that has the potential to destabilize the Middle East completely. If Europe is forced to move against Islam openly it has the potential to unite the Muslims.

One way or another, some form of World War III is coming. What form it will take is still up in the air, but the problems in the Middle East aren't going to go away with ISIS. They are the tip of the iceberg. If we're lucky we might be able to stay out of it, but I seriously doubt they will give us that choice.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 10:00 PM  

@Nate

ISIS is the biggest US foreign policy fuckup since Viet Nam.

Do you seriously think that the regular man/woman/LGB/tranny on the street voter thinks ISIS is an American invention? I don't.

And just let me warn you, I are smart.

Anonymous Mike M. February 28, 2015 10:04 PM  

Let's get serious here. Rand Paul won't be the nominee, because the American people historically prefer a governor over a senator in the Oval Office. That fact wipes out Paul, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and a truckload of other fantasy candidates.

What's left? Walker, Bush, and Perry. Perry's poor showing surprises me, but he's probably saving his resources for when it counts. Walker is a very strong candidate. Bush? He appears to be popular with the big donors...and nobody else. Including the GOP establishment in Washington, I've heard.

The real question will be whether or not the GOP Establishment tries to get a replacement for Bush (most likely Kasich of Ohio), or put their money on Walker.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 10:06 PM  

"Do you seriously think that the regular man/woman/LGB/tranny on the street voter thinks ISIS is an American invention? I don't."

Yes. I do.

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 28, 2015 10:09 PM  

Ben Carson , unlike Herman Cain , seems reasonably competent. I imagine he supports gun control because as a doctor he knows a lot of people get hurt from guns.. It's understandable why he holds such a position.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 10:11 PM  

its really not that hard a concept mate. Everyone remembers then ranting about how evil assad is... we trained them to fight assad... they turned on us.

simple as that.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 10:15 PM  

@ Nate

Yes. I do.

In that case, if you are correct, given the track record of the American public, I would have to conclude that ISIS is not in fact an American invention.

I have no other choice.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 10:15 PM  

"Everyone remembers then ranting about how evil assad is..."

I think you're vastly overestimating the collective memory of the American public. Most of them can't even find Syria on a globe. With the nations labeled.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 10:16 PM  

ISIS is the biggest US foreign policy fuckup since Viet Nam.

Iraq and Afghanistan are far bigger fuckups.

Anonymous NRx4Life February 28, 2015 10:19 PM  

The GOP needs to be destroyed.

I am cheering on Jeb.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 10:27 PM  

> I am cheering on Jeb.

A poor mountaineer
barely kept his family fed
And then one day when shootin' at some food
Up from the ground come a bubblin' crude.

Hell, I am convinced. Jeb it is.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 10:38 PM  

Stay the course, Jeb. A thousand points of light.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 10:41 PM  

@ Nate:

we trained them to fight assad... they turned on us. Simple as that

Yes and no. They still fight Assad. Just branched out.

The US is just pretending to fight them.Air strikes? Do we really know there actually ARE airstrikes? Iraqis have claimed seeing weapons drops into ISIS positions by Brit aircraft.

China arms Iran, but offers superior arms to Saudi Arabia.

Crisis management. Public pronouncements are just shaping the verbal battlefield.

Anonymous Monic Binomial February 28, 2015 10:47 PM  

For a bit of context, here's the results from the 2011 CPAC poll:

Ron Raul: 30%
Mitt Romney: 23%
Gary Johnson 6%
Chris Christie 6%
Newt Gingrich: 5%
Tim Pawlenty 4%
Michele Bachmann 4%
Mitch Daniels 4%
Sarah Palin: 3%
Herman Cain 2%
Mike Huckabee 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
John Thune 2%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Haley Barbour 1%

Blogger JartStar February 28, 2015 10:49 PM  

ISIS will probably be irrelevant by the 2016 general election because it will have been wiped out by then.

They are currently training "cubs", which are young boys to make this a multi-generational fight. They are in it for the long haul and understand what's a stake for the West.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 11:03 PM  

They are currently training "cubs", which are young boys to make this a multi-generational fight. They are in it for the long haul and understand what's a stake for the West.

So what? The Kurds, Turkey, Jordan, etc can take out ISIS.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 11:04 PM  

> Stay the course, Jeb. A thousand points of light.

Shiny city on the hill.........read my lips.....mission accomplished......yadda yadda yadda.............

I for one can hardly wait. The 2 year journey to nowhere. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen, there are prizes to be won!

Blogger Akulkis February 28, 2015 11:04 PM  

@Doom

Every time you write "Yum" in one of your comments here or at Alpha Game, you immediately replace the impact of whatever you wrote with the following impression: "What kind of grown man writes like a 14-year old girl?"

Anonymous Heaviside February 28, 2015 11:05 PM  

>They are currently training "cubs", which are young boys to make this a multi-generational fight. They are in it for the long haul and understand what's a stake for the West.

Angela Merkel was a member of a communist youth group. The communists may have been "in it for the long haul" in 1988, and the fascists in 1944, but that didn't stop their youth from becoming politicians in the liberal governments that succeeded them.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 11:07 PM  

@ Josh

So what? The Kurds, Turkey, Jordan, etc can take out ISIS.

Just remember, ISIS is a Turkey proxy. They will take them out only if they want the territory they hold.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 11:10 PM  

" . . . that didn't stop their youth from becoming politicians in the liberal governments that succeeded them."

That's exactly the problem. There aren't going to be any liberal governments succeeding ISIS.

Blogger Corvinus February 28, 2015 11:28 PM  

Cruz wants a massive guest program? So what? Paul and Walker want Amnesty.

@rcocean
Jebbie wants both. He's the RINO hide we all need to take out.

One the one hand, it's clear that conservatives have no patience for another "electable" moderate who will lose the general election.

Jeb's showing was apparently all from his bussed-in cheer squad.

On the other hand, 11.4 percent for an anti-gun token black candidate indicates that a lot of them are still more concerned about being called racists than they are about winning elections.

Guess O didn't do a good enough job at making people sick of a black president...

Anonymous Heaviside February 28, 2015 11:37 PM  

>That's exactly the problem. There aren't going to be any liberal governments succeeding ISIS.

Whatever governments that manage to take and hold power in Syria and Iraq may not be liberal by Western standards, but that doesn't mean they'll be determined to create a Caliphate, either.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 11:46 PM  

@ Heaviside

Whatever governments that manage to take and hold power in Syria and Iraq may not be liberal by Western standards, but that doesn't mean they'll be determined to create a Caliphate, either.

Iraq will be split between Turkey and Iran. Iran will keep Baghdad + south. Turkey will have Mosul+ north. Assad will fall. All the Christians will die or be enslaved.

Anonymous Will Best February 28, 2015 11:47 PM  

Jeb doesn't even pretend to be a RINO. He is just running in the republican primary, and because of his daddy and brother's friends everybody seems okay with that.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 11:54 PM  

Howcum we don't have a civilized system like Russia where someone could just shoot Jeb dead in front of the Whitehouse and save everybody a world of pain?

I just don't get it.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2015 12:09 AM  

"most likely Kasich of Ohio"

He won reelection by over 30 points, with reasonably strong support from white union members. I live in Ohio - his ads were relentlessly positive and didn't even mention his opponent. He's playing a different rhetorical game.

Blogger Nate March 01, 2015 12:16 AM  

"Iraq and Afghanistan are far bigger fuckups."

***chuckle***

sure they are cutie. because YOU remember them.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 01, 2015 12:22 AM  

Creating a Catholic monarchy in America does not rise to the level of treason as one has to be loyal before one can be treasonous. It is simply unAmerican.

America is Protestant and Baptist in the main from its beginnings. Putting in a RCC hierarchy with nunneries and bishoprics and the whole lot would be like transplanting bananas on to oaks.

As to monarchy, the American patria is different from those losers in Europe, and it includes things like a Constitution.

==============
Everyone is going to have significant problems. If you are of the sort that can't abide anyone with problems, then go forth and smite those windmills, brave sir.

Reagan, justly named Ronaldus Magnus, did NFD, an amnesty, and let Congress push debts into massive amounts despite radically improving the tax inflow, cutting taxes, creating an environment where the Computer Age could be born, and taking Global Thermonuclear War off the table, and leading to the End of Communism.

My take is we'd be so lucky to get someone with as many major mistakes as Reagan again. One thing not commonly brought to these discussions is the realization that the Nation heals a good bit on its own, given time.

So, Carson is bad on RKBA, but he's made obeisance, and as one previous poster put it, RKBA is not really going anywhere bad in the current environment. So, Carson is ok so far. His other positions I don't know. This is just an example of how to evaluate.

Santorum was pretty good last time.

Rand Paul is kind of Libertarian I gather, and among Libertarians being open borders is the norm. So if you want a Libertarian you pretty much have to accept Open Borders.

Anonymous roo_ster March 01, 2015 12:59 AM  

Josh wrote:
roo_ster wrote (nested quote):
"Rand is not a serious candidate until he gets some executive experience."

Define serious"

Governor elected to more than one term, owner/ceo of a _large_ company (preferably not in the financial sector) for a number of years, combat arms command in Army or USMC (preferably above the company level). Somewhat less-serious executive experience would be VPOTUS or something along the lines of a cabinet position or top dog at one of the large fed.gov agencies.

Rand was a small business owner who was also the hired talent. That is perfectly honorable, but not sufficient preparation for POTUS. Without any executive experience of note, being a US Senator is wholly insufficient and likely detrimental to functioning effectively as a POTUS.



Nate wrote:
"What executive experience did Obama have?

Or for that matter... any US Senator that has ever run for President?

Or... to put differently...

You have no idea what you're talking about."

Not one for learning from experience, eh? Two terms of Obama just not enough to convince you that POTUS ought not be one's entry-level executive job. Some learn harder than others I suppose.

Take a trip down presidential history. The few POTUSes who came from the Senate who are also considered successful by folk across the political spectrum also had held no-bull military command: Andrew Jackson and...well, that's about it. The other US Senators elected to the POTUS were either seat-warmers(1) or terrifically controversial when effective (Nixon, LBJ). JFK gets special mention as a bumbler with a cult of personality.

No thanks, I do not want another US Senator hoping into the oval office without having managed a large enterprise.

Rand's selling out the people of America in favor of illegal aliens and H1Bs combined with his planting of sloppy wet kisses on Al Sharpton's posterior also give the prudent man pause. Especially since Rand has not repudiated either as Ben Carson repudiated his weak stance on the RKBA.






(1) Guess I could google for a name but decided their obscurity ought to be its own sort of testimony.

Anonymous Just_Michael March 01, 2015 1:06 AM  

The nominee in both of the dominant parties will advocate an increase in the level of tension towards Iran. Both will have made a pilgrimage to the Wailing Wall. Neither will represent the American people.

Anonymous roo_ster March 01, 2015 1:10 AM  

Nate, perhaps we should also consider service in the US House as sufficient executive experience? After all did not your favorite POTUS serve only a single term in the House before becoming the POTUS who saved the Union?

Anonymous dh March 01, 2015 1:13 AM  

Walker is not going to be a serious candidate. He some proximity and cross-over appeal to early primary states, but by Super Tuesday (whats left of it), it's going to be over for him.

Bush is the last great hope of the commentary class, the pundit class, who desperately want to pretend that Bush is the leader of the adult wing of the GOP.

Here is the nutshell of the 2008 and 2012 elections. Pres. Obama, and then Candidate Obama, turned on the magentism meter full tilt, and shook out every young person, idiot, leftist, liberal, progressive, and Regan democrat to vote. The combination of big money and a cult of personality shook up the races from the get go. Combined with a superior IT operation, better party co-ordination, and superior media operation, Obama locked up the nomination and used the lengthy battle to have visited every state he would eventually win 3 times by election day.

My best projection is that if Sec. Clinton runs, it really doesn't matter who the GOP runs. The demographics of major year elections continue to shift and look very poor for Republicans. The trend of decreased share of the white vote, especially the white male vote, will be at it's all time nadir for the 3rd or 4th time in a row. The increased turnout among legal Hispanics, Blacks, and young people will carry Sec. Clinton to a 90-110 point electoral college victory. Whites - especially white men - will continue to consolidate voting totals for the GOP, delivering into the 80's for the first time in a Presidential year. White women will fail to perform as well as in 2012 as 20%-40% will peel off for Sec. Clinton, potentially more if it looks like she is going to win easily by mid-October when the last of the debates are over.

Additionally, 2016 is a horrible year for the Senate elections. Look for Democrats lead by Clinton to put contention wedge issues on the ballot, including gay marriage and state-level minimum wage laws. The GOP will be defending a number of highly vulnerable seats, and outgoing Pres. Obama and his entire operation will be mobilized to protect his legacy. Unlike Pres GW Bush, whose popularity did not rebound until a year or more until he left office, Pres. Obama will leave office to ratings in the 50's or perhaps even low 60's. A wave of media and popular sentiment will solidify his coattails.

The GOP's best possibility to pickup an 2016 upset is to locate a successful governor with cross-over appeal, especially to white women, who will be the actual key demographic to watch for this race. Women of all political affiliations will flock to Clinton and minorities who elected Pres. Obama will pay back the favor. I believe Sen. Ernst from Iowa will make at least a pro-forma run, in order to hold open a chance for a VP nomination. Kaisch is a good possibility, as is Mary Fallin, who is the most popular GOP governor in the country at present.

Blogger IM2L844 March 01, 2015 1:16 AM  

Iraq will be split between Turkey and Iran. Iran will keep Baghdad + south. Turkey will have Mosul+ north. Assad will fall. All the Christians will die or be enslaved.

Don't count Egypt out of the potential scenarios. Isaiah 19 might have something to say on this matter yet, zen0. We'll see.

Anonymous Stilicho March 01, 2015 2:34 AM  

Josh, quit trying to blame Bush for ISIS. Mights as well blame sykes-picot. Fact is, ISIS is the brainchild of Obama and Clinton. A way to get the war on Assad that Congress denied them. Watch how hard the media will avoid the Benghazi-ISIS arms running connection.

@Chris: Webb has two fatal flaws-abortion and amnesty.

Anonymous Homesteader March 01, 2015 2:36 AM  

Gibbon would find all this amusingly familiar. So would Cicero, I suppose.

Anonymous Homesteader March 01, 2015 2:53 AM  

I would be amused, as well, but for the fact that I love my country and mourn the evil that has befallen her.


Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 01, 2015 3:30 AM  

Glad to see Rand Paul win the % points.

No Romney, Palin, Perry(last) or McCain, good sign but overall candidates need around a billion or so to run, is that still correct? Not interested in idiot neocon policies. Walker is questionable given the over 55 crowd wants their healthcare, legal pot to smoke, pensions and other hip things. God bless them and good luck not retiring.

Blogger ScuzzaMan March 01, 2015 3:38 AM  

I think you underestimate the attraction of the basic honesty of a candidate like Ben Carson, especially to the paleo-conservatives, with some crossover to the "liberal" conservatives, i.e. the anti-gun lobby you mention.

That basic honesty will prevent him ever winning the candidacy, as the money will never back him.

Still, it seems a little one-eyed to conclude his showing is purely down to SJW effects in the Republican Party. I am sure SOME of it is, but how much is a question we'd need more data to answer, imo.

Anonymous Stilicho March 01, 2015 3:43 AM  

I just hope the donks are foolish enough to run as dh hopes they will. Of course, the foreigner thinks it's a recipe for success... so ymmv.

Anonymous VD March 01, 2015 4:21 AM  

Every time you write "Yum" in one of your comments here or at Alpha Game, you immediately replace the impact of whatever you wrote with the following impression: "What kind of grown man writes like a 14-year old girl?"

It's the Internet Alpha thing to do. See, writing "Yum" makes everyone think you're like totally sweet and pork lots of babes and you don't even think twice about it.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2015 6:24 AM  

> totally sweet and pork lots of babes and you don't even think twice about it.

Actually, Vox, it's a subliminal advertising thing. He's being paid to pump YUM stock. :)

Anonymous Athor Pel March 01, 2015 8:11 AM  

" Andrew Spooner Jr. February 28, 2015 9:55 PM

"ISIS will probably be irrelevant by the 2016 general election because it will have been wiped out by then."

I think that's underestimating the extent of the problem. With every gain that ISIS makes, Islam in general is becoming more emboldened to restore some form of the Caliphate.
...
"



The man with the most legitimacy to head the caliphate is the Hashemite king of Jordan and ISIS pissed him off so bad he wants to drop bombs on them himself.

Anonymous dh the Hillary voter March 01, 2015 8:19 AM  

Dh the Democrat predicts overwheming Democrat victory. SHOCKER!

Can you tell us more about it, dh? How great is your party? How terrible is Walker that you need to concern-troll here, dh?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 01, 2015 8:52 AM  

I am trying to find a reason to dislike Walker

He's a hick provincial. Call me a snob but that's it. He barely scraped by in the private sector before falling into state politics.

I'm glad he kicks public employee-union butt. He should stay in Wisconsin. Anywhere above that, and he will be in completely over his head. Not that anybody else on tap is any better.

The cognitive elite are definitely avoiding politics, and not even the status of federal office is enough to draw them. No more Bill Bradley, Lloyd Bentsen, James Baker, or Richard Nixon. This indicates the real power is elsewhere.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2015 9:41 AM  

Homesteader,

"Gibbon would find all this amusingly familiar. So would Cicero, I suppose."

Cicero was hunted down and killed by the state in his own home. Not amusing. This is tragedy, not comedy.

Anonymous Red Comet March 01, 2015 10:14 AM  

dh is correct and I'm still surprised so many haven't figured that out. In America race trumps all other concerns. Period.

The Republicans, whether they want to be or not, are the party of white men. There aren't enough white men alone in American demographics for the Republicans to win the White House any longer.

But what about white women? They have defected to the Democrats in enough numbers to swing the tide in Democrat favor. You can thank a combination of decades of feminist brainwashing against tradition and promises of Democrat gibs for that.

Non-whites, to the extent that they do vote, will also naturally vote Democrat thanks to similar promises of gibs from whitey.

Given this inevitability all political posturing and maneuvering in the US is nothing more than a stage show. It's as real as professional wrestling. It's the Democrat Globetrotters against the Republican Generals. The major parties would be smarter to save money and front a lawn gnome and pink flamingo as their candidates for all the difference it would make.

Anonymous dh the Hillary voter March 01, 2015 10:19 AM  

dh is correct that the GOP should run a pro-vibrant feminist-approved moderate?

THIS is why the GOP is fucked. Concern trolls like "dh" should be tarred and feathered. Instead even Vox sucks dh's cock.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 01, 2015 10:40 AM  

dh is correct that the GOP should run a pro-vibrant feminist-approved moderate?

THIS is why the GOP is fucked. Concern trolls like "dh" should be tarred and feathered. Instead even Vox sucks dh's cock.


No. The GOP is doomed because it holds its own white male base in contempt and slobbers all over Latinos and oligarchs. Consequently, the party rank-and-file consists largely of anti-intellectual mouthbreathers like you, who can be led by the nose.

Blogger Corvinus March 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

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Blogger Corvinus March 01, 2015 10:56 AM  

The GOP is doomed because it holds its own white male base in contempt and slobbers all over Latinos and oligarchs.

Kneegrows too. Hence the Carson vote, the Steele presidency of the RNC, and so forth. As well as all the blacks in pro sports.

Anonymous dh the Hillary voter March 01, 2015 10:57 AM  

How does dh's cock taste?

Look what dh advises the GOP to run...

A "moderate" who holds its own white male base in contempt and slobbers all over women, etc.

The Democrat in the forum (dh) leads YOU by the nose, and you reward him by slobbering on his knob.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 01, 2015 11:04 AM  

How does dh's cock taste?
you reward him by slobbering on his knob.


LOL. You have issues pal. Mother not give you enough love?

Blogger Nate March 01, 2015 1:02 PM  

"Rand Paul is kind of Libertarian I gather, and among Libertarians being open borders is the norm. So if you want a Libertarian you pretty much have to accept Open Borders."

Vox is a libertarian... libertarians are pro-choice.. therefore vox must accept abortion.

You've said some really dumb things...but that's probably the dumbest.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 01, 2015 3:20 PM  

Thank you, Nate. I do enjoy stomping on the Tarian's toes.

Now, let's see, was I aware that Vox was a libertarian? Hmmmm. I recently said 'he suffered under the limitation of being a libertarian', so,I'm going to go with ...yes.

Just keeping it simple for you, bro.

Now, was I aware that Vox is against OB? I don't have such a handy quote, but its all over the place. I think barely a week goes by without him indicating his dislike of OB.

But...but...but..

Note 'among Libertarians being open borders is the NORM'. Norm, okya-doke, Norman? Vox's views are abnormal to the great mass of fifty libertarians that make up the movement. Did I say 'fifty', I meant fifty-five.

Now, if you want a Libertarian, statistically you're likely to get a OB supporter. So my statement stands...sneering on the street corner at the silly guy trying to drive his motorcycle while shooting his rifle.

I find this amusing because I am an admitted Midwit, and you're supposed to be some Great Brain.

Blogger James Dixon March 01, 2015 3:46 PM  

> dh is correct that the GOP should run a pro-vibrant feminist-approved moderate?

Show where his analysis is wrong. Dh and I have crossed swords on the matter of voting patterns before, and he turned out to be right and I was wrong. That doesn't mean he's right this time, but it means I'll give him the benefit of a doubt.

Blogger S1AL March 01, 2015 3:48 PM  

At this point I'm mostly just ambivalent about the presidential election. What I want is someone who will toe the line and just sign bills, because any change has to come from the House and Senate. And not support amnesty.

Anonymous Chief-Tuscaloosa-welcome-white-man March 01, 2015 4:19 PM  

Me think all candidates acceptable. White man must pay for crimes of past and allow others to come onto his land. If red party win illegal immigration amnesty done deal. If blue party win, win illegal immigration amnesty done deal. Sheldon Adelson and Chief Tuscaloosa call that win-win!

Blogger Nate March 01, 2015 10:32 PM  

"I find this amusing because I am an admitted Midwit, and you're supposed to be some Great Brain."

Given that you managed to write a snarky comment feigning superiority while entirely missing the point...

Yes... I would say your self-application of the term mid-wit is entirely warranted.

Kudos.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 01, 2015 11:05 PM  

There is no shame in being a midwit. It is what I am.

There is shame in being a Great Brain, and making an argument a dimwit could defeat.

I do not feign superiority, I hope. I merely say that in this case, my argument is clearly correct, and yours is pathetic.

Now, if I understand correctly from this site, an Alpha is supposed to relentlessly mock another at doing something stupid which is what I was doing in my previous post. And that we should all aspire to Alpha dom.

So, stop being a silly man, and come up with an actual argument or give up already. Explain to me that Most Tarians are NOT OBers, and offer some actual substance. Or you could admit that your allegations were born of hubris, and you were pawned, and then punted into orbit.

Anonymous dh March 01, 2015 11:31 PM  

fake dh--

Apparently pointing out the fact that Walker is in the process of self-destructing a year out from even announcing a run is somehow me concern trolling. Here is the best way to do an experiment of how any GOP candidate can beat Clinton in 2016:

These are the states Obama won in 2012:

California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Hawaii Illinois Iowa Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York Ohio Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island Vermont Virginia Washington Wisconsin

Pick any GOP candidate, and project to me which states your candidate will win instead of Clinton. If you pick Walker, I project he could pickup Wisconsin (though not promised), Maine and Pennsylvania.

Obama was close in the following states:

North Carolina, South Carolina, and Arizona.

Explain to me on the basis of past voting patterns, how a white Mid-westerner is going to win more votes than Mitt Romney did in 2012. The answer is, most likely, that candidate will not. In all three of those states, plus the 26 that Obama won, the population is either strongly Democratic or the white-male vote is decreasing as either a share of total votes, or an absolute number of votes (in some cases, for example Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island, Illinois, where there are net decreases of white voters). Now factor in that Mitt Romney already got the most white votes of any person in history, and it was still not enough, and you start to see the problem. There aren't enough white male voters. Plus, Clinton puts up an interesting problem, which is that white-women, who were a weak spot for Obama in both elections second only to white males, are looking like they will peel off to vote for Clinton over any GOP option in 2016. Gov. Romney won 56% of the white women vote. At present, white-women favor Clinton 60%-40%, against any possible GOP challenger - a +16 swing over Obama's 2012 votes.

So in a nutshell, Clinton is going to get all the votes that Obama got, plus all the new minority and young voters who vote (and granted, they vote in small ratios to white voters, but they are still a faster growing voter bloc than white voters), plus 10-20% more of the white women voters, less whatever more white-male voters the GOP candidate can consolidate. That voting bloc is the shining star of the GOP base, and it's increased in share 2-5% over each of the last 4 election cycles. Even if that trend holds, and even accelerates, this puts Clinton on track for a 110-120 electoral vote victory.

There is also a wild card - Texas. Obama won 40% of the popular votes in Texas in 2012. If the GOP picks a candidate disconnected from the South or Texas, and if Clinton picks a VP candidate connected to Texas - say former San Antanonio mayor Julián Castro, Texas could move into play. I think this is probably 4 year premature, but if Clinton puts Texas into play, the race is over. Once Texas flips to purple state status, it is over for the GOP as a national party. Texas+California+NY+FL = 60% of the electoral votes needed to win the Presidency. There is no path to GOP victory in any election year without Texas.

I suggest two popular GOP governors because running GOP Senators is a historical path to failure. You can ask McCain, Dole, Goldwater if you doubt. Other than Fallin and Kaisch, there isn't aren't GOP governor who are popular. The rest are all underwater.

So before you tell me about concern trolling, do an experiment. Tell me which candidate is going to pickup which states from 2012 results, and how that candidate is going to turn back the demographic time bomb that the GOP keeps hoping will magically fix itself.

I am sure when I come back around Halloween 2016, we'll be seeing you talking about unskewing polls, and biased media, and how Sen Paul, or Sen Cruz, or Gov. Christie, or Gov Bush is going to pull out a 70, or 80, or 100 point electoral victory and prove everyone wrong. Let me know if you want to make it sporting, I'm always up for putting my money where my mouth is.

Anonymous dh March 01, 2015 11:40 PM  

"I just hope the donks are foolish enough to run as dh hopes they will. Of course, the foreigner thinks it's a recipe for success... so ymmv."

There is reality, and there is the internet. If the archives go back that far, you can go back and see exactly what I think of Sec. Clinton when she was running in 2008. For people who came up when Clinton was President, when he was running against Pres. Bush, the world revolves around the Clinton's. For people who came up listening to Rush Limbaugh, Sec. Clinton is the epitome of what is wrong with everything.

The problem is, that is not the reality of public opinion.

Blogger Jozum March 02, 2015 12:37 AM  

There is not a GOP'er that will beat Clinton. She gets all the Obama votes and yes, women (thanks to the shills in the MSM) will walk over glass to vote for her. For if you disagree with her, you are a chauvanist; second only to racist in the name-calling hierarchy.

Blogger Akulkis March 02, 2015 12:40 AM  

dh...
you forget all of the "youth vote" Obama got in 2008 who now utterly hate his guts, because they now have $120,000 of college loans, and they're living at home with their parents because all of their income goes to keeping those loans out of default, because the best job they can get is working part time, and requires uttering, dozens to hundreds of times per day, "Do you want fries with that?"

Obama has made the Democratic brand utterly revolting to most Millenials the same way that Carter did to late late boomers and early X'ers.

Anonymous dh March 02, 2015 1:03 AM  

Akulkis--

2012:
"Obama easily won the youth vote nationally, 67 percent to 30 percent, with young voters proving the decisive difference in Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio"

You can't look at this without race.

For WHITE millennial voters (and younger), Obama has only ever polled in the 30's in terms of approval. Right now, he's at 34%, which is actually 3 points better than older white voters.

For NON-WHITE millennial voters, Obama dropped from his high of about 84% support, to 80%.

It's just not credible at this point. The reality is right now, these disaffected voters are more likely to simply not vote, than vote other than Democratic.

BUT, if there is any crack in the foundation of the Democratic base in 2016, it is surely left-behind millennial who are being screwed by the boomers. It remains to be seen if any GOP candidate could capture that demographic.

Blogger Akulkis March 02, 2015 1:20 AM  

exactly. The dim base will stay home
So the Republicans will win.

Blogger Desiderius March 02, 2015 2:48 AM  

dh,

A masculine candidate, Republican or otherwise, could beat Clinton. It's time. The only time I heard enthusiasm for Romney, and it was among non-GOP types, was after the first debate. Then he shit his pants before the second and couldn't even stand up to Candy Crowley, of all people. Christie has a little of that mojo, and Walker is trying to fake it, but the GOP brand is so tainted with pansyism, it's hard to see one of the usual politicians getting there.

An actual grown man, Eastwood-type emerging is likely what it would take. Perhaps a non-politician veteran. White women are ready to abandon the Ds in droves, but only for a man who can protect them and their interests. Shit's gotten too real for them to care about any more symbolic elections or giving women their turn or bullshit like that. They support Hil because she's the most manly candidate in the field.

The other option as I mentioned before is the Kasich strategy of relentless positivity, refusing to even mention anything controversial (especially anything associated in the public mind with conservatives, or liberals for that matter), and pretending Democrats do not exist. Certainly worked to get him re-elected by a landslide.

Anonymous dh March 02, 2015 3:39 AM  

D--

I am with you on Kasich. There is an appeal to be made on positivity, ignoring your opponent. It is an alpha-frame to be sure. Oh that old lady running? Yeah, that's nice. Let's talk about me, you, and how to get you from a worried no to a happy yes. So yeah. Kaisch is a good politician and his strategy worked well for his state so far. I have no idea if it will translate, but he is a credible candidate in that he has a positive approval rating, and is a governor, which is statistically the best path to the White House.

As far as your other point, you are making an emotional appeal that voters will abandon the way they've been voting, and make a wholesale switch. As I pointed out, you are talking a change in voting pattern that is deeply fundamental to how people have been voting the last 5+ cycles, which is with a high degree of confidence, by racial and gender group.

I'll put it this way. If you voted for Romney, it was more likely, statistically, that you were a white male, than a Republican. When you realize that the first and foremost voting pattern is now entirely racial, well, I am not sure if anything can overcome that.

The best GOP strategy for winning a Presidential election is to suppress the minority vote legally, and prevent more minority voters from being made in the first place.

Anonymous dh March 02, 2015 3:44 AM  

"exactly. The dim base will stay home
So the Republicans will win."

That's an argument, it's just not a really good one. There's just not enough. These people already barely vote. They made the difference in 3 states in 2012.

Blogger Desiderius March 02, 2015 6:36 AM  

"I am not sure if anything can overcome that"

A resurgence of masculinity among white males themselves, blunting the appeal of bull dykes and blacks for white women. That and Sailer's thing of the Ds being seen as the Black Party. Hispanics and Asians don't want Blacks in charge of their American dream. "Minority" is not an undifferentiated lump, not has it ever been.

"It is an alpha-frame to be sure."

Yeah, it's the "we're on to Cincinnati" approach to media relations. Any candidate who wants to win should study how Belichick, Popovich, and Lynch relate to the media. Simmons and his writers (along with Stewart and his) are very influential in their loathing of anything the Rs have thrown up the last 15 or so years. They worship Pop and Belichick and that crowd.

Blogger CDM March 02, 2015 8:14 AM  

Ron Paul won the ClownPac 4 years in a row. This means nothing at all. Who can raise the most money? Jeb. And that is why the GOP will have him as its nominee.

Blogger Nate March 02, 2015 9:39 AM  

'So, stop being a silly man, and come up with an actual argument or give up already. Explain to me that Most Tarians are NOT OBers, and offer some actual substance. Or you could admit that your allegations were born of hubris, and you were pawned, and then punted into orbit."

Mate... that's not even an assertion worth bothering to address. Most libertarians are obama supporters?

You're literally to retarded to bother addressing.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2015 11:35 AM  

> A masculine candidate, Republican or otherwise, could beat Clinton.

I think that's probably the key to success for the Republicans right there. They need a candidate who appeals to the base and who turns women on. For most women, that tends to override everything else, even voting for Clinton. Outside of Cruz, I don't see one available though.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 02, 2015 12:45 PM  

Nate, we're talking about Open Borders.

OB=Open Borders.

OBers would then be supporters of open borders.

Now that you've ate your foot, and most of your leg, would you like some hot sauce with that?

Tell me the truth, this is some secret test by the Illuminati to see if I will pretend to see reality as one of its members does as he descends deeper and deeper into insanity? If so, have I passed, because I have some plans for World Domination.

Blogger S1AL March 02, 2015 1:07 PM  

Making up acronyms, being the only one to use them, and then claiming victory because someone misunderstood your unclear statement...

Classic.

Blogger guest March 02, 2015 1:40 PM  

On the contrary, I am more interested in Carson's unwavering defense of the bible, that I do my right to unlimited access to gun ownership.

OpenID cailcorishev March 02, 2015 2:01 PM  

I have no idea how "unwavering" Carson's defense of the bible is, or on what it's based. But during the next presidency, which is more likely: Congress restricts bible ownership/preaching, or Congress restricts gun ownership?

We may very well have to worry about Congress coming after our bibles someday. But not until after they've taken most of our guns, so it should be clear where the first fight is.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 02, 2015 2:04 PM  

Oh, that's cute dimwit dh thinks the niggas are gonna come out for the White wimmen cause of what she done for their boy the guy with dark skin they voted for. He's obviously never met these cretins or have any idea of the ingrates that they are.
They voted for Gibs me dat and all they got was gay marriage! Sheeit! What we supo to do wid dat?
There's not going to be an election. When the weather gets warm, Comrade Obama is going to get the JFK early retirement plan. His Obamascare and Iranian knobpolishing has displeased his handlers. He's just a dummy. Gotta do better than that to fool the Goyim.

Blogger Desiderius March 02, 2015 4:09 PM  

James,

"Outside of Cruz, I don't see one available though."

Cruz? Not exactly the strong, silent type. He talks more than a woman and looks vaguely gay.

Blogger James Dixon March 02, 2015 5:11 PM  

> He talks more than a woman...

He's a politician. Talking is his job.

> ...and looks vaguely gay.

Project much?

Blogger guest March 02, 2015 6:17 PM  

Cailcorishev, I'm not worried about the government physically removing bibles from the fingers of Americans. That would be impossible. I'm worried about a government which operates to remove the bible away from the hearts of Americans.

Anonymous Dan March 02, 2015 6:34 PM  

Ben Carson is nobody's token.

He keynoted the traditional marriage dinner by the national organization for marriage after last years' big rally. This was in 2014 after all other mainstream conservatives were abandoning that position. He rejects political correctness completely, to the point that he actually made on to the Southern Poverty Law Center Hatewatch list until at outcry got him taken off of it. Getting on that list speaks strongly in his favor.

Blogger Desiderius March 02, 2015 10:48 PM  

James,

"He's a politician. Talking is his job."

The job in question is President. The point was it will take Statham/Popovich-level alpha to overcome the bad GOP rep for gammatude. Those men don't waste words.

"Project much?"

Heh, maybe so, but not that direction. On an intellectual level, I'm right there with Cruz, but he lacks the temperament for the Presidency even in good times. These are not good times.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 02, 2015 10:51 PM  

S1A1,

Do you even know what you're babbling about?

Blogger Desiderius March 02, 2015 10:51 PM  

guest,

"I'm worried about a government which operates to remove the bible away from the hearts of Americans."

It's been doing that on the sly for our entire lifetime. If history is any indication, open persecution may be what it takes to turn that around.

Blogger James Dixon March 03, 2015 12:31 PM  

> On an intellectual level, I'm right there with Cruz, but he lacks the temperament for the Presidency even in good times. These are not good times.

Now why didn't you just say that up front? If that's your primary point about him, then I think I can agree with it.

Anonymous Wisconsin March 03, 2015 8:29 PM  

Wisconsinite. Voted Walker all 3 times...Walker's first/second gubernatorials, Walker's recall.

Walker = good conservative force.

Would probably vote Walker again. What you see is what you get...a very "down to the ground" man/politician.

Walker sure the hell ain't no lying narcississtic psychopathic sociopathic insane fraud totalitarian despot-wannabe Marxist Muslim puke like Obama.

However, many things at the grass roots WI State level. Have always had a problem with politicians seeking re-election while they are in office. Am NOT paying taxes to pay their salaries for them to look for ANOTHER job and not do their present job.

Walker has cracks in his concrete, to wit:

Besides Act 10 and surviving 3 elections, what has Walker really accomplished for We The WI People?

Walker's been so bleary-eyed about an Presidential GOP nomination...he has an State to run, an State Constitution to uphold, an People he swore an Oath to.

From an WI taxpayer: Scott Walker:

...although you talk about millions in WI taxpayer savings, my property taxes have gone up every year since Act 10...that was not supposed to happen;

...MATC/WCTC are still thieves;

...NOTHING has changed the exhorbitant salaries, benefits, pensions, and perquisites of teachers, cops, firemen, university staff, technical college staff, especially MATC, correctional officers corruption, all pubic serpents, politicians, YOUR taxpayer paid six figure income, etc.; no pubic serpent should EVER make six figures...EVER...are you kidding me?!;

...100s of teachers being re-hired;

...100s more cops being hired;

...Walker sold Wisconsinites out on gay marriage; it wasn't "important enough" to "prioritize"; gay marriage, to this day, flies in the face of The WI Constitution and The Peoples' referendum that defined marriage in The WI Constitution; in WI, the law conflicts with The WI Constitution, i.e., gay marriage is both illegal and legal at the same time;

...County Clerk overt law-breaking across all WI counties ignored RE: pre-mature issuances of marriage licenses to fags and dykes;

..."pro-lifer" Walker sold Wisconsinites out on abortion; it wasn't "important enough" to "prioritize"; we HAVE seen an Walker TV ad wherein Walker states he is "pro-life" and also states abortion is personal and private between an woman and her doctor, the pro-choice stand; Walker, ABORTION IS MURDER, no matter what your political aspirations;

...Milwaukee city/county governments are out of control and ignoring your gubernatorial mandates in so many areas with no sanctions;

...voter count fraud in Waukesha, BrookField, and other places completely ignored;

...criminality of 14 sloberal liberal corruptocrats that fled The State was never prosecuted;

...Barrett The Ferret and Abele raising taxes and giving millions more to city/county cops;

...cops/firemen have not sacrificed ONE thing since the 2011 MadiSIN Spring;

...your jobs plan DID have a pathetic outcome of non-delivery on promises;

...all the way back to 2011 MadiSIN Spring you have been covertly absent from your job many times with people wondering what the hell you're doing but knowing you are spending your time on an Presidential run...you have a State to run;

...The State taking over the corrupt Milwaukee Mental Health Complex and then sitting on its hands with no prosecution of the corrupt psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, rapists, and other degenerate filth that "en-sewaged" that hellhole; I personally know victims of that sesspool of corruption;

...the liberal corruptocrat MadiSIN judges have walked all over you;

...that piece of shit John Chisolm has walked all over you with NO retribution;

...all in the name of an Presidential run;

...all this and more because you want to appear "moderate" for an Presidential run...are you KIDDING me?!

...and when you have ignored the window of time for all this other crap, THEN WHAT?!

All The King's Men, Broderick.

Blogger guest March 04, 2015 12:13 PM  

Desiderius, What you say is true. Satan is at war with Christ, the nations are at war with God, and the world is at war with the church. It is also true that a period of persecution will get the fat out of the church, and turn it into a lean mean "pillar of the truth." I just don't want it. I'm afraid.

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