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Wednesday, February 04, 2015

Fine for me, but not for thee

Jason Sanford attempts the difficult trick of condemning two different Hugo slates while simultaneously trying to defend his own.
For some reason my picks for the Hugo and Nebula Awards are being held up as the opposing slate against the Sad Puppies campaign of Larry Correia, Brad Torgersen, and Vox Day. Evidently my nominations, in some deranged way, legitimizes the Sad Puppy campaign to stuff the Hugo ballot box.

Please.

I've never organized a campaign to stuff the Hugo Awards ballot. Have I stated the authors and stories I'm voting for? Yes. I've done this for many years. Have I encouraged others to consider the stories I liked and, if they also like them, consider them for a nomination? Yes. Because that's what you do in the marketplace of ideas and beliefs which we call life. It's part of what we call "Having a damn opinion!"

And yes, I've been overly eager about trying to get people to check out the stories I've enjoyed and consider them for the awards. I do this because I love our genre and it's still a kick that I can nominate stories and authors for awards. In my recent post about my award picks, I even used the word "amazing" four separate times, which as an author I find embarrassing. But I used the word so many times because I'm excited about these stories and want others to share in this excitement.

But I've never picked my nominations by race or ethnicity or the author's political views.
First of all, note that Jason tried more egregiously to "stuff the Hugo ballot" than Brad did with Sad Puppies. Jason has five recommendations for every category, Brad does not. Even I don't have five recommendations in every category, although I do in all the categories that Jason has recommended thus far.

Verdict: If anyone is guilty of "Hugo ballot stuffing" it can only be Jason Sanford. How on Earth can he claim the right to do what he condemns others for doing? Could he be more blatantly hypocritical? Does he really want to openly claim that no one on the SF Right has the right to express an opinion?

Second, Jason is rightly embarrassed about his repeated use of the word "amazing" after I mocked him for it on Twitter. Like all SJWs, he is forced to resort to the use of superlatives to impress the reader, because what he is describing is not sufficiently impressive in and of itself. But he might consider using different superlatives. That would be amazing.

Verdict: SJWs communicate like inarticulate teenage girls and actresses attempting to curry favor with directors. This is not news.

Third, ballot-stuffing is not a function of the basis by which one decides to stuff the ballot. It doesn't matter why Jason picked his nominations, the fact of the matter is if the presentation of a slate is deemed to be tantamount to ballot-stuffing, Jason observably stuffed the ballot to a greater extent than me, Brad, or Larry last year.

Verdict: Sorry, Jase, still guilty as charged.

The token cuddly liberal
Fourth, Jason clearly did select his nominations on the grounds of race and ethnicity. Sure, it's remotely possible that he just happened to select works translated from the original Khoisan and available only in the basement of a small Nigerian bookstore in Peckham, but the odds are against it. Neither Larry, nor Brad, nor I did that; we didn't justify them at all. Latino Larry nominated both white Brad and Native American Vox last year. Brad may be an Indian-hating cowboy for all I know, as he left me (feather, not dot), off his slate. I don't even know what race or ethnicity most of the writers I recommended are. Hell, I don't even know what race or ethnicity most of the writers I edit and publish are. 

Furthermore, both the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies slates are observably more politically ecumenical than Jason Sanford's lockstep leftist list. We both have writers of the right and left. Jason may have had one moderately right-wing writer TWO YEARS AGO, but he doesn't appear to have any in the slate that is presently being condemned.

Fifth, Jason both predicted and welcomed "The coming Hugo Awards ballot-stuffing arms race" ten months ago. He wrote: "But having everyone engage in this vote campaigning might also be the only way to force the Hugo Awards to finally change. To force the reality of our ever-more-diverse genre down Worldcon's throat. So I welcome the coming Hugo Awards ballot-stuffing arms race."

Verdict: Guilty, guilty, guilty on all counts. And racist against Native Americans to boot. For shame!

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61 Comments:

Anonymous Stilicho February 04, 2015 4:10 PM  

I've never organized a campaign to stuff the Hugo Awards ballot

So, he thinks his campaigning for his preferred slate is sufficiently disorganized to merit disregard? Curious.

Anonymous MrGreenMan February 04, 2015 4:18 PM  

What is his blather about fixing the nomination process? If more fans participate in nominating and voting...isn't that good for the awards? Is his solution of how to "fix" the nomination process for the Hugos to turn it into the Nebulas? I assumed it was just a fan award process. What is there to a fan award other than popularity? (Even the "Best" is the most popular best among fandom...)

Anonymous Alexander February 04, 2015 4:21 PM  

No no no, you see. By virtue of you nominating them, they are fascist by association. Therefore, you only nominated fascists. QED.

The faux concern at the end of his rant gives it away though. Sorry Jason, but we're having fun. And you might want to work on your own internal consistency - if you believe the Hugo's need to be fundamentally changed, why you mad that we might "destroy the entire Hugo Awards as we know it" ?

U mad bro? Y u mad?

Anonymous Alexander February 04, 2015 4:23 PM  

Also, Vox is a crazy racist loon with a wife who is nothing more than a figment of his imagination, and we are all sock puppets. So 'ballot stuffing' can't possibly be on the agenda, as Vox has no real support compared to the pillars of literature that are the producers of dinosaur love and Star Trek spoofs.

Anonymous MrGreenMan February 04, 2015 4:23 PM  

I wish they would respect the part where I'm a monarchist and not a fascist. That's what really grinds my gears.

Blogger AmyJ February 04, 2015 4:29 PM  

He's an author? Of what, fan fiction?

Blogger Giraffe February 04, 2015 4:33 PM  

There's ballot stuffing, and then there's hate ballot stuffing.

Blogger Salt February 04, 2015 4:38 PM  

Prefer turkey stuffing. Ballot stuffing tastes like hanging chad.

Anonymous Feh February 04, 2015 4:38 PM  

"Does he really want to openly claim that no one on the SF Right has the right to express an opinion?"

Probably. Rightwing hate causes feelbad. Doubleplusungood. Consign memory hole.

Anonymous GreyS February 04, 2015 4:39 PM  

He's trying to not only avoid being labeled a hypocrite --- more importantly he doesn't want to be seen as one of the causes of the SP campaign itself. Sounds like he is more worried about the warren blaming him than anything else.

Blogger Krul February 04, 2015 4:40 PM  

CG flamethrower sticks out like a sore thumb. I tried googling "care bear with flamethrower" to get something more seamless, but it's no use. For some reason there are almost no pictures of care bears with flamethrowers. Weird.

Care bear with AK-47. Best I could do.

Blogger Chris Gerrib February 04, 2015 4:51 PM  

He explicitly justified some of his recommendations on racial and ethnic grounds. - I just finished re-reading his recommended list and the closest he comes to "racial and ethnic" is recommending two works not originally written in English.

Anonymous FP February 04, 2015 4:54 PM  

This is simply...Amaaaziing!

Blogger Chris Gerrib February 04, 2015 5:00 PM  

(continuation of above due to hitting wrong button)

And yes, complaining about ballot-stuffing while listing a recommended slate is a bit, rich. Actually, "ballot-stuffing" is a term for fraud (specifically, putting made-up ballots into the box). Jason and the various Puppies are campaigning, which may be unseemly but is at current legal.

Lastly, those who put out a list based on the politics of the authors really can't complain about somebody else putting out another list based on a different political criteria. (House, glass, stones thrown)

Anonymous Rolf February 04, 2015 5:09 PM  

I'd recommend against hanging shad. They are an oily fish, and the noose would slip right off..... *what* chad?...

Oh

Never mind.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 04, 2015 5:13 PM  

"Lastly, those who put out a list based on the politics of the authors really can't complain about somebody else putting out another list based on a different political criteria." - Chris Gerrib

Sure you can, if you're a liberal and have no awareness, but look at me repeating myself.

Blogger Vox February 04, 2015 5:13 PM  

I just finished re-reading his recommended list and the closest he comes to "racial and ethnic" is recommending two works not originally written in English.

Yeah, upon re-reading it, I concur. I removed the sentence and replaced it with simply mocking his attempts to find obscure ethnic works to champion. He's clearly doing it, but he's not openly admitting it.

Blogger Chris Gerrib February 04, 2015 5:31 PM  

Well, "Three Body Problem" is published by Tor (and they've been marketing the bejezus out of it for months) and translated by Ken Liu who has a half-a-dozen Nebulas and Hugos. The Finnish guy was on Tor.com, which gets a lot of hits. I wouldn't call either of them "obscure."

Nnedi Okorafor's book is arguably obscure, but she did collect a World Fantasy Award a couple of years back.

Blogger JCclimber February 04, 2015 5:33 PM  

"I've never organized a campaign to stuff the Hugo Awards ballot. Have I stated the authors and stories I'm voting for? Yes. I've done this for many years. "

Interesting, this moving of the goal posts.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that they were denying that there was any kind of campaigning by the pink contingent? Despite ample evidence of it?

Blogger Chris Scena February 04, 2015 5:48 PM  

Wait, Vox replied to a liberal comment, agreed with it and made a change?

/sarc

Of course, if Vox (or any ilk or just someone they disagree with) points something out at a SJW site, they are ignored or mocked. Love that double-standard.

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2015 5:58 PM  

> Lastly, those who put out a list based on the politics of the authors really can't complain about somebody else putting out another list based on a different political criteria. (House, glass, stones thrown)

And yet that's exactly what Jason is doing.

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2015 5:59 PM  

I love the fact that the Care Bear has a bleeding heart, btw.

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2015 6:03 PM  

> Actually, "ballot-stuffing" is a term for fraud (specifically, putting made-up ballots into the box). Jason and the various Puppies are campaigning, which may be unseemly but is at current legal.

Since this is a private entity hosting a private vote for paying members only, I'm not sure that even "ballot stuffing" would be illegal. It's not like this is a public election or anything. It's probably covered in the WorldCon charter though.

Anonymous Daniel February 04, 2015 6:09 PM  

...who has a half-a-dozen Nebulas and Hugos.

Chris, do you recognize the circular logic there? Pink SF that has been pushed for Hugo nominations can't be Pink SF because they've got Hugo nominations?

Hugos are decidedly not a measure of grand significance or even popularity.

Nebulas? They aren't even a measure of literacy.

Blogger Chris Gerrib February 04, 2015 6:16 PM  

Daniel - no circular logic. The question was obscurity, not quality. Ken Liu would be well-known to the average Hugo voter since he's been on their ballot a lot.

Anonymous Blume February 04, 2015 6:30 PM  

So known to only ~6,000 is not obscure?

Anonymous jack February 04, 2015 6:31 PM  

Thanks Krul. I added the AK toting bear to my pictures list toolbox.

Anonymous pseudotsuga February 04, 2015 6:34 PM  

Jasey boy is confusing the idea of actually VOTING (rather than being told who to vote for) with ballot stuffing (in which a person permitted only one vote submits multiple ballots.) Clearly he feels that *certain* people shouldn't be allowed to vote, and thus their votes constitute ballot stuffing.
Mr Sanford, I paid my money for voting rights. I am thereby allowed to offer one vote (unless you want to really double-down and only permit WorldCon memberships to the "right" people.) If I have the right to vote (as do many other Sad Puppians), that's not ballot stuffing. If the vote counters are so foolish as to allow/permit/not screen out multiple votes per person, then that is ballot stuffing at work. (Larry Correia is confident, however, that his mad auditing skillz have not detected any of these shenanigans)
Ballot stuffing is what people of your probable political party do to get people like Al Franken elected to the Senate.

Blogger Marissa February 04, 2015 6:36 PM  

Is there still a way to get in on the Hugo voting?

Anonymous Red Comet February 04, 2015 6:48 PM  

Where does Vox find these guys? Every time one of these dudes comes up look at their wikipedia pages (when they have them) and it's usually like maybe one novel no one ever heard of and a bunch of contributions to anthologies and magazines.

I think the biggest laugh I got out of one of these was when I checked out Damien Walter's website only to find out he considers himself some kind of writing consultant/expert despite having only written like one 60 page short story novella.

Blogger Vox February 04, 2015 6:50 PM  

Every time one of these dudes comes up look at their wikipedia pages (when they have them) and it's usually like maybe one novel no one ever heard of and a bunch of contributions to anthologies and magazines.

That is today's SFWA.

Anonymous Clark Bianco February 04, 2015 7:00 PM  

@Vox: "He's clearly doing it, but he's not openly admitting it."

How do you know with certainty that he is lying about his opinion about the works and that he selected them based on racial/ethnic grounds? Do you have any solid evidence as to that, like a statement recorded by audio or video (or a screenshot of a written statement)?

Or is it instead your opinion that he is lying about his opinion?

If you have certain evidence that he is lying, it should be released and publicized. I would be happy to assist with this. Documented liars needs to be exposed to sunlight.

Anonymous Salt February 04, 2015 7:06 PM  

@Marissa, not for the nominations process. Final voting later this year, yes, one can get in on it (and will also be eligible for 2016 WorldCon nominations).

Blogger James Dixon February 04, 2015 7:30 PM  

> How do you know with certainty that he is lying about his opinion about the works and that he selected them based on racial/ethnic grounds?

Knowing something is not the same thing as being able to prove it to an outside observer.

OpenID cailcorishev February 04, 2015 7:39 PM  

Just wanted to say: all the publishing and author-talk here has inspired me to start writing my first story, so thank you to the Ilk. I've wanted to write something for a long time, but never felt like I had a good enough idea. Life's too short to keep putting it off, so I started today. I don't know where it's going beyond the first few pages, and I pretty much expect it to be bad, but I'm going to finish it and publish it, even if it's just on my blog, dammit.

Blogger Vox February 04, 2015 7:54 PM  

How do you know with certainty that he is lying about his opinion about the works and that he selected them based on racial/ethnic grounds?

Because I have the entire SFWA Forum backed up on my hard drive, including dozens of comments by Jason Sanford. He has repeatedly expressed his belief that SF in general and SFWA in particular has to do more to give attention to minorities, especially blacks. Sanford may even BELIEVE he has selected those works solely on merit, but he hasn't. The chances of so many minorities and foreigners somehow miraculously producing the best SF works in the English language in 2014 are highly improbable. Even that many women doing so is, in historical terms, statistically unlikely.

In any event, don't make the mistake of confusing the knowing of something with either a) the ability to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt or b) the ability to prove it with mathematical or logical certainty. But it's not merely opinion.

Blogger S1AL February 04, 2015 8:07 PM  

@cailcorishev: Maybe consider writing 1 chapter at a time and putting it up for critique?

Blogger automatthew February 04, 2015 8:20 PM  

"I don't even know what race or ethnicity most of the writers I recommended are"

John C. Wright is clearly a Slan. No Hugos For Slans.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee February 04, 2015 8:42 PM  

So encouraging people to vote on a fan award is ballot-stuffing? Archie Parr could give that boy some lessons in ballot-stuffing. When in all the history of ballot-stuffing have ballot-stuffers BEGGED people to SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY to vote? Is Larry buying memberships for people? Is John Wright getting them liquored up in exchange for votes? Is Sarah Hoyt running the dead members of SFWA through World Con?

Jason Sanford claims to be a writer, but he seems unfamiliar with basic English idioms. Either that or he's a miserable little mud-flinging liar.

Anonymous Daniel February 04, 2015 8:55 PM  

Daniel - no circular logic. The question was obscurity, not quality. Ken Liu would be well-known to the average Hugo voter since he's been on their ballot a lot.

That's fine, well and true.

And circular. Well-known to a Hugo voter is almost by definition obscure, with the exception of John Scalzi.

Seriously, I'm a very big fan of science fiction, and the Hugo nominees are consistently unknown to me. Those few I recognize, it is not for their positive contributions to the genre. Jim C. Hines writes girl's juveniles for the most part now, Kowal writes romances, Scalzi's quite clearly leaving SF novels behind in favor of TV and video games, his professed disdain for gamers notwithstanding.

Those are the big ones on the recent Hugo ranks.

Chris, those are not very big ones.

Simply compare the GoodReads "Best SF" lists from the last decade and any single one from the 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, and so on. Notice anything strange?

The Hugos are no longer a popularity contest.

They are an obscurity contest.

Blogger ray February 04, 2015 9:03 PM  

It's 'Fifth' that convicts him.


When he thinks that Everybody is on his side, he gloats that he will force his Diversity/Identity Agenda down the throats of others. Fair consideration for those Evil White Males? Check yer privilege! Suck on Big Jason's Enormous Preening Manhood! Right down The Oppressor's throat!


But when somebody calls him on his fawning, cowardly group thuggery . . . suddenly he claims the exact opposite. . . poor Jason NEVER selected nominations based on race, ethnicity, or politics. Despite the evidence of his own words to contrary. Because any lie is a good lie if enough others go along to enforce it.


Innocent Jason. Note, nothing is really even on the line here. All it took for this bleating 180 was a couple people calling him out on his hypocrisy and identity-politics punkery. The reason that America teems with jasons and jasonettes -- and indeed is ruled by their proxies -- is because nobody ever shoves them into the light near the fire. They've been so smug and secure in their institutionally sanctioned beatdowns that they never learned to take a punch. Or even consider that one might be thrown.

Blogger Student in Blue February 04, 2015 9:14 PM  

John C. Wright is clearly a Slan. No Hugos For Slans.

I don't know where you got this information, but this is clearly false.

I'm afraid I'm going to have you drawn up on charges of Slan-der.

Anonymous Wandering Aengus February 04, 2015 9:18 PM  

Propagating this Yama sighting in case it hasn't made it to Vox' radar yet.

Notable for attempted interference with commerce, among other things....

Blogger John Wright February 04, 2015 9:26 PM  

"Hell, I don't even know what race or ethnicity most of the writers I edit and publish are."

In the spirit of full disclosure, I am a Vulcan. I continually fight to keep the savage and merciless nature of my Romulan forebears in check.

Blogger John Wright February 04, 2015 9:29 PM  

"CG flamethrower sticks out like a sore thumb. I tried googling "care bear with flamethrower" to get something more seamless, but it's no use. For some reason there are almost no pictures of care bears with flamethrowers. Weird."

Well, there is this: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/16606864/jwpeter02_magnets?shop=BreachTheHull&productId=95948099

Blogger John Wright February 04, 2015 9:38 PM  

"Jasey boy is confusing the idea of actually VOTING (rather than being told who to vote for) with ballot stuffing (in which a person permitted only one vote submits multiple ballots.) "

Agreed. The whole point of using Political Correctness as opposed to, for example, English, is you get to make up words to mean anything and nothing, just so long as they make an emotional impact.

Saying 'ballot box stuffing' to describe canvassing is a lie and a damnable lie, because it is using a word to mean something nearly the opposite of the real meaning, BUT the term has a negative emotional implication.

They look into their dark, bleeding, moth-eaten and corroded hearts, and see a negative emotion, and when consulting their dark, corrupted, clap-eaten brains, they cannot see any principle or maxim in their moral code to prevent it, and so they use the wrong and dishonest word because it conveys their emotion to the world.

On an intellectual level, no matter how articulate the expression of emotion, it conveys no logic, no connection of one idea from axiom to conclusion, no chain of reasoning. Instead it is a stream of emotion, and stream of consciousness.

On that level, it has no more meaning that the scream of some inarticulate beast of the darkest jungle.

Anonymous Rolf February 04, 2015 10:06 PM  

I told the last pollster that called here to take a survey that I was a Pacific Islander today. Not claiming to be 100% anything, though.

I know my ancestors just as far back as my grandparents came from at least three separate countries.

Make of that what you will.

Anonymous Troll Hunter: Nemesis February 04, 2015 10:38 PM  

Thanks, Wandering Aengus. Not a big surprise that Yama is after Mr. Wright's wife now, but sad nonetheless.

Blogger IM2L844 February 04, 2015 11:01 PM  

The whole point of using Political Correctness as opposed to, for example, English, is you get to make up words to mean anything and nothing, just so long as they make an emotional impact.

The perpacity of some people! Sheesh.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 04, 2015 11:14 PM  

Mr. Wright continues to provide swift Light and clarity to the Dark.

9;18pm

Halt.

Per the link? Who and why is someone allowing him to post and for what reason? Nothing else better to do or still burning mad - Yama just cannot control himself again. Seriously, this is all sick and disturbing. More utterances from him again or someone posing as him again but its him...again...again and again. Yama, sir, bro, take the book of John in the bible, read it 20 times everyday for 30 days, maybe on day 1 read it on your knees, for your own peace, soul and focus.

Get control of yourself immediately no more of these silly posts, the blogger should capture the comments and sweep them off, what is wrong with them - ? Do they too want Y forever orbiting/stalking them?

Anonymous Viidad February 04, 2015 11:25 PM  

cailcorishev: "I've wanted to write something for a long time, but never felt like I had a good enough idea. Life's too short to keep putting it off, so I started today."

Good for you.

To be a writer, one must write. Write and the ideas will come to you. Write something every day.

Stop writing and it's like when you stop jogging. After a few days you start to lose your interest... your focus... then days, week and months go by in which you've done nothing.

I'm now getting monthly royalties on a book I wrote a year and a half ago. Those royalties regularly pay my electric bill. Writing that book was a pain in the neck but now I'm very glad I wrote it.

Now I need to finish my new book so I can cover the phone and internet bills.

Anonymous 204 February 05, 2015 2:35 AM  

Jason made a comment on his post stating that his comments are heavily moderated because he 'doesn't want to waste his time with them'. I pointed out that the best way to spend the least time on comments is to leave them unmoderated. He then wasted some time deleting my comment.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2015 3:09 AM  

> I pointed out that the best way to spend the least time on comments is to leave them unmoderated.

Actually, the way to spend the least time on them is not to allow them, but that's obviously not an option for Jason. He can't live without positive feedback.

Blogger Brad Andrews February 05, 2015 10:17 AM  

Vox must be spending a lot of money on all these Worldcon registration if we are all just sock puppets....

How on Earth can he claim the right to do what he condemns others for doing?

Because he is right (in his own eyes) and you are not!

Could he be more blatantly hypocritical?

Probably not, but he could surprise us.

Does he really want to openly claim that no one on the SF Right has the right to express an opinion?

Yes.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 05, 2015 12:23 PM  

Those on the Left cannot be hypocrites, because they have no principles to begin with. Democracy is the only system stupid enough not to imprison or exterminate these idiots.

Anonymous Daniel February 05, 2015 2:11 PM  

"Ah, Paprika. You dance so well."

Blogger Marissa February 05, 2015 3:25 PM  

Thank you, Salt. You answered the question I meant to ask - I want to receive the pack with all the materials. I'm not well-read enough to nominate anything.

Also, can anyone recommend Neal Asher?

Anonymous tiredofitall February 05, 2015 3:45 PM  

Per Wandering Aengus heads up on Yama, I decided to take a quick look. He''s now claiming that Vox is the stalker, and that he is both smarter and a better writer than Vox.

I gotta ask what kind of meds is he on?

Anonymous Steve February 06, 2015 7:41 AM  

"Because that's what you do in the marketplace of ideas and beliefs which we call life. It's part of what we call "Having a damn opinion!"

Ironically, their opinion is that the opinions of certain groups are invalid and those groups should experience harassment, stalking,expulsion from organizations or institutions,termination of employment,and defamation of character as a result of attempting to voice their opinions in the marketplace of ideas and beliefs which I guess we're calling "life" now because this stilted,effeminate, two-dimensional worldview is all that constitutes the remarkable experience of organic consciousness to this human flatworm. And this guy is a Science Fiction or Fantasy writer?

No wonder the genre is in such bad shape. I thought I knew what you were talking about before,Vox, but this really drove it home for me.

It is an almost sublime feeling when idiots are your loudest detractors,isn't it?

Anonymous Steve February 06, 2015 8:03 AM  

" So 'ballot stuffing' can't possibly be on the agenda, as Vox has no real support compared to the pillars of literature that are the producers of dinosaur love and Star Trek spoofs."

And dinosaur Star Trek spoofs,presumably.

I might have to get in on some of this. A baby could write this stuff.

Captain Kirk:"Roooooaaarrr!",a long and pointy-eared ankylosaurus enters the room,standing on two legs with its bony segmented tail sweeping lazily from side-to-side and extends two halves of its hoof-like appendage in a v-shaped salute.

Spock,the ankylosaurus,makes a loud bellowing noise similar to the cry of an injured water buffalo.

Then,two Marxist multiracial other-sex identifying queer trans differently-abled otherkin with headmates make out.

Fade to pink.








Because fading to black is racist.










Fin.

Anonymous Anonymous February 08, 2015 7:46 AM  

What about pertussis and its vaccine? Diphtheria? Tetanus? You've cherry picked one vaccine.

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