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Thursday, February 12, 2015

Guns are not a motive force

It has always been obvious that guns don't cause suicide; the USA has never had the highest rate of suicide in the world. But now that the UK has effectively banned most gun ownership, it is becoming harder and harder to claim that there is any relationship between gun ownership rates and suicide rates. Dr. Helen draws attention to the statistical reality:
The article is about the high suicide rate in the UK and states: “Suicides of men aged 45-59 have risen by 40% in a decade, and account for a quarter of all suicides in the UK.” There is a graph pointing out that a majority of men (and a number of women) in the UK die by suffocation or hanging: 58% of male suicides and 36% of female suicides use this method. We always hear that it is the proliferation of guns that causes much of the male suicide in the US but if the guns are the problem, why is there also a high incidence of male suicide in the UK?
Perhaps the UK should consider also banning ropes and plastic bags. After all, if it saves just one life, it will be worth it. The reality is that no automotive society should attempt to restrict any popular means of committing suicide; there are already far more auto suicides than most people realize.

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Blogger Owen February 12, 2015 4:16 PM  

I've had to live with two people who suffered from depression, one with a very serious condition. It's heartbreaking. You want to help, but it's like they're in a ditch and refuse any and all help to climb out.

That's my comment (Anchorman).

I've found the dearth of real-world steps to help the suicidal to be maddening. It's always the same, "Keep in touch, keep talking."

Meds don't really help.

The more effort (at least, as traditionally defined) you provide, it seems it pushes them further away. The more you love the person, the more you want to help. Yet, I can't. It seems counterproductive. But I can't do nothing.

I wish there was real push behind suicide prevention, like there is for other causes of death.

/rant

Blogger Owen February 12, 2015 4:23 PM  

Anyone who has had to deal with serious suicide threats knows the means of suicide is just a detail.

A gun is a kitchen knife is a rope is a ball point pen.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 12, 2015 4:38 PM  

Russia, Germany, France, and Ukraine reach 13-point agreement. US empire unhappy as empty chair left for Obama. Lack of current US coverage.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/russia-today/peace-and-independence/

Even Bloomberg recently admitted that black/Hispanic males are the problem with guns.

Anonymous Rolf February 12, 2015 4:46 PM  

The best solution for depression I know if is doing something. The body responds to hard physical activity by producing endorphins and other natural chemicals that make you feel better. Heck, even the body's response to some natural soil bacteria act as an anti-depressant (which is part of the reason why kids making and eating mud pies are so happy). There are so many "labor-saving" devices these days that people have time to wallow in their own misery, rather then spending time fighting for survival. It's not wonder people are depressed- they are not doing what they are biologically programmed to be doing.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 12, 2015 5:12 PM  

They have to work with something.

The current violent crime statistics are a disaster for the, "more guns = more violent crime" argument.

I will grant before the members of the Ilk, that this doesn't prove more guns equals less crime. However the above argument is now demonstrated as invalid.

Not that they bother much with facts anymore. They know they've lost the rational argument, they don't even try to make one anymore.

Anonymous Allabaster February 12, 2015 5:14 PM  

Men 45-59, right around the time when work becomes hard to come by and a divorce takes most of your net worth.

I think there may be a slight air of causation here.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 12, 2015 5:16 PM  

"why is there also a high incidence of male suicide in the UK?"

They have to eat English cooking.

Also, they are watching their empire turn into Asia, and not the good parts.

Anonymous joe doakes February 12, 2015 5:18 PM  

If not guns, what accounts for the White Male 50-and-older suicide rate?

Your kids are grown, your investments worthless, your career peaked or gone. Society hates you and berates you at every turn. Playing by the rules is for suckers, now, and everywhere you look people are actively pulling down the ordered society you cherish.

Wears a man down. Gets to the point where you wonder if your wife would be better off if you were dead so she could collect the life insurance. At that point, the poison of the mind has done its work and the gun, rope or car is merely the instrument to end a life of quiet desperation.

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Anonymous J. J. February 12, 2015 5:41 PM  


Perhaps the UK should consider also banning ropes and plastic bags

There was already an attempt to ban kitchen knives there...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Anonymous Crowley February 12, 2015 5:42 PM  

But "Lewis Carroll" isn't trying to tell you anything.
At all.

Anonymous Dan in Tx (If I'm goin', I ain't goin' alone) February 12, 2015 5:47 PM  

I hope for the sake of anyone who has ever pissed me off that I'm never suicidal.

Blogger haus frau February 12, 2015 5:57 PM  

My mother in law shot herself in the head with a .45. She had overdosed on prescription meds once before but once she was out of the hospital everyone kind of relaxed into accepting it as an accident of some sort. They also knew she was alcoholic and never got over their father's death from COPD. I guess the point is the signs were there but no one understood the implications or took them seriously until she succeeded on her second try. If suicide is preventable its up to the people who are close enough to do something about it to see those signs and know what they are seeing.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 February 12, 2015 6:20 PM  

multiculturalism is suicide at the national level.

teaching people to respect others opinions when their opinions are a croc of shit didn't work, still isn't working, won't start working anytime soon, will never work, can't work, hasn't ever worked,,,,,,'
'
has anyone missed my point?

Anonymous Roundtine February 12, 2015 6:26 PM  

What about things that lead to suicide, like naked photos of Lena Dunham?

Anonymous Jeigh Di February 12, 2015 6:29 PM  

Many years ago I knew a man who had five family members commit suicide. He said the only reason he didn't do it himself was his dog. Back in World War II Japanese POWs were given kittens to take care of because their demands for affection kept the prisoners from getting so depressed.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 12, 2015 6:29 PM  

What a bullshit media!!

No, guns are not a motive to end one's life. I might have my problems but I would never ever misuse an arm, an item of defense.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 12, 2015 6:33 PM  

Whoa, pics of Lena in her work for HBO are...well...enough said!

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 12, 2015 6:36 PM  

Owen,

The more effort (at least, as traditionally defined) you provide, it seems it pushes them further away.

If I may offer some perspective, one man to another....

As someone with clinical depression, the effort to be dragged out of the depression, if you will, only reminds one that much more of the situation. It's like someone drowning in the riptide. They more you fight, the more tired you are. And the more you're probably going to drown because of it.

I can't speak for anyone else, and my perspective may only be of a man's point-of-view, but I've always found that like AA, I have to take my depression one day at a time. I think about suicide almost daily in a way that is overwhelming to the conscious. Mind you, I never talk about it, and I never bring it up with those around me.

What has worked for me, is the following:

1. Don't fight it, but don't feed it. I don't talk about it, I don't dwell on it. I get through today.
2. Behavioral conditioning that refocus one's state quickly through simple actions
3. Watching men like VD grow older with honor and dignity.
4. Staying busy with multiple projects, all the time.
5. Relishing the victories, even if not emotionally.
6. And of course, prayer, both on my own and by asking others. The one is a form of talk theory, if you will. The other is an assurance that I may be in my struggles alone, but other Christians are fighting the good fight alongside me.

Hope some of this helps.

Blogger TheCitadel February 12, 2015 6:37 PM  

Britain's high suicide rate (and I bet it is mostly prominent among white men), can be laid solely at the feet of the country's decadence and degeneration. A recent poll found 1/4 of young people in Britain said they had nothing to live for. The godless society reaps its bitter fruits. Not that they care of course. The more whites that kill themselves, the more they celebrate.

Anonymous The Z Blog February 12, 2015 6:39 PM  

It has always been a bit nutty to argue that guns cause crime or suicide. The implication of that claim is that shaping metal a certain way causes certain men to become homicidal maniacs and others to become suicidal maniacs. Strangely, the effect varies by race and sex.

That said, easy access to guns will result in great gun suicides compared to areas with low access to guns. Not a lot of people jump off tall buildings in Iowa compared to New York for the same reason.

Anonymous Will Best February 12, 2015 6:39 PM  

Men 45-59, right around the time when work becomes hard to come by and a divorce takes most of your net worth.

I pointed it out elsewhere, but the closer to retirement you can get men to off themselves the better. It frees up more SS/medicare benefits for who really matter. women with nonfunctional reproductive systems no longer interested in make-work employment.

Blogger Doom February 12, 2015 7:05 PM  

Yeah. I only went to the shotgun after the pesticide and draino failed. Fuck me running though, that didn't even work. I decided to hide the results by suggesting that even condemned men only have to go through two attempts. Decided to realize that death isn't in my hands, not my own for sure. *grins*

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 12, 2015 7:33 PM  

No kidding. I've always wondered why anyone would kill themselves in a way that's more painful than carbon monoxide. It's like they're deliberately missing the point of suicide.

Anonymous A Visitor February 12, 2015 7:45 PM  

Whenever I hear suicide, I think second 16.

One means of suicide is taken away, others will be found. Firearms are not a cause, not a danger. They are tools that can be used for good or bad. Also, since more children drown in 5 gallon buckets than death by gunshot (from More Guns, Less Crime), why not ban 5 gal buckets? After all, it’s for the children! Why is the construction industry anti-children?!?

“There are so many "labor-saving" devices these days that people have time to wallow in their own misery, rather then spending time fighting for survival.”

It is also not a surprise people are fatter today, too, for the same reason.

“What about things that lead to suicide, like naked photos of Lena Dunham?” Just makes me want vomit.

Anonymous zen0 February 12, 2015 8:07 PM  

> I hope for the sake of anyone who has ever pissed me off that I'm never suicidal.

Just for the record, I have always admired and respected you, Dan. I am not sure about the rest of these traitorous bastard, however.

Anonymous zen0 February 12, 2015 8:08 PM  

bastards

Blogger Doom February 12, 2015 8:20 PM  

Aeoli Pera,

Ah, that. While I can't speak for all, for myself, suicide was a punishment. In part for failure. As well, I still loved life, it just seemed impossible. Actually it is, but that is another story, and something I have learned to... tolerate to a degree. So, in dying, I wanted to feel and know death as it came, and it wanted it to be painful, for a confluence of those notions. The only reason I went to the shotgun was because the other ways didn't work. An half cup of draino down the shoot, waiting 12 hours before going to the hospital, and I don't even have ongoing g.i. issues. But it DID hurt me to death. I just got better. Then again, after the shotgun, clicks make me nervous.

Blogger subject by design February 12, 2015 8:24 PM  

Do the godless commit suicide more often than believers? If being moral and avoiding sin means a person is less likely to commit crimes, wouldn't it also mean a person is less likely to commit suicide? Maybe that is the connection that should be explored? Committing suicide is sinful.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 12, 2015 8:31 PM  

"What about things that lead to suicide, like naked photos of Lena Dunham?"

Doesn't that lead to blinding oneself, or at the very least a thorough vomiting?

Anonymous tiredofitall February 12, 2015 8:39 PM  

"If being moral and avoiding sin means a person is less likely to commit crimes, wouldn't it also mean a person is less likely to commit suicide?" - subject by design

I don't know, but in my grandfather's case they sure did their best to hide the fact of how he passed.

One day after losing his job, he "accidentally" left the car running with the garage door closed. As far as I know his death was ruled accidental and he's buried in a catholic cemetery alongside my Nana.

Blogger buzzardist February 12, 2015 9:11 PM  

The slightly smarter gun control advocates avoid saying that guns cause suicide. That argument doesn't hold water whatsoever, and, to the extent that they care about facts, they know that this claim will be shot down quickly. Finding correlation, let alone causation, between gun availability and suicide is nigh impossible. The data often explicitly contradicts the claim.

What these people will claim instead is that, while guns don't cause suicide, they do make suicide more lethal. Suicide, they argue, is more often a call for help, which they back up by pointing out that most people who fail in one suicide attempt don't attempt it again. Guns, they argue, are more lethal than other methods, and so some people might survive to return to productive lives were guns not available to them.

If we want to take on the slightly more challenging argument, this is the one to do battle against. Data from Britain, Japan, and a host of other countries undermines the other claim so quickly that all one really ought to do is mock people for making such an absurd statement. But the claim that guns are more lethal is a bit trickier because, on a basic factual level, those making the claim are correct.

Anonymous Clay February 12, 2015 9:41 PM  

buzzardist , you should perhaps seek some mental therapy. For your personal safety. That was kinda "off-world".

God Bless

Anonymous Culture War Draftee February 12, 2015 9:51 PM  

I was pretty close to blowing my brains out a couple of months ago. I'm not sure why I didn't. I think I told myself just to give it a few more days, to see if what was around the corner was any better. And I just kept going. There are still some things I want to do, so I have to remind myself that I only get a chance to do them if I'm alive.

Blogger buzzardist February 12, 2015 10:03 PM  

Not sure at all what you mean by that, Clay.

I'm simply pointing out that, should you throw this utter lack of statistical correlation between guns and suicide to a semi-intelligent gun-control advocate, the person will easily dodge and try to defend a stronger position. Statistically, yes, most people who attempt suicide once and survive don't attempt it again. Statistically, yes, people who attempt suicide with guns are more likely to die than those who attempt with many other common methods.

It's not difficult to make an intelligent reply to this argument. In fact, it's central claim about gun lethality makes a very good argument for possessing a gun for self defense. It's also, on it's own, not a case for gun control among the larger population who will never attempt suicide. If it were, then we might as well ban cars for everyone, too, since some people attempt suicide with their cars.

My point is that you have to be ready for gun-control advocates to shift ground as soon as you embarrass them with facts, which they will readily do in this instance.

Anonymous Orville February 12, 2015 10:14 PM  

I've seen more semicides around my neck of the woods, at night down dark stretches of the interstate.

I've had close associates who struggle with depression, and while I don't think this is always the case, for some I think it is their thorn in the flesh to lean on Christ. C.H. Spurgeon, the famous 19th century preacher in England suffered bouts of depression throughout his ministry.

Anonymous Orville February 12, 2015 10:18 PM  

I had one person tell me that they'd rather have cancer than struggle with depression. With cancer you either beat it or die, but with depression you just grind on for years. It's hard for me to comprehend that as I don't have those kinds of battles.

Anonymous zen0 February 12, 2015 10:47 PM  

@ Doom

Then again, after the shotgun, clicks make me nervous.

I must ask......... what went wrong?

Anonymous Sam the Man February 12, 2015 10:47 PM  

Well I can say this by direct observation: folks who are atheists who suffer with depression will find, when they are about to commit suicide, if they ask for help from G-d instead of doing the deed , will apparently get it.

Happened to a chap I know. He suffered from some sort of serious depression, sufficiently bad that when he was in one of his black moods and still talking, he could practically bring you down as well. As related to me the follows occurred: after some bad times at grad school was at a low and as he said ”just wanted to put a bullet in his head, not commit suicide, just put a .45 ACP bullet in his head”. Apparently the action and its implication of said action were separated.

In any case in the middle of this he, who was an atheist or at least somewhat agnostic (not sure exactly) asked for help from G-d. In his case it was an explicit Christian G-d. In any case he asked for the mental problem to be lifted, and 5 minutes later it was. As he described it later, although he was then able to go back to do what he needed to do to finish school or whatever the crisis actual was, he also had some kind of Gestalt that suicide was wrong and he could not use that method of escaping the cares of the world.

While one cannot vouch for what actually goes on in someone mind, I would say in the ~20 years since that time he seems to be, by all outward signs a serious Christian and cured of the depression, or so he says. Strangely enough he no longer suffers from depression or whatever was doing him in. It might be because he is now married, kids decent life etc; but in so far as I could see his life was no worse back then, he was athletic, bright fellow, had a cute girlfriend, decent life, etc. Seems like a different person, unless there is some vast thing he is concealing, which I doubt as he really makes no big deal about it except when pointing out treasons that conversion to Christianity are worth considering.

I wonder if at the time folks with serious depression up to suicide point were to appeal to G-d, and if that does not work in 10 minutes appeal to an explicitly Christian form of G-d , they might be cured or at least have the load lifted enough so the overwhelming urge to off themselves is brought down to a level they can manage. In any case food for thought for anyone that suffers from depression, if you are close to pulling the trigger so to speak, consider doing a last minute appeal, it might just work.

Anonymous zen0 February 12, 2015 10:59 PM  

@ Orville I had one person tell me that they'd rather have cancer than struggle with depression. With cancer you either beat it or die, but with depression you just grind on for years..

I have seen more than one person with terminal cancer be quite positive about the whole thing, in a gallows humour kind of way. It really focusses one's attention.

Anonymous zen0 February 12, 2015 11:05 PM  

Seems like a different person, unless there is some vast thing he is concealing, which I doubt as he really makes no big deal about it except when pointing out treasons that conversion to Christianity are worth considering.


Don't rule out demonic influence in his former condition.

Anonymous Discard February 13, 2015 12:41 AM  

Northern Hamlet, anybody else: My best friend killed himself, by acute alcohol poisoning. After he turned 50, he was drunk as a pig by 10:00 am, day after day. I offered to help him put his boat in running shape and start taking it out, he'd agree, but always flake at the last minute. We'd plan to go to the motorcycle races, and he'd be a no-show. I was helpless and I just watched him die.

Your friends want to help. Ask us for whatever we might be able to do. Don't leave us bereaved and ashamed that we didn't rescue you.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 13, 2015 3:20 AM  

But ropes and plastic bags are not created to kill people! Guns are!
- typical Gun Control Advocate

~exit stage right to get my popcorn~

Blogger JP February 13, 2015 3:25 AM  

The best solution for depression I know if is doing something. The body responds to hard physical activity by producing endorphins and other natural chemicals that make you feel better.

Horse shit! When I had depression, doing hard physical activity just made me aggressive and angry. Treating the symptoms don't work. Never has. You need to confront the source of the depression and either eliminate it or remove it. I was the Taekwondo British open champion and I placed 5th in the world championships, ergo I was in top physical condition and I practiced 5 to 7 days per week. Yet I was depressed as fuck. I channeled all my rage into becoming the best I could be, yet it did nothing for my depression. I only beat it when I confronted the cause and overcame it.

Blogger Unknown February 13, 2015 3:37 AM  

A lot of people are lucky that those that kill themselves usually are not thinking right. Even if I ever decided that my life had no meaning... well zero is the center of the number line (generally, lets not argue +_ infinity) and if I have zero meaning that is still way above a bunch of folks out there. I cant comprehend just offing myself but I'll admit that drowning in the blood of my enemies has a certain appeal.

Anonymous JNorth February 13, 2015 3:39 AM  

A lot of people are lucky that those that kill themselves usually are not thinking right. Even if I ever decided that my life had no meaning... well zero is the center of the number line (generally, lets not argue +_ infinity) and if I have zero meaning that is still way above a bunch of folks out there. I cant comprehend just offing myself but I'll admit that drowning in the blood of my enemies has a certain appeal.

(not sure why it showed up as anonymous the first time, sorry about that)

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 13, 2015 3:44 AM  

Our Finn gave me an honorable rational term; endure, continue to endure.

My largest burdensome temptation is suicide or rage or something intimate. I could have won the 2014 chair throwing contest for how I let my reptilian anger run me. 2015 is a new leaf, no more raging.

Stress is a strange temptation that drives many to vice and sin or to virtue or to a better use of such energy. Here and there I send my lesser darker energies into art or something productive, light, etc. Build the portfolio, a few collectors are interested in my work. Mixed feelings...Gen Xers like me are not wanted, rejected in that shallow industry.

Peace, be still and know that I Am The Lord.

OT: This month the girls debt goes from $2992 to $183. Full austerity complete with late rent but she doesn't care, debt must be cut down to shut up anxiety. She also hopes to reduce the rest of it in the name of debt forgiveness for which her debtor has done before. The rest of 2015 will be massively reduced incomes therefore that 2992 will take til 4/2015 top pay off. Can't have that, gotta do March 1st. Dec 1st 20014 was 5400.

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Experiment N=1:
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Anonymous joe doakes February 13, 2015 8:14 AM  

Clayton Cramer's book "My Brother Ron" is worth reading. Clayton is a 2d Amd good guy.

Blogger Owen February 13, 2015 8:39 AM  

Northern Hamlet,
That actually does help (I think/hope).

Like I said, it seemed the more I pushed to help, the worse it became.

I'll try small diversions.

JP,
One of my friends has been able to address his issue head on and has made progress. I'm still not sure if he's suicidal, because I don't know if he'd let it be known again. I keep engaged with him every week or so.

The other? Too young to really address the problem. I think it would cause more problems that it might fix. It's complicated.

Blogger Matamoros February 13, 2015 9:40 AM  

A bit off topic, but is this 4G war or not? Vox, Col. Kratman?

"Many countries around the world have shown growing interest in a novel, but scientifically verified, militarily field-tested approach to reducing turmoil. Among military circles worldwide, this approach is known as Invincible Defense Technology (IDT)."

Scientific militarily field-tested approach to end Ukraine’s war

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/13/scientific-militarily-field-tested-approach-end-ukraines-war/

Blogger borderwalker February 13, 2015 12:01 PM  

One reason the anti-gunners make the "reduce guns to reduce suicide" argument is because the "reduce guns to reduce crime" argument has so clearly failed: homicide and violent crime are now about half what they were twenty years ago, while the population has greatly increased and number of privately-owned handguns has doubled - and the trend has continued through at least two periods of sustained economic distress.

In fact, we've reached this weird, uncanny valley where there are far fewer homicides each year than there are suicides. (I remember when it was the other way 'round.)

Their ideological and cultural commitment to disarming the citizenry forces them to find another argument, hence the "reduce guns to reduce suicides and accidents" argument - now with more "Think of The Children" (tm)!

Buzzardist has a point when he notes a cursory examination of the stats shows that neither the suicide- or child-accident-prevention arguments for gun control bear any scrutiny at all.

Then, all they have left is the emotional argument - and they usually double down on that.

But, as Mr. Corriea (and others) point out, internet arguing is a spectator sport. You won't convince the antis, but you will show open-minded third parties that the suicide- and accident-prevention argument is fraudulent.

Blogger borderwalker February 13, 2015 12:03 PM  

Statistics: Don't take my word for it. The CDC's WISQARS tool lets you sift throught the data yourself, and the FBI UCR site is pretty easy to use.

Enjoy.

Anonymous Anubis February 13, 2015 12:20 PM  

I would never end my own life while those who destroy civilization still draw breath within easy traveling distance.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 13, 2015 12:58 PM  

Another aspect of mis use of fire arms is that the next suicide would be used as a example if they use a gun to end it all. But really its a failed attempt, the hand/gun slips. jams, etc., and the person doubles their pain as they bleed to death. worst of all, 911 comes in, if found and ignores the DNR written across your chest, they revive you and then its months if not years in rehab, so tough it out,. we are handed problems as opportunities for greatness or a simple lesson, dont give up.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 13, 2015 6:36 PM  

Discard,

Your friends want to help. Ask us for whatever we might be able to do. Don't leave us bereaved and ashamed that we didn't rescue you.

I appreciate the sentiment. However, though you probably meant no harm, I bristle at the suggestion that I need to be rescued. Maybe I'm being unneedfully prideful, but it's a truth that as a man my decisions are my own. Frankly, tough love from friends works for me best, though I wouldn't suggest this across the board for people with depression.


Owen,

That actually does help

I'm glad. You'll be in my prayers and my best to you.

Anonymous Discard February 13, 2015 6:46 PM  

Northern Hamlet: No slight intended.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 13, 2015 8:04 PM  

@Doom,

>Ah, that. While I can't speak for all, for myself, suicide was a punishment. In part for failure. As well, I still loved life, it just seemed impossible.

I reflected on my question afterward and came to the same conclusion, so thanks for verifying. I still don't really grok it, the way I don't grok why neurotypicals think it seems smart/clever to dodge simple, direct questions, but at least I understand now to some degree.

Blogger Doom February 14, 2015 1:08 AM  

Aeoli Pera,

I went from about to make rank, than mustang, buy a new Harley cash in hand with change enough to buy into a home, and had access to some of the finest pussy a man could want, and then it all went away. Initially it was thought to be depression, turned out to be ptsd and a really bad heart... probably from a viral attack. All I knew was that everything I was doing and planning stopped. I couldn't get my ass out of bed most days, early on.

Given everything, I think it makes perfect sense. Most men who become a burden, especially young, without even a good answer as to why, or a solution out of it... yeah... Why whine, just end it. And I gave it a hell of a try a number of times. Wasn't in my hands.

Blogger Doom February 14, 2015 1:13 AM  

Zeno,

No clue. My roommates shotgun. He bought fresh ammo. He poached deer for his meat, shared some of it. He had just bagged a deer a week before my attempt. I have no idea why it didn't go off. I loaded it myself, from his fresh ammo... a name brand too. Put the barrel in my mouth and pulled the trigger. Actually, initially, I thought I was dead and in the afterlife or something. Who would have imagined. Later on, the sound of that *click" really got to me.

No clue as to why it didn't go boom. Boomstick, check. Boomstick boom stuff, check. No boom!

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 14, 2015 9:02 AM  

Nah, it wasn't going to work, you are meant to stay here no matter how checked out some of us are, we have to refine situations or find something that brings happiness. I was playing the 'horse they rode in on' and it struck me the cd is 20 years old.

I'm too high strung to qualify for depression so I send problems/negativity to workouts and hobbies. If I go sedentary major health problems will expand. The anxiety is the bitch, chest pain, irrational feelings, etc. My choice is to take a cooler objective stance and remain less reactionary. I inadvertently irk those around me for not reacting. Reacting takes emotional energy that I refuse to spend, like money, I wont spend it.

Negativity is not bad, I enjoy the logical powers of negative thinking. I refer to the physical symptoms of anxiety/panic that occur when there is no way out but through my problems.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza February 14, 2015 3:54 PM  

I opt for no help and refuse to ask. Venting suffices just fine.

For example, over the weekend I asked 3 friends (local) for money nothing major just groceries, toiletries, etc. I have returned to stores things bought but went unused.

God beautifully provides without a doubt its just the mental side of conditions like prolonged anxiety/panic.

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