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Friday, February 27, 2015

Justice belatedly prevails

It doesn't matter what you think of Adrian Peterson. It doesn't matter if you think he should be hung, drawn, and quartered for the crime of overdisciplining his son, for which he has already been dealt the legal consequences. All that matters is the basic legal principle that the worse commissioner in NFL history, Roger Goodell, violated, the principle of retroactivity:
The 16-page ruling from Judge David Doty that reinstates Vikings running back Adrian Peterson turns on one fairly simple conclusion:  The NFL cannot apply its new personal conduct policy retroactively.

“There is no dispute that the Commissioner imposed Peterson’s discipline under the New Policy,” Judge Doty wrote. “It is also undisputed that in the [Ray] Rice arbitration, the hearing officer unequivocally recognized that the New Policy cannot be applied retroactively, notwithstanding the Commissioner’s broad discretion in meting out punishment under the CBA. . . . Consistent with that recognition, the Commissioner has acknowledged that he did not have the power to retroactively apply the New Policy: ‘The policy change was forward looking because the League is “required to provide proper notice.”‘ . . . Yet, just two weeks later, the Commissioner retroactively applied the New Policy to Peterson.”

In other words, Judge Doty concluded that the NFL was making it up as went along.
This is further evidence that the Sports Guy was right and Goodell is a dishonest man who is overmatched by his responsibilities, overly concerned with PR details that he should leave well alone, and fundamentally out of control. As for those who feign concern for women and children, and claim that the likes of Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson should be prevented from making a living, how can anyone possibly pretend that removing the ability of those who support them to do so going to help the victims of these petty domestic crimes.

And they are petty. It may, depending upon the circumstances, be wrong to punch a woman once. It is certainly too harsh to spank a child until he bleeds. But in a nation where not one single banker has been jailed despite the theft of literal trillions of dollars for a wide variety of shamelessly dishonest acts, it is ludicrous to pretend that these are the serious crimes that demand more significant punishments.

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62 Comments:

Anonymous Haxo Angmark February 27, 2015 5:01 AM  

the National Felons League: where open-borders, Jew-billionaire team-owners pay Black steroids $20 million/year to distract White Men from the fact that their Race, Nation, and Civilization are being liquidated

Blogger Sherwood family February 27, 2015 5:13 AM  

Interesting. Goodell's involvement made the whole thing a circus and was not necessary. The issue could have been handled quietly by the league with new policies put in place going forward.

Of course, I am of the school that believes in the Roman concepts of patria potestas and manus as being a rational and reasonable method for maintaining civilization and in the soverignty of a father over his household members. (Both legal concepts were watered down early in Roman history and gradually disappeared as legal realities.)

As to the punishment of bankers, may I suggest the punishment that the legends say the Parthians meted out to Marcus Licinius Crassus after his defeat at Carrhae: death by molten gold being poured down his throat. This was done to "sate" Crassus' lust for wealth.

What would be the appropriate punishment for Goodell for his crimes against the NFL? Maybe, a weekend as a tackling dummy?

Anonymous sir brian February 27, 2015 5:31 AM  

That's a waste of gold and the energy used to melt it. Impalement through the anus and out the top of the skull I think would suffice.

It makes little difference what laws govern us. Culture dictates trends and influence behavior, and public influence and shame have proven out as we see in our own terrible country.

Blogger Sherwood family February 27, 2015 5:46 AM  

Ouch! Getting "Transylvanian" on them does have a certain elegance to it, though, sir brian.

If culture dictates trends, what dictates culture?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 February 27, 2015 5:49 AM  

not so certain Justice was done. In a UCC maritime gold braid court a judge makes an executive order?

Is that what is really meant by "do Justice, love mercy and walk humbly before God"?

Try a Jury of Peers, sovereign and free men, without fear of favour, makes the same determination after hearing all evidence. I think that's more the way Justice ideally works.

If all law is contract, why are people, outsourcing justice to people who don't fear God? It's a multi trillion dollar rhetorical tangent/ always circumlocutory - it's the only way out.

Anonymous nates tears February 27, 2015 6:32 AM  

#NFLGate is coming...

Anonymous Aus Köln February 27, 2015 6:43 AM  

Genetics.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 27, 2015 6:45 AM  

How many of you would hire, rent out an apartment you own to, or let a tradesman enter your home when you were there if they had served time for a felony?

Anonymous sir brian February 27, 2015 6:51 AM  

"If culture dictates trends, what dictates culture"

Rocks, I wager.

Anonymous robot February 27, 2015 6:53 AM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 27, 2015 7:10 AM  

Collage campus justice where basically a rough around the edges or maybe to the core black man was trumped by the passive aggressive harpies of SJW unfeminine females with lots of help from the white knight girly men.

If only we could get those two camps to fight to the death. But then again conservative white men live and die by merciless abstractions so they refuse to see an opportunity.

Blogger BCM February 27, 2015 7:21 AM  

*worst, not worse commissioner

Blogger Desiderius February 27, 2015 7:53 AM  

Goodell's family history is an interesting one.

Also shows how socio-sexual cluelessness can kill a career. The man has anti-game professionally.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 27, 2015 8:13 AM  

Northern Hamlet: "How many of you would hire, rent out an apartment you own to, or let a tradesman enter your home when you were there if they had served time for a felony?"

Depending on the felony (such as a copyright infringement, holocaust denial in many places, possession for personal use of the wrong drug in the wrong state, or various felonies that amount to mouthing off to a cop), not a problem.

Heck no to big offenses such as tax evasion on the massive scale of those who rule us. But of course they would never be in that position; forget having that kind of job, they would never be charged let alone be convicted.

I might hesitate more with a hard-core recidivist, regardless of whether it was technically a felony, but again it depends. Brigitte Bardot, convicted for however many times now for talking like a white woman in a free country, need not be concerned that I would refuse to hire her, rent to her or let her enter my home.

Many felonies really are felonies. Many others, now, merely amount to this: the powers that be decided to crush you, without justice or even a sense of proportion.

Which I believe is where we came in on this topic.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 8:21 AM  

I said back when he was suspended ''you watch, this'll be overturned''. I thought the union would be the one to do it, but it wound up being a judge.
The reason I knew this was the history of the NFL's drug policy, it was implemented only after negotiations with the NFLPA (same with other pro team sports):
All players get the whiz quiz at the start of training camp.
A player that flunks (or tells the team ''I got a problem'' like Manziel just did) goes to rehab, no penalty, and it can even remain confidential.
After that the player is subject to random tests at any time. Flunk again, six (regular season) game suspension (or in the playoffs, suspended for all remaining games up to and including the Super Bowl).
AGAIN, suspended for a season.
Lawrence Taylor and Todd Marinovitch both went through that.
As noted, the rules and penalties are clear and predefined.
That's where Baddell blew it, he should have said ''this is an issue between the Vikings and Peterson and the NFL will review it's policies about this in the offseason''
In other words he could have (and should have) 'punted' and let the Vikes impose a suspension ''for conduct detrimental to the team'' (which BTW, the Vikes did just that).
Baddell would have been in the clear and the Vikes would have taken the heat for suspending Peterson.
But here's why Baddell is a moron, under NFL (and union/player contract) policies a team can suspend a player ''for conduct detrimental to the team'' for pretty much any reason at all!
The same thing happened to Michael Jackson when the allegations of child abuse first surfaced - Disney and Pepsi invoked the ''moral turpitude'' clause in their spokesman contracts with him and 'threw him under the bus'. Didn't matter whether Jackson actually did the nasty deeds or not, that was in the contracts and they used it - done and done.

Anonymous BillB February 27, 2015 8:50 AM  

And why wouldn't Goodell do so? He simply follows the best example we have at usurping power and doing W ever TF he wants, the great Obama.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 9:36 AM  

I make no bones about my hatred of Baddell, hell, what I'd like to see is ''During the Owner's meetings the Owners voted to dismiss Baddell as NFL commissioner effective immediately. The corpse of Al Davis has been appointed interim commissioner until a suitable replacement is found''
Here how it could have played out:
The Vikes suspend Peterson ''for conduct detrimental to the team'' for the rest of the season (playoffs too, had they made it).
They MUST pay him just as if he were playing, they could have even made him attend the games, suit up as if he were playing and make him sit on the bench - game after game after game.
Peterson would have been pissed, Vox would've bitched about it, but it would have been totally OK under NFL rules. If a team itself suspends a player (like I said, any reason or no reason at all) it's treated exactly as if he were listed as 'injured - out' for as many games as the team wants for the remainder of his contract.
Baddell didn't have to get involved at all, because he did he should be canned posthaste.
The corpse of Al Davis would be a better NFL commissioner.
If he were still alive, NO, but a dead Al Davis would do just fine. They could even prop him up Weekend at Bernie's style and spray him with air freshener from time to time and he'd stink less than Baddell.

Anonymous Anarchopurplism February 27, 2015 9:40 AM  

The fact that the NFL is appealing in an attempt to drag this out is even more disgusting.

As a long time NFL fan, last night I started thinking about maybe not paying as much attention to the NFL. I cannot stand the pandering. If you are going to pander to the pinkshirts, you might end up losing the real men who are the core-fans.

The NFL is dealing with petty political issues. They should be focusing on improving game experience. More insight into play-call strategies (in-game tools fans can leverage online/apps....play-pick 'ems) during live games. Alternate IP broadcasts so fans can start announcing for games on their own time & build a cult following, alternate angles with replay abilities, helmet-cams & etc.

Anonymous Daniel February 27, 2015 9:52 AM  

Al Davis would have been superior to Goodell. He would have been raked over the coals for NOT illegally and retroactively punishing players, but he would have been superior. Dead or alive, any era (Good Al, Crazy Al, Imploding Al or Ex-Al).

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 10:04 AM  

Titus Didius Tacitus:
Hate to say it, but if you do a background check on someone (and they're not registered as a sex offender) depending on the State, it'll often come back as ''Convicted Felon'', nothing else - just like with the gun laws.
I know someone who got pulled over while driving, the license has ''corrective lenses'' on it, got ticketed for it.
Guess what? FELONY, wasn't even arrested, just fined.
Paid the fine, that counts as ''plead guilty''.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 10:27 AM  

oh look... the white nationalist omegas are acting like butthurt losers again...

what a shock.

Anonymous Tawmmy from Quinzee February 27, 2015 10:53 AM  

the National Felons League: where open-borders, Jew-billionaire team-owners pay Black steroids $20 million/year to distract White Men from the fact that their Race, Nation, and Civilization are being liquidated

WHO LET DEEZ FACKING DAHKIES ON THE FACKING FIELD?

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 11:05 AM  

After all that, now I'm going to give the NFL (as a whole) some props!
They (as a whole) did handle the Sam Bradford (AKA ''the gay football player'') situation perfectly.
The Rams had several 7th round picks and they wasted one on Bradford - they could honestly say ''Hey, he did get drafted!''. The Rams kept him in the preseason until the final cut, just like the Patriots did with Tim Tebow.
The Cowboys parked him on their practice squad until mid-season ''Hey, he made an NFL roster!'' then during the World Series (when sports news is pretty full) they dumped him.
If he'd turned out to be the next Lawrence Taylor he'd still be on an NFL roster - compared to drugs, DUI and gambling, faggotry ain't that bad.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 27, 2015 11:20 AM  

How many of you would hire, rent out an apartment you own to, or let a tradesman enter your home when you were there if they had served time for a felony?

Its actually a felony in TX to lie about the size of a fish you catch. What about buggery? I had an ex that told the cops I put Tri sodium phosphate in my laundry, its a good thing he didn't say I lied about a fish. I am surprised bath house Barry hasn't dumped dead tranny crack hoes from Marian Barry's parties at David Duke's house to frame him.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/honest-angler/2011/05/how-lying-about-fish-size-could-land-you-jail

I did some temp coverage at a sports medicine clinic and the docs there can tell what sort of performance enhancing drugs are used by the injury patterns. There are too many felons in the NFL for them to be able to field teams if they where removed. The "gay football player" didn't even have great stats especially for his position, they may have been overinflated because high school boys where afraid to tackle him.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:22 AM  

They (as a whole) did handle the Sam Bradford (AKA ''the gay football player'') situation perfectly.
The Rams had several 7th round picks and they wasted one on Bradford - they could honestly say ''Hey, he did get drafted!''.


Michael Sam is the gay defensive end.

Sam Bradford is the perpetually injured quarterback.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:25 AM  

The "gay football player" didn't even have great stats especially for his position, they may have been overinflated because high school boys where afraid to tackle him.

Are you referring to Michael Sam?

Because if you are, this sentence is completely wrong.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:36 AM  

I love it when people who know absolutely nothing about the NFL demonstrate it so effectively.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:39 AM  

Maybe we should have a small quiz you'll need to pass in order to comment on football threads...

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 February 27, 2015 11:43 AM  

Michael Sam is the gay defensive end.

Sam Bradford is the perpetually injured quarterback.


To be fair, when was the last time anyone saw either player on a football field?
Boomer Sooner.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:44 AM  

lets just clear some things up shall we:

1) Sam Bradford is a white quarterback. He was taken first over all in the draft. He has been good when he isn't hurt.. but he's hurt all the time.

2) Micheal Sam is a gay black defensive end. He was taken last in the draft. He was Mr Irrelevant. It was a publicity stunt. But... he had an excellent college career. He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year his senior year... he lead the SEC in sacks and raised all manner of hell. He was never going to do anything in the NFL though..because he's just to small. He's to slow to be a linebacker and to small to be a Defensive End.

He was cut by the Rams... even though all of you NFL conspiracy types were predicting he would be made a starter just because he's gay. Well... he didn't make the team. Which is what I predicted..and what anyone that actually paid attention knew would happen. Dallas signed him to their practice squad and cut him after a few weeks.

And yes... there is another side to the story. Turns out Sam was a pain in the ass in the locker room at St Louis. He's a drama queen and he's all the time making everything about him. Fisher didn't like him. And he showed the same behavior in Dallas.

You can bet Micheal Sam actually made it worse for future gay players.... not better. Because he acted like such an asshole.

Anonymous Daniel February 27, 2015 11:46 AM  

Michael Sam was pretty good and was drafted slightly low, I thought. He's performing and placing normally for his draft position: not overachieving by any means, but not underdelivering either. He was a very good bet at that kind of money. I would have taken him 7th for sure. I would have taken him in the 5th and felt it was a worthwhile shot. The draft broke for him slightly unfortunately, and he (like all players) grossly overestimated his own position. I'm surprised he didn't make a practice squad: he got a wide range of medium skills so he could scout a number of positions, but that doesn't make him that special, because every team has its own scout team philosophy (as a storage unit, as an unbalanced unit, as a targeted skill unit, as a simulator, as counterattacker etc. I like counterattacker/surprise/random or modified simulator myself, but most teams don't scout that way. And no, I don't know what the real names for the philosophies are - those are just how I think of them.)

A lot of 7th rounders never play a down, especially in the 1st year.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:47 AM  

But... he had an excellent college career. He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year his senior year... he lead the SEC in sacks and raised all manner of hell. He was never going to do anything in the NFL though..because he's just to small. He's to slow to be a linebacker and to small to be a Defensive End.

And he had third round grades from the draft experts until the combine, where he was horrible in every drill.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:48 AM  

Before you comment on an NFL thread... you should have to:

1) demonstrate understanding of the differences between a 3-4 and a 4-3

2) Describe a screen pass and explain when its best to use it and why it is effective.

3) Describe a back shoulder throw, and explain why it is effective

4) Publicly question Tom Brady's sexuality.

Anonymous Daniel February 27, 2015 11:50 AM  

I should have written "I might even have taken him as high as the 5th" - again based on what he did at Mizzou. Now that he's washed out and fulfilled the pick, it is easy to see that he's not NFL material. At the time, I would have not thought anything about some needy team taking him 5th or 6th.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 11:50 AM  

Daniel:
Al Davis would have been superior to Goodell. He would have been raked over the coals for NOT illegally and retroactively punishing players
Actually, Davis was quite good to players, most that played for him loved him. Coaches, OTOH...

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:51 AM  

"And he had third round grades from the draft experts until the combine, where he was horrible in every drill."

meh.

I never bought that 3rd round shit for a second. I think that was just media bulshit

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:52 AM  

I never bought that 3rd round shit for a second. I think that was just media bulshit

SEC Defensive Player of the Year is going to get a huge benefit of the doubt.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:53 AM  

"Michael Sam was pretty good and was drafted slightly low, I thought."

Like Josh pointed out... he had a terrible combine... and... he was a problem in the locker room. Not because he was gay. but because he was an asshole.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 11:54 AM  

"
SEC Defensive Player of the Year is going to get a huge benefit of the doubt."

So do heisman winners.

Where did Jason White get drafted again?

Oh right.

He didn't.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:54 AM  

Actually, Davis was quite good to players, most that played for him loved him.

Yes, that was Daniel's point.

Well done.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 11:55 AM  

Where did Jason White get drafted again?

Oh right.

He didn't.


True. But he was in his mid twenties and he didn't have any knees.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 11:58 AM  

Oops, got the name wrong. But what I said about him and Lawrence Taylor (who IIRC was even doing coke during games) and is an NFL hall-of-famer for what he did on the field (besides coke).

Anonymous Daniel February 27, 2015 11:59 AM  

Nate, I think a safety for the Texans/ex-Oilers(heh heh) was Mr. Irrelevant last year, and I'm pretty sure he at least made the team.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 12:01 PM  

"True. But he was in his mid twenties and he didn't have any knees."

Right.

Which is pretty much the same thing as Micheal Sam being to slow and to little. There's a reason he had a terrible combine. he looks fast as a DE... but he's to little to be a DE. And when you look at his film against teams like Bama well... you see why he's to little. Guys like the size of Fluker would throw him around.

So you have to compare him to the Linebackers... and when you compare him to the linebackers he's stiff and slow and he couldn't cover at all.

Blogger LysanderSpooner February 27, 2015 12:05 PM  

Holy Mother of God, an American Judge actually may a correct call.
The "Pocky Lips" may be imminent.

Although I do not agree with Peterson's child rearing methods, I am not black, it is another culture, so let God be the Judge. My sons attend an Ivy League school, one is a Chemistry major, the other an ECON major, and the apples did not fall far from the tree, so I do live in a completely different universe than Peterson. Personally, I never hit my kids, but they took plenty in their hockey days, and I in my futball days, but certainly nothing like the likes of Peterson has had to endure.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 12:08 PM  

Speaking of the Raiders, again they're making noise about going to LA again.
And bringing the Chargers (yes, back) to LA with them!
Can you say 'clusterfuck'?
IOW, Situation Normal All Fucked Up for the Raiders.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 12:20 PM  

OT: Just got word, Spock died.
Surprisingly Whackopedia hasn't updated yet.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 12:29 PM  

"OT: Just got word, Spock died."

Shatner will just resurrect him again...

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 February 27, 2015 12:29 PM  

Speaking of the Raiders, again they're making noise about going to LA again

They're not going to LA. Or to Carson for that matter.
Just trying to leverage something from nothing.
I have an Irwindale Raiders t-shirt in child's medium from when I was 7 when Davis swindled that poor town out of all the money they had by promising to move the team there -- they were going to put the stadium in a rock quarry, which is fitting if you think about it.
I sincerely hope that LA never has an NFL team again.

Blogger Josh February 27, 2015 12:32 PM  

"OT: Just got word, Spock died."

Shatner will just resurrect him again...


Sheldon has his DNA on a napkin, so he can clone him.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper February 27, 2015 12:44 PM  

Two points, none really about the NFL which I know little about , care nothing anything and would not care of they fell in the proverbial sea,

1st- I am glad justice was upheld in this case.

2nd- To answer Northern Hamlet's question, I could care less about what felonies someone did for the most part. Some sex offenses and trust crimes, and unstable people /situations are exempted . Fact is far too many crimes are overcharged anyway and others ought not either be criminal or felonies or aren't a threat to to me and mine which is the main concern I have.

Blogger YIH February 27, 2015 12:46 PM  

Huckleberry -- est. 1977:
They're not going to LA. Or to Carson for that matter.
Just a few months ago they were jerking San Antonio's chain so who knows what the hell they'll do?
Remember this is the team that sided with the USFL in it's suit with the NFL. I wonder if Rozelle paid the three bucks out of his pocket ;)

Blogger Nate February 27, 2015 1:15 PM  

"Two points, none really about the NFL which I know little about , care nothing anything and would not care of they fell in the proverbial sea,"
'
Thats really super interesting.

Now shut up and go talk about something you do care about with people who give a fuck.

Anonymous FP February 27, 2015 1:23 PM  

"Shatner will just resurrect him again..."

JJ Abrams more likely. Spock has just gone on to a new rebooted universe.

Anonymous Captain Kirk February 27, 2015 2:00 PM  

"OT: Just got word, Spock died."

Live long and prosper

Shin

Anonymous J. J. February 27, 2015 4:16 PM  

"...making it up as they went along".... " overly concerned with PR details that he should leave well alone, and fundamentally out of control"

Wait, are we talking about Roger Goodell and the NFL or Mark Emmet and the NCAA?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper February 27, 2015 4:36 PM  

Nate, I do care about justice which is what this article was about or so I thought.

I also wanted to answer Northern Hamlet's question .Now i its actually about the game of football or ya'll wanna talk scores or something, go for it. I won't chime in.

Blogger Marissa February 27, 2015 6:34 PM  

White men are inordinately obsessed with sweaty, muscular black men. More so than Whiskey ever claims white women are.

Anonymous A Visitor February 27, 2015 6:42 PM  

All I have to say is suck that Goodell!

Anonymous WaterBoy February 27, 2015 8:10 PM  

Nate: "He was taken last in the draft. He was Mr Irrelevant."

Close. He was picked 34th in the 7th round, #249 of 256 total.

"Because he acted like such an asshole."

Here is a quote from him after the draft:

"In all honesty, from last season alone, I should have been a high, first three rounds [pick]. SEC Defensive Player of the Year, unanimous All-American, I should have gone in the top three rounds easily. But you know what? It is what it is. I'm happy to be a St. Louis Ram. Everything else is history."

Yup, all Humble Pie there. 'Cause he knows better than dozens of professional NFL scouts and coaches.

Blogger ray February 27, 2015 9:53 PM  

Justice prevails? Where, exactly?

It was a jackal-fest for Medea, especially Sports Medea. All those announcers and pundits and commentators (yeah you in particular ESPN) couldn't wait to stomp Petersen, and show how Committed To the War Against Domestic Violence they were -- and of course the PSA and Superbowl fem-prop followed.

Are all these fatuous predators going to apologize now? . . . and admit that they were only too happy to stomp Some Other Guy if it meant advancing one rung on the Gender Approval ladder? Isn't mommy proud of them now?

Funny thing. Not a week goes by these days that I don't see another DV, rape, or sexual harassment accusation/proceeding involving some college or pro athlete. It's a going business in New America, producing wealth, sympathy, attention, and collective legal/political power for the 'victims'.

Anonymous goes around comes xyz February 28, 2015 7:44 AM  

#NFLgate is when Nate goes full SJW.

Not a big surprise since Nate is a closeted queer.

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