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Saturday, February 28, 2015

Of deceit and discourse

Chris Gerrib made a demonstrably incorrect statement yesterday. He also implied that he had read the entire book, pointing out that he had bought it and talking about details from the first chapter. I called him on his statement and asked him a simple, straightforward yes/no question that would have indicated it to be not only false, but disingenuous and knowingly false.

You made a false and disingenuous claim about what "this SJW shit" is. Do you admit that "this SJW shit" is what "gleefully subverts gender roles" and "the subversion of the dominant white male paradigm"? Yes or no?

Instead of answering the question as per the clearly posted rules of the blog, Chris then went on to post NINE additional comments evading it. I gave him three opportunities to answer, and when he would not do so, I informed him that he would not be posting any more further comments here until he answered the question. This was his not-entirely-unexpected response:
Vox- I'm done talking to you. If you don't want me to comment here, get me banned. Otherwise, fuck off. If you think that's conflict avoidance, whatever. Why I should give a damn about the opinion of a one-name wonder is beyond me.
He is done talking to me. He is done talking to everyone here, now that he is banned and spammed. Furthermore, I note that Chris Gerrib is a liar, a deceiver, an intellectual coward, and a near-textbook example of an insecure, passive-aggressive, conflict-avoidant gamma male, who turns evasive and runs away rather than even take the risk of being publicly forced to admit that he was wrong.

What was fascinating about his behavior yesterday is that at Alpha Game, we have been discussing precisely this pattern of behavior of men who belong to this socio-sexual demographic for the last two weeks, and helping various gammas try to break the pattern. Gerrib's behavior fit it to a T; it was so predictable that several of us were discussing it before he even finished the customary Gamma routine. As one observer said, it was like watching a textbook example in action.
Notice the various elements of the socio-sexual hierarchy at work:
  • Alpha: doesn't mind straightforward conflict, will not tolerate disrespect, is comfortable with direct and physical conflict. The political is not personal.
  • Gamma: can't tolerate disagreement or criticism, bitchy, cowardly, puts himself in situations he is not equipped to handle. The political is personal, the technical is personal, everything is personal. Runs from direct confrontation.
 Here are a few of the typical Gamma behaviors identified by an ex-Gamma that were obvious throughout the comments.
  • In the past year you can’t recall a single serious online discussion you were wrong about anything.
  • In the past two years you can’t recall one discussion with any friends or family in which you were wrong about anything.
  • When finally shown you are wrong about something it is devastating, you remember it for months or years, avoid that place or people, and consider your time there a failure as a person.
  • You routinely lie about small, personal, matters knowing you can get away with it.
  • You think width of knowledge is more important than depth of knowledge.
  • If you start to lose at any game you find a way to quit if you can and hope to save face by degrading the game or the other players.
  • If someone defeats you at a game or competition you can’t look them in the eye afterwards and try to avoid them if possible. 
The two points that I thought was the most telling yesterday were those that concern routinely lying and width of knowledge. From the very start, Gerrib deceitfully struck a pose of being more knowledgeable about the book than he actually was before eventually exposing his own deceit.
  1. "Well, having bought the book based on the author's reading of the first chapter at Windycon, I read stuff like this. Chapter 1 was pretty active, ending with a shoot-out and a bad guy trying to use some kind of mind-control device." 
  2. "if you had gotten as far as the end of chapter 1, you would have found out that the women who cause the first gunfight were both Asian."
  3. "I have not read past chapter 1."
This behavior makes no sense to the non-gamma male, but to prefer everyone knowing that you're deceitful to publicly admitting that you're wrong is the quintessence of gamma. Gammas know no honor because they reject the concept, they consider it foolish. And there is no place in the public discourse here for those who intentionally seek to deceive their fellow commenters.

This is not the first time Gerrib has behaved in this manner. S1AL noted:
That's a truly amusing statement coming from someone incapable of admitting when he is incorrect about any fact. Really, tell me again how there were no black people in a pirate movie before 2005... or how the Declaration of Independence is the "founding" document of America. But hey, now I know it's not just me to whom you won't admit being wrong.
The Rules of the Blog exist for several good reasons, and one of the primary ones is to foster honest, civil, and rational discourse. Those who demonstrate that they either cannot or will not engage in such discourse will not be permitted to continue commenting here.

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 28, 2015 5:16 AM  

The Gamma: "You think width of knowledge is more important than depth of knowledge."

Interesting. This might be used to argue that you shouldn't dabble in what is beyond your station in life.

Many times, I feel like I've spread my interests rather thinly. Though, I do have a core of focused interests that I'm heavily invested in (Christ, the Church, family, job vocation). But as far as hobbies...sometimes I wonder if I've sampled too much of the world without learning to know more about it. (I'm talking about things such as music, literature, various news and science topics.)

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 February 28, 2015 5:32 AM  

? didn't the North Vietnamese win because of avoiding direct confrontations?
I don't think that's OT.
Jesus' parabolic and elliptical answers were part of the mission.
4G is one chapter of total warfare isn't it? just thinking out loud - again.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 5:33 AM  

? didn't the North Vietnamese win because of avoiding direct confrontations?

No.

Anonymous kh123 February 28, 2015 5:39 AM  

Gerrib had a better reception than some when he first got here, or at least, the benefit of the doubt was given him more than once. Still managed to forget the Sunday best he wears in his profile pic and furiously piss himself in the end, and over... what. "17 blacks in Seattle, therefore verisimilitude when Mangela and Jamie Lee Curtis show up. It's in the first chapter!"

Blogger SirThermite February 28, 2015 5:50 AM  

"Gammas know no honor because they reject the concept, they consider it foolish. And there is no place in the public discourse here for those who intentionally seek to deceive their fellow commenters."

Amen. And now I'm picturing Rainn Wilson in his new anti-PC, sigma, Backstrom role (not his pathetic gyno-pedestalizing vigilante "Super" role) getting into the mind of a suspect. "I'm a man...so why am I behaving like a deceitful woman when I don't have a gina telling me to shit-test. Because I'm a Gamma with manhood issues, that's why."

Anonymous Gary February 28, 2015 5:56 AM  

"Gammas know no honor because they reject the concept, they consider it foolish."

If you have no honor you have nothing.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 February 28, 2015 5:57 AM  

I don't read much social science theory, because, well, frankly, where it it take 20thCentury America/ Europe? One book I knocked over was Child Psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover's Homosexuality and the Politics of TruthSo much of the book illustrates gray scales/ continua in social psychological markers. Alpha Gamma Delta Epsilon Aldous Huxley type epiphets makes behavior look stochastic in nature - like one's either riding a bicycle or flying a plane. Yet aviation grew up with bicycle undercarriages. A bicycle with wings is just a first generation jumbo jet. It's sunset in melbourne - cheers

Anonymous Patrick February 28, 2015 5:58 AM  

didn't the North Vietnamese win because of avoiding direct confrontations?

Indeed not, the NVA would seek to directly confront the ARVN and American troops in a close battle, sometimes referred to as “Grab Their Belts to Fight Them!” A close battle inside 100 to 300 meters would prevent the Americans from using their massive firepower, artillery and airstrikes, against the NVA and also allow them to inflict maximum casualties on the Americans or ARVN.

Blogger MATT February 28, 2015 6:00 AM  

I believe the following statement is both relevant and on topic: Golden Oreos are the future.

Blogger SirThermite February 28, 2015 6:15 AM  

If you have no honor you have nothing.

I see your honor...and I'll raise you one single mom, two illegitimate infants, one illegal immigrant, and an acting U.S. President

Anonymous Steve February 28, 2015 6:15 AM  

The guy seemed rather Aspergery to me. Had a quick look at his Livejournal (lol) - he's an IT guy, Rotarian, probable virgin. All signs point to Aspergers.

Blogger James Sullivan February 28, 2015 6:31 AM  

I want to say that a few months back, Gerrib was pulling the same thing over on John C. wright's blog.

I think Mr. Wright might have ended up telling him the same thing.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 6:37 AM  

I want to say that a few months back, Gerrib was pulling the same thing over on John C. wright's blog.

Yes, I know. Which is why his behavior did not surprise me in the least. I found it amusing to have to repeatedly ask such a very simple question, knowing he would do anything but answer it. But it is good to give people the opportunity to show they have changed. Once it's clear they have not, one should act without hesitation.

Anonymous kfg February 28, 2015 6:57 AM  

My posts are a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And I am a man who has never been wrong;
And I am Marie of Romania.

Anonymous Gary February 28, 2015 7:03 AM  

"I see your honor...and I'll raise you one single mom, two illegitimate infants, one illegal immigrant, and an acting U.S. President"

Good luck with that when the poop hits the fan.

Blogger deadman February 28, 2015 7:06 AM  

Admittedly OT.
Yet speaking of deceit.
Petition to stop Premiere Wynne & her sinister ways in Ontario :

http://www.p-first.com/
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-graphic-revisions-to-ontarios-sex-education-curriculum.html

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 28, 2015 7:09 AM  

I disagree that gammas know no honor. They may not have much of it, but when needed, they'll prance out some warped, faux-version of it as an act.

"Sir, you doth insult the SJW lady's honor with your verbal repartee. I challenge you to a duel!" said the White Knight.

Anonymous kfg February 28, 2015 7:12 AM  

"I challenge you to a duel!" said the White Knight."

Then he fell off his horse onto his head; again, and had to wait for an 11 year old girl to help him up.

Blogger JACIII February 28, 2015 7:33 AM  

"I challenge you to a duel!" said the White Knight."

Then he fell off his horse onto his head; again, and had to wait with futility for even a fat girl to help him up.

Anonymous y February 28, 2015 7:39 AM  

Ass Burger

Blogger Cecil Henry February 28, 2015 8:01 AM  

@Deadman

Re Premier Whyne and the Ontario government;s sex education agenda.


Fully agree, must oppose this radicalism and state coercion of sex education,

Contact your MPP's Done and done.

Anonymous Honestly Not Chris Gerrib February 28, 2015 8:30 AM  

OK, how about this for an answer:

Yes, I admit that "this SJW shit" is what "gleefully subverts gender roles" and "the subversion of the dominant white male paradigm," but I deny that this is any different from what I said when I wrote "interjecting facts into fiction is 'this SJW shit.' Got it." As I've demonstrated in my comments above (and below!), the real historical facts used in the novel really do subvert gender roles and the dominant white male paradigm. So you see, all you've done is find a different way to word the same thing.

OOC: No, I'm really not Chris Gerrib. I'm just RPing.

Blogger Desiderius February 28, 2015 8:43 AM  

Steve,

"he's an IT guy, Rotarian, probable virgin"

Nah, he's mid/high-level in IT mngmt for a bank. Typical corporate PC bullshitter. Likely wife and kiddies and/or fashionably gay.

Blogger S1AL February 28, 2015 8:45 AM  

In case anyone was wondering, my comment was based on interaction with Gerrib on his LiveJournal site; that was a result of him misconstruing a comment I made at Brad's site. So I decided that I would engage him on his own turf, as it were, to see if he was just uncomfortable being a digital outsider.

As it turns out, he's just completely unwilling to admit to being wrong, even with links providing absolute proof of his errors. The gamma characteristics list definitely helped me more clearly and easily notice the evasion and posturing, so props on that.

Anonymous Baseball Savant February 28, 2015 9:05 AM  

I could never understand people who can't admit they are wrong. If you are wrong you're wrong. Just accept it. Get better and feel good that you are now better because someone pointed out something you were wrong about. When I was playing professional baseball, I loved it when coaches would point out where I sucked. It only made me better. Why would I want them to just keep telling me about the best parts of my game? I would have stayed the same. It's crazy.

Anonymous Harsh February 28, 2015 9:11 AM  

Who wants to bet Gerrib is a lifetime member of 'Hello M'Lady'?

Anonymous Gary February 28, 2015 9:17 AM  

"I could never understand people who can't admit they are wrong. If you are wrong you're wrong. Just accept it."

Something I have been pounding into my kids. Far better to just accept that you made a mistake, learn from it and move on wiser. Were all human and by definition make mistakes so there is no shame in it. Clean up the mess and move forward.

Anonymous Orville February 28, 2015 9:19 AM  

I've seen Mr. Gerbil stinking up Rand Simberg's blog for several years. I was sad to see the rodent show up here a few months back, but at least Vox doesn't tolerate rodents in his house.

Anonymous bub February 28, 2015 9:23 AM  

I hate that attitude - I actively raised my kids to not be that way. If you don't like being called out for being wrong, DON'T SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE

Blogger MidKnight February 28, 2015 10:15 AM  

@Gary

If you have no honor you have nothing.


Honor also appears to be a key in breaking Gamma

Anonymous Northern Observer February 28, 2015 10:28 AM  

Did he claim to have read past the first chapter?

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 10:31 AM  

The problem for many is the entanglement of honor and face.

Honor is your behavior-the veracity of what you do and say. No one can take your honor. Only you can destroy or burnish it. As I tell my children, it's you against you, all the way to the grave.

Face is your social standing. It can be lost or gained through interaction with others. A severe enough loss of face can destroy your ability to function in a given society.

Thus, It can be worth fighting over. But it is not honor.

Thus, one may have honor and still lose face.

Conversely, one may have face but no honor.

For many of these males, admitting error involves such a loss of face that they cannot attain to it. It is just too threatening to their shaky self-image and tenuous social status.

The obvious r/K arguments would thus follow.

Anonymous Gary February 28, 2015 10:32 AM  

Sorry I phrased that oddly this morning, clearly I was not awake yet but you get the idea.

Honor and reputation is everything as far as I'm concerned. I would have no problem at all if dueling made a resurgence. The rabbits would lose their minds. Might even solve two problems at once.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 10:33 AM  

Did he claim to have read past the first chapter?

No, but he repeatedly implied that he had. That was the deceit. The lie was what he claimed "this SJW shit" was. He knew perfectly well that it was not what he claimed it to be.

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 10:49 AM  

Disingenuous discourse for the sake of Agenda.

Honorable men recoil viscerally at such behavior-it smacks of court eunuchs and effetes sneering at rustics.

It's rabbit behavior-in group social signalling-like a
C����������♐ sticker on a Prius.We loathe the herd mentality it represents, since that mindset gladly sacrifices Truth for gain.

Blogger S1AL February 28, 2015 10:53 AM  

@Homesteader - I once had this discussion with a professor, regarding the difference between shame and dishonor; from what he (a Lebanese) individual said, I gathered that the concept of personal honor is much more a Western ideal than most people realize. Social regard (the opposite of shame) appears to be much more important in the Middle East at least, if not most the world.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 11:02 AM  

It is amusing to see that, at least among the Linux community, diversity will not be tolerated:

The creation and deletion of struct config_group must be driven by user-space, and by user-space only. No exceptions will be made.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 11:03 AM  

... the concept of personal honor is much more a Western ideal than most people realize. Social regard (the opposite of shame) appears to be much more important in the Middle East at least, if not most the world.

Peter Frost has a series of articles about exactly this up on the Unz Review

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 11:08 AM  

@Gary- In a K society, you live and die on your reputation. Thus, dueling is just good sense. "Death before Dishonor", while technically inaccurate, ensures clan survivability. And the clan is the bedrock of a K society.

@S1AL-Forrest Morgan wrote about this in his book, Living The Martial Way. Western and Far Eastern societies grasp this concept; I supect the corrupting influence of Middle Eastern ingroup/outgroup morality, coupled with the mindset of taqqiya, renders the concept of personal honor into something of an impediment in that region. But on that point I'm speculating.

Blogger Ingemar February 28, 2015 11:13 AM  

If Chris Gerrib is the same as cgerrib on John C. Wright's blog, that man has a notorious reputation for being a slimy troll.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 28, 2015 11:18 AM  

As I posted yesterday if you get your kids into martial arts even if they end up gay they wont be SJW gay. The biggest thing I was ever wrong about was equality of intellect, but anyone who has been punched in the face will be aware of physical inequality, at least to the point of knowing women don't belong in battle. The most recent thing I was wrong about, I confused Peron's Argentina currency collapse with the 2001 Argentina currency collapse but the side pointing out my mistake was disingenuous.

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 11:22 AM  

As an addendum, a correlation occurs to me.

In direct proportion to your worthy deeds, will be your ability to admit error, since any loss of face is compensated by the value of your accomplishments.

Error doesn't threaten the status of those who have Acted. Only those who have no laurels find baldness threatening.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield February 28, 2015 11:23 AM  

My response when I was proved wrong on a blog:

Sir, thank you for your correction. I am clearly wrong. Your stern rebuke will keep me from making this mistake again.

Anonymous Rolf February 28, 2015 11:32 AM  

Baseball Savant, Homesteader - exactly. When you are shown to be wrong, it means you were not understanding reality correctly, and arguing with reality is a bad move. when you are corrected you have learned something. I try to make sure my kids understand this, both my own and my students in my classroom. Many parents *really* don't want to hear the truth about their special snowflakes, so I have to be both honest and circumspect.

It's funny - sometimes when arguing with people (gamma sorts, mostly) they really don't believe me when I tell them it's not personal, bring the facts, and I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if I am and they can prove it, and think it's some sort of great "in-my-face" victory when I say "yup, you're correct, my bad," but then get all bent again when I point out that if they are right, then it's at odds with other things they have said elsewhere, or has conflicting principles with X/Y/Z, so what about...? They want to take their one "win" and not connect it to anything else that's relevant.

Homesteader - good distinction between face and honor. Most kids really have no sense of honor and its functions in any sort of macro sense, yet, but have an acutely developed sense of shame/face/social standing within their peer-group.

Anonymous Giuseppe February 28, 2015 11:32 AM  

Baseball savant,

Amen.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 11:38 AM  

Sir, thank you for your correction. I am clearly wrong. Your stern rebuke will keep me from making this mistake again.

Well, sometimes you are wrong, but sometimes they are actually wrong and you are simply guilty of not having thought it through and sometimes you are right for the wrong reasons (ie, correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning or no reasoning at all as if you simply copied someone else's answers during a test :-)

Similarly, “You see things; and you say, ‘Why?’ But I dream things that never were; and I say, ‘Why not?’" is the mantra of those who do/can not think.

Anonymous Wyrd February 28, 2015 11:39 AM  

He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
-Proverbs 10:17

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 11:42 AM  

@Jon- Seeking out correction should be a constant. Our baseline should be dialectic; rhetoric is for when we have to go gunslinging, and should never be used in defense of Ego. I find it to be a useful screening tool- are they interested in what is right, or who is right?

From this, friendship may take root.




Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother February 28, 2015 11:45 AM  

Let's all brag about how awesomely we admit we're wrong.

Anonymous Laz February 28, 2015 11:53 AM  

Apologize- yes, admit I'm wrong- NEVER!

Anonymous daddynichol February 28, 2015 11:53 AM  

Paul pretty well summed up Gammas and their SJ cohorts:

Romans 1: 21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools...

Blogger SevenOutOfSeven 22 February 28, 2015 11:53 AM  

What’s the difference between an Alpha and a Gamma (not) apologizing?

As far as I know Bill Clinton has never apologized and he’s doing quite well now. Or has Berlusconi ever apologized to anybody?

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 11:53 AM  

"didn't the North Vietnamese win because of avoiding direct confrontations?"

The Tet Offensive is a classic case study in the importance of fighting back hard against a stronger enemy, even though it was not a win for the NVA in conventional military terms. With the help of the US media, it was essential in turning the tide of the war because it signaled that the NVA's will to fight was greater than that of the American public.

Anonymous The most awesome man in the world February 28, 2015 11:54 AM  

I am not often wrong, but when I am I graciously admit it!

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 11:59 AM  

"Let's all brag about how awesomely we admit we're wrong."

Can't wait to hear from the Glock and 9mm deniers.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 12:01 PM  

"What’s the difference between an Alpha and a Gamma (not) apologizing?"

Money and power, apparently.

Anonymous The Fonz February 28, 2015 12:01 PM  

I was wro...

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 12:06 PM  

Can't wait to hear from the Glock and 9mm deniers.

Well, having used Glocks and 9mm and .45 and 1911-style handguns, the .45 is kind of mellow but awesome while 9mm is kind of like an edgy teen full of energy.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 12:07 PM  

Can't wait to hear from the Glock and 9mm deniers.

Dude, great thread hijack there!

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 12:09 PM  

I'm glad I've been wrong enough to keep in practice. . . You can't avoid it, you've got to learn to handle it. If you only come face to face with your own mistakes once or twice in your life it's bound to be extra painful. I face mine every day--that way they ain't usually much worse than a dry shave.
Larry McMurtry, Lonesome Dove

Anonymous Donn February 28, 2015 12:10 PM  

Those two 'alphas' have no honor. No matter what your position if you have honor you can and will apologize from time to time. We all make mistakes. If you do not you will not.

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 12:17 PM  

@stage 58/Animal mother- Ben Franklin's line about being proud of our humility comes to mind.

I suppose it beats the alternative, though.

And I have the Glock. She has the Springfield.

Let the games begin..

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother February 28, 2015 12:25 PM  

Homezteader,

Excessive humility is a Marine Corps Sergeant's only fault...or so I'm told.

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 12:36 PM  

Gentlemen,
Thanks for the morning discourse. I do like clarifying my thoughts and beliefs with like minded brethren. It eases the mind and spirit.
Time for work..

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 28, 2015 1:01 PM  

Homesteader,

The problem for many is the entanglement of honor and face.

A well-made distinction, thank you.

Anonymous Gary February 28, 2015 1:32 PM  

"It's funny - sometimes when arguing with people (gamma sorts, mostly) they really don't believe me when I tell them it's not personal, bring the facts, and I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if I am and they can prove it"

@Rolf.

I told my boss this when she hired me. I explained that I LIKED BEING RIGHT and if you could point out some flaw in my thinking or in the way I'm running my department I'd be delighted to adopt the new way of doing something so the department could run with higher efficiency.

Blogger Outlaw X February 28, 2015 1:41 PM  

IMHO, Those who feel a need to publicly announce that they admit when there wrong leave me suspicious because it will be manifest in ones dealings. Not only that but why one would worry about being wrong about admitting their wrong is strange by using a negative to disprove a negative is meaningless because if one cant admit their wrong declares that they can what good is their word and if one who can admit their wrong says it it makes no sense because they have no reason to prove their not wrong about admitting their wrong.

I am defiantly losing my ability to communicate clearly, desperately trying to hang on.

Blogger MidKnight February 28, 2015 1:43 PM  

@Homesteader

That is a useful distinction. Honor and face.

It's a subtle but profound difference between I must always be (already, have been) right, and I must always be (seek to become) right.

Anonymous Anubis February 28, 2015 1:45 PM  

At one bad but well paying job I had, I asked everyone on their last day of working with me if there was anything I could have done to make them want to stay. One woman complained every time she worked with me someone got shot, this was an inner city hospital that I just worked just 2 shifts a week, Friday & Sat night for better than full time pay. Yea about that gender pay gap, if I was shot a block from that hospital I would ask the ambulance to take me somewhere else so I wouldn't be caught dead there.

Anonymous NateM February 28, 2015 2:27 PM  

The Fonz-

this next vid was pretty telling as well

http://youtu.be/lA_hNoGDM4Y

Hanks:You mean for all these years you haven't that I was a coward

Fonz: for all these years, I haven't given you a thought

pretty typical Alpha-Gamma dynamic

Anonymous NateM February 28, 2015 2:29 PM  

haven't thought THAT I was a coward* rather

Anonymous Thales February 28, 2015 2:40 PM  

It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I've seen Chris Gerrib back into the most absurd defenses once I or anyone else starts smashing his assertions with fact and reason -- it's like watching a child argue.

Anonymous Outlaw is in our prayers today February 28, 2015 2:57 PM  

Outlaw-
May God be with you on your journey.

Anonymous kh123 February 28, 2015 3:01 PM  

"I am defiantly losing my ability to communicate clearly,"

Not at all, I got ya.

Blogger bob k. mando February 28, 2015 3:06 PM  

Thales February 28, 2015 2:40 PM
it's like watching a child argue.



even better, Gerrib's vote counts just as much as yours.

there's a reason why the Founders hated Democracies.

MPAI is as succinct a summation as any.

Anonymous Wyrd February 28, 2015 3:21 PM  

@NateM

He that shall maketh a Potsie of himself shall surely be made to sitteth upon it.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 28, 2015 6:03 PM  

"The Rules of the Blog exist for several good reasons, and one of the primary ones is to foster honest, civil, and rational discourse. Those who demonstrate that they either cannot or will not engage in such discourse will not be permitted to continue commenting here." - Vox

And yet another major difference between VP/Vox and Whatever/McRapey. Here discussion is encouraged and dissenting opinions are too, you have to be a major fucktard to get banned here.

Whereas over at McRapey's echo chamber, anything that disagrees with Ol' Johnny's opinion on "badthink" will earn you a banhammering. End of story.

Blogger macengr February 28, 2015 8:12 PM  

So, is it possible to be gamma and married? I mean, I guess the case of Scalzi means yes, but can you confirm?

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 8:31 PM  

So, is it possible to be gamma and married?

Sure.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 28, 2015 10:47 PM  

Outlaw,

I just read about your situation over at your blog, and I'm so sorry. I pray that you will make it to Easter. You've been one of my favorite commenters, here at Vox's blog. Stay in a state of grace, man. Me and mine will pray for you.

-LH

Anonymous Anonymous February 28, 2015 11:28 PM  

I met Gerrib and he seems like a nice guy. On the other hand, I do not have time to read the book in question. Usually when Vox says a book is bad, he is usually right.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 01, 2015 3:19 AM  

To retract when in error, to confess sin, to admit to wrong headed logic is the path to honor, wisdom and a closer walk with Christ.

After I saw the 5th comment from Gerrib I knew he was on his way off the blog.

Blogger J Van Stry March 01, 2015 6:05 PM  

I found it rather funny that Chris was commenting on your blog (as well as several others) for a couple of years he used to harass me and a few friends on LJ, with his BS, concern trolls, lies, and other crap.
Eventually he left, because he couldn't win, and came off looking rather bad each time (and mind you, we were a lot more polite to him than you are!)
Still, I'm shocked that he ever even came here, because you're a lot less patient with fools than we were. Then again, he did behave more here than on LJ. However, I'm not surprised to see him get the boot, he really is a piece of work, and reminds me very much of a twit I knew in the USAF who had no concept of leadership, nor anything about honor and keeping one's word.

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