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Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Red with the blood of Christians

The Middle East is red with the blood of Christians. The atrocity by Islamic State sympathisers in Libya highlights the worsening persecution of non-Muslims all over the Middle East – violence that is driving them from their Biblical homelands. The beheading of 21 Coptic Christians in Libya by forces sympathetic to Islamic State over recent days is sadly not an isolated case. On the contrary, it is the latest of countless outrages perpetrated against Christians in or near the Church’s Biblical heartlands over many years. 

It is time to end the long and suicidal Western experiment with religious tolerance. Tolerance is evil. Tolerance is "the sin of Jeroboam". Tolerance is the death of civilization.

“As we mourn with the families of those 21 martyrs, we’d better take this warning seriously as these acts of terror will only spread throughout Europe and the United States,” warned Rev. Graham.

The 21st century is about to learn that far from being the epitomes of evil, the Crusades, the Reconquista, and the Spanish Inquisition were all right, necessary, and above all self-defensive reactions by Western civilization against aggressive Islamic expansion. The battle for the West will begin within the next two decades, and the Men of the West had better be ready for it.

The media certainly isn't:
The morning after the much anticipated Saturday Night Live 40th anniversary special, NBC’s “Today” Show gave the SNL special more than 10 times the coverage during its first three hours Monday than the brutal beheadings of Egyptian Christians by ISIS.... “Today” thought the SNL special was of vast importance, covering the humor-filled three and a half hour-long affair for 15 minutes and eight seconds (908 seconds in total). Meanwhile, coverage of the ISIS beheadings totaled a meager one minute and 28 seconds.

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Anonymous WinstonWebb February 17, 2015 8:25 AM  

*cue Tommy*

"NAMALT!"

Anonymous Porky February 17, 2015 8:38 AM  

SNL is about as funny as a mass beheading.

Anonymous Orville February 17, 2015 8:46 AM  

ISIS and others like them are worthy of death, but how much of this is manipulation by the deep state's organs such as the CIA? If it were up to me I'd glass them with smaller tactical nukes wherever they are found. The fact that the US let alone any western government with the means to do so aren't taking any real action to destroy them makes me concerned that this is all just a lever for the deep state to further strip us of the last bits of freedom.

Anonymous Giuseppe February 17, 2015 8:47 AM  

Well. I wish there was even such a thing as a front to fight for. But the reality is there isn't. ISIS is funded by the US as far as I can tell. And the embroiled mess of it all means that any organised resistance or actual combat against ISIS is going to be another pit of vipers. As I have said before, give me $1 billion (i think it can be done with $500 million) and my choice of men and equipment and within a year ISIS would not exist anywhere on the planet. I'd put Kratman in charge of the "winning hearts and minds" part of the program too. I figure after a year not only would there be no physical ISIS present. There wouldn't even be anyone claiming distant kinship with it.
As it is though, it seems to me each man, as an individual, must be his own front. And not retreat a single step. Like in the first crusade, at some point, a spontaneous joining of many such individuals will form an unstoppable force. But we are, as you say, some ways from that.

Blogger Tank February 17, 2015 8:51 AM  

Obviously, Christians should heed Bibi's call and move to Israel where they do recognize evil and danger and work to keep their people safe.

Anonymous Miserman February 17, 2015 8:56 AM  

You just know the "Progressive" Christians (an oxymoron that) will try to find some moral equivalence in American and European history for the beheading of minorities, women, and gays. I believe they will be hard pressed to find it should ISIS make good on their threat to burn a cage full of children alive. They may have to pull a Brian Williams.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 17, 2015 9:04 AM  

Couldn't agree more. I'm ready. Don't forget those elements closer to home.

Blogger Mint February 17, 2015 9:08 AM  

As I am preparing for Ash Wednesday in a few hours, this is a poignant reminder. 'You are dust and to dust shall thou return'...

For this minority Christian, everyday, every each day is a gift and a calling to stand for the faith. Because Christ has paid my price with His life.

Blogger David February 17, 2015 9:19 AM  

Fear always sells better. Where would the NRA be without the "threat" of new gun restrictions?

NRA spends vast sums to solicit "donations" from its members to fight one legislative battle after another. No wonder some have called the NRA "America's #1 Gun Control Organization."

Welfare-state workers need poverty-stricken people. Employees of the criminal "justice" system need a continuous supply of criminals to process. And people "fighting" for your liberties require a constant litany of threats to them.

Blogger Shibes Meadow February 17, 2015 9:25 AM  

What we need is a Catholic billionaire to fund an international counter-jihad military with his own money. Call it Crusader Force.

Blogger David February 17, 2015 9:26 AM  

Progressive Christian is hardly an oxymoron, unless you define Christian solely as Catholic.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/04/ryan-mcmaken/the-utopian-with-the-button/

Post-millennial Christian Pietists were at the fore of the Progressive Movement. Since most people would include Protestants with Catholics in the term Christian, the Progressive Movement can be seen as a subset of Christian thought, albeit a Catholic Heresy.

Blogger slarrow February 17, 2015 9:39 AM  

Reading Vox's analysis of the sin of Jeroboam reminded me of something I wrote regarding tolerance a long time ago.

1) Tolerance entails dissent. You disagree with the views you tolerate. Modern calls for "tolerance" are merely disguised demands for acceptance or endorsement. Properly, calls for tolerance may only extend to pleas for restraint, not calls for surrender.
2) Tolerance is an attitude, not a virtue. Virtues are good in and of themselves. It is virtuous to love someone regardless of their merit, to be courageous regardless of the strength of the opposition, to be faithful regardless of the temptation. Tolerance, however, depends on the object of the attitude. It might be proper to be tolerant of someone who takes communion differently than you; it is not proper to be tolerant of someone who routinely murders people for following a different religion.

Tolerance is the "virtue" of the lazy, selfish, and unthinking. No wonder it's so popular.

Anonymous Miserman February 17, 2015 9:39 AM  

@David

... the Progressive Movement can be seen as a subset of Christian thought, albeit a Catholic Heresy.

To be clear, are you saying that the Progressive Movement is a heresy against Catholic teaching or because it is Catholic teaching?

Anonymous smedley butler February 17, 2015 9:46 AM  

"If it were up to me I'd glass them with smaller tactical nukes wherever they are found. "

That would be great for the dwindling number of Christians found in the area.

Actually, the best strategy for ISIS is fixed bayonets.

Anonymous LES February 17, 2015 9:46 AM  

Is ISIS fighting for Islam, land or retaliation? Are all Muslims the enemy?

Blogger David February 17, 2015 9:47 AM  

19th Century Progressives reportedly deemed Catholicism one of their targets for extermination. Also, since the overt goal of Progressives was to use the State to institute Heaven on Earth, this makes is part of the Gnostic Heresy (Catholic Heresy, that is) if I am correctly informed.

So yes, Progressivism is both anti-Catholic and a Catholic Heresy.

Blogger YIH February 17, 2015 9:55 AM  

covering the humor-filled three and a half hour-long affair
''Humor-filled''? It was just lame, I think the whole thing must have been written by Sen. Stuart Smalley.

Blogger David February 17, 2015 10:00 AM  

@Miserman
Read the link; if he's correct, McMaken offers a great review of the origins, aims and conflicts of the Progressive Movement. As he writes it, the division is between pre-millennial and post-millennial doctrines, with Catholic Teaching obviously being firmly pre-millennial.

Anonymous zen0 February 17, 2015 10:03 AM  

@ slarrow:
Tolerance is the "virtue" of the lazy, selfish, and unthinking. No wonder it's so popular.




@ Gilbert K. Chesterton
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.


Blogger rycamor February 17, 2015 10:07 AM  

smedley butler February 17, 2015 9:46 AM
"If it were up to me I'd glass them with smaller tactical nukes wherever they are found. "

That would be great for the dwindling number of Christians found in the area.

Actually, the best strategy for ISIS is fixed bayonets.


The #1 thing we can do is get guns & ammo to the Middle East Christians.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 17, 2015 10:16 AM  

It is not surprising that news outlets didn't really report this. Modern news is more about feelings than reality and anything that makes the newscasters feel bad or scared will not be broadcasted.

Anonymous Alexander February 17, 2015 10:19 AM  

There's also a danger that if they said something about it, people might listen.

Anonymous Porky February 17, 2015 10:32 AM  

Is ISIS fighting for Islam, land or retaliation? Are all Muslims the enemy?

The only question one need concern himself with is "are they an enemy of God?"

David didn't slay Goliath because the Philistines wanted their land, or because retaliation, or because they were perennial enemies of the Hebrews.

He killed him because he was mocking God.



Blogger Iowahine February 17, 2015 10:34 AM  

Modern news is more about feelings than reality . . .

Not to mention self-promotion of MSM and networks.

Anonymous Crud Bonemeal February 17, 2015 10:46 AM  

Unless you deal with the subversive elements close to home, all your efforts against the Mahometans will be in vain.

The greatest anti-Christian force in the world today is not ISIS, but USG.

And what do you benefit if you cleanse the world of Muz, but lose your nation's soul to secular leftism? You'll only clear the way for an anti-Christian anti-traditional world liberal order.

The only way a new crusade ends in success is if it starts the cleansing at home and only moves outward after cleaning up that Augean stable.

Otherwise you'll only be doing someone else's dirty work.

Anonymous Dirtnapninja February 17, 2015 10:48 AM  

The Maronites see what is coming. They are rearming. Christians in Iraq and Syria see what is happening. They have begun to form militias for the first time. Coming soon to a european city near you.

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Blogger Rek. February 17, 2015 11:03 AM  

Children of Christ being beheaded, as we say in French, "Circulez, y'a rien à voir."

But hey, let's give full coverage to jews being persecuted. It's not like I am an anti-Semite for no reason.

Blogger bob k. mando February 17, 2015 11:12 AM  

in the same way that the RCC laity is culpable for their participation in the sins of their clergy ...

in the same way that the RCC clergy is culpable for their collusion and collaboration in the molestation of children by homo priests ...

so also are the people of the United States culpable for our part in permitting our government to be a prime mover in the destruction of the Near Eastern / North African polity and our President's encouragement of these animals.

we have much to repent for.

Blogger CarpeOro February 17, 2015 11:13 AM  

"Is ISIS fighting for Islam, land or retaliation? Are all Muslims the enemy?"

They are Muslims and following the Koran. What do they fight for? Allah and loot. The leaders are unafraid to have their followers shed their blood for riches in the next world so they can gain wealth in this one.

Blogger CarpeOro February 17, 2015 11:15 AM  

Oh, and bring praise to Allah by killing the male unbelievers (unless young enough) and taking the females. SOP.

Anonymous Crud Bonemeal February 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

Under Saddam, Christians were in the government. Under Assad, Christians were fine. Under, Qadaffi, Christians were fine.

Fine by Middle Eastern standards, which doesn't mean great, it just means "not being ethnically cleansed" and "able to practice their faith at least in private". Which is about all the Sharia allows.

Now these Christians are in danger of being slaughtered by fundamentalist Muslims. Not only did USG create the power vacuum that allowed the Muz to rise, they funded the "moderate Islamists". Needless to say this money found a way to reach the more serious Islamists.

Historically, the Muz have alternated between ISIS type leaders who took the Sharia seriously and Saddam type strong men who pretended to take the Sharia seriously for public consumption, but made certain concessions to practicality. It goes without saying that Christians are better off under the non-fanatics.

And yet USG has made a business of replacing semi-secular strongmen with Islamist fanatics. And American Christians have gone along with it, in their desire to crusade against the Muz. They don't seem to realize how badly they screwed up and they certainly don't recognize who tricked them.

American Christians who dream of re-asserting themselves have to get their heads straight, stop allowing USG to use you as pawns and recognize who is NOT your greatest ally. Otherwise you will just keep making things worse.

American Christians were tricked into helping to create ISIS. They played a prominent role. Your next crusade has every chance of making things worse, unless you get smarter about who is your enemy.

Anonymous John Regan February 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

Personally, I've been struggling with this more and more: standing up against certain wrongs seems a hopeless, futile and self-destructive gesture. When there is no real prospect of persuading during one's own lifetime you're left with...what? Separate from the evil (Amish solution) or do battle with it.

What if battling with it has no realistic prospect of success either?

That leaves you with separating. But then what about being in the world, even though not of it? Isn't separating a more abject surrender than the objectionable tolerance you're describing?

At some point if God wants some specific thing from his weak and mortal followers some more direct guidance than the story of Jeroboam might be required.

I see the resurgent warrior Islamism as having been invited not by the west's military weakness (as in the early middle ages) but by the collapse of Christianity as a spiritual and moral force in the lives of people in the west. I don't think the solution to that is a military one, ultimately.

Blogger kurt9 February 17, 2015 11:23 AM  

Vox is correct here that we will eventually have to deal with these MF's.

Anonymous paradox February 17, 2015 11:24 AM  

The battle for the West will begin within the next two decades, and the Men of the West had better be ready for it.

While true for the West as a whole. However, in the US our greater threat is the tyranny of an unelected bureaucracy, trying to disarm us via ammunition bans. We can't defend ourselves from the Jihadists, if we're disarmed like the Europeans.

Anonymous rho February 17, 2015 11:26 AM  

Nobody counts the Copts over there. Hell, we barely recognize them over here.

Anonymous Samuel Scott February 17, 2015 11:28 AM  

Quick factual point: Wasn't the Inquisition's target Christian "heretics" and not non-Christians?

Also, the cynic in me says NBC's hype of SNL 40 was more about cashing in on that opportunity than an objective consideration of newsworthiness.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami February 17, 2015 11:29 AM  

"[David] killed [Goliath] because he was mocking God. "


No one should accept this argument, because it would also give legitimacy to the cartoon killings across Europe. Any "supreme being" who can't take a joke, or do his own killing, is not worth obeying or worshiping.

Anonymous Billy February 17, 2015 11:31 AM  

Drudgereport is wall to wall with some poor jew in Paris who got his feelings hurt. Yet christian beheading are a side note.

Anonymous Stilicho February 17, 2015 11:33 AM  

What if battling with it has no realistic prospect of success either?

When you stand before your maker, would you prefer to report that you fought against evil and failed, or that you managed to avoid the evil you saw?

Moreover, don't assume that a failure to achieve victory means the battle isn't worth fighting or that it doesn't weaken the enemy a bit for the next guy who has to fight him:

THE KNIGHT came home from the quest,
Muddied and sore he came.
Battered of shield and crest,
Bannerless, bruised and lame.
Fighting we take no shame,
Better is man for a fall.
Merrily borne, the bugle-horn
Answered the warder’s call:—
“Here is my lance to mend (Haro!),
Here is my horse to be shot!
Ay, they were strong, and the fight was long;
But I paid as good as I got!”

“Oh, dark and deep their van,
That mocked my battle-cry.
I could not miss my man,
But I could not carry by:
Utterly whelmed was I,
Flung under, horse and all.”
Merrily borne, the bugle-horn
Answered the warder’s call!

“My wounds are noised abroad;
But theirs my foemen cloaked.
Ye see my broken sword—
But never the blades she broke;
Paying them stroke for stroke,
Good handsel over all.”
Merrily borne, the bugle-horn
Answered the warder’s call!

“My shame ye count and know.
Ye say the quest is vain.
Ye have not seen my foe.
Ye have not told his slain.
Surely he fights again, again;
But when ye prove his line,
There shall come to your aid my broken blade
In the last, lost fight of mine!
And here is my lance to mend (Haro!),
And here is my horse to be shot!
Ay, they were strong, and the fight was long;
But I paid as good as I got!”

Anonymous Alexander February 17, 2015 11:34 AM  

The killings already have legitimacy across Europe among those who follow Islam. That horse has already bolted.

We're fast becoming the only group that handicaps itself by refusing to play by its own rulebook.

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Anonymous Samuel Scott February 17, 2015 11:38 AM  

Obviously, Christians should heed Bibi's call and move to Israel where they do recognize evil and danger and work to keep their people safe.

Well, for what it's worth, Israel is the safest place in the Middle East for Christians. The vast majority of Christians are Arabs, and a Christian Arab girl, for example, won "The Voice Israel" two years ago.

Blogger Guitar Man February 17, 2015 11:38 AM  

OT, but possibly related due to the fight we have against the progs, but one of co-author's of the Wakefield Autism/Vacc report has been exonerated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u55MNglDkos

Anonymous Samuel Scott February 17, 2015 11:40 AM  

Is ISIS fighting for Islam, land or retaliation? Are all Muslims the enemy?

The crazier that IS gets -- beheadings, burnings, and more -- the more I think it's actually a group of psychopaths who are using Islam as an excuse.

Blogger Krul February 17, 2015 11:42 AM  

LES - Is ISIS fighting for Islam, land or retaliation? Are all Muslims the enemy?

Wikipedia: From at least since 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of an Islamic state.[143][144] Specifically, ISIL has sought to establish itself as a Caliphate, an Islamic state led by a group of religious authorities under a supreme leader—the Caliph—who is believed to be the successor to Muhammad.[145] In June 2014, ISIL published a document in which it claimed to have traced the lineage of its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi back to Muhammad,[145] and upon proclaiming a new Caliphate on 29 June, the group appointed al-Baghdadi as its caliph. As Caliph, he demands the allegiance of all devout Muslims worldwide, according to Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh).

Telegraph: The video [of the 21 beheadings] appeared on the Twitter feed of a website that supports Islamic State. A caption on the five-minute video read: "The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church."

ISIS' motives and goals are fairly clear, if these sources are accurate.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 11:46 AM  

John Regan February 17, 2015 11:20 AM
Personally, I've been struggling with this more and more: standing up against certain wrongs seems a hopeless, futile and self-destructive gesture.


Reminds me of a song I used to hear once in awhile "Which side are you on boys?" There are many variants to the tune, but the idea is you have to pick sides. You can't win them all. You can't even fight them all. But if you've picked your side, the only decent thing to do is to help your side. Standing around and being fatalistic about it does two things: 1) you get spit out of His mouth (interpret that however you want the idea is it's bad), and 2) the other guys win - easy. Win, lose, or withdraw without a fight (which sometimes the latter makes sense - the guy who steps in front of the freight train every time is a good-intentioned fool), at the very least everybody in the room should know which side you are on.

Anonymous Stilicho February 17, 2015 11:47 AM  

The crazier that IS gets -- beheadings, burnings, and more -- the more I think it's actually a group of psychopaths who are using Islam as an excuse.

Are you, perhaps, influenced by your exposure to more secular terrorists?

Anonymous Trimegistus February 17, 2015 11:53 AM  

ISIS is doing exactly what Muhammad did. They are not crazy, they are not a perversion of Islam. They are the real deal. They are the true face of Islam.

Islam cannot "coexist" with other faiths, or with the absence of faith. Muslim violence will continue forever until either there are no more infidels . . . or no more Muslims.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 17, 2015 12:03 PM  

" Too-Soon-ami February 17, 2015 11:29 AM
"[David] killed [Goliath] because he was mocking God. "

No one should accept this argument, because it would also give legitimacy to the cartoon killings across Europe. Any "supreme being" who can't take a joke, or do his own killing, is not worth obeying or worshiping."




God will use any tool He wants, in whatever way He wants. Who are you to decide what is or is not proper for Him to do?

Would you have put any money on a small unarmored and underarmed David to win against a large well armored and well armed Goliath? Do you have any experience in hand to hand combat? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Mock God and God will mock you by destroying you in the most humiliating way possible.

Now go read your Bible. Looks like you need some learnin'.

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 12:03 PM  

At what point are y'all willing to die for your faith?

I find a lot of the "call to arms" to be pointless when persecution for our faith was pretty much guaranteed by Christ.

And at what point does defense get in the way of sharing Christ's love? As has been pointed out at this blog before, violent persecution has been known to grow the church exponentially.

If I die, I know where I'm going. But part of loving our enemies is wanting them to find salvation and eternal life in Christ, too.

I'm not trying to be passive here... If anything this kind of a message should help the church grow some balls. We have confidence in knowing where we are going and persecution will find us at some point, so why keep our mouths shut and compromise with people who hate us instead of sharing the truth and possibly reaching the person you didn't notice listening?

Blogger bob k. mando February 17, 2015 12:10 PM  

Samuel Scott February 17, 2015 11:40 AM
The crazier that IS gets -- beheadings, burnings, and more -- the more I think it's actually a group of psychopaths who are using Islam as an excuse.



you are grossly ignorant of Islam for someone who is surrounded by Muslims.

muslims do not permit agnostics to exist. period.



Trimegistus February 17, 2015 11:53 AM
ISIS is doing exactly what Muhammad did. They are not crazy, they are not a perversion of Islam. They are the real deal.


exactly so.

and we are helping them.

Blogger SirThermite February 17, 2015 12:11 PM  

"No one should accept this argument, because it would also give legitimacy to the cartoon killings across Europe."

David didn't move to Phillistia and murder an unarmed Goliath at his place of work for something he wrote on a piece of papyrus

Anonymous patrick kelly February 17, 2015 12:18 PM  

" the more I think it's actually a group of psychopaths who are using Islam as an excuse."

who are being used by someone else......I still suspect they're the result of some USGvt black/psy-op gone wrong....or maybe right depending on their purpose.....our tax dollars funding bullets coming from both sides....yee haw merka'.....

Blogger Owen February 17, 2015 12:19 PM  

No one should accept this argument, because it would also give legitimacy to the cartoon killings across Europe. Any "supreme being" who can't take a joke, or do his own killing, is not worth obeying or worshiping.

So, humans determine the worth and/or sovereignty of God?

Egads.

What religion do you practice?

Anonymous Porky February 17, 2015 12:21 PM  

No one should accept this argument, because it would also give legitimacy to the cartoon killings across Europe.

What, exactly, was "illegitimate" about the cartoon killings?

Any "supreme being" who can't take a joke, or do his own killing, is not worth obeying or worshiping.

You can't serve two masters. So choose.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum February 17, 2015 12:23 PM  

If I die, I know where I'm going.

No. You. Don't.

No one does. The words "I'm saved." can only be said by the Saints who are in Heaven. No one else can say those words and honestly mean them. To do so is to presume God's Mercy, which is a sin.

St. Paul didn't know where he was going when he wrote "Work out your Salvation in fear and trembling..." so how can you?

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 12:27 PM  

Credo in Unum Deum February 17, 2015 12:23 PM

No. You. Don't.

No one does. The words "I'm saved." can only be said by the Saints who are in Heaven. No one else can say those words and honestly mean them. To do so is to presume God's Mercy, which is a sin.

St. Paul didn't know where he was going when he wrote "Work out your Salvation in fear and trembling..." so how can you?


What a fellow you are.

I, for one, would like to know what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about this...

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 12:33 PM  

Credo, Paul knew where he was going - Philippians 1:23.

"He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life." 1 john 5:12-13

If you don't know, that's your problem.

Blogger Krul February 17, 2015 12:38 PM  

Porky - David didn't slay Goliath because the Philistines wanted their land, or because retaliation, or because they were perennial enemies of the Hebrews.

He killed him because he was mocking God.


Actually, that's not quite right.

1 Samuel 17:10 - And the Philistine said, I defy the armies of Israel this day

17:26 - ...who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?

17:36 - Thy servant slew both the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God.

Goliath's effrontery was not that he mocked God, but that he defied Israel's armies. The chapter doesn't accuse him of mockery.

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 12:39 PM  

That philippians reference is actually quite prescient as the entire chapter is about suffering for the faith.

Anonymous paradox February 17, 2015 12:41 PM  

I, for one, would like to know what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about this...

Salvation was won at Calvary 2000 years ago... if you can keep it.

Anonymous Crud Bonemeal February 17, 2015 12:47 PM  

"Islam cannot "coexist" with other faiths, or with the absence of faith. Muslim violence will continue forever until either there are no more infidels . . . or no more Muslims. "

Is that a call for ... genocide I see?

The reality is that Islam did co-exist with other faiths for much of recorded history, because Muslims are bad at 2GW and most Muslims are bad Muslims, too lazy to chop off heads.

All you have to do is push Muslims back to their own lands, seal your borders to them and provide few opportunities for good, activist, head chopping Muslims to practice their faith. Muslim violence against you will recede to highly manageable levels and Muslim leaders will become lazy and decadent. Because they sure as hell can't force their way into a Europa with defended borders.

Islam can't coexist with a policy of open borders liberalism. But that's a point in their favor.

There are people who want you to think in genocidal terms. You should resist those voices.

Blogger Corvinus February 17, 2015 12:48 PM  

What a fellow you are.

I, for one, would like to know what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about this...


The same thing that Credo just said. What, you don't think St. Paul was serious about the fear and trembling bit?

Blogger Owen February 17, 2015 12:50 PM  

To do so is to presume God's Mercy, which is a sin.

Where did you get this in the Bible?

Blogger Josh February 17, 2015 12:52 PM  

One would think that Team Catholic would be kind enough to link to the relevant sections of their catechism to support their claim about who can claim to be saved...

Blogger Corvinus February 17, 2015 12:56 PM  

One would think that Team Catholic would be kind enough to link to the relevant sections of their catechism to support their claim about who can claim to be saved...

Apparently, you missed the quote from St. Paul just a few comments up. "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." It's something that you have to do your whole life. It's not worked out just by believing on the Lord and everything is hunky dory. That's not how it works.

Or are you saying the Bible is wrong?

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 12:57 PM  

Corvinus,

And yet my interpretation of that is one of human nature being fearful of the change that Christ works in the hearts of believers. The entire context of that verse being quoted is about sanctification, not salvation. And that IS Catholic doctrine, is it not?

Blogger Corvinus February 17, 2015 12:58 PM  

CM,

Work out your salvation in fear and trembling. The word "salvation" is right there. As for your other context, they are already believers, so the "change" has already happened. Now they have to see it through, and not screw up by sin.

Blogger James Dixon February 17, 2015 12:59 PM  

> If it were up to me I'd glass them with smaller tactical nukes wherever they are found.

Why would Obama order the military to attack what he views as his own people? There's a reason he refuses to identify the enemy.

> ...so also are the people of the United States culpable for our part in permitting our government to be a prime mover in the destruction of the Near Eastern / North African polity and our President's encouragement of these animals.

Absolutely.

OT, the war of words between Greece and the EU seems to be escalating: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/17/us-eurozone-greece-idUSKBN0LL0QM20150217

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 1:02 PM  

You know, growing up Anglican, I had this bizarre mix of Catholic and protestant theology at my fingertips... it's been difficult to suss out what comes from where on some of the less obvious doctrines.

In spite Baptist claims to the contrary, I found them to be far more work-oriented in salvation than catholics. Until this has been stated.

If this is true, then I now understand why catholics gain that reputation.

Anonymous Quartermaster February 17, 2015 1:03 PM  

"St. Paul didn't know where he was going when he wrote "Work out your Salvation in fear and trembling..." so how can you?"

I'm sure Paul knew where he was heading. he certainly knew when he wrote his final letter to Timothy and said there was crown laid up for him. The passage from 1John cited by CM above, with Romans 8:16 says all any Christian needs to know. If you don't know where you are headed, then I seriously doubt you are a Christian.

Anonymous Hoppes #9 February 17, 2015 1:03 PM  

"It's something that you have to do your whole life."
So Jesus Christ's work on the cross wasn't sufficient or finished? By that reasoning the renewed creation is going to be pretty sparce as far as humanity goes.

Blogger Robert What? February 17, 2015 1:05 PM  

Obama may or may not be a Muslim, but is clear where his sympathies lie.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami February 17, 2015 1:06 PM  

"What, exactly, was "illegitimate" about the cartoon killings?"

Depends on whose side you're on. If you worship a hunk of green cheese and its dead, ginger-headed prophet, then a cartoon presents you with the sobering reality of the supreme impotence of the objects you worship. You have three courses of action: (1) Hang your head in denial and shame while continuing to point your ass at Mecca five times a day, (2) Find a more potent god, or (3) Murder the cartoonist who offended you (yes, "you", because your god and prophet are dead, and incapable of taking offense).

#3 is the least "legitimate" response, in the civilized world we live in. If that's how they wish to behave, they should fly their carpets the fuck back to where they came from.

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 1:08 PM  

"Work out your salvation" could also be the internal salvation bearing fruit.

I agree that those who are saved need to bear fruit. James' letter is quite hard hitting in that department. Working out our salvation, though, is not about earning grace. It's the process of allowing our salvation to bear fruit by the constant surrender to Christ. It's the discipline of being a Christian and growing to spiritual maturity - the completing of the work that was begun when we first believed.

Sanctification.

And yes, I most assuredly DO know I am saved as I practice this discipline (albeit not perfectly) and have seen the changes that Christ has wrought in me.

OpenID cailcorishev February 17, 2015 1:09 PM  

I, for one, would like to know what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about this...


It's called the sin of presumption, a sin against the virtue of hope. Paragraphs #2091-2 in the modern catechism mention it (my catechism is a paperback, so I don't have a link). As usual with the modern catechism, it's not very clear, but the basic idea is that we're supposed to "hope" for salvation, so presuming oneself to have it in the bag violates that.

St. Thomas Aquinas breaks it down with his usual attention to detail and calls it "immoderate hope". There's also a pretty good summary in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Note: I'm not arguing the point and won't; just presenting the information requested.

Anonymous Samuel Scott February 17, 2015 1:18 PM  

Are you, perhaps, influenced by your exposure to more secular terrorists?

Well, that's a bit complicated. Fatah has been historically secular and viewed the "situation" as a turf war while Hamas has been Islamist and (also) views it as a religious war.

Still, it's one thing to shot rockets and set off bombs. But to choose to behead and burn people alive is a lot worse on the spectrum -- that's why I call it psychopathic.

you are grossly ignorant of Islam for someone who is surrounded by Muslims.

Islam today is different than it was 1,500 years ago. And the same is true for Judaism and Christianity. I don't view Christianity as evil today just because some warped crusaders killed a village of Jews 1,000 years ago.

who are being used by someone else......I still suspect they're the result of some USGvt black/psy-op gone wrong....or maybe right depending on their purpose.....our tax dollars funding bullets coming from both sides....yee haw merka'.....

See black helicopters much?

Blogger Owen February 17, 2015 1:21 PM  

cail,
Thanks for the legwork.

But as to the hope whereby a man relies on the power of God, there may be presumption through immoderation, in the fact that a man tends to some good as though it were possible by the power and mercy of God, whereas it is not possible, for instance, if a man hope to obtain pardon without repenting, or glory without merits. This presumption is, properly, the sin against the Holy Ghost, because, to wit, by presuming thus a man removes or despises the assistance of the Holy Spirit, whereby he is withdrawn from sin.

So, to circle back to Credo's original assertion that presuming God's mercy is a sin, it's a sin if there's no repentance.

Well, who here is suggesting salvation without repentance?

It seems like a closed loop. Someone sinning and not repenting continues to sin by presuming mercy. Heck, that person's entire life is sin. Why even bring him into a discussion about believers?

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Anonymous Curtis February 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war.

Ya gotta break a few eggs, before you can make an omelet.

And let's not forget, while Obama may be the current president, it is the Bush 7 countries in 5 years script that Obama is following.

"Hmmm. How can we get the citizens sense of justice all fired up and put boots on the ground?"

Obviously.

Well played.

ISIS, or whatever flavor of the day it is, do not have you by the balls, Bush and Obama have you by the balls. Just let it play out. And here we are.

Blogger JDC February 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

I've always taken the Phil 2:12 passage, "with fear and trembling work out your own salvation," as being inextricably linked to the very next verse, "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."

IMO, "working out" isn't focusing on one's innate abilities (or relying on the sacramental grace from the church), but understanding that it is God working through us. To say that this passage makes salvation an unknown, would contradict many other verses in scripture. John 3:16, Acts 16:31,

1 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

The presumption thing seems to be built especially around Romans 6:

Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? vs. 1

So many people I grew up with would fall into that sin of presumption.

Anonymous Porky February 17, 2015 1:36 PM  

Goliath's effrontery was not that he mocked God, but that he defied Israel's armies. The chapter doesn't accuse him of mockery.

I'm good with that.

charaph: to reproach, taunt, blaspheme, defy, jeopardise, rail, upbraid

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 1:38 PM  

Or the "I'm a good person, why do I need a savior?'

Blogger kurt9 February 17, 2015 1:39 PM  

We should be offering asylum to all non-Muslims in the region, especially the Christians.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber February 17, 2015 1:41 PM  

Vox - a question, please. Do you think that Israel will use nuclear weapons against Iran?

Blogger JDC February 17, 2015 1:44 PM  

A couple ditties from Bonhoeffer:

"Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline. Communion without confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ."

"costly grace confronts us as a gracious call to follow Jesus, it comes as a word of forgiveness to the broken spirit and the contrite heart. It is costly because it compels a man to submit to the yoke of Christ and follow him; it is grace because Jesus says: "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." "

Anonymous Porky February 17, 2015 1:46 PM  

#3 is the least "legitimate" response, in the civilized world we live in.

No, it was the only legitimate response, in the civilized world they live in.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 17, 2015 1:46 PM  

"See black helicopters much?"

I have seen at least one or two black helicopters flying in my life. Have no idea why they are painted black or who was flying them, so I would say no, I don't see many of them at any given time, and the color of helicopters has little to do with the subject at hand.

However I do pay attention to the news and history and don't send what's unpleasant or inconvenient down the memory hole...

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 2:00 PM  

baptism without church discipline

The irony as it is notoriously the Catholic faith (aand any practicing covenantal theology) that baptise infants without church discipline.*

*As a note, I follow covenantal theology so understand and agree with the Catholic position on infant baptism... but I hear Bonhoeffer thinking "catholic" in that.

** Seriously, my auto correct wanted to turn Bonhoeffer into "bongo effervescent"

Blogger Subversive Saint February 17, 2015 2:00 PM  

Faster please.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 2:11 PM  

Azimus February 17, 2015 12:27 PM
I, for one, would like to know what the Roman Catholic Church has to say about this...


My statement was actually in gest - this blog is a perfect example why Islam has even a chance to expand - Christians are dumb. Well, if not exactly dumb - would prefer to debate whether the cookie actually is Christ's body, or a symbol, etc., then to actually do any meaningful work for Christ. It might be the same reason why the atheists rip on us instead of muslims - we aren't going to do anything.

Debate is the health of the body politic - I get it. But if you find yourself desiring to burn the house of the man who feels differently about the communion cookie perhaps the debate has gone too far?

OpenID alphaisassumed February 17, 2015 2:22 PM  

Even though it's from the Atlantic, this is the best description of ISIS I've yet encountered. Yes, it's Islamic, and the only other view of Islam that could possibly compete with it for legitimacy is Salafism.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


~ Martel

Anonymous Citizen Outkast February 17, 2015 2:43 PM  

The battle for the West will begin within the next two decades, and the Men of the West had better be ready for it. The media certainly isn't...

I would say the media is quite ready for it. They've even chosen their side ahead of time and are working even now to gain the result they think they want.

OpenID alphaisassumed February 17, 2015 2:50 PM  

@ Citizen Outkast: "I would say the media is quite ready for it. They've even chosen their side ahead of time and are working even now to gain the result they think they want."

Correct when the emphasis is on "the result they think they want." Regarding what would actually happen if their current allies get the upper hand and turn on the secular "useful idiots" who help them gain power, they'd be completely blindsided. "What do you mean behead ME for sodomy? I cared about your feelings!"


~ Martel

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 3:00 PM  

My statement was actually in gest - this blog is a perfect example why Islam has even a chance to expand - Christians are dumb. Well, if not exactly dumb - would prefer to debate whether the cookie actually is Christ's body, or a symbol, etc., then to actually do any meaningful work for Christ. It might be the same reason why the atheists rip on us instead of muslims - we aren't going to do anything.

So... to my original postcomment you think laying down your life for the hope that someone may find their's through your sacrifice is "doing nothing"?

Or is it the wrong thing to do?

In this, I find a healthy debate could be gained for our growth (hebrews 6) instead of debating our salvation.

Blogger James Dixon February 17, 2015 3:02 PM  

> So... to my original postcomment you think laying down your life for the hope that someone may find their's through your sacrifice is "doing nothing"?

I think acting to save the lives of other believers, even at the cost of the lives of their oppressors, would be doing more.

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Blogger JDC February 17, 2015 4:42 PM  

Well, if not exactly dumb - would prefer to debate whether the cookie actually is Christ's body, or a symbol, etc., then to actually do any meaningful work for Christ

Where does purposefully and knowingly mocking something other Christians consider sacred fit into the body of Christ?

Anonymous Godfrey February 17, 2015 5:33 PM  

JDC February 17, 2015 4:42 PM
"Where does purposefully and knowingly mocking something other Christians consider sacred fit into the body of Christ?"


It doesn't. Remember now, they're Protesters. True Christianity didn't begin until the smiling blown-hair preacher and the mega-television screen.

Anonymous Godfrey February 17, 2015 5:41 PM  

"... Give us this day our daily bread."


Naturally Christ couldn't be referring to here to manna from heaven. No, we don't need anything to survive in this spiritual desert.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 5:42 PM  

JDC February 17, 2015 4:42 PM Well, if not exactly dumb - would prefer to debate whether the cookie actually is Christ's body, or a symbol, etc., then to actually do any meaningful work for Christ

Where does purposefully and knowingly mocking something other Christians consider sacred fit into the body of Christ?


JDC You're making my point for me. It doesn't even need to enter into the conversation because its not productive. Christians prefer to mock each other and debate each other endlessly on subtle points that can never be settled this side of heaven instead of doing real work. Perhaps because it is too tempting, I don't know. I know personally of churches disintegrating because half the congregation REFUSED to drink from a shared cup at communion of all things - so 100 people in a small town alienate each other over nothing, its quite sad.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 5:49 PM  

CM February 17, 2015 3:00 PM
So... to my original postcomment you think laying down your life for the hope that someone may find their's through your sacrifice is "doing nothing"?

Or is it the wrong thing to do?

In this, I find a healthy debate could be gained for our growth (hebrews 6) instead of debating our salvation.


I would say that the lost do not much care about koine Greek or the pontifications of a 14th century pope. What they need to know about is salvation: if dying is part of that, then I would say that it is not doing nothing. Most Christians, very likely including myself may not have the strength/love to do this or even consider it, but it would definitely be something, not nothing.

My point is, there is a vast spectrum of The Lord's work between squabbling over trifles and martyrdom. Christians it seems tend to prefer the extremes? My goal is to praise the Name of God - sometimes in witness, sometimes in good works, sometimes in just saying "thank God we figured out that processing issue" at the plant with the rest of my team. No need to argue or squabble.

I myself am very sympathetic to RCC, in fact the majority of my believing family is RCC though I am not. I have my disagreements but I don't believe there's much point is squabbling about trifles, and it was not my intent to insult anyone but to bring to light the pointless nature of the arguments Christians delight in to their own hurt.



Anonymous Godfrey February 17, 2015 5:50 PM  

Works are the fruits of faith. Faith without works is dead.

Blogger JDC February 17, 2015 5:52 PM  

Azimus - I agree that arguing over minutia (some refer to these as adiaphora), is not constructive, and sometimes destructive. However, when admonishing a fellow Christian about their faith practices, it's a good idea to not make fun of / mock / demean something they consider sacred. You know the sacrament of the altar is sacred to many Christians. So on one side you call for more focused work in the body of Christ, then you make light of something that is sacred to others. I would suggest these are contradictory actions.

Blogger JDC February 17, 2015 6:04 PM  

Another example, taken from the N.T. may be helpful here. Some Christians thought eating meat sacrificed to idols was a no, no. They believed they were defiled if they ingested it. So...if I was going to invite them over for dinner, I would not serve them an Aphrodite burger and explain that, as Paul writes, that food doesn't bring us closer or farther to God. I could say they were being silly, stop their stupidity and enjoy their burger.

Just because we are free in Christ doesn't mean we have to exercise that freedom in all things. If one Christian believes that celebrating Halloween is terrible, I'm not going to invite their kids over for trick or treating. Insert any Christian belief you or I may think odd - speaking in tongues, altar calls, the Rosary, casseroles. In an effort to admonish or build up we in fact can become stumbling blocks. I have recently had this on my heart - speaking with a family who are "converting" from Mennonite to Lutheran due to some difficulties they have with their church. I can carefully explain our beliefs without insulting theirs. I would say purposefully insulting another Christians beliefs is the opposite of productive.

And as Lutheran and former Baptist, I have great respect for the RCC - even when some of them consider me a heretic. I can laugh, and still not insult them. I admire the Catholic who stands up for their pope, even if I don't agree or acknowledge the office. I can disagree with a Baptist who thinks infant baptism is a sham without insulting their beliefs. I'll end the sermon here.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 6:23 PM  

JDC February 17, 2015 5:52 PM Azimus - I agree that arguing over minutia (some refer to these as adiaphora), is not constructive, and sometimes destructive. However, when admonishing a fellow Christian about their faith practices, it's a good idea to not make fun of / mock / demean something they consider sacred. You know the sacrament of the altar is sacred to many Christians. So on one side you call for more focused work in the body of Christ, then you make light of something that is sacred to others. I would suggest these are contradictory actions.

I agree, and apologize, as much as an anonymous apology is meaningful - it was not my intent to offend.

I could tell you a very long story about A Tale of Two Weddings. The short of it is, in the summer of 2012 two of my cousins married, one RCC, one Methodist. The marriage celebrations were sharply contrasted. The former was full of joy and when they gave the homily they shared their beliefs with joy and excitement, saying "What we believe is great, you're going to love it, join us!" The latter was a sickly and pathetic continual apology - they couldn't even bring themselves to say "God", they kept saying "Holy One". The homily was some innocuous thing about how married couples should give each other space - nothing about God or faith or even really the sanctity of marriage. It was disgusting. So, yes, even though I am a "Protestor", I was proud of the RCC's for standing up for what they believe in - in fact I think through history that was their greatest strength.

Debate and meditation (of the Psalmist variety, not yoga variety) is definitely fruitful and leads to truth - but only when it is done with honesty. Too often "debate" is just more shutting off the ears and increasing power to the vocal cords - that was why I was so surprised when my tongue-in-cheek comment about what the RCC says got the response it did - which lead to my greater point about delighting in argument for arguments' sake. I suppose muslims argue as well, but it's usually done with 7.62x39 - that does make us more civilized, but it also makes equally productive as the muslims - meaning not productive at all.

OpenID simplytimothy February 17, 2015 6:23 PM  

know personally of churches disintegrating because half the congregation REFUSED to drink from a shared cup at communion of all things - so 100 people in a small town alienate each other over nothing, its quite sad.

Chesterton saw this as a virtue of the faith; it is a faith ready to go to war (his words) over what appear to be trivial matters but are really of great import. We know also from St. Paul's epistles that heated debates where part and parcel of the early church. For example, Paul and some other apostle refused to get on the same ship together and parted ways over a doctrinal issue, only to work it out years later.


OpenID simplytimothy February 17, 2015 6:36 PM  

Team Catholic

Cool. That is the first time I have read that term here and it is good to see and I look forward to some spirited debates.

If I may start by agreeing on some definitions to avoid confusion in the future.

catholic (small c): universal. the catholic church.

Catholic: (capital C): The Roman Catholic Church.
The catholic church is the Body of Christ; a subset of the catholic church includes members of the Catholic church and other denominations.

Agreed?

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2015 6:46 PM  

simplytimothy February 17, 2015 6:23 PM
Chesterton saw this as a virtue of the faith


While I would never argue directly with Chesterton, I would say simply that different times have different priorities. The Protestant-Catholic-Orthodox trifecta and the nations they called home more or less ruled the entire planet in 1900, and agreed on a lot of the fundamentals; the world is much different today, and the fundamentals are a mess.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 17, 2015 6:48 PM  

zen0: "@ Gilbert K. Chesterton
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions."

Tolerance is the virtue of the man with poor target selection. That's a lot of people.

Tolerance is important when voices are whispering in your ear -- or shouting -- demanding aggression. Many people did not support the attack on Iraq, not because they understood how they were being lied to, or even that they were being lied to, but only because they were reluctant to go to war with anyone, even Saddam Hussein.

Tolerance is especially important with kin. Ukraine was beset with a five billion dollar campaign that in essence said: "Listen to the voice that lies; take the Jews' gold; strike down your brother and all will be well!" Too many people fell for it, so Ukraine is torn with civil war. A stubborn attitude of refusing to be too irritated by the faults of one's national kin would have been better.

"Tolerance" is the virtue of the man who is beaten and doesn't want to admit it, even though the "tolerated" (actually triumphant) wrong is obvious, even undisputed. That's a different thing. We have too much of it.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 17, 2015 6:50 PM  

rycamor: "The #1 thing we can do is get guns & ammo to the Middle East Christians."

That's the #3 thing.

The #2 thing would be to stop funding the enemy.

Unfortunately it's impossible without self-rule.

Without independence, America, Israel's golem, smashes what it's directed to smash and funds what it's directed to fund, in contempt of the interests and values of whites, Christians and gentiles generally. Without independence, nothing is possible, including our survival. So that's the #1 thing.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 17, 2015 7:26 PM  

Tolerance; how much and in regards to what? Tolerance is not the problem. Without tolerance we would at each other's throat. The question is one of acceptance of that which is divinely prohibited to the believer and of that which is to penalized as a legal matter.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 17, 2015 7:34 PM  

I forgot to include that Jeroboam's sin was idolatry by the adoption and practice of the rituals in yhe worship of Ashtoreth. The theocracy that Israel is to live under, with all the attendant civil laws that carries, is not applicable to other nations & people.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 17, 2015 7:46 PM  

"St. Paul didn't know where he was going when he wrote "Work out your Salvation in fear and trembling..."

Because being saved does not mean a trouble free life nor instant omniscience. We still struggle and even more so. Because, we know now and embrace what is good and are impotent before so much evil. Of course, there is that whole thing about the personal flesh-spirit conflicts ghat Paul also addresses.

Blogger mmaier2112 February 17, 2015 9:02 PM  

Excuse me, but hasn't this been going on more or less constantly since the US attacked Pakistan and Iraq over a decade ago?

Why the selective outrage now? There have been much larger atrocities, if memory serves. And much more numbers have been displaced, esp. in Iraq.

Blogger CM February 17, 2015 9:23 PM  

Azimus, thank you for the response.

My point is, there is a vast spectrum of The Lord's work between squabbling over trifles and martyrdom. Christians it seems tend to prefer the extremes?

I would never go out of my way seeking to be martyred. There's too much work I need to be alive for (llike raising my children).

But if I'm presented with the option of killing an unbeliever or being a witness through death, I'd hope I'd have the strength of faith to give them the opportunity to find God.

Now for most Christians, they will never be presented with that... so learning to live our faith is more necessary than dying for it.

Blogger Bogey February 17, 2015 9:30 PM  

The 21st century is about to learn that far from being the epitomes of evil, the Crusades, the Reconquista, and the Spanish Inquisition were all right, necessary, and above all self-defensive reactions by Western civilization against aggressive Islamic expansion.

I'm glad someone in the public has the cast iron balls to say so. Eventually the atheists who love the line "what about the bloody crusades?" will have to hone up to this.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 18, 2015 1:21 AM  

mmaier2112: "Excuse me, but hasn't this been going on more or less constantly since the US attacked Pakistan and Iraq over a decade ago?"

Since the foundation of Israel, on and off. American foreign policy is in the hands of people who don't even like Christians.

But ISIL has a talent for Hollywood spectacle, or it has backers who do.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 18, 2015 1:28 AM  

The 21st century is about to learn that far from being the epitomes of evil, the Crusades, the Reconquista, and the Spanish Inquisition were all right, necessary, and above all self-defensive reactions by Western civilization against aggressive Islamic expansion.

Seeing what I see now, in the 21st Century, I think fewer crusades were a good idea than were thought right at the time, but more Inquisitions than were thought justifiable till the present day, including both the Portuguese and the Roman Inquisitions. European Man was under attack, and with him naturally his religion as well as his national / ethnic identities. (At the time, Christianity was the religion of the Europeans. It no longer has that ethnic character; on the contrary it is by a huge majority non-white and objectively anti-white.) There had to be vigorous defensive reactions to both the external and the internal threat, against both the predators and the parasites. One can argue about which crusades and which aspects of the inquisitions were ill-directed, but I think we can see clearly now that "do nothing" was never a viable option.

If anyone back then had published futuristic science fiction on the perennial theme "if this goes on," nothing publishable would have come close to what is happening now, in terms of moral and sexual pollution, usury and economic exploitation, and w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. February 18, 2015 2:12 AM  

If anyone has the stomach to view the unedited video, you can find it on shoebat.com. As the men are pushed to the ground and the knives are put to their throats, they can be heard to cry out together "Ya rabbi Yasou," "Jesus is my Lord." Let this video be instead a celebration of their martyrdom, and don't shield your eyes from it so we never forget.

Blogger Thordaddy February 18, 2015 2:16 AM  

Tolerance is the transforming of pain into "pleasure" so that "it" is then indiscriminately applied to all things.

Blogger Thordaddy February 18, 2015 2:22 AM  

Tolerance + Nondiscrimination = surest path to self-annihilation.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 18, 2015 2:25 AM  

If unbelief (in Islam) waved as the froth (of the sea) we will fill the plains red crimson blood … we walked dark nights, to slice and slaughter, with the blade of vengeance that poisons whom [our] anger is upon.

What lovely fellows. I'm sure we can live in peace with them. Let's all applaud as the Pope ushers millions more of them into Europe.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 18, 2015 2:30 AM  

Jesus said to them, “Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

See the wine that is poured out to be drunk with the bread that is made with the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 18, 2015 9:35 AM  

Andrew Spooner Jr., thanks for posting where I could see the video. It is hard to watch but we owe it to them, that they not be ignored. Oh, Lord Jesus How long?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 18, 2015 10:03 AM  

Prior to the release of this execution, the call on Christ to appear and rescue the 21 Copts has become a typical occurrence in Egypt since Egypt is mentioned in Scripture that upon His return (Isaiah 19) “they will call on the Lord to send them a Savior and a Mighty One“. And so in this following demonstration calling for Christ to descent and rescue the 21 brethren, they cried out: “Have mercy, save us O Lord for You are our salvation … Kurielaison (Lord have mercy) … O Lord of hosts …” as they did the sign of the crucifix (see 1:40) declaring their faith publicly as to take the mark of God (Revelation 9:4) in the midst of a Muslim majority population yelling out “we are not kafir (heathen)”.

Blogger Akulkis February 19, 2015 2:32 AM  

"What we need is a Catholic billionaire to fund an international counter-jihad military with his own money"

I think they've got one or more in the Vatican... they say the estate is worth multi-billions.

Blogger Akulkis February 19, 2015 3:43 AM  

"It's called the sin of presumption, a sin against the virtue of hope"

That is utterly retarded, beyond the ability of language to even describe how utterly retarded it is, as there is absolutely ZERO ZILCH NADA in the New Testament to support any such idea, and a great many verses that directly contradict it.

Catholic doctrine may recognize Jesus as divine, but it sure as hell doesn't recognize his teachings.

Blogger Akulkis February 19, 2015 3:48 AM  

"We should be offering asylum to all non-Muslims in the region, especially the Christians."

Can't do that -- the Jews who finance the Democratic Party and all of the RINOS would rather die than admit more Christians into the country... because to them, Christians are the MAIN ENEMY against whom alliances with literally anybody (even Jew-hating Muzlims) MUST be made.

It's no different than Mao hanging back and not fighting the Japs, because the Japs were killing the Chinese Nationalists....

Leftists are always, first and foremost, traitors, because they will invite in ANY adversary as a way to eliminate their domestic opposition.

Blogger Akulkis February 19, 2015 3:52 AM  

"
Well, if not exactly dumb - would prefer to debate whether the cookie actually is Christ's body, or a symbol, etc., then to actually do any meaningful work for Christ

Where does purposefully and knowingly mocking something other Christians consider sacred fit into the body of Christ? "



When the belief is nothing more than a dressed-up pagan belief.

Anonymous Stilicho February 19, 2015 4:40 AM  

Pacifism always tastes like chicken. And for the obvious reason. Claiming that it is an opportunity for martyrdom is simply a weak attempt to claim the moral high ground for cowardice.

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