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Monday, February 02, 2015

Sad Puppies 3: the reactions

Larry Correia has some comments on passing the Sad Puppies banner to Brad Torgersen:
These are my suggested nominations. I am under no delusions that you guys do exactly what I suggest. :) (seriously, it is like herding cats!). But I would encourage you to take a look at these, and consider nominating all of them. Everybody up there is someone who the ELoE talked about. Many of these are deserving, worthy types, who would basically be ignored because they don’t appease the SJW clique. I’ll share with you some of our reasoning.

After accomplishing my goals for SP2 of getting the SJWs to have a giant, public freak out demonstrating their political biases (accomplished, hoo boy, was that ever accomplished!) and auditing the vote process (accomplished, I saw zero evidence of dishonesty from the WorldCon people) I was ready to hang it up and not do an SP3. However, as a result of the giant public SJW come apart, I got contacted by a lot of people, fans and creators both, encouraging me to keep going.
See, the Hugos are broken. Everybody who is sane and paying attention realizes that it is just a popularity contest that has come to be dominated by one tiny insular group. The Hugos are supposed to mean something. They’re supposed to represent what ALL of fandom thinks is awesome. Many of the regular voters still treat it seriously, but they’re outnumbered. Hell, even the people benefitting from the Hugo’s current state will admit that it is broken, only they do so privately, and certainly not in front of the unwashed masses who like things like fun or enjoyment. (that’s you guys!) :)

Last year, I got most of my suggested nominees on the ballot. I basically just listed who I was voting for, and I voted based upon what I liked. However, we all learned some interesting things from the resulting SJW freak out. I nominated people ranging from fire breathing right wing curmudgeons, to mushy moderates, and a few that I honestly had no clue what their personal beliefs were. However, the SJWs immediately labeled every single one of them as a racist, homophobic, right wing, hate-monger of hatey-hate-hate, and how this wasn’t about me bringing some popular relevance back to the Hugos, but rather an attempt to keep women and minorities out of publishing. We all know that is crap, but that’s what they ran with.
Longtime Hugo observer Mike Glynn of File 770 had a few thoughts as well, as he observed the fact that the Locus list of recommended books appeared to shade distinctly pink:
The list is always a focal point of discussion during awards season. This year it may also provide ammunition for the Sad Puppies 3 campaign because despite its breadth it contains a grand total of zero works written by —

    Larry Correia
    Brad Torgersen
    John C. Wright
    Vox Day
    Sarah Hoyt
    Dan Wells

— five writers who were on last year’s Sad Puppies slate, and a sixth, John C. Wright, who has been constantly mentioned as a writer they will endorse in 2015. Four members of last year’s slate, Correia, Torgersen, Day and Wells, made the 2014 Hugo ballot (though none was on last year’s Locus list, either).

Oh, and the current Locus list also contains absolutely zero works published by Baen Books.
Not a single book published by Baen. Probably more than a few by Tor, I'm guessing. Perhaps it is because the FASCISTS at Baen publish nothing but FASCIST SCUMBAGS, not unlike the FASCIST Jim Butcher.
Ian Sales@ian_sales
I see fascist scumbags’ve posted their ballot & they’re a force to be reckoned with which is why same few names appear lots of times on it

Ian Sales ‏@ian_sales
surprised Jim Butcher is on their list, didn’t know he was a fascist. Not that I’ve read his books or ever plan to
Actually, we're neither fascists nor scumbags, Ian. But it's true, we are a force with which to be reckoned.

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29 Comments:

Anonymous Randy M February 02, 2015 5:05 PM  

Ian there assumed you could only nominate or even read works by fellow fascists. Projection on several counts

Anonymous p-dawg February 02, 2015 5:08 PM  

"Not that I’ve read his books or ever plan to"

Why would you need to actually read something by an author to know whether you like that author or not? All you need to know is who else likes or doesn't like that person, after all.

Anonymous Salt February 02, 2015 5:32 PM  

From a comment at File 770 -

"And to the Puppies, no, I’m very far from an SJW. ..., I do seriously mind a politically oriented effort from any political axis to stuff the ballot box."

He just doesn't get it. So many don't realize what the Hugos are now.

Anonymous joe doakes February 02, 2015 5:54 PM  

I signed up as Sustaining Member of Sasquan to vote the Sad Puppies ballot. Does that get me reciprocal membership in the Evil League of Evil?

Blogger Jason February 02, 2015 6:09 PM  

I appeared on the list twice and Sci Phi related things three times on Larry's list :D

Awesome :P

When do the death threats start and the cheques start arriving from the Koch brothers?

I'll deny Global Warming too if that helps?

Anonymous JN February 02, 2015 6:27 PM  

Why would you need to actually read something by an author to know whether you like that author or not? All you need to know is who else likes or doesn't like that person, after all.

Pre-selection. SJW's are girls at heart.

Blogger Vox February 02, 2015 6:31 PM  

Does that get me reciprocal membership in the Evil League of Evil?

Minion status, certainly. EVIL minion.

Anonymous Rolf February 02, 2015 6:49 PM  

Personally, I like my "Henchman" rocker under my "Boomershoot" shoulder patch.
"Minions" are the ones that help out, but not licensed to manufacture explosives.
The mere "unindicted coconspirator" rockers are for the masses.
The "Evil Mastermind" patches went to the inner-circle ringleaders, the ones with the secret codes and extra paperwork.

Anonymous Nathan February 02, 2015 7:26 PM  

Looks like the Sad Puppies brought Clamps out of hiding...

Anonymous Daniel February 02, 2015 8:01 PM  

The same few names? The same few names? That's pretty funny, considering the short list of repeats who get nominated for something every year. Throw in a batch of unknowns who remain that way following the hoisting of the rocket,and that's it.

I'd say "Attaboy, Worldcon" but the dead kid from Nationwide told me that was sexist during the Perry Bowl, or something.

Hugo, girl!

Anonymous Valiant February 02, 2015 8:27 PM  

Should I be worried that I have not received my email containing my PIN number if I signed up last week?

Blogger Tiago Paolini February 02, 2015 8:39 PM  

@Valiant: PINs are sent manually, and it might take up to one or two weeks to get yours.

Blogger Quadko February 02, 2015 9:30 PM  

OT-ish:

"Prefer to die in the light, throwing insults and defiance at your enemy, than cower in the dark."

Paraphrase of Exploring J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit by Corey Olsen, p227, regarding Bilbo's courage in Smaug's lair. I'm thoroughly enjoying this book, and that phrasing joined my collection of goals and inspirations sticky notes on the mirror.

Anonymous Ingsoc February 02, 2015 9:47 PM  


Ian Sales ‏@ian_sales
surprised Jim Butcher is on their list, didn’t know he was a fascist. Not that I’ve read his books or ever plan to


Ignorance Is Strength!

It is obvious that not one pink SF SJW has ever read Darkness at Noon and learned from the fate of Rubishov.

To parody these people becomes ever more difficutl.

Blogger Zimri February 02, 2015 10:38 PM  

Personally, I'm one of Moldbug's proselytes to Jacobite royalism. I consider fascism gauche.

Blogger Mr. Buford February 02, 2015 10:47 PM  

I was in touch with a representative of Sasquan today related to a PIN issue and he noted that they had received 600 subscriptions in the last ten days related to voting and that this was adding to the delay in issuance of PIN's.
Perhaps the call to muster the Grenadier Guard Battalion by the Marshals of the Evil League of Evil is responsible?!? The possibility put a grim smile on this this grognard's face.

Anonymous bsrealm February 02, 2015 10:54 PM  

off topic,

does anyone know how good the reid hoffman startup books are?

i was perusing some of ben casnocha's essays recently, and i think i smelled a john scalzi type vibe to them. not sure if i'm over thinking that, but would be glad of an opinion.

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Blogger Brad Andrews February 03, 2015 12:05 AM  

So is Sad Puppies happening as well as Rapid Puppies? Or are they the same? I am a bit confused.

I may or may not end up reading nominated works prior to voting, depending on how much time I have from when they release them until the votes are due. The SJWs have set the precedent that reading the stories is not as important as supporting the right people after all.

Anonymous Rolf February 03, 2015 2:14 AM  

I just did a perusal of the last couple of winners of the Campbell award.

Impressive.

But not in a way that I think the recipients would find flattering.

Blogger James Dixon February 03, 2015 2:26 AM  

> So is Sad Puppies happening as well as Rapid Puppies? Or are they the same? I am a bit confused.

They're both happening, and while there is a fair amount of overlap they're not identical. Review them both and use your own judgement.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 03, 2015 6:19 AM  

Fascists believed that race was bullshit and a social construct.

Fascists were also pro female suffrage.

LOLZLZZZOLZLO

Anonymous Steve February 03, 2015 6:52 AM  

surprised Jim Butcher is on their list, didn’t know he was a fascist. Not that I’ve read his books or ever plan to

Lols.

Umm... Harry DRESDEN, named after the famous Nazi city?

The fact that he's always snarling "forzare!", which is, like, something Mussolini would have said?

The WHITE Council, run by a heteropatriarchal Merlin?

What more evidence do you need?

OpenID cailcorishev February 03, 2015 8:57 AM  

Plus, Harry hasn't had a single homosexual encounter, as far as I can remember (haven't read the last book or two). He also admires feminine beauty (to a fault sometimes). Unconscionable.

Blogger Brad Andrews February 03, 2015 9:01 AM  

They're both happening, and while there is a fair amount of overlap they're not identical. Review them both and use your own judgement.

I kind of guessed that after posting, though it seems odd since Vox said he didn't want to dilute things in another post, citing the fact Sara Hoyt missed the nomination last year because of people not voting consistently.

Blogger Huggums February 03, 2015 6:29 PM  

Somewhat OT, but I think this is more evidence of people becoming exhausted with leftism and faux social "justice" non-issues. The sanctimonious tone so familiar to all of us is what really sells it to me.

Anonymous Bz February 04, 2015 11:11 AM  

"He also admires feminine beauty (to a fault sometimes). Unconscionable."

Cisbeauty at that. Unforgivable.

Anonymous hygate February 25, 2015 8:52 AM  

I started reading the Dresden File books because Butcher was recommended by Sad Puppies, found them to be excellent page turners, and was pleasantly suprised to find Christian characters that were portrayed in a positive manner.



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