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Saturday, February 28, 2015

Shots across the bow

Zerohedge notes that China appears to be taking sides in the Ukraine conflict and doing so in support of Russia:
Speaking in very clear and explicit language, something diplomats are not used to doing, the Chinese ambassador said the "nature and root cause" of the crisis was the "game" between Russia and Western powers, including the United States and the European Union.
He said external intervention by different powers accelerated the crisis and warned that Moscow would feel it was being treated unfairly if the West did not change its approach.

"The West should abandon the zero-sum mentality, and take the real security concerns of Russia into consideration," Qu was quoted as saying.

His comments were an unusually public show of understanding from China for the Russian position. China and Russia see eye-to-eye on many international diplomatic issues but Beijing has generally not been so willing to back Russia over Ukraine.
As noted above, China has long been very cautious not to be drawn into the struggle between Russia and the West over Ukraine's future, not wanting to alienate a key ally. And yet, something changed overnight, with this very clear language, warning some could say, that China will no longer tolerate Pax Americana, and even the mere assumption of a unipolar western world, let alone the reality.
Qu's comments take place just as talks between the United States and its European allies over harsher sanctions against Moscow.
On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Western powers of trying to dominate and impose their ideology on the rest of world. The United States and European delegations slammed Moscow for supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.

Qu said Washington's involvement in Ukraine could "become a distraction in its foreign policy".
And then, Qu's slap in the face of Obama: "The United States is unwilling to see its presence in any part of the world being weakened, but the fact is its resources are limited, and it will be to some extent hard work to sustain its influence in external affairs."
Very soon after which a prominent critic of Putin was shot dead in a blatant hit that doesn't resemble the usual Russian method of dealing with their critics. Of course, trying to determine whether it is a Russian act, a CIA act meant to look like a Russian act, or a Russian act meant to look like a CIA act, is futile. But it does look as if we're back at near-Cold War levels of hostility between the USA and Russia.

The key difference this time, in my opinion, is that the Russian people will be considerably more united against the USA and its Western allies under a Russian nationalist like Putin than they ever were under the Soviets. If the American strategists are failing to take this into account, their efforts are likely to end in disaster.

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Blogger Salt February 28, 2015 8:18 AM  

Seems China is also moving away from Western technology.

“We have previously acknowledged that geopolitical concerns have impacted our business in certain emerging markets,” said a Cisco spokesman.

Back during the Cold War it was USA v Russia. China? Huh? What's China? Guess the World is choosing up sides.

Anonymous PA February 28, 2015 8:19 AM  

the Russian people will be considerably more united against the USA and its Western allies

Eastern Europeans have a well justified distrust of Russia, but this is beginning to hit against their growing wariness of globalist West's offering. See the Hungarian premier's direct condemnation of immigration (LINK).

But as seen in the recent Ukraine thread, EEs and Westerners still talk past each other on the subject of Russia. Americans cannot relate to a brutish dictatorship of their co-ethnics, Eastern Europeans cannot relate to the horror of multikult.

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 28, 2015 8:34 AM  

It seems the world is tired of America trying to tell everyone what to do

Blogger Bobo February 28, 2015 8:56 AM  

(Reaches for potassium iodine-laced popcorn...)

OpenID simplytimothy February 28, 2015 9:14 AM  

Good.

To my meager mind, destroying the Federal Reserve Note seems the fastest* way of depriving FedGov of its power; This action by China will hasten that day.

I am also very pleased that the anti-American global corporations like Cisco, the WSJ, etc are having the bill come due on their rejection of Western Civilisation and attempted to replace it with a "Market Civilisation"


*excluding a nuclear attack by both China and Russa,which I believe the groundwork for is being laid.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 28, 2015 9:21 AM  

Should China adopt a more robust attitude to resolving some of its own foreign policy disputes, it will surely expect, and likely get, equal sympathy from Russia.

Blogger Mastermind February 28, 2015 9:30 AM  

"Very soon after which a prominent critic of Putin was shot dead in a blatant hit that doesn't resemble the usual Russian method of dealing with their critics."

What? That's exactly the usual Russian method of dealing with it (see Anna Politkovskaya). You think they go through the trouble of feeding them polonium on their own territory? Russian justice system is incredibly inept even under normal circumstances, getting away with an even half decently planned murder is about as easy as ordering pizza.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 28, 2015 9:35 AM  

PA: "But as seen in the recent Ukraine thread, EEs and Westerners still talk past each other on the subject of Russia. Americans cannot relate to a brutish dictatorship of their co-ethnics, Eastern Europeans cannot relate to the horror of multikult."

The Eastern European position has a certain logic. If you can have just one wish on the monkey's paw, and your wish is that you never again be mistreated by any co-ethnics, the multikult horror, after a period of transition, will grant you that wish to the full and forever, irrevocably.

Anonymous PA February 28, 2015 9:49 AM  

"the Russian people will be considerably more united against the USA"

A related development we may see: the American people will be considerably less inclined to support their government.

Blogger Student in Blue February 28, 2015 9:50 AM  

Considering John Kerry's tone and quickness of response, I would not be surprised if it was the US behind this.

Blogger Hunsdon February 28, 2015 9:51 AM  

Mastermind said: You think they go through the trouble of feeding them polonium on their own territory?

Hunsdon said: Dear Citizen Nemtsov, a review of your recent tax filings by the Tax Inspectorate has revealed that you have, apparently, attempted to defraud the Government Budget of _______ rubles. Please report to Office 312, Moscow Tax Inspectorate Building, at 8:00 a.m. Monday 2d March. Please to bring toothbrush.

Anonymous Roundtine February 28, 2015 10:13 AM  

China and Russia are not friends. This is wholly an American creation. China is completely pragmatic and will flip flop at the drop of a hat. The media and govt change the names they call disputed territory, and it changes frequently. Right now they are pro-Russia and supporting Russian claims. Wait a few years and they will change again. Or not, if America decides to go full retard.

Blogger Salt February 28, 2015 10:20 AM  

Interesting piece by Paul Craig Roberts at LRC,

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 28, 2015 10:27 AM  

America also flip-flops, whenever those who own the news mass media, the entertainment mass media and academia flip the switch.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 28, 2015 10:43 AM  

Dear President Putin,

Nice job. But a little further West next time, please. And bring bigger guns, more ammo.

Anonymous Aquila Aquilonis February 28, 2015 11:12 AM  

I dislike the Chinese far worse than the Russians. They are more of a competitor economically than the Russians.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 11:31 AM  

"A related development we may see: the American people will be considerably less inclined to support their government."

And I sincerely doubt that the planners inside DC Beltway have taken this into account.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 11:34 AM  

I have to wonder if this is what it felt like to be an englishman in 1911...

Blogger Al Cibiades February 28, 2015 11:40 AM  

Right Nate. Or like Michael Psellus impotently watching the decline of Byzantium.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 11:41 AM  

@ Roundtine:

Right now they are pro-Russia and supporting Russian claims. Wait a few years and they will change again.

The current romance has been going on for almost 20 years now, starting with the Shanghai Cooperative Organization.

Back in the early 90's One of the chief tenets that Russia agreed to, in order to wind down the Soviet Union peacefully, was that the newly-united East and West Germany, would be joining NATO. However, just as importantly, in return the guarantee was given to Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, that NATO(a military deterrent created as a counter-balance to check Soviet forces in Europe), would not, under any circumstances, “frog leap” Germany, and expand its membership further eastward.......

The very first public admission by the globalists, that they meant to break their promises about NATO expansion toward Russia, was by President Clinton, all the way back in 1996. By the way, if you’ll remember, 1996 was the exact same year that the group, which would become the SCO, was formed.........
..


http://thewealthwatchman.com/united-eurasia-pt-2-the-powerful-organization-that-no-ones-talking-about/

Anonymous Giuseppe February 28, 2015 11:51 AM  

Well, I have been learning quite a bit about Russians, Russian culture and even a bit of the language. It started with martial arts and then went into Russian women, but the thing is that they are an really interesting people. I have travelled a lot and been embedded pretty deeply in more than one or two cultures in my life, if I had to summarise concisely, I would say the Russians have possibly the clearest view of reality than any other cultural group I have come across. The only exception may be the Japanese, though in some way the Japanese do not see reality so clearly as maybe they actively CHANGE reality to suit themselves, better than most. The Russians are a curious mix of East and West. Having very similar values to the West, but curiously efficient and persevering modes of the East in certain regards. And in an all-out war between East and West that doesn't actually use nukes... I'd rather be on the Russkie side. It would be harsher and less organised, but I think they would ultimately still win. But give it time, and we'll all soon find out in real-time involvement quite possibly.

Anonymous H2 February 28, 2015 11:58 AM  

I don't understand why American politicians are so hellbent on having another Cold War. Is it just another distraction for the general public? I also wonder how much support there is in the general public for this anti-Russian sentiment....I doubt the average Joe wants to start another Cold War.

Anonymous Curtis February 28, 2015 12:01 PM  

A hit on a State Dept. NGO stooge? Who woulda thunk? Look no further than the American Embassy and some State Dept. CTU thug.

And EVEN if it was a Russian hit, there is a word for operating under the influence of an outside State actor. Treason.

Anonymous takin' a look February 28, 2015 12:02 PM  

Somewhat on topic This is the sign of the end

He understands that ultimately, this will be a war between the Bankstas and the rest of us.

Anonymous Curtis February 28, 2015 12:04 PM  

I don't understand why American politicians are so hellbent on having another Cold War.

It keeps the other branch of government fed. The Military Industrial Complex. But really, go read The Project for a New American Century again and the companion book The Pentagons New Map.

Anonymous takin' a look February 28, 2015 12:10 PM  

-Curtis

It keeps the other branch of government fed. The Military Industrial Complex. But really, go read The Project for a New American Century again and the companion book The Pentagons New Map.

Don't forget Richard Pearle's A Clean Break for the trifecta.

Blogger kurt9 February 28, 2015 12:19 PM  

Blogger "Alfin" has been talking about China's long term objectives with regards to Russia.

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/china-working-to-buy-control-of-russias-oil-gas-fields/

Note the map of future China.

Blogger Cecil Henry February 28, 2015 12:43 PM  

For over 100 years now somebody (who I wonder) has been determined that Russia and the US not be in good relations.

This is ridiculous and bad for both nations. There is no need for this conflict and every reason for Russia and the US to co operate for mutual economic and security benefits.


Alas this does not happen. Enough.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 12:53 PM  

"I don't understand why American politicians are so hellbent on having another Cold War."

Because the administration is the most incompetent in memory. The only thing Romney would do better than Obama... is foreign policy.

it would've been bad policy under Romney... but at least it would've been well-executed bad policy.

Romney was talking about Russia in 2008. And everyone said he was a dumb dumb.

Who's the dumb dumb now?

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 1:02 PM  

"This is ridiculous and bad for both nations. There is no need for this conflict and every reason for Russia and the US to co operate for mutual economic and security benefits. "

It really is epic retardery.

We're facing the third expansion of islam.. and the two strongest none islamic nations are picking fights with each other.

Anonymous Curtis February 28, 2015 1:26 PM  

We're facing the third expansion of islam..

The continuation of the Bush 7 countries in 5 years plan?

And does anyone really believe that the continuation of the Bush plan, as continued by Obama, is a plan gone awry by an Obama clusterpuck?

Come on. You have all these big boys and their gofers from the State Dept., CIA, NSA, Treasury, DHS, DoD, and ABC who, what? Can't get their ducks in a row? But, but because Obama? Naw. I think there is a method behind this method. And while everyone is studying it judiciously as you will, they are creating more realities for you.

Anonymous Anubis February 28, 2015 1:32 PM  

"Dear President Putin,Nice job. But a little further West next time, please. And bring bigger guns, more ammo."

Dear President Putin, Nice job. Joe Biden's cocaine snorting son in control of Ukraine's natural gas has said bad things about you as well. Please get a Hawaiian birth certificate.

"We're facing the third expansion of islam.. and the two strongest none islamic nations are picking fights with each other."

Obama can't say or spell Islamic terror. The only way he could be considered successful is if he was trying to destroy the US. Don't forget all wars are bankers wars.

Anonymous Curtis February 28, 2015 1:35 PM  

From Drudge...

Russian opposition (U.S. NGO's) leaders see Kremlin links to Nemtsov slaying...

'I'M AFRAID PUTIN WILL KILL ME'...

Planned to reveal Russian links to Ukraine conflict...

Just got to love that last one. And the ignorant booboisie will suck it up.

And why, exactly, would Putin not have any links to Ukraine's conflict on its border in light of the fact that the U.S. spent over 5 Billion dollars destabilizing Ukraine? Right on Russia's border.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 1:44 PM  

"Planned to reveal Russian links to Ukraine conflict..."

This one goes in the "No Shit" category. Russia is supporting the Eastern Ukraine rebels. The US is supporting the undemocratically installed Kiev government and has been since the coup. Just to clear up any confusion.

Anonymous Chief_Tuscaloosa_welcome_white_man February 28, 2015 2:58 PM  

Nate February 28, 2015 11:34 AM
I have to wonder if this is what it felt like to be an englishman in 1911...
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Me thinkum Nate not consider year 1657 when Chief Cromwell let other tribe have right of
return to English tribe-land. Me thinkum that good move for Chief Cromwell, not so good move for English tribe, but what Chief Tuscaloosa know?

Anonymous takin' a look February 28, 2015 3:01 PM  

^ thread-winner!!!!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 28, 2015 3:40 PM  

"Me thinkum that good move for Chief Cromwell, not so good move for English tribe, but what Chief Tuscaloosa know?"

Chief Tuscaloosa know enough.

Anonymous The other skeptic February 28, 2015 3:56 PM  

Came across this at the Daily Pundit:

The Day of Wrath by William Forstchen ... which seems to predict a Muslim attack on schools in the US.

(Maybe the President should disarm Muslims in the US.)

Anonymous Curtis February 28, 2015 4:35 PM  

Maybe Christians should disarm abortionists in the US?

Anonymous Heaviside February 28, 2015 4:52 PM  

I don't know if Putin is a Russian nationalist, as many self-described Russian nationalists are in his opposition, though of course someone will suggest that they are pawns of the CIA etc.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 28, 2015 6:41 PM  

The US is supporting the undemocratically installed Kiev government and has been since the coup. Just to clear up any confusion.

What amazes me is that there are still people who continue to deny this.

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 6:56 PM  

Even Putin's opposition think Nemstov hit a false flag

Anonymous zen0 February 28, 2015 7:27 PM  

Putin warns of possible false flag attack (from 2012)

Blogger Nate February 28, 2015 8:32 PM  

"And does anyone really believe that the continuation of the Bush plan, as continued by Obama, is a plan gone awry by an Obama clusterpuck?"

As I said... it was bad foreign policy. Certainly it was more competently executed bad foreign policy than Obama. Note that Dubya had Iraq largely under control.. and had trouble in afghanistan... but nothing nearly so bad as ISIS. ISIS is pure 100% grade A Obama... or more accurately... its Hillary.

Charlie Wilson's War... Part Duex... Dumb and Dumber version.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 01, 2015 3:32 AM  

V Putin would and did not order this.

Sad loss to his family and friends but this is a FF/something else was up - I back Russia.

The US has no business in their matters.

Blogger njartist March 01, 2015 8:54 AM  

A prophet's expose: Boris Nemtsov was a Russian double agent revealing the European cartel's secrets.

Blogger njartist March 01, 2015 9:18 AM  

@zen0 February 28, 2015 11:41 AM
Your link: http://thewealthwatchman.com/united-eurasia-pt-2-the-powerful-organization-that-no-ones-talking-about/

Take a look at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization logo: recognize the similarity: there are no coincidences.

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