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Monday, February 09, 2015

Stealing honor

Now, I'm not privy to the details of either Captain Matt Golsteyn or the investigation of him, but this revoking of a Silver Star stinks of perfumed princes and their aversion to public criticism as well as the Obama administration's hatred of the US military:
In 2011, shortly after a book by author and Marine Bing West came out that detailed Golsteyn’s heroism and quoted him making critical remarks about the American strategy in Afghanistan, I learned that the Army had launched a criminal investigation into his actions during the battle. (Again, full disclosure: I was also interviewed for that book, The Wrong War, and make a brief appearance in it.)

The investigation, apparently, had nothing to do with the acts of bravery that earned Golsteyn his medal. Instead, according to the Washington Post, which cited officials familiar with the case, it concerned “an undisclosed violation of the military’s rules of engagement in combat for killing a known enemy fighter and bomb maker.” The investigation stretched on for nearly two years, during which time the Army effectively put Golsteyn’s career on ice. In 2014, Golsteyn and his lawyer were informed that the investigation was finally complete. No charges were filed, but Golsteyn still wasn’t released from administrative limbo.

Alerted about the controversy by another Army officer, Captain Will Swenson, Congressman Duncan Hunter wrote last year to John McHugh, the secretary of the Army, asking about the status of Golsteyn’s seemingly endless career freeze. Apparently the secretary did not take kindly to the inquiry, as he responded in a letter last November that not only would he not be upgrading Golsteyn’s Silver Star to a Distinguished Service Cross, but would be revoking Golsteyn’s Silver Star entirely, a fact that Hunter revealed publicly in an article for the Daily Beast published on Tuesday.

The revocation of an award such as the Silver Star is extraordinarily rare, and typically would happen in the case of the recipient being convicted of a serious crime that in some way dishonored his service. But not only has Golsteyn not been convicted of a crime—he hasn’t even been charged with one.

McHugh would not reveal to Hunter specifically why he was taking his action beyond submitting the innuendo that he was privy to “derogatory information” regarding Golsteyn’s record. What could this information be? Who knows? Having, according to Hunter, spent years threatening Golsteyn’s men, searching for and failing “to find one piece of evidence to corroborate the allegation” that launched the investigation, the Army clearly decided to punish Golsteyn anyway, through publicly dishonoring him in a manner that allows him effectively no recourse or due process.
 It is remarkable that the US military can still find anyone willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief.

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Anonymous Mike M. February 09, 2015 4:13 PM  

"It is remarkable that the US military can still find anyone willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief."

Both Bushes were considered class acts. You might question W's wisdom, but not his character. Obama has been six long years of degradation, humiliation, and defeat. He's been making Carter look good.

About the only thing keeping morale up is the hope of another Reagan.

Anonymous fish February 09, 2015 4:24 PM  

About the only thing keeping morale up is the hope of another Reagan.

Don't hold your breath.....

Blogger Krul February 09, 2015 4:24 PM  

Reminds me of General McChrystal. He was commander of US Forces Afghanistan until Obama fired him, apparently over this Rolling Stone article, of all things.

The next general will be fired over an article from Highlights magazine, no doubt.

OpenID trunthepaige February 09, 2015 4:25 PM  

They are losing them fast. The men serving are far from unaware. The Bush years were well run in the military and he did not throw his men under the bus intentionally. Bush had a mistaken but honest belief in the war and showed every sign of caring for his men. It took a while before it became clear that the entire war might be a bad idea. Add Obama running the same wars in a half baked fashion while showing zero support for his men ... Hell Obama looks to not personally believe in the wars, but he sends men to die in them anyway. Word is out, if the military were not lowering manpower right now they would be in a world of hurt. The quality and number of men who want to serve has dropped. All while jobs are hard to get in the civilian world. This is what I hear from two close members of my family. An Air Force intelligence officer and a one Marine Captain. Both planed on being lifers and are now looking at other options

Blogger Salt February 09, 2015 4:26 PM  

Trolling the White House. Priceless.

Anonymous Stickwick February 09, 2015 4:42 PM  

It is remarkable that the US military can still find anyone willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief.

I'm starting to wonder if that isn't the point, at least with the current administration.

Anonymous Susan February 09, 2015 4:43 PM  

Trun,

Add to your comment that Obama has been quietly purging all the decent officers of leadership rank up to and including generals, and we have the making of a disaster of possibly historic proportions in our military. For what reason though, has yet to be ascertained.
Good thing is, as long as the government doesn't invent bogus charges to "confine" the officers, they will be available to our side of any up coming battle. Lots of folks out there would gladly join the fray, but most would most likely need some basic training.

Anonymous kfg February 09, 2015 4:53 PM  

"For what reason though, has yet to be ascertained."

The most obvious reason for weakening the military is to have a weak military.

" . . . any up coming battle."

There ya go.

Blogger dw February 09, 2015 4:58 PM  

Cant have the next big war being too easy now, can we.

Anonymous kfg February 09, 2015 5:02 PM  

That's certainly one way of lookin' at it.

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2015 5:03 PM  

Stickwick February 09, 2015 4:42 PM
I'm starting to wonder if that isn't the point



why wouldn't you think that?

remember when i said that it appeared that Obama was front running Putin vis-a-vis Ukraine? that it appeared that every 'action' that Obama was taking was carefully calibrated to give Putin pretext to escalate 'responses' while never actually, you know, doing anything constructive to impede Russia?

i mean, Obama has now gotten the geo-political framework to the point where France and Germany are making direct overtures to Putin and Cyprus has allowed the Rus to open a base less than 40 miles from a Nato base.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-09/caption-contest-isolated-russia-edition

that's frickin genius if he's doing this on accident.


also, we got another 'suicided' banksta:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-09/another-jpmorgan-banker-dies-after-murder-suicide-chokes-wife-stabs-himself-death

Blogger Res Ipsa February 09, 2015 5:07 PM  

As far as Obama is concerned butt sex is the most important topic in the modern military. Gender equality is a close second. Actually fighting and winning wars is a inconvenience because it interferes with social engineering.

Blogger Student in Blue February 09, 2015 5:09 PM  

Honestly, what I take away from all of this is that the bigger the bureaucracy, the easier it is to subvert rules to your own liking if you're in power. At some point of size in a bureaucracy, it can function as a tyranny but able to avoid being recognized as a tyranny.

Blogger Myles February 09, 2015 5:10 PM  

The US Military is the Department of Motor Vehicles in camoflouge.

Like seemingly everywhere else, people with attitudes tuned to manouvering, politicking and ass-kissing are the ones in leadership positions because the people who want to do their jobs arent willing to put up with that bullshit.

That's why we live in "pre-heat your oven to 350" Texas and icebox Alaska while the commies live in pleasant California.

Blogger Salt February 09, 2015 5:11 PM  

remember when i said that it appeared that Obama was front running Putin vis-a-vis Ukraine?

Time for this again. Operation: Hot Mic

Blogger Raggededge February 09, 2015 5:11 PM  

Where are Golsteyn's superior officers and why aren't they standing up for him?

Anonymous TLM February 09, 2015 5:16 PM  

...It is remarkable that the US military can still find white middle-class males willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief...

Fixed it for you.

But seriously, what is there left to 'fight' for in this country?

I grew tired of my service commitment after 3 years (Unfortunately I still had 1 year left) with all the PC non-sense and racial molly-coddling. And that was back in the late 80's early 90's! I can only imagine how unbearable that climate is now.

Blogger Marissa February 09, 2015 5:19 PM  

Where are Golsteyn's superior officers and why aren't they standing up for him?


Because they want to retain the possibility of their own promotions?

I have heard the most outrageous stories from Army infantrymen. The Army is just broken. It makes you realize the collapse won't be so bad when the unfire-able black female sergeants are leading the next war.

The other day my husband told me a story of a squad leader -- a staff sergeant -- who would not bring his weapon along on missions, not even a pistol. Superiors did nothing.

The Army is mostly a joke.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 09, 2015 5:22 PM  

Holy shit!

I'd never even heard of something like this happening short of a Court Martial.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 09, 2015 5:23 PM  

Of course I've seen good men go to the wall for bad mistakes in politics but the valor awards are supposed to be sacred short of proof they weren't earned in the first place.

Anonymous kfg February 09, 2015 5:31 PM  

" . . . what is there left to 'fight' for in this country?"

As long as you're still here, the ground you're standing on.

Anonymous Anonymous February 09, 2015 5:55 PM  

I would think that the people who intelligently choose to serve do so in spite of the current administration. Although there are plenty that join just to be seen as a bad ass and get pussy.
Jake

Blogger dw February 09, 2015 5:58 PM  

Whats left to fight for? Only the future and the peace of our descendants.

Anonymous Noah B. February 09, 2015 6:01 PM  

It's just as well, really. Uncle Sam has no honor left to bestow.

Blogger Nathan February 09, 2015 6:08 PM  

This might explain that "apropos of nothing, we can take your awards" MILPER message from last month. Awful.

Anonymous Beau February 09, 2015 6:14 PM  

OT

I'd like to report that after what seems like an eternity, the tone of the rehab I'm working at is taking a decidedly spiritual turn. This past week via prayer a man was delivered from some particularly nasty nocturnal presence that spoke in Japanese, growled, and acted out lewd sex acts. It terrified the men in the dorm; but left peacefully after the man surrendered to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now some men on their own initiative have come forward to form a daily early morning prayer group. And yesterday before church, it was pouring buckets while we served the homeless. Yet despite the cold and wet, we all together had a great time serving and being served. Thank you Jesus.

Anonymous halibetlector February 09, 2015 6:16 PM  

OT: there's something fishy going on in redditland. https://archive.today/yBjys

Blogger Marissa February 09, 2015 6:22 PM  

This woman got an Army Commendation medal for ratting out some people on the internet

Blogger bob k. mando February 09, 2015 6:28 PM  

here's some editorial journalism malfeasance, from the Cenk Uygyur at the Young Turks. notice how at the beginning, he characterizes the 'victim' as thoroughly thrashing the initial assailant and then, less than 5 minutes later is talking about how he 'knew' that the vic was going to get his ass kicked and how he was fail from the opening punches because 'karate kick'.

http://youtu.be/uhmOzhPRxQs?t=1m45s

http://youtu.be/uhmOzhPRxQs?t=6m45s

what you're watching there is rabbit reprogramming on the fly.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 09, 2015 6:38 PM  

" '. . . what is there left to 'fight' for in this country?'

As long as you're still here, the ground you're standing on."


The last time an American army fought to defend their homes, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war.

Anonymous Smedley Butler February 09, 2015 6:38 PM  

It would be best if they all refused to serve as the spear point of Global Usury and Finance and Oneness. It has nothing to do with political parties.

Anonymous Dan in Tx February 09, 2015 6:39 PM  

"The last time an American army fought to defend their homes, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war."

HEAR HEAR!

Anonymous jack February 09, 2015 6:43 PM  

Susan: you asked why do this to the military. Obama IS a muslim and he is actively working to enhance the chances of the new caliphate. Anyone should be able to see this. I suspect he is working with Putin as his accomplice outright or on his own with the hope Russia will do in the USA and then the muslims will take care of Russia.

Its amasing what our so called elected, honorable, legislatures in Washington have let happen and are complicit with. I've no doubt these times are the most dangerous America has ever faced.

Anonymous Clay February 09, 2015 6:58 PM  

Good for you, Beau. And God Bless all of us.

Anonymous kfg February 09, 2015 7:09 PM  

"The last time an American army fought to defend their homes . . ."

I wasn't speaking of armies, but I advise you to do as your ancestors did; find a piece of ground to stand on that would make a good place to die, it will necessarily be a place worth fighting for.

Manassas is some beautiful country.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 09, 2015 7:22 PM  

Oh my God.

The Army has something called Human Resources Command??!?!?!

Does the MOS come with a Catbert badge?

Does the Marine Corps have one? He says in small frightened voice.

Anonymous Random February 09, 2015 7:34 PM  

There are at least two separate issues at work here. The primary is of course the reprisive nature of this action, intended as warning /open threat to remaining servicemen of integrity that they will not be allowed to vocally express their frustration with incompetent leadership, whether civilian or star-bearing. Secondly, it is a shaping measure that when taken in conjunction with award/rating inflation, especially crap like the above-linked SJW award, is intended to encourage leftist-supported seditious behavior while discouraging actual soldiery and actual (masculine) leadership. Basic carrot/stick - they want more of what they award, less of what they punish, and since our current masters are generally resistant to reality, the fulfillment of their desires has been incredibly damaging to all 5 branches over the time of my enlistment.

OpenID taqiyyologist February 09, 2015 7:44 PM  

Awesome, Beau.

Anonymous Discard February 09, 2015 7:45 PM  

I recall reading how the 19th Century British thought that always having a little war going on someplace around the Empire was good training, that a little bloodshed made recruits into veterans.

We want these veterans to be our people, not theirs. The value of serving today is to learn how to fight, and to deny that opportunity to our opponents.

Anonymous Stonewall February 09, 2015 7:47 PM  

Manassas is some beautiful country.L

I appreciate the romance and the sentiment. Been there, done that.
Hell, Appomattox and Pittsburgh Landing/Shiloh and Vicksburg are beautiful.
See where this is heading?

Blogger Matamoros February 09, 2015 8:48 PM  

Dan in TX: "The last time an American army fought to defend their homes, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war."

And they got 300,000 of the Yanks before getting snowed under.

Listen to the song, "I'm a good old Rebel" sometime.

Southerners remain the best soldiers in the Army.

Anonymous Tar Heel February 09, 2015 8:48 PM  

That's excellent news, Beau. Praise King Jesus!

Blogger Bard February 09, 2015 9:02 PM  

VD,
Off topic. Do you receive any benefit from downloading your books directly from the Castilia website? I was in a hurry to catch a plane Friday and downloaded 5 from Kindle. Wright's "Awake in the Night Land was pretty damn awesome".

Anonymous A Visitor February 09, 2015 9:17 PM  

I read about that the other day. That is disgusting. The man deserves his Silver Star and hopefully whomever is after Dear Leader will reinstate it.

" It is remarkable that the US military can still find anyone willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief."

Mike M was spot on. W's wisdom may be questionable but his character was not. I actually was seriously throwing around the idea of joining a few weeks back. Medical disqualifiers aside, a friend who did a year in Afghanistan under Dear Leader snapped me out of it. I also forgot about all I saw working on a military base in the southwest U.S. as a contractor: SHARP, women in frontline combat units, repeal of DADT.

@Trun sorry to hear about your family members. That really sucks.

"I'm starting to wonder if that isn't the point, at least with the current administration."

It probably is.

@Susan

You have to love how the media is saying the military has too many flag rank officers and that this is simply a natural course of action. Most people don't even bat an eye.

"I have heard the most outrageous stories from Army infantrymen. The Army is just broken."

It's truly frightening some of the stuff I saw two years ago. How the hell we win wars, as a nation, is beyond me. That same friend who did a year in Afghanistan basically said, with regards to Afghanistan, it's the stone age vs. the space age. Heaven forbid we ever get in a fight with a serious adversary like China or Russia.

"The Army has something called Human Resources Command??!?!?!

Does the MOS come with a Catbert badge?"

Thanks for the Monday night LOL!

"Manassas is some beautiful country"

As is the Hill Country in Texas and my current undisclosed location in the Midwest

Blogger Bobo February 09, 2015 9:18 PM  

" As long as you're still here, the ground you're standing on."

Gone.
As I ceaselessly tell my kids, one of the most important skills to acquire in life is to recognize a no-win situation. Know when to cut your losses.
I learned it the hard way as a young derivatives trader.
The United State (tm) is done, math and casual observation says so.
My advice to all is try to slip out quietly without getting hurt or drawing attention.

Anonymous kfg February 09, 2015 9:33 PM  

Bobo - Not an unwise position, that's why I began with the conditional.

Blogger Josh February 09, 2015 9:38 PM  

God bless you, beau.

Blogger ray February 09, 2015 10:15 PM  

'I grew tired of my service commitment after 3 years (Unfortunately I still had 1 year left) with all the PC non-sense and racial molly-coddling. And that was back in the late 80's early 90's! I can only imagine how unbearable that climate is now.'


Worse. Obviously. Pre-LE white guys still enlist. Them and the duped. A few lifers.

Feminism hadn't yet taken over in the early seventies, when I was in. WAFs got special treatment, of course, but by no means the current Full Grovel. They were expected to perform their jobs.

I was (unwillingly) NCOIC of my unit for a while. Two black doods on the crew. One did the basic job, the other slept in the noncom office during night shift. The booted his ass out after a year, dishonorable. Couldn't happen today I don't think.

Blogger SirThermite February 09, 2015 10:32 PM  

Read this the other day and it disturbed me. Whether official recognition is received for charging a hill under enemy fire or winning a sports championship, the notion that the merit for a specific action can be arbitrarily stripped from a man and stricken from the record books....is nothing less than Orwellian. Unless it can be proven that the recipient cheated to earn an award or recognition, then his accomplishment is a part of history, and any official who says otherwise is a liar and a false witness.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) February 10, 2015 1:15 AM  

101st Airborne Division Vietnam 70-71
Don't hate the player,
Hate the game.

The time has come for us American Veterans to throw are worthless medals into the ash heap of time.
DannyR

Anonymous Homesteader February 10, 2015 1:54 AM  

Wait. That which is unsustainable, collapses.

This is not sustainable.

Get dirt. Cultivate it. Find a worthy woman. Have two or more kids. Seek out community. Assume no food, gas, water, electric, meds or ammo for 30 days. Get skills.

Our enemies are doing our work for us. They geld men, then bid them to be fruitful.

A demoralized, impotent military is a GOOD thing when tyrants rule.

Anonymous kfg February 10, 2015 2:29 AM  

"Get dirt. Cultivate it."

Get a cow and some chickens or expect to starve.

"Find a worthy woman."

That's going to be a damned sight harder to find than a worthy cow.

"Seek out community."

Which will be hard to find if you have enough land. That's why the county fair was born. You got to find community - once a year.

"Assume no food, gas, water, electric, meds or ammo for 30 days. "

Ahhhhhhhh, reminds me of home.

"A demoralized, impotent military is a GOOD thing when tyrants rule."

Has anyone out there got a handle on the strength and morale of the brown shirts?

Blogger Owen February 10, 2015 8:12 AM  

A demoralized, impotent military is a GOOD thing when tyrants rule.

It's not like they've armed and militarized the police or anything.

OpenID genericviews February 10, 2015 8:18 AM  

When I was gearing up to go to Iraq in 2009, I met my team for teh first time and the thing that was top on their list to know was, "whose side was I on". They needed to know if we got into a shooting situation, was I going to have their backs as commander or was I going to prosecute them. These were all decent guys, not sadistic psycopaths but they were genuinely worried that they were going to be crushed by the system.

Blogger JohnG February 10, 2015 9:52 AM  

It's not uncommon. The Army is people. 50% Army Captains leave at the first opportunity (4 - 5 years) due better offers or disillusionment. A lot leave at Major and a lot leave in the Colonel ranks - it all extremely political at Colonel and above. You see these 4-star jerks that get out and say, "I thought that was screwed up policy in the Army" but never said anything while they were in. Anyway, yes, this was typical petty Army bullsh*t.

Anonymous Mike43 February 10, 2015 10:01 AM  

The other day my husband told me a story of a squad leader -- a staff sergeant -- who would not bring his weapon along on missions, not even a pistol. Superiors did nothing."

Obviously, a serious lack of cojones. Any NCO will tell you that a weapon is part of his uniform. No weapon, you're out of uniform. A UCMJ offense. Put the idiot up for an Article 15, take a third of his pay for every incident. He'll decide whether or not to go out armed.

Or make sure he walks point for the entire tour.
"

Anonymous Anubis February 10, 2015 10:36 AM  

"A demoralized, impotent military is a GOOD thing when tyrants rule."

What was the good catchphrase from a couple of weeks ago about the military fighting for single moms , welfare and puppies? I remember it was good but I forgot it.

Anonymous rienzi February 10, 2015 10:37 AM  

Marissa's link to the story of the chick sergeant who got a commendation medal for ratting out her comrade's doubleplus ungood internet posts.

I found this to be unbelievably appalling. What a #$%&@* c*unt. Garbage like this got "fragged" in Viet Nam, or, on warships of the period, would quietly disappear over the side in the middle of the night.

Blogger Mekadave February 10, 2015 11:11 AM  

Saw this updated story about Golsteyn this morning:

http://freebeacon.com/blog/breaking-army-starts-proceedings-to-kick-golsteyn-out-of-military/

Anonymous rienzi February 10, 2015 11:11 AM  

Benedict Arnold got shot in the leg at Saratoga to the point where blood poured out of the top of his boot. A memorial was erected to commemorate the event. It was never taken down, and is there to this day.

The Germans have never revoked Adolf Hitler's Iron Cross, won for bravery in the trenches of WW1.

Those awards, at least, were EARNED.

What ought to be publicly revoked is a certain totally unearned Nobel Peace Prize.

Anonymous Donn February 10, 2015 11:50 AM  

The NPP was an embarrassment and Obama should have declined. He was given it for being socialist and black. Not for any accomplishment.

Blogger Marissa February 10, 2015 1:30 PM  

A demoralized, impotent military is a GOOD thing when tyrants rule.

It's not like they've armed and militarized the police or anything.


This is true but the police are also engaged in similar affirmative action tactics. Think about it - the infantry (and their combat support) is still mostly white and nearly all male. The police force is significantly different by race and sex. Now the former couldn't get a handle on Iraq or Afghanistan (I blame a lot of factors and quality of soldier is pretty far down on the list). How will the police force, which is partly combat veteran but also severely overweight, handle an armed populace of other combat veterans and a significantly smarter population?

Bear in mind, and I mean this in a non-abusive way, most Iraqis and Afghanis are retarded. Millenial silliness doesn't even begin to plumb the depths of such idiocy. I can't even call it idiocy; it's more like extreme ignorance of reality.

Imagine a civil war breaking out and martial law starts making urban centers a very scary place, similar to the scariness of deployment. What do a whole lot of military women do when they're deployed? Go get knocked up by some jackwagon at a bar, get out of the deployment, and God forbid, get an abortion once they're out of their deployment. My husband reminisces that there were so many women who got knocked up before deployment in one brigade that the brigade formed a rear-detachment company (about 100 women) for all of them.

Blogger Akulkis February 10, 2015 3:10 PM  

"'I would think that the people who intelligently choose to serve do so in spite of the current administration."

That would be me, and many others.
I would retire, but I sure as hell don't want the current signer's signrature on my retirement letter. I'd rather die.

Anonymous SgThomas February 10, 2015 3:21 PM  

" It is remarkable that the US military can still find anyone willing to serve under the recent Commanders-in-Chief"

They are lining up. Obama has been the president who has practiced the most judicious and effective use of the U.S. Military in 25 years. The folks that don't like him in the military ranks are the ones that think we have something to learn from Vietnam. Obama has been fighting the current and next war since he took office.

You should burn your play book.

Blogger Marissa February 10, 2015 3:22 PM  

The folks that don't like him in the military ranks are the ones that think we have something to learn from Vietnam.

Those that do like him in the military ranks are likely POGs.

Blogger Akulkis February 10, 2015 5:42 PM  

@Marissa

TRVTH!

Anonymous Discard February 11, 2015 12:36 AM  

POGs?

Anonymous Discard February 11, 2015 12:57 AM  

OK, I looked it up. I didn't think something so obscure could be easily found, but there it was. A more exclusive pejorative than Vietnam's REMF (Rear Echelon Mother Fucker). In my father's day, the combat engineers were well regarded by the infantry, but that was 2G war by both sides. Clearing mines and blasting bunkers by hand and under fire was man's work. Medics and forward observers for the artillery were also part of the brotherhood. Are those guys still up front nowadays?

Blogger Marissa February 11, 2015 9:17 AM  

Discard, yes. Combat support are respected, based on those infantrymen I've spoken with. They are in danger and doing things that keep infantrymen safe. To those who didn't look it up, POG means Personnel Other than Grunt, said "pogue".

Generation Kill has good examples of the contempt which "boots on the ground" have for everyone else (and the contempt everyone has for them).

Blogger Ken Prescott February 11, 2015 3:30 PM  

Interesting note on this mess: I have looked--HARD--for details about the alleged (purpoerted?) ROE violation.

You have a better chance of find a copy of Colonel Sanders' actual original recipe AND the formula for Coca-Cola than any narrative of what happened.

Which leads me to believe that said ROE violation never actually happened.

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