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Saturday, February 14, 2015

The tedious Thor

It would have been vastly more entertaining had Thor come out of the closet. The Fabulous Thor! His outfit was always a little camp anyhow. Turning him into a grim transgendered feminist fighting to impose equalitarian thought control is as boring as it is offensive:
Thor a woman? It’s hard to believe the most macho, overtly masculine character in the comic canon could possibly be reimagined as a broad. But that’s almost certainly precisely the reason Thor was chosen: as a fuck-you to so-called nerdbros from the achingly progressive staff of today’s comic book establishment.

This has led to some questions from comic book fans. Questions such as: will Wonder Woman turn out to be a tranny? Is the Incredible Hulk only incredible because he endured cruel fat-shaming as a teen but didn’t let his size define him? And shouldn’t Spider-Man be a gay latino?

That last one’s not a joke, by the way: in 2011, Marvel unveiled a bisexual Spider-Man that was half-black and half-latino, called Miles Morales, to the consternation and confusion of ordinary comic book fans, as part of its Ultimate series of character reboots. We’re told “erasure,” whereby people’s pasts are scrubbed out by those in authority, is a social justice issue. Well, right now there’s erasure going in the basic, canonical biographies of some of Marvel’s most cherished superheroes.

Captain America, too, is changing: he’s becoming black. Changes like this are designed to provoke readers, and they do–not because readers are racist or sexist, but because they understand that certain characteristics are intrinsic to certain characters. James Bond and Captain America are obviously white. It is a part of their personalities. Thor is obviously a man; to suggest otherwise is daft.

What sticks in the craw of the fans I’ve spoken to about female Thor is how utterly transparent the political posturing is behind the change. There is no good literary justification for making Thor a woman, they say–and the results have been execrable. You can write intelligent satire about masculinity without making a classic masculine icon into a girl, an observation that seems to have escaped Marvel’s writers.
Of course, what all of these transformations most strongly indicate is the fact that Marvel believes women and minorities to be totally uninteresting. Not only does it highlight the fact that women and minorities can't create their own characters, but even pro-intersectional white men can't manage to create them in a manner that interests anyone, least of all women and minorities.

It's exactly the same thing as a communist government taking over a capitalist society. They don't understand how it works or why it works, they can't create it or maintain it, but they can certainly manage to run it into the ground.

This comment from the SJWs at IGN is hilariously inapt:

“Not only do these scenes subtly acknowledge and render inert the concerns voiced by real life detractors, but they also paint the character in a stronger, more resilient light.”
IGN


Subtle? The only way Marvel could have handled it any less subtly was if Thor spent the entire issue reading The Vagina Monologues with Gloria Steinhem at Wellesley.

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Anonymous Anubis February 14, 2015 3:30 PM  

Instead of Thor's hammer transforming into a cane for its human wielder, it now turns into a tampon

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 3:38 PM  

Comic fans are typically liberal, feminine, poorly educated, and untalented. The best of these losers go on to work for comic companies, and thats why we have the terrible comics we have.


99.9% of comics are horribly written and horribly drawn. Grant Morrison understands theyre ridiculous and meant to be fun so hes really the only one who writes interesting stories.

Darwyn cooke has talked about how pathetic the creators are, inserting gay sex and rape in a medium initially created for kids.

Anonymous Rapid Offensive Unit February 14, 2015 3:39 PM  

Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Leftist art is the same as leftist economy - they can only steal other people's creations and pervert them, they cannot create anything.

I'm not sure if they really want female superhero but don't know how to make one or they just want to destroy male superheroes out of spite.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner February 14, 2015 3:41 PM  

Yeah, BUTT, she(it) kinda has a nice arse, a bit flat, needs to do some squats, but hey it's the Patriarchy...

http://i.imgur.com/kDoMPOz.jpg

Blogger D. Lane February 14, 2015 3:42 PM  

I'm not sure if they really want female superhero but don't know how to make one or they just want to destroy male superheroes out of spite.

Both.

Blogger IM2L844 February 14, 2015 3:43 PM  

Well, I guess this is what you do if you can't imagine an original female, black or Latino character with the desired attributes from the ground up.

Anonymous Leonidas February 14, 2015 3:51 PM  

There is no good literary justification for making Thor a woman, they say–and the results have been execrable.

The exception that proves the rule:

Casting Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury was a work of genius. Yes, it changes the character - but given that the original was a Colonel from World War II and they chose to set the movies in the modern era, he always had to change a little. And for the character, changing him to a black man really wasn't a big change - and Sam Jackson was a fantastic actor choice for the part. So it worked. Not because, "hey let's make him black." But because Sam Jackson.

But the thing is, this really just serves to illustrate how special a case that was.

Blogger MidKnight February 14, 2015 3:54 PM  

Yah. Listening to them spin absurd tales to explain why a panel was wasted to show the inscription on Mjolnir transforming - completely unnecessary except to make a "screw you" point, even if you actually had a "good" reason why Thor should be female - is simply sad.

Why was it necessary?

Because she's a woman.

But the inscription would work either way.

But it helped the reveal that Thor had changed!

Didn't the manicured fingernails on the haft already do that? Why'd the inscription have to change when it already worked as is, even for a woman, when that space could have been used to tell the story?

But she's a woman, and patriarchy!

----

Ergo, the point WAS that she's a woman, and that is the story. And thus, there is no more interesting story.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

Usually I read this site for more intellectual matters, but recently have found myself looking forward to the next wtf moment that I missed in the news being highlighted.

I honestly have trouble accepting this one is real and not parody. Mind sufficiently boggled.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 4:07 PM  

IM2L844: "Well, I guess this is what you do if you can't imagine an original female, black or Latino character with the desired attributes from the ground up."

They also can't maintain established second-string super-heroines like the Scarlet Witch or Power Girl without gradually grinding them into the ground.

Anonymous Krul February 14, 2015 4:08 PM  

It's a shame there's no #comicgate to go along with #gamergate. Comics and games have a similar nerd pedigree, both having begun as the enthusiastic hobby of mostly male, mostly white social outcasts that then grew to overtake the mainstream culture.

It could be because the comic industry is older and has been the focus of mainstream attention for longer. Why, Batman has been a popular cultural icon since the '40s, and Superman has been since the '50s.

At this point, comics are more a part of "the establishment" than games.

Anonymous Stilicho February 14, 2015 4:09 PM  

Less subtle perhaps, but it behooves one to remember that the left has deemed the vagina monologues insufficiently sensitive towards women without vaginas, so one must ask: has Thor gone under the knife or is he just freebasing estrogen?

Anonymous Steve February 14, 2015 4:12 PM  

Titus Didius Tacitus - I like Power Girl.

Helen Slater's portrayal of Supergirl was also very memorable.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 4:16 PM  

Stilicho: "...has Thor gone under the knife or is he just freebasing estrogen?"

Male / inferior Thor got his arm cut off in a not-at-all subtly symbolic move. This was after being found unworthy by the hammer, and trying to fight giants with an ax instead. Then superior female Thor came along, took the hammer, the strength, the powers (and more) and the name -- and as obsolete male Thor complained, his typical lines too.

Anonymous sawtooth February 14, 2015 4:18 PM  

Oh well, let the loony lefties have Thor.

They can also take the Super, Spider, Iron, Aqua, and Bat Men.

But they had better leave Bible Man alone, otherwise there is going to be some holy kicking of ass going on.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 4:19 PM  

Steve: "Titus Didius Tacitus - I like Power Girl."

"Second string" was not meant as an insult.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus February 14, 2015 4:21 PM  

sawtooth: "But they had better leave Bible Man alone, otherwise there is going to be some holy kicking of ass going on."

Never see Super.

Anonymous Lazybug February 14, 2015 4:28 PM  

They could have taking a leaf from actual Thor myth, where he disguises himself as a women to retrieve Mjollnir. Insert modern Loki for the disguise and they could have made a hilarious run of comics / movie. but that would require reading the actual myth, and having a sense of humor.

Blogger Hound February 14, 2015 4:28 PM  

I miss Intergalactic Space Horse Alien Thor.

Anonymous Colorado Confederate February 14, 2015 4:29 PM  

Iconic images of Western manhood are being perverted, from the cowboy [Brokeback Mountain] to the kissy-face Marine boyfriends, and now Thor.

One shudders to consider what the SJW revolutionaries will think up next. They cannot sleep until they have corrupted something [Psalm 36:4].

Anonymous Discard February 14, 2015 4:33 PM  

If "Dr" Martin Luther King can be a hero, and the Hollywood Ten Communists can be heroes, why can't Thor be a woman? It's all part of the same war.

Anonymous roo_ster February 14, 2015 4:34 PM  

Wait, the panels at the source linky are not bad parodies of femi-thor drawn by opponents of the idea of femi-thor to show how awful the concept might be? Oh, dear.

They are nuts if they think to get any sales out of that trash. The awfulness rivals a circus geek eating a live trout while trying to recite Marc Antony's speech from Julius Caesar.

Anonymous Roundtine February 14, 2015 4:40 PM  

What happened to My Little Pony and She-Ra

Anonymous Independent bahh bahhh Thinker bahhh bahh February 14, 2015 4:42 PM  

Straight good, Gay better!

Blogger Geoff February 14, 2015 4:58 PM  

My two favorite female comic book characters are Martha Kent and Aunt May Parker.

Those Moms raised their boys right.

Anonymous p-dawg February 14, 2015 5:00 PM  

Every time I hear a woman talking about how strong she is, if possible, I ask her to carry something heavy for me. It rarely gets done. I don't think any of them has yet made the connection.

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 5:05 PM  

There was a time when whacky alternate universe stories were only published in the "What If?!?!?" series.

And for the record, Thor hasnt been transformed into a woman. For whatever reason, he was no longer worthy of Mjolnir so some slut went over and picked it up, gaining the powers of Thor, as is inscribed on his hammer.

Anonymous Northern Observer February 14, 2015 5:06 PM  

"Marvel unveiled a bisexual Spider-Man that was half-black and half-latino, called Miles Morales"

Is that true? I'd heard about the blatino part, but the bisexual part was news to me. It's like a self parody - the elusive 'black, hispanic quadriplegic lesbian' come to life.


Anonymous Red Comet February 14, 2015 5:09 PM  

Don't read too much into Thor becoming a woman or Captain America becoming black. While the writers and editors do generally have political messages they like to push, these two instances are typical recasting stunts done to boost sales of super-hero comics.

Hell, back in the 80s they temporarily replaced Thor with a horse alien and Cap with a Republican from Georgia (a shocking move only to the New York liberals who were on Marvel's staff back then).

The major companies have been doing this same thing for decades and after the sales bump wears off they'll bring the originals back for another sales bump. It's basically Coke and New Coke except over and over again forever.

A more blatant case of non-stunt agenda pushing is the new Muzzie Ms. Marvel, a political statement that those Muslim immigrants here to demographically replace you are a-okay and just like you and me.

Anonymous Scintan February 14, 2015 5:13 PM  

I've never been a fan of DC comics, so the idiocy of 500 different Robins, or Superman dying, or the like, was never a problem for me. When I was growing up, Spiderman and Thor were my two favorite comics, and it was mostly more esoteric characters that I preferred beyond that. Having to watch them be ruined over the course of time has been a disappointment to me. The good news is that it's also meant that I had more money in my pocket, since I stopped buying the comics.

I'm now waiting for Disney to really screw up the movie versions of Marvel's superheroes, since Joss Whedon hasn't been able to accomplish that yet. That'll probably end up saving me a couple of hundred bucks a year.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 February 14, 2015 5:15 PM  

Movie Thor remains unabashedly masculine.

(Hopefully I managed to post this in the right thread this time)

Anonymous Scintan February 14, 2015 5:18 PM  

And for the record, Thor hasnt been transformed into a woman. For whatever reason, he was no longer worthy of Mjolnir so some slut went over and picked it up, gaining the powers of Thor, as is inscribed on his hammer.

Thor is a god, not a goddess. He's derived from a specific mythology, where he is also a god, not a goddess. It doesn't matter how you justify giving "him" tits and a vagina. It's still ruining the character. Marvel went full retard.

Anonymous Krul February 14, 2015 5:21 PM  

All this talk of black Captain America makes me want to see a Blaxploitation version of the same.

Also... Thor, Captain America, Spiderman, Miss Marvel. Where's DC in all this?

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 14, 2015 5:26 PM  

Harlan Ellison wrote: (there are) "five native American art forms that we've given to the world: Jazz, of course. Musical comedy as we know it today. The detective story as crafted by Poe. The banjo. And comic books.

Four of them have been ruined by progressives. They haven't figured out how to wreck the banjo yet but I'm certain they are feverishly working on the problem.

There are two things that you have to understand about the modern comic book field.

1. It doesn't have to make money so it does not.

2. The audience consists entirely of Gen X and older. Millennials never caught the bug.

There was a brief bubble in the mid eighties and another one in the mid nineties. Otherwise, the industry is run at a loss but it is a small and predictable loss. Marvel and DC are owned by huge companies where comic book losses are basically a rounding error. The only reason they are still being published is to exercise copyright and trademark.

It doesn't matter if comic books writers actually write anything worth reading. They are going to get paid regardless because their bosses don't care what they do.

They don't have to perform or accomplish anything.

Other than perhaps to impress each other.

SJW paradise.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 February 14, 2015 5:27 PM  

@Krul-- Batman was in a wheelchair for a while.

Blogger James Dixon February 14, 2015 5:28 PM  

> Not only does it highlight the fact that women and minorities can't create their own characters, but even pro-intersectional white men can't manage to create them in a manner that interests anyone, least of all women and minorities.

T'Challa and Jericho Drumm aside, I'd have a hard time arguing with that.

Do I really need to point out that this has all happened since Disney took over Marvel?

Anonymous Krul February 14, 2015 5:29 PM  

Scintan - Thor is a god, not a goddess. He's derived from a specific mythology, where he is also a god, not a goddess.

Funnily enough, it would have been truer to the character if they had Thor (the real one) cross dress and go undercover as a virginal bride.

I daresay it would have made a better comic, too. That story is genuinely funny, what with Loki having to hastily make up excuses to cover for the 'brides" suspicious behavior like out-eating and out-drinking all the men at the banquet.

Anonymous Scintan February 14, 2015 5:49 PM  

Funnily enough, it would have been truer to the character if they had Thor (the real one) cross dress and go undercover as a virginal bride.

I daresay it would have made a better comic, too. That story is genuinely funny, what with Loki having to hastily make up excuses to cover for the 'brides" suspicious behavior like out-eating and out-drinking all the men at the banquet.


Yes, and the fact that they could have gone in that sort of a direction, and chose otherwise, tells us all we really need to know about their intent and reasoning.

Anonymous Marvel Thorenders February 14, 2015 5:52 PM  

Mjolnir, now ribbed for her pleasure?

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 6:09 PM  

Im going to make realistic Punisher comics in which Punisher starts killing all the blacks commiting the vast majority of violent crime in NYC.

Much more interesting than the stand-in white guy with stubble, sleeveless denim vest and do rag.

Millenials read comics at the same rate as gen x losers. They just do it in a hipster, ironic fashion.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 14, 2015 6:22 PM  

"I'm not sure if they really want female superhero but don't know how to make one or they just want to destroy male superheroes out of spite"

Jealousy can be sated by stealing my big screen TV, Envy wants me to not be able to replace it after its stolen. If they wanted their own they could have made a Valkyrie magic girl, actually Envious Girl would be more realistic with the power to destroy nice things. If they really wanted to sell comic books to geeks they would have bisexual women supers.

"Marvel unveiled a bisexual Spider-Man that was half-black and half-latino, called Miles Morales"

Of all the heroes to turn gay they had to go with the one that shoots white sticky stuff all over NYC, that took real imagination. That's like rebranding Aquaman as SeaMan. Cant wait to see if Captain African American's arch rival is Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations MAN or The Klansman(power transform into Strom Thurmond). If they really wanted to be edgy they could make a Gay Punisher that stops blacks, illegal aliens & moslems from killing gays, his story could start with an illegal alien drunk driver killing his boyfriend. That would be a lot better than the anti gun gay soldier in Archie that needs a str8 civilian to save his life. The str8 white church going men Soros warned us about have been oddly absent from every gay bashing I know of, perhaps the law of large numbers hasn't caught up yet.

"One shudders to consider what the SJW revolutionaries will think up next. "

If you really want to know, there is talk about how unfair it is that the new buysexual Governor cant have both a husband & wife. Well actually feminists talked about wanting to have multiple wives early in the gay marriage debate, but that would just be more women not having sex in the lesbian death bed. Also I assume you have seen the common core approved NOH8 coloring books telling boys its ok to cross dress, despite that every tranny hopes to trick a str8 guy into falling in love with him and not be bothered that he is/was a guy.
Here you can see some of the coloring book here https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.633925179979514.1073741831.145318588840178&type=1

Blogger Duke of Earl February 14, 2015 6:31 PM  

"Marvel unveiled a bisexual Spider-Man that was half-black and half-latino, called Miles Morales"

Is that true? I'd heard about the blatino part, but the bisexual part was news to me. It's like a self parody - the elusive 'black, hispanic quadriplegic lesbian' come to life.


The bisexual part was incorrect, and Miles Morales (got to love those double letter names) as a character is not a bad idea, but then he's not mainstream Spiderman, he's the Spiderman in a world where their Peter Parker went down fighting evil like a good Spiderman should.

In his way he is to Spiderman what Steel was to Superman in Age of the Supermen.

However Lady Thor suffers from the problem that she doesn't have what it takes to be Thor. In the panels linked about she beats down Titania after Titania has surrendered, a dishonorable act that would instantly disqualify her from carrying the hammer. It's not having a female lead, it's not even having a female Thor, it's having a female Thor that doesn't understand the first thing about what it takes to be Thor.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 14, 2015 6:45 PM  

You really have to admire the audacity of a company whose sales depend heavily on White men to offend them by taking their characters and turning them into Social Justice Circle Jerks. Sure the demographic is old and their sales are declining due to the young being disenfranchised by blacks and Mexicans who can't read at all, but is this an admission that they're not even trying to stay in business. Sure they might make enough with films to keep this leaky boat from sinking, but what happens when this meme gets taken up by PC Hollyweird and drives that audience away? You just know they're thinking about it.

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 6:49 PM  

Unbunch your panties. Hardly anything about Marvel's Thor is true to the mythos.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 14, 2015 6:55 PM  

Why go to all this trouble? Just dress up a mirror in some tights.

New character's motto could be "I am You, and Everybody is America!"

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 14, 2015 6:59 PM  

Then (s)he/it could shoot Emmanuel Goldstein in the back of the head because he, for one, is not America.

I recently joked to a pro-amnesty coworker that we should just redefine the entire world as "America", so everybody could emigrate without even going anywhere.

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 7:01 PM  

I dont care about masked characters being portrayed by different people. Whats annoying is thr obvious agenda of the losers writing them. Its not a coincidence we characters suddenly turn gay, have aids, beat their wives and commit rape, while established characters' super identities are assumed by muslims, blacks, fags and dykes at this time.

And while the idea "Hey:Lets make Nick Fury Sam L Jackson!" may have seemed good in the comics, it hasnt played out well on screen. This Fury sucks. Fury is supposed to be a master spy. Not a slow moving old guy.

The new Fantastic Four movie cast the Human Torch as a black guy. Will he be sue storms adopted brotha??? Stupid. Laurence Fishburne as Perry White was stupid too. Khal Drogo is Aquaman, talking to the press about how cool it is Aquaman is Hawaiian. No one looks at that guy and thinks "Hawaiian". He identifies as Hawaiian despite being hardly Hawaiian. Colorful head dresses I guess trump their lack of impressive advances, to the shallow mind.

Anyway, comics and movies all suck, so whatever.

Anonymous Cold Hard Truth February 14, 2015 7:03 PM  

Comics have been cultural change agents from the start.

Blogger MATT February 14, 2015 7:04 PM  

I dont think its ever really been discussed what makes Thor worthy vs everyone else.

Maybe its requirements changed when the inscription changed to "If SHE be worthy.." and we all know how women like attacking men in their sleep.

Blogger Bard February 14, 2015 7:05 PM  

Beta Ray Bill(y) Jean. I hope sales tank and fewer fans go back when they reverse the decision

Anonymous Gx1080 February 14, 2015 7:11 PM  

Well, let's see:

* Marvel and DC are rotting corpses only good to hold IPs, I mean, the people that actually buy comics from them are a very small market.

* Everybody that pointed to the lack of creativity on the medium is correct. The last character created by either Marvel or DC that people actually gave a shit about is The Punisher. And that was on the 70's.

* Leftists seem to really hate when people dare to not be bitter, deranged zealots like them. The mere sight of someone actually having a life and putting time, effort and money on a hobby and not on The Cause is offensive to them.

Anonymous Scintan February 14, 2015 7:17 PM  

Unbunch your panties. Hardly anything about Marvel's Thor is true to the mythos.

I prefer that my characters not be ruined, be they in comics, television, movies or elsewhere. The fact that they are also screwing with the mythos just makes it more obnoxious.

Anonymous Discard February 14, 2015 7:31 PM  

Are there any comic books for racists and sexists? Like a man who has the super power to sniff out coal-burners and cause them to spontaneously combust? Or maybe something about the gallant Sturmbannfuerer Goldstein, the mischling determined to prove that Jews can be good Germans? How about SniperMan, out to eradicate the entire Federal judiciary? Or AlphaMan, who is a carrier of the dread disease Pussy Rot, who screws sluts and causes their entrails to fall out within a few days? Perhaps even AfroMan, who cuts the ears off Whites who insult his heritage by putting big holes in their ears without having earned the right by having sex with a rabid hyena?

Anonymous A. Nonymous February 14, 2015 7:35 PM  

T'Challa and Jericho Drumm aside, I'd have a hard time arguing with that.

What the hell is interesting about an undisguised Afrocentrist Black Power fantasy?

The bisexual part was incorrect, and Miles Morales (got to love those double letter names) as a character is not a bad idea, but then he's not mainstream Spiderman, he's the Spiderman in a world where their Peter Parker went down fighting evil like a good Spiderman should.

White heroes laying down their lives so that they can be replaced by diverse vibrants is not a meme that we should be making excuses for.

In his way he is to Spiderman what Steel was to Superman in Age of the Supermen.

A C-lister who owes his entire existence to ripping off the identity of a white man?

Blogger Cecil Henry February 14, 2015 7:49 PM  

All the SJW;s would call this cultural appropriation and genocide if the same thing were done to non-whites,

And that is exactly what this is an attempt to do, Erase white identity and culture-- because of course its superiority is thorn in the side of the resentful and envious.

Anonymous pseudotsuga February 14, 2015 7:52 PM  

"They haven't figured out how to wreck the banjo yet but I'm certain they are feverishly working on the problem."
It's too late, Cataline. The banjo has been corrupted since the mid-20th century.
Exhibit A: Pete Seeger.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 14, 2015 7:55 PM  

"Are there any comic books for racists and sexists? "

Those would be the arch rivals of Captain African-America, The Klansman(power turn into Strom Thurmond), Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations Man(catchphrase "No one expects you to be smart enough to get an ID"), & STR8 White Privilege MAN(power take money from saintly super-genius minorities, weakness unable to affect Asians). No doubt STR8 White Churchgoing Man will make appearances bashing gays only to be saved by Captain Black which seems to be an inversion of actual crime demographics.

Anonymous MrGreenMan February 14, 2015 7:57 PM  

@Roundtine

"What happened to My Little Pony and She-Ra?"

All episodes of She-Ra were released for free on the regular, non-pay Hulu. Same with He-Man.

Anonymous BigGaySteve February 14, 2015 7:59 PM  

Vox aren't you glad you don't live in Philly they are charging a licensing fee for bloggers.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/want-start-blog-philadelphia-youll-need-300-license/

Blogger Duke of Earl February 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

Let me guess, A. Nonymous has voted himself the resident Aryan?

Heroes dying and being replaced by other heroes is part of comic lore, most of the Ultimate universe has been killed off in one way or another. Even Wolverine has been replaced with Wolverine Jr (blonde haired, blue eyed, white guy). Steel was certainly the most principled, albeit the least powerful, of the four men who claimed the mantle of Superman. Man of Tomorrow was a killer, Cyborg Superman a traitor, Superboy was a jerk. Steel was a guy in a metal suit with a sledgehammer inspired by the legend of John Henry.

Sam Wilson taking up Captain America's shield for a while is neither here nor there. They've been friends in comic lore for many years and when Steve comes out of retirement Sam will become Falcon again.

Thor's "transformation" was overtly political and unjustifiable. The character lacks the nobility needed to be Thor.

Anonymous The Obvious February 14, 2015 8:47 PM  

"Let me guess, A. Nonymous has voted himself the resident Aryan?"

Godwin's law already? Come on.

When your culture heroes are being replaced by ethnic aliens, through a deliberate agenda to erase your history, it's damn acceptable to get mad.

Blogger mmaier2112 February 14, 2015 8:53 PM  

I second Duke of Earl RE: Sam Wilson as Cap. He should have become Cap years ago instead of retro-resurrecting Bucky. And now we have the films infected with that stupidity. (WHY didn't Bucky age????)

They also should have made Thor disappear instead of becoming unworthy.

The way so many "feminist" / PC writers (Joss Whedon!) must have male characters torn down to build girls up is pathetic. I swear these self-loathing pussies hate their own penises. I don't know what to call that syndrome but it sure seems there.

Blogger mmaier2112 February 14, 2015 8:54 PM  

@ Duke: you're wrong about Superboy, though. That was a fun book for years. And Tom Grummett's art was sheer awesome.

Anonymous A. Nonymous February 14, 2015 9:03 PM  

Let me guess, A. Nonymous has voted himself the resident Aryan?

Which would make you what in this little schema of yours, exactly? The resident subversive Jew?

Heroes dying and being replaced by other heroes is part of comic lore, most of the Ultimate universe has been killed off in one way or another. Even Wolverine has been replaced with Wolverine Jr (blonde haired, blue eyed, white guy). Steel was certainly the most principled, albeit the least powerful, of the four men who claimed the mantle of Superman. Man of Tomorrow was a killer, Cyborg Superman a traitor, Superboy was a jerk. Steel was a guy in a metal suit with a sledgehammer inspired by the legend of John Henry.

Sam Wilson taking up Captain America's shield for a while is neither here nor there. They've been friends in comic lore for many years and when Steve comes out of retirement Sam will become Falcon again.


Yeah, it's merely random and passing coincidence that the most worthy of Superman's erstwhile heirs is a black scientific/engineering genius, or that the physical embodiment of the putative American ideals is currently a black fourth-stringer (to say nothing of the future Captain America from that one story). Got any bridges in Brooklyn up for sale, by chance?

Thor's "transformation" was overtly political and unjustifiable. The character lacks the nobility needed to be Thor.

It's all overtly political and unjustifiable, dude. Even your example of Ultimate Wolverine is off-base, as the character's most significant rivalry is with tall, blond and psychotic Sabertooth.

Blogger wrf3 February 14, 2015 9:09 PM  

Gx1080 wrote: " The last character created by either Marvel or DC that people actually gave a shit about is The Punisher. And that was on the 70's."

No love for Deadpool, circa 1991?

Anonymous Crusader Corim February 14, 2015 9:12 PM  

I have 0 problem with Sam Wilson temporarily taking the mantle of Cap. Captain America is still Steve Rogers, still white, still your standard all-American good guy, but while he's temporarily out of action, having one of his closest friends take his place fits him pretty well.

However, those female Thor strips are 100% godawful. That's some of the worse writing I have ever seen.

Anonymous CK February 14, 2015 9:31 PM  

Da duh daaa! Make way for Self-Loathing Man! Self-Loathing Man through the sheer power of self-loathing has the power to change cultures, politicians are unable to resist Self_Loathing Man's power. Self-Loathing Man sports a neckbeard, hipster glasses and a Fedora, his blue skinsuit has a big green "P" on his chest for progressivetard. He pedals to crime scenes on his eco-friendly bicycle with a bamboo frame, stomping out White Male homophobia and bigotry wherever it shows it face.

Blogger mmaier2112 February 14, 2015 9:34 PM  

And the Thordis art is total shite too, but that's par for the course these days. I was stunned the last time I was in a comic shop cover-browsing.

NOTHING current looked good. Everything looks like drugged-up manga fans drew it, with drab colouring to boot.

Anonymous Daniel February 14, 2015 9:44 PM  

No, wrf3. No love for Deadpool. There's absolutely zero recognition of the guy outside of comic readers, and for good reason. He contributes nothing distinctive to a general audience. Punisher, in fact, was an entryist character, but - like a lot of entryists - had a little more depth than his descendants.

Deadpool is Punisher with Spider-Man's wisecracks and suit. And that's only the "main version" of Deadpool. The guy's got so many alternate universe versions that there simply isn't an iconic version.

No way he even registers a blip outside of his fans. Ask mothers about Punisher in 1985 (before any movies) and they could tell you he was a comic character.

Heck, even among general fans, DP is a complete non-essential. I'd say Snake Eyes had a bigger impact socially, or possibly Stormshadow. And I wouldn't count them as particularly significant.

Blogger wrf3 February 14, 2015 9:46 PM  

Daniel wrote: I'd say Snake Eyes had a bigger impact socially, or possibly Stormshadow.

Who?

;-)

Anonymous kfg February 14, 2015 10:02 PM  

" . . .his eco-friendly bicycle with a bamboo frame . . ."

Steel is real.

Anonymous Daniel February 14, 2015 10:07 PM  

Bosch Fawstin is the only comic book guy I can think of who has created an interesting new character in recent times. He made Pigman, a Muslim-raised guy who, following 9/11, dons a suit made of pig leather and invades the Middle East to torture and kill faithful Muslims.

Can't say he's pandering. To anyone.

Anonymous Daniel February 14, 2015 10:18 PM  

Who?

Exactly. The decades-long drought in character creation is from a combo of two factors: 1st is that comics aren't in front of kids at the gas station and grocery store anymore. That's where new guys were introduced and impressed upon the social fabric.

The other factor is creative: Punisher was new because he was an anti-hero - a superhero with a gun who used it to kill people. Until then, only villains intentionally killed people in comic fantasy. With the Punisher boom, people created Deadpool, Rorschach (hell, all the Watchmen, really), Snake Eyes, Stormshadow, and a host of "honor bound" killers who were presented as good guy anti-heroes. There were others - Catwoman was made to be more "nuanced" in her morality so that she could be identified as hooker with a heart of gold style anti-heroine, Black Adam, Bane, Elektra, Spawn...etc. etc. Dark, broody, people-killing mercenary anti-heroes. Even Moon Knight has become a holy terror.

When Venom stars in an entire run of comics as the good guy you realize that something in character creation has gone very wrong during the pop culture boom.

Anonymous CK February 14, 2015 10:22 PM  

"Steel is real."

Bigot :)

Anonymous kfg February 14, 2015 10:38 PM  

Damn grasses will take over the world if we let them.

Blogger wrf3 February 14, 2015 10:55 PM  

Daniel wrote: Exactly.

Actually, the expected response was "StarLord."

The Guardians of the Galaxy were not the Guardians I grew up with.
A female Thor is not the Thor I grew up with (and I still have Journey Into Mystery #84 somewhere).
Rorshach, Dr. Manhattan, etc... were just re-imaginings on the old Charlton heroes The Question, Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Nightshade, etc... And even my favorite, Captain Atom, had to be de-powered and given a new costume before his series ended. Only to be resurrected years later by DC as an inferior copy (IMHO. While the initial wonder of a sick little boy exploring the universe on the back of a giant space roc with Captain Atom seems silly to the adult me, the memory of wonder remains. And Ditko. Oh, Steve Ditko. A nutbag who can draw).

All this has happened before. It will happen again.

It has to. Death serves a purpose in that it makes way for new growth. New ideas. New mistakes. Perhaps, except, to us ancient ones with old memories still green.

Since we can't kill profitable properties, we have to morph them.

Anonymous Porphyry February 14, 2015 11:01 PM  

at first I thought you were talking about thordaddy and I was lol.

Anonymous Will Best February 14, 2015 11:07 PM  

The exception that proves the rule:

Casting Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury was a work of genius


I also didn't take issue with Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil. Which was a crappy movie for other reasons.

Is that true? I'd heard about the blatino part, but the bisexual part was news to me. It's like a self parody - the elusive 'black, hispanic quadriplegic lesbian' come to life.

They had already destroyed everything that was refreshing about the Ultimate Universe by the time this happened so it was no big deal.

---

Incidentally, I don't really mind the X fills in for Super Hero Y comics. For example, I thought the Doc Ock possessing Spider-man bit worked well although the purest were livid. And this sort of thing has been happening for decades. These days though they seem to market it as SJW claptrap because it will make it the MSM. Like apparently Marvels first all female avengers team is being assembled, nevermind that there have been story arcs where the Avenger girls were at a spa day or whatever and shit gets real and they take down a Hydra cell or whatever.

The new Fantastic Four movie cast the Human Torch as a black guy. Will he be sue storms adopted brotha??? Stupid

Actually, Franklin Storm is black. So Sue is the adopted one. Or maybe they are doing Brady bunch style.

Exactly. The decades-long drought in character creation is from a combo of two factors:

I couldn't disagree more. There are two factors but those aren't them.

1) After watching the guys who built the industry get completely dicked over by Marvel/DC no creator wants to give up their gold. Especially, with self publishing/independent publishing getting more and more viable

2) Marvel/DC are massively risk adverse and insist that Sup/Bat, Spider/Wolv appear in 67% of their comics every month, with their other A-listers bringing the total up to somewhere around 95% leaving a handful of comics to meet SJW quotas with leaving not a lot of space for genuine development of new heroes.

This actually explains Venom. Because the bulk of creation has to be on the villain side due to the super hero marketing requirements, and so it becomes easier to transition a villain to super-hero because they are developed.

Anonymous Atombum February 14, 2015 11:14 PM  

OT I just saw something funny over at Zerohedge. Remember Vox posting a vid of Hitler learning that Obama liked dogmeat? The same vid only this time its called: Saturday Humor- Hitler learns of Brian Williams Downfall.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 15, 2015 12:17 AM  

They also can't maintain established second-string super-heroines like the Scarlet Witch or Power Girl without gradually grinding them into the ground.

Can they maintain extablished first string characters? I've never been a big fan of comic book super heroes, so maybe I'm not the best judge, but it seems like the last thirty years of comic book history has been one fubar reboot after another.

Then again, Superman and Batman have been around since long before I was born. How many stories are there for them anyway?

Blogger ManiaC Provost February 15, 2015 12:17 AM  

American comics may have suffered from the global rise of Manga, but they could learn from it. Cheap printing, taking chances, original characters, a variety of plot types not involving super heroes, and character / plot progression. Tell the story and let it end.

Blogger Duke of Earl February 15, 2015 12:21 AM  

Sabertooth has been tall, blonde and psychotic as long as he's had a place in Marvel Comics, going all the way back to his fighting Daredevil and the Heroes for Hire. What's that, about forty years ago?

Isaiah Bradley, who was one of the war-time test subjects for the super-soldier serum post Captain America, might have been a politically motivated creation, but the Red White and Black storyline was quite interesting and did allude to the fact that black soldiers, even though expected to fight and die for their country, didn't receive any of the respect that men who do that could expect. Of course it was set only a few years after America's eugenics programs were forcibly sterilizing black people, and one of its influences was the Tuskagee Syphilis experiment. America does not have a good history of race relations. Granted, not many countries do, New Zealand is better than most but we still had our wrongdoings by the government, and despite their courage it was a lot of years before Maori soldiers received the acknowledgement that they deserved.

As a rule of thumb in comics there are three main ways of gaining powers, magic, science and technology, although admittedly in comic world science and technology work like magic anyway. The fourth Superman being technological means his creator would have to be a technologist/engineer, or affiliated with someone who is (like War Machine with Tony Stark). When the writers sat down to create a character with some loose affiliation with the John Henry of folklore his skin colour was already set. Enter John Henry Irons, Steel.

Granted, black men in mass media suffer from the same problem as gay men or women in general in such a format. You can't portray them as anything other than a living saint lest you be charged with some sort of thought crime. However given that, the trail of ideas behind the Steel character is easy enough to follow.

Having read a few of the New Ultimates comics with Miles Morales in them, they're no worse than most other comics series I've read. Miles's Spider Man is a different character, in the same way that Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter have shared the Spider Woman title but were different characters.

Anonymous Anonymous Cowherd February 15, 2015 12:26 AM  

We need a female Thor as a fish needs a bicycle

Blogger Eric February 15, 2015 12:34 AM  

American comics may have suffered from the global rise of Manga...

Every time I see one of these stories my thought is "why would anyone over the age of ten read American comics anyway"? Compared to Manga they're pretty weak tea. Maybe these reboots are just desperation as the Japanese eat the last crumbs of their lunch.

You're right about telling a story and letting it end. Trying to keep a franchise for a long time is a tightrope act. You can't change anything too much or your customers will feel like they didn't get the product they expected, but if you don't change anything it gets repetitious. Tell a story and don't be afraid to kill everyone in the last issue. After awhile the creator is mentally ready to move on anyway.

Blogger MATT February 15, 2015 12:58 AM  

Comics are lowbrow crap. They are not a springboard for children, on their journey to reading actual books. The kids that like reading actually read them. The kids who never stopped scribbling, read themfor the art. The artists at least are getting something if theyre smart. The wannabe writers are wasting their time. Comic writers usually are not good writers. The few that do write a book once in a while are mediocre at best. Unless you managed to write a "groundbreaking " comic that sells, youre a loser if youre working in comics and cant draw.

Its a potentially intetesting storytelling visual medium that is rarely used as well as it could be.

Btw, most books suck too. HONOR THE GREAT MEN. REMEMBER AND HOLD DEAR THE LAW IS MOSES. READ THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN

LOLLLLLLLZZXXzzxz

Anonymous Banjo February 15, 2015 1:08 AM  

Lotsa people picked up the banjo cause of Pete Seeger so we forgive him of his hippy ways. And neither the Ditsy Twits nor Taylor swift and her phony 6 string banjitar can bring down this musical machine.

Check out the playing and song choice of this nice young lady http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43mTn5SYQDw
And bask in j-lo's ignorance...

Anonymous Discard February 15, 2015 2:11 AM  

Banjo: Pete Seeger was not a hippy. He was a long time, Joe Stalin supporting Red. A loathsome, treasonous, piece of shit.
That said, the fact that he played banjo is no reason not to like the instrument. Plenty of sub-human garbage play piano too.

Anonymous kfg February 15, 2015 2:16 AM  

The six string banjo goes back to the days of the all banjo orchestras, to provide rhythm backing. The acoustic guitars of the day simply weren't loud enough to compete with a wall of banjos.

I was introduced to them by Taylor; that would be Livingston, not that Swift creature. Guilt by proximity to Livingston has gotten me mistaken for James, which I fail to understand. I don't think I look a bit like him and I sing better.

Fantastic instrument for fingerpicking ragtime.

Anonymous map February 15, 2015 2:17 AM  

Ah, comic books. The greatest superheroes out of the Marvel Universe are Daredevil (Frank Miller) and The Punisher.

I remember Punisher beating the crap out of an animal rights activist for throwing blood on his date.

Blogger John Wright February 15, 2015 2:46 AM  

"Wait, the panels at the source linky are not bad parodies of femi-thor drawn by opponents of the idea of femi-thor to show how awful the concept might be? Oh, dear."

You said it. The inking and execution were terrible, and the dialog was just abominable, even by comic book standards. I have to go wash out my eyes with soap, now.

I have been emotionally scarred for life by seeing those two pages. Maybe rereading the Walt Simonson run of Thor comics will restore my sanity, or Jack Kirby's.

Anonymous TroperA February 15, 2015 2:58 AM  

All the SJW;s would call this cultural appropriation and genocide if the same thing were done to non-whites,

And that is exactly what this is an attempt to do, Erase white identity and culture-- because of course its superiority is thorn in the side of the resentful and envious.


You can see this when you compare the SJW reaction to two recent movies: The first Marvel Thor movie and that recent Moses movie (the name of which I've already forgotten.)

SJWs on the Thor movie: People who whine about Heimdall being black are racist! So who cares if he's not Nordic like he was in the original myth? We NEED DIVERSITY!!!

SJWs on the recent Moses movie: OMG! All of the Egyptians are played by swarthy white guys and Jews!! RACISS! RACISS!!!!!

Anonymous Harold February 15, 2015 3:46 AM  

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."— J. R. R. Tolkien, The Return of the King.

Anonymous Krul February 15, 2015 3:50 AM  

John Wright - The inking and execution were terrible, and the dialog was just abominable, even by comic book standards.

Odd thing about the dialogue. I notice that She-Thor's speech bubbles are Ye Olde Aenglische - with "'twas" and "thou" and fancy font - while her thought bubbles are normal modern girl. She even calls the villain a "creep".

I'm not a comic book fan, but I did read a Thor comic years ago, and I distinctly remember that his inner thoughts were all "thee" and "-eth" and he only spoke like a modern man when in disguise. If that was the normal way, it emphasizes how the Thor identity is merely an affectation for the new girl.

Also... they put the actual, real-world criticisms leveled at their decision into the story in the mouth of a villain who gets knocked out and insulted. It's understandable for artists to be tempted to take revenge on their critics, but to give in so blatantly is low. Not to mention that it draws attention to the fact that they have no answer to those criticisms beyond "Shut up!"

Anonymous Harold February 15, 2015 4:02 AM  

By the way, I knew there was a Tolkien quote contrasting ‘mock’ and ‘make’ but when I searched the web and found one (the one in my previous comment), it wasn’t entirely in accordance with my memory. But I could not find another. It is most likely that my memory was at fault, but I would like to know if anyone knows of another.

Blogger Shimshon February 15, 2015 4:06 AM  

"That's for saying 'feminist' like it's a four letter word, creep."

I, like others here, am at a total loss. Is this not parody?!

Blogger John Wright February 15, 2015 4:17 AM  

""That's for saying 'feminist' like it's a four letter word, creep." I, like others here, am at a total loss. Is this not parody?!"

The Left for a while now has been its own perfect self parody: attempts to mock them fall flat as they always do far more and far more thoroughly than any attempt to discredit them by exaggerating their shortcomings might do. Once a solid is a perfectly fluid liquid, it cannot be mocked for its pliancy; and once a solid reach zero degree kelvin, absolute zero, its lack of heat cannot be exaggerated or parodied.

And the drawings were so --- BAD --- just the craftsmanship of the cartooning was bad. Has the legacy of Ditko and Kirby come to this? To this?

Blogger Shibes Meadow February 15, 2015 4:35 AM  

i worked in the comic book business for most of the '90s, including a stint at one of Marvel's imprints, writing and drawing comic books for licensed product tie-ins. The industry then was full of drawing-table socialists of the Not Enough Talent for TV kind, of which I was one. I later recovered, moved on into advertising and animation voice acting, and became the reactionary that I am today. Most of the lordly intellects with whom I worked in those days went back to washing cars and flipping burgers after the Collapse. I still write and draw for money.

I don't know why certain crafts tend to appeal to Lefties. Comics, television, film, the music biz are all full of them. I love comics (especially DC comics) and will always enjoy reading them and making them -- they are as much an art form as jazz or banjo picking are -- but I'm very, very glad I don't work in the industry any more. As has been said above, comic books today make no profit; imported Japanese manga far outsells American comic books. They exist to allow the IP owners to make money from movies, Underoos, and T-shirts.

Incidentally, if you folks like comics, you can now buy hard-bound collections of classic American newspaper strips in big, deluxe-format editions for surprisingly low prices. I own the complete 1934-1946 run of Milton Caniff's classic Terry and the Pirates strip in hardcover, and it has provided me with hours of satisfying reading. Nothing like watching Terry, Burma, Pat Ryan and the Dragon Lady fighting Japs and cracking wise! And when you see how fantastic the art in those old strips is compared to the slop one sees today, it's enough to bring tears. Besides Terry, you can buy collected versions of Little Orphan Annie (the White one), Mary Perkins On Stage, Rip Kirby, and many other classic American comic strips as well.

New post up at the Shibes blog, BTW.

Anonymous Discard February 15, 2015 5:21 AM  

Shibes Meadow: One of the reasons that certain lines of work appear to appeal to leftists is that leftists have made themselves the gatekeepers to those lines of work. Teaching is another one. Education credentialists will lie and cheat to keep the wrong sort of person from filling little minds with math.

Anonymous reddit shill February 15, 2015 6:32 AM  

This article of Vox's was referenced and partially quoted by Breitbart and has now ended up on KotakuInAction on reddit (the gamergate subforum) if anyone is interested.

Anonymous reddit shill February 15, 2015 6:33 AM  

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2vwfop/milos_article_female_thor_explains_why_gamergate/

Link

Blogger Eli Owen February 15, 2015 8:34 AM  

Vox, have you ever thought of Castalia House Comics? It seems the time is ripe for it.

Anonymous Bz February 15, 2015 8:36 AM  

Marvel Cultural Imperialism. Disney Genocide.

Let's hope the extreme right wing asatrue believers don't answer this insult with guns and bombs, eh?

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2015 8:52 AM  

Oh, and Jack Kirby is turning over in his grave. But he's probably been doing that for a while.

Anonymous Harsh February 15, 2015 9:30 AM  

Not only does it highlight the fact that women and minorities can't create their own characters

I think that's the crux of the matter. It's a form of entryism. They can't create so they infiltrate and destroy.

Blogger MATT February 15, 2015 10:06 AM  

Wow I just looked at those sample pages. Keep in mind that probably more than a dozen people worked on that.

Blogger MATT February 15, 2015 10:12 AM  

Oh good lord, look at what dc published

https://m.imgur.com/a/cxyKC

Blogger Vox February 15, 2015 10:52 AM  

Vox, have you ever thought of Castalia House Comics? It seems the time is ripe for it.

Not really. No inkers, no colorists, and no knowledge of the industry. All we have are writers. I do know one guy from the industry, in fact, we're working on some audio projects with him, but he's retired from inking if I understand correctly.

Blogger Lovekraft February 15, 2015 11:18 AM  

I am being sarcastic, but wouldn't it only be fair (snicker) if the SJWs campaigned to have every white male villain in comics inverted as well?


Think of Lex Luthor as a Hillary Clinton. Not a stretch, actually.

Blogger Lovekraft February 15, 2015 11:24 AM  

Mark Millar is a standout writer in comics today.

His 6-issue limited series "Wanted" tells of an omega male abandoned by his father and raised by his twisted mother, cheated on by his girlfriend and dumped on at work by his black female superior.

But it turned out his father did love him and took steps to break him out of his urban malaise to become kick-ass assassin.

Don't bother watching the dreadful movie version of this awesome story. Fantastic art as well.

Anonymous desu charisma man February 15, 2015 11:30 AM  

Many american lads want to draw manga in japan however they are too ethnocentric. I doubt that many of them aren't against what they see as reverse racism and sexism.

Black Mannerheim movie was the biggest fuckup of them all.

Anonymous 0007 February 15, 2015 12:41 PM  

Anyone who wants to remember what real comics were like, there is a company republishing the Carl Barks and Don Rosa "Scrooge McDuck comics.

Anonymous A. Nonymous February 15, 2015 1:11 PM  

Sabertooth has been tall, blonde and psychotic as long as he's had a place in Marvel Comics, going all the way back to his fighting Daredevil and the Heroes for Hire. What's that, about forty years ago?

Exactly, and for most of that time, he's been butting heads with short, dark, hairy, unlovely and anti-social Wolverine, with his pronounced preference for tall, willowy WASPs like Heather Hudson and Jean Grey (yeah, Frank Miller had him fall in love with a Japanese woman, but that's Frank Miller being, well, Frank Miller).

Isaiah Bradley, who was one of the war-time test subjects for the super-soldier serum post Captain America, might have been a politically motivated creation, but the Red White and Black storyline was quite interesting and did allude to the fact that black soldiers, even though expected to fight and die for their country, didn't receive any of the respect that men who do that could expect.

"Might" have been? My God, man, you've obviously been spending far too much time in the company of sheep rather than people.

As a rule of thumb in comics there are three main ways of gaining powers, magic, science and technology, although admittedly in comic world science and technology work like magic anyway. The fourth Superman being technological means his creator would have to be a technologist/engineer, or affiliated with someone who is (like War Machine with Tony Stark).

Gibberish.

When the writers sat down to create a character with some loose affiliation with the John Henry of folklore his skin colour was already set. Enter John Henry Irons, Steel.

Enter Black Tech Genius, cliché.

Granted, black men in mass media suffer from the same problem as gay men or women in general in such a format. You can't portray them as anything other than a living saint lest you be charged with some sort of thought crime. However given that, the trail of ideas behind the Steel character is easy enough to follow.

Let's be serious, here. Marvel and DC both have been pulling this sort of shit for decades, with the X-Men functioning as metaphors for black civil rights agitators or the original, white version of Firestorm having to share his mind with a Jewish scientist before being killed and replaced by a black teenager, among so many, many other examples. In truth, there's not a whole lot of content in the big two's repertoire touching on race and politics that isn't

Having read a few of the New Ultimates comics with Miles Morales in them, they're no worse than most other comics series I've read. Miles's Spider Man is a different character, in the same way that Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter have shared the Spider Woman title but were different characters.

That's quite a fatuous argument. A better analogy would be to claim that he's "a different character, in the same way" as the new (white, blond) Spawn in comparison with the original (black) Spawn, but even that fails because the circumstances of Spider-Man's origins are so highly-specific, whereas Spawn was established from the beginning as being only the latest of a long line.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 15, 2015 1:16 PM  

"Oh, and Jack Kirby is turning over in his grave. But he's probably been doing that for a while." - James Dixon

That's mainly due to a water-wheel like effect of Stan Lee et al. pissing on Kirby's grave since the poor bastard was buried.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 15, 2015 1:41 PM  

As a rule of thumb in comics there are three main ways of gaining powers, magic, science and technology, although admittedly in comic world science and technology work like magic anyway. The fourth Superman being technological means his creator would have to be a technologist/engineer, or affiliated with someone who is (like War Machine with Tony Stark).

"Gibberish." - A. Nonymous

In what way? Magic, science and technology are the impetus for most if not all super powered characters in the comic book world. Magic made Dr. Strange, Ghost Rider and Thor. Science made Spiderman, the Hulk, and the Fantastic Four. Technology created Iron Man, Vision, and Machine Man. That's just from the Marvel side.

And if you think the fourth Superman having to either be into tech or know someone who was is "gibberish", then how in the hell is he supposed to get his suit? Have it magically pop fully formed from his backside?

Blogger John Wright February 15, 2015 2:19 PM  

AAAARRRRGGGGHH! There are three pages of Thorella on the Breitbart site, and I only saw the first two. In the third one, the supervillainess surrenders to Thorellina because she respects the difficulty of "what she is trying to do" and because Absorbing Man is two timing her. And the so called superheroine socks her in the jaw anyway.

Girls don't understand heroics and never did, but now the guys who write hero comics now don't understand it. First, you don't hit girls; even if you did, you would not hit one in the face; and even if you did, it would not be done during negotiations, when one side is surrendering. Can you imagine a cop doing that?

Just three pages of pure awfulness, execrable in every way, and certain to induce vomiting in the overly sensitive.

And THIS is what they thought Thor needed to attract more readers? They wanted more Ms Marvel?

Blogger Student in Blue February 15, 2015 2:54 PM  

@MATT
Oh good lord, look at what dc published

The first thing that pops to mind is "inhuman".

Like, no one in those panels were acting like human beings do. They were planted square in the uncanny valley.

Blogger Duke of Earl February 15, 2015 2:58 PM  

And if you think the fourth Superman having to either be into tech or know someone who was is "gibberish", then how in the hell is he supposed to get his suit? Have it magically pop fully formed from his backside?

At one point War Machine had an alien warsuit that hid under his skin until he needed to use it. That was pretty cool.

Blogger Duke of Earl February 15, 2015 3:20 PM  

Girls don't understand heroics and never did, but now the guys who write hero comics now don't understand it. First, you don't hit girls; even if you did, you would not hit one in the face; and even if you did, it would not be done during negotiations, when one side is surrendering. Can you imagine a cop doing that?

While there are circumstances where hitting a girl might be necessary, I would say in the same circumstances where you'd hit a man, hitting a surrendering opponent is dishonorable. It reminds me of a couple of articles on Cracked where they listed attempts by comic book authors to be more socially relevant but completely stuffed it up.

Here

Here

Here

And for those who think the token efforts to make people feel good about helping others are bunkem, you're right.

Here

Anonymous j February 15, 2015 3:57 PM  

Not a surprise that it's Thor they went for: the whitest and malest of white male superheroes. He was like a walking hate crime! He had to be neutered, literally.

Anonymous Michael Maier February 17, 2015 9:23 AM  

John Wright First, you don't hit girls; even if you did, you would not hit one in the face; and even if you did, it would not be done during negotiations, when one side is surrendering. Can you imagine a cop doing that?

Are you kidding me? You ask that on THIS blog?

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