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Friday, February 20, 2015

The Neanderthal theory of intelligence

It's going to become very, very hard to dismiss the genetic basis for intelligence, or its implications for racial policies, if it is eventually determined that average intelligence is essentially a proxy for a population group's greater or lesser amount of Neanderthal DNA:
Researchers also have found a peculiar pattern in non-Africans: People in China, Japan and other East Asian countries have about 20 percent more Neanderthal DNA than do Europeans.

Last year, Sriram Sankararaman, a postdoctoral researcher at Harvard Medical School, and his colleagues proposed that natural selection was responsible for the difference. Most Neanderthal genes probably had modestly bad effects on the health of our ancestors, Dr. Sankararaman and other researchers have found. People who inherited a Neanderthal version of any given gene would have had fewer children on average than people with the human version.

As a result, Neanderthal DNA became progressively rarer in living humans. Dr. Sankararaman and his colleagues proposed that it disappeared faster in Europeans than in Asians. The early Asian population was small, the researchers suggested, and natural selection eliminates harmful genes more slowly in small groups than in large populations. Today, smaller ethnic groups, like Ashkenazi Jews and the Amish, can have unusually high rates of certain genetic disorders.

Joshua M. Akey, a geneticist at the University of Washington, and the graduate student Benjamin Vernot recently set out to test this hypothesis. They took advantage of the fact that only some parts of our genome have a strong influence on health. Other parts — so-called neutral regions — are less important.

A mutation in a neutral region won’t affect our odds of having children and therefore won't be eliminated by natural selection. If Dr. Sankararaman’s hypothesis were correct, you would expect Europeans to have lost more harmful Neanderthal DNA than neutral DNA. In fact, the scientists did not find this difference in the DNA of living Europeans.

Dr. Akey and Mr. Vernot then tested out other possible explanations for the comparative abundance of Neanderthal DNA in Asians. The theory that made the most sense was that Asians inherited additional Neanderthal DNA at a later time.

In this scenario, the ancestors of Asians and Europeans split, the early Asians migrated east, and there they had a second encounter with Neanderthals. Dr. Akey and Mr. Vernot reported their findings in the American Journal of Human Genetics.
We shouldn't get too carried away with a scientific hypothesis that merely happens to be in line with some computer modeling; if I was inclined to that sort of thing I'd be deeply concerned about global warming. But it is a little ominous; those who think that the third world invasion of the West is harmless should keep in mind the lesson of the Neanderthals. They may have been smarter, but they're not around anymore and Homo sapiens sapiens is.

For all we know, there were once Neanderthals who claimed any Neanderthal who thought those nice Homo Sapiens who moved into the cave next door would be a problem were sub-speciesist, and besides, weren't their spiced triceratops eggs ever so tasty?

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Blogger rumpole5 February 20, 2015 12:10 PM  

So the GEICO/caveman commercials were precient? I'm waiting for some ads mocking evolution and climate change next.

Blogger JCclimber February 20, 2015 12:12 PM  

ouch. nothing like a little biting rhetoric in the morning

Anonymous Redhead Aspie Gamma February 20, 2015 12:24 PM  

So are Neanderthals the Elves of our world... the the Uruk-Hai?

Neanderthal: Profile of a super predator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbmywzGAVs

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus February 20, 2015 12:30 PM  

I have always wondered at that: Neandertals were supposed to have been both significantly smarter and physically stronger...so how in the hell did they lose?

Blogger IM2L844 February 20, 2015 12:32 PM  

I always find it amusing, in an exasperating sort to way, that it is the very same liberals, who are fond of regurgitating those old "right wing evolution denier nut bag" tropes, that intransigently deny microevolution has been occurring at all in Homo sapiens sapiens...because racissss

Anonymous Daniel February 20, 2015 12:33 PM  

The article draws a distinction between "Neanderthals" and "humans." That's interesting.

Blogger Azimus February 20, 2015 12:40 PM  

So that men of Numenor sh*t is real?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 20, 2015 12:40 PM  

Let's assume you're correct here, and we expel the stupid races from our areas. What's the justification for keeping the other stupid people around?

Other races. Gone.
Leftists. Gone.
RINOs. Gone.

What's next on the list, where does it stop, and why?

Anonymous Native Baltimoron February 20, 2015 12:41 PM  

@Darth Toolpidicus:

Population density's probably the major thing. If Neanderthal babies nursed longer, for example, lactational amenorrhea would put them at a reproductive disadvantage. Longer time to sexual maturity (which might be adaptive in a cold, resource-limited climate) would also help. Then there's the observed fact that smarter people have fewer kids.

There's decent evidence that the last Neanderthals survived pretty late, and it would not surprise me at all to learn that there was a reservoir preserved in some inaccessible region in Asia longer than in Europe.

With reference to the Elves question, it's certainly plausible enough that archaic hominids might have been the basis for the various stories of the Fair Folk. It'd make one heck of a fantasy story, to be honest.

Anonymous bub February 20, 2015 12:42 PM  

So whom did Adam's sons marry? Were they the Thals who then interbred with sapiens?
Superior intellect would be explained.
But, so would it be if the Thals were from Nephilim stock.
I'd like to know what percentage of Thal the Hebrews had.
Dread, where be ye?

Anonymous Daniel February 20, 2015 12:42 PM  

I have always wondered at that: Neandertals were supposed to have been both significantly smarter and physically stronger...so how in the hell did they lose?

Smarter, stronger, more artistic and communal...much, much smaller population. On top of that, clans were a bit insular, so they were too late in massing the size of defensive armies necessary to fight off the onslaught. My guess is that we think of them as "cave" men because those were their final individualized defensive strongholds.

The cave was a clan's Helm's Deep...without the friendly reinforcements.

Blogger Azimus February 20, 2015 12:43 PM  

Darth Toolpodicus February 20, 2015 12:30 PM I have always wondered at that: Neandertals were supposed to have been both significantly smarter and physically stronger...so how in the hell did they lose

According to a Telegraph article Vox posted some years ago, they were delicious! An army marches on its stomach according to Napoleon... so if your enemy is tasty it naturally follows that our forebears would fight harder to defeat them... literal fruit of victory...

Anonymous Huckleberry -- est. 1977 February 20, 2015 12:43 PM  

so how in the hell did they lose?

They got out-bred and inter-bred.
Also, while the theory holds that they were stronger, that same theory also suggests they were significantly slower.
Or maybe their demise wasn't as sudden as the bone collectors speculate.

Anonymous Viidad February 20, 2015 12:51 PM  

"For all we know, there were once Neanderthals who claimed any Neanderthal who thought those nice Homo Sapiens who moved into the cave next door would be a problem were sub-speciesist, and besides, weren't their spiced triceratops eggs ever so tasty?"

Until the nice tolerant Neanderthals were themselves eaten by the Saps.

Oh shoot... I'm feeling an epic novel seizing me.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus February 20, 2015 12:58 PM  

Doing some reading, I see also the pathogen theory, that the H. Sapiens Sapiens brought pathogens with them from Africa that had a virgin field epidemic of the H. Neandertalensis.

"So whom did Adam's sons marry? Were they the Thals who then interbred with sapiens?"

uhm...they married their sibilings. The prohibitions against close-intermarriage didn't come about until much later.

Blogger JCclimber February 20, 2015 12:59 PM  

Shem.
Ham.
Japheth.

It would be interesting to see how the genetic map can be traced back to those three brothers. And their wives.

Interesting also that the bacteria that you have on your skin, in your GI tract, and elsewhere is from your mother. If your mother had sex with other men before your father, it means that you get those other men's bacteria in your body's inheritance.

Nice.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus February 20, 2015 1:13 PM  

"Then there's the observed fact that smarter people have fewer kids"

I think that is only observed in the postmodern culture...as in that is a cultural imperative not a genetic one.

IIRC industrial age England saw the smarter people out breeding the dumber by multiples. One factor cited in the rapid gains in average IQ there over the same period.

Blogger MATT February 20, 2015 1:16 PM  

Jcclimber, where did you get this information? As far as I can tell, telegony was only shown to maybe occur in the fruit flies they tested.

Neanderthal communities being smaller would be more evidence of intelligence having a negative effect on population growth. It would also prove the importance of a an organizing belief in a complex system that demands you be fruitful and multiply. Orthodox Jews tend to have a large litter.

Anonymous SCIENCE is real, sadly so are you February 20, 2015 1:19 PM  

"weren't their spiced triceratops eggs ever so tasty?"

WHat's funny is as a creationist anti-science scum, THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/scalzi/1969216237/in/set-72157603091357751

https://www.flickr.com/photos/scalzi/sets/72157603091357751/detail/

Blogger MATT February 20, 2015 1:20 PM  

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Blogger IM2L844 February 20, 2015 1:21 PM  

Let's assume you're correct here, and we expel the stupid races from our areas.

Let's not assume expulsion. Let's assume freedom of association without the threat of repercussions and an absence of forced integration. The rest will take care of itself.

Anonymous DKViking February 20, 2015 1:22 PM  

But Asia is generally messed up, IQ cannot stand alone. There is something additional going on.

Blogger MATT February 20, 2015 1:22 PM  

Post religious culture. For a devout Christian/Jew/Muslim/Afew others, it is a cultural imperative as well as genetic imperative. 

This is more evidence that on everything from capitalism to religion, leftists are out of touch with reality. They cant seem.to understand that whether ot not its made up or "totally NOT okay", these systems allow for the most natural expression of human desire with the least amount of destructiveness, on average.

Industrial Age, they were still Christian.

Anonymous DrTorch February 20, 2015 1:28 PM  

there were once Neanderthals who claimed any Neanderthal who thought those nice Homo Sapiens who moved into the cave next door would be a problem were sub-speciesist, and besides, weren't their spiced triceratops eggs ever so tasty?

This has daily comic strip written all over it. On second thought, maybe this was already done w/ The Flintstones.

not surprise me at all to learn that there was a reservoir preserved in some inaccessible region in Asia

Or the Inhumans.

Alas, nothing new under the sun.

Anonymous SlackAttack February 20, 2015 1:32 PM  

I recently did 23andme and turns out im 3% neanderthal.

Anyone else done the same?

Also, I have $15 on wheeler showing up before this discussion gets stale.

OpenID achristianonwar February 20, 2015 1:32 PM  

Triceratops lay eggs? Who knew?

Blogger Nate February 20, 2015 1:32 PM  

"WHat's funny is as a creationist anti-science scum, THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE."

aspie gonna aspie.

Anonymous Native Baltimoron February 20, 2015 1:33 PM  

That's similar to the differential post-manorial fecundity thesis of A Farewell to Alms, but by the late 19th century, the upper class were back to having fewer kids. As I understand it, England's reaching Malthusian escape velocity was in large part related to the shortage of food, since really underweight women are largely infertile and smarter people are better at earning their bread. In any environment where resources are no longer scarce, there's a concomitant increase in fertility for the less-intelligent.

The novel pathogen theory is very plausible, but smallpox definitely emerged too late, as evidenced by its not crossing the Bering Land bridge. The fact that herpesviruses, e.g. chickenpox, are so well tolerated today may be evidence of a catastrophic die-off and strong selection for resistance in early human populations. Unfortunately, I'd wager it's difficult to confirm evidence of infection on fossils and old DNA (especially since the sequencing techniques are designed to screen out modern contaminants).

Anonymous PA February 20, 2015 1:44 PM  

It's strange that East Asians are said to have more Neanderthal genes when Thal renderings or reconstructions show them as almost nordic-looking, rather than mongoloid.

Anonymous Hyborian Age February 20, 2015 1:51 PM  

so..... how do Denisovans play into all this?


PS: This is pretty fun:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/conan-the-librarian/

"Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, evolution seems to have run pretty briskly, but without any pronounced direction. Men devolved into ape-men when the environment pushed in that direction (Flores ?) and shifted right back when the environment favored speech and tools. Culture shaped evolution, and evolution shaped culture. An endogamous caste of snake-worshiping priests evolved in a strange direction. Although their IQs were considerably higher than average, they remained surprisingly vulnerable to sword-bearing barbarians..."

Blogger luagha February 20, 2015 1:51 PM  

What about the whole thumbs and tool use issues? For all the supposed mathematical intelligence and creative artistry of the Neanderthals, I was under the impression that they had poor thumbs and cruder tools.

Blogger Kurt February 20, 2015 1:54 PM  

They lost because they were less capable of running/endurance and needed a lot more protein/food to fuel their bodies. Endurance allowed humans to be more effective hunters and they needed less food so survived hard times better. That's the current theory at least.

Blogger Azimus February 20, 2015 1:54 PM  

Nate February 20, 2015 1:32 PM "WHat's funny is as a creationist anti-science scum, THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE."

aspie gonna aspie.


How delusional does someone have to be to tell them what they believe and condemn for same? That takes quite a cocktail of psychotropics I'm guessing...

Anonymous HalibetLector February 20, 2015 2:04 PM  

They may have been smarter, but they're not around anymore and Homo sapiens sapiens is.

Does anybody else here read vault-co.blogspot.com? Tex has a rather large series on Neanderthals. One of his ideas (that I happen to agree with) is the Neanderthals thrived during the last ice age in Europe. Sapiens had Africa, but didn't do well in the harsher, colder environment up north. Once the ice melted, Sapiens flooded into Europe in mass numbers, killing and eating the Neanderthal as they went.

Smart is no substitute for superior numbers.

Anonymous Carleton Stevens Coon February 20, 2015 2:09 PM  


The Caucasian race is of dual origin consisting of Upper Paleolithic (mixture of sapiens and neandertals) types and Mediterranean (purely sapiens) types.
The Upper Paleolithic peoples are the truly indigenous peoples of Europe.
Mediterraneans invaded Europe in large numbers during the Neolithic period and settled there.
The racial situation in Europe today may be explained as a mixture of Upper Paleolithic survivors and Mediterraneans.
When reduced Upper Paleolithic survivors and Mediterraneans mix, then occurs the process of dinarization, which produces a hybrid with non-intermediate features.
The Caucasian race encompasses the regions of Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, the Near East, North Africa, and Northeast Africa.
The Nordic race is part of the Mediterranean racial stock, being a mixture of Corded and Danubian Mediterraneans.

Anonymous cheddarman February 20, 2015 2:12 PM  

I read the paper Svante Paabo wrote on extracting the DNA from neanderthal fossil teeth. It sounds like he did a fair amount of scientific "hand waving" to come to his conclusions about Europeans having a few % of neanderthal DNA in their genome. I want to see how the science settles out over time on this issue. I dont claim to know the truth. I would like to see it confirmed, however.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 20, 2015 2:18 PM  

Vault-co, rdos, Koanic, Varg...it's all out there. But hey, now people with college degrees are saying it too! Wow, such zmart branes.

I've come to the conclusion lately that the nonsense we call "education" is a sort of religious purification ritual, like monks who observe ascetic habits. Sexual harassment complaint? Punishment by educational seminar. Commit a crime? "Rehabilitation". Minorities misbehaving? MOAR edification.

Probably a holdover from the Gnostics and their retarded "enlightenment".

Blogger emilio rodriguez February 20, 2015 2:18 PM  

Neanderthals lost because Sapiens were both faster runners, and could throw a spear farther. The elbow of sapiens allow a longer range of motion, hence can throw spears farther. If a Neanderthal could catch a sapiens, he was dead, but that's a big if.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 20, 2015 2:20 PM  

Also...keep a sharp eye on those so-called scientists. People lie when they want to avoid consequences.

Anonymous kh123 February 20, 2015 2:21 PM  

"WHat's funny is..."

That you fell for it.

But my inner thal wants to show you upfront that traps do exist. Listen to thal.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 20, 2015 2:23 PM  

The worrying part of those studies, is that intelligence is clearly and obviously a recessive. One easily bred out of a large population.

I wish I had seen anything at all in my life that made me believe otherwise.

Anonymous cheddarman February 20, 2015 2:24 PM  

speaking of Texas Arcane, he talks a decent amount on his website about the 3rd hominid, a group he calls the melonheads. The tend to have elongated skulls, like in the Indiana Jones movie Kingdom of the Crystal skull. their remains have been found in a number of sites in the world, including the island of malta, south america and russia. At least one museum in south america has a number of these skulls on display. They have pretty much been ignored by mainstream archeology, as they dont fit within the approved narrative.

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 20, 2015 2:36 PM  

Triceratops lay eggs? Who knew?

Who thought that they didn't?

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 20, 2015 2:39 PM  

so..... how do Denisovans play into all this?

DNA evidence so far suggests that the Denisovians played a similar role in the Melanesians, Australian aborigines and southeast asians as Neanderthals played in Europe and northern Asia.

But the state of the evidence is pretty flimsy, IMO. I wouldn't count on it to not change as more research is done.

Anonymous karsten February 20, 2015 2:39 PM  

"I have always wondered at that: Neandertals were supposed to have been both significantly smarter and physically stronger...so how in the hell did they lose?"

We had a replay of this in WWII.

Read your Nietzsche: the weak gang up on the strong, and the inferior band together to topple the superior.

OpenID vitasbrennus February 20, 2015 2:39 PM  

This sounds an awful lot like Tolkien. An older, smarter races is overtaken by a more fecund and warlike race. The descendants of those who interbred with the higher race have significant advantages over their purebred cousins.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 20, 2015 2:40 PM  

Genetics isn't destiny.

But it does give us a good indicator as to whether you've drawn a short straw in life.

Anonymous Joe Doakes February 20, 2015 2:41 PM  

Neanderthals were the Beta Max of primitive man?

Anonymous kh123 February 20, 2015 2:43 PM  

...Traveling to a time long forgotten, I remember reading in school something about thal children speculated to have had slower growth rates based on skull fissure measurements and the general thal/gracile comparisons in... I want to say the Gibraltar fossils. Tooth eruption might have also played a part.

Anonymous Boogeyman February 20, 2015 2:57 PM  

Saw a doc once where a forensic facial re-constructive artist (?), a person who normally uses clay to show what a murder victim looked like when all they have is the skull, did her thing on a Neanderthal skull. As God is my witness, the result looked just like this guy I worked with: weak chin, largish nose, receding hair line, and a fore head that seemed to fall back a bit more than normal. Even had the same dull expression.

That dude was as useless as a tit on a boar. Just couldn't get the simplest things right no matter how many times he was shown. But yea, if I had to bet I'd say it was because we were better at long distance running and throwing. Physically, those are the 2 things that give us an advantage over other creatures.

Blogger JCclimber February 20, 2015 3:05 PM  

Matt,
just read an abstract on a paper about this yesterday, so I think it is still pretty new information....

Anonymous HalibetLector February 20, 2015 3:05 PM  

@Aeoli thanks for that. I read Tex and Koanic, but had missed rdos and Varg.

Anonymous Daniel February 20, 2015 3:06 PM  

Neanderthals were quite fruitful, and multiplied. They had a smaller source group and also matured later. It has nothing to do with complexity or fruitfulness. The sapiens bred like rabbits not because they were following any higher moral call but because they were...rabbits.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 20, 2015 3:12 PM  

Vox, if you're going to set traps like that, you should really come around more often to check them.

Letting poor critters thrash around like that is just not sporting, old chap.

Blogger IM2L844 February 20, 2015 3:12 PM  

Neanderthals were liberals, obviously. How'd that work out for 'em?

Blogger MATT February 20, 2015 3:15 PM  

@JCCLIMBER

Then could you post a link?

Anonymous M February 20, 2015 3:19 PM  

M: Why were the thals genocided?

T: Thals were ass-burger gammas...

M: Ok, making sense now.

Blogger frigger611 February 20, 2015 3:20 PM  

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Blogger frigger611 February 20, 2015 3:22 PM  

I'm sure there are many competing theories as to why the Neanderthals "disappeared," some going so far to say that they could have been "wiped out" by another race of hominids.

But isn't it equally plausible to theorize that perhaps the Neanderthal men simply found other types of hominid females to be more attractive than their own kind? Neanderthals might not have been as swift as other races, but I understand they were more powerful and muscular.

Seems like a simple explanation - that Beauty eradicated the beasts. Not warfare, not genocide, not famine, not pestilence.

We see this behavior at work today - svelte Caucasian and Asian females tend to rank much higher in SMV than some other femmes who lack flowing locks of hair while possessing an abundance of steatopygia.

Just a thought.

Anonymous PA February 20, 2015 3:27 PM  

How did Nordics happen?

Blogger Corvinus February 20, 2015 3:42 PM  

But isn't it equally plausible to theorize that perhaps the Neanderthal men simply found other types of hominid females to be more attractive than their own kind? Neanderthals might not have been as swift as other races, but I understand they were more powerful and muscular.

Oddly enough, there's evidence that interbreeding happened the other way around (Neanderthal females with proto-Eurasian males).

Blogger Corvinus February 20, 2015 3:43 PM  

Also, what do you get when an Indian tribe raids women from another Indian tribe?

A kiyi-squaw distribution.

Blogger J Curtis February 20, 2015 4:09 PM  

At least one museum in south america has a number of these (elongated) skulls on display. They have pretty much been ignored by mainstream archeology, as they dont fit within the approved narrative

I googled it and came across this entry timestamped from 2 weeks ago...

"(DNA samples) had mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far. But a few fragments I was able to sequence from this sample indicate that if these mutations will hold we are dealing with a new human-like creature, very distant from Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and Denisovans" Link to article

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 20, 2015 4:20 PM  

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Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 20, 2015 4:29 PM  

This reconstruction makes them look more like Uruks. The author is pretty critical of the modern anthropomorphic portrayal of Neanderthals. I don't know if his portrayal is any better in regards to an accurate portrayal he could be doing the very same thing that he anthropologists do today.

http://themandus.org/gallery/

Anonymous ApolloK February 20, 2015 4:30 PM  

Do y'all think a lever action 45-70 is enough gun for Triceratops? Assume 300 gr JHP.

Anonymous DrTorch February 20, 2015 4:38 PM  

http://themandus.org/gallery/

So sasquatch is Neanderthal.

Blogger JCclimber February 20, 2015 4:48 PM  

Matt,
the article doesn't discuss the mother slutting around in her past, of course, since it is both MSM and written by a woman. But I'm sure you can figure out that sex with other men is going to change the woman's bacterial loading via fluid transfer....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/02/17/bacterial-dna-from-mom-may-be-inherited/

Blogger frigger611 February 20, 2015 4:55 PM  

Oddly enough, there's evidence that interbreeding happened the other way around (Neanderthal females with proto-Eurasian males). - Corvinus

Fascinating. I don't think there was much chivalry in those days. Mating in-group might have been a bit more tender than the mating process out-group. Out-group mating seems like it might have been more violent, or forced. Just a hunch. But probably an error as I am applying my modern sensibilities concerning attraction onto folks who lived 20,000 years ago.

So between different hominid sub-species, I wonder if the present dichotomy of beauty and strength were factors to Neanderthals and Proto-Eurasians? Or was it pure springtime pheromones in the air?

And are our "beautiful," and irresistible women only a more modern by-product of the newer race resulting from the meeting of Eurasian/ and Neanderthal?

I mean, Jeez, have you seen the cover of Sports Illustrated this month? Holy moly!

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Blogger Azimus February 20, 2015 5:40 PM  

karsten February 20, 2015 2:39 PM "I have always wondered at that: Neandertals were supposed to have been both significantly smarter and physically stronger...so how in the hell did they lose?"

We had a replay of this in WWII.


If you are referring to the Japanese, Italians, Rumanians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, or Slovaks, you have got to be kidding.

If you are referring to the Germans, they allied with these nations, so again, you have got to be kidding. Snappy uniforms though, I will admit.

Anonymous karsten February 20, 2015 5:42 PM  

"This sounds an awful lot like Tolkien. An older, smarter races is overtaken by a more fecund and warlike race. The descendants of those who interbred with the higher race have significant advantages over their purebred cousins."

Nice.

My own belief is that, as we increasingly discover the genetic basis for political/ideological orientation, it will be found that increased levels of Neanderthal DNA will be more or less correlative with increased traditionalist/ paleoconservative/ nationa-socialist/ identitarian (choose your preferred alt-right term) tendencies, and lack of Neanderthal DNA will correlate with leftist/cultural-Marxist tendencies.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis February 20, 2015 5:53 PM  

I have to disagree given that marxism is the bastard brain child of Europeans. It was the product of a spoiled intellectual trying to justify that he was nothing more than a glorified mooch.

I get the idea behind r/k theory but I think I do think the conclusions that it can be strictly be tied to ideology might be taking it a little too far. I think it has more to do with affecting behavior. I mean it is widely acknowledge that rabbits care about fitting into the group above all else. They don't want to be on the out because to them it means death so they will always conform to what the perceived popular opinion of the day, doesn't matter what the ideology is. Doesn't that explain why, that after a 'much beloved' tyrant dies, or a an evil political system falls, you suddenly have all these individuals who announce that they were always opposed to said leader/political system. I am convinced that if every cultural arbiter of the left started repudiated their beliefs and started declaring that right leaning ideology was the true correct think that the rabbits would rapidly change their world view.

Anonymous x February 20, 2015 5:53 PM  

Why do we assume the Neanderthals were the "good guys"?

Just as possible increased levels of Neanderthal DNA will be more or less correlative with increase globalism/banksterism, etc

Blogger S1AL February 20, 2015 6:09 PM  

I'm not even sure who Vox is trolling right now...

Anonymous Campion February 20, 2015 7:46 PM  

I'm surprised by this, It was always my understanding (maybe I'm years out of date) that Cro-Magnons were more intelligent than Neanderthals and gradually out competed them This is based on burial rituals, cave art and jewelery found in Cro gravesites and the lack of such artifacts among Neanderthals. When did this change?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 20, 2015 7:53 PM  

>Just as possible increased levels of Neanderthal DNA will be more or less correlative with increase globalism/banksterism, etc

This is the assumption we're running with at the Neanderhall these days. The Ashkenazim seem to have picked up a good dose of 'thal genes during their travels. Also a lot of capensis. But the big push for globalism, by banking or otherwise, seems to be coming from more or less purebred melonheads.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 20, 2015 8:00 PM  

A personal theory, not canon, is that cro magnon is the original narcissist (as in Michael Trust) due to a bad mix of thal and saps genes. Hence the original success and huge braincase, and then dysgenic tendency due to R-selection. Also, gives them a sort of circuit over-ride for taking commands from homo capensis, which means they were smart, strong, and extremely obedient/disciplined, as opposed to regular saps who respond to charisma temporarily, then forget and slack off.

Anonymous Anon February 20, 2015 8:46 PM  

Leftists lack Neanderthal DNA. That's why they embrace political and economic dead ends (socialism,communism,banksterism, etc...) over and over again. They don't have the IQ to embrace what's in society's best interest. They're too stupid.

Blogger Matamoros February 20, 2015 8:47 PM  

Jack Cuozzo is an orthodontist who managed to get into the museums with Neanderthal skulls and xray them. When the jaws are set properly into the seetings of the skull they have normal jawlines, and are not prognathous.

He wrote the book Buried Alive: The Startling Truth about Neanderthal Man wherein he details that we homo sapiens are all Neanderthals, because the Neanderthals were pre-flood and early post-flood humans who lived for hundreds of years. The nose, ears, etc. keep growing and this produced the heavy features associated with Neanderthals.

His work has driven the evolutionists crazy.

Here is a talk by him on youtube on The Truth About Ancient Man - www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFf5IcmkVa0

Blogger automatthew February 20, 2015 10:06 PM  

Cuozzo's work seems legit. His book is hard to read, though. Tries to be exciting by giving it an adventure story frame. I don't doubt that the weird and creepy stuff happened to him and his family, but he doesn't present it well.

Cuozzo presents evidence for more than just the nose and ears growing. His measurements of various cranial bone thicknesses purport to show that the Neanderthal skulls are of men and women hundreds of years old.

Blogger Corvinus February 20, 2015 10:10 PM  

He wrote the book Buried Alive: The Startling Truth about Neanderthal Man wherein he details that we homo sapiens are all Neanderthals, because the Neanderthals were pre-flood and early post-flood humans who lived for hundreds of years. The nose, ears, etc. keep growing and this produced the heavy features associated with Neanderthals.

Heh, I actually heard on some (secular) documentary about the Neanderthals how the certain group of remains had appeared to be washed into a cave by a flood. If they (and the Denisovans) turned out to be Antediluvians, that would be quite a hoot.

Anonymous kh123 February 20, 2015 11:34 PM  

"[Cro-magnon superior intelligence] is based on burial rituals, cave art and jewelery found in Cro gravesites and the lack of such artifacts among Neanderthals. When did this change?"

Burial in red ocher, mended bones of buried elders, evidence of glue manufacture, musical instrument, similarity in manual dexterity, hyoid positioned as modern humans to allow full vocal range, some evidence of interbreeding with moderns. And the best for last, the fact that their cranial capacity exceeds moderns by a good range. - not proof positive of intelligence, but definitely sinks the preconception of thals having skulls only fit for a bird brain. IIRC, the larger occipital lobe in the back would make room for the areas of the brain dealing with motor function.

Blogger Doom February 21, 2015 2:21 AM  

Neanderthal were smarter? I guess I should pay closer attention. Then again, goes to my notion that being smarter is not a good thing. Hmm, the last Einstein wannabe I remember hearing about miscalculated his bungi-cord for a drop. I still love that story. Too bad the first one wasn't introduced to the sport. Fraud too. Boing! Something just came up.

Blogger Akulkis February 21, 2015 2:46 AM  

Leave your privates out of this....

Anonymous Discard February 21, 2015 3:14 AM  

Cogitans Iuvenis: You're right about the rabbits changing their beliefs. American Communists became tolerant of Nazis overnight when the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed in 1939.
And American "conservatives" are signing on with the anal marriage crowd.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 February 21, 2015 12:46 PM  

"...weren't their spiced triceratops eggs ever so tasty?"
Don't be ridiculous, they were shirred!

CaptDMO

Anonymous Clay February 22, 2015 12:43 AM  

If you try to explain this to the fine folks of African decent...it will be impossible.

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 23, 2015 4:10 PM  

I'm surprised by this, It was always my understanding (maybe I'm years out of date) that Cro-Magnons were more intelligent than Neanderthals and gradually out competed them This is based on burial rituals, cave art and jewelery found in Cro gravesites and the lack of such artifacts among Neanderthals. When did this change?

It hasn't, actually. Cranial capacity is also related to encephalization, i.e. brain size as a ratio to body weight. The notion in the OP is that since Neanderthal DNA is most strongly correlated with Asian (and to a lesser extent) European populations today, by a percentage point or two, that it might be correlated to intelligence.

Based on material culture and archaeology, Cro-Magnon were consistently technologically ahead of Neanderthals.

Blogger Joshua Dyal February 23, 2015 4:13 PM  

Er... Hit Publish before I completely finished. Because Neanderthals have an average body mass greater than us modern humans, their greater cranial capacity isn't correlated to greater intelligence. Because their material culture was consistently more primitive than us modern humans, even in areas and times when modern and Neanderthal populations appear to have overlapped, they also don't have that going for them to suggest greater intelligence.

What they've got is that higher intelligence populations today have a higher degree of Neanderthal DNA. However, since the degree of DNA and the degree of intelligence are both rather small, it's certainly debatable whether or not a causal relationship can be teased out of that correlation or not.

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