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Saturday, February 28, 2015

Truth in Anti-GamerGate

It's admittedly hard to find. But we finally managed to locate some after correcting for a few modest exaggerations and untruths, shall we say. Meet Fuchsian Stains, the oft-open mouthpiece of Anti-GamerGate.

And this exchange is why you ALWAYS ignore the ever deeply concerned Concern Trolls.

George Feher ‏@BRC1134
Why the fat shaming? Bad enough they shame mental and neural health issues. Shouldn't you be better than them? 

Vox Day ‏@voxday
Click on the link. It should be self-explanatory.

George Feher ‏@BRC1134
I understand parody, but I think this will be used against gamergate and other things that don't need sjw crap.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
Don't focus inward, target outward. There are no GG thought police.

Bloody moderates. Always concern-trolling, always thought-policing, always preferring to shoot at their own side than the other one. I think I've finally figured it out their counterproductive tendencies, however. Moderates tend to be gammas, so they don't want to take on the enemy directly because they're conflict-avoidant and after all, the enemy might shoot back.

So, they suddenly become "strategists" and experts in coming up with ways to prevent anyone from actually doing anything. It's freaking hilarious to see a few of them "strategizing" together because they inevitably produce a consensus that is not only less effective than literally everything they've been criticizing, but is usually unrelated to the original objective. "We should be better than them" is their battle cry. They love to show that they are "better" than the other side by preemptively surrendering and refusing to fight back. Which, of course, is why they reliably lose.

Now, I should point out this isn't always the case. Brad Torgersen may be the cuddly Bleeding Heart Care Bear of the Evil Legion of Evil, but he's as steady under critical fire as The Mountain That Writes, and if he lacks my quasi-sociopathic immunity to social pressure, he is nevertheless remarkably calm about it. One thing I've learned about Mormons in the last two years is that they are remarkably unflappable.

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Anonymous Susan February 28, 2015 12:10 PM  

One thing I liked about Rush Limbaugh in the past, he called moderates road kill because they don't have the guts to get out of the way or choose a side to believe in.
As I get older, I find I have no patience for moderates either. They are too willing to roll over for anyone in order to get their bellies tickled.

Anonymous fish February 28, 2015 12:14 PM  

....and if he lacks my quasi-sociopathic immunity to social pressure, he is nevertheless remarkably calm about it.

Truly a state of bliss!

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 12:14 PM  

One thing I've learned about Mormons in the last two years is that they are remarkably unflappable.

Must be the underpants

Anonymous Jill February 28, 2015 12:24 PM  

I think it's difficult for an outsider to understand why being fat is relevant to the discussion, especially an outsider who has friends/family they love who struggle with their weight, and also especially knowing that Madison Ave. manipulates us w/ ideals of physical perfection. It seems counterproductive to them to be nasty about something of that nature--not to mention that it seems ad hominem. But it really comes down to personal responsibility and people who won't take it for anything, including their weight; that's what is at the root of the problem. And that's why it's relevant. That's the conclusion I've come to. It gets at the heart of our spoiled, at-ease society. It's really easy to play the social justice game in a time of ease when you won't have to pay for it with your life. And it's far easier to tell others what to do than to make changes for yourself.

Anonymous Homesteader February 28, 2015 12:24 PM  

"The only things in the middle of the road are yellow or dead".

Blogger Alexamenos February 28, 2015 12:30 PM  

"Moderates tend to be gammas....they suddenly become "strategists" and experts in coming up with ways to prevent anyone from actually doing anything."

Experts in preventing anyone from actually doing anythingt--that's exactly what I've been dealing with for the last two years at the office. I was a director of a small company along with 5 gammas*. I've lost all patience in dealing with them so screw 'em, my new plan is to let them wreck the company and I'll pick up the scraps.


*longer story as to how the company came to be owned and managed by gammas

Anonymous Culture War Draftee February 28, 2015 12:33 PM  

Jim Hightower wasn't useful for much, but I do love that line, "There's nothing in the middle of the road except yellow stripes and dead armadillos."

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus February 28, 2015 12:43 PM  

LOVE it!

Anonymous Jack Amok February 28, 2015 12:49 PM  

One thing I've learned about Mormons in the last two years is that they are remarkably unflappable.

When they're 19, they get sent to live in some random country for two years going out every day explain their religion to anybody who'll listen. Not a bad training ground for learning to take the sharp word or two and deal with the occasional unexpected event.

I do have a concern about dear Fuscia though. Her hair. The color is right, but it's way too long and wavy. Her friends no doubt keep telling her she would look cute with a pixie cut.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 12:49 PM  

It seems counterproductive to them to be nasty about something of that nature--not to mention that it seems ad hominem.

Except, of course, that the slender blonde imitation of Vivian James is just another SJW lie. Moreover, that's a false assumption. It is not "counterproductive" to be "nasty" in war. It is necessary.

Anyone who complains about "nastiness" in the midst of a cultural war is a useless and counterproductive idiot. It's not a fucking tea party. The moderates tried "nice" for forty years and we ended up here. Fuck them.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 12:50 PM  

I do have a concern about dear Fuscia though. Her hair. The color is right, but it's way too long and wavy.

Absolutely. But I was already at the limits of my Photoshop skills.

Anonymous Jill February 28, 2015 12:55 PM  

Speaking of tea parties, Americans should have learned a long time ago that negotiation with lunatic tyrants who have no concern for you is not doable.

Anonymous karsten February 28, 2015 1:01 PM  

"I do have a concern about dear Fuscia though. Her hair. The color is right, but it's way too long and wavy. Her friends no doubt keep telling her she would look cute with a pixie cut."

I agree. The image is way too female-looking. To be properly illustrative, she/it would have to have a more dyke-like look, from Rosie O'Donnell-like gaycut hair to beadier eyes, and no flower in the hair. And she/it would need to be further disfigured by grotesque tattoos and piercings.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 28, 2015 1:05 PM  

Absolutely. But I was already at the limits of my Photoshop skills.

Well you got the eyes - glaring, sullen, dulled by a blood-sugar low no doubt - exactly right.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 28, 2015 1:11 PM  

Oh, and in addition to the eyes, this part is exactly right too:

Moderates tend to be gammas, so they don't want to take on the enemy directly because they're conflict-avoidant and after all, the enemy might shoot back.

That thought occurred to me a few threads back when you were talking about people wanting to police their own ranks. They assume their allies won't shoot back, so that's who they attack.

I certainly see things I think folks on our side are doing wrong, but as long as someone is pouring fire into the enemy, I'm not going to be too critical. We have way more to lose being too cautious than being too aggressive.

Blogger IM2L844 February 28, 2015 1:13 PM  

"We should be better than them"

Yeah, that'll teach 'em not to spit on the corpses of your children, dumbass.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 28, 2015 1:31 PM  

Fuchsian Stains the Carbohydrate Annihilator

Blogger ajw308 February 28, 2015 1:32 PM  

@Susan, that is exactly why the good muslims today will be as beneficial to society as the good Germans were in the 30's.

Blogger ajw308 February 28, 2015 1:36 PM  

Absolutely. But I was already at the limits of my Photoshop skills.
Is that the Ilk Signal shining on the moon ?

Blogger wrf3 February 28, 2015 1:37 PM  

Vox wrote: It is not "counterproductive" to be "nasty" in war. It is necessary.

What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus February 28, 2015 1:47 PM  

"Her friends no doubt keep telling her she would look cute with a pixie cut."

Cute - maybe. Like a 5 year old or something.

Attractive? Not on your life.

Anonymous pseudotsuga February 28, 2015 1:56 PM  

What Jack Amok said--"When they're 19, they get sent to live in some random country for two years going out every day explain their religion to anybody who'll listen. Not a bad training ground for learning to take the sharp word or two and deal with the occasional unexpected event."
This rings true to me, too. Correia spent time in Alabama (Bible Belt country, hostile in many ways to Mormons), including the projects of Big Dirty Birmingham. I don't know where Torgersen served a mission (or if he did at all), but he's military, which I think has similar results. Orson Scott Card served a mission in Brazil, back in the 1970s. Hoyt isn't LDS, but she has lived the "stranger in a strange land" experience that the above gentlemen did.
Other LDS writers (Sanderson--mission in Korea, Wolverton--mission somewhere, but I can't find where) stay out of the fray while they work hard and cash their checks.
In contrast (anecdote is not data, mumble mumble), some former LDS authors (who left the church for a variety of reasons but served missions) are strong SJW advocates (Bill Shunn, for example.)

Anonymous Gx1080 February 28, 2015 1:56 PM  

Speaking of moderates, it has been funny to watch the early moderate TotalBiscuit getting fed up of the gang of intelectually dishonest twits:

Link 1

Link 2

Because really, the best way to deal with them is to mock them and nail them to stand up for their statements and their consequences.

Anonymous kfg February 28, 2015 2:15 PM  

Attack, attack, attack! - Internet Aristocrat, who disgust quit over the pansies in Gamergate.

Anonymous Seasoned and Tenderized February 28, 2015 2:16 PM  

Well we can't be "mean spirited", "divisive", or "extreme"!

Can't we all just get along?

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother February 28, 2015 2:18 PM  

WRF3,

WWII was a nasty war.

Anonymous Daniel February 28, 2015 2:20 PM  

What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?

a. who cares. priority alpha and omega is the war you are in, not the peace that may come.
b. yeah, those japanese never ever ever forgave us for the mean cartoons we did of them in '43.

Don't even start worrying about irrelevancies.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 2:28 PM  

But this is wrong. Criticism is rape.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 2:32 PM  

And death threats.

Anonymous Giuseppe February 28, 2015 2:34 PM  

Vox,
quasi-sociopathic etc.
Grazie Vox. Mi sento meno solo... Sai... In teoria. Se ci importasse piu di un pochino meno di una scorreggia in un alto vento.

Anonymous Susan February 28, 2015 2:40 PM  

Took another look at the photo. I agree with other comments, the hair is way too long and well tended for such an immature brat. No SJW would be caught dead with this lovely hair. Something short, punk/spikey or at least shorter with one side very close shaved, like Rhianna does.

Come on artists of the ilk, you have a mission to perform here.

This hair would work better for a photoshopped version of the magnificently feisty Spacebunny. Now that is an image I would like to see.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 28, 2015 3:21 PM  

Vox,

Is it your opinion that the strategy advice I mentioned to you falls in to the category outlined in the post?

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 28, 2015 3:22 PM  

The recent advice I gave.

Anonymous blume February 28, 2015 3:35 PM  

What I think is odd is the feminization of the original Vivian nock off. They took out the bags under the eyes, added make up and changed to a pink colour skeem.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 28, 2015 3:39 PM  

What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?

The war being over.

You're either dead (and no longer capable of being nasty save for the nasty smell of a rotting corpse), or you've won and whatever's left of the enemy has submitted and is willing to do what you tell them in exchange for not being hurt any more.

It's not a difficult concept. We fight until the loser accepts that he's lost.

Anonymous Christian Concern Troll February 28, 2015 3:43 PM  

"Bloody moderates. Always concern-trolling, always thought-policing, always preferring to shoot at their own side than the other one."

Vox, by all means, keep up the fight. And by fight I mean speaking the truth plainly, directly and unreservedly.

But as a Christian there are methods of fighting that are out of bounds.

Earlier this week you wrote: "It's always nice to see a happy ending where the SJW ends up unemployed, bitter, and alone."

But Proverbs 24:17,18 says: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

Anonymous icecreamman February 28, 2015 3:50 PM  

Photoshop skills needed?
http://i.imgur.com/3PXeje2.jpg
I added a nose ring too.

Blogger wrf3 February 28, 2015 3:51 PM  

Jack Amok wrote: The war being over.

If only it were so. All you have to do is look at the mentally scarred veterans who come back from the battle, or the politicians who can't give up the taste of power after the conflict is over, or the war machine that can't give up the flow of money.

The longer we engage in a behavior the more it becomes a part of us and correspondently harder to get rid of.

Blogger Desiderius February 28, 2015 4:06 PM  

"But as a Christian there are methods of fighting that are out of bounds."

Yeah, but its better for morale to put it in more proactive terms:

"No, ‘if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads.’"

- Romans 12:20

See also the Enchiridion militis Christiani for more manly ways to make your point.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 4:07 PM  

The longer we engage in a behavior the more it becomes a part of us and correspondently harder to get rid of.

Well, you go ahead and preemptively surrender then, wrf3. I don't give an airborne rodent's posterior for your concerns.

Anonymous Soga February 28, 2015 4:19 PM  

Christian Concern Troll:

The enemy hasn't fallen yet. A defeat in one battle in a long, bitter war is not a "fallen"-ing. We rejoice when the battles go our way, as the armies of Israel rejoiced when God defeated their enemies before them.

But when the work is done, when the enemies surrender, that is when we feed them and give them something to drink. Both an act of mercy and an act of domination.

Blogger Vox February 28, 2015 4:22 PM  

Proverbs 24:17,18 says: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

I find it very difficult to believe the Lord is overly concerned about SJWs in the game industry. Let me make this perfectly clear. I don't give the smallest, most insignificant QUANTUM of a damn about the concerns of all you hand-wringing concern moderates who have let SJWs invade your churches, your families, your corporations, your sports teams, your clubs, your hobbies, and your organizations.

The Fourth F applies to you. If you're just going to sit around and do nothing, that's on you. God doesn't seem to think very highly of that sort either. And literally the very least you can do is bite your tongue and stop shooting at your own side.

Anonymous tiredofitall February 28, 2015 4:23 PM  

Butchified by 30%

http://imgur.com/WzZoFjK

Anonymous Soga February 28, 2015 4:27 PM  

And you do understand that feeding prisoners was a foreign concept to pagans in the days that the Proverbs were written, right?

Pagans, when they won a war, they would just take the conquered enemy, kill, rape, and pillage their loot. If you were a man, you would be killed outright. If you were a boy, a woman, or a girl, you would be passed around to be repeatedly raped and probably killed when the conquerors were finished with having their ways with you.

However, enemies that continue to resist must be thoroughly defeated. Proceed until complete, unconditional surrender occurs.

Blogger wrf3 February 28, 2015 4:40 PM  

Vox wrote: Well, you go ahead and preemptively surrender then, wrf3.

The fallacy of the false dilemma. The choice wasn't to fight wrongly or not fight at all.

I don't give an airborne rodent's posterior for your concerns.

You're so predictable.

Blogger Akulkis February 28, 2015 4:58 PM  

wrf3 Losing is fighting wrongly.

Blogger Noah B February 28, 2015 5:02 PM  

"The fallacy of the false dilemma. The choice wasn't to fight wrongly or not fight at all."

Really? Because it seems like you're getting your panties in a wad over a cartoon, which on the spectrum of warfare is basically the equivalent of not fighting at all.

Anonymous Lowly Lurker February 28, 2015 5:07 PM  

I pretty much stopped having anything to do with GG after the "moderates" took over on 8chan and elsewhere. /pol/ is the only place there that knows what's up besides a few people on /v/ (who probably frequent both places). It gets old being called a shill or tenbux or whatever else the little Reddit bastards come up with to discredit anyone against their "strategy" to not offend.

I don't see them as moderates at all. They're Leftists that see themselves as less Left than the enemy. They still toe the line on feminism and pretty much say NAWALT and that 3rd wave is the only bad feminism.

I'll root for what GG has accomplished, but fuck the current crop. IMO it got its balls chopped off way back in November by the influx of these "moderates".

Anonymous Eric the Red February 28, 2015 5:22 PM  

VD: '"We should be better than them" is their battle cry. They love to show that they are "better" than the other side by preemptively surrendering and refusing to fight back. Which, of course, is why they reliably lose.'

That is absolutely correct, but damn me, it also perfectly expresses each and every doormat Christian who has had the temerity to infest these blogs. Their first response starts with Bible quotes and loving kindness, but inevitably retreats to the position that we all have to wait for the Second Coming of Christ before they think we should be allowed to actively resist SJW's and all the other cultural marxists out there who perpetrate evil. And by active resistance I mean guns and ammunition, without waiting for the State's midnight breaking down my door.

Damn it, what is wrong with Christianity today? It has become wussified up the ying-yang. It will accomplish nothing. It will roll over in the face of evil, and pretend its sacrifice is meaningful. But just as a little reminder, The Roman Empire didn't formally turn to Christianity while all the neophyte Christians were being eaten by lions. It became Christianized when Constantine won the damn Battle of the Milvian Bridge after seeing a sign in the sky. Furthermore, Christ was no shrinking violet... every day of His ministry he deliberately confronted authority, challenged it, and fought with it, sometimes literally as with the money changers at the Temple. I swear, with Christianity in the flaccid state it is in now, the Lord will spit them out of His mouth for being lukewarm if and when the Second Coming every does actually come.

Anonymous Eric the Red February 28, 2015 5:26 PM  

VD: '"We should be better than them" is their battle cry. They love to show that they are "better" than the other side by preemptively surrendering and refusing to fight back. Which, of course, is why they reliably lose.'

That is absolutely correct, but damn me, it also perfectly expresses each and every doormat Christian who has had the temerity to infest these blogs. Their first response starts with Bible quotes and loving kindness, but inevitably retreats to the position that we all have to wait for the Second Coming of Christ before they think we should be allowed to actively resist SJW's and all the other cultural marxists out there who perpetrate evil. And by active resistance I mean guns and ammunition, without waiting for the State to break down my door at midnight.

Damn it, what is wrong with Christianity today? It has become wussified up the ying-yang. It will accomplish nothing. It will roll over in the face of evil, and pretend its sacrifice is meaningful. But just as a little reminder, The Roman Empire didn't formally turn to Christianity while all the neophyte Christians were being eaten by lions. It became Christianized when Constantine won the damn Battle of the Milvian Bridge after seeing a sign in the sky. Furthermore, Christ was no shrinking violet... every day of His ministry he deliberately confronted authority, challenged it, and fought with it, sometimes literally as with the money changers at the Temple. I swear, with Christianity in the flaccid state it is in now, the Lord will spit them out of His mouth for being lukewarm if and when the Second Coming every does actually come.

Blogger Daniel February 28, 2015 5:27 PM  

How the hell is it fat shaming to put a BBW in an ad anyway? It is fat-shaming to say that a curvy person who is differently-weighted doesn't belong in an ad. Not ever anti-gamergaters can be like Brianna Wu and trim ounces from near his waist.

This ad should be praised for its inclusive stance. So brave!

Blogger Daniel February 28, 2015 5:29 PM  

Lowly Lurker, what is that supposed to be, ironic ragequit?

Anonymous Albert February 28, 2015 5:30 PM  

The underwear _is_ magic. It is known.

Anonymous Salt February 28, 2015 5:46 PM  

Proverbs 24:17,18 says: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

Yeah? So you wanna quote Biblical? Well I see SJWs as Amalekites... engage at every opportunity.

Anonymous Lowly Lurker February 28, 2015 5:46 PM  

Daniel said: ironic ragequit

What's ironic about it? Should I feel bad for not wanting to be stabbed in the back by Leftist faggots that subvert what I was fighting for?

And I said I've been out of it for a while. Just wanted to rant. I'm glad Vox is talking about them. I don't see much discussion about them and their pussyfooting around outside of /pol/.

Anonymous CK February 28, 2015 6:03 PM  

"No SJW would be caught dead with this lovely hair."

Yeah they forgot the tats,piercings and frumpy clothing.

Anonymous CK February 28, 2015 6:12 PM  

But Vox did get the neon pink hair right. The SJW skanks usually wear darker clothing too. With some sort lanyard/ keys chain hanging out of their pocket. Hats, tats on arms etc...

Blogger Daniel February 28, 2015 6:13 PM  

Should I feel bad for not wanting to be stabbed in the back by Leftist faggots that subvert what I was fighting for?

For quitting out of fear? Yes. You should feel bad about that. Leaving the field for them to subvert your stuff is surrender.

Anonymous CK February 28, 2015 6:52 PM  

Oh yeah Vox don't forget the black highwater stretch pants. They wear them too.

Blogger Akulkis February 28, 2015 7:05 PM  

"I'll root for what GG has accomplished, but fuck the current crop. IMO it got its balls chopped off way back in November by the influx of these "moderates"."

What's a moderate? An example is a RINO... a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.

Blogger grendel February 28, 2015 7:12 PM  

Gamma moderatist concern trolls. I've seen this for 20 years in churches, I just didn't know what it was called. Guys so worried about being perceived as mean that they are useless pussies. Blind to the fact that men and women alike despise their weakness.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 28, 2015 7:37 PM  

The longer we engage in a behavior the more it becomes a part of us and correspondently harder to get rid of.

Ah, so best not to spend any more time surrending and begging for a posting as Junior Assistant Quisling then. Unless of course that's what you want.

And by your own reasoning, a quick, brutal war is far better than a drawn-out, half-hearted effort that drags on for a generation or more with both sides sniping and back-stabbing. Fight hard and get it over with.

Anonymous HalibetLector February 28, 2015 8:13 PM  

Leaving the field for them to subvert your stuff is surrender.

There are other forms of resistance than whatever GamerGate is. Voting with your dollars and voicing your opinion are by far the most effective methods, not feigning allegiance to a twitter hashtag.

Anonymous Rabbi B February 28, 2015 8:16 PM  

“. . . they don't want to take on the enemy directly because they're conflict-avoidant and after all, the enemy might shoot back . . . So, they suddenly become "strategists" and experts in coming up with ways to prevent anyone from actually doing anything.”

ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY NAILED IT.

They are gutless and nutless, afraid to take the arrows, but happy to remain in the shadows while you do, waiting to see what direction the battle takes. They will feign taking a stand so long as they can avoid encountering the derision and disdain that so often follows in the wake of those who are taking a real stand.

I can’t begin to tell how many of these types I have encountered over the twenty plus years of serving in the capacity of clergy. I have even been burned by having placed some of these people in trusted leadership positions, thinking they had my back no matter what, only to later suffer some of the consequences of their duplicity and my naiveté. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . .

They love to give off the aura that they are ‘above the fray’ and that people will eventually come to the conclusions they knew were right all along before anyone else did. Even if they never actually say the words, they live for the “I told you so” moments. These people are animated by the spirit of Absalom who want nothing more than to curry favor with the masses while surreptitiously undermining and betraying the very ones to whom they owe their unfettered loyalty and devotion in order to preserve and protect themselves.

Base, conniving, calculating, and shameless opportunists, remaining aloof, above the fray, and in the shadows, until circumstances fall out in such a way so as to make it obvious to us principled dimwits that everyone should have listened to them since they had all the answers in the first place. After all, they were the only ones who demonstrated the sagacity to allow things to simply take their course since they knew it was only a matter of time until their ‘expertise’ and grand ‘strategizing’ would not only be vindicated, but revered.

Moderates don’t have the courage to be loyal and they are the last people I want next to me in a foxhole. We really don’t have much use for such people, except to use them as sandbags to steady our aim and protect us from the occasional stray bullet. For me, I would prefer to go it alone with a thousand arrows sticking out of my chest than to associate with people who, when things get uncomfortable or begin to go a little sideways, prove to be nothing more than summer soldiers and sunshine patriots with ten thousand arrows sticking out of their sorry asses.

I know have posted this here before, but I think it bears repeating:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat” (Theodore Roosevelt, Speech at the Sarbonne, 1910).

It’s no mystery who the cold and timid are among us. I don’t need them in the arena, and neither does G-d. If my memory serves, I think the Bible has something to say about the future of the ‘m-m-moderates’ a.k.a. the lukewarm.

Anonymous Daniel February 28, 2015 9:02 PM  

There are other forms of resistance than whatever GamerGate is.

Irrelevant. If Lurker can't hold his ground in an easy stand like GG for fear of SJWs "subverting" him, he's clearly a surrender-monkey-in-waiting for the more "effective" forms of resistance.

I mean, seriously? "I believed in fighting SJWs until the SJWs took over my stuff" is really amusing. What it isn't is courage. (That's my paraphrase, by the way - not a phony quote of lurker. Just to be clear.)

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 28, 2015 9:03 PM  

The odd and glorious thing about GamerGate, is that for once it doesn't feel like we are losing.

For all of my life, I've watched our side losing the culture war.

But now in this backwater mop up operation called Core Gaming, the inexorable, all conquering left has run into the walls of Vienna. We're not losing this one. Not yet.

Not unless we listen to voices of the well meaning moderates.

There is a time to listen to the better angels of our nature. When your back is to the wall isn't one of them.

Anonymous Toby Temple February 28, 2015 9:21 PM  

What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?

Aren't you a Calvinist? Let God's will be done.

Anonymous HalibetLector February 28, 2015 9:32 PM  

Irrelevant.

Who says you get to decide what's relevant? You can't even tell that you're shooting at somebody who fundamentally agrees with you and has the guts to say so.

Blogger Josh February 28, 2015 9:37 PM  

Aren't you a Calvinist? Let God's will be done.

Thread winner

Blogger wrf3 February 28, 2015 9:59 PM  

Toby Temple: Aren't you a Calvinist? Let God's will be done.

It will be. Just ask Jonah, who was all ready for Nineveh to be destroyed and was angry at God when He spared them. "And should I not be concerned about Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also many animals?"


Anonymous Harsh February 28, 2015 10:08 PM  

I see wrf3 is showing his true colors again. Bring out the big guns, gamma boy. This should be amusing.

Anonymous Daniel February 28, 2015 10:28 PM  

Who says you get to decide what's relevant? You can't even tell that you're shooting at somebody who fundamentally agrees with you and has the guts to say so

No he doesn't fundamentally agree with me. He runs from the fight he claims to care about, and that I actually do. That, my good man, is a fundamental disagreement.

It is not irrelevant because I decide so. It is irrelevant because it is not relevant to the exercise of GamerGate.

Do stay on topic.

Blogger JACIII February 28, 2015 10:39 PM  

"The longer we engage in a behavior the more it becomes a part of us and correspondently harder to get rid of."
You mean the behavior of attacking an enemy that has been attacking us for decades? They called down the thunder; it's on them if the storm doesn't stop until they are blown away.

Anonymous Anubis February 28, 2015 11:28 PM  

"One thing I've learned about Mormons in the last two years is that they are remarkably unflappable. Must be the underpants"
I thought it was their T-shirts that where magical.

"But when the work is done, when the enemies surrender, that is when we feed them and give them something to drink. Both an act of mercy and an act of domination."

The right goes to easy on the left whenever they win a battle. They are willing to accept "yea you caught us doing voter fraud in battleground TX, you don't mind if we keep all this illegally acquired info & benefits of our wrongdoing?"

Blogger Markku March 01, 2015 12:22 AM  

Why fat-shaming, neurotic-shaming and batshit-crazy-shaming? To cow them. To make them too embarrassed about themselves to open their mouths. And to make those few that still do, become laughingstocks.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2015 12:29 AM  

The pretty lie that fat is beautiful costs millions of young women the opportunity to find a suitable mate in what would otherwise be the prime years of their attractiveness. That this lie is promulgated in churches throughout the land is just fine with the "moderates".

"Fat-shaming" (feminist frame, courtesy of the Lord of Lies himself), which in this case is nothing more than illustrating for these young women the truth of how they come across to others, particularly those young men they hope to attract, for the purpose of bringing to their attention that their obesity (as well, in this case, as their attitude) is costing them untold happiness is, on the other hand, considered "nasty" and out of bounds. Got it.

Blogger Markku March 01, 2015 12:31 AM  

We thought they were too pathetic human beings that they could do any harm, ever. We thought we could treat them with benevolent superiority, because they'd be so far below us functional ones in power. This turned out, amazingly, to not be the case.

So, now we must treat them as a real enemy. They have already shown what they can accomplish.

Anonymous HalibetLector March 01, 2015 12:55 AM  

Do stay on topic.

From the post itself...

Bloody moderates. Always concern-trolling, always thought-policing, always preferring to shoot at their own side than the other one.

Did I miss something? What I addressed is the topic. You're the guy who inadvertently proves the point of the post. Congrats.

He runs from the fight he claims to care about

Show me where he says that. GamerGate is a twitter hashtag and is only a very small piece to the bigger fight. So, instead of convincing him he can make a difference, you demean and belittle a potential ally. Good job. You do the fight you claim to care about proud.

That, my good man, is a fundamental disagreement.

It's a disagreement about tactics, not the topic itself (GamerGate). But you already knew that, which makes choosing to disagree about it sophistry of the worst sort.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 01, 2015 3:01 AM  

Cataline Sergius: "For all of my life, I've watched our side losing the culture war.

But now in this backwater mop up operation called Core Gaming, the inexorable, all conquering left has run into the walls of Vienna. We're not losing this one. Not yet.

Not unless we listen to voices of the well meaning moderates."

It's as easy as deaf men sailing past sirens. Except that the song of the social justice warriors is whiny and repulsive, not beautiful and seductive.

If those who are tempted to come to the rescue of social justice warriors will just put off that impulse to another incarnation, nature will take her course, in our favor.

It's so sweet.

Blogger Vox March 01, 2015 4:37 AM  

We'll see if this lives through either moderation or the filter.

It won't. Read the Rules of the Blog. You can criticize another commenter. You can disagree with him. But it's not acceptable to attack another commenter in the vulgar way you have chosen to do so.

It will be.

It will be? Surely you mean "it has been"! Look, my good Calvinist, according to you ALL of my actions are fully in accordance with God's Will. Think twice before you criticize them.

Anonymous Gary March 01, 2015 6:44 AM  

"You mean the behavior of attacking an enemy that has been attacking us for decades? "

This.

Most people are unaware of this state of affairs, just like some seem to think the muzzies are not at war with western civilization. As I grow older I see the evidence more and more clearly.

As far as I'm concerned fire with all weapons at our disposal. These people have done everything in their power to burn down one of the greatest nations on earth.

If it was up to me there would not be enough rope to go around. They want you dead and your way of life destroyed. Why go after them with kid gloves on? Block them and stop them at every opportunity. Punish them if you get the chance, they would to you without a second thought.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 01, 2015 7:14 AM  

Gary: "These people have done everything in their power to burn down one of the greatest nations on earth."

Which one? And why did they refrain from attacking other white nations around the world?

Anonymous Gary March 01, 2015 7:19 AM  

"Which one? And why did they refrain from attacking other white nations around the world?"

United States. What makes you think they have not been attacking other nations?

UK isn't looking to hot either.



Blogger njartist March 01, 2015 8:34 AM  

"Damn it, what is wrong with Christianity today?"

Most Christians do not live by or at least try to live by biblical principles. Most cannot fight effectively because they do not seek or fight for sound biblical doctrine: they consider someone to be a Christian only if they attend church; but keeping sound doctrine may mean not attending the modern "church."

Also, how many churchians understand Christianity is not a comfortable existence.

Blogger njartist March 01, 2015 8:38 AM  

@ Toby Temple February 28, 2015 9:21 PM

What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?

Aren't you a Calvinist? Let God's will be done.


Good sniping at your own side. but then, if you don't consider bible based doctrine as being on your side, you are part of the problem.

Anonymous Gary March 01, 2015 8:52 AM  

"What turns the "nasty" off once the war is over?"

As someone else pointed out, my first thought was Japan and Germany.

Seemed to work out pretty well.

Blogger Desiderius March 01, 2015 9:23 AM  

Markku,

"We thought we could treat them with benevolent superiority, because they'd be so far below us functional ones in power."

Yeah, that's the game. Hubris.

Blogger wrf3 March 01, 2015 12:34 PM  

Vox wrote: It will be? Surely you mean "it has been"!

Surely I mean, "it has been", "it is", and "it will be." Since God is outside time, our time-based language has its deficiencies.

Look, my good Calvinist, according to you ALL of my actions are fully in accordance with God's Will. Think twice before you criticize them.

David's actions were in accordance with God's will when he unlawfully took Bathsheba, but so were Nathan's when he criticized the King with "you are the man!"

Assyria's actions were in accordance with God's will when He used them as the rod of His anger against Israel. Yet He also said, "When the Lord has finished all his work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, he will punish the arrogant boasting of the king of Assyria and his haughty pride."

The issue isn't "fight or don't fight." It never has been and your binary thinking on the matter is really quite curious. The issue is how one fights. If one fights for the King of Assyria, one might be happy when dashing an infant's head against a rock. One might relish in cruelty, shame, and other assorted barbarisms. If one fights for the King of Glory, then one's methods will be quite different.

Who are you fighting for, Vox?

Anonymous Heaviside March 01, 2015 5:23 PM  

>As someone else pointed out, my first thought was Japan and Germany.

>Seemed to work out pretty well.

Japan and Germany remain occupied to this day.

http://abundanthope.net/artman2/uploads/1/Other_Losses_4.pdf

http://www.partiradicaldefrance.com/Crimes%20And%20Mercies%20-%20The%20Fate%20Of%20German%20Civilians%20Under%20Allied%20Occupation%201944-1950%20-%20James%20Bacque.pdf

Germany does not even have a sovereign government. It is run by a private corporation.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=8201718

http://justice4germans.com/2014/11/19/leading-german-journalist-admits-cia-routinely-bribed-him-germany-is-a-colony-of-the-usa/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Information_Agency

http://www.freesweden.net/strange.html

WWII isn't over. All that was accomplished on "VE Day" was the surrender of the German armed forces. The Allies had Doenitz, the legitimate head of state, in their custody, but they did not have him sign a peace treaty which would have allowed for the continuation of the German government. Instead, they arrested all of the members of the German government and imposed the rule of a foreign administration. The German people do not even have a Constitution, but a "Basic Law" which was imposed by fiat. The Allies never annexed Germany, or signed a peace treaty which would have allowed for territorial concessions to be made, so the Weimar Republic is still the legitimate authority within its 1937 borders.

If WWII was over, there would be no need for the continued military occupation of Europe, especially after the fall of communism.

If WWII was over, there would be no need for Articles 53 and 107 of the United Nations Charter, which allow for unlimited enforcement action against members of the Axis.

If WWII was over, it would not be necessary to compare everyone who is an obstacle to US foreign policy objectives to Hitler. It would not be necessary to continue fill the mass media with blatant propaganda regarding national socialism, and a conflict which supposedly ended 70 years ago.

However, no war lasts forever. Eventually, even this one will be brought to a definitive conclusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CfWAfmRHZw

Anonymous Toby Temple March 01, 2015 6:22 PM  

Who are you fighting for, Vox?

When every action made by mankind is for the greater glory of God?

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Blogger Akulkis March 01, 2015 7:50 PM  

"Which one? And why did they refrain from attacking other white nations around the world?"

Um, they didn't start attacking the U.S. until leaving Europe, from the Arctic Sea to the Medeterranian in smoking ruins.

Anonymous VD March 01, 2015 8:14 PM  

The issue isn't "fight or don't fight." It never has been and your binary thinking on the matter is really quite curious. The issue is how one fights. If one fights for the King of Assyria, one might be happy when dashing an infant's head against a rock. One might relish in cruelty, shame, and other assorted barbarisms. If one fights for the King of Glory, then one's methods will be quite different.

No, wrf3, there is no issue at all. If every action is God's Will, then nothing matters and do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law. Your perverse theology is quite literally Crowleyesque.

Anonymous Daniel March 01, 2015 10:12 PM  

It's a disagreement about tactics...

Yes, the tactic to cede the field to the SJW when he takes it. Had lurker written, "I left 8chan because I've got limited time and I didn't see the point there..." that's one thing. But when he says he jumped in in favor of GG's objectives, but got pushed out by SJW entryists he's saying he quit because he's afraid of what they might say about him.

For him to portray it as something other than cowardice is a mistake. I have zero problem with people who don't want to get involved, zero problem with people who can't stay involved for a huge number of reasons, zero problem with people who take on the SJWs and lose.

The guy who tells me he entered the fray for his ideals, and then left out of fear of losing, and then justifies it? That guy? I'm going to clarify things for him. He's not the sort of ally I would trust to guard the latrine, much less the last scrap of free civilization.

I'm perfectly happy for him to come back on and tell me that I misunderstood him. That he quit at the point of engagement because the only people in the room were SJWs and he didn't have the time and resources to take the room over by himself. That he quit because he was getting bogged down trolling SJWs instead of primarily making a case for the wider public. That he quit because he found a bigger theater of war. That he quit for any other reason than the fear that "faggots might stab him in the back."

Because if that's your reason for not taking on the SJWs, you will be sitting on the sidelines for a long, long, time. Fear of being stabbed in the back, in fact, is what has led to the last redoubt in the first place. Defeatist do-nothings we will always have with us.

Just don't ask me to call them allies.

Blogger Markku March 02, 2015 12:01 AM  

Absolutely agree. That was not merely cowardice, it was aggressive cowardice. Pride of being a quitter. The enemy pulled the move to which we have always lost, because we are a bunch of pathetic quitters. And his response to this immensely predictable move is to quit pre-emptively. This response is to be mocked, not wooed. He is lost, but someone else watching it might not be.

Blogger Akulkis March 02, 2015 1:13 AM  

less aggressive cowardice than arrogant, pride-filled cowardice, using shaming against non-cowards cover.

This is no different from the cowards who want gun-control -- not because they fear they'll get attacked by a lawful pistol owner .. but because every time a lawful pistol owner thwarts an attacker or brings some violence to a halt, the coward feels shame knowing that he would NEVER have the guts to do the same thing... so, as a remedy, he wants all of these people who trigger his shame response to not have the legal option to act heroically, because he knows he will NEVER be able worthy to even lick the boots of heroes.

Anonymous bw March 02, 2015 7:50 AM  

Does she glory in her fatness or did she really not realize it was VERTICAL stripes she be needin?

Blogger wrf3 March 02, 2015 9:44 AM  

Vox wrote: If every action is God's Will, then nothing matters

Except that that isn't what God says. He says it matters.

and do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law.

That's correct when it's coupled with the fact that God crucifies us with Christ, raises us with Him, and pours His love into our hearts. This is why St. Paul says, "Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery; You shall not murder; You shall not steal; You shall not covet'; and any other commandment, are summed up in this word, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Your perverse theology is quite literally Crowleyesque.

"A cruelty artist for Jesus" is Gaffiganesque.

Blogger S1AL March 02, 2015 1:26 PM  

I have to wonder what Calvinists do with 2 Peter 3:8-10...

And are you being deliberately obtuse or do you not get the humor in the subtitle?

Anonymous Theta Otter March 02, 2015 5:50 PM  

Consider two goals:

A. Overawe large groups of low-status/independence/intellegence enemy and convince them you are the strong horse.

B. Persuade small groups of high-s/i/i enemy and convince them that joining you is right (morally/expediently/whatever).

If you're just talking about battlefront A, fine. But your moves are wrong on battlefront B, and lots of people recognize this, and it bothers them.

My theory* is: A and B are independent. You can, and should, have A & B operations in parallel. You just can't run them on the same blog, because they clash. B-inclined people concern-troll in part because they know B is an important battlefront, and they don't know any better. Rather than telling B-people they're sniveling faggot concern-trolls, tell them to start their own blogs where they say "Obviously, Vox is an inflammatory dickhead, but he's fundamentally correct. Let's explore this in more detail...[genteel discussion follows]"

*I don't think I know well enough to say "What these people don't realize is..."

Blogger CM March 02, 2015 9:36 PM  

Proverbs 24:17,18 says: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

Why can't this be like Aramis who fights with skill and assertiveness but signs the cross over their dead body lying in a pool of blood he let flow?

Why does not rejoicing in their fall = not fighting?

Blogger Markku March 03, 2015 5:44 AM  

Yep. The first priority should be winning. The second priority, or perhaps the tenth priority, is not being gleeful about it. And that is because we are meant for peace, not war. Psychologically, we should treat the state of war as a temporary, unfortunate state of affairs that we need to survive, with our psyches reasonably intact to be functional in a permanent era of peace.

But winning is still the first priority. If options are to not win, or to not be gleeful, you choose winning.

Anonymous Discard March 03, 2015 2:21 PM  

Theta Otter: So, if I understand you correctly, when the Atlantic Monthly ran a long article about (Imagine that!), the connection between Section 8 housing vouchers and the redistribution of crime from the ghetto to the neighborhoods where the Section 8ers were moved ((Shocking!), they were really a parallel "B" operation under the aegis of Paul Kersey of Stuff Black People Don't Like?

I like it.

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