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Friday, February 06, 2015

Yeah, THAT'S the problem

This is why the self-styled anti-racists can never be trusted. They would rather permit your daughters to be raped than admit to the fact of genetics-based behavioral differences:
Dozens of men were yesterday charged with a wide range of sex crimes against vulnerable girls after two separate police investigations. Following a ‘milestone’ operation by Northumbria Police, 20 suspects appeared in court to face charges including rape, sexual assault and sex trafficking.

The alleged offences involved 12 victims, including one girl who was aged just 13, with officers vowing to continue their investigation into the abuse of vulnerable children.

In a separate case, 25 men from Halifax, West Yorkshire, were charged with a number of historic and child-related sex offences. Almost all of the men in both cases are from Asian backgrounds, prompting police leading one of the cases to warn that far-Right groups may use the issue to stir up racial tension.
The issue SHOULD stir up racial tension. This is merely the latest in a very long line of evidence that strongly indicates different cultures cannot successfully live together peacefully over time. And contra those who attempt to hide racial differences behind cultural differences, culture is a product of human genetics.

Whether one subscribes to the theory of evolution by natural selection or some form of creationist intervention, both the science and logic of genetic differences is inescapable. And it is not "racist" to be scientifically and logically correct with regards to these matters, as the superiority of one race completely depends upon one's perspective and favored metrics.

It cannot be denied that if rape, sexual assault, and sex trafficking are the metrics, the Asian population of Great Britain is absolutely superior to the English population. It is only racist if one argues that this factual observation is evidence of Asian racial superiority.

RACISM: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- Oxford Dictionary

The definition most usefully serves to demonstrate the intrinsic idiocy of the concept; it is limited to binary thinkers and is not even relevant to those who are capable of thinking in probabilistic terms. Indeed, anyone who thinks in probabilistic terms cannot possibly be considered racist, given that no one who does so is going to be inclined to believe that "all members of each race" possesses virtually any characteristic in common.

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Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 6:55 AM  

culture is a product of human genetics.

Or a bi-product, making it less ridged or open to analysis as you appear to make it.

Almost all of the men in both cases are from Asian backgrounds

In this Grand theory, blacks were the aggressive ones. Asians are only good at math. So, this is evidence simply of some men deciding they can rape better together, their race is no more a feature than the cars they chose to drive.

From what I recall, the research shows that most rapists choose to rape within their own racial demographic. And this would make sense given the likelihood of greater reproductive success, and therfore greater attraction.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 6:56 AM  

But they were invited!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 06, 2015 7:02 AM  

It wouldn't take much inquiry or investigation of the "Asians" to find that they are brimming with racial hate, then it wouldn't take much to link them to the Left and the SJW kooks. Maybe these "Asian" men think they are improving women like Scalzi thinks he improves women.

Anonymous Porphyry February 06, 2015 7:10 AM  

If you don't like being raped by a white man, this is clearly the fault of white culture, and every male within 20 miles of your body needs to be emotionally sterilized. If you dont like being raped by a black man you clearly haven't been raped hard enough or long enough with enough peer pressure. Thank the astrological powers that Im not a participant of that society.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 7:15 AM  

@NH do present your grand theory.

"Asian" is British newspeak for Muslim, typically Pakistani. Their papers use it much like ours use "youths". Neither group is known for its mathematical prowess.

How, exactly does preying upon women who share a background with them make their behavior more tolerable? Further, I would expect you to be able to show that such a pattern is due to choice and not mere proximity if you want to employ such a theory.

OpenID cailcorishev February 06, 2015 7:18 AM  

Yes, if there's any racial tension, it will definitely be because "far-Right groups" stirred it up, not because ordinary people reacted reasonably to a horrible crime.

OpenID cailcorishev February 06, 2015 7:27 AM  

When a policeman comes before the cameras and suggests that the biggest concern after a crime like this is making sure the commoners don't succumb to any of the racism they surely have lurking in their hearts, the commoners should make it their mission to get rid of that policeman -- perhaps through legal channels involving the impeachment of his political masters, perhaps in a more direct way right there at the podium. It's clear that that policeman and his bosses have other interests that supersede serving and protecting the populace.

It's past time that this kind of blaming the victims to keep them subdued became unacceptable.

Anonymous Rhys February 06, 2015 7:38 AM  

A list of those charged:

- Eisa Mousavi, 39, of Todds Nook, Newcastle has been charged with sexual assault by touching on a female 13 or over; intimidating a witness/juror/person assisting the investigation; rape of a female aged 16 or over; supplying or offering to supply a class B controlled drug; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Monjur Choudhury, 30, of Philip Place, Newcastle has been charged with permit use of premises for supply of drugs; supply or offer to supply class B controlled drugs; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Redwan Siddquee, 30, of West Road, Newcastle has been charged with causing or inciting prostitution for gain; supply or offering to supply a class B controlled drug.

- Mohammed Hassan Ali, 32, of Bentinck Street, Newcastle has been charged with a sexual act on a female and possession of mephadrone with intent to supply.

- Abdulhamid Minoyee, 31, of Gainsbrough Grove, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female aged 16 or over; supply or offer to supply cannabis; sexual assault by touching a female 13 or over.

- Ebrahim Ali, 38, of Wetherby Grove, Gateshead has been charged with supply or offer to supply a class B controlled drug; supply or offer to supply a class A controlled drug; trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation; arrange child prostitution; rape of a female aged 16 or over.

- Habibur Rahim, 32, of Kenilworth Road, Newcastle has been charged with sexual assault by touching a female 13 or over; administering a substance with intent; sexual assault by touching a female 13 or over; supply or offering to supply a class B controlled drug; supply or offer to supply cannabis; trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Ibrahim Rousel, 34, of Manor Gardens, Wardley has been charged with rape of a female aged 16 or over and administering a substance with intent.

- Mohammed Khalique, 22, of Beaconsfield Street, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female aged 16 or over; supply or offer to supply a class B controlled drug.

Blogger Rek. February 06, 2015 7:41 AM  

I've been toying with the following reflection for a couple of days now. Firstly, since culture is the product of our genome, a phenotype if you will, what does that say about religion? To what extent is religion merely another form of behavior and racial difference?

Secondly, Christianity being the product of the Hebraic tradition, how suited is it to the Caucasian/European race?

I am a Caucasian Christian. I have my doubts, as any practicing Christian could and looking into racial differences, IQ and genes really gets you thinking.

Anonymous Rhys February 06, 2015 7:42 AM  

Continued:


- Mohammed Azram, 33, of Croydon Road, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female aged 16 or over; supply of mephadrone; supply or offer to supply a class B controlled drug; sexual assault by touching a female aged 13 or over; trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Nadeem Aslam, 41, of Belle Grove West, Newcastle has been charged with possession of cannabis; possession of mephadrone; supply of mephadrone; permit the use of premises for supply of drugs; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Prabhat Nelli, 31, Corporation Road, Newcastle has been charged with supply or offer to supply a class B drug and causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Taherul Alam, 29, of Normanton Terrace, Newcastle has been charged with supply or offer to supply a class B controlled drug; permit the use of premises to supply drugs; sexual assault by touching on a female 13 or over; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Yassar Hussain, 25, of Canning Street, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female aged 16 or over; permit the use of premises to supply drugs; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; possession of mephadrone; possession of amphetamine; causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Jahangir Zaman, 41, of Hadrian Road, Newcastle has been charged with supply or offer to supply a class B controlled drug and causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Badrul Hussain, 34, of Drybeck Court, has been charged with rape of a female aged under 16; supply of mephadrone; permit the use of a premises to supply drugs and causing or inciting prostitution for gain.

- Abdul Sabe, 37, of Dean House, Newcastle has been charged with possession of cannabis; trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation; non-penatrative sexual activity with a girl 13 to 15; supply or offer to supply cannabis; sexual assault by touching a female 13 or over and administering a substance with intent.

- Karzan Mohammed, 23, of Graingerville South, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female under 16; falsely imprison/detain another; supply or offer to supply cannabis; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; administering a substance with intent; rape of a female aged 16 or over and trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation.

- Saiful Islam, 32, of Strathmore Crescent, Newcastle has been charged with rape of a female aged under 16 and supply or offer to supply cannabis.

- Nashir Uddin, 33, of Joan Street, Newcastle has been charged with supply or offer to supply a class A controlled drug; supply of mephadrone; permit the use of premises for supply of drugs; rape of a female under 16; causing or inciting prostitution for gain; failing to surrender to custody/respond to bail.

- A 34-year-old man, from Newcastle, has received a summons in relation to a sexual assault and administering a substance with intent.


Source: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/northumbria-police-charged-20-people-8587632

These men don't sound very 'Asian' and some readers may have the wrong idea as to who they really are.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 February 06, 2015 7:43 AM  

shooting at DNA isn't going to win any culture wars.
You can quote me on that. Infact tattoo it on the inside of each eyelid.
Bastards are bastards: whether they're MENSA bastards in Forbes editorials or trailer trash bastards doesn't change the color of rape - merely who's getting away with more of it.
Fear of the Lord. Without which Negro Spirituals would not have been written. VD Revelations refutes you. Every tongue tribe race on Earth will have delegates in Heaven.

Anonymous JW February 06, 2015 7:48 AM  

Gotta love the "far right" meme. On a scale of one to ten on the far right scale, how far right are these far right groups?

Anonymous Susan February 06, 2015 7:52 AM  

After following this subject on Breitbart's Big London site, I have come to the conclusion that the shocking thing here is that the police actually did something about these criminals.

In the case of the community of Rotherham, the police were actually complicit in not only covering this behavior up, but actually threatening police action on the parents of the girls who were being assaulted by these muslims.

I know that technically, Pakis and the like are from the "Asian" continent, but the media is using the term to not only hide the horrible criminal behavior of the muslims, but they are stirring up their own racial pot against what society considers actual Asians.

The cover up of these crimes against British girls goes not only from the local authority level, but all the way up to the Met and Parliament.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet February 06, 2015 7:54 AM  

Stilicho

@NH do present your grand theory.

The folk-biology of race profiling. Asians are the best at math.

"Asian" is British newspeak for Muslim, typically Pakistani. Their papers use it much like ours use "youths". Neither group is known for its mathematical prowess.

I was unaware of this. It appears Rhys supplies some of the needed information. While it does disbar my "Asian math" quip, it's not exactly relevant to my criticism that they be Muslim outside of the fact that Muslim isn't even a race.

How, exactly does preying upon women who share a background with them make their behavior more tolerable? Further, I would expect you to be able to show that such a pattern is due to choice and not mere proximity if you want to employ such a theory.

When did I ever say it was more tolerable?

Proximity + folkbiology based on sight = in-grouping. You could say this happens across all sorts of similarities, from the cars people drive to the basketball teams they support. However, I doubt anyone here would claim those are genetically based aspects of culture.

Anyway, data shows none of this leads to more cross-race rape, as Vox implies.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 06, 2015 8:02 AM  

The Brits inexplicably use 'Asian' to refer to everybody from Beirut to Tokyo. Eventually they'll refer to them as 'Eurasian' or maybe just 'Earthian', as in "an Earthian was charged with rape in Kippers-by-the-Stream today"

Also, I'd venture to say rape depends on proximity, and historically it was how you replaced another groups' genetics with yours.

OpenID cailcorishev February 06, 2015 8:02 AM  

It's interesting that the only picture with that article is a close-up of a man's handcuffed wrists -- a man with hands paler than my Irish/German hands, at their palest here in the dead of winter, who also appears to be wearing a nice suit. It's possible that that's one of the suspects, but I wonder.

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí February 06, 2015 8:05 AM  

@Stilicho "'Asian' is British newspeak for Muslim, typically Pakistani. Their papers use it much like ours use 'youths'. Neither group is known for its mathematical prowess"

But al-gebra! Dark ages! *stomps off in a huff...ington Post*

@Rek "how suited is [Christianity] to the Caucasian/European race?"

A thousand years of discovery, industry, and culture say very. If Christianity tracks to the natural law, then it should be useful to any genetic lineage, presuming a correct interpretation.

Anonymous Harold February 06, 2015 8:16 AM  

Northern Hamlet wrote,
“Or a bi-product, making it less ridged or open to analysis as you appear to make it.”

Good of you to point this out, in case Vox or anyone reading thought there was a one-to-one mapping between genes and culture. Which they might, you know, if they had slightly less intellectual acumen than the rear end of a deceased toad.

Anonymous MrGreenMan February 06, 2015 8:23 AM  

@Northern Hamlet

Nice theories you got there. More likely within their own group? But that's not what's happening. Don't let facts get in your way:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/bruce-bawer/the-truth-about-gang-rape-in-the-u-k/

"Alibhai-Brown wants to be seen as bravely pulling back a curtain on an ugly reality, but her repeated reference to dark-hued men and “white girls,” and her use of that cowardly, dishonest (and, alas, ubiquitous) British euphemism “Asian” is nothing more than a way of skirting the truth – namely, that the “cultural assumptions” at work here aren’t “Asian” – aren’t Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mongolian, or Thai – but Islamic. As she and most of her readers well know, countless Muslim boys are brought up to view infidel females as little more than whores whose “immodest” attire makes them legitimate targets for physical assault. "

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/

"The people of Rotherham know that it is unsafe for a girl to take a taxi-ride from someone with Asian features; they know that Pakistani Muslims often do not treat white girls with the respect that they treat girls from their own community. They know, and have known over fifteen years, that there are gangs of predators on the look-out for vulnerable girls, and that the gangs are for the most part Asian young men who see English society not as the community to which they belong, but as a sexual hunting ground. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QRZ-gcG4Es

100% of Oslo rapes were committed by immigrant males (immigrant meaning from an Islamic country); 90% of the targets were non-Muslim women.


Anonymous MrGreenMan February 06, 2015 8:25 AM  

@NorthernHamlet

"Anyway, data shows none of this leads to more cross-race rape, as Vox implies."

Blog Rule Invocation

Present this data.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus February 06, 2015 8:29 AM  

Asians are only good at math.

In Britain, "Asian" refers to Pakistani, for the most part, but can also extend to other Muslims. The common denominator is "Muslim."

Muslims. You know, the people for whom child rape is apparently a cultural and religious norm?

OpenID genericviews February 06, 2015 8:33 AM  

The way to difuse racial tensions would be if the other "Asians" went to the homes of the bad Asians and burned them out. People don't mind when your foreign customs BENEFIT the community.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 06, 2015 8:39 AM  

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Blogger Tommy Hass February 06, 2015 8:40 AM  

"The way to difuse racial tensions would be if the other "Asians" went to the homes of the bad Asians and burned them out. People don't mind when your foreign customs BENEFIT the community."

There are cops. They have a tendencies to protect the bad guys, esp. in Britain.

I also find it heartening that you talk about genetics.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 06, 2015 8:47 AM  

It's a funny thing. Nature versus Nurture couldn't have been more settled as science.

Mind you, this was science by consensus...and intimidation.

If your beliefs didn't come down on the left side of Nurture, you were clearly and obviously a racist. Once safely labeled as a racist that person's opinions were instantly worthless and that person was of course a pariah. A self reinforcing cycle of smug self-righteousness.

However this is a cycle of self reinforcing dialytics, not facts. As such it has crossed the border from the semi-science of consensus, to an almost out right, cult religion. Complete with a complicated theology (see: Privilege), an incomprehensible liturgy (See:Twitter) and even a corrupt priest(ess)hood (See: Scalzi).

It's no accident that Lysenkoism, has made a roaring come back amongst the fashionably illiterate of Manhattan and Marin County. Just as genetic markers began reliably predicting behavioral probability.

Blogger Outlaw X February 06, 2015 8:48 AM  

From what I recall, the research shows that most rapists choose to rape within their own racial demographic. And this would make sense given the likelihood of greater reproductive success, and therfore greater attraction.

I've heard it all now. Rape by natural selection? I am sure most rapes include the choice of a victim most likely to reproduce and rape is a crime of attraction and healthy offspring.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 8:54 AM  


Anyway, data shows none of this leads to more cross-race rape, as Vox implies.


Let's see the data you refer to here.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 06, 2015 8:55 AM  

"PhillipGeorge(c)2015 February 06, 2015 7:43 AM
shooting at DNA isn't going to win any culture wars.
...
VD Revelations refutes you. Every tongue tribe race on Earth will have delegates in Heaven.
"




With that attitude toward genetic heritage one would think you're an apologist for Pakistani rapists. As if you think it's perfectly fine for them to rape who they want. If not then why are you not sharing the Good News of the Messiah's resurrection with them?

Get the name of the book right, it is Revelation. It is not plural. And Revelation doesn't say a thing about what percentage of each race make it to the kingdom.

Now, for the main message of this blog post which you don't seem to get. The bastards from other countries don't have to live in your country. You have to deal with the bastards in your own family but neither you nor I need any other bastards helping them do evil.

Oh, before I forget. There is one rather large family that will not enter the kingdom, the sons of Satan. Remember the wheat and tares parable? Yeah, there's a crap load of tares.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 8:57 AM  

I know that technically, Pakis and the like are from the "Asian" continent, but the media is using the term to not only hide the horrible criminal behavior of the muslims, but they are stirring up their own racial pot against what society considers actual Asians.

A) I wonder if they are getting any of the Algerians that have infested France; and
B) I wonder if they refer to them as "Asians" as well.

Anonymous Gecko February 06, 2015 9:06 AM  

I get that Vox is not claiming a one to one relation between culture and genetics, but the police in this case are not even rising to the level of blaming culture. I don't see the reason for jumping to the genetic discussion without first establishing cultural blame. I understand reasons for having that discussion with those of us who are already at that point, but I don't think we're Vox's target audience for this piece. Am I off base here?

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 9:08 AM  


I've heard it all now. Rape by natural selection? I am sure most rapes include the choice of a victim most likely to reproduce and rape is a crime of attraction and healthy offspring.


He says he has data to back it up. We're waiting to see it. I'm especially curious how he plans to deal with the observable phenomenon of rape-victim-selection-by-proximity.

Anonymous Giuseppe February 06, 2015 9:13 AM  

I'm curious about the details. Accepting the various points of science you put forth (I can only attest to the IQ argument as it is the only one I studied in any depth, but as I say, accepting the others for the sake of argument at least) what would a planet (continent? Country?) ruled by Vox's ideals look like?

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 9:16 AM  

mrgreenman,

Blog Rule Invocation

Come on, I'm not new here.

Google Scholar is your friend:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02692011
http://m.sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/69/1/71.short

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 9:20 AM  

Some of you are being dense: in-grouping by proximity, not rape choice. And I didn't firmly assert rape is about reproduction, but I don't need to given the immigrant-as-invader meme prevalent here.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 9:27 AM  

Thanks, NH. You've made my point for me.

the racial patterning of rape is most strongly influenced by opportunities for interpersonal contact between whites and blacks. Both the racial composition of a city, representing the pool of rape victims or offenders of a particular race, and the degree of black-white residential segregation emerged as significant predictors of the racial patterning of rape.

In other words, the most reliable predictor of victim identity is proximity to the offenders. So, one would expect that introducing a cultural group that has a demonstrated proclivity for sexual crimes into an area where there are large numbers of another cultural/racial group that is less inclined towards committing such offenses would result in an increase in the sexual crimes committed against the second group.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee February 06, 2015 9:30 AM  

Man! And there I was thinking I was starting to be a racist. Thanks, Oxford Dictionary!

In related hate crime/campus rape epidemic news, the DC elites made sure to have mythomaniac Emma Sulkowicz (aka Mattress Girl) on hand for the State of the Union. No mention of Hannah Graham's survivors being invited. The victim here was too pale in relation to her killer. Also, no mention of the Vanderbilt rape case. This is the one where four football players (three of them black) raped an unconscious woman. Corey Batey, one of the criminals, after violating his victim said, "That's for 300 years of slavery bitch." No word of Eric Holder investigating that as a hate crime.

It's like Silas Lynch got a football scholarship.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 9:30 AM  

Some of you are being dense: in-grouping by proximity, not rape choice.

At this point, who, other than you, is claiming that an argument is being made that these "Asians" were specifically targeting other races?

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 9:30 AM  

Stilicho,

Keep reading:

Finally, we find no evidence that black rapists, given equivalent opportunities to rape a white or a black woman, prefer white victims. In fact, during the course of robberies involving strangers, black men are slightly more likely to rape a black woman than a white woman

Anonymous Anubis February 06, 2015 9:33 AM  

You should include that when the British say Asian they mean 3rd world moslem. This is confusing for Americans because when we say Asian we mean the Asians capable of creating/maintaining civilization. I love how leftists believe every plant and animal on earth evolved from pond scum, but an invisible majik sky man named Equalism stopped evolution in humans at the neck.

Please note that the BNP party leader was thrown in jail for pointing this out and saying that moslems where hanging out in front of schools trying to pick up little girls, I wonder if anyone apologized to him.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 9:35 AM  

and...

Based on analysis of survey data they concluded that black rapists “prefer” or “seek out” white victims and that the likelihood of a black offender selecting a white victim has been increasing during recent years. Data presented here (1977–88 National Crime Surveys) refute the notion that black rapists “prefer” white victims.

Anonymous Alexander February 06, 2015 9:37 AM  

The more time goes on, the more I find myself in agreement with Tom Kratman.

Death by public impalement for every single one of these fellows - both the "Asians" and the British enablers.

Anonymous Sheila February 06, 2015 9:43 AM  

Northern Hamlet,
Cherry picking data does not a rebuttal constitute. MrGreenman already noted to you that 100% of Oslo rapes were perpetrated by Muslim immigrants against White, Norwegian women. The initial post by Vox is regarding rapes all committed by Muslim men against White British women. In the United States, blacks rape at a rate about 5 times that of Whites and Hispanics combined. Almost half their victims are White/Hispanic. The rate of White on black rape is statistically 0.

Notice any patterns here? The only race that seems to confine its rape to its own women (i.e. due to patterns of attraction, as you posit, or proximity, or CULTURE/GENETICS as is the actual case) is White. For more statistics, visit Unamusement Park, which also has a rather informative flyer on why White women ought not to date black men.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 9:46 AM  

NH, the part you quote fails to account for the proximity factor that is the primary conclusion of that study. In other words, "strangers" simply doesn't account for whether those black strangers were slightly more likely to be raped because of proximity or even for another reason (whether a matter of conscious choice or not). Nor does the use of "slightly" as a qualifier engender much confidence in the conclusion (i.e. is it statistically significant?).

More importantly, it is completely irrelevant to the conclusion that introducing a group that is more likely to engage in such crimes into an area where a less-inclined group resides will cause an increase in the number of those crimes committed against the second group. Period.

Rapey group + non-rapey group = more members of non-rapey group getting raped.

Now, show me who around here is claiming that these "Asian" rapists are targeting "non-Asian" victims? They may be engaged in such targeting or someone may be claiming it as it relates to this case, but so far, you are the only one floating that idea as a strawman. In fact, you started the damned thread with it.

Blogger The Deuce February 06, 2015 9:47 AM  

And contra those who attempt to hide racial differences behind cultural differences, culture is a product of human genetics.

Certainly not entirely. Since culture consists in large part of the shared beliefs a group of people tend to have, and the actions that are driven by those beliefs, claiming that it all reduces to genetics is tantamount to saying that beliefs are epiphenomenal or illusory - an affirmation of behaviorism/eliminativism in other words.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia February 06, 2015 9:49 AM  

And by asian, they mean pakistani, a.k.a another of the sub-human sub-species.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 9:50 AM  

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2780040?sid=21105799297303&uid=2&uid=4

"Whatever measures are used, violent crimes are found to be intraracial"

which includes rape in their data.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 9:57 AM  

"Whatever measures are used, violent crimes are found to be intraracial"

Ah, so interracial violent crime, including rape, doesn't exist? Or do you just support apartheid?

You are still trying to build a strawman ("blacks are seeking white victims") argument. You cannot refute the proximity argument, hell the studies you cite support it.

Blogger Vox February 06, 2015 9:58 AM  

Certainly not entirely. Since culture consists in large part of the shared beliefs a group of people tend to have, and the actions that are driven by those beliefs, claiming that it all reduces to genetics is tantamount to saying that beliefs are epiphenomenal or illusory - an affirmation of behaviorism/eliminativism in other words.

Are you saying that culture is NOT AT ALL a product of genetics? Because if you're not, what was the point of your post? It's poor form to take exception to something that someone didn't write.

Blogger Nate February 06, 2015 10:11 AM  

"RACISM: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
- Oxford Dictionary"

I very much appreciate you going with Oxford here. We're communicating in English after all.

Blogger Nate February 06, 2015 10:13 AM  

"Certainly not entirely. Since culture consists in large part of the shared beliefs a group of people tend to have, and the actions that are driven by those beliefs, claiming that it all reduces to genetics is tantamount to saying that beliefs are epiphenomenal or illusory - an affirmation of behaviorism/eliminativism in other words."

oh bloody hell do have to turn everything into Nature vs Nurture? really? Particularly when Nature obviously informs Nurture?

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 10:17 AM  

Stilicho,

Ah, so interracial violent crime, including rape, doesn't exist?

You're missing the point. Rape exists. Yet, rapists don't appear to care about interracing it. Even if I granted blacks raped more often, would it still amount to more rape by whites self-selecting other whites?

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 10:26 AM  

You're missing the point. Rape exists. Yet, rapists don't appear to care about interracing

So what? Even if true,it's irrelevant. Do you contest this statement:

introducing a group that is more likely to engage in such crimes into an area where a less-inclined group resides will cause an increase in the number of those crimes committed against the second group

Anonymous joe doakes February 06, 2015 10:31 AM  

This is not a racial problem, this is a religious conflict in which both the perps and the cops are playing the race card to distract us from the facts MrGreenMan adduced above, and the implications for greater society.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 10:43 AM  

Stilicho,

You didn't answer my question.

Blogger The Deuce February 06, 2015 10:44 AM  

Vox:

Are you saying that culture is NOT AT ALL a product of genetics? Because if you're not, what was the point of your post? It's poor form to take exception to something that someone didn't write.

Fair enough, the implication sounded different. Reminded me of Derb's "Culture is an epiphenomenon / just a word for behavior" bit. I agree that culture is largely a product of genetics and other biologically innate factors.


Nate:

oh bloody hell do have to turn everything into Nature vs Nurture?

You mean me in particular? I've been commenting here for over seven years, and I don't recall having had that conversation before.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 10:46 AM  

Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical.

Even if I granted blacks raped more often, would it still amount to more rape by whites self-selecting other whites?
I don't see how. Those two are unrelated issues.

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Anonymous wEz February 06, 2015 11:03 AM  

I blame Nigel Farage and the RACIST UKIP's!!! How dare they make correlations; multiculturalism is a great thing.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 11:03 AM  

Stilicho,

I don't see how. Those two are unrelated issues

Let's do it this way: forget who rapes more. That's irrelevant. If whites are more likely to choose whites, and blacks, blacks... DEPORTING blacks would result in more whites in proximity... which would mean MORE whites being raped.

Check it:

A hypothetical desegregated neighborhood, 100 blacks and 100 whites. 10 whites rape 9 whites and 1 black. 25 blacks rape 50 blacks and 5 whites.

A hypothetical segregated neighborhood, 200 whites now that there's those empty homes. 20 whites rape 20 whites and 0 blacks. 0 blacks rape 0 blacks and 0 whites.

Anonymous Bz February 06, 2015 11:14 AM  

"Almost all of the men in both cases are from Asian backgrounds, prompting police leading one of the cases to warn that far-Right groups may use the issue to stir up racial tension."

(Innocently) Obviously ONLY the far-right would be upset about something like this.

Anonymous Bz February 06, 2015 11:19 AM  

Why do we have ropes and lamp posts anyway, if we never use them?

Anonymous Working Class Brit February 06, 2015 11:20 AM  

I would just like to point out there's nothing incorrect about the British using the general term "Asians" to describe inhabitants of the Asian continent in general. I'd sooner argue it's the American habit of reserving the general term specifically and exclusively for East Asians which borders on being wrong. The distinction still exists in British English, as we call East Asians "Orientals".

That aside the UK media habit of using this sort of language to (very transparently) mask the ethnic identity of people as if in hopes of diffusing the blame among all the inhabitants of the most populated continent on Earth is disgraceful.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 11:26 AM  

@NH No.

In your example, white rape victims would increase if, and only if, the black population were magically transmuted into whites.

Simply remove the black population and, where before 14 whites were rape victims, now only 10 are rape victims. The removed black population (one must assume that you didn't put them on a "train to Poland") will now have 55 rape victims where before it only had 51.

Why do you hate black people?

Do you contest this statement:

introducing a group that is more likely to engage in such crimes into an area where a less-inclined group resides will cause an increase in the number of those crimes committed against the second group

Blogger frigger611 February 06, 2015 11:27 AM  

Journalists are so very helpful.
I will tell all my female friends to avoid contact with the Japanese. Sushi restaurants are probably just fronts for the planning of their perfidy, used as operations to lure in the unsuspecting.
Fucking Asians, man...
I didn't know so many Japs were named Muhammed and Ibrahim, though. Hmmph. Who knew?
Thanks, UK newsmen!

Anonymous Bz February 06, 2015 11:28 AM  

"A hypothetical desegregated neighborhood, 100 blacks and 100 whites. 10 whites rape 9 whites and 1 black. 25 blacks rape 50 blacks and 5 whites.

A hypothetical segregated neighborhood, 200 whites now that there's those empty homes. 20 whites rape 20 whites and 0 blacks. 0 blacks rape 0 blacks and 0 whites."

Well, note that the rape rate of whites decreases from 14% to 10% at the same time, which hints at an obscured point: the extra 100 whites came from somewhere, which now will have 9-10 less white rapes. The main issue is really whether the 1 white-on-black rape would translate into a white-on-white rape if blacks move away. That would mean a real increase in white rapes.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 06, 2015 11:32 AM  

" Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 11:03 AM
...
Let's do it this way: forget who rapes more. That's irrelevant.
..."



You're a liar, you know it's not irrelevant.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 11:35 AM  

Stilicho,

In your example, white rape victims would increase if, and only if, the black population were magically transmuted into whites.

Incorrect. Take your pick, whites having more babies now that there's more space or our other whites across the river decide to move over now that the blacks are gone and property vales are predicted to rise because of the influx.

Whichever way you slice that one is up to you.

Blogger Feather Blade February 06, 2015 11:35 AM  

The distinction still exists in British English, as we call East Asians "Orientals".

See, in American English it's racist to refer to humans as "Oriental". Apparently that word can only refer to rugs. Go figure.

If you wanted to distinguish between inhabitants of Asia of the Mongoloid phenotype and inhabitants of Asia of the Caucasoid phenotype, you would call them "Eastern Asians: and "Central Asians: respectively.

Which I think gives the PTB a conundrum. They could legitimately refer to the rapists as white, because they are of the Causasoid phenotype. If they did that, however, people would rebel because the rapists are not European Caucasoid, and it would look like more blame heaped on the European for the actions of non-European men.

Anonymous Donn February 06, 2015 11:41 AM  

NH you are either stupid or a liar. Removing the black rapists does not magically transmute whites into rapists. The numbers do not increase only the percentage. If we removed all blacks from the US murders would drop by about half. But of course whites would then be committing a greater percentage of the rapes. Remove 'hispanics' and you'd have an even larger percentage of whites committing murders but the number of murders would go down not up.

Again as in the case of rape, murderers don't spontaneous spring out of the ground.

Northern Hamlet - Direct question. If we removed all blacks and hispanics from the US and replaced them with ethnic Norwegians (not North Africans or other rapey folks) would we have the same, more or less rapes and murders in the US?

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 11:46 AM  

Incorrect.

Wrong.

whites having more babies now that there's more space

All you're saying is that more people equals more rape victims. This proves nothing with respect to the issue. Unless, of course, you still want to kill off the blacks to reduce the number of rape victims.

or our other whites across the river decide to move over now that the blacks are gone and property vales are predicted to rise because of the influx.

Nope. Those whites from across the river bring their rapists and victims with them. Now you have 20 white rape victims where before you had 24.


Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 11:50 AM  

...unless, of course, the 100 new whites came from a similarly mixed neighborhood, in which case you now have 20 white rape victims where before you had 28.

Now please answer the question posed to you.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 12:15 PM  

Stilicho,

The answer is yes. So, case closed.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 12:21 PM  

The answer is yes. So, case closed.

[laughs] since you do contest this statement
introducing a group that is more likely to engage in such crimes into an area where a less-inclined group resides will cause an increase in the number of those crimes committed against the second group


I am interested in how you contest it given that, in your example above, introducing 100 blacks into a neighborhood of 100 whites increases the number of white rape victims from 10 to 14.

Blogger Corvinus February 06, 2015 12:28 PM  

In related news, Muslims use more porn than just about everybody.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 12:31 PM  

@ Corvinus it might be related to goat shortage:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/10377518/Food-crisis-hits-Middle-England-as-experts-warn-of-a-goats-cheese-shortage.html

Stocks from European herds have slumped dramatically in the last year, experts told industry bible The Grocer. In 2010, more than 50,000 pregnant goats and sheep were culled across Europe in a bid to tackle the Q fever disease, which can spread to humans.

Blogger CM February 06, 2015 12:33 PM  

I would've thought it more likely that group a will rape members of group b more frequently than they would members of group a...

Where it doesn't matter what the racial make up of group a or group b are, proximity to eachother increases the liklihood of desiring to do harm to the other.

Whether it is tribes, nationalities, gangs, or race, the innate human nature should be to not harm your own.

So... that white group that moved in are more likely to rape the ones they moved next to... and breeding to take over the space should be more likely to result in fewer rapes (because of relational identity).

Of course it's all theory. American studies into crime don't typically distinguish between identity and racial make-up. That study that NH found would have been far more interesting if the black group tended towards raping rival black groups in their vicinity.

Anonymous map February 06, 2015 12:34 PM  

Northern Hamlet,

Your papers are out of date by 25 years.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 06, 2015 12:35 PM  

Stilicho,

You're quibbling, and I've already addressed that point.

Anonymous Randy M February 06, 2015 12:36 PM  

"Let's do it this way: forget who rapes more. That's irrelevant"

Now you sound like an immigration official or leftist politician.

Anonymous Stilicho February 06, 2015 12:38 PM  

@ NH, is 14 > 10?

Anonymous Dan in Tx (vibrancy is our strength!) February 06, 2015 12:53 PM  

Hey, let's not over look the fact that it's all a trade off. I mean, yeah there is the whole raping your white children thing but you have to be fair and weigh that against how much more awesome Britain is having been flooded with Pakis!

Anonymous common dustman February 06, 2015 1:35 PM  

Let's not argue and bicker about who raped who . . . this should be a happy occasion, celebrating the flith finally cleaning up a bit.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar February 06, 2015 2:45 PM  

Is Northern Hamlet a real person or a retarded bot? Blacks don't choose White women? Where are you living? The My Little Pony Universe?
Get out you moron. Your lies are so bad, you might as well be on NBC News!
Pakistanis are extremely violent period. The Indians gave them their own country to make them leave. These British "Authorities" are just Pakis elected by Pakis!
They should guillotine that whole phony Royal Family and hang every MP from a tree or lamppost! They fight Hitler but let black Africans and Pakis in and subsidize their rape and murder spree? Hanging may be too good for them!

Blogger Corvinus February 06, 2015 2:51 PM  

@Stilicho

Hmm... I wonder if Muslims with Q fever are more likely to go bonkers.

Blogger dfordoom February 06, 2015 9:22 PM  

On a scale of one to ten on the far right scale, how far right are these far right groups?

Most of the new European "far right" groups are centre-left. In fact many are closer to the left than to the centre. They're basically socialists who've realised that nationalism was not such a bad evil idea after all. UKIP is more complicated because it has a libertarian element.

Blogger Akulkis February 06, 2015 11:00 PM  

"The Brits inexplicably use 'Asian' to refer to everybody from Beirut to Tokyo"


Yes, because just as inexplicably, ASIA extends from Beirut to Tokyo.

I served in Saudi Arabia in 1991-1992, and then in Kuwait & Iraq in 2006-2007.

Among my awards each time was the Southwest ASIA Service Medal.

Imagine that... the Southest Asia Service medal for serving in SOUTHWEST Asia.

In other words, Asia is more than just the orient.
80% of Russia is in Asia, even though it's a European power.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 07, 2015 12:06 AM  

"Asian" is British newspeak for Muslim, typically Pakistani. Their papers use it much like ours use "youths". Neither group is known for its mathematical prowess.

I was unaware of this.


NH, if you were seriously unaware of this, then perhaps this is a discussion you should observe for a while before weighing in, as you're way, way behind the knowledge curve. Not meant as an insult, we're all ignorant of many things, but if you're that unaware of British racial conditions, you're going to, as the Brits might say, commit a lot of bloomers.

Blogger Northern Hamlet February 07, 2015 8:55 AM  

Jack Amok,

NH, if you were seriously unaware of this, then perhaps this is a discussion you should observe for a while before weighing in, as you're way, way behind the knowledge curve

I disagree, but fair enough.

Blogger Subversive Saint February 08, 2015 10:00 AM  

Is seems they send their rapists over here so they don't rape over there.

Anonymous Stilicho February 08, 2015 10:46 AM  

@ subversive saint: according to the innumerate northerner the number of whites raped should decrease once the diverse rapists arrive

Blogger HaroldC February 08, 2015 3:37 PM  

I've never meet anyone - even those who are self-professed "racists" - who claim that all black people are stupid and criminal or that all white people are law abiding and intelligent. No not once.

Blogger HaroldC February 08, 2015 3:38 PM  

I've never meet anyone - even those who are self-professed "racists" - who claim that all black people are stupid and criminal or that all white people are law abiding and intelligent. No not once.

Blogger automatthew February 08, 2015 5:28 PM  

Stilicho, this is just the last gasp of Northern Hamlet's leftism departing. Anybody got a herd of pigs handy?

Blogger Mindstorm February 09, 2015 6:59 AM  

@PhillipGeorge bashing bastardy.

Leonardo da Vinci was one of them. Although I'm not sure that he outweighs the aggregate of counterexamples.

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