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Saturday, March 21, 2015

Choose this day whom you will serve

Jon Podhoretz doesn't appear to like the idea of having to choose between America and Israel:
Today, the president of the United States told the prime minister of Israel he was reassessing America’s “options” with regard to Israel in light of remarks Benjamin Netanyahu made about potential Palestinian statehood and an election-day Facebook post urging Israeli right-wingers to go to the polls on Monday to counter a surge in Israeli Arab voters.

The crisis in the relationship we discuss in our new editorial statement has entered a new and potentially unprecedented phase.

It may well be that the president is going to present American Jews with a choice over the coming months no American president should ask us to make—to become parties to and participants in his effort to create what, in 2009, he called “daylight” between the U.S. and Israel.
The question, of course, is to what Podhoretz is truly objecting. Does he, a U.S. citizen, genuinely find it difficult to choose between the U.S.A. and Israel? Or is he more truly concerned that, as the Spanish Inquisition did with the false conversos, the president intends to expose where the true loyalties of the Jews in America lie?

There should be an amount of "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel. They are two separate and very different countries, and while they share some interests, they also have other interests that are distinct, and in some cases, even divergent. An alliance between the two countries makes sense. Attempting to force the two countries to march in lockstep does not.

The mere fact that Podhoretz would appear to oppose recognition of this basic reality is sufficient to raise some questions where his true and singular allegiance lies. It is telling that the name of his piece is "The Crisis Has Exploded" when the vast majority of Americans have no idea that there is any such crisis at all.

It's not anti-Semitic to observe that no man can serve two masters. But it is literally anti-American for a U.S. citizen to call for the sacrifice of U.S. interests on Israel's behalf. There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. I am pro-Israel. But there is definitely something wrong with selling out what is supposed to be your own country, regardless of what reason you give to justify it.

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Blogger hank.jim March 21, 2015 7:50 AM  

So Iran gets the nukes because of Obama's skillful negotiations with the mullahs. As the leader of America, he has cast himself perilously as an amateur. Unable to effectively change the opinion of those more determined than him, he bullies the weaker.

Anonymous SoCalExile March 21, 2015 7:51 AM  

Thought exercise: you are a US soldier sent to execute combat operations against a rogue state of Israel. You stand near the valley of Migeddo preparing for a massive battle. Do you execute orders or suddenly become a conscientious objector?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2015 7:56 AM  

Or Hank, Obama let's the crazies on the right expose themselves

Blogger Salt March 21, 2015 7:57 AM  

There’s simply no question Netanyahu was willfully and purposefully misunderstood

That's not possible, as to willfully and purposefully do anything is to understand what one is doing. Doesn't mean one is right, but applying such to misunderstanding is terribly problematic. In doing so, does Podhoretz actually believe what he wrote?

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 7:57 AM  

Why shouldn't Israel and its far-flung supporters be considered mortal enemies of Western civilization so long as the Samson Option is still on the table? When the Soviet Union had thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at us, we didn't have to pretend that it was our friend!

Israel and its nuclear weapons ought to be neutralized before they can threaten Europe. Why should we negotiate with hostage takers and terrorists? People who place the security of Israel above that of Europe are no friends of Western civilization.

Blogger hank.jim March 21, 2015 7:59 AM  

The right's getting a revival precisely because of Obama.

Blogger The Deuce March 21, 2015 8:00 AM  

As a non-Jew, I wouldn't choose Israel over America, but I would certainly choose Netanyahu over Obama.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 21, 2015 8:01 AM  

911, and boys that cry wolf eventually get eaten.

Mene: False flags fly better at half mast

Anonymous jack March 21, 2015 8:07 AM  

I would agree with the Deuce. Vox position on this makes sense as well. However, I fear that our dear leader has much more in mind than just a little daylight.
He is so obviously a closet muslim and is doing everything he can to promote the victory of islam and the establishment of the new caliphate. IMO.
He may even be a stanch supporter of the final mullah concept. If so, then, unless he's impeached out of office we are truly in deep caca.

Anonymous Omar's Running Shoes March 21, 2015 8:07 AM  

Have we cut aid to Israel? Have our representatives distanced themselves in any way, shape or form?

I smell theater.

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 8:10 AM  

America should deploy interceptor missiles with nuclear warheads in Europe to protect it from an Israeli attack. NATO should begin work on reactor pumped laser based defenses like they had in the Soviet Union.

Anonymous karsten March 21, 2015 8:10 AM  

"So Iran gets the nukes because of Obama's skillful negotiations with the mullahs."

One can only hope.

Iran getting nukes would save millions of lives (literally millions -- add up the death toll in the other wars in the Middle East that have been waged, and are still being waged, by the U.S. at the command its shadow capital in Tel Aviv.)

Iran getting nukes would be just about the only thing that might prevent a war on Iran and the loss of the countless number of Iranian and American lives (not even to mention the billions of American tax dollars) that would ensue, all at the whim of the Judeocons.

Iran getting nukes is just about the only thing that can prevent Iraq War 2.0: This time Iran -- many times the size of the last such disaster.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 21, 2015 8:21 AM  

There should be an amount of "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel. They are two separate and very different countries, and while they share some interests, they also have other interests that are distinct, and in some cases, even divergent.

I agree. I would agree more if this was the result of the pursuit America's interests.

However, I can't help but get the feeling the current state of affairs is end product of Barack Obama's peevish dislike of the Bibi, rather than carefully thought out, long range foreign policy.

America's foreign policy has never been all that good and for the past eighty years hasn't even been pro-American.

But under Obama foreign policy has become nothing more than the personal vanity project of a petulant child king. The hazy ideas of the Oberlin faculty lounge have now been adopted as national goals.

Nowhere is Obama's utter incompetence more obvious than with the current state of affairs with Israel. He is stamping his little foot because they reelected Bibi.

This is foreign policy as dictated by a frustrated Gamma Male.

Blogger napari March 21, 2015 8:22 AM  

I have always chosen America over Israel but Obama is not my president and the since the voters have given back 2/3 power to the right wing the voters agree.
If Obama had been TRUTHFUL in the beginning about his intent I doubt he would of been elected in 2008 but falsehoods is the way of progressives. Parsing words is the weapon of choice for progressives.

And yes I would take Netanyahu over Obama ANY day of the week! :)

Blogger Salt March 21, 2015 8:31 AM  

Israel and its nuclear weapons ought to be neutralized before they can threaten Europe.- Heaviside


(literally millions -- add up the death toll in the other wars in the Middle East that have been waged, and are still being waged, by the U.S. at the command its shadow capital in Tel Aviv.)

Iran getting nukes would be just about the only thing that might prevent a war ... at the whim of the Judeocons. - Karsten


There is one problem to all of this. God's promise to Israel. It's one thing to want a little daylight between the US and Israel, and wholly another to desire Israel's avowed enemy be so armed. Question is, why should the US involve itself?

Anonymous paradox March 21, 2015 8:32 AM  

On the Israel question, I side with Ron Paul and George Washington. Get out of Israel's way. No foreign aid and no entangling alliances.

Anonymous zen0 March 21, 2015 8:39 AM  

No worries. Master Politician Boehner is visiting Bibi at the end of the month. He will make everything better.

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 8:40 AM  

>God's promise to Israel.

If God made any such promise, then he is hardly lacking for means to fulfill it. People who aren't Jews don't have any obligations to the Hebrew god.

Anonymous Stingray March 21, 2015 8:43 AM  

They are two separate and very different countries, and while they share some interests, they also have other interests that are distinct, and in some cases, even divergent. An alliance between the two countries makes sense. Attempting to force the two countries to march in lockstep does not.

One thing I has noticed in MPAI is that MP cannot see beyond two options - all or nothing. Everything is quite binary and there is no in between. They cannot see that there may be a third, fourth or fifth line of thought. Having been one of the "most people" for a very long time, it's why I come here; to learn to think in a manner to see more options.

Anonymous p-dawg March 21, 2015 8:44 AM  

@Heaviside: Hebrews do. Judah is only one tribe. Also the Creator's promise was to the person Israel and not the currently existing country of that name.

Anonymous takin' a look March 21, 2015 8:47 AM  

The Golden Calf

This is how Nutty Yahoo views us American goyim.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 8:47 AM  

You know I always thought that Obama was on a suicide mission, which is why a nobody like him was chosen to run for President. His elimination is hardly a loss for his controllers and he seems to have a martyr complex. Certainly as a narcissist he would prefer to be lionized by being assassinated like JFK rather than go down in history as the Worst President in American history.
Have you heard about the new movie where Obama is assassinated? They did the same thing when Bush was in office when he started to question the Iraq War. The Israelis have a nasty habit of killing their enemies that has made them reviled throughout the Middle East. Obama might actually be trying to go out with a bang.
Certainly if he lives through his term, his political career is pretty much over. What does he do after the Presidency? Become the Mayor of Chicago? A narcissist like this wouldn't even consider an offer like that. His career is over anyway. What does he have to lose?
He might be another JFK or MLK, or so he probably believes...

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 8:50 AM  

If the Institute arranged for him to be killed, his death might resemble JFK's in more ways than one.

Anonymous rienzi March 21, 2015 8:53 AM  

In 1917 my maternal grandfather joined the army when the US declared war on Germany. His parents, German immigrant were outraged. "You would fight against the Kaiser?!!! They kicked him out of the family, and neither ever spoke to him again.

I cannot imagine a single member of "The Tribe" committing such a selfless act of patriotism. They should all spend next year, and all of the years to follow, in Jerusalem. The airline ticket counter is that way, Mr. Podhoretz. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Blogger Tom Stedham March 21, 2015 8:57 AM  

Vox,
Thank you for writing this. I am in total agreement with you, except for the "I am pro-Israel" part. I am pro-Palestine, and pro-freedom, myself, but all the rest of it? I totally agree.

Anonymous Jeigh Di March 21, 2015 9:00 AM  

God's promise did not keep Him from allowing the Jewish nation to be destroyed twice before, and since as a nation they continue in open rebellion against God by rejecting the Messiah, it may well be destroyed again.
Instead of asking if we will serve Israel or America, perhaps the question should be, will we serve God?

OpenID simplytimothy March 21, 2015 9:08 AM  

Podhoretz dances around Netanyahu's facebook post without quoting it. here is what politco says about it:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/benjamin-netanyahu-election-arab-money-comment-116261.html

Netanyahu raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he warned voters on Israel’s election day in a Facebook post that the “right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are coming out in droves to the polls.”

Good on Netanyahu, Israel for the jews.

The pretzel shape that Podhoretz twists himself into to defend both multi-culti and Netenyahu should only be attempted by a master baker.


Blogger napari March 21, 2015 9:14 AM  

Its ALL in the presentation. Why can't American Jews support both the USA and Israel?
The way I see it Jewish folks simply got together and lobbied government to represent their views. An unfortunate truth for some of the folks posting against aiding the country of Israel is that in the USA the structure of government representation was set up FOR lobbying. In other words, for those who are against what AIPAC does try to remember AIPAC is a law abiding lobby group advocating on behalf of law abiding American citizens. Surprise!!
Do you really want to advocate against law abiding citizens?
Just because Jews are better at lobbying is no reason to grouse, gripe or become hateful at them. All have the right to start their own LAWFUL lobby group.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2015 9:21 AM  

Don't forget the internal politics of the D party and it's kept opposition in the R party. First the disqualification of jews in the D party, to a point and then allowing the R party to screw itself into the ground by allowing the Israeli fanatics to dominate with an issue whose traction is miles wide millimeters thick with most people. Advantage to President Gamma

Blogger Chris Mallory March 21, 2015 9:23 AM  

"Why can't American Jews support both the USA and Israel? "

Jesus gives the answer:
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other."

"AIPAC is a law abiding lobby group advocating on behalf of law abiding American citizens."

They skirt the laws that require advocates of foreign nations to register as agents of that nation. Any other group doing what they do would be required to register.
Don't forget Larry Franklin and his accomplice. Both AIPAC members who should be sharing a cell with Jonny Boy Pollard.

The American Nazi Party is a legal group. Would you be concerned if they were giving millions to various government employees and hosting the president for a speech?

Blogger napari March 21, 2015 9:30 AM  

Its rather telling that you would conflate or compare a political group(The American Nazi Party) with a lobbying group AIPAC.

Both are entirely different legal entities.

Blogger Robert What? March 21, 2015 9:31 AM  

Vox, as an American of Jewish ancestry I agree with you. However, since Obama himself has no loyalty to America, the challenge really doesn't make sense coming from someone like him.

Blogger napari March 21, 2015 9:33 AM  

Let me spell it out for you:
AIPAC = American Israeli Political Action Committee

I notice that America comes first and Israel 2nd. Do I have to spell out why?

Anonymous anti dentite March 21, 2015 9:40 AM  

"It was once considered “anti-Semitic” to impute “dual loyalty” to Jews — that is, to assert that most American Jews divide their loyalty between the United States and Israel. This is now passé. Today most politicians assume, as a matter of course, that Israel commands the primary loyalty of Jewish voters. Are they accused of “anti-Semitism” for doing so? Does this assumption cost them Jewish votes? Not at all! Dual loyalty nothing! Dual loyalty would be an improvement!"

- Joe Sobran

Anonymous zen0 March 21, 2015 9:41 AM  

@ p-dawg

Also the Creator's promise was to the person Israel and not the currently existing country of that name.

The person Israel, also known as Jacob.

Anonymous Discard March 21, 2015 9:42 AM  

Napri: "American" comes before "Israel" because in English, the modifier comes before the noun. It's a lobby for Israelis that live in America.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 21, 2015 9:48 AM  

"Its rather telling that you would conflate or compare a political group(The American Nazi Party) with a lobbying group AIPAC. "

A lobbying group is by it's very nature a political group.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 9:49 AM  

Heaviside, not to be too flaming obvious, but you will one day bow to a Jew. Your pagan godlings are my ancestors. Why should you wish to worship Wotan? I mean, as my many times great-grandfather, he's probably a swell guy, but really, why not worship me? I'm still alive.

Jeigh Di, 'tis again pretty simple. The Jews are often complete idiots. The Creator judges them. But, thats not our job. Our job is to bless them. Now you can approach this from a perspective of 'I hate Jews, but I desire God's blessing more than his hatred'.

There is also some question as to what is most beneficial to the Jews. There is a good argument to be made that largely cutting them free, and letting them slaughter all those idiot Arabs who can't manage their own countries despite easy money from oil would be the nicest thing we could do for them. We spend a lot of effort keeping Arabs from killing themselves.

Lastly, I don't think Jews will ever be non-hated. The level of hatred is irrational. Its probably Satanic.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 9:50 AM  

Discard. You beat me to the punch.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 21, 2015 9:52 AM  

Napri, you did not answer the question.

The American Nazi Party is a legal group. Would you be concerned if they were giving millions to various government employees and hosting the president for a speech?

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 9:54 AM  

And yes, there are questions about just who the promise is to, but most American Christians are not aware of this, so their behavior is completely rational. But since they don't agree with some fringe screamers or want to help out Arab Christians who sneer at them, they're Churchians.

Remember, when you ask for someone's help, the polite thing to do is say 'thank you'.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 9:57 AM  

Eric Ashley. So, if the LORD is judging Israel, is it wise to help Israel agsinst the LORD?
Israel's possession of the land is conditional.
And, when Jesus returns no power in the Cosmos will be able to stop it or hide it. Where do you think all those who rejected Jesus Messiah will stand, Jews included?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 9:58 AM  

Look I really don't give a rat's ass about Israel, and it really surprises me that after all this time Iran doesn't have the bomb considering Pakistan has them and North Korea too. North Korea is so poor that nowadays they declare war just to eat. If I was Iran I would just buy one from them, cause Israel is so small that one should do it.
However, I really don't believe the Iranians could get a bomb close enough to Israel to actually do dmage with their giant wall and paranoid government with a thousand spies in Tehran. On the other hand, Hymietown as Reverend Jackson calls it is the Islamic Bomb Capitol of the world.
Our border is so porous they could probably drop a bomb into the flatbed of a Toyota truck and drive it straight into the United States and their only problem would be waiting in line at the DMV to get a California Drivers' License!
Unfortunately I live close enough to the Rotten Apple that if the wind blows the wrong way on Magic Mushroom Day I could probably be Lex Luthor for Halloween. And, don't give me any crap about Iran using it as a defensive weapon to guard against Invasion either, because the Iranians are about as Machiavellian as Dr Evil.
Lets not forget that a few years ago the Ayatollah and the mullahs had a nasty shock with an uprising of political opponents. That regime is probably nowhere near as stable now that the students who installed the first Ayatollah are old enough to join the AARP. The new generation that grew up under the Ayatollah may be having second thoughts about living in a sexless country where girls are draped head to toe and you have to marry a woman to get some. I really don't think the Ayatollah and the mullahs have much to lose bombing NYC.
Mr. Obama said very clearly that if America was nuked he would never use nukes to retaliate. This is probably the only thing he said that's true!

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 10:02 AM  

>Your pagan godlings are my ancestors.

I don't think you're related to Izanagi.

>Why should you wish to worship Wotan?

I like the figure of Faust more than Odin, but what kind of alchemist doesn't pay tribute to Hermes?

Anonymous Steve March 21, 2015 10:10 AM  

I'm more sympathetic to Benjamin Netanyahu's position than I am to Barack Obama's. But in making themselves so heavily dependent on American largesse, the Israelis and their American supporters have created a rod for the State of Israel's back.

And why would anyone expect President Tumblr to give a shit about Israel? He doesn't have a good record on dealing with America's traditional allies in general. The man's a narcissist with a racial grievance complex. Jews are just too damn white.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 10:13 AM  

Not helping the Jews against God, obeying God.

Now, if what you're actually asking 'what if the Jews build a giant abortion center, should Americans help finance this?' Clearly not, because as already stated, that's not in the Jew's best interest. And it would be immoral on our part as well.

Its a little complicated, but not much more than a couple steps of logic to puzzle out. And that is the sort of thing that makes me suspicious....when supposedly brilliant guys can't figure out something obvious.

Izanagi...ok, I had to look that up. You're right. Its Northern Europe and Britain over here.

Now, given that Ham, son of Noah, planted many colonies, including a colony on Japan which gave rise to the people later deified as the Kami, the people that later invaders from China, descended from Shem, mostly wiped out, the question becomes, was Izanagi the great-grandson of Ham or Shem?

From Wikipedia, I'm guessing Ham.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 10:27 AM  

Eric Ashley. Obeying? Point to me in the Scriptures that Israel is to be given carte blanche? Do you, then, acknowledge the conditional possession of the land contingent on performance of yhe Law of Moses?

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami March 21, 2015 10:29 AM  

napari: AIPAC = American Israeli Political Action Committee

I notice that America comes first and Israel 2nd. Do I have to spell out why?



When was the last time AIPAC lobbied America's govt for American (and only American) interests?

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 10:31 AM  

Only a Jew could so completely misunderstand paganism and yet be so sure of his knowledge on the subject. To say that "the kami" were a people is a category error.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski March 21, 2015 10:35 AM  

"Just because Jews are better at lobbying is no reason to grouse, gripe or become hateful at them."

Being better at something seems to be legitimate reason for being hated through human history.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 10:38 AM  

Jaime, reading comprehension is to be commended to you. How do you get 'Give Israel whatever they want' from what I said? The reasonable conclusion is that you are overly partisan, and read in fury, and typed in haste.

I do not know enough to have a settled opinion on your second question. However, I think that it does not matter....for me or you. Your question seems to put me in the position of God.

Am I to judge if the Israelis deserve their land? (other than the crude arguement of possession by force, that is.) No, I am not God.

Anonymous Schlomo March 21, 2015 10:41 AM  

"Being better at something seems to be legitimate reason for being hated through human history. "

Hypocrisy is too.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 10:46 AM  

Eric. Then, I suggest that you dpend a couple hours in yhe Old Testsment struggling with the issue of blessings and curses under yhe Law of Moses, specifically the conditional possrssion of the land.
BTW, my reading comprehension is not faulty. You may not have intended but what you advocate indeed amounts to Israel can do no wrong and we are to support them regardless.
To support Israel, or anyone, in doing wrong is not to bless but to curse.

Blogger napari March 21, 2015 11:02 AM  

Too-Soon-ami March 21, 2015 10:29 AM
napari: AIPAC = American Israeli Political Action Committee
I notice that America comes first and Israel 2nd. Do I have to spell out why?
When was the last time AIPAC lobbied America's govt for American (and only American) interests?

Too-Soon-ami : Got me there. I'm an American frenchy thats pro-Israel and proud of it!

Blogger S1AL March 21, 2015 11:04 AM  

Only 40 posts to invoke Godwin? I'm disappointed.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 11:07 AM  

Jaime, yes to 1st. Your last sentence is much of what I said, and how you got from there to carte blanche is reading comprehension fail. Or you could be saying general blessings are not allowed as o g as the Jews mAke o e error. Either way...wrong.

Anonymous Ace March 21, 2015 11:09 AM  

America is to Israel as Israel is to Egypt

Egyptian influence is pervasive throughout the West. Empiricists worship the pyramid, and the spiritualists worship the ankh.

Maybe the Jews are being told, in so many words, that their work here is done and they may retake their place at the right hand of their masters. Obama is East African after all.

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 11:10 AM  

Eric, to give the viewers at home an idea just how completely off the mark what you said was, it's like saying "Kant's noumena were really Corsicans!" or "Death is a township in Nova Scotia."

If I may return the favour, I think your God is that "spurious infinite" described in the Science of Logic Volume 1 Book 1 Section 2 Chapter 2 Subsection C Remark 1, and your religion a state of "infinite grief," described elsewhere.

Anonymous Heaviside March 21, 2015 11:13 AM  

Egypt's real legacy lies with Plato, the Rosicrucians, and similar folks, i.e. in Europe.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 11:17 AM  

Heaviside...must be a .miracle then. I thought I was a Viking Irish English gent......see last name....Ashley.

I could probably get a job as background on Vikings.
I am telling you the history of the world. The so called God's were our ancestors because we found it easier than worshipping the One True God.

Anonymous LES March 21, 2015 11:18 AM  

Obama was chosen and groomed for president by Jews. The defense department and state department are filled with neocon Jews. Obama's first chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel's father was a member of the Irgun terrorists.

Deut 4:40 says that possession of the Land is conditional of the people of Israel obeying all God's commandments. Over 50% of Jews claim not to be religious at all.

That said, there is not power on Earth than can stop the Israeli juggernaut. See Eric Margolis' latest column at Lew Rockwell.

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 21, 2015 11:27 AM  

Man, this is just getting funnier and funnier. Do you guys know what you sound like? Maybe I can get some of you clowns a booking at the Laugh Factory or something.

Anonymous Steve March 21, 2015 11:27 AM  

LES - Margolis ends his thought-provoking column with "Israelis have shown they don’t want to be part of the neighboring Arab world, any more than many white South Africans wanted to join black Africa. They want to stand alone behind their high walls, their restive Arab populations locked away in tribal reservations. Israel has the land, the water and now the energy, and intends to keep them all."

And why shouldn't they?

Anonymous JI March 21, 2015 11:30 AM  

I wish Obama would put some "daylight" between the US and Mexico.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 11:32 AM  

Why can't American Jews support both the USA and Israel?

Because US and Israeli interests do not align perfectly at all times.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 21, 2015 11:34 AM  

Matthew 23 and John 8 pretty much say that the current "nation" of Israel is of Satan. The Pharisees are the spiritual fathers of modern Israel and Jesus had nothing good to say about them.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 11:34 AM  

I universally oppose the creation of a palestinian state. So much so.. that in spite of my spell checker's protestations... I will not capitalize the word.

On the other hand I am genuinely curious why its only the jews who are so obsessed with their "home".

I don't know of any Irish Americans that think America should be in lock step with Ireland.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 11:34 AM  

Eric. Errors can be had but willful non-compliance is not an "error."
You may keep saying that my comprehension failed and that you do not advocate carte blanche towards Israel. Israel sold to China sensitive uSA technology, in violation of agreements? Consequences should be? Israel is caught spying on these uSA. Consequenses should be? Israel does not allow Christian missionaries as such. Consequenses should be? Israel does not have a King, has foreign altars, does not have the temple in Jerusalem, does not make animal sacrifices, make kin pay for the sins of the children, is warring against neighbor without a prophet, eyc. Consequences?

Anonymous Otis March 21, 2015 11:35 AM  

"I wish Obama would put some "daylight" between the US and Mexico."

Sheet, I'd take some daylight between the US and Ferguson, MO.

Anonymous Sheila March 21, 2015 11:36 AM  

I'm with Paradox on this one (a la George Washington - no entangling alliances) and a bit of Shakespeare as well (re Israel/Iran/et al) - "A plague on both their houses." Plus, as Cataline Sergius noted, it would be nice if this was, in some way, due to a concern for "America's interests." Since it's purely in Obama's interests, which are definitely not American, I'd be rather suspicious, if I cared enough. It's past time for it all to come crashing down.

Blogger Noah B March 21, 2015 11:37 AM  

However, Obama's interests are not the same thing as America's interests.

"I don't know of any Irish Americans that think America should be in lock step with Ireland."

Ireland isn't even in lockstep with itself.

Anonymous bw March 21, 2015 11:39 AM  

"Being better at something seems to be legitimate reason for being hated through human history. "

Perfect. The ultimate Conqueror and Victor - the best! - is still now and always, at the very same time - the ultimate Victim. You have the ID down well.
And that wouldn't be a legitimate reason, and is not the reason.

The Judaic leaders, children of their father, certainly were indeed very very good at something - lobbying the State and its executioners concerning Jesus of Nazareth.
It's obvious as well that they have had a recent revival of the same, once the West failed to keep them and their networked usury (and Babylonian Talmud) on the run in the last few centuries.
The rise of "the Jew" in the West and decline of Christianity and honest money in the same is no small coincidence.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 11:43 AM  

Actually I've seen theories where people surmise that Obama is considered Jewish because his mother was Jewish which is apparently their tradition due to the fact that she and her parents were openly Communist during the height of the Cold War. Being marxist in those days was practically an entirely Jewish sect with only KGB trained operatives who were not Jews involved as agent provocateurs to push matxism on other groups. Obama's mother and Grandparents were probably Jewish considering they didn't seem very active in the White community which they would have been if they were agents.
This is an interesting theory, because Obama is definitely schizoid in his presentation and beliefs. On the one hand he seems to be the Golden Boy of Goldman Sachs with half his cabinet from Wall Street's most famous Vampire Family, while on the other hand he lives on the same street with Louis Farrakhan of the famously Anti-Semitic Nation of Islam which is about as Islamic as the Salvation Army is a military organization and is in reality merely a Black Power Hate Group.
However, he was taken to Indonesia by his mother and his stepfather had him enrolled in a strict Islamic school where he became a Muslim which is a religion that does not recognize the possibility of conversion or even entertains the thought of members leaving, while on the other side he is apparently either homosexual or bisexual with strong support for things like the absurd Gay Marriage issue.
Its entirely possible that Obama may be clinically insane beyond a merely overinflated ego due to narcissicistic tendencies and actually suffers from some sort of split personality disorder that allows such wildly erratic and contradictory attributes to coexist. Although I must admit that most Leftists do not really acknowledge contradictions in their dogmatic beliefs, but do not understate the possibility that Obama may be unstable or even crazy.

Anonymous Otis March 21, 2015 11:43 AM  

"I don't know of any Irish Americans that think America should be in lock step with Ireland."

Ireland isn't even in lockstep with itself.

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I'm dating an Irish American cutie. She can't find Ireland on a map, much less Brooklyn. But that is another story.

Anonymous paradox March 21, 2015 11:44 AM  

Eric Ashley,

Obeying God and helping Jews is the same as it is for every ethnicity... share the Gospel.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 21, 2015 11:47 AM  

"Because US and Israeli interests do not align perfectly at all times."

What's an example of an issue on which they differ sufficiently as to merit diplomatic antagonism? Especially given that in the Middle East, the only alternatives are (a) some form of Islam, (b) Russian-backed avarice, or (c) Chinese-backed Party manipulations? My interests don't align perfectly with all my male friends; that doesn't mean any of our differences are great enough that I should throw them over to hang out with a bunch of radical feminists, by analogy.

Blogger Rantor March 21, 2015 11:48 AM  

Of course the majority of American Jews voted for Obama, proving them disloyal anyway...

Anonymous paradox March 21, 2015 11:50 AM  



On the other hand I am genuinely curious why its only the jews who are so obsessed with their "home".

I don't know of any Irish Americans that think America should be in lock step with Ireland.


Nate,

I think it's more Zionist Christians, e.g. Rev. John Hagee than Zionist Jews who want America lock step with Israel.

Anonymous zen0 March 21, 2015 11:52 AM  

Pat Buchanan weighs in on the subject:

What Would Ike Do?

In November 1956, President Eisenhower, enraged he had not been forewarned of their invasion of Egypt, ordered the British, French and Israelis to get out of Suez and Sinai. They did as told.

How far we have fallen from the America of Ike and John Foster Dulles has been on painful display this March.

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 21, 2015 11:53 AM  

@ Nate:"I universally oppose the creation of a palestinian state."

Why? I'm interested, not being a douchebag.

Personally I can think of about six different solid solutions for the Israel-Arab problem, but they'd never agree to any of them. So it's all, as a famous architect once said, "spoken into the void." I don't care about any of those people, or what they want or what they do. I wish they would stop pestering us, and interfering in our own affairs, which concern us, not them.

But I'm curious: why are you intransigent on the topic?

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 21, 2015 11:59 AM  

Jaime
Chicom.....cut them out of the next deal. Compare with how Mr. Clinton got treated.
Israel spies...Pollard goes go jail.
Missionaries....I would insist. Hold up everything for a week if it ever got that far. That is more on the State Department tho as we have a similar problem w the Saudi.

The rest are God's problem.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 11:59 AM  

I will close my with this. I am a graft into Abraham's descendant vine, adopted. I do have a care for Abraham's decendants as to the flesh. As a Christian I am still to play no favorites and treat everyone equally. I cannot change the past. Europen Jews should, perhaps, had been given a large chunk of land in Europe as a consequence of WW2. As it is today, Israel has a right to exist and the Palestinians, just as any other people, have a right to self-determination.
Our national interests, when different than any other nation id subject to our own scrutiny and criticism based on what we understand what is best for us NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR A FOREIGN government. That includes the foreign gobernjent of Israel.
Addressing my Christian bretheren; I have concluded that Israel is an idol for many. I shudder to think of its cosequences. These uSA are the shield on which Israel places their trust. We are indeed in a very dangerous place.

Anonymous LES March 21, 2015 12:05 PM  

So...
The American Indians deserved their fate.
The Palestinians deserved their fate.
The White people in southwest US will deserve their fate.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 12:05 PM  

This idea of a peaceful resolution to the Palestine Israeli issue is not even a possibilty. The Palestinians and Arabs will never accept the existence of a Jewish State within a hundred miles of Jerusalem which they consider an Islamic Holy Site. The Israelis will continue to confiscate land and steal like the Jews have famously done for hundreds of years as long as they get away with it. Being involved in this at all is a loser for Everyone.
America is not considered an impartial player by Muslims and has no backing by any serious Islamic Governments or groups. Israel sucks Billions of tax dollars and military aid from a bankrupt USA to subsidize a hopeless cause in which the other side will never capitulate or give an inch.
Peace is an alien concept in the Middle East. There hasn't been peace in that region since the Colonial Powers from Europe left, and they suffered heavy casualties throughout the occupation from hostile Arabs and Turks who constantly murdered and attacked them. This issue is pointless.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 12:07 PM  

What's an example of an issue on which they differ sufficiently as to merit diplomatic antagonism?

The one under discussion right now: what to do about Iran. Israel wants the US to invade Iran and their sycophants in the USA have been beating the war drums for over 10 years now. See Michael "Faster Please" Ledeen, just to give one of many examples.

There is zero US national interest in invading or even attacking Iran.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 12:09 PM  

"But I'm curious: why are you intransigent on the topic?"

Several reasons.

1) The palestinians are the absolute dregs of the arab world. There are two reasons the arabs want a palestinian state... one is to get a very strategicly important piece of land away from the jews. The other is to have a place to dump all the idiot palestinians that they wish weren't in their own countries.

2) You want a country? Take it and defend it by force like everyone else had to. If you're to much of a pussy to get it yourself don't ask me to get it for you. Part of the reason Israel is such a problem is because the Jews didn't take it themselves. Granted its only a small part.. but anytime someone steps in and hands land to a group and calls it a country... it goes badly.

Blogger kurt9 March 21, 2015 12:10 PM  

The other option would be for the American Jews to push an initiative to make Israel a U.S. state.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 12:11 PM  

"There is zero US national interest in invading or even attacking Iran."

well not zero.

Its always fun to watch the high tech blitzkrieg do what it does. And pillaging is under rated in 2015.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 12:25 PM  

Actually if Iran gets the bomb they will probably attack us. The Israelis might also be tempted to false flag a nuclear attack or attempted nuclear attack to instigate war with Iran. I for one do not want Iran to go nuclear. These people are not stable or reasonable in any way shape or form. Even if they don't attack us themselves they could easily find groups in the Middle East besides Al Qaeda that would gladly deliver their bomb for them. I'm not sure that it would be necessary to actually invade Iran to stop them, but the idea that Obama is trying to stop them is not a reasonable statement at this point. This dipshit sat on his hands while North Korea got the bomb. Those crazy fuckers are in the news today announcing the launch of a nuclear missile to attack the United States. This guy Obama may be a traitor, but he's definitely a retard. If we get nuked the Democratic Party is going to cease to exist for the next hundred years!

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 21, 2015 12:28 PM  

"The palestinians are the absolute dregs of the arab world."

This is a little like saying, Dog-shit is the dog-shit of the dog-shit world. Dog-shit exists, whether we like it or not. People have to figure out a way to deal with it, so that they don't spend their lives covered in dog-shit.

I prescribe six hours of Marceline the Vampire Queen.

Blogger luagha March 21, 2015 12:34 PM  

"Jerusalem which they consider an Islamic Holy Site."

Strangely enough, it wasn't considered much of a holy site until the Jews got hold of it. THEN suddenly it's muy importante.

If you look it up, some sects think it's more important than others, who mostly think 1. it's got a mosque on it so we own it 2. the jews have it and that is WRONG so we'll press any case we can make.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 12:37 PM  

Actually if Iran gets the bomb they will probably attack us.

That's insanely stupid. They will not attack us. They will use it to prevent us from attacking them. Iran is not invading and occupying sovereign countries around the world, the USA is.

I for one do not want Iran to go nuclear. These people are not stable or reasonable in any way shape or form.

They appear to be considerably more stable and reasonable than the US neocons.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 12:49 PM  

"This is a little like saying, Dog-shit is the dog-shit of the dog-shit world. Dog-shit exists, whether we like it or not. People have to figure out a way to deal with it, so that they don't spend their lives covered in dog-shit."

No. There are always castes and always degrees. Egypitians look at the arabs as the dumbest people on the planet...but within the group of arabs.. there are multiple groups... and within those groups there are tiers like any other social structure. The palestinians are the absolute bottom. They are the people who are to lazy to deal with their own ejectus... and to stupid to foresee the consequences of that choice.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 12:51 PM  

"Actually if Iran gets the bomb they will probably attack us."

/facepalm

Iran is observably more sane than North Korea.

Anyway... if you want to make up a reason to invade Iran... just say we still haven't kicked the shit out of them for that hijacking in the late 70s. its certainly more defensible than "scary brown man will nuke me".

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 21, 2015 12:52 PM  

"These people [Iranians] are not stable or reasonable in any way shape or form."

Actually, the weird ironic thing is that the majority of Persians are very cosmopolitan and fun, it's just that their leaders are fanatics. Why that's the case, is a good question. I guess it's a bit like Mussolini's Italy, or Franco's Spain. Persians are Aryans (that's what "Iran" means,duh), they're white people, not Semites, and they're pretty damn cool. If we could get them converted and get them back onside (maybe in an Eastern Orthodox church?), then the world would be a much safer place.

Anonymous LES March 21, 2015 12:53 PM  

Nate,
The Palestinian people are not people, but dregs? Not even the Christian Palestinians? I do not share your lack of compassion and humanity.
luagha,
The Dome of the Rock built in Jerusalem in the 7th century is considered the third holiest site in Islam.

I recommend Israeli historian Ilan Pappe's book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine."

Do you Zionists really believe Israel is entitled to take all the land from the "river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)?" Genesis 15:18

Greater Israel

Anonymous Stephen J. March 21, 2015 12:55 PM  

"Israel wants the US to invade Iran"

No, Israel wants the USA to prevent Iran getting a technology which will allow Iran to wipe Israel off the map, as a very loud and significant strain of the Iranian religious leadership has openly admitted multiple times is their desire. Conceiveably that's all posturing, but given the consequences of being wrong I don't know that I'd bet on it.

Anonymous Schlomo March 21, 2015 12:56 PM  

LES March 21, 2015 12:53 PM

Muslims are dregs. Get a clue.

Blogger Noah B March 21, 2015 12:56 PM  

"Actually, the weird ironic thing is that the majority of Persians are very cosmopolitan and fun, it's just that their leaders are fanatics."

Those I've known have been warm, kind people. Without exception. I have known lots of crazy Arabs though.

Anonymous Stephen J. March 21, 2015 12:58 PM  

"Iran is not invading and occupying sovereign countries around the world"

No, they get their proxies like Hezbollah to do it.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 12:59 PM  

look I don't want to invade iran either. I want us to get our troops out of the Middle East and stay out of the Palestine issue completely. That being said, I do not believe for a minute that the Iranians are making a bomb as a defensive weapon.
Iran invaded Iraq in the 1980s in a bloody war where millions of martyrs were machine gunned and gassed by Saddam and led to not a single square inch of territorial gains throughout the conflict. Iran also sends most of the weapons terrorists around the world use against the USA and Western Powers. The idea that they are non aggressive is simply not true. Just because they didn't conquer Iraq doesn't mean they didn't try by declaring war on Saddam, who was apparently not acceptable to them being a Sunni Muslim instead of Shia like they are. If they are willing to needlessly waste millions of Iranian lives to get rid of a rival Islamic Sect, are you seriously telling me they would not attack "The Great Satan"?

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 1:09 PM  

That being said, I do not believe for a minute that the Iranians are making a bomb as a defensive weapon.

Then you are ignorant of 20th century history. The US conducted a coup in their country and toppled their government. The US has been invading multiple countries around the world. And influential people in the USA have been demanding both bombings and invasions of Iran for more than a decade. They ABSOLUTELY have a strong case for a nuclear defense against persistent US aggression.

If they are willing to needlessly waste millions of Iranian lives to get rid of a rival Islamic Sect, are you seriously telling me they would not attack "The Great Satan"?

Yes. They're not stupid. Of course, if the The Great Satan keeps attacking them and trying to overthrow their government, who knows what they will do. You don't seem to understand who is the aggressor here.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 21, 2015 1:11 PM  

Just because Jews are better at lobbying is no reason to grouse, gripe or become hateful at them.

Really? Just because a bunch of people get a mob together to go demand stuff from folks who are just trying to live their lives, that's no reason for the folks to get mad at the mobsters? Of course you don't understand that, you think in terms of group membership instead of individuals.

So fuck you and the groupist horse you rode in on.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 21, 2015 1:16 PM  

I don't know of any Irish Americans that think America should be in lock step with Ireland.

I also notice a distinct lack of group hatred directed towards us Micks in the US.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2015 1:16 PM  

"Nate,
The Palestinian people are not people, but dregs? Not even the Christian Palestinians? I do not share your lack of compassion and humanity."

Well great. You can put on your pretty petticoat and sing kum ba ya with the other dirt hippies. Or you can wallow in your own shit with the christian palestinians... all 12 of them... I really don't give a damn.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 1:16 PM  

How is it stupid for Iran to attack us? With Obama bending over backwards to help them get a bomb, and being on record stating categorically that under no circumstances would he retaliate with a nuclear weapon if an American City was nuked, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for enemies of the United States to take their best free shot against us, while we have a traitor that hates us in the White House.
If we were nuked do any of you believe for a minute this ass in the White House would retaliate? He would drag his feet and bring in the UN and negotiate til he's thrown out physically from the Oval Office to help our enemies attack us.

Anonymous LES March 21, 2015 1:21 PM  

Joshua, Iraq invaded Iran in September 1980. Israel supplied Iran with military equipment while the US backed Saddam's Iraq. A classic case of
"let's you and him fight."

Pretty cynical ploy, huh?

Blogger Noah B March 21, 2015 1:42 PM  

The Reagan administration openly backed Iraq and secretly backed Iran by selling them weapons. Then they used part of the proceeds to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 1:43 PM  

So you're claiming that Iraq attacked Iran and started the war? Iran wasn't arming Shiite militias to overthrow Saddam because he's Sunni? Maybe you'll also say that Iran doesn't arm terrorist groups around the world too?
You know, I don't trust the US Government, but the idea that Iran is simply defending themselves from US aggression sounds like something a 60s hippie would say. The idea that we're responsible for terrorism because of Yankee Imperialism is just ignoring the longstanding hostilities that these so called oppressed groups have against Christianity and the West. Islam is by definition expansionist. Mohammed wanted to conquer the world by force. Jihad is not like a Buddhist monk going on a spiritual journey to end their suffering on Earth. Muslim are world famous for rapine and pillaging, and are some of the most notorious and barbaric pirates in human history.

Blogger dw March 21, 2015 1:48 PM  

"Do you Zionists really believe Israel is entitled to take all the land from the "river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)?" Genesis 15:18"

Do you hate God?

Anonymous H2 March 21, 2015 2:07 PM  

I agree with posters saying that Iran or even North Korea would be foolish to launch a nuke at the US. Muslims can get away with terrorist attacks such as car or subway bombings or shooting up a cafe without US or another county going ape because that is death by a thousand paper cuts. They killed about 3,000 on 9/11 and saw some of their countries get invaded. Even in today's SJW climate, do you really think Obama and Muslim apologists would be able to stop an aggressive reaction by the US if one of their cities got nuked?

The US still has the capability to turn the entire Middle East into one giant slab of glass, and most Western countries still have the capability to turn on their Muslim residents and slaughter them all.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

So you're claiming that Iraq attacked Iran and started the war?

Hey, it's a Gamma male! No. Learn to fucking read.

You know, I don't trust the US Government, but the idea that Iran is simply defending themselves from US aggression sounds like something a 60s hippie would say.

You're a fucking idiot. THE US OVERTHREW THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT IN 1953.

"The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project)."

The USA has invaded and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. Influential neocons have been openly calling for an invasion of Iran for more than ten years.

Only a complete fucking idiot like you would believe that it is unreasonable for Iran to try to defend itself against unprovoked US aggression. This does not mean Iran are the good guys. This does not mean Iran did not invade Iraq. It simply means that the Iranians have very good historical reasons to hate the US government and fear being attacked by it.

Anonymous LES March 21, 2015 2:26 PM  

dw March 21, 2015 1:48 PM

"Do you Zionists really believe Israel is entitled to take all the land from the "river in Egypt to the Euphrates river (in Iraq)?" Genesis 15:18"

Do you hate God?

dw, Do you hate Jesus? Israel is not the Promised Land. Heaven is.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 2:33 PM  

So you're telling me a coup d'etat that the British used to establish control of Iran during the days of British colonialism is justification for the medieval regime of the Ayatollah? Is the Boxer Rebellion against the Opium Trade in China a justification for Mao's Great leap Forward that killed forty million Chinese too?
You may not agree with the tactics of the British Empire in the 1950s, but I doubt you're going to say that the Shah of Iran was a far worse and inhumane ruler than the Ayatollah are you? Because that's just batshit Liberal crazy right there.
Colonialism may be frowned upon by enlightenment people but the fact of the matter is that the colonial governments of Europe though not democratic or inclusive were definitely better than the native governments that rule through torture and force in today's more multicultural world.
I'm surprised someone would actually defend democracy nowadays since its the proven reason for the bankruptcy of the State and the looting of industry by aliens that have stolen the inventions and innovations of White Western civilization and turned the West into a polyglot mess of ethnic hatred and outright genocidal abuse.

Blogger Shimshon March 21, 2015 2:42 PM  

"So you're telling me a coup d'etat that the British used to establish control of Iran during the days of British colonialism is justification for the medieval regime of the Ayatollah?"

What does one have to do with the other?!

For your information, the "Shah of Iran was a far worse and inhumane ruler" than what preceded him.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 2:48 PM  

So you're telling me a coup d'etat that the British used to establish control of Iran during the days of British colonialism is justification for the medieval regime of the Ayatollah?

Dude, just shut the fuck up. You're such a dishonest little gamma male. I wrote what I wrote. I said what I said. Stop this "so you're telling me" and "so you're claiming" bullshit.

If you can't address exactly what I wrote, not some idiotic revision of your own device, then you're not tall enough for this ride and you don't belong here. You don't get to erect strawmen and then knock them down here. You have a choice. Either engage in honest dialectic, or I'll just call you names and delete your rhetorical blather.

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 2:49 PM  

Meanwhile: She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.

Rather than worrying about Israel, we should worry about cleaning our own house.

As a nation, just because it were to grovel at the nation state Israel, does not make us all holy.

Besides, we are to pray for the Peace of Jerusalem, not make it our bitch state.

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 2:55 PM  

You know, I don't trust the US Government, but the idea that Iran is simply defending themselves from US aggression sounds like something a 60s hippie would say.

RAND Corp: Iran’s strategy is largely defensive, but with some offensive elements. Iran’s strategy of protecting the regime against internal threats, deterring aggression, safeguarding the homeland if aggression occurs, and extending influence is in large part a defensive one that also serves some aggressive tendencies when coupled with expressions of Iranian regional aspirations. It is in part a response to U.S. policy pronouncements and posture in the region, especially since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. The Iranian leadership takes very seriously the threat of invasion given the open discussion in the United States of regime change, speeches defining Iran as part of the “axis of evil,” and efforts by U.S. forces to secure base access in states surrounding Iran. - 2009 report for the US Air Force

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 3:04 PM  

So I'm a gamma now huh? Yeah Ok. So the British overthrew the Iranian Government for stealing the oil wells they drilled in Iran by themselves, and the Iranians had no use for without Western Technology like cars and electric generators. Oh no! Those evil oil companies that steal the resources of backward natives that don't even know its there to make those evil industries that feed the world and provide lifesaving medicine and technology!
Are you sure you're not a Liberal Democrat? Evil Oil Companies? Really? What the fuck were these Iranians going to do with this oil without Western Technology? Were they going to build another House of Saud like Saudi Arabia?
Why the hell do we buy oil from people that have no use for it that we found and that only our technology allows to be useful? I can understand paying fees and maybe taxes but the idea that they get to sell it to us when they have no way to use it without our technology and didn't even care about it before doesn't sound fair to me.
How do they justify nationalizing all those oil wells that the British built and drilled themselves? That's not theft? They could have done it themselves with camels and sheep?

Blogger ray March 21, 2015 3:07 PM  

Israel is the MRM of nation-states. Folks love to hate it, and it's always a target of satan. Israel's embrace of American secularism is just today's golden calf. . . like the mass-rebellion of 'jewish' females in the U.S. over the past half-century. Meet the New Ahab same as the Old Jezebel.



Israel's doom is recorded in Scripture, by the hands and suffering of its own prophets, but neither the State of Israel (nor much of anybody else) wants what God wants. Israel rejects and persecutes its
own prophets, then demands that God send more. But, not the discomfiting kind of prophets. The kind of prophets that THEY want. lol


Democracy and party-struggles! Money to be made, reputations to be cast. Hey, let's vote on the Bible! Take what looks nice and toss the rest. Power to the People right on! :O)

Everybody wants to play politics and power with a land already spoken-for by the LORD, and reserved to the LORD. Everybody's got an Opinion. Strutting egoists, thieves, political hacks, punk zealots,
petty chessmasters, liars, and worse. All with agendas. Neither Israel nor the world wants to obey the simple commands already given concerning that area. Good luck with that.

P.S. your president took the name Barack (Afro-arabic) Hussein (Arabic) Obama (African) for a reason. He resents the Israeli State as much as he resents the Evil White Male ... or heck, just any male in general, most of whom are superior to him, thereby making him look bad.

Anonymous rienzi March 21, 2015 3:08 PM  

Joshua Sinistar: "How is it stupid for Iran to attack us? With Obama bending over backwards to help them get a bomb, and being on record stating categorically that under no circumstances would he retaliate with a nuclear weapon if an American City was nuked, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for enemies of the United States to take their best free shot against us, while we have a traitor that hates us in the White House.
If we were nuked do any of you believe for a minute this ass in the White House would retaliate? He would drag his feet and bring in the UN and negotiate til he's thrown out physically from the Oval Office to help our enemies attack us."


Joshua, I think it would go like this:
8am, Iran nukes Des Moines.
8:15am, Barack Obama announces he will not retaliate, and will seek diplomatic action from the United Nations.
8:30am, all major polling organizations do quick polsl, finding 95% of Americans want to see the radioactive glass bounce in Iran, and for good measure, they want Obama's head on a pike.
9:00am emergency meetings of both houses of Congress. The Senators and Congressmen from Iowa commit multiple acts of verbal racism against President Obama.
9:30am both Obama and Biden impeached and convicted.
10:00am new president Weepin' Johnny Boehner is sworn into office.
10:30am Iran ceases to exist.
10:45am more nukes rain down on Iran.
11:00am even more nukes rain down on Iran.
11:15am Johnny Boehner, now mad with power, has to be restrained from depleting the entire nuclear arsenal of the US.
11:30am Kim Jong Un announces that he was just kidding, and please, please, please don't take all that "we will nuke you" rhetoric seriously.
NOON: Flash polls put President Boehner's popularity at levels not enjoyed by even George Washington.
12:15pm: buoyed by the polls, President Boehner announces a total amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and the repeal of all taxes on banking industry executives.

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 3:18 PM  

Iran is not going to nuke America.

Seriously, TP'sTB know that boobus Americanus has an over active imagination.

Cry havoc?

And never ever forget. Russia is STILL invading the Ukraine.

Seriously, you people crack me up.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 3:20 PM  

So I'm a gamma now huh? Yeah Ok.

You used the form of the phrase I mentioned yesterday as being most indicative of the Gamma male not once, but twice. So, yes, that is my conclusion. You don't deal with reality. You redefine it to suit you. That's exactly what you're doing now.

Iran is not the aggressor here. The USA is the aggressor. There is no evidence Iran intends to attack anyone, including Israel. The USA is already attacking numerous countries. It is perfectly rational for any country that has had the USA threatening to attack it for more than a decade to seek every means of defending itself. That is true regardless of whether the people running that country are good people or very bad people.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 3:29 PM  

Why do any of you not believe that Iran would nuke us? They are a theocracy that refers to us as "The Great Satan". I'm no expert on Islam but I really don't have to be to realize this is not a flattering statement. Don't get me wrong. When I watch the Dinosaur Media Satan is definitely in there. He seems to be the poor misbegotten hero of the Left that is just terribly misunderstood because he lies and kills people. You know that's hard to believe. Lies and death are such a way of life nowadays, why do they always blame Satan? He's not all bad. He says he was an angel and if you give him your soul you can dance naked on television with cheap whore with venereal diseases that are heroically portrayed by the media while you die a lonely painful death. Is that so bad? Yeah it kind of is really.
Even so, I personally don't worship Satan and don't want cancer and hair loss from rampant radiation because people that live some miles away from me have some Satanic affection. I like my hair and I hear cancer is bad for your health like cyanide or having sex with men in public toilets, but you know that's just my opinion.
I just want someone to tell the Ayatollah to stop building something that might change my life of slow death by smoking and cynicism into a vastly more immediate experience of hair loss and painful dying. Wouldn't it be nice if someone in some sort of authority position felt the same way?

Anonymous Jack Amok March 21, 2015 3:38 PM  

I find it interesting that some people completely ignore practical justifications for actions and insist on considering only moral justifications for them. Is a coup justification the Ayatollahs? Who the fuck cares? The 1953 coup may or may not have "justified" the 1979 revolution, but it sure as hell caused it.

Leftists focus on feelings and judge people based on (the lefty's projected idea of) their intentions instead of on results. It's very convenient, since it allows the Lefty to feel good about doing what he wanted to do, even if that inflicts massive harm on other people.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 21, 2015 3:50 PM  

Oh no! Those evil oil companies that steal the resources of backward natives ...Are you sure you're not a Liberal Democrat? Evil Oil Companies? Really?

And here we have another perfect example of a Straw Man argument. Joshua invents the claim that Vox is saying "Evil Oil Companies" were behind everything, then proceeds to flail at the straw man.

Really, never ceases to amaze me how reapeatable this behavior ends up being. Do no new neural pathways ever form in these people's heads?

Anonymous Salt March 21, 2015 3:57 PM  

Why do any of you not believe that Iran would nuke us?

Astounding. Idiot, do you have any idea what it would even take in nukes to effectively NUKE us? Hell, one of our subs could take out Iran multiple times.

Anonymous Samuel Scott March 21, 2015 3:58 PM  

Vox,

There is no evidence Iran intends to attack anyone, including Israel.

You know that Iran is the largest global sponsor of terrorism?

And Iran already attacks Israel via its proxies Hamas and Hizbollah.

Anonymous Salt March 21, 2015 4:04 PM  

Sam Scott, there is a difference between being a stakehorse and the one sitting at the table; one indirect, the other direct. It's the direct one that Iran is not going to take, at least not yet.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 4:06 PM  

Yeah look you can call me names and say its a straw man argument, but what this Iranian did in the 1950s is exactly the same as what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. And, you know the left made him a big hero for nationalizing an evil oil company and giving money to the poor and setting up a socialist paradise.
The he died of Brain cancer and his best friend Maduro took over and introduced price controls and forced merchants to sell their products for less than they cost because that's just fair right?
Then one day all the toilet paper ran out. What is it with socialism and toilet paper? They always run out of toilet paper first. Is socialism so full of shit that all the toilet paper runs out? But, that's no problem because through the magic of socialism they had hyperinflation and they could wipe their asses with money. Sure they were now broke, but what's that compared to the pleasure of wiping your ass with money right?
Of course it didn't stop there. One day they ran out of food, and the people began to worry because food is one of those things that people like to have around to avoid things like hunger and death. But, they don't have problems with obesity like we do anymore.
Still people were rather upset about seeing their kids starve and started to riot, and the Government dealt with their complaints by deploying death squads. On now we see the violence in the system. You know what's worse than police brutality? Death squads. One of the reasons I don't support socialism is the inconvenience of dealing with death squads. But, you know, that's just my opinion. Vote for Hillary it might be different this time. And if it isn't what difference at this point does it make?

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 4:10 PM  

They are a theocracy that refers to us as "The Great Satan".

Yeah. Eye beam, meet eye beam.

Because, ya know, AmeriKa is holy double holy.

When Iran butchers 50,000,000, endorses peter puffing and poofter stuffing, same sex marriage, and etc., I'll be impressed. - God.

Anonymous Samuel Scott March 21, 2015 4:15 PM  

Sam Scott, there is a difference between being a stakehorse and the one sitting at the table; one indirect, the other direct. It's the direct one that Iran is not going to take, at least not yet.

I once sat next to an Israeli foreign ministry official in a pub in Jerusalem and struck up a conversation. I asked him whether he thought Iran would ever use the bomb if they'd get it.

He said no -- but they'd use the fact that they had the bomb as cover. It'd be a way for them to do more terrorism but minimize the chances of reprisal.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 4:16 PM  

OK. The overthrow of Mossadeh is not justification for the Mullahs. The Mullahs themselves can be condemned for their own actions. The main thing was the 25 years of Savak that was the result of the coup of '53.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 4:19 PM  

What am I missing. Iraq did indeed attack Iran in their war in the '80s. Am I wrong?

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 4:24 PM  

"Actually if Iran gets the bomb they will probably attack us."

Other than Iranian Mullahs/politicians making idiotic statements, can someone point to me any irrational action taken by Iran?

Iran is subject to the NNPT and that is why they have been complaining that they are being subject to a double standard. Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT and it is generally accepted knowledge that they have around 200 nukes. Where is the outrage that Israel does not allow UN inspectors in certain facilities?

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 4:26 PM  

You know that Iran is the largest global sponsor of terrorism?

Yes. And terrorism has not, historically, been any indication that conventional or nuclear attacks are forthcoming. Do you worry about Saudi Arabia nuking the USA because 9/11? Did Israel or Ireland invade Great Britain?

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 4:29 PM  

"You know that Iran is the largest global sponsor of terrorism?"

IS/ISIS/ISIL, Al qaeda in whatever continent is affixed to the acronym are not? Those are Sunnis, or some variant.

I say that Iran is no where close to be the largest sponsor of terrorism. That title goes to the Saudi Arabia - Gulf States team.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 4:48 PM  

All of you seem damn sure that Iran won't use their shiny new bomb even though they have a Golden opportunity to attack us with Obama pledging not to nuke them back. Sure you think that if he doesn't retaliate he's toast and is impeached, right? Wrong! What planet are you living on? This guy is acting like a dictator passing his own laws and no one in Congress cares. The GOP crush the Dmes in the election and the next day they roll over like Obama's bitch again! Is it the color of his skin or does the NSA have something on these guys? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that even if we know for sure Iran did it that someone from the White House will say they don't want to rush to judgement. Like they did when Major Hassan shouted Allahu Akhbar while gunning down American troops at Fort Hood and they didn't want to rush to judgement. When Major Hassan got to court and said he was a soldier of Islam they still called it workplace violence and wouldn't call it terrorism.
This bitch is a traitor. He's letting the Ayatollah get the bomb. He's telling the Israelis he'll shoot down their planes if they bomb their nuclear facilities! What the hell?
Don't tell me they're going to all this trouble and rushing to get one now just because they want an insurance policy. That's bull. Even their Arab neighbors like Saudi Arabia want us to attack Iran!
All of you keep saying the Iranians are not rash and rational. Really? The Ayatollah and the mullahs are rational? If they don't attack now while Obama is here, the next President is not going to stop and sit back while they do this.

Anonymous Samuel Scott March 21, 2015 4:50 PM  

Yes. And terrorism has not, historically, been any indication that conventional or nuclear attacks are forthcoming. Do you worry about Saudi Arabia nuking the USA because 9/11? Did Israel or Ireland invade Great Britain?

Not all terrorists are the same, and each must be viewed in context. The IRA wanted Britain to withdrawal from northern Ireland. Al-Qaeda and Iran want much more -- to destroy the Little and Big Satan. The types of attacks are in proportion to the goals.

I say that Iran is no where close to be the largest sponsor of terrorism. That title goes to the Saudi Arabia - Gulf States team.

Iran directly does terrorism through the Revolutionary Guards and more. Saudi Arabia funds extremist sects as a devil's bargain to ensure that they do not try to depose the government. The Saudi government does not do terrorism directly.

But Saudi Arabia would not tolerate actions that hurt its own interests -- i.e., tolerating attacks that would hurt the ability of the victims to buy its oil.

Anonymous Salt March 21, 2015 5:02 PM  

Sam Scott, would say it's possible a false flag attack on SA might be in the cards, to get them to actively oppose AQ etc?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar March 21, 2015 5:04 PM  

I can see why Vox is not too concerned about Iranian nukes because he's living in Europe, but all of you in the USA better believe that all hell will break loose if a nuke goes off in NYC. Even if you're not in the fallout zone you better worry.
Obama is definitely going to downplay it and say he doesn't want to rush to judgement. I'm not sure that Bonehead or McDonald's new clown will actually impeach this guy if he does nothing because they're completely spineless. even if they do impeach him, would he leave? Probably not. He cares not a whit for law.
He ignores voters, he doesn't negotiate with congress and he ignores court orders from federal judges. This guy is going to have to be carried out. Race riots I expect. What Obama does when they try to remove him is anyone's guess at this point.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 21, 2015 5:43 PM  

Heaviside: "Why shouldn't Israel and its far-flung supporters be considered mortal enemies of Western civilization so long as the Samson Option is still on the table?"

Because compared to w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned, nukes are a non-issue.


Salt: "There is one problem to all of this. God's promise to Israel."

There's no reason for that to be a problem.


p-dawg: "@Heaviside: Hebrews do. Judah is only one tribe."

Then let Hebrews worry about it.


Eric Ashley: "Heaviside, not to be too flaming obvious, but you will one day bow to a Jew."

I don't think so.

Eric Ashley: "Your pagan godlings are my ancestors."

Do you think so?

Eric Ashley: "Why should you wish to worship Wotan? I mean, as my many times great-grandfather, he's probably a swell guy, but really, why not worship me? I'm still alive."

It seems like you don't think so. You are just talking nonsense, intentionally.

Eric Ashley: "Lastly, I don't think Jews will ever be non-hated. The level of hatred is irrational. Its probably Satanic."

It's about what Jews do to their non-Jewish hosts, and about real conflicts of interest. Which is where we came in.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2015 6:14 PM  

"Saudi Arabia want us to attack Iran!"

You understand that Arabs and Persians have no love for each other. These uSA have sided with the Arabs in that conflict because the Iranians gave us, and the Brits, their collective finger, not all but many. I knew a couple of Iranians when in college and about of a couple of others. That was during the "hostage crisis." The pro-Shah were secular and hard party goers. Those I knew and they could not go back to Iran. The others I knew about were nasty and pro-Khomeni.

Blogger Vox March 21, 2015 6:27 PM  

He said no -- but they'd use the fact that they had the bomb as cover. It'd be a way for them to do more terrorism but minimize the chances of reprisal.

I concur.

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 6:36 PM  

I can see why Vox is not too concerned about Iranian nukes because he's living in Europe, but all of you in the USA better believe that all hell will break loose if a nuke goes off in NYC.

OMG! OMG! OMG! Check yer pants everybody!

If a nuke goes of in NYC, I'm putting my bets on elements within our government. Which of course will be blamed on 19 Jack-Booslims.

USA! USA! USA!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 21, 2015 7:00 PM  

It may well be that the president is going to present American Jews with a choice over the coming months no American president should ask us to make—to become parties to and participants in his effort to create what, in 2009, he called “daylight” between the U.S. and Israel.

It's wrong, says John Podhoretz, for any American president to ask American Jews to help make "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel.

Would it be equally wrong for any Israeli prime minister to ask American Jews to help make "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel? The answer is: that wouldn't come up, because an Israeli prime minister wouldn't want "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel. Why not? Because the lack of "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel is at the expense of American interests, not at the expense of Israeli (really Jewish) interests. Lack of "daylight" might sound neutral, but it is not neutral; it represents the domination of organized Jewry in Israel and America over whites in America.

Would it be wrong for any American president to ask American whites to help make "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel? It would be scandalous! American politicians are not allowed to address whites as a group having legitimate interests. Whites being a legitimate group that could have interests that ought to prevail over conflicting Jewish interests -- that would be wholly unacceptable.

Would it be equally wrong for any Israeli prime minister to ask American whites to help make "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel? The answer is: that wouldn't come up, because not only would "daylight" be unwanted but because organized Jewry doesn't recognize whites as a group with legitimate interests. They talk over their heads to white leaders to get what they want, and they inundate whites with propaganda, but a mutual recognition of worth and interests never happens.

Two conclusions:
(1) The Jewish view of what they are entitled to in their relationship with whites is highly aggressive.
(2) Morally barring any American president from asking American Jews to help make "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel is a lot like saying nobody who matters can ask for any effective representation of American interests where they are not identical with Jewish interests, and there is no other group that can legitimately be asked to help with this.

OpenID luagha March 21, 2015 7:23 PM  

"Third holiest site in Islam"

You won't find any references to Dome of the Rock being the third holiest site in Islam until 1929 when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem started conveniently trying to make himself more important and stirring up riots. Or even being important at all.

It wasn't the third holiest site in Islam from 1948-1967 when Jordan controlled it.

It's only important when it can be used as a wedge. Which means very little religious significance at all.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 21, 2015 8:07 PM  

It's only important when it can be used as a wedge. Which means very little religious significance at all.

That seems to be a common feature of a lot of Islam. And now that I think about it, it's a common feature with a lot of leftist crap too.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 21, 2015 8:07 PM  

"I have a dream": to nearly fifty years Israel have had military control on the Fort of Antonio,, aka Temple Mount. If two billion Christians, or one well position one, could petition them to bull doze the Dome of the Rock the world might get somewhere more pleasant and sustainable.

If Israel is the biggest gorilla in the jungle them "im shallah" it is the will of Allah - Allah allowed it to happen - that's the type of fatalism that islam suffers from and is. It is a biggus gorillaillius quasi latin thing.

Christians are incredibly lazy thinkers if they consider the dome of the Rock to be anything other than blasphemy aimed at God. [By God I mean the One who raised Jesus from the Dead and who spoke this Universe into voice activated existence]

Now if one blog entry is sufficiently balanced cogent fair accurate and cleverly located it becomes the single most powerful immovable irresistible force in existence; because that's how words work. It's not simply merely a legal neurolinguistics thing.

Blogger cavalier973 March 21, 2015 9:28 PM  

All that land belongs to Israel, due to the fact that the One who created it gave it to them. There are conditions for Israel to remain in the land, but there is also, I believe, a master plan to end mankind's rebellion against God that seems to include Israel's restoration.

Supporting Israel doesn't necessarily mean one supports the current Israeli government, just as one can love and support the United States while opposing the U.S. FedGov.

Fear of conniving Jews seems rather quaint when one considers the hatefulness the FedGov has historically taken toward its own citizens. It is the real enemy, and trying to thwart "the Jews" from controlling the government is treating a symptom rather than the disease.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 21, 2015 9:42 PM  

We may be hard upon a great moment of testing for American Jews. Are they going to fall for this? Are they going to allow themselves to be used as a wedge against Israel in hostile territory like the United Nations? Are they going to provide more ammunition to the president and his effort to still his critics only weeks before the United States might be announcing its acquiescence to the gravest existential threat the Jewish people have faced since the Holocaust?

...the gravest existential threat the Jewish people have faced since the Holocaust?!!?!!

Is this the gravest existential thread in seventy years, even though it's hardly a threat at all?

Yes.

Anonymous Curtis March 21, 2015 10:19 PM  

Supporting Israel doesn't necessarily mean one supports the current Israeli government...

How about we just support God, and His ultimate plan? God is not going to bring down the new Jerusalem that we may worship the Jews.

Anonymous Anubis March 21, 2015 10:29 PM  

"Being better at something seems to be legitimate reason for being hated through human history." "Just because Jews are better at lobbying is no reason to grouse, gripe or become hateful at them."

Martin Luther wrote a book covering all the financial scams they where good a t500 years ago. It turns out lobbying is the best investment possible every lobbying dollar pays back $760 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-16/words-greatest-investment-every-dollar-spent-influencing-us-politics-corporations-ge

Ireland isn't even in lockstep with itself.

At least the IRA is kicking muslims to the curb, instead of looking the other way when they rape little girls.

American Jews should vote for the same policies they want in Israel to be carried out in the US as in Sealed Borders & the covert sterilization of blacks which occurred in Israel. We shouldn't be giving any foreign aid while we are in debt but giving $8billion a year to a nation that brags about itself being cutting edge is inconceivable.

Anonymous scoobius dubious March 21, 2015 11:33 PM  

I'm not going to bother researching this, but my vague impression of the Iran-Iraq war was that Iran, full of religious revolutionary zeal, sort of like Robespierre, was trying to get a piece of Shia Iraq for their nutty expanding empire. And that Saddam, who was basically a practical-minded secularist, was having none of it. Maybe I'm mistaken. But the fact is that we in America don't really understand "strongman politics" of the third world variety.

I agree that the US is certainly a nuisance, sticking its nose in all sorts of places where it doesn't belong. But the fact that the Iranian govt was toppled in a coup in the 50s is meaningless to today's realpolitik. They had assets and liabilities which were important to more powerful people, and so what happened happened. It's like the Hawai'ians complaining about their annexation. Sorry, guys, you happen to live in a strategically important place that helps control the Pacific. Somebody is going to grab that asset, and it may as well be us, because we're nicer than China or Imperial Japan. "You're on Earth, there's no cure for that!" (Samuel Beckett, Fin de partie)

The Iranians are certainly entitled to whatever priorities they think they think they can get; but so is everyone else. I think it's sad that the USA is behaving the way it is, but it isn't surprising. The country was founded as an independent fortress, which was supposed to be impervious to outside influence, and also indifferent to the politics of others. Instead we've become annoying violent busybodies. Some of this was inevitable, but not all of it. We should conduct our politics as if Jews didn't even exist.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 22, 2015 12:21 AM  

Titus,
I corrected myself. Heaviside seems to be Nipponese, I'm not even remotely. But the broader point stands.

If you're Japanese, Amateratsu, and Eastern European, Chernobog, and me, well, Wotan and Thor are your ancestors. I'm just pointing out that Wotan is a guy, son of Adam, just like me, and since he's dead, he can't do much for you, but if you worship me, well, um, I might be able to spare you a fiver sometime when you need it. But I'll need frequent worship, and long prayers, and offerings of chocolate and hamburger and Coca-cola.

Titus, just start from a YEC Bible believing viewpoint. Clearly the 'gods' came from someplace. This explanation makes more sense than most, and doesn't contradict known facts.

But I've probably wandered too far afield already since this post is supposed to be about 'daylight'.

Heaviside, as all children of Adam (and I believe angels, and AI's) will bow their knee to the Lion of Judah.

1. The Jews are part of the Creator's plan.
2. They already have played a role in kicking the Dragon in the head.
3. Jews are frequently disobedient, stiff necked, etc. etc. This leads to Consequences and Punishments.
4. When Jews act badly, they get people angry at them.
5. This is especially so as they tend to be richer and clearly non-native.

But the level of hatred is clearly over the top. So its a cord composed of many threads, this hatred, but one enduring cord is Satanic revenge. My view is the opposite of Vox's. I don't think Jews can get away from hatred. They can minimize it by good behavior, and by being discreet, but Satan is the god of this world.

A fair number of those 'real conflicts of interest' amount to nothing (See U.N.) or don't exist (see anything Pr. Obama is hyping.). If we ditch the Jews for the Arabs, they're not going to love us. We'll just get dragged into more wars because they have more factions.

Cavalier, I liked it.


Anonymous Heaviside March 22, 2015 1:04 AM  

>I'm just pointing out that Wotan is a guy, son of Adam,

Gods are not men. Gods are not men anymore than genii locorum or kami are. In order to complete a journey of a thousand miles, you have to figure out how to tie your shoes first.

Blogger Noah B March 22, 2015 2:14 AM  

"He said no -- but they'd use the fact that they had the bomb as cover. It'd be a way for them to do more terrorism but minimize the chances of reprisal."

Sort of like us with the drones.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 24, 2015 6:00 AM  

True noninterference should also mean that if the Israelis decide to grab, hold, and use pieces of land for themselves from the muhfuh so-called palestinians, then the US should not criticize nor say word one about it in the UN or any other "international body."

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 25, 2015 9:04 AM  

scoobius dubious

In order to have bases or hold land/territories bu the FedGov, first amend the Constitution to allow it. Until then, it is unconstitutional, unlawful and the cause for these uSA to always declare that we are under a "national emergency," which "authorizes" the POTUS to do all kind of things.

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