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Thursday, March 12, 2015

Diversity = military occupation

France occupies itself:
As the threat of attacks by Islamist extremists remains high in France, President Francois Hollande has decided to continue the deployment of 10,000 troops on the streets across the country.

"The threat of terrorist attack against our country remains high. The head of state has decided to maintain the level of the army on the national territory at 10,000 troops in support of security forces from the Interior Ministry," Hollande’s office said in a statement after a meeting of senior ministers, AFP reported.

A total of 7,000 troops will be monitoring and protecting religious buildings that are “particularly threatened,” the statement added. Among other sites that are being patrolled by the troops are stations, media buildings and various other possible targets for terrorists. The move comes almost two months after deadly attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine’s headquarters and a kosher shop in Paris left 17 people dead.
At some point, someone in France is going to realize that if you're going to pay for 10,000 troops to militarily occupy your own nation, it would be considerably more effective to use all those troops to repatriate the group of people responsible for making the occupation necessary.

And that's assuming they lean towards the more civilized option, which has historically not always been the case in France.

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105 Comments:

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 12, 2015 5:56 AM  

The Fifth Republic has had a pretty good run by French standards. It's now outlasted the Fourth Republic. I'm sure the French were getting a little tired of it anyway.

Anonymous Petar March 12, 2015 5:58 AM  

I'm sure the moronic left will spin this to be the consequence of evil white people. Most likely Front National.
It's time to stop pretending leftists/social liberals are sane people and just establish a political jurisdiction that excludes them.

Anonymous CK March 12, 2015 6:16 AM  

Leftist policies always end with military occupation.

Anonymous zen0 March 12, 2015 6:29 AM  

Seems like a small part threat reduction and large part PR exercise. There are all manner of troops deployed for security in Iraq, but that does not stop attacks.

If the French Jihadis want to get the job done, they will just have to go to suicide and car bombs.

So they will.

Anonymous An Israeli March 12, 2015 6:30 AM  

Seeing this is quite incredible. Even in the years of mass suicide bombings in Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities, I don't recall soldiers patrolling city streets like this.

A similar thing can be seen in European airports. Compared to Ben Gurion airport in Israel, they are overtly militarized. In European airports there are heavily armed uniformed guards inside the terminal itself. In Ben Gurion you see no one who is armed (in the terminal, I mean. There are armed guards at the gate). Sure, they're there, but they don't carry assault rifles and they don't wear uniforms.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 6:40 AM  

It is odd to see the armed patrols in the shopping center and the local synagog has a whole platoon guarding them 24/7 (they are the "vanguard of the republic", after all [Valls] - while my kids' school had to make do with a teacher in a dayglo jacket outside for 2 days after the Charlie massacre.)

But it fits with the compulsory ID cards, unarmed populace and prison for harming burglars/attackers. France is lost, always has been. Their elite had to react quickly because of the revolution and they have been one step ahead in the science of human farming ever since.

The soldiers' patrols used to supervised by police when they declared "vigipirate" now they are just wandering around on their own, machine guns in hand and the populace says nothing. Its a third world country in waiting.

Anonymous SlackAttack March 12, 2015 6:44 AM  

You're right, the French do have a history of losing their heads.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 6:47 AM  

Oh and the propaganda is constant. They have a kids cartoon every morning telling the kids what to think about political events. Yesterday it explained what a bad man Putin was because he wouldn't do what EU and US wanted. Funniest part was that Hollande was draws as being taller than Putin and as tall as Obama! The guy's a sock-puppet dwarf.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 12, 2015 6:52 AM  

Apparently an 18 yo Melbourne, Australia man has just blown himself up somewhere near Ramadi, Iraq. What's salient in the story, congruent with France, is that Melbourne has swallowed exactly the same multi cultic pill als France.

This boy went to a normal public/ state high school, Craigieburn Secondary College, and has come out of his state funded education with the desire to kill kafir. Nothing in his education brought him to the conclusion that the West was worth living for.

ie. Progressives, Liberals, Moral Relativists, Non Judgmental Includers rife living off the public tax teat have just educated a young man in such a way that he didn't see any benefits in not killing kafirs.

This is Paris and Melbourne. It is also Muhammad. It is who he is, what he is.

Up until a generation ago words like, right, wrong, good, bad, just, unjust, holy, profane, loyal, traitor, noble, ignoble, brave, cowardly, prudent, wise, had value and meaning. The generation that destroyed their history destroyed their language and minds with it.

Anonymous TroperA March 12, 2015 6:54 AM  

I don't recall ever seeing this much abject defeatism on display in the countries that used to comprise Western Civllization. In Sweden, politicians and media figures are already welcoming their new Muslim overlords, promising to help round up their fellow Swedes to toil in the Islamic Jihadi Mines. "It can't be helped," they say, "In a few years they're going to be a majority, so we'd better readjust our life to accommodate them." As if throwing the foreigners out wasn't even an option. They're so committed to redistributing the world's wealth (stealing from the middle class to give to the poor and foreign,) that nothing can turn them from this path. France is just a little behind Sweden, but I expect all European nations to follow course in due time.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 12, 2015 7:03 AM  

If conservatives could accomodate in their minds that the current elite was illegitimate then this shit show would collapse. But per usual they find themselves in the usual role of playing Papa to Big Momma Liberal and Radical Child, there to pick up the mess.

Look at the SJWs, are they impressive in any way? Can they in any fashion accept the consequences of their words and actions? No, of course not, they are child like.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 7:04 AM  

French identity has always been about supplication to the state. As long as you are prepared to do what your told you can have a passport. Over 50% of all jobs are civil service or working exclusively for government. The few malcontents can easily be replaced with more compliant citizens. And if the majority want sharia law then they shall have it. it won't bother the elites one bit.

Only people I have met who are seriously concerned is a Syrian christian family who moved here for obvious reasons. They are hyper-vigilant but say they see the same things happening here. Everyone else is convinced the government is suddenly going to pull something out of its ass and solve all the problems it caused in the first place. Its sad how ineffectual these once proud people have made themselves.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 12, 2015 7:11 AM  

Just like old people get dementia, nations and countries do also.

I have come to the opinion that the European is senile. Across the board, political correctness from New Zealand, Australia, Europe and America, the European has lost his mind. Senility is the European character.

Hillaire Belloc said, "The Faith is Europe, and Europe is the Faith". Well, Europe turned its back on God and His Church. It's over. It is across the board, all of Europe has been infected with Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism and they have lost their minds, one and all. Europe, America and the Western Diaspora have not only lost their minds but also their commonsense.

European Senility is the cause du jour.

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 7:16 AM  

"The generation that destroyed their history destroyed their language and minds with it."

Of course, the latter is a necessary tool of the former, and if you remember those words and what they mean, there is a place in the memory hole reserved just for you.

Anonymous Omar's Running Shoes March 12, 2015 7:27 AM  

If I were a conspiracy theorist I would surmise that the way to get the public used to being an occupied country in the first place was to allow the elected officials to open the borders against the wishes of the public in order to allow in the "other" who would, with proper prodding and enough agitprop would begin to flex their muscles. If they failed to act out, false flags could be carried out under the guise of the "other" thus frog in a panning (no pun intended) the population to welcome the militarization of the body politic.

Nah, that's just crazy talk. This simply MUST be evidence of the incompetence theory. You know, the go to explanation for everything that those in power do despite never seeming to fall out of power (which would imply competence).

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

Blogger Rek. March 12, 2015 7:35 AM  

@ Vox

I was reading "Le Camp des Saints" de Jean Raspaille last night. More precisely, Big Other, which is his very short anti-SJWism manifesto. He ends it with a half-disguised hope for someone to write a fiction about 21st century reconquista.

Have you ever thought about writing something like that? Instead of presenting a scenario rooted in "Submission", the book would be called "2033" starting with a bunch of guys breaking Breivik out of prison. heh


Anonymous Hwr-500 March 12, 2015 7:44 AM  

"Have you ever thought about writing something like that? Instead of presenting a scenario rooted in "Submission", the book would be called "2033" starting with a bunch of guys breaking Breivik out of prison. heh."

Maybe we could suggest it to Tom Kratman as a sequel to his book "Caliphate".

Blogger Matamoros March 12, 2015 7:59 AM  

"Maybe we could suggest it to Tom Kratman as a sequel to his book "Caliphate". "

Great idea. How about it Col. Maybe a kind of Die Wacht am Rhein with Muslims instead of Posleen?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 12, 2015 8:08 AM  

Jeremiah, that Prophet, knew that his own people were about to get slaughtered en masse. Here are all of these alphabet agencies reading blogs like this to see if the "we" here aren't about to turn to catch the PC mantra, "violent extremism". Like paint some flowers on my Combi and go and live in the desert. If "we" were going to be violent extremista the alphabets could run to the rescue and round up the white conservative bigots and show trial them and earn their service medals for bravery and saving the "tolerators" from "extremism". This would all be funny but bigger better Jihad is just a demographic or immigration explosion away.

It's so very simple. Muhammad is a blaspheming anti Christ. Everything Alphabets do to aid and abet his infiltration brings his ultimate destruction closer. Because that's who Muhammad is. A blaspheming anti Christ.

Now that can all be argued dialectically. but unfortunately even alphabets seem to be running on female emotion/ or the PC Jane Fonda generation sci fi orgasmatron. Return to natural nation building common law precepts that already exist. Just Repent. Get your own souls saved. If you value your lives kneel.

Blogger Salt March 12, 2015 8:20 AM  

Ho hum. The fox is in the chicken house. Patrol the chicken house. Quite the solution that.

Blogger David March 12, 2015 8:35 AM  

The cultural Marxism trend, the Great Asset Mania and enabling Mother of All Credit Bubbles are all rooted in overweening trust and unprecedented complacency.

Some of us believed apogee in all of them was due 20 years ago, yet here we are, slapped bloody by Reality's desire to mask the benefit of wisdom. Truth really remains stranger than fiction.

With a common root, all three trees will topple more or less together.

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 8:36 AM  

Sheriff to my Grandfather: "Just make sure the fox has a gun in its hand by the time I get there."

Anonymous Alexander March 12, 2015 8:37 AM  

Hmm, well looking at the picture of the 'French' soldier at the top of the RT article... 'occupation' fit on multiple levels. Pierre and Maurice have quite some way to go before France returns to the French.

Blogger David March 12, 2015 8:41 AM  

Trend-following suggests that Europe will soon be part of the Caliphate and the USA will largely be majority low-IQ Meso-American. A predictive model based on trends/trend reversals predicts a change, but historical precedents offer quite the spectrum of possible future paths (some more bloody and chaotic than others.)

If Lind is correct and the nation-state has outlived its purpose (now being the main source of chaos, rather than a provider of order...if it ever was), then the reversal of multiculturalism and open-border/welfare-state/birthright-citizenship will be accompanied by oh So Much More.

Blogger Doom March 12, 2015 8:54 AM  

Well, it IS France. They have always been a bit... off. I wonder how long it will take them to realize that when you have to occupy your own nation, you are doing it wrong? Then again, they couldn't keep Algiers and tiny nations along the Ivory Coast. Not sure they will ever figure it out... until well after they lose most of France. Technically, since they are occupying it, they already have lost those parts... some *cough* might say. I'm trying to remember the last war they actually won. Their Revolution? Nope, they lost that, through both iterations of it. Hmm... It's been a while. But they excel at losing! An A for... effort? :p

Anonymous cecil March 12, 2015 9:09 AM  

Get the immigrants out. Amen.

The issue is that they have been brought in on purpose and with evil and genocidal intent. Otherwise they would not persist and like Sarkozy, actually call for genocide by miscegenation.


Diversity means chasing down the last white person.

Blogger David March 12, 2015 9:17 AM  

Illinois' new governor illustrated the axiom that "government is the ultimate committee, and as such is always the last entity to follow a change in trend that is already well under way" recently when he stated support for "immigration reform" (AKA open borders.) His administration claimed that it's economically more favorable to recognize the illegal flood rather than deport them.

Clearly the man hasn't set foot in a grade school recently, where native English speakers are rapidly approaching minority status. Who does the governor think paid (and pays) all the taxes for the schools, all those recent arrivals?

Blogger Lucas March 12, 2015 9:43 AM  

The troops on the ground was always their goal. They just use muslims to get there.

Blogger Robert March 12, 2015 9:56 AM  

Greetings from a regular reader working with French LE and military for a living...

The patrol thing cannot be sustained much longer because of the overseas missions and training schedules being upset. It's neither effective nor well organised, mostly a PR operation by our government.

Notice the soldiers don't guard churches, only synagogues and mosques... Church attacks are on the rise and account for >90% of religion-related incidents in France. Then again, Christians are the only ones to oppose the government on abortion, euthanasia and gay "marriage"/children for sale.

My strong suspicion is that the people in power have decided to convert to Islam when the time comes, thus hoping to remain in power. In the mean time, they manage the islamisation process to make it less obvious/painful for the French population and demoralize the law enforcement and the military with impossible burdens.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 12, 2015 10:12 AM  

A comment from Steve Sailer's blog:

I am a contract background investigator for the U.S. Govt (OPM) on security clearances. There is a huge number of new hires in the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service for Immigration Officers. I would say about 90% of the backgrounds I do on these new hires were born in a third-world country (POBs that seem to come up a lot: Somalia, Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia, Sudan, Haiti, Jamaica). Most were born, raised, and went to school in the third-world country (their quasi-college degrees are from there). They all get top secret security clearances (only one percent of all applicants are denied a security clearance by the U.S. Govt/DSS). Some are dual citizens and already hold top secret clearances (a periodic review investigation).

It’s going to be more of a clusterf*ck in the coming decades than the most pessimistic iSteve reader can imagine.

Blogger David March 12, 2015 10:15 AM  

All regimes rest on popular consent.

Western nations' citizens are still FDH (Fat, dumb & happy) but how much longer can that last? When the tide turns, current rulers will be tossed out like yesterday's used diapers and new rulers aligned with the new narratives will be installed.

France's (and all Western governments') actions today look very end-stage desperate to me. The leading edge of the new trend is visible to those willing to see it. Governments will be the last to turn, and as such are the ultimate lagging indicator.

Blogger Salt March 12, 2015 10:20 AM  

None of this is sustainable.

It’s going to be more of a clusterf*ck in the coming decades than the most pessimistic iSteve reader can imagine.

Yup

"These police officers were standing there and they were shot, just because they were police officers," St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told reporters early on Thursday.

"I have said all along that we cannot sustain this forever without problems," he said, referring to festering tensions in the city since Brown's death last summer.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 10:27 AM  

French LE and military
I find most French are Lawful Evil too, with a few Chaotic Neutrals ;)

Blogger Jourdan March 12, 2015 10:31 AM  

There are a lot of commentators here who simply do not understand France. It's especially frustrating to read as France, by any measure, has a much better organized and intelligent resistance to the EU/U.S. multi-cult state than the United States does, by a country mile.

NRO-style mainstream Conservative, Inc. snide remarks about surrendering and losing wars are not a sign of intelligence. On the contrary, they are quite large signs that read "Knows Nothing About France".

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 10:32 AM  

Look on the bright side, red rivers are colourful.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 10:32 AM  

"I have said all along that we cannot sustain this forever without problems," he said, referring to festering tensions in the city since Brown's death last summer.

Well, the obvious solution is to punish/prey upon more white Americans... and keep wondering why your natural allies won't help you any longer...

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 10:36 AM  

@Fnord P: We hear about the Front National gaining ground in national level politics...how are they doing at local or department levels? Is it possible that FN could exercise effective control over some portions of the country and get away with ignoring the more idiotic Parisian policies?

Anonymous The other skeptic March 12, 2015 10:37 AM  

My strong suspicion is that the people in power have decided to convert to Islam when the time comes, thus hoping to remain in power. In the mean time, they manage the islamisation process to make it less obvious/painful for the French population and demoralize the law enforcement and the military with impossible burdens.

I have this theory that the PtB periodically try to import a new religion because over time the religious hierarchy becomes too much in opposition to the secular authorities, too much of a constraint on the power of the secular authorities.

Blogger Vox March 12, 2015 10:40 AM  

There are a lot of commentators here who simply do not understand France. It's especially frustrating to read as France, by any measure, has a much better organized and intelligent resistance to the EU/U.S. multi-cult state than the United States does, by a country mile.

No question. I keep pointing out that Europeans are reacting much more strongly to a much smaller invasion than Americans are. The anti-immigration European parties are within a decade of complete power throughout Europe. The Americans don't even HAVE an anti-immigration party.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 10:54 AM  

The Americans don't even HAVE an anti-immigration party.

It's actually worse: we are limited to 2 pro-immigration parties. We do have hundreds of millions of rifles in the hands of increasingly angry, disenfranchised. and frustrated Americans. The only questions are exactly how it falls apart and when.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 10:56 AM  

Jourdan: "NRO-style mainstream Conservative, Inc. snide remarks about surrendering and losing wars are not a sign of intelligence. On the contrary, they are quite large signs that read "Knows Nothing About France"."

Yes.

It also raises questions about whether they know where their interests lie.

Between Dominique Venner (RIP) and French-bashers like Jonah Goldberg at National Review, I have no trouble telling which side is mine.

Blogger rcocean March 12, 2015 10:56 AM  

"NRO-style mainstream Conservative, Inc. snide remarks about surrendering and losing wars are not a sign of intelligence."

Exactly. These people are still chattering about WW2 which occurred 70 years ago. They probably think all the French go around in Berets eating croissants & saying "ooh-la-la".

Blogger Jourdan March 12, 2015 11:02 AM  

Exactly, and everyone knows they don't say "ohh-la-la", they say "honhonhonnn!"

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler March 12, 2015 11:03 AM  

I think this song by Rammstein speaks to essence of this all: We are all living in AmeriKa

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 11:04 AM  

Well I've lived here for nearly twenty years. I make no claims to understand them but I do know what they are doing to this country.

Briefly, its a nationalist socialist state - with state being the operative word. Frenchness isn't based on skin color, origin, political belief or anything like that it is about obedience to the French state - that is all.

It is soul destroying to talk to children 12/13 years old planning the convoluted 20 year plan through various schools, exams, licenses, concours etc... necessary to end up in a mediocre civil service job in their thirties (think ancient china). Forget about running your own business without the right connections.

Meanwhile the children of the elite have a parallel higher education system (google grands ecoles) where entry is based on interview and connections (yes a few of the very best also get in along with the children of the politicians, business owners etc) and attendance guarantees you the pick of any job you fancy. I know French doctors that are resentful because they have to become doctors since the only way to a job is connections.

It's fascist in the true sense: the government has controlling interest in most large industries and those that don't work hand-in-hand through various official "committees" (I'll not mention the endemic nepotism and corruption covered up by laws that prevent facts about private lives being revealed - not slander/ liable laws - laws against mentioning peoples' private lives whether it is true are not.

Shoot a burglar? You end up in jail. Menaced in the street? NEVER hit first - third party witnesses have to verify that "they would have felt under threatened too" to avoid going to prison ( a neighbor is a former high ranking police man who explains the law to me - I'm always flabbergasted.)

Random ID checks, very dodgy police AND NOW soldiers in the streets - yeah they are looking out for someone but its not for me or my kids...

A colleague from the former USSR loved it - he said this was the way his country would have eventually ended up if the wall hadn't fallen.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 12, 2015 11:07 AM  

The woman that runs Refugee Resettlement Watch said "We can survive terrorism, we can not survive 3rd world migration". I myself would rather live in Oscar Wildes' London than today's Paris.


"I have come to the opinion that the European is senile"- Someone has been slipping arsenic in the well.

"Rek.@ Vox "I was reading "Le Camp des Saints" ... someone to write a fiction about 21st century Reconquista..., the book would be called "2033" starting with a bunch of guys breaking Breivik out of prison. heh"

You mean a book like The Turner Diaries or The Brigade? I first heard about the Turner Diaries from people who volunteered to help with Katrina, who became race realists afterwards, which shows experience is the best teacher. They said the Turner Diaries came true. I guess when savages are shooting at medevac helicopters the NABALT rings hollow. One solution would be to trick leftists into volunteering for a week at Bon Secours Hospital in Baltimore.

"I have said all along that we cannot sustain this forever without problems," he said, referring to festering tensions in the city since Brown's death last summer."

Oddly there where calls to disarm the Ferguson police right before the shooting from MSNBC host Ed Shultz. Maybe if he had Soros giving $33 million to support civilization instead of the rioters. The slogan they said in the gay zones they protested was than "an unarmed black gets shot dead by cops every 28 hours", but the best martyr they could find was a guy caught on video beating up a little Asian liquor store clerk 10 min before he was shot. http://weaselzippers.us/211384-blacklivesmatter-annoy-privileged-white-males-at-gay-bars-until-people-throw-things-at-them/

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 11:17 AM  

@Fnord P: We hear about the Front National gaining ground in national level politics...

They are a just another mainstream party now. As soon as they had their first seat in parliament, Marine Le Pen was presented to the Jewish lobby (maybe a bad example but it represents the status quo in France) - I think her father disowned her (I don't know the details - I'm not interested).

They are a distraction, full of sound a fury signifying nothing to keep those few remaining old fashioned Frenchmen voting until they die out and are replaced by compliant vibrants (PM Valls has just announced €1 billion to start settling the immigrants in those pesky rural areas because the cities & suburbs are fked);

The last great threat to the communists was the Hunters Party which was just a load of nice blokes who wanted to go hunting but they got tarred and feathered out of politics by the PC witch hunters.

Even if FN get anywhere (the hate potential voters face from the public is astounding) they'll never make a dent on the current establishment. French politicians are clearly puppets for someone else's agenda - they are not even pretending anymore.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 11:25 AM  

has a much better organized and intelligent resistance to the EU/U.S. multi-cult state than the United States does, by a country mile.

Sorry, there is no way that the French are standing up to any EU/US/UN agenda - they are simply doing it in parallel and they are way ahead because of the isolation they can achieve through the language - its a whole thesis...but I'm done for today.

Blogger Corvinus March 12, 2015 11:32 AM  

No question. I keep pointing out that Europeans are reacting much more strongly to a much smaller invasion than Americans are.

Part of the problem may be that, well, to put it bluntly: it's okay to f*ck Latin American and Asian women, but not Muslim women. Usually, countries allow immigration if the immigrants' women are more attractive than the local women, but will shut it off if they aren't. Compare Britain and Japan.

The anti-immigration European parties are within a decade of complete power throughout Europe. The Americans don't even HAVE an anti-immigration party.

Thank our stupid winner-take-all elections for that. The most we have is an anti-immigration subset of the Republican Party, headed by Jeff Sessions. And he's getting up there in years.

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Blogger Corvinus March 12, 2015 11:35 AM  

Sorry, there is no way that the French are standing up to any EU/US/UN agenda -

I think in some ways the French are actually worse than the Anglo countries. A constitutional ban on collecting statistics on ethnicity, race, or religion? They won't even know when they go majority Muslim. Plus there's the little phenomenon of making nonwhite countries such as French Guiana or Mayotte the equivalent of U.S. states. At least we only did that with Hawaii.

OpenID cailcorishev March 12, 2015 11:41 AM  

There is a huge number of new hires in the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service for Immigration Officers. I would say about 90% of the backgrounds I do on these new hires were born in a third-world country

Sounds like Silicon Valley: once you bring in a few who are competent enough to rise to hiring positions, inertia and their own racial/national loyalties will take care of the rest.

Blogger Robert March 12, 2015 11:41 AM  

I mostly concur with Fnord. As a man born on the other side of the Iron Curtain, I often comment that France evolved into a socialist democracy like the Warsaw Pact ones were, only with better social control and lower morals. This said, a number of patriots are buying arms and getting re-informed (organised is another matter). Look up www.fdesouche.com if you want a look behind the French mirror.

OpenID cailcorishev March 12, 2015 11:45 AM  

There are a lot of commentators here who simply do not understand France.

If by "here" you mean on this blog, I don't think you see much "surrender monkey" stuff here. But if you know France, please educate us, and I don't mean that facetiously. I know one guy from there, and I hear the same thing: that there's a strong undercurrent of traditional thinking and opposition to the mainstream Euro-leftism on the surface.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 11:58 AM  

"Among the counter-terrorism measures, French authorities announced last week that they would double Islamic courses at universities to raise awareness about the threat of radical Islamism, and to avoid French imams being financed by foreign sources."

Quite, quite: one can never have too much Islamic education, don't you think?

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 12:09 PM  

to avoid French imams being financed by foreign sources.

Indeed, French Imams should be financed by the French! Vive La Belle Banlieue!

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 12:18 PM  

Stilicho: "Indeed, French Imams should be financed by the French! Vive La Belle Banlieue!"

Isn't there also a problem with French jihadists being armed and trained at the expense of foreign sources? Surely there must be a solution for that.

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 12, 2015 12:21 PM  

Being more prepped to deal with immigration, and being less competent generally than America are not mutually exclusive.

The last French naval victory was when Admiral De Grasse helped Washington at Yorktown. correct? If so, that's two centuries of loss, which more than justifies a few sneers about French military incompetence.

Embrace reality, not over partisanship.

Blogger Marissa March 12, 2015 12:46 PM  

Does losing equate to incompetence? Are the Seattle Seahawks incompetent?

Blogger Jourdan March 12, 2015 12:54 PM  

Explaining France is a tough task, but let me try to make a start here with three basic things one needs to know about France.
1. The French Republic is Universalist in its aspirations. In the modern era, France has bounced from a throne-and-altar nation state monarchy (the Bourbons), a quasi-British style constitutional monarchy (the Orleans aka the July Monarchy), an empire with aspirations to rule others (the two Napoleons), and a republic which announced itself as the keeper and defender of universally-applicable to all peoples and nations Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. This internal conflict was resolved in favor of the Republic by the time of WWI and is now permanently cemented to the concept of what is means to be French. In Republican eyes, a citizen of the Republic is a citizen is a citizen; it makes no difference to the Republic and its law what ethnicity, race or religion that person is. The duty of the Republic is to extend Republican values to the wider world, as they are universal. In this sense, French universalism often clashes with American Universalism; not because the two are so different, but because they are so similar.
2. The French Republic is Patriotic and Militaristic. Again, due to similarity and not difference, Americans have a difficult time understanding this as they think of the French as weak and losers of war. However, as recently showed yet again by its unilateral and very robust military intervention in Chad, France remains the only European state with a strong military and, more importantly, the military and patriotic political tradition to use it unilaterally at distance in other states when France’s interest is implicated. This makes France an outlier in Europe (note: as far as the writer is concerned, the UK is not, and never will be, European) and a tougher ally of the United States in military matters, most notably in NATO.
3. France is a Unitary, Highly-Centralized State. Here France differs wildly from the United States. France has no decentralization of powers; even when powers are present in local and provincial bodies they have been expressly devolved from Paris and may be taken back or re-organized at any time. This centralizing feature dates from the Bourbons, but found its logical apotheosis under the First Empire, when the needs of defending the Revolution and France drove the State to complete mobilization and centralization. Thus, the French State is central to French political, economic and social life in a way that is alien to the Anglo tradition and, therefore, incorrectly strikes persons of that tradition as akin to socialist totalitarianism. Solidarity with the State is seen as a Republican virtue, as the State is the legal embodiment of the nation’s general will, and thus democratic, not totalitarian.

Blogger Lucas March 12, 2015 12:55 PM  

Converting to islam as means to retain power is a very interesting theory in deed.

Anonymous Danby March 12, 2015 1:09 PM  

Democratic and totalitarian are not antonyms. Totalitarian refers to the scope of powers considered proper to the state. Democratic refers to the source of legitimacy for that power.
Most democratic states are totalitarian, to some extent,, and become more so over time.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 1:12 PM  

Jourdan March 12, 2015 12:54 PM, thanks.

All this is catastrophic, of course, when the state has become an enemy of the nation.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 1:15 PM  

Indeed, French Imams should be financed by the French!

I know I said I was done - BUT this is exactly what they think! This why I see the future here as worse than, say UK or Germany. Historically, the French "national identity" was forced on the various regions from the centralized Parisian elite (royalty then the "government"). Regional languages are verboten, regional politics defused (you cannot be prefect [something-maybe-like a senator?] in a region you were born in etc...). everyone is French!

All decision making powers (ministries, committees, schools etc...) are centralized in Paris (if you are waiting for an exam they can phone you in the provinces to take it the next day in Paris - guess who that favorises?)

The new immigrants will be subsumed into France the same way Brittany, Normandy, Savoy, Vendee, Province etc were - with the de facto appellation of French-ness - and never mind the "colonies" (use that word here and you'll get some very funny looks - they are not "colonies" apparently, they are actual parts of France that just happen to be situated oversea [as was Algeria before the natives decided otherwise]).

This diverse group are isolated from the rest of the world via the language (huge subsidies for French language film, TV, press, books - nothing for Breton :( ) and told that they are the brave culturally exceptional French, united against the terrible anglo-saxons who want to rape them with capitalism and dirty English words! And what will save them is the (strictly controlled) French language (the very tool of their oppression).

Anyone can get a French passport and that (and speaking French) makes you French. Compare it to UK where you can become British but you will never be English, Welsh etc unless you were born there. France doesn't have that degree of granulation of identity - you are or you aren't. French from Guyana have the same French-ness as French from Champagne or the Pyrenees - French-ness is a political identity not a geographical one.

Of course there are people protesting the immigration and the loss of traditional French values (e.g. religion) but these are not the values of the state in the way a UK nationalist can point to white skin and protestantism as part of his national identity. Clearly its much more nuanced but French nationalism is whatever a small, centralized clique decide it is - if that involves giving Islam equal status as a tolerated religion as Catholicism for the sake of the greater good then they will (and they do).

Anonymous Eric Ashley March 12, 2015 1:24 PM  

Have the Seahawks lost every match for the last fifty years?

To answer your question more thoroughly. Incompetence can have two definitions. One is I=Lose, and the other is I=Does this Group fail to meet some broadly held and reasonable standard of skill in their endeavour? First I does tend to be strong evidence of Second I.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 1:25 PM  

@ Fnord, well, that sounds as if whoever can take control of Paris is A) the de facto and de jure legitimate authority in the eyes of the French and B) whoever controls Paris gets to define "French"... altogether a situation that, if not outright fragile, is at least non-resilient. No wonder their politics tend to paranoia.

Anonymous Alexander March 12, 2015 1:35 PM  

So. "Paris is worth a mass" appears to be the most politically astute thing anyone has ever said. Control Paris, control L'Hexagone.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 1:37 PM  

Fnord P: "The new immigrants will be subsumed into France the same way Brittany, Normandy, Savoy, Vendee, Province etc were..."

I suspect it's more that Muslims are gearing up to subsume the nation of France into the ummah the way that Revolutionary France subsumed Vendee...

And they can do it, with organized Jewry and the French state on their side.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 1:48 PM  

whoever can take control of Paris...
The current incumbents are very well entrenched so I'm sure it will be a negotiated settlement more than conquest but I can see a France ruled by the same people as now only "reverted", telling the dhimmah to pay their jizya more easily than in some other European nations.

Blogger Marissa March 12, 2015 1:57 PM  

Have the Seahawks lost every match for the last fifty years?

To answer your question more thoroughly. Incompetence can have two definitions. One is I=Lose, and the other is I=Does this Group fail to meet some broadly held and reasonable standard of skill in their endeavour? First I does tend to be strong evidence of Second I.


Fair enough, I think you're right. But I also think the biggest problem with the French military is that a lot of the population hates them so much.

Blogger Jourdan March 12, 2015 1:58 PM  

Setting an academic analysis aside for a moment, let me put it this way.

If you told me you had credible evidence that a U.S. Army colonel was currently plotting with some fellow officers to topple the U.S. government and install an authoritarian state to revitalize the nation-state, I would be shocked.

If you told me you had credible evidence of a French colonel right now doing the same thing, I would be shocked that there was only one.

Anonymous Alexander March 12, 2015 2:37 PM  

That seems like a recipe for disaster if we get a nationalized, violently anti-Islamic Britain and Germany next to the establishment French ruling with the trappings of a fundamentalist Islamic state.

Will do wonders for popcorn futures, at any rate.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 2:55 PM  

Following round one, I see France 100% Sharia, Britain and Germany partitioned (after war or govt sell out I don't know which). After that? Anybody's guess

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 3:32 PM  

@Robert
I followed the link to fdesouche - Cheers. Some interesting stuff. ended up listening to Valls - what a weaselly little shit of a man he is. He stands there in parliament saying word for word, "FN are racist, homophobic, sexists but I won't give any examples because it's systemic and everyone knows it's true!"

He sounds exactly like a hysterical SJW from #GamerGate, exactly, and he's (reputedly) running a country? I'd laugh more if he wasn't in charge of spending over half the money I earn here.

Blogger Jourdan March 12, 2015 3:33 PM  

Well, Eric, I'm looking at a live news feed from the Persian Gulf right now and along with the USS Carl Vinson tossing bombs ISIS's way, I see the Charles DeGualle. Any other European powers have an aircraft carrier that can operate jointly with the United States Navy?

(Even if I were to consider the UK European, which I do not, I'm very sorry to say I don't think the Royal Navy can realistically claim it could do so at this point)

Anonymous John Smallberries March 12, 2015 3:34 PM  

"They are a distraction, full of sound a fury signifying nothing to keep those few remaining old fashioned Frenchmen voting until they die out and are replaced by compliant vibrants..."

That describes the GOP to a T (correcting for geographic differences of course).

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 3:40 PM  

Jourdan: "Even if I were to consider the UK European..."

What do you consider to be European, and more importantly, why does it matter what's European?

Blogger Josh March 12, 2015 3:48 PM  

Anyone predicting that France is going to fall to the Muslims is an idiot.

Blogger Josh March 12, 2015 3:50 PM  

What do you consider to be European, and more importantly, why does it matter what's European?

Pan European identity is dead, if it ever really existed.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 3:55 PM  

Pan European identity is dead
Iceland agrees

But I don't think that means that Airstrip One can claim to be part of another continent just yet...

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 3:59 PM  

Re: Iceland: excellent!

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 4:05 PM  

@Josh Anyone predicting that France is going to fall to the Muslims is an idiot.
I never said "fall" I implied "accommodate". Just based on observation - out of my window every day for the last 20 years. I glad to hear you have better sources because its not something I look forward to.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 4:14 PM  

Fnord P: "But I don't think that means that Airstrip One can claim to be part of another continent just yet..."

Eventually it will always have been part of another continent. And always have been at war with Oceania.

Blogger Corvinus March 12, 2015 4:16 PM  

Anyone predicting that France is going to fall to the Muslims is an idiot.

As long as Muslims have more children than native French, it's inevitable. France's future is as a mulatto Muslim pit.

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 4:18 PM  

What is the difference between "accommodating" Islam and submitting to it?

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 4:20 PM  

Pan European identity is dead, if it ever really existed.

It's just a myth used to justify the latest attempt at creating a Pan-European empire. The Holy Roman Emperors, Napoleon, Hitler, et al. were just more honest about their ambitions.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2015 4:24 PM  

What is the difference between "accommodating" Islam and submitting to it?

Timing. The principle is the same, it's just a difference of degree that changes over time, due to the nature of Islam (you either fight or submit, there is non third path in the eyes of Islam).

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 4:29 PM  

Corvinus: "As long as Muslims have more children than native French, it's inevitable. France's future is as a mulatto Muslim pit."

Muslims may always have more children than white French.

The question is whether the whites will survive in their own territory, perhaps a part of what they had, or in some other place of their own, or whether they'll be crowded, blended and tyrannized to collective death. (Yes, the result would be a mulatto pit, not ethnically "French" in any meaningful sense.)

The optimum, of course, would be for the Muslims to keep out-breeding the French, but in their own distant countries.

But for this to happen, the French must become self-governing. They need to be able to appoint leaders who are of the same people and want them to survive, without being over-ruled.

The will of the present dominant minority, expressed through policies in white countries around the world, is that we go extinct. We can't hope to alter that will, or reduce the determination to enforce it. We can only hope to over-rule it, in spite of all the obstacles and the odds.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 4:35 PM  

Stilicho: "It's just a myth used to justify the latest attempt at creating a Pan-European empire. The Holy Roman Emperors, Napoleon, Hitler, et al. were just more honest about their ambitions."

Napoleon and Hitler fought Asia meaning Russia -- a worthless project from the point of view of white interests.

The EU is worse than that. It is not about an empire of the Europeans but about an end to the native Europeans.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 4:38 PM  

What is the difference between "accommodating" Islam and submitting to it?

The rulers of France don't see being Islamic as incompatible with being French (many current French may disagree but their subservience to the state is phenomenal to behold - they'll accept it if gubbmint tells them it 'raciss' not to cf previous post on Valls - yes its that blatant).

Some may emigrate to UK, Canada et al. (as most enterprising French already do) but France the country will do en block whatever their leaders decide.

If they were offered continued rulership in exchange for becoming a satrap they would agree (and help round up the population that didn't agree. Any resistance would be based outside the hexagon - maybe Reunion?)

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 4:44 PM  

If I woke up to find a wild lion living in my house, I might well take up the role of satrap to preserve my own skin, but I wouldn't expect the accommodation to last any longer than the meat.

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 4:50 PM  

@kfg
After the Battle of Agincourt - the bloodiest battle the world had ever seen at the time - The French and English kings dined together on the battlefield and discussed the day.

They just don't think or act like you do

Anonymous Anubis March 12, 2015 4:53 PM  

"Indeed, French Imams should be financed by the French! "

Just like Imams in the US & UK are because muslims consider welfare to be jizya and they use some of the welfare to fund the imams. The best thing that could happen to France is if their version of welfare/foodstamps/dole went down, Paris might become a burned out shell but it can be rebuilt. Génération Identitaire is Frances version of Golden Dawn. http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2012/10/generation-identitaire-young-frenchmen.html

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 4:55 PM  

kfg: "If I woke up to find a wild lion living in my house, I might well take up the role of satrap to preserve my own skin, but I wouldn't expect the accommodation to last any longer than the meat."

Yes.

But there's a complication. What if the dominant people in the big house didn't really regard it as their house -- what if they were going to call for their plane tickets when the lion got too hungry? And what if the rest of the relatively elite people in the house accepted the standards of the very top people, like sheep following a Judas goat?

They might go along with the idea that it was stylish rather than fatal to have a lion growing up in the house. After all, all the top people are at ease with it!

Anonymous Fnord P March 12, 2015 5:05 PM  

That Génération Identitaire video was three years ago - look at their website now - no events - one update a month hardly wildfire. They get banned and they give up. Marches are not allowed so they don't turn up. I've seen an impromptu rally turned back by one one policeman asking to see a permit. I've been to meetings where the venue is sent a hour before hand - because otherwise the police close it down (no reason needed ) - god knows I tried but the French move en masse or not at all and the masses are not about keeping France for the (current) French anymore.

Anonymous Hrw-500 March 12, 2015 5:14 PM  

The website of Génération identitaire is no more but they seem to be still alive on Facebook.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 12, 2015 5:22 PM  

I believe France and the other European nations will awake and reassert their national identities. It is delayed only because the status quo is comfortable right now.

The US however I think is screwed. Even if you somehow remove all non-European descended persons, you still have a multicultural empire within the 50 states. You have German, Irish, Italian, Scandinavian along with Texans and Southerners.

Material prosperity can keep the lid on, but that's rapidly disappearing in both the EU and the US.

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 5:28 PM  

Titus Didius Tacitus: Right. So the difference between accommodation and submission is . . . timing.

With the lion deciding when the time is right.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 12, 2015 6:27 PM  

Heaven's jealousy, that works its will,
Sped thus on Troy its destined ill,
Well named, at once, the Bride and Bane;
And loud rang out the bridal strain;
But they to whom that song befell
Did turn anon to tears again;
Zeus tarries, but avenges still
The husband's wrong, the household's stain!
He, the hearth's lord, brooks not to see
Its outraged hospitality.

Even now, and in far other tone,
Troy chants her dirge of mighty moan,
Woe upon Paris, woe and hate!
Who wooed his country's doom for mate-
This is the burthen of the groan,
Wherewith she wails disconsolate
The blood, so many of her own
Have poured in vain, to fend her fate;
Troy! thou hast fed and freed to roam
A lion-cub within thy home!

A suckling creature, newly ta'en
From mother's teat, still fully fain
Of nursing care; and oft caressed,
Within the arms, upon the breast,
Even as an infant, has it lain;
Or fawns and licks, by hunger pressed,
The hand that will assuage its pain;
In life's young dawn, a well-loved guest,
A fondling for the children's play,
A joy unto the old and grey.

But waxing time and growth betrays
The blood-thirst of the lion-race,
And, for the house's fostering care,
Unbidden all, it revels there,
And bloody recompense repays-
Rent flesh of kine, its talons tare:
A mighty beast, that slays, and slays,
And mars with blood the household fair,
A God-sent pest invincible,
A minister of fate and hell.

Anonymous Rhys March 12, 2015 7:01 PM  

A total of 7,000 troops will be monitoring and protecting religious buildings that are “particularly threatened,”

In Australia the government paid for security guards outside Islamic schools because of the 'fear' of, so far non existent, reprisals from Aussies whereas Aussie schools, which might be genuine terror targets by muslims get nothing.

I wonder in France how many of these protected religious buildings are mosques being protected against a non existent patriotic reprisal?

Anonymous kfg March 12, 2015 7:02 PM  

Well played.

Blogger WildClaw March 12, 2015 9:50 PM  

While nationalism rises in Europe, libertarianism is growing in America. it will be interesting to see the differences between the results.

Anonymous Discard March 13, 2015 2:11 AM  

ZhukovG: I am at least three of the categories that you mention. How does that mean the U.S. is screwed if all non-Europeans were removed? Am I going to war with my English-Polish neighbors from Tennessee?

Anonymous Fnord P March 13, 2015 2:44 AM  

@ Rhys They're mostly for Jewish schools, synagogs and some patrols in public areas like train stations & shopping centers. Don't know if any are for mosques. None are for churches or Christian schools.

Blogger Tom Kratman March 13, 2015 9:18 PM  

"Great idea. How about it Col. Maybe a kind of Die Wacht am Rhein with Muslims instead of Posleen?"

I wouldn't do it as a sequel to Caliphate, but just this evening I was contemplating M Day, Inc. smuggling a fair number of Austrian Saurer IFVs out of the Czech Republic, through Germany, to a wholly owned and heavily armed freighter, then seeing smoke upwind and smelling burnt pork on the breeze.

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