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Monday, March 16, 2015

Expect more of this

Iran contemplates taking away the ability to commit societal suicide from the female half of the population:
Two bills being discussed in Iran will turn women into “baby-making machines” if passed, Amnesty International warned on Wednesday. The bills seek to boost Iran’s population of 77 million. Population growth in the country has been declining since the late 1980s, despite the efforts of former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to end family-planning programs. The new bills, which would limit women’s access to contraception and encourage companies to prioritize hiring men with children over other groups, would, Amnesty argues, effectively legalize gender discrimination in the workplace and result in more women seeking out dangerous, unsafe and illegal abortions.

“The bills reinforce discriminatory stereotypes of women and mark an unprecedented move by the state to interfere in people’s personal lives,” Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, Amnesty’s deputy director for the Middle East and North Africa, said in a statement Wednesday. “In their zealous quest to project an image of military might and political strength by attempting to increase birth rates, Iran’s authorities are trampling all over the fundamental rights of women—even the marital bed is not out of bounds.”
One thing that is becoming evident is that regardless of culture, women cannot be trusted to use contraception in a socially responsible manner. If it is left up to them, they will kill their societies rather than give up the pleasures of alpha-chasing. This indicates that it will not be left up to them very much longer, as societies that permit women to control their birth rates will prove to be unfit, decline demographically, and eventually expire, while those that control women will prove their fitness, remain stable or continue to grow, and expand to replace the dying societies.

Iran's leaders understand that the future belongs to those who show up for it. It is a pity that so many political and opinion leaders in the West do not. That being said, historically attempts to legislate demographic growth have not been very successful, dating back to 9 AD and the Lex Papia Poppaea in Imperial Rome.

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Anonymous Alexander March 16, 2015 4:47 PM  

Well I for one condemn amnesty for the racists that they are. We need to respect other cultures and people, and THERE IS NO PLACE IN SOCIETY for people that demand others adopt a modernist, euro-centric system of values. That's pro-imperial colonialist and part of the dustbin of history, dontcha know.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 16, 2015 4:56 PM  

I hope for the sake of Iranians this works.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 16, 2015 4:57 PM  

Somewhat ironic, one of our guests is attending the University of Missouri and was objecting to the showing of "American Sniper" on the campus, of course in the manner of the moronic left by labeling it "racist and colonialistic." Wonder what she thinks about this?

What entertainment to be had if we could get the Muzzies and the Moderns to fight, preferably to the death.

Anonymous fish March 16, 2015 5:02 PM  

RABBITS ASSEMBLE............!

Anonymous Salt March 16, 2015 5:03 PM  

So bearing children is a derogatory stereotype of women. That's how people classify that word these days, isn't it? Guess thousands of years of human reproduction isn't enough to prove its truthfulness.

Anonymous OddRob March 16, 2015 5:05 PM  

How exactly does one use contraception in a "socially responsible" manner?

Blogger Booch Paradise March 16, 2015 5:14 PM  

That being said, historically attempts to legislate demographic growth have not been very successful, dating back to 9 AD and the Lex Papia Poppaea in Imperial Rome.

Wasn't Mao Tse-tung pretty successful in that regard? I'm not sure what the other factors there might have been, but I know he had a policy goal of population growth and China's population just about doubled under him.

OpenID mattse001 March 16, 2015 5:14 PM  

If left to their own devices, most women won't have children at replacement levels.
Most will have 1 to fill their dollhouse complex. Most of those will have a 2nd as a sibling for the 1st and as a "spare."
Too few have a 3rd or more.
This is either an example of the fallacy of composition "What's good for me is okay for society," or they don't think about it at all.

Anonymous rb March 16, 2015 5:15 PM  

dangerous, unsafe and illegal abortions

...as if a medical procedure designed to destroy a human life can ever be non-dangerous or safe.

Blogger John Wright March 16, 2015 5:17 PM  

"How exactly does one use contraception in a "socially responsible" manner?"

By repealing that famous act of judicial legislation called Griswold v. Connecticut, for starters.

And then having all the presidents, prelates, princes and pop stars of the Western world repent, fast, rend their garments, and apologize on their kneels to the Pope.

Anonymous Cliff(Light)³ as Mcro.t0nal_piltdown March 16, 2015 5:27 PM  

Well what do you know - demographic reality collides with the feminine imperative in a spectacular display of twisted ideological shards and feelbad.

The underpinning socio-sexual mechanisms that shaped the current situation seems to be beyond the cognition of most women considering that they'd be happier in their historically venerable roles as mothers and wives instead of as sex toys for Alphas or faceless corporate drones. Hard questions about protracted worth and value are in order, but are usually avoided. I can sympathize, to a degree. I also expect more such clashes, as a general rule.

No less spectacular. No less inevitable.

Blogger Vox March 16, 2015 5:28 PM  

How exactly does one use contraception in a "socially responsible" manner?

At a minimum, not using it until one has had 2.1 children.

Blogger automatthew March 16, 2015 5:28 PM  

"How exactly does one use contraception in a "socially responsible" manner?"

By making it free for sluts.

Blogger automatthew March 16, 2015 5:29 PM  

And extremely expensive for all other women.

OpenID mattse001 March 16, 2015 5:29 PM  

Women also instinctively realize the conflict between their personal choices and biologic/societal necessities. The feel ZERO personal responsibility for demographic decline, but worry that society will impose its needs on them. Possibly by force.

That's why "The Handmaiden's Tale" is still widely known.

Blogger Oakes Spalding March 16, 2015 5:33 PM  

As a Catholic who is about as anti-contraception and pro-children as one can be, I'm not sure I understand your point. Both men and women to some degree control the procreation rate, as it were. And historically, if couples wanted to limit it, they didn't need modern contraception to do it. In my view, contraception is a symptom of people trying to limit children not the cause of it or even the necessary means to do it.

Blogger JartStar March 16, 2015 5:43 PM  

I can't even envision a realistic scenario outside of a grassroots, conservative, religious revival in a nation in which this trend turns around. Historically once a society steps down this path, I believe it is the end for that society, though the people might rebound many generations later, it will be a very different society.

Anonymous CJ March 16, 2015 5:44 PM  

Think of the abortions! Won't someone PLEASE think of the abortions?!?

Blogger hank.jim March 16, 2015 5:47 PM  

Should Iran be showing the way? And Obama leading from behind.

Anonymous Stickwick March 16, 2015 5:47 PM  

Oakes Spalding: And historically, if couples wanted to limit it, they didn't need modern contraception to do it.

I dunno about that. My brother and I are both here because of failed attempts by our (formerly Catholic) parents to avoid conceiving. It's not that simple.

Anonymous Axe Head March 16, 2015 5:49 PM  

When you put it the way you do, Vox, it looks like women remain like adolescents unless they are dragged kicking and screaming--by men!--into adult life.

Blogger MATT March 16, 2015 5:59 PM  

How does one have one tenth of a child?

".. repent, fast, rend their garments, and apologize on their kneels to Jesus Christ."

Fixed that for you.

Anonymous kfg March 16, 2015 5:59 PM  

"How exactly does one use contraception in a "socially responsible" manner?"

By not lacing the water supply with it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 16, 2015 6:01 PM  

The lack of child birth is a symptom of a bigger problem Iran has as a societal entity.

When your civilization is circling the drain. Women stop having children and start having sex for a living.

Iranian prostitutes have become ubiquitous through out that part of the world.

A lot of it goes back to the Revolution. It wasn't just the hard line mullahs that were revolting against the Shah. The Communists and Socialists were extremely active as well. When the hard liners seized power they concentrated most their energy on liquidating the Shah's support structure. They also shot the leading Marxists and known trouble makers of course but Marxist families were left alone so long as they publicly claimed they were loyal to the new regime.

While they are effectively repressive, they didn't successfully wipe out the mental rot of Marxism. It's still there, very much alive in Iran today.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 6:05 PM  

Most of us older guys can remember large families. Generally worked out okay. Thing is, a rebellious woman isn't fit to raise children. What the Iranians are probably already doing is scheduling some show executions by stoning. Yeah, they understand women, all right. Islam views women much more accurately than Churchianity. The Bible states plainly in many places as to the REAL nature of women. Iran isn't the joke most folks believe it is. Serious people, and we are not.

Blogger Noah B March 16, 2015 6:07 PM  

"How does one have one tenth of a child?"

Time-sharing.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 March 16, 2015 6:21 PM  

Meme: , A woman with children lacks neither employment nor a vocation; and when she knows it she neither lacks dignity nor respect.

liberating humanity one blog at a time.

Anonymous red March 16, 2015 6:27 PM  

Reproduction rate hinges on 3 things: Men having access to chaste women for wives, limited schooling for women, limited rights for women that telegraph that they are inferior. The second 2 raises the status of all men and thus increase sexual attraction for their husbands.

Blogger Josh March 16, 2015 6:31 PM  

Fixed that for you.

FTW

Blogger stareatgoatsies March 16, 2015 6:35 PM  

That being said, historically attempts to legislate demographic growth have not been very successful, dating back to 9 AD and the Lex Papia Poppaea in Imperial Rome.

They've done it before, according to an article I came across recently:

"The Population and Family Planning office closed. In its place was a campaign for every fertile Iranian woman to help build Iran a “Twenty Million Man Army.”

The legal marrying age for girls dropped from eighteen to thirteen. To encourage women to bear many children, ration cards were issued on a per capita basis, including newborns. According to Iranian demographer- historian Mohammad Jalal Abbasi-Shavazi, rationing covered not only foodstuffs, but “consumer goods like television sets, refrigerators, carpets and even cars.” Because nursing children used little of their allotment, a black market in extra food and appliances became a key source of family income.

As war with Iraq dragged on, the birth rate surpassed Khomeini’s demographic dreams. Although a million Iranian fighters, including mere boys, were martyred by inhaling poison gas, clearing land mines, or charging in human waves into artillery barrages, the 1986 census counted nearly 50 million Iranians: a doubling in two decades. By some estimates, the growth rate peaked at 4.2 percent, near the biological limits for fertile women and the highest rate of population increase the world had ever seen."

... and back again:

"The next year, 1989, Imam Khomeini died. The same prime minister who had hailed fertility rates approaching nine children per woman as God-sent now launched a new national family-planning program. Unlike China, the decision of how many was left to the parents. No law forbade them from having ten if they chose. But no one did. Instead, what happened next was the most stunning reversal of population growth in human history. Twelve years later, the Iranian minister of health would accept the United Nations Population Award for the most enlightened and successful approach to family planning the world had ever seen."

Blogger stareatgoatsies March 16, 2015 6:37 PM  

Bribery seems the most effective.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 6:49 PM  

The Iranians are a very practical bunch of folks. When they hang someone, they don't fool with a scaffold. Nope.....they take the condemned to a jobsite and use a crane. They hang the gas when they catch them. IIRC, they stone women. Wrap them in white cloth, bury them to their waist, and require the men in her family to start things off. Obama trusts these folks.

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Blogger LP 999/Eliza March 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

Amnesty Int'l is anti family.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 6:53 PM  

If there ever was a reason why feminism is only for rich white women, where's the outrage about Iran? Why hast the LGBT community rose up against Obama?

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Anonymous BigGaySteve March 16, 2015 7:03 PM  

I am for anything that keeps moslem vaginas from full auto firing off their biological weapons at civilization. At least with Iran I don't have to pay to support them unless they seek refugee status. Its productive k selected people that need to be breeding more, just like the movie Idiocracy.

"dangerous, unsafe and illegal abortions"

Paging Doctor Kermit Gosnell. He decided it was simpler and more profitable to deliver babies then kill them than to perform a legal abortion, although given the number of his adult patients that died ...

Anonymous jack March 16, 2015 7:04 PM  

@Vox: dating back to 9 AD and the Lex Papia Poppaea in Imperial Rome.

Goodness, I so love reading the blog of a person who knows history. Definitely keep up the flow.....

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 7:08 PM  

Feminists actually depend on men for protection. Public protests against Islam is dangerous. Plain fact. Acid in the face dangerous, just to start. So, they stand there and watch, violating everything they profess. Why aren't the various Gay alliances having at Obama? Have they no testicular fortitude? Don't they see what is happening?

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 7:15 PM  

My mother was a feminist back in the 50's. I don't agree with my mother and the others, but I never doubted their zeal. Those women were much more intelligent than these women today. And they were actually tough. I was really young, but I could see that. Iran as a nuclear power will be really bad. Because they really believe in the 12th Imam.

Anonymous bw March 16, 2015 7:43 PM  

It is a pity that so many political and opinion leaders in the West do not.

They don't give a f*ck...they do what they are told ... that's what slut whores do...

Anonymous Rolf March 16, 2015 7:46 PM  

Two related things.

I read an article a while back that essentially said the problem of Islamic terrorism would solve itself because of the steep decline in the birth rates in that part of the world. The demographic of the violent jihadi is a young man - no large pool of unemployed, uneducated, single young men with few prospects, no mass for a jihadi movement. Yes, it'll take time to get there, but it was inevitable (according to the article. I think there is some truth in it.

Second item: demographic stagnation versus population explosion. European population was fairly stable in the for a while middle ages, then Pope (I forget - innocent VIII or Gregory IX, maybe?) declared using birth control to be seriously illegal (capital offence, IIRC), and it lead to a major population boom, which lead to a lot of "extra" people that couldn't inherit the family farm, thus went into nunneries (if female), or monasteries / freelance soldiers / business in men, giving rise to fierce competition for money, trade, and war-booty (which could then attract and support wives). So things *can* change, it just takes the right combination of incentives.

Anonymous TBA March 16, 2015 7:48 PM  

One way, which I'm NOT advocating, to raise fertility rates would be to give each man one extra vote for each child he can prove he has fathered.

Anonymous kfg March 16, 2015 8:01 PM  

Ohhhhh, you're never going to see women getting behind that one TBA, and not for any of the usual feminist reasons.

Anonymous Rolf March 16, 2015 8:06 PM  

TBA - nope. Only *possible* exception would be if it was for children he sired by the woman he's still married to, AND the family receives ZERO public assistance.

A more effective way would be to simple do away with all forms of public assistance. Your family becomes your future support method. Don't subsidize failure, and you'll have less of it.

Anonymous Harsh March 16, 2015 8:10 PM  

At a minimum, not using it until one has had 2.1 children.

The requirement should be at least 3 for hot women.

Anonymous Corvinus March 16, 2015 8:16 PM  

I read an article a while back that essentially said the problem of Islamic terrorism would solve itself because of the steep decline in the birth rates in that part of the world.

It'll only solve itself in the long run, if Islamic countries adopt below-replacement birth rates. And at this point, none of them show any signs of doing so, with the sole exceptions of Bosnia and Albania.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 16, 2015 8:17 PM  

"Why aren't the various Gay alliances having at Obama?"
The site gaypatriot has news that is not covered on any other gay media. If the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states from last year was white it would have been covered more than Mat Shepard, but regular gay media only covered 1 victim from Philly when they didn't know who did it. The week before the 2012 election I showed gay guys the video of bath house Barry denouncing gay marriage just the day before, to a group of black clergy, all they had was cognitive dissonance. A lot of the money gay organizations get can be traced back to Soros, its hard to convince the gatekeepers of something that their jobs require them not know. The free kool aid comes with the message that you are victims of evil STR8 white church going men. Its also hard to fight the standard lie that a gay conservative is a gay guy with a hot tub bigger than most above ground pools, even after I show mine.

"was for children he sired by the woman he's still married to, AND the family receives ZERO public assistance."
No one who gets more money from the government than from any other source should be allowed to vote due to no skin in the game. Although that would include the richest man in the world Carlos Slims with his government issued monopoly.

Blogger Nate March 16, 2015 8:21 PM  

" If it is left up to them, they will kill their societies rather than give up the pleasures of alpha-chasing"

Sorry mate but I think this is missing the point in a big way. They are not alpha chasing. they are career chasing. They have been lied to since they were 2 years old... told to go get a career and to put that first and everything else will work out.

Alpha chasing is a small subset of the problem. Plenty of women out there would have been married off and popping out kids at an alarming rate if not for these lies. Instead they are off getting their third useless degree... or actively disrupting the workforce productivity in some HR department.

Blogger Nate March 16, 2015 8:22 PM  

"At a minimum, not using it until one has had 2.1 children."

That's kinda dumb. i would just as soon the 16 year old horn dogs use rubbers. They can stop using contraception when they are married.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 16, 2015 8:23 PM  

"It'll only solve itself in the long run, if Islamic countries adopt below-replacement birth rates."

Other than in the oil nations it would solve itself if the West stopped sending out so much foreign aid to moslem nations. If they could only have as many as they could support without jizya the jihadis would starve to death.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis March 16, 2015 8:24 PM  

Hasn't the irresponsible use of contraception in the west turned out to be some benefit for the right? Not condoning the practice of societal sanctioned infant murder, but there have been reports, or should I say whining screeds from the left, about how the conservatives are out breeding the left some on the order of 208 children per 100 conservative adults to the 147 children per 100 liberal adults? Granted that data is from the 204 GSS so it is over ten years old.

Blogger Crude March 16, 2015 8:26 PM  

The bills reinforce discriminatory stereotypes of women and mark an unprecedented move by the state to interfere in people’s personal lives

It is a literal theocracy. It is Iran. There is plenty of precedent.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 8:36 PM  

BigGaySteve! I understand that they aren't about to see what gets in their pocketbook, but don't they at least worry about the folks getting killed? Yeah, ridiculous question. I'm acquainted some of the local storekeepers that are Moslem. Well educated, sure, but they're not Americans. Steve, they would hang you in a heartbeat. You see, the Imam of the Mosque interpets the Koran. If he's hardcore, so is the Mosque. There's a tactic called Taqiyya, that allows a moslem to lie to advance the interests of Islam. You might want to learn a bit about these folks. I've been buying spices from them for a long time.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld March 16, 2015 8:46 PM  

''I read an article a while back that essentially said the problem of Islamic terrorism would solve itself because of the steep decline in the birth rates in that part of the world.''

Actually that will not be the case. If one google's the pdf of Eric Kaufmann's work "Shall the religious inherit the earth" what we are actually going to get is an increased demographic radicalization of Islam as Muslims become more polarized as a result of the challenge of modernity with many more of them becoming atheists as well as fundamentalist. Terrorism and security threats will only increase as more moderate sufi muslims become extinct and as urbanization causes folk Islam to compete with secularism. Likewise Muslim fundamentalists will be having the most children while Atheist converts embracing leftism will have below replacement rates.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 16, 2015 8:50 PM  

Cogitans Iuvenis: "...there have been reports, or should I say whining screeds from the left, about how the conservatives are out breeding the left some on the order of 208 children per 100 conservative adults to the 147 children per 100 liberal adults?"

Mass immigration kills. White women cannot out-breed the third world pouring through open borders.

However, differential fertility affected by culture (which would include attitudes to abortion) does contribute to racial polarization as the old white left withers away and is replaced by imported non-whites.

Blogger ray March 16, 2015 9:01 PM  

If AI, the UN, or Emily's List is for it, I'm against it.



Iran's proposed measure illustrates how deeply feminized and westernized the nation already is, at the practical level of sexual politics and birth rates. It's an exact reversal of American/Western policy the past half-century (CRA 1963/4) -- incremental affirmative action for 'minorities', primarily white women. Instead Iran proposes AA for married men.


Iran is a harsh land, not a sprawling babylon like the U.S. Iran can't long afford the sterile princessification so beloved to America. It's also a clever recruiting move, as the measure would appeal to anglosphere citizens disgusted with their own nations and cultures. Young people, easily swayed by fervency, looking for simple answers.

Anonymous Northy March 16, 2015 9:09 PM  

If the birth rate in Iran is so low, maybe they can import some negros...? I mean, they are just across the sea... Iranians aren't raycissss! now, are they?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 16, 2015 9:16 PM  

Our host is as usual correct but I actually side with the leftists on this one, women and men in Iran (and the West as well) don't like the societies they are living in and clearly don't have the means to change them or even the knowledge of what to change them to.

Not having children than is simply passive resistance. In many cases its a good way to improve the standard of living as well by reducing crowding in massively overcrowded nations.

The social problem here isn't so much small families but immigration (in the West not Iran or Japan ) and the elite who think they are entitled to everyone else' progeny to sustain the society that benefits them but not average folks there.

And its not all women, a great many men have to few material resources for family, access to a worthwhile wife or any of the things they need. If they want babies the so called leaders had better find a way to keep food on peoples table instead of the high levels of abject poverty in Iran and the nasty girding inequality in the West and Japan. And yes people in the developed world have food and TV's and such and few of them have absolute poverty anyone with a low time preference and triple digit IQ doesn't want to raise kids in relative poverty , even in a homogeneous community

I remind folks that 21% of the population of Iran makes less than $11 US a day and while good are cheaper, this is still absolute poverty for 1/5 of the population and serious struggle for who knows how many . They shouldn't be having children and mostly can't anyway,

The West isn't as bad off but 40 million people collect EBT more everyday and who knows how many struggle to make ends meet. This won't matter for the lower IQ high time preference set but its dysgenic. Good babies aren't free and good parents won't have them in poverty.

If the West reverses mass immigration and fix the employment and cultural issues the problem will self correct anyway. I've looked at White birth rates across nations and they are higher than the economy would allow for (remember near to one half of all Europeans 15-29 lack sufficient funds and income for family formation,) so if you remove the cultural masochism and cultural Marxism which I'd guess costs about 1 birth per 2 couples and fix the economy birth rates should easily reach replacement or be higher.

This however is amazingly hard and it may be that the higher IQ/Low Time preference peoples in modern societies have reached carrying capacity, not physical but social. simply the combination of social customs and technology simply makes our current population to high too support and it is naturally declining to its natural level.

of course this natural level might not be enough to actually keep the Low IQ types from taking over but assuming we could and we allowed little to know immigration, there is no real downside to a much less populated country. A yes with the population of say 100 million would be a terrific place to live with ample cheap land even in areas with pleasant climates

However as population decline terrifies rulers and its much cheaper and easier for the elite to try an force people to do what they want given the evil natures of most of them, its what they will do.

That forced natalism can backfire though as it created the Romanian revolution and Iran is not immune as has been seem to revolutionary pressures either. We shall see,

Also when the current situation implodes as it will, this will have interesting effects, My guess is that In the short to medium term, there will be massive population decline but after things get fixed, women and men will come to a new arrangement and babies will be a part of that.

That might be a while off though, to quote Adam Smith there is a lot of ruin in a nation

Blogger Retrenched March 16, 2015 9:21 PM  

Societies that accept human nature and work with it will always prevail over those which deny it or try to fight it.

Blogger Retrenched March 16, 2015 9:21 PM  

Societies that accept human nature and work with it will always prevail over those which deny it or try to fight it.

Anonymous TroperA March 16, 2015 9:48 PM  

Hasn't the irresponsible use of contraception in the west turned out to be some benefit for the right?

Doesn't matter how many Christian babies you pump out. Once they are embraced by the tentacled leviathan of the public school system/consumerist mass media, they're in thrall to the State.

Conservative Parents: "Duty, forbearance and hard work will one day reward you with success. (although it's not guaranteed...)

The State/Media: "Free love! Free sex! Free stuff!"


Who do YOU think the kids are going to listen to?

Anonymous Joe March 16, 2015 9:55 PM  

We're learning that it's different when the imperialists are liberals.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus March 16, 2015 10:15 PM  

Anonymous: "To try and control women is the opposite of fitness. It is a characteristic you only see in weak and powerless men."

No. Biologically effective groups safeguard their women, denying alien and hostile males access to them, while gaining access to the women if their enemies.

Anonymous BigGaySteve March 16, 2015 10:28 PM  

Plump pleasant plumber- "Steve, they would hang you in a heartbeat."

They are not going to hang me, they are going to try to hang me which is an entirely different thing, also if they hear my ex-boyfriends talk they might assume someone else already hung me. I live in a castle law state now and their bodies would have bacon bits spilled over them. We send Yoder's canned bacon along with the related story of General Blackjack Pershing in Any Soldier Care Packages.

My knowledge of Taqiyya, kitman, jizya, diminitude, al-hijra, & bacha-bazi is why I have said if I had to choose I would rather have David Duke the leader of the kkk who thinks gays are victims of joooo brainwashing, than any "good moslem" as a neighbor. That's called the far lesser of 2 evils. That runs counter to the message every Soros paid gay gatekeeper of information puts out. The gays over at gay patriot (which also has anouther Steve on it, who used to live with me & had a grandfather who escaped the genocide of Armenian Christians by moslems) are also aware of the savage moslem threat but most conservative gays have never been on Soros' payroll.

There where gays marching with the rainbow flag in the EDL march in Londonistan for the UK soldier beheaded in broad daylight, but sharia patrols in London draw gay blood & can't be obfuscated. In the US only gaypatriot covered that the packed gay bar in Seattle last year was torched by a 3rd world savage moslem, while there are probably many gays in Seattle that think it was a white church going Christian Tea Party member. Pamela Geller put the message of how moslems treat gays on San Francisco busses, which caused queens to react worse than when the San Fran Gate published the demographics of bashers.

Its already been posted here that both the left and moslems give 3 choices 1Convert, 2die, 3 pay high taxes. Its just another case of believing they will be the next commissar but not the body in the ditch. Gay Jews fear Bibi more than they do savage moslems.

Anonymous dc red dogs March 16, 2015 10:33 PM  

Self respecting men do not marry women who believe in contraception, as a general rule. Therefore, a society needs a whole lot of men who do not respect themselves to go downhill. Since the ayatollah dude bases his call against contraception on worldly concerns, he is doomed to fail. That being said, many posters here - the majority of modern Southern Baptists, almost all the uninformed average Catholics, 98 or so out of a 100 Mormons, 98 or so out of a 100 North American reform and conservative Jews, 100 out of 100 of the non-denominational Bible readers who skip around for the self-affirming parts, not to mention the various libertarians, pua libertines, and the random mainline Church people - all believe that in good conscience a Christian man and women can comfortably determine when and where they can defy God and decide not to procreate. As John Wright more or less said, let us get on our knees and thank the Lord for those who teach what the Bible said - he only mentioned the Pope (every single one of whom, for all his faults, has always said contraception is always and everywhere wrong - I wish the Dallas Bible Seminary guys could make the same claim), but there are thousands of other witnesses, most not quite so well known, who will be glad to tell you that the Hindus and the Buddhists and the Moslems and the reform Jews and the reform Christians are all ignorant of the Word of God when they say that God does not really care when his children insult him through their life-defying love of what they call contraception and what God calls by a Hebrew word known only to the Lord and his prophets and which signifies " just another boring and sad form of ancient Disobedience." Think I'm wrong? Go to the Bible, find the names of one single contracepting couple in all the multitudinous names and genealogies mentioned. If you find such a couple, then we can start arguing, if you don't find such a couple, then it is God, not me, you have to argue with. Fortunately, I am not a preacher man - I would be poor if I had to preach this truth to any group of people in today's world.

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Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis March 16, 2015 10:42 PM  

Doesn't matter how many Christian babies you pump out. Once they are embraced by the tentacled leviathan of the public school system/consumerist mass media, they're in thrall to the State.

Conservative Parents: "Duty, forbearance and hard work will one day reward you with success. (although it's not guaranteed...)

The State/Media: "Free love! Free sex! Free stuff!"

Who do YOU think the kids are going to listen to?


That is assuming that conservatives are going to continue sending their children to public school which the current trends show declining. From 1999 to 2007 private/home school 11.7% to 13.3%

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_206.20.asp

I haven't found any NCES reports for 2014, and DoE says that Home schooling was 3.4% in 2001 and private school enrollment is either steady or growing depending on the source. Small growth but growth nonetheless and I imagine it will only accelerate. It also assumes that conservative minded parents that can't afford private school, nor have the resources or time for homeschooling, aren't proactively educating their children outside of normal school hours.

And it wasn't so long ago that long ago....I listened to my parents more than my teachers; it also helped that my parents are both far smarter than the average teacher. I imagine that most kids in stable families, like most conservative families I wager, probably have the same attitude.

There is also evidence, very loosely based, that the politics of your parents has greater determination on a child's future politics to a degree so long as they weren't overly authoritarian or permissive.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber March 16, 2015 10:53 PM  

BigGaySteve! ISIL is Islam. The west is being conditioned to fear. Beheading is essentially a terror tactic. Been around at least since the Assyrians. There are no moderate moslems. That ain't how Islam rolls. Glad to see you understand their tactics.

Anonymous George of the Jungle March 16, 2015 11:42 PM  

re: Ray...

A typical Marxist analysis: It all depends on economics, and let's throw inequality in there too.

My God, why does anyone still peddle such banal trash. Reality has proven this Marxist meme wrong so many times, it is impossible to conclude anything but that a sophomoric/useful idiot/troll is still trying to push it down people's throats, no matter how reasonable they may attempt to couch it.

Please just stop already, you're fooling no one.

Anonymous kh123 March 17, 2015 12:29 AM  

Iranians can't have physics; Iranians can't have children.

It's almost as if Newsweek is unaware of a country called France.

Anonymous map March 17, 2015 1:07 AM  

Just split the difference. Free abortions and contraceptives for Democrat women. Very expensive abortions and contraceptives for Conservative women.

Anonymous Thomas Malthus March 17, 2015 1:26 AM  

WHITE females in their childbearing prime ought to be shamed, nay coerced, into abandoning their own hopes, dreams, and aspirations and procreating with a God-fearing man! I humbly argue that social pressure has generally NOT produced the desired results; only legislation modeled after “Mother Russia” and "Muzzie Iran" will induce WHITE women to birth and raise children. Socialist medicine to cure those baby blues--direct cash payments to females for every child popped out like popcorn and accommodating work schedules to account for those udderly ridiculous late night feeding frenzies!

Even if young men and women are ill-prepared intellectually or financially to care for them (freedom be damned!), and despite the wolf of Cultural Marxism that breathes down the neck of innocent Robby or Libby, every single member of the Christian libertarian intelligentsia or Greek Orthodox Brigade is obligated to hit the lecture circuit and step onto the soapbox, with bullhorn in tow, to proudly advertise to the Roissy’s and feminazi’s of the world that their outright refusal to settle down and raise WHITE children is a recipe for demographic homicide.

Blogger Anthony March 17, 2015 3:16 AM  

Anonymous at 9:58:

To try and control women is the opposite of fitness. It is a characteristic you only see in weak and powerless men.

Do or do not. There is no try.

Anonymous Discard March 17, 2015 4:24 AM  

The suitable daughters of White advocates of affirmative action and 3rd World immigration should be compelled to bear the children of White racists and xenophobes. The Left has imported a new people, so let the Right build one using American parts and labor.

Anonymous bohm March 17, 2015 6:00 AM  

You know where you when VD comes out in favour of draconian state intervention dreamt up by a bunch of mad mullahs.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 17, 2015 6:20 AM  

bohm March 17, 2015 6:00 AM

You know where you when VD comes out in favour of draconian state intervention dreamt up by a bunch of mad mullahs.


Vox isn't "in favour" of it - he's a Libertarian. In fact he expects it to fail.

Anonymous zen0 March 17, 2015 6:29 AM  

Goldman/Spengler attributes declining birthrates in muzie lands to the rise of female literacy

OpenID agalltyr March 17, 2015 6:33 AM  

If women want birth control, maybe they should learn to make it themselves. It seems they should be free to do so, just as they are free to choose not to have sex at all. That's what I would call real "empowerment", not depending on a big pharmaceutical company to solve all their problems.

OpenID genericviews March 17, 2015 8:36 AM  

Washington wasn't the first president, so it is a false fact. John Hanson was first. Then there were 7 more after him before Washington.

OpenID genericviews March 17, 2015 8:38 AM  

Sorry. Wrong post.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 17, 2015 10:08 AM  

Well, Science can't be wrong:

These powerful lineages fixed upon a solution which gorillas had long ago arrived at: treat females as chattel and defend them as one would property.

The death and destruction of the female-centric societies upon the arrival of the Indo-Europeans indicates where we are headed.

Blogger Marissa March 17, 2015 10:27 AM  

There is a famous quote, maybe by Benjamin Disraeli, that goes something like: woman was given so much power in the sexual realm that she is rightly limited from the political realm. I know someone smarter than me knows this one.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco March 17, 2015 12:42 PM  

"Goldman/Spengler attributes declining birthrates in muzie lands to the rise of female literacy."

Yes:

"Empirical work indicating that providing schooling for women and girls will address these problems includes study after study showing that educated women have fewer children, are wealthier and are less likely to accept fundamentalist extremism. If we want a safer world, we should consider the utility of spending dollars on educating young people as an alternative to troops and weapons."

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco March 17, 2015 12:49 PM  

Perhaps Iran should encourage its Universities to keep their student bodies male-only.

1. Sterilizing the Fittest.

2. Women's Colleges and Race Extinction.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper March 17, 2015 2:20 PM  

To TroperA's point, you are correct about the differing values with a caveat. Hard work is not inherently a good value when it largely concentrates wealth in the hands of a few people. If I am not going to succeed in a rigged game, I'm better off using the machine of state to enforce some degree of material equality. And yes Heinlein was correct, the game is always rigged however to use a casino metaphor, if the slots are too tight or the dealers too good best play elsewhere or another game. Don't get me wrong , I know you can't enforce social equality and you shouldn't even try but you can force work sharing, control trade and immigration have socialized medicine and take a lot of steps to ensure most people, even useless ones have some degree of the basics.

Simply, in addition to Cultural Marxism we are all complaining about the current population crisis has a heavy economic aspect that we don't want to address, take this article from the economist for example ( http://www.economist.com/node/21528614 ) Before the financial crisis Spanish unemployment, a perennial problem, was pushed down by credit-fuelled growth and a prolonged construction boom: in 2007 it was just 8%. Today it is 21.2%, and among the young a staggering 46.2%.

Young is usually defined 15-29 BtW this means almost half of all Spanish youth or peak reproductive age have no jobs.

How on Earth are they supposed to support a family? I've yet to hear a single person address this, so called Conservatives start panicking and liberals, while they at least have some ideas, apparently are stuck on either full Marxism or worse cultural Marxism.And no in case anyone asks no amount of neo-liberal accommodating corporations will change that, corporations exists to make a profit and wages hurt that. If they could fire everyone and still somehow keep making money, they would. Charlies Stross described our corporate state as an alien occupation and while its poetic, I think the man has a point. Hard work for the benefit of self or family is good, for the state or corporate machine, pathology.


The idea here is that yes, some folks are better than others, some folks deserve more but it must be earned and the upper classes these days are more parasitic than all but most dysgenic lower classes, The White trash working at Wal-Mart and getting EBT and WIC is at least producing something unlike most of the FIRE money men and frankly in terms of societal harm, I'll take 5 single moms over most of the FIRE lot. How we get back to a working system involves the homogeneity and traditional gender roles everybody here is talking about is hard but it also means a new economic model. .

You are not going to get a magic religious revival Christian or Pagan that causes quality people to have children when they have no resources. , it will simply encourage dysgenic breeding or force population to stabilize at a much lower level of lower IQ, High Time preference non Christian religious ideologues anyway, dumber and smaller is great for the elite till the number of the elite get too small to sustain any kind of society than comes the Ice Weasels err, I mean collapse and barbarians and the whole thing takes a few thousand more years to rebuild.

If society is to make it, we must deal with the economic issues of technology and urbanization sooner not later before increases in robotics and possibly power generation (c.f Lockheed's fusion breakthrough) render too much labor obsolete and the natural rid of the horsemen drops population massively. 1.5 forever is not a model for success any more than mass Islamic migration or mass Mexican migration is .

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco March 17, 2015 9:05 PM  

The Education of Women and its Effects.

Anonymous Rhys March 17, 2015 10:27 PM  

@ Big Gay Steve: You should collect all the statistics on gay deaths and bashings in America and workout the race and religion of the perpetrators. I'm sure the result would make any liberal's head explode.

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